Topic: FCC14 Cams 103 Dyno (Read 9243 times)

hd-dude · « **on:** January 14, 2007, 06:55:46 PM »

Posting this Dyno sheet for CVOJOE I did his cam swap to the FCC14 Gear drive cams, Delkron Billet Cam plate, Fueling lifters and oil pump. SE pushrods. Also added Billet pushrod tubes and lifter blocks.

He already had a Ness Big Sucker, Rineharts, and the Race Tuner.

Numbers are the best I've seen from a 103 with stock heads and pistons. Tq kicks in at 2800 and pulls hard to 4k.

110tHunDer · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2007, 07:27:15 PM »

NICE!!!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

Fatboy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2007, 09:35:17 PM »

Dude,

What does a set up like this cost? And who mapped the RT?

Fatboy

hd-dude · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2007, 11:34:30 PM »

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Dude,

What does a set up like this cost? And who mapped the RT?

Fatboy

CVOJOE brought all the parts to me, I know he scored a deal on the cam plate on EBay. Not sure what he paid for all the rest. The FCC cams, Gear kit, & Bearings runs about $800 if memory serves me right. Check with Brad a Freedom Cycles to be sure.

The RT was mapped by Bob @ RC Cycles in Hayward, CA

CVOJOE · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2007, 02:02:10 AM »

With the CVO group discount, I got the Freedom cam kit for $710, minus the pushrods and tubes, since I already had some SE adjustable pushrods, etc. Got the kit last June sometime, and as Jim said Brad swapped it out for the updated version cams. Great service.

I believe their complete kit now lists for $900, without the discounts and you can check it out here: http://www.freedomcyclereno.com/eshopprod_cat_2852-25994_product_346352.YB14SEC_Gear_Drive_Cam_Kit.htm

I managed to get the Feuling Oil Pump/Lifter kit from CycleSpot for $365 and the Delkron cam support plate for about $250 on ebay. Next is the outer main shaft bearing support install to help hold it together now, it's due in this week sometime.

Joe

Twolanerider · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2007, 11:07:20 AM »

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With the CVO group discount, I got the Freedom cam kit for $710, minus the pushrods and tubes, since I already had some SE adjustable pushrods, etc. Got the kit last June sometime, and as Jim said Brad swapped it out for the updated version cams. Great service.

I believe their complete kit now lists for $900, without the discounts and you can check it out here: http://www.freedomcyclereno.com/eshopprod_cat_2852-25994_product_346352.YB14SEC_Gear_Drive_Cam_Kit.htm

I managed to get the Feuling Oil Pump/Lifter kit from CycleSpot for $365 and the Delkron cam support plate for about $250 on ebay. Next is the outer main shaft bearing support install to help hold it together now, it's due in this week sometime.

Joe

Joe, was there a particular reason other than the good deal in eBay score that took you to the Delkron plate rather than the Feuling plate to go along with the Feuling pump and lifters? I've actually got the Feuling plate. Wouldn't have paid full cost for one though and would have instead just stayed with the stock part had that been the only option. I was lucky enough to score a Feuling plate on eBay though. Got it for about $125.00 I think mostly because the seller misspelled Feuling and apparently no one but me saw the auction.

If you're doing that GP outer bearing support for the crank you're going to like it a lot when you get it in hand. One of those pieces that just by it's machining you know is sweet. It will work with the HD automatic chain tensioner if you're thinking about doing that while you're in there.

ultrafxr · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2007, 11:15:23 AM »

VERY impressive numbers cvojoe. And that afr line is flat as a pancake. Your dyno guy know what he's doing for sure.

CVOJOE · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2007, 12:59:17 PM »

[highlight]Joe, was there a particular reason other than the good deal in eBay score that took you to the Delkron plate rather than the Feuling plate to go along with the Feuling pump and lifters[/highlight]?

Hey Don,
No reason except the Delkron was available and price was right. I think it was the thing to do with the mods, the oil pressure is fantastic and one less thing to worry about. The inner tensioner was pretty much shot at 12K and the outer was OK, Jim found some scoring in the oil pump but said it was still servicable. Both Feuling and Delkron were rated good from all that I read, so can't say one way or another which was best. Yeah, lots of people have trouble with their spelling. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Already have the auto-chain tensioner installed; did that with the bling-chrome outer primary. So next is the GP bearing support brace. The guy that designed it(Ron) also runs the place where I got the dyno done, and he says that they see a lot of 88" with failed bearings and very few mods done. Better safe than sorry.

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Joe

hd-dude · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2007, 01:07:42 PM »

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WaSEEG · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2007, 10:25:23 AM »

Sweeeet!!
Wish I would have waited.

Dan

JCZ · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2007, 01:09:48 PM »

Some great numbers coming from a 103" considering no head work. Jim did you well. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

JCZ · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2007, 01:55:26 PM »

I'm surprised that there hasn't been more comments on this cam set up with these HP and TQ numbers on a 103" with no head work......... [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

HUBBARD · « **Reply #12 on:** January 18, 2007, 03:54:49 PM »

Those are some impressive 103 Numbers. If the Heads and Pistons are indeed, Stock, it's the best I have seen. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] Later--HUBBARD

CVOJOE · « **Reply #13 on:** January 18, 2007, 06:59:44 PM »

Carl,
Heads and pistons are stock 103"; and heads have never been off the engine.
A great improvement in the torque band with the cams and the oil pressure with the feuling pump & lifters is great. Hard to put a price tag on improvements, but the added grin factor is priceless.

