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DYNO charts
« on: October 21, 2013, 09:47:31 PM »

Hi guys/girls,
As a new owner of a CVORK 2014 would like to know if there is a place for dyno runs so I can see what ppl have done to their cvo-s. I will change header pipe (probably fuel moto) and I will re core stock mufflers (like the look) and for cams I have no idea , thats why I need dyno papers to compare and decide. tnx
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Re: DYNO charts
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2013, 06:07:44 AM »

Search dyno in this board and model specific board(s) to find them.

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2013, 07:31:47 AM »

NOPE you get to sort through them like the rest of us.. HA HA welcome to the board congrats on your new bike. Tons of options out there, Before you dive in I would take your time and choose the cam an ex so that they work together. And know that you will need a dyno tune. Tuning cannot be done over the internet a free map is worth just what you paid for it . Keep those few things in mind. In the end you will get the gains you are looking for. :2vrolijk_21:


Example of our cam ex air cleaner and tune on a 2013 . These gains are typical with a good package

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Re: DYNO charts
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2013, 11:48:25 AM »

I would start by taking the time to read and see what others have done that truely works for what your riding style is. I tell people to take a dyno sheet and fold it in half at the 4000 rpm point. Now go ride your bike and see where you spend most of your time running the engine. Then pull that sheet back out again and look at the side you spend most of your time on. To many people get started by wanting it all and it just doesn't happen! So take your time and pick something that you like and parts that are proven to work together. I would look at how much you want to spend and factor that into what your expecting too. Many here use the Fullsac head pipe and there recores for the stock mufflers and are very happy, so you may want to take a look at that as it's a matched set of parts that's been proven to work if that what you find your looking for. If you looking for more than just that then make sure to match the parts or you going to have nothing more than a lighter wallet.
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Re: DYNO charts
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2013, 12:28:39 PM »

Welcome to our world of SE from NC. Tons of choices as you will find with a search. I went with the Fullsac X and Supertrapp pipes because they are easy & infinitely adjustable when  tuning. Oh yea, Feuling 574's worked great for me. Enjoy!!!
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Re: DYNO charts
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2013, 02:05:17 PM »

Hi guys/girls,
As a new owner of a CVORK 2014 would like to know if there is a place for dyno runs so I can see what ppl have done to their cvo-s. I will change header pipe (probably fuel moto) and I will re core stock mufflers (like the look) and for cams I have no idea , thats why I need dyno papers to compare and decide. tnx
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Re: DYNO charts
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2013, 02:50:17 PM »

NOPE you get to sort through them like the rest of us.. HA HA welcome to the board congrats on your new bike. Tons of options out there, Before you dive in I would take your time and choose the cam an ex so that they work together. And know that you will need a dyno tune. Tuning cannot be done over the internet a free map is worth just what you paid for it . Keep those few things in mind. In the end you will get the gains you are looking for. :2vrolijk_21:


Example of our cam ex air cleaner and tune on a 2013 . These gains are typical with a good package


Tnx GMR for your dyno sheet I am looking just for that , so my riding is between 3k-3.5k rpm on open road but I would like torque to be on left side and to stay flat to right , meaning pulling from beginning and going as much as possible to right without loosing tqe. I hope I explained it well, had se 259e on a 103'' and pulled after 3k but I am not racing or going 140mph/hr , torque is more important than hp I think. tnx again
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2013, 02:54:49 PM »

I would start by taking the time to read and see what others have done that truely works for what your riding style is. I tell people to take a dyno sheet and fold it in half at the 4000 rpm point. Now go ride your bike and see where you spend most of your time running the engine. Then pull that sheet back out again and look at the side you spend most of your time on. To many people get started by wanting it all and it just doesn't happen! So take your time and pick something that you like and parts that are proven to work together. I would look at how much you want to spend and factor that into what your expecting too. Many here use the Fullsac head pipe and there recores for the stock mufflers and are very happy, so you may want to take a look at that as it's a matched set of parts that's been proven to work if that what you find your looking for. If you looking for more than just that then make sure to match the parts or you going to have nothing more than a lighter wallet.
tnx Steve, my riding is between 3k and 3.5 k on fwy, I want torque to start more on left side meaning 2k and up. You said fullsac head pipe did anyone compare fuel moto any advantages or they are same. For recore exhaust which baffle would be good fro 110'' , can I find sounds file somwhre tnx. Grof
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Re: DYNO charts
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2013, 05:47:00 PM »

