Topic: 06 SEVrod PCIII Dyno Tune (Read 20661 times)

Midnight Rider · « **on:** February 10, 2007, 06:29:34 PM »

As some of you know, I got the 06 SEVrod last July, and before delivery had the SE Muffs installed, K&N, and ECM Flash for that set-up. Well, after 1100 miles, the bike still had a stumble in the 2500 to 4K range...like a miss. Beyond 4K, it ran fine, though it still felt a bit "flat" at times at steady RPM. Soooo...had a bolt on the heat shield that was stipped from the factory, and one of the Chrome Muffler Clamps that came on the bike was discoloured and pitted. Took it in to have that done, and the dealer was running a special on pipes, A/C and PCIII, with a free dyno tune with the purchase of all three. Since I had purchased the other two items when the bike was new, and paid for the flash that wasn't working properly, they agreed to do the PCIII and dyno for the cost of the PCIII.

Bike was running waaaaay too rich with the flash, so that is what was causing the stumbling, as you can see. No dramatic improvment in HP/TQ, but drivability is MUCH improved, and the A/F is about as close as it can get. The guy spent 5 hours tuning the bike, trying various mixes, and this was as good as it gets with the pipes I have. I am satisfied with the result...I could get more with a different exhaust, but I like the looks of the SE Muffs (like the stock pipes), and it's got a nice, throaty sound like a small block Chevy.

Here's the chart...

Gettinold · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2007, 12:00:26 AM »

TERRY MINES IS THE SAME WAY IN THE 3-4K RANGE. VERY RICH AND USES TOO MUCH FUEL. GOOD ON THE TOP END. I NEED TO GO TO THE DYNO TOO WHEN TIME PERMITS.

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2007, 11:08:58 AM »

Quote from: Gettinold on February 11, 2007, 12:00:26 AM

TERRY MINES IS THE SAME WAY IN THE 3-4K RANGE. VERY RICH AND USES TOO MUCH FUEL. GOOD ON THE TOP END. I NEED TO GO TO THE DYNO TOO WHEN TIME PERMITS.

Dave...did you get the flash or do you have a PCIII or SERT? Actually, I was very surprised that the flash made the bike run so rich. The tune made the bike run SOOO much smoother. It was cold up here yesterday, so all I did was ride it from the dealer home (about 6 miles) but I could tell a difference when just cruising. These bikes are so fast, it's scarey!! Fun to ride though!!

If you have he PCIII, I will get my MAP and send it to you...on our water cooled engines, it should be really close for your bike too, though I don't know what kind of pipes you are running.

Jock · « **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2007, 09:20:48 PM »

Quote from: TCnBham on February 10, 2007, 06:29:34 PM

As some of you know, I got the 06 SEVrod last July, and before delivery had the SE Muffs installed, K&N, and ECM Flash for that set-up. Well, after 1100 miles, the bike still had a stumble in the 2500 to 4K range...like a miss. Beyond 4K, it ran fine, though it still felt a bit "flat" at times at steady RPM. Soooo...had a bolt on the heat shield that was stipped from the factory, and one of the Chrome Muffler Clamps that came on the bike was discoloured and pitted. Took it in to have that done, and the dealer was running a special on pipes, A/C and PCIII, with a free dyno tune with the purchase of all three. Since I had purchased the other two items when the bike was new, and paid for the flash that wasn't working properly, they agreed to do the PCIII and dyno for the cost of the PCIII.

Bike was running waaaaay too rich with the flash, so that is what was causing the stumbling, as you can see. No dramatic improvment in HP/TQ, but drivability is MUCH improved, and the A/F is about as close as it can get. The guy spent 5 hours tuning the bike, trying various mixes, and this was as good as it gets with the pipes I have. I am satisfied with the result...I could get more with a different exhaust, but I like the looks of the SE Muffs (like the stock pipes), and it's got a nice, throaty sound like a small block Chevy.

Here's the chart...

Ditto on the flash...I plan upon having Tiley's (HUBBARD's along with others shop) address this this month if I can swing it.

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #4 on:** February 14, 2007, 12:32:20 PM »

Josh, please report on your results when you get this done. The numbers on the SEVrod are hard to find...I've looked on the Vrod forum too.

Best I can come up with is HD says the SE model has 10% (approx) more HP than the 1130 motor. If that's correct, then HP at the crank would be about 125 +or- a tad.

I don't remember if you've got the 05 or 06 model, so I'd really like to see what you end up with. I know a better pipe would give more, but my bike's running good, and sounds good too, so I'm happy. I know Jorge has an ongoing project with his new X bike, which is also the 1250 motor, but he's going to put a different pipe on it, so we'll get to hear about his as well.

