Topic: My "YELLOWBIRD" 117" Pro Race Kit (Pictures) (Read 11000 times)

YELLOWBIRD · « **on:** March 31, 2016, 07:40:54 AM »

After about 7 weeks of being without my bike, my Road Glide finally made its way back home this past Saturday before Easter.

Back tracking, no one at the time had results or any bad experience with the new kit. This was for sure a "Beta" test for the MoCo and I decide to go for it!

Road Dawgs Breakout came out first and that was great news and great results. Then the "out of round" jugs issue started to show up. Well, I was to far into it to stop.

I decide to address the crank issue and had it shipped Dark Horse. (I know that S&S would have been a much easier route, but I was on a tight budget) Dark Horse did everything to my crank, so for now I feel a bit more comfy regarding it being able to handle the new upgrade. Btw, this took most of the time for the build, about 3-4 weeks time including travel there and back.

During this time we started to hear about the cylinder problems. I too was a victim of getting a set of jugs that were "out of round". Thank goodness I mention this to my wrench as they just installed two 117" kits on show room bikes and mine was the first for a customer. They had the MoCo over night a new set of jugs. And guess what?.....same results but better then the first set of jugs.

Long story short, I was able to get the jugs sent out to a local guy who has honed out many of HD jugs and jap bikes. Fixed with zero problems! And my dealer sent the bill to MoCo to take care of the bill!

I declined to install the stock cams and went with GMR 577 cams & Lifters, AV&V 600" spring. Also everything is new on the inside from clutch, SE Comp, chain tensioner, stator, so it's like a new motor from the bottom up.

I decide to add a SE Timken bearing to secure a better bottom end. Now the only thing I didn't do was get the heads done. I have seen some good results so far with just the kit. Also, my goal was to have a dependable touring rig with more torque and not to crazy.

YB

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2016, 07:49:24 AM »

Day one.

YB

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2016, 07:58:07 AM »

New crank & SE Timken installed.

YB

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:00:23 AM »

Other side.

YB

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:01:54 AM »

Bottom end finished.

YB

tpcrawford · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:13:11 AM »

Can't wait to see the end result !!

-Tim

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #6 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:15:45 AM »

Having a hell of a time on the IPad loading pictures!

Sux as I have a bunch but to large.

YB

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:28:40 AM »

All done and here's the results. Again, I wanted just a bit more. Reliability, well time will tell. I can say that it starts up real fast and idles down pretty good, shifts real smooth and to ME pulls pretty damn good!

Uncorrected numbers.

YB

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:31:15 AM »

Again, this was done on a budget, and maybe next year I will do the heads and throttle body work.

SAE numbers.

YB

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:39:36 AM »

I should add that I have Fullsac "B" X-Pipe, 2.5 CVO cores, and the old black TTS Turner.

Thanks to Steve at Fullsac for some help and thanks to Steve at GMR for taking time out for your help as well! (I still will take a picture of those a "Yellow Chucks" on the surfboard for you, when it get warmer!!!)

Thanks for looking?

YB

GMR-PERFORMANCE · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:41:28 AM »

Curve still looks wrong to me , the old tuner is no big deal its just a SERT style tuner nothing changed much there maybe one or two options I would have to pull up a old map to compare ( sheets said super tuner) I have not tuned a B pipe is years , and 2.5 cores , AFR is not great the line is very crushed but that is a big change its fat down low then hits over 14 at one point, and if one cylinder looks like this what does the other look like?? Did they install the 02 sensor into the pipe or use the sniffer tube?

hosted it for you

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:47:55 AM »

Quote from: GMR-PERFORMANCE on March 31, 2016, 08:41:28 AM

Curve still looks wrong to me , the old tuner is no big deal its just a SERT I have not tuned a B pipe is years , and 2.5 cores I thought the sheet said 2.0 ?

Steve,

Not sure why the sheet said SERT as I was there with the TTS when tuning. And I just looked at the sheet again, nothing regarding the 2.5" or 2.25" Baffles.

YB

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:50:40 AM »

Sniffer tube.

