This thread will be interesting. :nixweiss:No Your NOT
My prediction: More of the same as in previous years, less made in US parts, continuing rumors of water cooling, more left over 2013's in the showroom and all of whatever they offer costing more. That should take care of it...... :2vrolijk_21:
My prediction: More of the same as in previous years, less made in US parts, continuing rumors of water cooling, more left over 2013's in the showroom and all of whatever they offer costing more. That should take care of it...... :2vrolijk_21:
+1 :'(...and ain't that a pity!
I would say water cooled engines is almost a sure thing...there will be big things in store for 2014's....
and what about the 120 in a CVO. :nixweiss:Yes Mano, 120 excuses for they ALL DO THAT
The pool boy died. So now have it from Willie G's drywall hanger that 2014 will see the liquid cooled (i.e., it's cooler riding in the rain) 120R powered SE Servicar.
I was considering buying another CVO (2013) but don't know if i should wait for the 2014 models?
Going to keep my Convertible but considering the CVO Ultra, if they do move to a water cooled engine it would be handy and maybe worth the wait!
Hi PierceEye,
Hi Charlie....noticed your in Dubai...do you happen to know a kiwi known as Craig Symonds with Tactical Trading? Used to run HD there
Yes Mano, 120 excuses for they ALL DO THAT
i heard cvo models will come with a Keurig coffee maker that fits in the saddle bag and powers via usb cable
and there a "K" lite on dash to til ya when ready
Hi PierceEye,
I have met him before (a few years ago) but wouldn't go as far as to say i know him! i think he left Harley sometime in 2007, the GM is now a guy called Steve Beatie,
You ever been out to Dubai?
We toured the HD Tomahawk facility last week and got a glimps of the fenders of a trike they were painting that sure looked to be a possible CVO based on the colors and design. When we pointed to it they quickly closed the door. Maybe it was a Mirage
The coffee maker will only be a dealer installed accessory. Other new dealer option is new (chrome plated) Screamin' Eagle Bong ($348.95 MSRP) that can ride in the CD tray while going down the road.
Only available in California, Oregon, and Colorado...the California version is a vaporizer bong so there is no second hand smoke...the CD tray holder is an innovative idear though...
The CVO Servicar rear will house a new Hydroponic growbox with LED lighting, charcoal filtering, and the water will double as cooling media for the V4 Revolution Engine. Screamin' Eagle Hydrogrow...available in quarts/gallons for $99.95 and $249.95 respectively.
Here it is...just what we predicted...with the all new water cooled engine!Yep and it is not only water cooled, due to the surging gas prices it will have an DIESEL engine too !!!! :orange: :mango: :bananarock: :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno: :cucumber: :pineapple: :pepper:
Does anyone know when the California EPA specs are published ???? Usually that is our first knowledge of what the cvo's will be.
My inside source tells me he’s seen behind the secret door and there are only going to be 2 significant model changes. A slammed blacked out bagger model called “Spec-Ops”; it will have visuals similar to the Honda F6B, and it will be a water cooled V-Twin. A new CVO Trike that will also share the “Spec-Ops” water cooled motor. Everything else will soldier on until MOCO has time to evaluate acceptance of the water cooled theme in 2014.
heard it from my pool guy ... he's very knowledgeable on pools so I trust his CVO expertise as well (lol) ... soooo ... he says 2014 touring models to be water cooled ... no 14' CVO Street Glide again ... CVO lineup will be CVO Ultra , CVO Road King , CVO Breakout will be back and a new CVO softail model ... possibly a CVO Deluxe version ...
That is very interesting. We place our phase one orders on April 23rd and Road Glide and Road King Classic are dropped from the 2014 FL line up. I know, I know but it's true. Take that to the bank
The 2014 colors of the non cvo's are kinda cool too. I like Daytona Blue Pearl :2vrolijk_21:
Discontinuation Details for Road Glide for 2014MY
Both Road Glide models are being discontinued for the 2014MY to undergo planned design refreshes; during this time, we will also be making needed updates to the manufacturing processes currently being used to produce these models. For example, the fairing tooling for this model is at the end of its usable life, so during the discontinued timeframe we will both update this design and retool manufacturing equipment. Making both design and build changes during this time will enable us to more quickly reintroduce a more innovative and better-than-ever Road Glide for your touring customers. Additional information on the reintroduction of the Road Glide will be shared at the 2013 Annual Dealer Meeting in August.
Discontinuation Details for Road King models
Over the past few years we have been monitoring Road King and Road King Classic sales, and have sought input from dealers regarding whether we needed both of these models in our lineup. Considering recent sales trends, we have decided to discontinue the Road King Classic in North America. In international markets, where the Road King Classic outsells the Road King, we will be discontinuing the Road King.
Rich
CLEARLY THIS IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS BUT........
If you value your job with the motor company, I would refrain from making these type of postings. As you know you are bound by a confidentiality agreement and can be fired for releasing confidential information.
I personally don't want to see that happen. So I am suggesting you take the postings down before somebody from the motor company see them and takes action.
Regards
It's all good, the way I see it it would drive people in to gobble up the remaining inventory while available.
It has already been published anyway.
Rich
I agree. My Dealer showed me the same documentation and said if you want a Road Glide buy it now/b]
+1 my dealer said the same thing! said the Road Glide was stopping to change the design on the windshield etc.
I agree. My Dealer showed me the same documentation and said if you want a Road Glide buy it now/b]
The only thing I can say with total confidence is that the quality and reliability of Harley's offerings in 2014 will still be very poor, and their customer service will suck as much as or even more than usual. Considering those two items, I really don't care what else they may offer for 2014, I won't be buying it. I'd rather spend my money on something worthwhile, like a colonoscopy.
Jerry
Will this be the year of the first CVO Trek?Yes!!! But don't you get rid of Blue Thunder... >:( ;D
Just heard today that ................NO 2014 CVO ROADKING...............they are going back to cvo streetglide instead.
actually all this info about dropping the Road Glide and with a possible return in the next model year has been out for quite a while....there's even a HD document floating around dated january, 2013 stating the reasons for doing so.
It also explains why the RK with hard bags will only be available in domestic US market and the RK Classic will be exclusively sold in international markets...
as for the color charts...has anyone actually seen them?
for whats it worth the rumor mill at my local dealership says that all touring models will have abs system including the softail line as well .Pushing down the 110 on other models will tell us if the moco has a change for 2015. So if anyone has the itch to get the not so greatest
and there is gonna to be a new model come out like the breakout ... it will have a motor change ...maybe a 110 in a standard line up ? who knows
Harley Davidson Does NOT change their cycles unless they THINK last years model is perfected.
The one rumor that I've heard is that for 2014, there will be a choice on the standard Ultra models only; air-cooled or water-cooled with the radiators in the lowers. Of course, reliability via the rumor mill is always questionable, but it seems like most of this thread is the rumor mill at it's finest. :coolblue:
I finally gave in and went to the source. Called the pool boy. He's always been right on before and so willing to help. I seem to remember him being dead last year. But he must have gotten better. Anyway.... when I asked him what was happening for 2014 he told me to go &^(* myself. Pretty sure he didn't mean it in a good way either.;D :D great :2vrolijk_21:
Recovering from being dead must have made him grumpy..... :nixweiss:
We all know that there will be no Road Glides in 2014, but I also heard that in the "regular" lineup, there will be NO Classics or Ultras from now on... This would leave ONLY Limiteds in the Electra Glide family.
That's what I heard anyway. :nixweiss:
Source?
Dropped bike off for service yesterday, Dealer has an update he received
Source?
I guess 416,000+ potential customers viewing your new product line up close does not get the bean-counters excited.
Was there a change in the Marketing dept. two years ago?
IMO... Mark-Han Richer is really missing the mark on this decision. Being from the car background I guess he does not realize the affect of marketing to over 400,000 people in one week at the Sturgis rally. I am willing to bet that Polaris understands this and that they will sale more than a few new Indian bikes that week. Especially if the quality is superior to the Harley crap MOCO has been selling the last few years.
Last year in Sturgis the Victory tent was packed as it will be this year with all the interest in the 2014 Indians. Meanwhile there fewer people in the Harley tents by comparison. I attended the big event at the Museum when they rolled the 2013s and it was well attended but there were no 400,000 people there.
I heard this change of date was done to help the dealers clear out the current year bikes before interest peaks on the new models. They must not care if interest instead peaks toward the Indian and others
Missing the mark... Most people at the Big Rallies already drank the Kool-aid, There Loyal to Harley!
He's going for a whole New Younger Market and Females ;) We Will See how it goes :nixweiss:
Harley has appeal to people who want to customize there bike, with out building it from scratch.
(This is not directed at anyone in particular). I really don't understand what all of the enthusiasm is about for a water cooled engine. Harley debuted the V-Rod and it bombed. A water cooled tourer might do better, I'm not sure. There are plenty of water cooled bikes available if somebody wants one.
(This is not directed at anyone in particular). I really don't understand what all of the enthusiasm is about for a water cooled engine. Harley debuted the V-Rod and it bombed. A water cooled tourer might do better, I'm not sure. There are plenty of water cooled bikes available if somebody wants one.
His so called marketing genius didn't help GM weather the recession. Canadian and US tax payers forked out billions and billions of dollars in subsidies to keep the GM solvent on both sides of the border. Oh well, at least the guy rides.....
It DIDN'T flop. Consider these points:
It is as successful as almost all the other lines.
You have GOT to be kidding. Go for a ride today. How many V-Rods did you see? Probably none, or maybe one. Walk into virtually any dealership. How many do you see on the floor? Very few (and it's not because they sold them all - lol). It's because dealers like to carry what sells. By any objective measure, the V-Rod bombed.
Consider the fact that you started this thread way back on March 4th (over 4 months ago). I'm asking you to look at yourself only and then tell me if your interest in seeing the 2014 Harleys stops when they aren't debuted at Sturgis. Obviously, the answer is no. Impatient and can't wait to see them looks like the answer would be yes. Disappointed...probably. Are you planning on pulling the trigger and buying an Indian without seeing the new Harleys? Probably not, but if you were, then you would probably buy the Indian if you were that impressed with it, regardless of what Harley does. My point is that trying to make this into some kind of argument that this is some huge marketing mistake by Harley is a bunch of poppycock. Harley already has your attention and they very well know it. Face it, most of us know that our bikes are not the best built machines sold by a long stretch, yet we pay top dollar for them while already knowing that we are going to make all kinds of changes to them. Apparently, we don't even like the bikes as they are sold. We need to make numerous changes to them and still aren't satisfied and we continue to look for new ways to change them. My friend, if that isn't marketing genius, I don't know what it is. If anything, it might take the person thinking about popping for the Indian and delay their purchase and give them some time to think about what they are doing, while they wait to see the new Harleys. I'm just as anxious to see the new Harley lineup as everybody else is. Yes, they have their hook in me too. But the anticipation doesn't fade, it grows as we get nearer the release. I for one will be disappointed if we don't see at least one water-cooled model this year (excluding the Vrod of course). We all know it's coming one of these years, and I would like to see a finished product to see what they actually come up with. Then I can go back to waiting to see if they have a lot of bugs to work out and decide how long to wait to own one.