Congrats on the new bike and welcome to the site! Go ahead and lube up the hinges on your wallet, you'll find plenty of ideas on here that will have you opening it frequently. As Steve mentioned, the Fullsac set-up is a proven system and a lot of us use it, myself included. I have the DX pipes and 2" cores with TTS, had Doc at Doc's Performance tune it on the dyno, runs great even with the stock cam, plenty of torque where you need it most. You can find some sound clips on here or probably easier on YouTube, actually I think Fullsac has some on their website; most fail to impress like the real thing though. Good luck!
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2013, 10:17:30 PM »

First you need to come up with a budget and what your expectations are.  You might just try getting a good x-pipe fuel moto,fullsac,v&h + mufflers and get the bike tuned and see if you want more than that.  If you want more after that then there are lots more options but the expense starts adding up.
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2013, 10:26:33 PM »

First you need to come up with a budget and what your expectations are.  You might just try getting a good x-pipe fuel moto,fullsac,v&h + mufflers and get the bike tuned and see if you want more than that.  If you want more after that then there are lots more options but the expense starts adding up.
Joe, I am looking for something like 110+ hp and 120+ torque , hope this can be achieved with good cams some compression on pistons , xpipes and recore mufflers, with dyno of course.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2013, 09:01:48 AM »

Yes that can be done with cams and compression.  To do the baffle recores for the cvo mufflers you do have some effort involved including grinding away some welds on the inside lip of the pipe, but it does keep the epa stamps on the outside.  That Drago 2-1 is a pretty nice pipe also and has been doing great for power.  Headporting for sure will help out a lot and I think you already have a list of some great names for that.
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Re: DYNO charts
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2013, 11:49:11 AM »

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Are you looking to pay someone to do the work or do it yourself? At first it sounded like you were looking to keep the cost down now it looks like your not so much. Heads, compression and camshafts drive it up a lot versus good exhaust, air cleaner and tuning. 110 hp and 120 torque are outside of what your going to get with just and exhaust. A/C and tune. Sure you will find some BS dynocharts out there that say they did it but look at the average of many charts and you will see that it just doesn't happen in the real world. So if what you really want and are willing to pay for is 110/120 then your going to have to get into the motor and you HD warranty is gone at that point. So pick what you want carefully for your desired outcome and do not mix and match or you will not be happy.
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2013, 08:06:05 AM »

We have done a ton of testing on the 110. ( as we make a cam and wanted to test it step by step for our own kits)   But in a nutshell here is how it breaks down I am working off AVG numbers so please no one get there panties in a wad.

Stage I    Exhaust and air cleaner and tune   95/108 

Stage II  one of several bolt in cams            108/116

Stage III increased compression                  113/123

Stage IIII  larger t/b                                   120/123

Head porting will yield more but that opens a whole new door numbers above are from stock heads.  Who ported the head , did they do it correctly or turn the heads into a door stop.   Making 120/120 as a simple bolt on kit is nothing short of a great running set up. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2013, 05:42:40 PM »

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Are you looking to pay someone to do the work or do it yourself? At first it sounded like you were looking to keep the cost down now it looks like your not so much. Heads, compression and camshafts drive it up a lot versus good exhaust, air cleaner and tuning. 110 hp and 120 torque are outside of what your going to get with just and exhaust. A/C and tune. Sure you will find some BS dynocharts out there that say they did it but look at the average of many charts and you will see that it just doesn't happen in the real world. So if what you really want and are willing to pay for is 110/120 then your going to have to get into the motor and you HD warranty is gone at that point. So pick what you want carefully for your desired outcome and do not mix and match or you will not be happy.
Hi Steve,
Someone will do this for me (RC Cycles ) I am just exploring all options and searching what would be best bang for buck. What do you mean by mix and match.
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