YB

GMR-PERFORMANCE · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:51:33 AM »

My mistake on the cores I was trying to move the sheet around to read it

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:53:33 AM »

Steve,

When talking with you, I thought that the numbers would be a bit more per our conversation.

YB

GMR-PERFORMANCE · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:57:52 AM »

So it has a 2.5 core muffler correct ? if so I would suggest a smaller core myself. Again the B pipe is rather small if I recall correctly something is not playing well there . I thought you had the D pipe not B , but even still ... and yes I think that the tune is leaving a fair amount tq wise on the table .

Just did this one DX 2.0 our cam nothing else so 110 at 9.3 comp ratio ish look at the curve hits hard down low and takes off.. yours should do the same thing .

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2016, 09:11:38 AM »

It's a vast improvement from before. However, I was expecting to see at least 20TQ more down low.

I do have have a set of 2.25" cores and looks like a visit to a different dyno is in th future.

YB

MrSurly · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2016, 09:26:32 AM »

Congrats on the new build! It does look like you'll need to address a pipe issue, but hey, at least that's external AND its not critical. Looks like you have a fun ride and many smiles ahead!

FlaHeatWave · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2016, 10:05:49 AM »

Congrats on the 117 Build

I agree, 'think going to smaller cores and some tweeking of the Tune will bring the left (of the curve) up towards where it should be... Should be making 100 ft/lbs much sooner...

Keep us Posted

KC2GIW · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2016, 10:08:11 AM »

I think we're in similar situations with the kit.

I still haven't ridden it and compared to my STg1 flashed 103 with V&H HO's, I'm sure i'll be very pleased - but I think we both are suffering from exhaust issues.

I just really really like the tone of the bigger cores. I have my stock pipes still - may install some smaller cores and have them put it back on the dyno to see what happens, too.

Either way, congrats on the build and thanks for the pics!

RoadDawg · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2016, 11:10:56 AM »

Quote from: YELLOWBIRD on March 31, 2016, 09:11:38 AM

It's a vast improvement from before. However, I was expecting to see at least 20TQ more down low.

I do have have a set of 2.25" cores and looks like a visit to a different dyno is in th future.

YB

Yellowbird, our numbers are very close to mine, but my Bassani pipes did produce more torque down low. I think you can get over 110 tq between 2000 and 2500 rpm with different pipes. Looking good! Congratulations on the upgrade.

cvo1717 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2016, 12:10:41 PM »

congrats on the build your going to love it

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2016, 02:17:03 PM »

Thanks for the kind words from all!

Again big thanks again to Fullsacs & GMR. (Steve & Steve)

Hopefully I am about 85% to where I need to be on this built. Looks like it's time to get rid of the "B" pipe and get back to the future with the "D" X-pipe and the 2.0" CVO baffles!!!

And a new visit to another Dyno.

Quote: "I swear honey, once I buy this CVO, I WON'T have to do anything else to this bike!!!"

Time for a drink!

YB

Ridgerunr · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2016, 05:05:47 PM »

" "D" X-pipe and the 2.0" CVO baffles!!!"

That should help get rid of the large dip, along with a tuner who will sample up by the head and spend enough time on the tune. You've done everything else by the book

pipe and tune will finish it off.

North Star · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2016, 05:12:31 PM »

Quote from: YELLOWBIRD on March 31, 2016, 07:40:54 AM

After about 7 weeks of being without my bike, my Road Glide finally made its way back home this past Saturday before Easter.

Back tracking, no one at the time had results or any bad experience with the new kit. This was for sure a "Beta" test for the MoCo and I decide to go for it!

Road Dawgs Breakout came out first and that was great news and great results. Then the "out of round" jugs issue started to show up. Well, I was to far into it to stop.

I decide to address the crank issue and had it shipped Dark Horse. (I know that S&S would have been a much easier route, but I was on a tight budget) Dark Horse did everything to my crank, so for now I feel a bit more comfy regarding it being able to handle the new upgrade. Btw, this took most of the time for the build, about 3-4 weeks time including travel there and back.