Wow. Lots of assumptions here. My intent was not to make it an "argument"
I've been pondering on this water cooled motor deal for 2014 or later. The vRod was designed (with MUCH help from Porsche) specifically as a water cooled engine and it's a great motor (again, thanks to the Germans). The rumors are a'flyin' on what the next water cooler will be but here are my thoughts. If the MoCo retrofits the twin cam as a H2O cooled and doesn't design an all new engine strickly as a water cooler (as the vrod) there will be major problems. It took a few years to get the Evo "perfected" and except for the years they went away from Timken bearings, they were great motors and lived from 1984 to 2000. The twin cam is a very good motor but there are still issues with it after 14 years. The vRod motor has actually been a very good motor from the start but it was always a water cooled motor design. Retrofiting an air cooled motor can be done but it's a challenge and knowing the MoCo, I wouldn't touch one for the first 5 years, maybe longer.
Fuel injection was a given and with the EPA regs, water cooling is coming for our HD's. I'm hoping that they learn from the past (I know what your thinking here....just as I'm typing, I'm laughing out loud) and go with either a revamping/upgrading of the vRod motor OR a whole new water cooled motor design..... ;D
Water-cooled heads would do quite a bit to lessen the overall heat. Not as much as a true liquid-cooled modern engine like the one in the V-Rod... But they would enable the MoCo to get a few more years out of the (cough) "real" Harley pushrod V-Twin.
Now, if they came out with a BAGGER with a V-Rod engine, that might be a real game-changer for me. I would love to have a truly modern, quad overhead cam, liquid-cooled Touring engine that makes 125 HP out of the box with no heat issues. The different exhaust note would not bother me a bit.
Ken
Maybe.....in your world but not oin a lot of other locations.
Don't get me wrong I like both V-Rods and Twinkies because they are well engineered and offer different experiences.
Water-cooled heads would do quite a bit to lessen the overall heat. Not as much as a true liquid-cooled modern engine like the one in the V-Rod... But they would enable the MoCo to get a few more years out of the (cough) "real" Harley pushrod V-Twin.
Now, if they came out with a BAGGER with a V-Rod engine, that might be a real game-changer for me. I would love to have a truly modern, quad overhead cam, liquid-cooled Touring engine that makes 125 HP out of the box with no heat issues. The different exhaust note would not bother me a bit.
Ken
More likely we could see OIL cooled heads on the new harley's.Ssshh, Your not suppose to tell anyone. :deal2:
More likely we could see OIL cooled heads on the new harley's.That would be the simple solution.
Don't they have oil cooled heads already on the xr models?Sure do.
Posted this in the SESG 2014 speculation thread, too.
One thing that would be GREAT is to get rid of the ancient, troublesome H-K radio - and go to a more modern touch panel all-digital audio system with Bluetooth, MP3 player, GPS, etc. and a big LCD panel in the dash to control all of the functions. Does anyone use CDs anymore? I have never even put one in my radio!
Harley really needs to step up and provide state of the art modern audio/nav systems like many automobiles have these days - without needing all of the bulky add-on modules for iPod, CB, nav, etc.
Just a thought... What does everyone think about that?
You are dead spot on....That would be a great idea
Please do not even ask where this came from. You know the MOTHER COMPANY lurks on this site.
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Hey Mike, where'd you hear this? :huepfenlol2:
Still testing and still having problems yet having an imminent and very near term release date does sound like Harley Davidson. In and of itself that almost makes it authoritative....
You must have some knowledge as well!!!! I was told a testing problem on 1 of the touring models. I am not sure if that is the only model they have been doing testing on or not.
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Hey Mike, where'd you hear this? :huepfenlol2:
Still testing and still having problems yet having an imminent and very near term release date does sound like Harley Davidson. In and of itself that almost makes it authoritative....
Since the Roadglide is absent from the lineup isn't like 35 years since the TourGlide introduction? Maybe first water cooled bike will be 35th Anniversary TourGlide? :Nixie's:
:bananarock: :bananarock:
Brad
OK THIS IS OFFICIAL!!!!
Another thing is if a CVO Ultra is now 36k retail what's a water hog going to be 40k, getting to the point of this is too much to pay for 2 wheels. I had a hard enough time swallowing the money on my new UCA
OMG (learned that from my niece)! Just realized that Mikey's retirement and coming off the BBQ circuit has now been explained. The Dawg is the OFFICIAL HD Spokesdawg! How cool is that :znotworthy: .
Ok, I'd heard rumors and rumblings too. But nothing that could be cited. Not exactly like yours but similar. That even Harley would be stupid enough to have models approved for production with the various state and Federal agencies and, this close to release, actually not have it ready for release strained credulity. But this is Mother Harley after all. We are still in, what, the 7th year of beta on the 110? So who can really say what these clowns would do.
For purposes purely of amusement rather than any actual factual rendering what would be the best guess that one problem model might be?
Do we assume the Dyna is the guinea pig platform as it so often has been? Or do we assume the more likely target for a water cooled twin cam is the more obvious Touring line? If Touring which one "is not like the others" and would, therefore, be the most likely problem child? You suppose they're having trouble finding a place for functional small radiators and/or fans on a Road King without lowers?
Sorry Don still doing BBQ just not as much this year. Trying to spend time at home for a change. I think if they offer me the "SPOKESDAWG" job I would have to take it!!!!
Be Safe
THE DAWG
OK THIS IS OFFICIAL!!!! It did not come from the pool boy, but did come from someone in the know. WATER COOLED in 2014. They are testing right now and they are having some issues. I don't know what models or every model. I know this person was talking about 1 model that they were working on right now. This person would not give up any other info.
Please do not even ask where this came from. You know the MOTHER COMPANY lurks on this site.
Be Safe
THE DAWG
I just come back from the US and I have heard that too , water cooled with a 2300cc motor and a new radio.
We will see next month !!!!!
Another thing is if a CVO Ultra is now 36k retail what's a water hog going to be 40k, getting to the point of this is too much to pay for 2 wheels. I had a hard enough time swallowing the money on my new UCA
Forget a new ground up liquid motor. They are simply plumbing the existing V-Twin for water, and using lower fairing mounted radiators. That alone confirms it's a touring model that normally has lowers, but I was unable to confirm whether it was a CVO or a standard model. I'd guess it won't be a CVO, but what do I know.
Anyone know the date and location for the upcoming Dealer meeting???
Anything filed with CARB yet?
I heard that this is Harley's new ad campaign:
Maybe a water cooled CVO called a Gargling Eagle! :huepfenlol2:I was thinking Osprey, but Gargling Eagle works for me. :pineapple: (God I love that pineapple guy!)
X2!! I just got off the Indian website and the bike looks very impressive and is very well priced. It looks like it is a seriously contender that may become my next bike.
I would HIGHLY recommend anyone thinking about an Indian to drive one first. I have an Indian fantic for a friend who dragged me to Milwaukee to do these demo rides a couple of years back. Imho, the thing was a rattling, cheap feeling piece of junk. Looked great, but everytime you gave it gas, the trans clunked, if you got it over 3000 rpm, you couldn't see out of the mirrors, and everything make it's own frequency of rattling metals. Thinking I got a beat up lemon, we swapped bikes at the 1/2 way point, and the other one was just as bad.
Don't get me wrong, they are gorgeous bikes, but I just could wait to get back on my Harley. This was right before the buyout, so I sure hope the've made some big improvements.
...............................................
Am I reading the specs correctly? It lists the drive ratios for all six gears, then a final drive ratio, so is this a 7 speed tranny?
Nope, just a six speed (six is more than enough IMHO). The ratios they list for one through six are overall ratios that include the primary ratio, the actual trans ratio, and the final drive ratio. Then they give the final drive (trans output shaft to rear axle) ratio separately.
Jerry
Very impressive bikes...adjustable windshield, real leather seats, one hole lubricant, wind tunnel tested fairing, 5 year unlimited mileage Warranty/ESP, Integrated Bluetooth, digital display, cruise control, cast aluminum frame, Elite Tires, ABS....are you watching, MOCO?Yeah, but I did not see lowers or a tour pak. For my kind of two up long distance riding those are a must.
Some serious competition, IMO.
Am I reading the specs correctly? It lists the drive ratios for all six gears, then a final drive ratio, so is this a 7 speed tranny?
Yeah, but I did not see lowers or a tour pak. For my kind of two up long distance riding those are a must.
Indian, schmindian... HD4life :coolblue:Better get the ESP............ :huepfenlol2:
Better get the ESP............ :huepfenlol2::oops: Good one. :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
This is not the same bike you rode two years ago. Completely redesigned by Polaris.
Yeah, well I'll be the judge of that when he drags me to the next demo. I'll take way more than a wink and a press release to fix that mess.
Better get the ESP............ :huepfenlol2:
Well, with a completely different seat height, wheelbase, engine configuration and design (no primary, parallel pushrod tubes, 49 degree V, just to mention a few), totally different frame, 100 million spent in R&D over the past two years, and a price tag that is more than $10,000 LESS than the version attempted by Stellican, LTD in 2010, I would say it's 100% certain that it's not the same bike you rode. 100 Million buys more than a wink and a press release...the only commonality to the previous attempt is in a few key styling characteristics.
Are all 3 Indians new with new frames?Billy
My dealer also told me with all the major changes in store, get ready to pay more for a 2014 CVO Ultra... In Canada the 13's MSRP is currently at $42,700. I suspect from the way my dealer is talking if I want a '14 SEUC the price will be north of $48k. Ouch! Oh yeah, then add taxes etc.What he said! :2vrolijk_21:
Heck my first house was way less than that, and as everyone knows a house appreciates in value!!!
Boy, do I ever love my '08 Duracell. :) Runs great and still looks amazing.
My dealer also told me with all the major changes in store, get ready to pay more for a 2014 CVO Ultra... In Canada the 13's MSRP is currently at $42,700. I suspect from the way my dealer is talking if I want a '14 SEUC the price will be north of $48k. Ouch! Oh yeah, then add taxes etc.
Heck my first house was way less than that, and as everyone knows a house appreciates in value!!!
Boy, do I ever love my '08 Duracell. :) Runs great and still looks amazing.
I believe that with few exceptions, dealers rarely know more about new models than we do.
I just received a email from my dealer here in Jacksonville presenting the 2014 models on 8/31.
My guess is that we will see the trucks moving south from York while the Colorado dealer meeting is in progress. So some of us just may have their new rides in their garages over the Labor Day weekend.
Regards
Jerry
Well, what do you have to say for yourself young lad?
;D
Is summer over up there yet? We will at least experience some good fall riding weather.
