I agree to a point on the seat. I have an 05 se fatboy, the seat is horrible compared to some that I have sat on in the way of comfort. I love the way it looks as well. But that being said I wonder to myself, have bikers really become so spoiled that we gripe about something like an uncushy seat on our almost 30 thousand dollar motorcycles, sheesh! I think about the images of the old school bikers who sparked my passsion for Harleys kicking their pans until their shins are bleeding, praying for a spark of that magnito to bring things to life on their HARDTAIL framed bikes, cruising for hundreds of miles at a time with barley a seat at all and ZERO suspension. Here I am complaining about a mildly discomfortable seat on my cushy softail, fuel injected, chromed out, starts every time with a push of my electric start, computer controlled timing, belt driven, chromed out, can just call a toll free number if she by chance breaks down, don't have to carry a drip pan to catch my leaking oil when I park wonder machine?...............am I a friggin biker at all??? [smiley=dunce2.gif]