During this time we started to hear about the cylinder problems. I too was a victim of getting a set of jugs that were "out of round". Thank goodness I mention this to my wrench as they just installed two 117" kits on show room bikes and mine was the first for a customer. They had the MoCo over night a new set of jugs. And guess what?.....same results but better then the first set of jugs.

Long story short, I was able to get the jugs sent out to a local guy who has honed out many of HD jugs and jap bikes. Fixed with zero problems! And my dealer sent the bill to MoCo to take care of the bill!

I declined to install the stock cams and went with GMR 577 cams & Lifters, AV&V 600" spring. Also everything is new on the inside from clutch, SE Comp, chain tensioner, stator, so it's like a new motor from the bottom up.

I decide to add a SE Timken bearing to secure a better bottom end. Now the only thing I didn't do was get the heads done. I have seen some good results so far with just the kit. Also, my goal was to have a dependable touring rig with more torque and not to crazy.

YB

Did the HD dealer measure with their "super-duper-special-secret-exclusive" torque plates installed?

Impressed that they flipped the bill for their admittedly out of round jugs. I'd say they deserve a shout out by name- sound like a good dealer.

Glad you're happy with the ride. I'd say as long as you are happy and it's running cool and efficiently, no rush to switch out the pipes and re-tune right away.

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #25 on:** March 31, 2016, 05:38:36 PM »

Quote from: North Star on March 31, 2016, 05:12:31 PM

Did the HD dealer measure with their "super-duper-special-secret-exclusive" torque plates installed?

Impressed that they flipped the bill for their admittedly out of round jugs. I'd say they deserve a shout out by name- sound like a good dealer.

Glad you're happy with the ride. I'd say as long as you are happy and it's running cool and efficiently, no rush to switch out the pipes and re-tune right away.

Funny thing is. Like most dealers that would install the kit. They did just that!
However, when we (service manger) first started talking about this new 117" bolt on kit they had already did a CVO limited. When I dropped off mine, they started to work on a Faboy S model. With respect, they had to keep both stock bikes with the original stock headers and pipes.

It was about that time, this great forum started to buzz about the "out of Round" jugs that the MoCo was producing. They could figure why the Fatboy S was only getting 80 HP. They put it on the Dyno, and the dip stick flew out of the oil pan. They opened it up and the piston was F%#KED up!!!

Since my bike was the first true customers bike that they did, along with what I told them about the jugs and the Fatboy S that went south, they measured all the HD jugs there after.

As far as super duper, top secret, out of stock toque plate. The shop Forman used the one he had.

I am happy with the bike, it truly is a different bike then the 110" before.

HOWEVER, IF I can be HAPPIER. I don't want to leave anything on the table.

I'm almost there!

YB

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2016, 05:43:29 PM »

Quote from: Ridgerunr on March 31, 2016, 05:05:47 PM

" "D" X-pipe and the 2.0" CVO baffles!!!"

That should help get rid of the large dip, along with a tuner who will sample up by the head and spend enough time on the tune. You've done everything else by the book pipe and tune will finish it off.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Rrunr!

As you typed this, I was on the phone to Fullsac ordering the "D" Pipe & 2.0" CVO Baffles!

Like I said before, I'm about 85% done with this build. Well now about 90% done, now to get a better tune!!!! Lol.

Time for another drink or two..........

YB

OBB · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2016, 06:14:56 PM »

Sounds like it'll be pretty much bullet proof once you finish it off and should be a great ride. Chad from Wide Open Cycles is also on this forum and he's in Northern VA. Not sure how close that is to you but it may be worth looking into. He seems to have some repore(sic) with a few of the builders on here.

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #28 on:** March 31, 2016, 06:26:59 PM »

Quote from: OBB on March 31, 2016, 06:14:56 PM

Sounds like it'll be pretty much bullet proof once you finish it off and should be a great ride. Chad from Wide Open Cycles is also on this forum and he's in Northern VA. Not sure how close that is to you but it may be worth looking into. He seems to have some repore(sic) with a few of the builders on here.