Regards
i heard cvo models will come with a Keurig coffee maker that fits in the saddle bag and powers via usb cable
and there a "K" lite on dash to til ya when ready
Is this a genuine question or is it meant to be humorous?
Would not doubt it, we used to make them here in Alabama then Keurig decided to save money and move them to Chia. Fits right in will the Harley thinking on outsourcing.
The guys returning from Sturgis, said the two changes in the 2014 Harley's were a touch screen for the radio, and the price!
Did they happen to mention what their magical source of this information is, or just more rumor mill? Since we have seen the touch screen mentioned a few times now, I'm curious about the thoughts on that idea. First, I know how difficult it is to see the screen on the current radio, especially with sunglasses on or with the sun shining on it. Second, in order for it to be glove-friendly, it has to be a screen with a little flexibility like the screen on the Garmin. That means that it has to give a little to activate the sensors behind the screen. From my past experience with Garmin, over time, the sun does get to the screen and eventually you are pushing harder and harder, until finally you need to get a new screen. Third, it sounds a little dangerous trying to hit the right spot on a touchscreen, especially with gloves on. These are just some immediate thoughts that come to mind without actually seeing what might be the reality of it. On the other hand, I might see it and say to myself, "wow, this is great...I wish they would have done this a long time ago".
One other thing while talking about the new models. Doesn't anybody find it to be a bit strange that the CA ARB reports have no mention of Harley at all yet at this late date, approaching release. Is it possible that Harley has asked them to keep the reports hush hush? Who would that really hurt if they didn't show the Harley info until the last minute on their website...other than us, of course?
The Indian display in the Chieftain will not be a touch display, but controlled by hand controls. Maybe Harley will do something like that if they come out with an LCD display in the dash. That would make more sense than a touch screen display.I agree... IMO it would be a liability for them not to have some way for the rider to control the radio w/o removing hands from handlebars. Regarding the CARB reports what constitutes a company having to send in a report?
It is odd that there is no info from Harley on the 2014 CARB site yet. I don't think CARB gives a rip about helping Harley or anyone else keep any secrets, tho. They are a relentless state government agency that really only cares about their rules.
Ken
Maybe there are no new engines to test Billy
And I will know what bike I bought :drink: And finally place an order for all the stuff I will replace on it :cucumber:
I ordered a 2014 CVO UC and I really don't want liquid cooled so I hope the rumors are wrong:nervous:
:nervous:
It will be air cooled............I hope
It will be air cooled............I hopeTime will tell. :nervous:
Ding, ding, ding...I think we have a winner!! ;D
The 103 and 110 have been out a few years, yet CARB had all bike and engine combos on their site for the 13's and the 12's and the 11's.... no new engines those years
I'll tell you what....HD better do something....Indian is on the war path.I have no idea what you are talking about, I glanced at the ugly Indian thought to myself, poor thing, and strolled right by with a little chuckle. I found nothing remotely interesting, just another Victory trying to be a Harley IMO :coolblue:
At Sturgis, Indian had a great showing with lots of excitment about their new motor and they just look cool. Harley didn't create any excitment....same old same old.
If Indian is able to develop a desent dealer network......I would get one.(I would save a lot of money on T-shirts)
Man up Harley...I still love you...but every time I look at the Indian....I take pause a little longer.
The things people say.
People just amaze me.
Kind of sad also.
SBB
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/08/16/manufacturers/harley-davidson/carb-reveals-2014-harley-davidson-models-including-some-cool-surprises/ (http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/08/16/manufacturers/harley-davidson/carb-reveals-2014-harley-davidson-models-including-some-cool-surprises/) From what this article says, the CARB reports show lower emissions in 2 models with the same displacement as other models...as a possible indication of water cooling in 2 bikes. Read the article and check the CARB reports.
Hopefully MOCO will at some point start returning the loyalty along with the dealers. Some dealers in my area are making warranty work a 8wk wait to push customers to other dealers so they can make the easy money. Go figure make something that breaks and then don't wanna back up your customers. :soapbox:
Yes, many of us including myself have been and still are diehard HD loyalists. But that line of loyalty is getting thinner and thinner with each HD increase and each reliability issue that continues to dog the MOCO.
A lot of riders including myself are excited about the new Indian. Polaris has shown Victory to be a very reliable brand and it is expected that the new Indians will be every bit as reliable. And I believe that Victory or Indian have ever wanted to be Harley clones. The new Indians will likely take sales away from HD at least until HD can equal the quality of Victory, Honda, Yamaha, BMW, etc.No biggy you like what you like ya know? I personally just think all Victorys bikes, including the Indian, are Harley ripoffs. The bikes are just their version of a certain bike that Harley makes, only much less desirable TO ME. I just don't see it. Take the cross country for example, just a wannabe SG but less appealing. Again, all my opinions, feelings on it. I love my Harley and nothing that Victory/Indian has done has grabbed my attention just looks like more of the same to me.
Yes, many of us including myself have been and still are diehard HD loyalists. But that line of loyalty is getting thinner and thinner with each HD price increase and each reliability issue that continues to dog the MOCO.
I wonder with that big radio display if they come with built in GPS? Or if that is a option you can buy like a Goldwing has?
I guess we will find out tomorrow.
I think water is upon us for a few models. I spy radiators in lowers on the CVO ultra.Should be fun cleaning the bugs out of that :-X
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e134/93-331-29PSI/208A11BB-D681-4658-87F7-9B0BCD8A3307-3354-0000014896B2EB64_zpse7435d3d.jpg)
Definite radiators on the tri-glide
Water cooling .... so why does the bike still have the leg protector shields?? Will be interesting to find out just how much cooler they will run.Great observation. ;) spyder
Great observation. ;) spyder
Do the bag lids and latches look different on the hardbags too? The front of the bag looks less "flat" i.e. higher in the front?
Those emissions numbers are low. What are the chances of a CVO Limited HYBRID? That would blow everyone out of the water.
Be careful of that...CanAm has one in the works for 14...First look, I'm not a fan.
I thought it looked like the lid was more rounded (like the Indian), and then I looked at the Street Glide and it looked normal, so I though maybe it was just the angle of the photo. If they did round the top...switch it back...it looks stupid.
Diagrams and clear pics of the cooling system and dash.An air vent at the top center of the outer fairing! Guess they'll sell a stick on chrome trim ring for it, lol. ;D
https://www.facebook.com/OaklandHarleyDavidson/photos_stream
Diagrams and clear pics of the cooling system and dash.
https://www.facebook.com/OaklandHarleyDavidson/photos_stream
Look at this:http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E5a-Kjh_qUg/UXUjpQTZFXI/AAAAAAAADdw/kSVhW5V-lro/s640/2013-Harley-CVO-Road-Glide-.jpg
and This:https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1157692_10152487676320663_1481174045_n.jpg
Flip back and forth....it looks rounded to me.
Dash
At least they did not have a Road Glide to butcher this year.
:oops: :nixweiss:
At least they did not have a Road Glide to butcher this year.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Undoubtedly, they ran out of ideas on how to fit that radio/GPS thing in one and that's what did it in. :-\
I agree, top of the bags look rounded.I saw that too. :smilie_daumenneg:
Don't care for the square cut out around the round headlight.
I saw that too. :smilie_daumenneg:
Been looking at the MoCo's site this morning. Can't find a damn thing about wet cooling. Just a few things about twin cooling. Anyone else find more info? Maybe the "twin cooling" is the air and the oil cooler they have. Dunno :stars:
Unless Harley has screwed up a system that others have been using successfully for years (again) the linked brakes is a worthwhile change. For 99.5% of us it's an improvement. All the stylistic differences will meet the usual "love it" or "hate it" responses as everyone applies their own sense of taste. The water cooling is about as minimal as they could do it and still apply a system. The new forks, however, should be a general affirmative. And, finally, sealed bearings in the neck! Now when the dealers don't grease they'll finally actually be doing what they're supposed to.
I think if I could find a way to make the financial end of it work for me, I'd be willing to be a guinea pig and ride one of these new CVO Ultras.
I thought twin cooling was air and water cooling ...on the water cooled bikes it still has the cooling fins on heads and cylinders
Water.
http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/chrome-water-pump-cover
Does this make it the Hydrao-Glide?
The errors currently all over the factory website are amusing. Obviously Mother Harley's web geeks are over-stressed or no absolutely zero content information about the products they are posting and have no editorial oversight by anyone that does.
The water pump cover has a picture of their newBaker competing over bloatedover-sized oil pan. Several other pieces on their site have the wrong pics attached right now. So project Rushmore really was Rush More. It's just that they rushed on the web design work too. Guess if the errors have to start somewhere it's better they start on the web rather than on the road....
The errors currently all over the factory website are amusing. Obviously Mother Harley's web geeks are over-stressed or no absolutely zero content information about the products they are posting and have no editorial oversight by anyone that does.
The water pump cover has a picture of their newBaker competing over bloatedover-sized oil pan. Several other pieces on their site have the wrong pics attached right now. So project Rushmore really was Rush More. It's just that they rushed on the web design work too. Guess if the errors have to start somewhere it's better they start on the web rather than on the road....
It's so early, I was too busy being confused by the lack of "chrome" on a chrome part to realize it was an oil pan. I need a nap! :nixweiss:
So the Vents are just fancy plastic "ram" air intakes....
On the cold weather rides maybe....... :-\..... spyder
You're asking that like it's anything new for their function? Only difference this year is they are (slightly) vented lowers that also hold a radiator. That might be very special for the wind rushing up your pant leg....
In a year or so I would def pick one up, should have most of the bugs out of it by then one would hope.
Just my 2 cents.
Big Dave
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I guess the W/C means you loose your pockets!
The negative - Mail Slot in front of batwing...do you really need a vent in the fairing when going 70 mph? The mail slot ruins the look of the redesigned batwing....couldn't HD have at least made it color matched so it isn't so noticeable? Looks like an after-market item..........
After viewing the new models (especially the Ultras) on the H-D website the first thing that came to mind was...
Honda-Davidson
https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1186286_10151754020916192_139740276_n.jpgObvoiusly the right pocket...anyone know about the left? Did they route it all to the right, or is there a tank on both sides?
I guess the W/C means you loose your pockets!
I guess I was posting while that pic was being posted. It looks like one of the things that was mentioned a last year has been dealt with. It looks like the radiator vents right back out the front, so we won't have the heat passing through to our legs. That is going to be a real mess to clean.
Obvoiusly the right pocket...anyone know about the left? Did they route it all to the right, or is there a tank on both sides?
On the Limited/Ultra: I may have missed it in previous posts, but it appears as if all navigation options are gone - built in and/or Zumo. Good to see the comfort improvements for passengers, standard LEDs, ventilation improvements. Hate the new colors - red is not tooo bad. Just curious... since they don't call this an Ultra, will it be considered a new model, or will it be designated a FLHTCUSE9?