Joe

Twolanerider · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2007, 07:07:42 PM »

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I'm surprised that there hasn't been more comments on this

Like what?

HUBBARD · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2007, 08:00:04 PM »

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Carl,
[highlight]Heads and pistons are stock 103"; and heads have never been off the engine[/highlight].
A great improvement in the torque band with the cams and the oil pressure with the feuling pump & lifters is great. Hard to put a price tag on improvements, [highlight]but the added grin factor is priceless.[/highlight]

Joe

That's amazing, Joe! Are the spec's on those Cams posted? Where? If not, would you mind posting them? I can relate to the grin factor!

Sometimes I get to grinnin' so much, it takes a "Oh Chit!", factor to make me whoa-up!

You know, like comin' up on a 4-way, Stop Sign Intersection, at about 130 MPH. [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] Later--HUBBARD

CVOJOE · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2007, 08:43:04 PM »

Carl,
Brad (Freedom Cycles) won't publish the specs and I'd sure like to see them as well.
Keeping it from the competition is the reason. Only thing I got info wise was that they changed the exhaust side of the cams a bit from the FCC9 (early version). I suppose they'll come out with the specs eventually and we'll all know.

Roll on!
Joe

Twolanerider · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2007, 09:42:12 PM »

Damn Joe, those are some sweet numbers for cams without any head work or other stuff going on (ok, that about covers that part). The printout makes it look likes you feel plenty in early and you keep the best part during the pass-a-truck RPMs. Does if feel as good as the printout looks?

Othewise notice any other differences? Gear set noisy or quiet enough? How about clearance for the cams? Do these fit ok or require a bit of work?

Glad you seemed pleased with the work. That's the most important part of the entire thing after all. Have fun.

JCZ · « **Reply #18 on:** January 19, 2007, 12:08:19 AM »

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Carl,
Brad (Freedom Cycles) won't publish the specs and I'd sure like to see them as well.
Keeping it from the competition is the reason. Only thing I got info wise was that they changed the exhaust side of the cams a bit from the FCC9 (early version). I suppose they'll come out with the specs eventually and we'll all know.

Roll on!
Joe

Brad calls it "educating the competition". He's pretty adament about not disclosing the proprietary information.

HUBBARD · « **Reply #19 on:** January 19, 2007, 11:48:30 AM »

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Brad calls it "educating the competition". He's pretty adament about not disclosing the proprietary information.

I understand. Nobody copies a failure, right?

Later--HUBBARD

Mikey · « **Reply #20 on:** January 19, 2007, 11:58:29 AM »

Hello,
This has convinced me that I have to have the cam kit. Why would I need the billet cam plate and oil pump etc.? I have 24K and original tensioners.
Mikey

Fired00d · « **Reply #21 on:** January 19, 2007, 12:47:03 PM »

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Hello,
This has convinced me that I have to have the cam kit. Why would I need the billet cam plate and oil pump etc.? I have 24K and original tensioners.
Mikey

If you are not going to do the upgrade yourself better to do the oil pump at this time as bike will be tore down and it easy to get to, and save some money on labor. You mention you have 24k and original tensioners are you considering staying w/chain driven cams? The number one reason for me upgrading was to get rid of the potential weak link w/the cam chain tensioners. The added benefit of more HP/TQ was secondary on my upgrades. Another benefit to the oil pump upgrade was it added more pressure/volume at idle. Some have had this benefit of added pressure/volume by using the Zippers Bypass Oil Shim or similar product.

I wasn't doing the install myself and didn't want to have everything put back together to find out the tensioners were worn out. Also when the tensioners wear out chunks of the plastic can get caught up in the oil pump and cause failures.

[smiley=pumpkin.gif]
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
[smiley=fireman.gif]

Twolanerider · « **Reply #22 on:** January 19, 2007, 06:17:17 PM »

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Hello,
This has convinced me that I have to have the cam kit. Why would I need the billet cam plate and oil pump etc.? I have 24K and original tensioners.
Mikey

Mike, if you want to shoot the chit over this give me a call. We'll knock back a telephone cold one and cover the bases.

CVOJOE · « **Reply #23 on:** January 22, 2007, 02:39:14 AM »

Mike,
I definitely recommend going ahead with the Feuling oil pump & lifters along with the gear driven cams. The plate is more of an option, but if you shop around they can be had for less than list prices. At 24K, you are probably close to seeing the end of the tensioners and maybe some oil pump damage if they're worn beyond limits. At 12K+, the inside tensioner was bad and the oil pump had some scoring on mine. I see no advantage to Delkron over Feuling cam support plate, as far as brands go.

Don, to answer your question yes it's really got so much more torque where it's needed, and while there is some new mechanical noise, it's not unwelcome and grows on you. Doesn't sound like a Chevy Z-28 winding up, like I've heard on some older gear driven installations. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

Good luck!!
Joe

Tros · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2007, 12:15:28 PM »

Threads like this one are why I joined. Keep'em comming.

Mikey · « **Reply #25 on:** February 10, 2007, 01:10:31 PM »

Tros,
Since asking the question I took apart my bike. All the information these guys gave me was dead on. The tensioners were almost gone the oil pump was scored and the new parts are on the way!
Mike

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Tros