109 HP and 75TQ is not bad out of a 1250CC engine though...

TheVgirl · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:58:08 PM »

Quote from: TCnBham on February 14, 2007, 12:32:20 PM

109 HP and 75TQ is not bad out of a 1250CC engine though...

I'll see if I can find my dyno from John Golden and post it. I couldn't find anyone willing to share their numbers on the Vrod forums either. When someone asked me for mine, they said, "Yeah, mine are real close."

I also had someone at a fund-raiser asked if I was interested in a custom map and when I told them that I had already had one done, he asked if they could use my bike on their dyno to compare to another Vrod that he was doing, and he'd tell me how good the guy was and how good the map was. Well, he did a chart with both our bikes and mine surpassed his. I'll see if I can find it too and post both.

But if I remember correctly, my numbers from the Rolling Thunder dyno somewhere. I wonder if they save them. I might see if John's son can email them to me. The first time I rode it to the dyno, I thought the bike stalled. I told John that and he was very familiar with it and also corrected "the dip" caused by using a Thunderheader. I have no complaints!

TheVgirl · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:01:33 PM »

Mine is an 05 instead of 06, but here's the thread...
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php/topic,6339.0.html

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:13:05 PM »

Quote from: TheVgirl on February 16, 2007, 08:01:33 PM

Mine is an 05 instead of 06, but here's the thread...
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php/topic,6339.0.html

Very good numbers, V...John is no doubt the best around on the PCIII. Your Thunderheader helps a lot in that regard too. One of the things I liked about my V was the way the pipes blend with the lines of the bike, so I opted to stick with that "look". No doubt I could get a lot better performance if I were willing to go to some kind of 2 into 1 exhaust. It will be interesting to see what Jorge comes up with since he is installing the new V&H system for the vrod he just got. He's doing major surgery on the bike right now, so it will probably be next month before we know.

amigo Jorge · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2007, 05:17:39 PM »

Quote from: TCnBham on February 16, 2007, 08:13:05 PM

Very good numbers, V...John is no doubt the best around on the PCIII. Your Thunderheader helps a lot in that regard too. One of the things I liked about my V was the way the pipes blend with the lines of the bike, so I opted to stick with that "look". No doubt I could get a lot better performance if I were willing to go to some kind of 2 into 1 exhaust. It will be interesting to see what Jorge comes up with since he is installing the new V&H system for the vrod he just got. He's doing major surgery on the bike right now, so it will probably be next month before we know.

Amigo Terry.......The V&H that I wanted are not still available. Then I went to the Supertrapp and athe end when I had the exhaust in my hands they didn't fit the model of my bike so I had to return it. Talking with the VROD specialist technician at Peterson he recommended to go with the D&D Fat Cat so I ordered them ....I haven't received them yet. I still have the bike in the process to be transformed in something nice....I believe that I will start putting the pieces together next week....and maybe it will be ready for Daytona.........

The pic shows your bike with the D&D exhaust......I got already the K&N air filter and the PCIII.......let's see what happen.....

Jorge

amigo Jorge · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2007, 05:20:31 PM »

At this moment this bike is ^&*(%$#

amigo Jorge · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2007, 05:21:48 PM »

Another one............

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2007, 05:52:51 PM »

Jorge...can't wait to see the finished product, my friend. That's a nice pipe you picked and I'm sure will give you some good numbers!!

Wish we could join you guys in Daytona, but we would only be able to ride down Friday and would have to return Sunday or Monday at the latest...hardly worth the trip.

hard10 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2007, 06:08:51 PM »

Jeorge, I'll call after dinner. Maybe can can ride tomorrow? AJ

07X · « **Reply #13 on:** February 18, 2007, 05:51:40 AM »

I tuned mine on a dyno w the SERT.I'm running quiet V-Mods and a K&N.I have close to 115hp w 82ftlbs of torque.We saw some higher #'s but this is where it runs best for all around riding.
I'd like to know how in the hell it takes a person 5 hrs to tune a stock EFI engine.
Which Peterson's location did you go to?

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #14 on:** February 18, 2007, 06:03:10 PM »

Quote from: 07X on February 18, 2007, 05:51:40 AM

I tuned mine on a dyno w the SERT.I'm running quiet V-Mods and a K&N.I have close to 115hp w 82ftlbs of torque.We saw some higher #'s but this is where it runs best for all around riding.
I'd like to know how in the hell it takes a person 5 hrs to tune a stock EFI engine.
Which Peterson's location did you go to?