NAV is built into the new radio, much like many cars now. How well it FUNCTIONS, compared to a Garmin, is another question. I have a LARGE display in my cage, with build in NAV, and I've been in other vehicles with similar systems, and they are NOT the same as a Garmin.Why wouldn't you have to add this bike's as a subscription add'l. to your car?
Another upside to the new radio is SIRIUSXM...no more of having to have one subscription for the cage and one for the bike.
Why wouldn't you have to add this bike's as a subscription add'l. to your car?
You would, Spyd, but where before you had to have a subscription for XM on the bike, and most cars now come with SiriusXM, and even though the two companies merged a few years ago, XM and SiriusXM are not the same animal with regards to subscriptions. So, you got no combined subscription discount...now you will. :2vrolijk_21:I didn't realize the subscriptions didn't co-exist......guess it's because I bought the lifetime subscriptions. :-\ spyder
Pure XM will eventually fade away...
Overall I am impressed with the new CVO Limited from a style/form standpoint, time will tell if function follows. It is also impressive that they were able to add the components for cooling and the overall running weight increase was only 10 pounds or so over 2013 SEUC. Not wild about the colors but I'm not in the market for a while anyway. Anxious to see one and hear the reviews though.
Was also surprised at the affordability of the Deluxe. If I were to add another bike I would definitely consider one of those. Classic, nostalgic styling but I like laced spokes on a bike like that more than the chrome wheels but that's just me.
There's a radiator in each lower. They actually did a pretty good job with the radiators and venting from a form point of view...how they, and the rest of the water system remains to be seen.
Did I miss it somewhere or has it been mentioned who makes the new radio/GPS? Just wondering how easy/hard will it be to update the GPS, can you add POI's, any special features of this new radio (USB port, etc., etc.).
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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dood that is the same thing I was wondering. :nixweiss:
If it was wireless, would be easy to update with maps or routes, but doubt that it is. That means either a laptop to the driveway/garage (hope not) or maybe a thumb drive or SD card slot somewhere on the radio is available for GPS maps & such? Maybe will be mentioned in the print literature or somebody will see one & find out.
Would be interested to know who makes this radio also. If it is HK hope they did an exorcism to get rid of the old radio demons first.
Edit in: Thanks Terry for the USB info.
Yea, Mike...we can only hope that USB port allows GPS software updates...of course, they will be exclusive HD Map updates, since they will have dealer locations, and will only cost $299.95, or $399.95 for lifetime updates. It will also have infotainment downloads for the monkey's needed for theradiatorduocooling cap removal. Photos/videos of Bananas, other Monkey's private parts, etc.
Maybe I missed it somewhere but what is the difference between a CVO Ultra Classic and a CVO Ultra Limited? Is there something on a CVO Ultra Limited that a CVO Ultra Classic would not have?
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I wasn't planning on trading Ginger anytime soon anyway (next 10 years or so)
;D :huepfenjump3:
And what day would be complete without a video of a fairing monkey's private parts. (Note to self: do not Google that or there will be a website somewhere that will be even more disgusting than it sounds).
Good point on the map upgrades. By placing them inside the radio, it becomes proprietary. Dammit.
Terry, I will be in the market for a new touring bike in 2015-16. No way in hell would I guinea pig myself on one of these duo cooled wonders of semi-modern science. After being a lab experiment for the 110 in 07 I learned a good lesson. Some of the upgrades sound pretty good - radio, seat, bags, TP, controls, forks. But that H2O component, which may be the best thing since Arthur Davidson's genes gave rise to the massive money maker nameplate that Screamon' Eagle is today, is skeery - to me. Hope all works well for all but....history says....
Anyway, I will probably check out several Touring models beyond HD. For $40k plus at least another $5k one can purchase a helluva good bike, and maybe for less.
Agreed, Mike. HD's track record pretty much sucks on new engines. It even sucks on old engines, though they make incremental progress. I remember well the woes of the '07's. In a couple of years, yeah, maybe. But like you said, with a MSRP of over $40K by the time you add taxes, there are other viable options...at least for me. Since I am bikeless now, it'll be 2015-16 for me before I can consider another bike, and it ain't going to cost $40K, I'm sure of that. Not knocking anyone who ponies up...I really like the lines on the new bikes. Much better flow from the tank, bags, and TP, IMO.
https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1186286_10151754020916192_139740276_n.jpgAlso means you can't take them off during the summer.
I guess the W/C means you loose your pockets!
FLHTKSE
nav is built in to the new head unit
Terry, my bet is they look better in person, they always do. But for $40-50k, there are a lot of options out there. So far, for me, Indian is not one. And the Hondas are....damn fugly Hondas. May end up on one of these not HD H2O but Liquid Cooled (LOL!) jewels, but I will look around some.
This marks a huge change for the MoCo. On bikes with lowers it is inevitable they will be water bikes in time. On bikes without lowers, one wonders what they will do, but a radiator will hang somewhere, eventually.
Red cvo ultra
Which bikes are water cooled? I can't even tell they added water cooling by going to the HD website, because it doesn't say a thing about water cooling.
How hot is the air coming thru the radiator going to be? Do they need to redesign our chaps with leg coolers? :nixweiss:
Without going through the last 12 pages since I left for work this morning,,,, Has anyone figured out how they did "the countless miles" of "real road testing" they're claiming?
Which bikes are water cooled? I can't even tell they added water cooling by going to the HD website, because it doesn't say a thing about water cooling.
Thanks, but the Steamin' Eagle isn't mine - can't remember where I got it, but think it is a perfect description.
I wish I could take credit... but LabRat came up it... and like the MoCo, didn't call any attention to it. Well done!
Ken
Well I just a deposit on one that is due in next week. Guess ill find out!
Please tell me its not true! There does not appear to be an air temp(rain)gauge in the dash of the Ultra. How the hell am I going to live with that situation? I am out on the 2014 for this reason only. Who needs a better motor or suspension or more comfortable seat, we got rid of the stupid air temp gauge! Now that is progress!!
Hey, there IS a positive to the new dash. We get rid of that useless thermometer.
I have a question for everyone...isn't there going to be just as much heat as before...or even more as now we have THREE areas throwing heat to the air around the bike. In cars, the radiators get as hot as the engines and they cool through water jackets NOT through the heads. I guess time will tell, but I sure have my doubts about this system being COOLER! I like everything else they did as far as lighting, latches, radio, controls, faring, etc. :oops:Right! And since the lowers can't be removed, how much of them has been devoted to passenger venting VS radiator cooling?
Two things are stressing me out about the new CVO Ultra Ltd; I still haven't seen anything mentioning power locks and as I mentioned a few pages back, there's a big vent hole where the windshield bag goes. I may not sleep until I know more about these two items. Okay, maybe I will, but I am curious. Another thing...I really liked the harness that keeps the passing lamps on with the high beams. Did they build this in, and if not, will they have a new harness available to work now that there isn't a passing lamp switch at the bottom of the inner fairing (or maybe there is and the switches are now those buttons I see in the photos)? Also, where is the amplifier? I'm guessing it's in the fairing, as I sure don't see one under the tourpak. Has the cooling system caused any change to the exhaust system routing from the front, that would in turn mean there will be a wait for an aftermarket exhaust system to fit the bike? Finally, it looks like they still didn't make the tourpak lamps into turn signals...just running and brake lights. At least they didn't put the same old hinges on the tourpak. How about that? I had more that two things on my mind after all."exhaust port" for the front "mail slot" Supposed to reduce buffeting.
Only the Limited, CVO Limited, and Tri Glide Ultra have the "Twin Cooling".Steamin' Eagle! I like it!!! :2vrolijk_21:
The CVO Limited bears the dubious distinction of being the first, and thus far ONLY, "Steamin' Eagle"...
I wish I could take credit... but LabRat came up it... and like the MoCo, didn't call any attention to it. Well done!
Ken
I like the idea of water cooling but could anyone imagine opening the glove box in your new car and finding coolant hoses next to the owners manual? Seems like the MOCO may have "rushed" this part of the Rushmore Project.
"exhaust port" for the front "mail slot" Supposed to reduce buffeting.
I now what it's for, but what about a place for a windshield bag?
ACCCKKK! Windshield bags are SOOOO 2013...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj306/ohiobellboy/Smilies/laie_67.gif) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/ohiobellboy/media/Smilies/laie_67.gif.html)
But I still NEED 'em fer my SMOKES... Ta keep 'em DRY!No worries, looks like they got rid of the cigarette lighter anyway. :)
KEN
No worries, looks like they got rid of the cigarette lighter anyway. :)
I now what it's for, but what about a place for a windshield bag?No worries, you get the new improved 2014 model bags.... resembles this smiley a whole lot (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e195/PrimroseSue/Smileys/toothless.gif) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/PrimroseSue/media/Smileys/toothless.gif.html)
I can see it now: 2015 P&A catalog, page 4,249, for water-cooled bikes only, steam whistle replacement for current electric horn. :bananarock::drink:
I can see it now: 2015 P&A catalog, page 4,249, for water-cooled bikes only, steam whistle replacement for current electric horn. :bananarock:Bwaaaaa, chrome of course.
sorry for maybe double posting but I didn't see it here: 2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum.zip (http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php?topic=11173.0;topicseen).
Note: as the Company got so terribly innovative as of lately it's no longer a .pdf but a shockwave-application (ca. 30 MB!), so you may need the latest Shockwave Player (http://get.adobe.com/de/shockwave/) and after unpacking the .zip Datei you will have to start the "NMTF_EN.html" in "2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum".
This may have been mentioned if so sorry. On the electronics who is the manufacturer of the GPS system? If they have switched from Garmin (the worlds leader in aviation, auto and marine) then it is a downgrade from what we have today? Thanks
Oops , sorry, there is one thing I'd like to say - - -ask
How do those of you who bought 2013's feel about the 2014 ?
B B
sorry for maybe double posting but I didn't see it here: 2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum.zip (http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php?topic=11173.0;topicseen).
Note: as the Company got so terribly innovative as of lately it's no longer a .pdf but a shockwave-application (ca. 30 MB!), so you may need the latest Shockwave Player (http://get.adobe.com/de/shockwave/) and after unpacking the .zip Datei you will have to start the "NMTF_EN.html" in "2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum".
Good question......Yes and No -there is no real life data on the new bikes -when I bought the 13 ultra I knew want I was getting into... thanks to forum's like this. I would like some of the upgrades (led lights,linked brakes) but let me ask you a question: would you buy a $40,000 Harley (liquid cooled) with no insight and knowing there past history of what happens when they make supposedly upgrades?No.
Ken
No.
Yes I would
Oops , sorry, there is one thing I'd like to say - - -askThere is going to be a cvo rg for sale really soon!
How do those of you who bought 2013's feel about the 2014 ?
B B
Oops , sorry, there is one thing I'd like to say - - -ask
How do those of you who bought 2013's feel about the 2014 ?
B B
Oh GREAT... won't work on my iPad. I HATE Shockwave.