Actually OBB, that's who I'm going to go see. Seen some really good reports on Chad @ W.O.C.

He's about a 3-3.5 hours north of me.

Next Thursday or Friday I should have my new X pipe & Baffles and hopefully off to a new tune.

Good looking out & for the heads up and the kind words.

YB

DCFIREMANN · « **Reply #29 on:** March 31, 2016, 07:35:27 PM »

Wide Open Cycles is located in Fredericksburg Va. Don't know much about them. Hopefully they can you on the straight and narrow.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #30 on:** March 31, 2016, 07:48:03 PM »

Thanks DCFire.

Yeah I tried to call already. It's after hours right now. Will try tomorrow.

Yeah he only 2.5 hours away from Virginia Beach OceanFront to his door. I'm thinking 3 hours from my door step to his. Actually with all the BS Road repairs on I-64, I-295, and I-95 and the rig behind in the trailer, I'm thinking 3.5 hours.

Thanks again!

YB

98fxstc · « **Reply #31 on:** March 31, 2016, 07:54:11 PM »

Chad knows how to tune
Better ring first (or ring now and book in)
No point spending money on a build and getting a dealer tune
Get a pro tune

backroad Mike · « **Reply #32 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:09:32 PM »

Quote from: YELLOWBIRD on March 31, 2016, 07:48:03 PM

Thanks DCFire.

Yeah I tried to call already. It's after hours right now. Will try tomorrow.

Yeah he only 2.5 hours away from Virginia Beach OceanFront to his door. I'm thinking 3 hours from my door step to his. Actually with all the BS Road repairs on I-64, I-295, and I-95 and the rig behind in the trailer, I'm thinking 3.5 hours.

Thanks again!

YB

Take route 17. It's not as fast, but it's much more enjoyable ride and you won't be out there in the battle zone on I-64 and I-95 trying to get here..

Chad will be doing the tune on my Genesis 577, HDSP heads, 113 build once I get it reassembled. Post up when your coming and maybe we can grab a cold one while he's doing his magic.

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #33 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:20:10 PM »

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking going that way! I guess because my main office is in Richmond.

Yeah I love the 2 lane ride up on RT 17. That the way I go up towards Colonial Beach (bike rally) which I was just their 3 weeks ago for work. Actually it's quicker too.

It's a killer ride, nice and lazy and NO TRAFFIC. Execept for going through the tube!

Thanks for the reminder.

YB

Ridgerunr · « **Reply #34 on:** April 01, 2016, 07:45:14 AM »

Chad used to work in Ohio, Roeders HD, he' done a lot of performance work, outstanding powdercoat, and is a very good tuner. He'll take good care of you.

luc.who · « **Reply #35 on:** April 02, 2016, 07:45:25 AM »

YB congrats... watching this thread to see what Chad does for you. He tuned my 2012 SE3 and I also recommend him. I drove 3 hours and would do it again. Reach him and talk to him before you go, he typically likes to re-check the tune cold. Also mention the forum he may offer you a discount! Be sure to tell him you are traveling a few hours... Chad will take care of you.

2BAGGR · « **Reply #36 on:** April 04, 2016, 09:01:54 AM »

Good luck... on getting the new tune... A friend just did the 117 drop in kit to a 2015 CVO Street Glide... Curious to see how the Wet Head Motor performs on the dyno...

East Coast · « **Reply #37 on:** April 06, 2016, 11:58:30 AM »

Me too... please update us when you have some details.

HD Street Performance · « **Reply #38 on:** April 06, 2016, 12:53:56 PM »

Chad is a good tuner

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #39 on:** April 06, 2016, 01:05:11 PM »

Cool thanks Guys.

Spoke to Chad last week about tuning. Just waiting 9 my new Full sac stuff to arr8ve.

Will keep everyone posted!

YB

BostonboyDH · « **Reply #40 on:** April 06, 2016, 02:12:50 PM »

Quote from: YELLOWBIRD on April 06, 2016, 01:05:11 PM

Cool thanks Guys.