Don't know what you're talking about there...

I'm not sure how the flow compares between the V-Mod muffs and the SE Slips, nor do I know how the sound compares, having never heard a set.

With regards to taking 5 hours to tune, it happened over an afternoon and the next morning. Since I was not paying for the tune, nor the Dyno time, and was not present in the room when it was being done, I didn't worry too much about how much time it took them. It was only the second Vrod they had done, so they played around with different parameters, I guess. The main thing I was after is making the bike drivability better, smoother performance over the entire powerband, particularly in the lower RPM's, and a decent, flat A/F ratio. They seem to have achieved those things for me, so I'm happy with it, at least for the time being.

07X · « **Reply #15 on:** February 18, 2007, 06:21:01 PM »

I was directing the Peterson's question at jegomez,sorry,they have 2 dealers and I know a good V-Rod tech there.

The V-mods are probably some of the best pipes for the stock engine for all around performance and sound.The quiet style are much louder than the SE slipons and the regular styles are loud.SE slipons are good pipes too,just not enough sound for me.I wound up winning the Q,V-Mods at a silent auction,the others I modified myself.
I'm glad your SE runs smooth now.

amigo Jorge · « **Reply #16 on:** February 18, 2007, 06:25:54 PM »

Quote from: TCnBham on February 17, 2007, 05:52:51 PM

Jorge...can't wait to see the finished product, my friend. That's a nice pipe you picked and I'm sure will give you some good numbers!!

Wish we could join you guys in Daytona, but we would only be able to ride down Friday and would have to return Sunday or Monday at the latest...hardly worth the trip.

Same than me amigo...I will be going on Saturday and coming back on Tuesday....go, we are going to have fun.!!

amigo Jorge · « **Reply #17 on:** February 18, 2007, 06:29:21 PM »

Quote from: 07X on February 18, 2007, 06:21:01 PM

I was directing the Peterson's question at jegomez,sorry,they have 2 dealers and I know a good V-Rod tech there.

The V-mods are probably some of the best pipes for the stock engine for all around performance and sound.The quiet style are much louder than the SE slipons and the regular styles are loud.SE slipons are good pipes too,just not enough sound for me.I wound up winning the Q,V-Mods at a silent auction,the others I modified myself.
I'm glad your SE runs smooth now.

Peterson North....

TheVgirl · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2007, 08:22:11 PM »

No Jorge that's a look I like!!!! What about sound?

I know I'm a redneck but I really can't help it! I like the Vrod sounding more like a Harley than a Honda and that is accomplished by the Thunderheader! Would like to see and hear the Fat Cat. I like the upward sweep. That is what I miss about the stock pipes. But so far, the performance outweighs the lines! That V FLIES!!! You'll see more numbers in the next month or two!!! I'll keep you posted!

V

Jock · « **Reply #19 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:51:01 PM »

Well after years of wanting it done, I am finally going to do it...Wanted to take it to Tilley's and HUBBARD helped me, but I just do not have the time.

Therefore, I am having it performed locally.

I had some major issues when I performed a flash that was not correct. I suspect this will assist in this matter.

I will keep you posted...

Jock · « **Reply #20 on:** July 16, 2007, 08:52:18 PM »

Well it's done...After a Sept. 2006 Dyno Shoot Out and some surprising results, I finally was able to have it done properly.

Prior to this, I was running 16 GA Double Barrels and the HD Flash Download, which I was informed in Daytona Beach was not designed for my bike after the fact.

As you can see, the bike was running poorly and I had my a$$ handled to me at the event. Not a problem, just a surprise...

Jock · « **Reply #21 on:** July 16, 2007, 09:17:48 PM »

So today, we took care of this matter as best we could considering what I was willing to invest...a few pics, as you should expect them from me...

Jock · « **Reply #22 on:** July 16, 2007, 09:19:26 PM »

As if you are interested in seeing this one, but another one...

Jock · « **Reply #23 on:** July 16, 2007, 09:21:10 PM »

OK you twisted my arm for another one...

Jock · « **Reply #24 on:** July 16, 2007, 09:26:11 PM »

Final one...rear side plate showing...which I love to show the rear tire, not to mention the dyno tread wear...

Jock · « **Reply #25 on:** July 16, 2007, 09:31:38 PM »

Now after all of this work, here were the results with minimum investment...

One statement I can make for sure...Do not assume a map will generate the desired results or anything near what you expect. As we know, ALL BIKES ARE DIFFERENT!!!

A noticeable difference from the first result and I am pleased...BTY...it was 98* outside when this was performed..DAMN...