Only the MoCo would do a new Shockwave bundle in this age of HTML5. This says a lot all by itself... sticking with old, proprietary technology plugins in a standards-based world. Good grief!
:soapbox:
Ken
You would think by now - one way or the other this would no longer be an issue.
Jobs and his animosity have been gone for over a year. And the iPad sure does seem to have become the standard in portable devices.
2014's are a non-issue for me. Once you've ridden a RoadGlide front end, the BatWing has no place in your garage. Handling is far superior. IMHO.
sorry for maybe double posting but I didn't see it here: 2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum.zip (http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php?topic=11173.0;topicseen).
Note: as the Company got so terribly innovative as of lately it's no longer a .pdf but a shockwave-application (ca. 30 MB!), so you may need the latest Shockwave Player (http://get.adobe.com/de/shockwave/) and after unpacking the .zip Datei you will have to start the "NMTF_EN.html" in "2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum".
Just came from dealer. They have about 15 2014 bikes there in various models. I took some pics. Its not an allusion the lid covers on the saddle bags are definitely different shape as is the tour pak. Luggage rack comes from moco but sits really high. Kinda out of place actually. There are definitely vent doors in the lowers next to the radiators that open and close. The vent below the windshield also opens and closes. The dash and controls on handle bars are all redesigned. The A/C cover is not to pretty. New latches all the way around on the tour pak and side bags.
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Is it just the way I'm seeing it, or is the outer fairing different on the Police bike around the new vent system compared to the Street Glide? :nixweiss:
Check out the last 2 pics above and see what you think.
Not just an illusion. Obvious difference.
Just came from dealer. They have about 15 2014 bikes there in various models. I took some pics. Its not an allusion the lid covers on the saddle bags are definitely different shape as is the tour pak. Luggage rack comes from moco but sits really high. Kinda out of place actually. There are definitely vent doors in the lowers next to the radiators that open and close. The vent below the windshield also opens and closes. The dash and controls on handle bars are all redesigned. The A/C cover is not to pretty. New latches all the way around on the tour pak and side bags.
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My thoughts so far are some of the changes I like some I don't. I have to give the MOCO credit they are making changes. Jury is still out on the results. I must ask is it just me or is there a European flare to the styling changes? Especially the tour pak and lid covers on the saddle bags :nixweiss:
Just came from the dealer and it is obvious MOCO has the beancounters in control this year. They have cheapened the bikes in many ways. Look at the saddlebag hardware: everything is plastic now, nothing metal except what is outside, Look at the inner fairing: It is now cheap plastic and very flimsy at that. Look at the new bags and tourpack: they have gone to a rounded design, like the switchback, obviously to cut production costs, they look like a Victory or RoyalStar bag now. Look at the gas cap: There is no lock now. Look at the wheels: Just like the Victory Cross Country.
The only way we can prevent MOCO from going cheap on the most expensive bike out there, is to BOYCOTT BUY THIS BULLchit! Glad I bought a 2013 CVO Roadglide. May have to retire with it.
Shaking my F*#king Head Right Now.
I'm not a production guy, so help me out - how is making the lines in the saddlebags rounder make them cheaper to produce?
I'm not a production guy, so help me out - how is making the lines in the saddlebags rounder make them cheaper to produce?
Switchback has rounded bags, so using rounded bags on Ultra saves money through reuse of parts?
So with the new brake system How will that effect torque braking. Billy
I have a 2013 CVO Ultra and am really happy with it. I have to say though.. I wish mine had that new cool radio and gps all in one like the new ones. Looks pretty cool to me.don't worry it will be available for purchase at a premium price! 8)
I think the audio system and brakes are pretty cool. I am hoping they will come out with the nav system to replace the Zumo 665 for a retro fit.
I'm wondering if the new Bluetooth equipped radio (finally!) comes with a Bluetooth headset? Sena? Scala? Uclear?Still a plug in headset, thank goodness. I hate relying on batteries for too much!
Do the bikes still include the socket to use our existing HD headset dongles?
Still a plug in headset, thank goodness. I hate relying on batteries for too much!
That's something I'd not looked at yet. Is bluetooth with the helmet for output audio and input voice commands even an option?I'm not sure. I don't see why it would be that difficult for them to include it, but I've seen nothing about it. I've only seen reference to phone and audio Bluetooth profiles.
Just came from the dealer and it is obvious MOCO has the beancounters in control this year. They have cheapened the bikes in many ways. Look at the saddlebag hardware: everything is plastic now, nothing metal except what is outside, Look at the inner fairing: It is now cheap plastic and very flimsy at that. Look at the new bags and tourpack: they have gone to a rounded design, like the switchback, obviously to cut production costs, they look like a Victory or RoyalStar bag now. Look at the gas cap: There is no lock now. Look at the wheels: Just like the Victory Cross Country.I'm shaking my head trying to decipher the "newly cheapened" complaints you're throwing out there.
The only way we can prevent MOCO from going cheap on the most expensive bike out there, is to BOYCOTT BUY THIS BULLchit! Glad I bought a 2013 CVO Roadglide. May have to retire with it.
Shaking my F*#king Head Right Now.
I'm shaking my head trying to decipher the "newly cheapened" complaints you're throwing out there.
If you don't like the new look, just say that.
Tossing a bunch of red herrings on the discussion just confuses. The bags have metal hardware only on the outside...really? Mine too. Well, there is the power lock but I think its mostly plastic. My ('10 CUSE5) bags and inner fairing are also plastic. Making new bags rounder doesn't "obviously" save production costs, that's just dumb. I don't have a locking gas cap (thank goodness), did I get cheated? Are Victory wheels "cheap"?
Again: If you don't like the new look, just say that.
I'm not sure. I don't see why it would be that difficult for them to include it, but I've seen nothing about it. I've only seen reference to phone and audio Bluetooth profiles.
:nixweiss:
I found this on their website:
Voice Recognition (Optional), Bluetooth
The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable for pairing your mobile phone orwireless headset. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.
MrSurly = MrMOCO.................. ???
Hadn't seen that yet. Is it possible that they are going to accommodate ALL of us?It is a new world out there!
You obviously don't know MrSurly
A 110 with new problems..... yeah, I want to get in line to get one of those ???
If they really have to go to water cooled, what was wrong with the VRod engine, that seems to be pretty trouble-free? Bump up the size and stick it in a touring frame..... not sure why the MoCo missed that idea :nixweiss:
Anyway, I will just stick with my scooter and watch from the cheap seats :vrolijk_11: :vrolijk_11: :vrolijk_11:
If they really have to go to water cooled, what was wrong with the VRod engine,
I found this on their website:I been lookin all over for this where you find it. Also nowhere can I read that there's a NAV system anywhere, nor did I see anykind of AUX input?
Voice Recognition (Optional), Bluetooth
The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable for pairing your mobile phone or wireless headset. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.
Reliable they seem to be. But, personally, I'd not want to sit on top of one the way a touring bike is ridden. That's the wrong RPM range to be over top of for 800-1000 mile days.
Reliable they seem to be. But, personally, I'd not want to sit on top of one the way a touring bike is ridden. That's the wrong RPM range to be over top of for 800-1000 mile days.
A 2000cc V4 "Tourolution" engine - properly cammed and stroked for low-end torque
That is exactly what I am hoping for in the new Road Glide. Been rumored project Dakota involves a new wider frame. Wonder if that wider frame is to accommodate a V4 hotrod high horsepower motor. That is what I am hoping for and hope to hear about it at the winter dealer meeting this year.
Stay tuned.
What is the cruising (75 mph) RPM of a VRod?
I been lookin all over for this where you find it. Also nowhere can I read that there's a NAV system anywhere, nor did I see anykind of AUX input?
75 mph is going to push 6k. Honestly that engine is fine with that all day long. It's my body on top of it that wants something different. Can't re-gear that engine as is without screwing up what torque it has. The (still) mythical tour-volution wet V-4 with tons of torque (tourque?) and the ability to get chicks.... that could be a winner.... :2vrolijk_21:
OK, THIS is weird:The MoCo probably came here and read what you posted previously and said "oh chit!!" and had it corrected. :oops: :-[ :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
I went back to the site to get you the link....and the wording has CHANGED.
It now says:
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2014 Touring Electra Glide® Ultra Limited Motorcycles Harley-Davidson® Voice Recognition, Bluetooth
Voice Recognition, Bluetooth
The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.
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The words "for pairing your mobile phone or wireless headset. " have been excised from the paragraph.
The graphic still shows a setup screen with 'headset' in it.
on my 2012 model with the garmin I just take if off take it in the house and program my trips in it off the Harley website. do you have to take a laptop to the bike or what. does anybody know anything about it. got my name on one . just wondering.
Right you are Terry. If it does not have functionality to upload routes, well that would be a showstopper for sure.
I'm shaking my head trying to decipher the "newly cheapened" complaints you're throwing out there.
If you don't like the new look, just say that.
Tossing a bunch of red herrings on the discussion just confuses. The bags have metal hardware only on the outside...really? Mine too. Well, there is the power lock but I think its mostly plastic. My ('10 CUSE5) bags and inner fairing are also plastic. Making new bags rounder doesn't "obviously" save production costs, that's just dumb. I don't have a locking gas cap (thank goodness), did I get cheated? Are Victory wheels "cheap"?
Again: If you don't like the new look, just say that.
OK, THIS is weird:
I went back to the site to get you the link (http://"http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/electra-glide-ultra-limited.html#!keyFeatures")....and the wording has CHANGED.
It now says:
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2014 Touring Electra Glide® Ultra Limited Motorcycles Harley-Davidson® Voice Recognition, Bluetooth
Voice Recognition, Bluetooth
The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.
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The words "for pairing your mobile phone or wireless headset. " have been excised from the paragraph.
The graphic still shows a setup screen with 'headset' in it.
MrSurly, have you seen the 2014 bikes in person. If not, just wait. You will come to the same cheap feeling conclusions. The entire feel of the inner fairing, bags and the new fairing vent just reminds you of a Honda or Yamaha. It has nothing to do with looks. Trust me, I want to buy a new bike every 2 years. I like the latest and greatest. this just has me wondering, where do i go from here. Hope the 2016 Road Glide is better.
And it is much cheaper and less technical to build a plastic mold with rounded corners, as opposed to 90 degree angles. Don't take my word for it, just ask someone who does it for a living.
You might be bouncing back and forth between screens for the two different radios. The smaller and base model is 4.5", no nav and 25 watts. Several other functions not there compared to the larger more capable unit that is stock in the new CVO bike.
MrSurly, have you seen the 2014 bikes in person. If not, just wait. You will come to the same cheap feeling conclusions. The entire feel of the inner fairing, bags and the new fairing vent just reminds you of a Honda or Yamaha. It has nothing to do with looks. Trust me, I want to buy a new bike every 2 years. I like the latest and greatest. this just has me wondering, where do i go from here. Hope the 2016 Road Glide is better.