Spoke to Chad last week about tuning. Just waiting 9 my new Full sac stuff to arr8ve.

Will keep everyone posted!

YB

backroad Mike · « **Reply #41 on:** April 07, 2016, 08:55:52 PM »

Right now, the biggest issue is where does he park all the bikes.

I stopped by after lunch on my way back to the office today. 3 or 4 more bikes than were there last Saturday. Sounds like the word is spreading.

SSTuner · « **Reply #42 on:** April 08, 2016, 06:37:07 AM »

Haven't met Chad personally yet, but have talked on another forum (HDF). His shop is only 35 minutes down the road from me and I will be visiting him soon as soon as I put some more miles on my Pro Street.

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #43 on:** April 08, 2016, 06:58:17 AM »

Well, getting closer. New Fullsac D pipe and 2.0 CVO Baffles should be here today. Hopefully this weekend, I should be able to swap out the B pipe and 2.5. CVO Baffles!

And then, I can set a time to go see Chad!

YB

SSTuner · « **Reply #44 on:** April 08, 2016, 07:05:23 AM »

YB, let me know when your meeting Chad, so we can possible meet up and have some lunch.

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #45 on:** April 08, 2016, 07:13:25 AM »

Quote from: SSTuner on April 08, 2016, 07:05:23 AM

YB, let me know when your meeting Chad, so we can possible meet up and have some lunch.

10-4!

Once I check mine and Chads schedule, I'll PM you and let you know when that time is.

YB

YELLOWBIRD · « **Reply #46 on:** May 05, 2016, 08:04:56 AM »

Hey gang,

Just wanted to give an update.
I had a small oil leak on my back cyclinder down low where the jugs and case connect. Simple fix that my dealer stood behind and fixed! O ring was the problem.

By upgrading my "B" X-Pipe and 2.5" Baffles to "D" X-Pipe and 2.0" Baffles, it looks like I picked up 10TQ down low from before. (Dyno run only)

Due to my work schedule, it looks like I won't be able to see Chad for my final Dyno tune until the 2nd week of June.

Have about 600ish grin filled miles so far.
And like everyone else that has already commented about their 117" build, it was worth every bit of $$$ for this upgrade!!! I am glad, that I did the bottom end work for safe measures. The clutch seems to be working flawlessly and has very good slow speed manors. Slightly different feel down low, but that was expected.

Can't wait to see what Chad can do with the final tune!

Truly, this is how all CVOs should come from the factory. I'm sure in another year or two, all CVOs will be this way from the MoCo.

Anyone on the fence, just do it!!!!!

Enjoy!

YB

SSTuner · « **Reply #47 on:** May 05, 2016, 08:13:39 AM »

Glad the builder/dealer stood behind their install of the 117 kit. I'm so impressed with the 110 in my CVO Pro Street that I would be afraid of the 117 kit. My new bike weighs 130 lbs. less than my old SG and it pulls like a freight train.

KC2GIW · « **Reply #48 on:** May 05, 2016, 09:46:32 AM »

Quote from: SSTuner on May 05, 2016, 08:13:39 AM

Glad the builder/dealer stood behind their install of the 117 kit. I'm so impressed with the 110 in my CVO Pro Street that I would be afraid of the 117 kit. My new bike weighs 130 lbs. less than my old SG and it pulls like a freight train.

If some is good; more is better.

Good news on the baffle change too, YB.

So far so good with all the 117's

RoadDawg · « **Reply #49 on:** May 05, 2016, 03:20:07 PM »

Quote from: SSTuner on May 05, 2016, 08:13:39 AM

Glad the builder/dealer stood behind their install of the 117 kit. I'm so impressed with the 110 in my CVO Pro Street that I would be afraid of the 117 kit. My new bike weighs 130 lbs. less than my old SG and it pulls like a freight train.

I felt the exact same way for the first year or so. Wanted a boost and was looking at cams when the 117 kit came out. Jumped right on it. The difference is astonishing. Believer me. Power down low is the same or maybe better, but the difference is that it never ends. Just keeps on pulling into the triple digits.

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