Special_Ed · « **Reply #26 on:** July 16, 2007, 09:45:55 PM »

Quote from: Jock on July 16, 2007, 09:26:11 PM

Final one...rear side plate showing...which I love to show the rear tire, not to mention the dyno tread wear...

Numbers look pretty good Jock, has Terry been talking about my rear tire envy issue...

Ed

SOKOOLJ · « **Reply #27 on:** July 16, 2007, 10:56:56 PM »

Quote from: Jock on July 16, 2007, 09:31:38 PM

Now after all of this work, here were the results with minimum investment...

One statement I can make for sure...Do not assume a map will generate the desired results or anything near what you expect. As we know, ALL BIKES ARE DIFFERENT!!!

A noticeable difference from the first result and I am pleased...BTY...it was 98* outside when this was performed..DAMN...

Nice run brother, glad you were able to finally get her in. BTW, she is great looking in that rear shot, nice and wide, little wear.

Jock · « **Reply #28 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:46:06 AM »

Quote from: SOKOOLJ on July 16, 2007, 10:56:56 PM

Nice run brother, glad you were able to finally get her in. BTW, she is great looking in that rear shot, nice and wide, little wear.

Tire had to be replaced...less than 100 miles on that tire.

Fired00d · « **Reply #29 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:48:15 AM »

Quote from: Jock on July 17, 2007, 08:46:06 AM

Tire had to be replaced...less than 100 miles on that tire.

Wow!!!

Is that normal for that to happen on that bike during dyno? I think I remember you having that tire replaced not to long ago because previous one was defective.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #30 on:** July 17, 2007, 11:44:10 AM »

Nice to see you got her dialed in, Jock. Our numbers are about the same...the main thing is that I'll bet the bike is much better with regards to driveability now....no stumbling, etc. Those ECM flashes just get you in the ball park. Bike is looking good too

Jock · « **Reply #31 on:** July 19, 2007, 10:08:11 PM »

Agreed.

amigo Jorge · « **Reply #32 on:** January 07, 2008, 10:12:52 AM »

VRSCX 07: 116.21HP & Torque=80.96 from 92.93HP & Torque=70.47
- D&D 2-1 Exhaust
- K&N Air Filter

lilbear · « **Reply #33 on:** January 08, 2008, 10:23:20 PM »

Quote from: jegomez on January 07, 2008, 10:12:52 AM

VRSCX 07: 116.21HP & Torque=80.96 from 92.93HP & Torque=70.47
- D&D 2-1 Exhaust
- K&N Air Filter

Jorge,
Congrats on the great numbers!

Jock · « **Reply #34 on:** January 09, 2008, 08:26:30 AM »

Quote from: jegomez on January 07, 2008, 10:12:52 AM

VRSCX 07: 116.21HP & Torque=80.96 from 92.93HP & Torque=70.47
- D&D 2-1 Exhaust
- K&N Air Filter

Nice improvement!

amigo Jorge · « **Reply #35 on:** January 09, 2008, 09:35:25 AM »

Quote from: lilbear on January 08, 2008, 10:23:20 PM

Jorge,
Congrats on the great numbers!

Thanks Craig.....I see you in one month and half.....soon

amigo Jorge · « **Reply #36 on:** January 09, 2008, 09:36:00 AM »

Quote from: Jock on January 09, 2008, 08:26:30 AM

Nice improvement!

Yes Jock....it's fast....sometimes I get afraid

Jock · « **Reply #37 on:** January 09, 2008, 07:23:31 PM »

Quote from: jegomez on January 09, 2008, 09:36:00 AM

Yes Jock....it's fast....sometimes I get afraid

Don't know about you but if I do not change my riding position after 90mph, I am all over the place...

amigo Jorge · « **Reply #38 on:** January 09, 2008, 09:17:29 PM »

Quote from: Jock on January 09, 2008, 07:23:31 PM

Don't know about you but if I do not change my riding position after 90mph, I am all over the place...

Me too............

Jock · « **Reply #39 on:** January 09, 2008, 09:25:26 PM »

Quote from: jegomez on January 09, 2008, 09:17:29 PM

Me too............

Good to know it not just me...