And it is much cheaper and less technical to build a plastic mold with rounded corners, as opposed to 90 degree angles. Don't take my word for it, just ask someone who does it for a living.
Wonder how many of these new screens will be yanked out by a thief?
I see the CVO Limited is 48 lbs. heavier than the Limited. Is the 110 that much heavier than the 103?
On HD's website, I can't see any difference between an FLHX and the FLHXS. Does anyone know?
Cowboy
I see the CVO Limited is 48 lbs. heavier than the Limited. Is the 110 that much heavier than the 103?
Cowboy
flhxs comes with upgraded radio and the abs, trac control are standard. thats all i can see.Painted inner fairing?
flhxs comes with upgraded radio and the abs, trac control are standard. thats all i can see.
I wouldn't think it would be too difficult to add 48 lbs to a bike. I'm guessing the 110 has a separate amp and possibly the 103 is powered only by the head unit itself. You've got little things like saddlebag and tourpak liners that probably aren't on the 103. Every little bit counts. You have 7 more cubic inches on the 110, so there's got to be a little more material making it bigger. I haven't really looked closely at what's offered on the 103, but again I'm guessing it doesn't have power locks, and heated seats. All I'm saying is adding up a pound here and a few pounds there and it doesn't seem like it would be hard to justify 48 lbs of extra weight. Maybe the CVO is a female bike and at the time of weigh-in, was retaining water. :pepper:
... Maybe the CVO is a female bike and at the time of weigh-in, was retaining water. :pepper:
OK, THIS is weird:
I went back to the site to get you the link (http://"http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/electra-glide-ultra-limited.html#!keyFeatures")....and the wording has CHANGED.
It now says:
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2014 Touring Electra Glide® Ultra Limited Motorcycles Harley-Davidson® Voice Recognition, Bluetooth
Voice Recognition, Bluetooth
The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.
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The words "for pairing your mobile phone or wireless headset. " have been excised from the paragraph.
The graphic still shows a setup screen with 'headset' in it.
Liquid cooling and low end torque need not be mutually exclusive...
When I questioned Sony about the lack of headset profiles (HSP) in their mobile radios, they claimed it was a safety issue :nixweiss:
Although I can't play my Sony radio through my Nolan helmet (BT), I can "work" my iPhone connected to the Sony with BT with the handlebar controls and listen via the iPhone BT and helmet :nixweiss:
But, having the iPhone BT connected has other issues, like limited phone connections. So most of the time I leave an iPod connected in th eradio all the time and use an extension cable to the helmet. So much for seamless and wireless.
CB/bigger seat/ seat heaters/power locks/amplifier/heated grips/bag liners/HD luggage/cover/and the big ol' Gold key. We all know Gold is heavy, eh?Gold key making a comeback?
Oh, and then the vent has a button on the inside left to open and close vent.Thanks for this photo best one yet showing the vent from riders viewpoint. Looks like the airstream is going to be directed up along the inside of the windshield vs directly at the rider. It would be interesting to see this concept in a wind tunnel with the vent open and closed (like earlier model batwings).
Tourpack
Yes.
is the TP "wedged" up for shipping?
Thanks for this photo best one yet showing the vent from riders viewpoint. Looks like the airstream is going to be directed up along the inside of the windshield vs directly at the rider. It would be interesting to see this concept in a wind tunnel with the vent open and closed (like earlier model batwings).
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Kinda of sort of what you asked for....
Kinda of sort of what you asked for....
Havent seen anyone point this out yetI did see that last night. I pointed it out on one of the threads but not this one. I do love that feature also. :2vrolijk_21:
I looked at the 2014 at the dealer yesterday. Looks like Harley listened and addressed the issue of bags being stolen. It looks like the pins are shielded and hidden so you can not access them from the outside. :orange: :huepfenjump3: :mango: :bananarock:
Anyway, the aesthetic changes do look good. The bike has a fresh and updated look.
Saw a 2014 Street Glide yesterday at LA Harley in Lewiston Maine. The hole in the fairing below the windshield is not as fugly as I thought it would be but I still don't like it. It's just one more step toward Harleys looking like the metric bikes. But you know, that's just my opinion and I'm not a buyer so my opinion doesn't count for sqaut in the Ivory Tower of H-D Inc's poobahs.I still think they could have made the mail slot less noticible by letting the painted surface recess into the slot, rather than having that black plastic ring encircling the opening, thus making it visible from the outside....hope my description makes sense. Other than the mail slot, the styling changes are subtle and stylish. It does seem (to me anyway) if the MoCo is going to water cooling, they might as well go "all in" and water cool everything. Not really sure if it's worth the effort and expense (expense in initial cost and radiator maintence) for only cooling the exhaust port. Really, if you've got to have a radiator on a bike shouldn't you maximize that by water cooling the entire engine?
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Kinda of sort of what you asked for....Thanks, that gives me a visual. :2vrolijk_21: Now... wonder how one of the freedom, clearview, or other "lipped" windshields will affect those dynamics.
how do you know it is water, it could be oil ?What is oil? If you're talking about the new bikes, it is H2O based, and probably Dex-Cool coolant. They also list thier HD coolant for V-Rod and Twin-Cooled enginges in the P&A catalog.
The number one question: how does the 2014 limited ride and run? If the bike runs stronger and delivers added riding enjoyment; they will have a hit. If the bike requires "adjustments" to run well, I think it will hurt the sales. This bike needs to run well as delivered. No big heat issues, no pinging and adequate power.
Dealer was on the dyno with two 14's yesterday the street glide had 72/89 and the limited had 74/90. :nixweiss: Not a happy dyno either!
Just another pic
I'll believe Steve Cole's dyno numbers more than ANY dealer's...If if feels good by the seat of the pants... :sauer021:...the NUMBERS ;D
Of course, the Limited that Steve dynoed was a CA model... that might be the difference.
Ken
Scott
That is exactly the reason there is a vent.
I have seen the video from Harley and that new vent makes sense.
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SBB
I fully agree it makes sense, and will work for some.
The new wind splitter windshields on the 13 and 14 CVO King are the same concept and Idea, with lots of wind tunnel testing. Talking with other CVO King owners, the wind splitter is great if your 5'8" or less, works just like Harley says. If your like me, 6'2", the wind noise is so loud you can hear the sound system, so loud and so much buffeting I went to a 3/4 helmet and face shield for that bike. I have always just worn a beanie. Still do on my road glide and fatboy.
So I am sure it on the new Bat wing bikes will work great for some riders, but if like most harley designs, not so good for people 5'10" and taller.
I am very curious to see how it works in person on a ride.
BOOM! BOX 4.3
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Anyone know where they came up with the numbering scheme?
Clyde
I think the numbering system is just the screen size.
PS - I almost forgot one of the best features... The amp is no longer under the seat (at least on the Limited and I was informed that the CVO is the same) which is great for those who want a quick release TourPac. :2vrolijk_21:
since you had such extensive experience, maybe you can answer this question. it looks like from the website that the turn signals are integrated into the tourpack and that there are no turn signals mounted by the taillight. i noticed as well that in the p&a catalog, you can purchase solid color matched filler strips.
so, in short, what are those 'holes' in the back for?
Grizzly, when you took the new Limited on your 3 hour hiatus what were your impressions of the "high output 103"? Also what were your impressions of engine heat on the twin cooled motor?
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Actually I didn't really think too much about it being a twin cooled bike, so I guess that means they've done a really good job incorporating it into the new bikes.
Hope this answers your concerns.
Air diverted
I wonder what this is going to do if you install highway pegs? Are your feet/legs going to the hot?Damn good question...???
:oops: :nixweiss:
I wonder what this is going to do if you install highway pegs? Are your feet/legs going to the hot?
:oops: :nixweiss:
I wonder what this is going to do if you install highway pegs? Are your feet/legs going to the hot?
:oops: :nixweiss:
I see a lot of people set their pegs so their heel rests on the boards, I know I do, so there shouldn't be a problem with heat coming from the lower vents. Especially going down the highway.
Cowboy
I wonder what this is going to do if you install highway pegs? Are your feet/legs going to the hot?
:oops: :nixweiss:
So much more of the crash bar is covered by the lower/radiator-housing I actually wasn't sure if we could install highway pegs.
There appears to be just enough room. Now how far you can angle them in for a short legged riders??? I think it can be done, time will tell. Pic 1 CVO Limited
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Appears they may have to stick out some to get around the fairing.
JW
I must say I get a big kick out of some of these posts. Without anybody even trying to put highway pegs on yet, the MOCO is being questioned as to whether they had any rider input. Sure, if you actually can't put highway pegs on, then I would want to know what they were thinking too. From the photos, I don't see any difference from prior years and it looks like they will fit the same as they always have. Does the bike come with them? If so, then I would say that pretty much guarantees that they fit there.
Well, my hour demo ride today turned into a 3 hour journey... My dealer almost put out an A.P.B. on me! When I arrived at the store my dealer handed me the key to his '14 Limited and said to go and have fun. So I did.
Great riding bike for sure.
I really like the new bags and TourPac... Streamline look and easy to operate with one hand.
Very comfortable seat for the rider and can only imagine that the BSR's out there will love their seat as well. Lots more room and great back support.
The "stock" retractable TP lid strap seems way more secure than the accessory one most of us purchased.
Smooth shifting, but certainly no need to have a readout on which gear I'm in.
Mail slot did reduce the buffeting but did not eliminate it. Actually my recurve shield does a much better job.
Speaking of the mail slot, I'm sure many will have their colour matched to hide it from the front and it is a wonder why on the Limited with a painted inner fairing they did not paint the opening slot to match???
Stereo pushes some pretty awesome sound and clearly heard at all speeds.
Many of the handlebar controls have changed locations which was a bit annoying until I got onto them. There is a trigger switch on top of the left switch housing to display the trip meters, DTE, etc. which I completely forgot about, but is a much better place to have it rather than on the inner fairing.
There are 6 switches on the lower inner fairing and the ONLY one that is functional is for the passing lamps??? This would indicate that there's more to come for their uses.
Now for the "infotainment" center and gauges... I wonder how much real life testing has been done? Although the numbers in the speedo and tach are bigger and easier to read, I found them very difficult to read with all the reflection coming off of them. I could see more of myself and the sky behind me than the actual dial. I think with the inner fairing being shallower and gauges more exposed to the sunlight doesn't help and most likely it is also due to the angle which they sit (tipped upward rather than more straight like we're used to - if that makes any sense. Also, the bike I was riding had less than 100 miles on it and I could see so many finger prints all over the 6.5" screen that with the same reflection made it even harder to see what I was suppose to see. Not to mention messing with the screen so much while riding is not the safest thing to be doing.
I also found the whole inner fairing to be rather plain with so much flat plastic everywhere.
There are many new features that I really like, but also many that I question what is the need for a lot of it is? What happened to that saying "screw it, let's ride"? Personally I have no desire to answer my cell phone while riding... After all, part of the reason why I ride is to get away from everyday life, enjoy the scenery and simply enjoy the joy of riding!
I also question why anyone would pay so much more for a CVO when the Limited has almost as much on it, and what it doesn't have you could do for a whole lot less with the exception of the 110 vs. 103. But then again, some would argue that the 103 is a better engine.
Furthermore, I don't know why anyone would buy an Ultra (basically a Classic with lowers) and not a Limited which has so much more? Better stereo, CB, water cooled, etc. I believe the Ultra's days are numbered. The Limited is definitely going to be the big seller this year, IMHO.
All in all, the Limited I rode was a super riding bike with a lot of nice features for both rider and passenger. However I think I will wait till 2015 to purchase a 50th Anniversary Electra Glide and by then any bugs that may appear this year will be addressed.
PS - I almost forgot one of the best features... The amp is no longer under the seat (at least on the Limited and I was informed that the CVO is the same) which is great for those who want a quick release TourPac. :2vrolijk_21:
Excellent point... The H-D website clearly show highway pegs on the CVO Limited.
I must say I get a big kick out of some of these posts. Without anybody even trying to put highway pegs on yet, the MOCO is being questioned as to whether they had any rider input. Sure, if you actually can't put highway pegs on, then I would want to know what they were thinking too. From the photos, I don't see any difference from prior years and it looks like they will fit the same as they always have. Does the bike come with them? If so, then I would say that pretty much guarantees that they fit there.
Why would you be "messing" with the touchscreen while riding?? I was told by the MOCO reps yesterday that the touch screen is de-activated while moving??
Why would you be "messing" with the touchscreen while riding?? I was told by the MOCO reps yesterday that the touch screen is de-activated while moving??
Couple of questions. It seems as though much of the info getting splashed around the site is contradictory. For example: some say the sound system is the same on the CVO Limited and the Ultra Limited but on the comparison chart posted in another thread it shows 25 watts per channel on the Ultra Limited and the Ultra vs. 75 watts on the CVO Limited. It also shows the AMP as standard on the CVO Limited but optional on the other two. Then I read the AMP was still under the TP somewhere here and then it is not.
Personally looked at one in Daytona yesterday (Ultra Limited, Black). There was no AMP under the TP. Did it even have one? Don't know. Heard so much "talk" from 4 different sales people demoing the bike to others that I figured asking anything about the bike wasn't going to gain me any useful information. One sales person even agreed to a this statement from a potential buyer: "So the water cooled heads eliminates the heat on the riders?" ...."yep!" ..."Guaranteed?" ...."yep!"... lol.
Anyway, whats the skinny? AMP under the TP yes or no? 75 vs 25 watts per channel?
A side note: even if the AMP is not located under the TP, I can't see removing it as the turn signals are located in the TP and not on the fender anymore. I can't understand why the wouldn't add that to the fender/saddlebag gap area instead of an open slot.
I too am wondering why pay the extra 10-13k for a CVO....
Why would you be "messing" with the touchscreen while riding?? I was told by the MOCO reps yesterday that the touch screen is de-activated while moving??
There is. It's called "safe mode," or something to that effect. But it is switchable in the settings. Automotive in-dash GPS systems do not have this capability, however, and are always in "safe mode." It will be interesting to see if the new Harley unit has it or not.
Will it let you search for a city / restaurant / gas station while moving?
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A side note: even if the AMP is not located under the TP, I can't see removing it as the turn signals are located in the TP and not on the fender anymore. I can't understand why the wouldn't add that to the fender/saddlebag gap area instead of an open slot.
I too am wondering why pay the extra 10-13k for a CVO....
Wasn't sure, based on the picture, if many of the old fatter clamps would fit. Still not actually. Was actually wondering if perhaps some new skinny clamp type with maybe an extended arm might be in the offing. Something else to buy....
Will the new "Limited" smart phone slot accept Android as well as Apple smartphones? It looks like Apple only; not sure. They sell more Android phones than Apple, not sure why Harley went that way, if they did.
Scott
Well, I stand corrected. I wish mine were as useful when rolling. :(
So much more of the crash bar is covered by the lower/radiator-housing I actually wasn't sure if we could install highway pegs.
Again, just speculating since I've not seen the connector, but I would assume that IF they made a connector for the Apple product "built in" to the radio back end, that you could still hook in via the USB port?
Mine won't do chit when moving either, Brian...all the selections are grayed out.
Pic I saw was just a USB port in there. In to that you could plug an adapter for anything.Saw one at bike night the other night. You're correct. All I saw was a usb plug.
There is. It's called "safe mode," or something to that effect. But it is switchable in the settings. Automotive in-dash GPS systems do not have this capability, however, and are always in "safe mode." It will be interesting to see if the new Harley unit has it or not.
Will it let you search for a city / restaurant / gas station while moving?
There is. It's called "safe mode," or something to that effect. But it is switchable in the settings. Automotive in-dash GPS systems do not have this capability, however, and are always in "safe mode." It will be interesting to see if the new Harley unit has it or not.
Will the new "Limited" smart phone slot accept Android as well as Apple smartphones? It looks like Apple only; not sure. They sell more Android phones than Apple, not sure why Harley went that way, if they did.
Scott
That slot is pretty deep, I'm going to guess at least 7" long
Couple of questions. It seems as though much of the info getting splashed around the site is contradictory. For example: some say the sound system is the same on the CVO Limited and the Ultra Limited but on the comparison chart posted in another thread it shows 25 watts per channel on the Ultra Limited and the Ultra vs. 75 watts on the CVO Limited. It also shows the AMP as standard on the CVO Limited but optional on the other two. Then I read the AMP was still under the TP somewhere here and then it is not.
Personally looked at one in Daytona yesterday (Ultra Limited, Black). There was no AMP under the TP. Did it even have one? Don't know. Heard so much "talk" from 4 different sales people demoing the bike to others that I figured asking anything about the bike wasn't going to gain me any useful information. One sales person even agreed to a this statement from a potential buyer: "So the water cooled heads eliminates the heat on the riders?" ...."yep!" ..."Guaranteed?" ...."yep!"... lol.
Anyway, whats the skinny? AMP under the TP yes or no? 75 vs 25 watts per channel?
A side note: even if the AMP is not located under the TP, I can't see removing it as the turn signals are located in the TP and not on the fender anymore. I can't understand why the wouldn't add that to the fender/saddlebag gap area instead of an open slot.
I too am wondering why pay the extra 10-13k for a CVO....
Pic I saw was just a USB port in there. In to that you could plug an adapter for anything.
Are you guys sure you don't have a menu somewhere to take them out of safe mode? I don't know what kind of vehicles you are driving, but I'll be checking on that before I buy a new vehicle now. There's a pretty good price differential to have the built-in GPS and I wouldn't be real happy if I had to stop every time I wanted to change something on a route, like looking for a gas station.
Again, just speculating since I've not seen the connector, but I would assume that IF they made a connector for the Apple product "built in" to the radio back end, that you could still hook in via the USB port?does this help?
The Moco website can be a bit difficult. It has errors and is constantly being changed.Yeah, I saw that also. Hope the guys/gals on the assembly line know the difference. :nervous:
The following screenshot shows the wrong AC for the CVO Ltd with the correct text.
Actually I didn't really think too much about it being a twin cooled bike, so I guess that means they've done a really good job incorporating it into the new bikes.
I won't pay $289 for the "LockPick" mentioned by Porthole though.
Could you hear the fans running in the lowers? I've had bikes in the past with radiators and when the fans kicked in you could hear them over the engine but they were metrics and much quieter than a V-twin.
-Theugly ass filler orlack of filler panels between the rear fender and bags, WTF! :'(
-New tour pak is fixed permanently due to the fricken stop and running lights being integrated. No more Ultras stripped down to look like a SG.
Bye, Bye 2007 CVO Ultra, here comes a new 14 Limited. I made the mistake of taking one of the new Limited twin cooled bikes for a test drive. For me; I was really amazed at the difference. much more comfortable, very responsive, everything felt tight and right......It just fit me!.... My dealer made me what I considered a fair offer for my 07 and a fair deal on the new 14. I am not going to discuss actual numbers, just that I was happy.Post some pics when you can. And some with that big ol smile on your face. ;D har. spyder
I know this was nuts, I really liked my 07. I just felt the 14 Limited provide enough upgrade to be worth the difference in cash. I went with the Blue custom paint option, should have by the end of the week.
For me, I could not justify the difference in money for the 14 CVO over the limited, again, that is me. Hope I can hang around the site, I have really enjoyed everyone's comments for the past 7 years.
Thanks, Scott
So I visited my local dealer today to see the new bikes in person. Saw the SG Special, regular SG, Ultra, Ultra Limited, CVO Ultra Limited, and a CVO Road King. I won't be parting ways with my '12 this year for sure.
Likes:
-Infotainment system. (I am 38 years old so I will always love a bike with more tech)
-Twin Cooled motor
On the fence:
-New bag lids. Don't like the shape or the fact that they have a worthless reflector stuck to the side of them even though they open from an inside latch on the opposite side now. Like the new way they open. Hate the fact that the CVO Ultra bags are not stretched????
-New fairing, just not sure about it.
Dislikes:
-Paint schemes, nothing grabbed me.
-New SG Special wheels, yuk
-New inner fairing just doesn't look as good as the old layout to me.
-The ugly ass filler or lack of filler panels between the rear fender and bags, WTF! :'(
-New tour pak is fixed permanently due to the fricken stop and running lights being integrated. No more Ultras stripped down to look like a SG.
I am so glad I bought my '12. For those of you that love the new bikes, enjoy! Just not for me.
Well I am not a fan of Road Kings but having said that, it was the best looking '14 IMO. The new CVO taillights though, ugh! So hideous...
what did you think of the cvo roadking
Bye, Bye 2007 CVO Ultra, here comes a new 14 Limited. I made the mistake of taking one of the new Limited twin cooled bikes for a test drive. For me; I was really amazed at the difference. much more comfortable, very responsive, everything felt tight and right......It just fit me!.... My dealer made me what I considered a fair offer for my 07 and a fair deal on the new 14. I am not going to discuss actual numbers, just that I was happy.
I know this was nuts, I really liked my 07. I just felt the 14 Limited provide enough upgrade to be worth the difference in cash. I went with the Blue custom paint option, should have by the end of the week.
For me, I could not justify the difference in money for the 14 CVO over the limited, again, that is me. Hope I can hang around the site, I have really enjoyed everyone's comments for the past 7 years.
Thanks, Scott
So much more of the crash bar is covered by the lower/radiator-housing I actually wasn't sure if we could install highway pegs.
Loving my silver oneThat is a very sexy looking ride.
Loving my silver one
Loving my silver oneAnd a great looking garage!