TheVgirl · « **Reply #40 on:** April 02, 2008, 10:25:36 AM »

Here's a post from a friend of mine, Alex, when I asked him for his dyno chart after he told me he sent his engine out to Zippers to be bored. I thought I'd share it here. Notice that it's not much better than mine or TCnBham's.
(Oh yeah, I'll have to cut and paste the rest where he had problems and they had to "re-engineer" the design):

Apr 1, 2008 10:25 PM
Wow, you called me out… Most of the time I don’t like comparing penis sizes because I get more out of the riding than talking about how awesome “The Ride” is… but you called me out! Oh Balls, you called me out. Not that I even come close to the wet weight of you and your bike since you have at least a hundred pound advantage on me in power/weight ratio as we share a similar motorcycle but you weigh half what I do with all my “Oh Crap” gear but called me out! So OK fine, here it is, the stinkin’ dyno if you must compare, and I thought you were beyond that... I still cant believe you called me out…

Deathatyour6 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 12, 2008, 12:52:05 PM »

Quote from: TheVgirl on April 02, 2008, 10:25:36 AM

Here's a post from a friend of mine, Alex, when I asked him for his dyno chart after he told me he sent his engine out to Zippers to be bored. I thought I'd share it here. Notice that it's not much better than mine or TCnBham's.
(Oh yeah, I'll have to cut and paste the rest where he had problems and they had to "re-engineer" the design):

Apr 1, 2008 10:25 PM
Wow, you called me out… Most of the time I don’t like comparing penis sizes because I get more out of the riding than talking about how awesome “The Ride” is… but you called me out! Oh Balls, you called me out. Not that I even come close to the wet weight of you and your bike since you have at least a hundred pound advantage on me in power/weight ratio as we share a similar motorcycle but you weigh half what I do with all my “Oh Crap” gear but called me out! So OK fine, here it is, the stinkin’ dyno if you must compare, and I thought you were beyond that... I still cant believe you called me out…

Oh, Hey V there you go. Finally found this thing. Yes, I had some issues with the engine modification. Here is the skinny:

-Bought 06 VRSCR with included Zippers 1320 “Street Rod” kit
-At the end of break-in the shop mechanic noted some oil in the airbox
-At 2500, 3000, and 3500 miles I noted oil seeping from the airbox and progressively getting worse, 2,4, 6 oz of oil. Had it serviced/inspected, dealer said it was blowby from the engine kit.
-Went on a trek from GA to the Grand Canyon, 3000 miles later and a bunch of airbox purges later I took it back to the dealer and told them to fix it with more than a rag-wrench.
-They pulled the engine and sent it back to Zippers.
-Investigation reported: the 2-ringed piston was wobbling because of the short sleeve design. Only 1 compression ring and 1 oil wiper ring and wear on cylinder wall from wobble contributed to crank case pressurization of exhaust gas and subsequent oil blow-out into the airbox.
-Zippers recalled that engine kit and had a longer piston sleeve designed with 2 compression rings and 1 oil wiper ring.
-I have not put enough miles on the bike to evaluate the effectiveness of the re-design.

I guess I could have left well enough alone but I had to go and try to fix something that wasn’t broken. I am glad that Zippers took action to correct the malfunction and will give them accolades for that. I’ll keep y’all posted as to the engine and any issues that arise. So if you are experiencing similar symptoms: Oil in airbox: I recommend you have a bleed-down check done of your cylinders to see if that could be your issue. Bad valve adjustment would contribute to a failed bleed-down as well, but you would not experience the airbox oil symptom.

Thanks for throwing my dirty laundry on the lawn V – Love ya

~Alex
http://www.myspace.com/deathatyour6

TheVgirl · « **Reply #42 on:** April 19, 2008, 01:29:19 PM »

I wasn't airing your dirty laundry. I just thought you might have had some insight into the problem if you'd read up on the Zippers thread first! Sounds like they fixed the problem and you're on the right track!!

Ok, truth be known?

Since I don't have a pee-pee...I was actually inadvertently bragging about my own bike! Ha ha! Your's is now 1320cc and mine is still 1250cc and it still has about as much HP/TQ. Now you get it? Oh and guess what? I didn't spend a ton of money on it. Just the cost of the PC (in the purchase price) and the cost of the custom map. I've been very pleased. The first thing I noticed after the tune was the immediate throttle response. Still love the bike just like it is. Is John going to be at MB? I might need to go have it freshened up since it's got over 5k on it now. It was tuned at 550. And I don't spend every weekend detailing it or admiring the chrome. I do make sure it gets shined every once in a while though. Otherwise, how would I discreetly check my lipstick? The mirror is way toooo obvious!

You and Leigh want to meet up in the middle? With or without kids? Your girls can entertain my boys while the adults shoot the breeze. Or we can get a sitter and you both ride! What did you say Leigh rides? I know she doesn't ride 2-up with you on that thing!!! Too independent and too smart! No good way to hold on!

Author Topic: 06 SEVrod PCIII Dyno Tune (Read 20661 times)