...each new model year seems to see the classic H-D lines being changed enough that in a couple years a H-D will look like a big Yamaha or other metric bikes. The best description I can give is they look "puffy".To me it still looks like a classic Harley big touring bike. I think they have done a good job making design changes while maintaining the "look." Not loving the color choices, but I still think it's a great looking bike.
REALLY Dig the new saddle bag release and the tour pack release. All LED lights and the courtesy lights come on as you unlock the bags with fob and stay on until you lock. sound system is outstanding even at freeway speed. and yes there are highway pegs!
REALLY Dig the new saddle bag release and the tour pack release. All LED lights and the courtesy lights come on as you unlock the bags with fob and stay on until you lock. sound system is outstanding even at freeway speed. and yes there are highway pegs!
Dang, you had to go and post a photo of the blue one didn't you? I've been purposely avoiding looking at that one.Come on Phato its only MOULA... ;D
That is a gorgeous bike -- IMHO
Congratulations :2vrolijk_21:
Loving my silver one
I just noticed something on the CVO Limited's...
As nice as they are - beautiful rides, I'm wondering what the heck happened to the colour match TP light trim?
Now I wonder how long it will take someone to "step up to the plate" and be the first to fix it?
Just wondering.
PS - I didn't like the chrome trim from the past couple of years as much as the painted, but would take it over the new look for sure.
Just sayin'.
New Tourpack lights. I put on the turn signal so you could get an idea of how bright they are. My wife drove behind me in a car, she said the brake lights and turn signals really stand out. 2014 Limited.Nice ride, the filler between the saddle bags and the fender appears to be open in the middle, is that so? And where are the rear signals?
I mean this as no insult or put down in any way, so before y'all get your undies in a bunch, go back and read this sentence again. This entire post is probably not the most PC thing I could have come up with on a Sunday morning.
I would like to know of the people who think these new bikes are beautiful, how many Harleys you've owned. When did you buy your first one and so forth. That's not to say that if you bought your 1st bike 10 years ago that your opinion isn't of value. NOR, is to disrespect you if you're new to the sport. My only intent here is to see if there's any correlation between those who don't like the new models and their years of ownership. For myself, my 1st new Harley was a 1984 FLH, bought on August 24th, 1983. I remember that because I bought the bike on my wife's birthday. So that makes the 2014 models, the 30th year I've been looking at new bikes with quite a few bought in between. Not to say I don't go back further than that in loving H-D's. I still dream of owning a Dual-Glide. In any event, my opinion that what I personally consider the "look" of Harley-Davidson slowing becoming blurred is just that- - MY opinion. I feel it's based on falling in love with a 1966 Electra-Glide when I was about 14 and always having THAT look in my head.
So anyway, I know from reading your posts that some of you who like the new models have had a Harley for 20 years. Overall, how does this stack up ?
Ok gimme a second to put on a goalie's mask
B B
Nice ride, the filler between the saddle bags and the fender appears to be open in the middle, is that so? And where are the rear signals?
Well, I finally got to see the '14s up close and personal today. We rode down to Killer Creek in Roswell and looked everything over.
I looked at a CVO Road King, a Street Glide, a Road King, a Breakout, a Dyna Wide Glide, an Ultra, and a Limited.
My impression now is: THESE NEW MACHINES ARE SIMPLY BEAUTIFUL! They really are.
The new lines of the front fender, the fairing and inner fairing, the saddlebags, and the Tour Pak are very modern and sleek looking.
I have never been a fan of grays... but this Limited in the Charcoal Pearl and Vivid Black looked absolutely gorgeous... very stately and elegant. Kind of an Anti-Honey Badger...
The colors are not as vivid as in previous years, though.... and the Amber Whiskey was a little disappointing. It just wasn't ORANGE enough for me. Pretty though, with a lot more yellow in it than I was expecting it to be from the pictures I've seen.
They only had the one CVO... the Road King. It was pretty, but for less money I would buy the Limited any day, and get a LOADED bike. Oh, and they had that SERK stickered at a whopping $33,499... $5000 OVER MSRP! :vrolijk27: :stop: No thank you! I'd buy the Limited for $27K ANY DAY!
Ken
The area that appears to be open is, in fact, the rear signal...
Not on the few I looked at. The open areas between the saddlebag and fender are just that...open areas.
Be a good place to put some more L.E.D. lights :2vrolijk_21:Or more speakers. :huepfenlol2: spyder
Nice ride, the filler between the saddle bags and the fender appears to be open in the middle, is that so? And where are the rear signals?The demo one we rode yesterday had the standard Ultra turn signal bar on it. Interesting. I've read on one of the forums that lights are in the works for that area. Should be interesting to see what they come up with. Also kind of curios how they're going to manage that with the International models. Don't some countries require amber turn signals?
Smokey Mtn. H-D had a SERK @ 28 or 29,900St. Charles HD also has one at list.
Not on the few I looked at. The open areas between the saddlebag and fender are just that...open areas.
Are we talking about the same area? The area between the bags and fender - aren't those black area's on the fillers some type of lighting or reflector? Or are we speaking of something different?Same area. It's just an empty hole right now. I guess to make it easier to stick a hose in there and wash the inside of the bags without taking them off. :nixweiss:
Or more speakers. :huepfenlol2: spyderThen two in front facing forward and have true surround sound :huepfenlol2:
Are we talking about the same area? The area between the bags and fender - aren't those black area's on the fillers some type of lighting or reflector? Or are we speaking of something different?
They are indeed great big ugly HOLES, and you can look right in them and see the shocks, swing arm, etc.Ken the answer is obvious. You just need to ponder on it for a moment...........
Why wouldn't they have blocked these up with SOMETHING?
Ken
Smokey Mtn. H-D had a SERK @ 28 or 29,900
Ken the answer is obvious. You just need to ponder on it for a moment...........
Oh, I know, Greg... more P&A revenue. "Let's just leave these giant ugly HOLES back here, and then we'll sell $499 turn signal kits to fill them!"
In other words... Thinly-Veiled Contempt For The Customer.
Ken
Are we talking about the same area? The area between the bags and fender - aren't those black area's on the fillers some type of lighting or reflector? Or are we speaking of something different?
Isn't that a demo bike? No plate nor bracket for a plate. Here are two that have been purchased and posted:The two you have pictured are CVO's.. the one below (and in Scott's post) are regular production Ultra Limiteds...
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=87651.0;attach=246672;image)
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82752.0;attach=246654;image)
Isn't that a demo bike? No plate nor bracket for a plate. Here are two that have been purchased and posted:
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=87651.0;attach=246672;image)
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82752.0;attach=246654;image)
Isn't that a demo bike? No plate nor bracket for a plate. Here are two that have been purchased and posted:
The plate on them is mounted above the tail light like in years past.
Or are we speaking of something different?
The CVO Limited is done right... with color-matched filler panels and turn signals.
It's only the non-CVO Ultra Limited that has those big holes back there... and no turn signals except in the Tour Pak.
Ken
Amber Whiskey Street Glide... Pretty color, but rather plain-looking in a solid color with no graphics...
Are we all losing it or is the MOCO playing tricks with our heads? I was just looking at Harley's website, at the new CVO Limited, and the main photo of the bike has HIGHWAY PEGS on it. After all the discussion about this, was this there the entire time? http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html# (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#)
Are we all losing it or is the MOCO playing tricks with our heads? I was just looking at Harley's website, at the new CVO Limited, and the main photo of the bike has HIGHWAY PEGS on it. After all the discussion about this, was this there the entire time? http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html# (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#)
Are we all losing it or is the MOCO playing tricks with our heads? I was just looking at Harley's website, at the new CVO Limited, and the main photo of the bike has HIGHWAY PEGS on it. After all the discussion about this, was this there the entire time? http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html# (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#)
Just not as obvious when folded up. Unless I'm not looking at it correctly, I would think that actually using those highway pegs would be great for warming your feet in cold weather, but probably not real great when riding in 95 plus weather. It appears the radiator vents will blow right at your ankles. :nixweiss:
Jerry
Just not as obvious when folded up. Unless I'm not looking at it correctly, I would think that actually using those highway pegs would be great for warming your feet in cold weather, but probably not real great when riding in 95 plus weather. It appears the radiator vents will blow right at your ankles. :nixweiss:
Jerry
When I test rode the Limited I also was concerned about that, but after sitting on the bike I don't believe it will be an issue... Heat rises and your feet and legs should comfortably rest just a tad below the openings. At least it appeared that way from where I was sitting. The bike I rode did not have pegs installed, but I just imagined where they would be and where my feet would be positioned.
Possibly one of the new CVO Limited owners can confirm this.
man, that heat would have to rise extremely fast when you are cruising down the highway and the vents are only inches from you ankles?? I am thinking that the wind will blow that heat straight back onto your ankles, and any passengers legs at 80 MPH. Could be wrong, but that is my thought on the matter.
Although it was only in the mid 70's when I had my demo ride, I couldn't feel much heat coming out of the vents, so I really don't see it being a big concern at all. But the riders in the deep south may have it different.
Are we all losing it or is the MOCO playing tricks with our heads? I was just looking at Harley's website, at the new CVO Limited, and the main photo of the bike has HIGHWAY PEGS on it. After all the discussion about this, was this there the entire time? http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html# (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#)
Are we all losing it or is the MOCO playing tricks with our heads? I was just looking at Harley's website, at the new CVO Limited, and the main photo of the bike has HIGHWAY PEGS on it. After all the discussion about this, was this there the entire time? http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html# (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#)Note the disclaimer under the pix.
I have a 2014 Ultra Limited and plan on adding highway pegs. There is plenty of room. I plan on buying the Harley Davidson Extended Adjustable peg mounts.
MAN, I really LIKE that custom blue with the black graphics on your Limited! That's very PRETTY!Hell Yea X2
Ken
I have a 2014 Ultra Limited and plan on adding highway pegs. There is plenty of room. I plan on buying the Harley Davidson Extended Adjustable peg mounts.
The two you have pictured are CVO's.. the one below (and in Scott's post) are regular production Ultra Limiteds...Here is how the rear end looks on International bikes.(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82752.0;attach=246741;image)
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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It sure has been quiet regarding the 2014's?? Changes??? Models?? Will they bring back the SG?? Should be fun to watch what happens this year
Is that true that there are speakers in the saddlebags? Hadn't heard that anywhere before.
I don't think there's a single model with that this year. I've seen them all over the interwebs and several in person. I've yet to see a speaker in the bag. They do have the lids in the catalog, so maybe someone saw one of them and got confused?The CVO limited only had 4 speakers... :-\
:nixweiss:
Got to see the innards of the '14 batwing this afternoon. Interesting changes. Like the surround in back of the speaker to give it more umph.
Oh, by the way, they had it removed trying to get the brand new radio on the brand new bike to work from the factory :huepfenlol2:
Wow! That pic REALLY shows how CANBUS has so greatly simplified the wiring... there are WAY fewer wires in the fairing than there are in the pre-2014 Touring bikes.
Ken