Topic: Progressive 440s Preference (Read 31588 times)

jstartz · « **on:** March 09, 2005, 10:20:04 AM »

I'm sold on getting progressive 440s due to earlier threads, but am curious if I should go with the heavy duty or standard (under what conditions is one better than the other) and ...12" or 12.5". What do you use? Thanks in advance for the feedback.

Dr. Evil · « **Reply #1 on:** March 09, 2005, 10:33:03 AM »

I use 11" HD.

MObe · « **Reply #2 on:** March 09, 2005, 10:40:35 AM »

std 12.5". I weigh 190# and at 3 turns the ride height is identical to the std air shocks at 10psi when I am seated on the bike.
If you are 200# or less and don't plan to have a passenger a lot, progressive recommends the std springs.

GOGIRL · « **Reply #3 on:** March 09, 2005, 12:06:49 PM »

i had the 12.5 on my bike and it's no diff. than stock ride ,there way over rated, save your $$$$$$ stick with the stock air ride, just my .02 cents

Dallas · « **Reply #4 on:** March 09, 2005, 02:39:49 PM »

thanks go-girl so many people rave about the progressive 440's I'm glad you voiced your opinion, I also decided to stay with the stock shocks

Elvis · « **Reply #5 on:** March 09, 2005, 04:54:57 PM »

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i had the 12.5 on my bike and it's no diff. than stock ride ,there way over rated, save your $$$$$$ stick with the stock air ride,

jmorton10 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2005, 05:28:15 PM »

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i had the 12.5 on my bike and it's no diff. than stock ride ,there way over rated, save your $$$$$$ stick with the stock air ride,

Elvis · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2005, 06:26:11 PM »

Here's hoping she's talking smack... [smiley=argue.gif] .....just ordered the 12" Standards today, tired of dealing with air pumps, bottoming out, etc. We'll see.

elvis

JR · « **Reply #8 on:** March 09, 2005, 07:56:48 PM »

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ELVIS,

"Don't be cruel......."
Mike

[smiley=ROFLOL.gif] [smiley=elvis.gif] [smiley=elvis.gif] [smiley=elvis.gif] [smiley=elvis.gif] [smiley=elvis.gif] [smiley=elvis.gif] [smiley=elvis.gif]

JR [smiley=laugh.gif]

Screamin · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2005, 08:09:04 PM »

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ELVIS,

"Don't be cruel......."

You will love 'em.

Elvis · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2005, 08:56:08 PM »

Not bad. I have left the building.

elvis

Suspension Minds
(words & music by Mark James)
We're caught in a trap
I can't walk out
Because I love you too much baby

Why can't you see
What you're doing to me
When you don't believe a word I say?

We can't go on together
With suspension minds
And we can't build our dreams
On suspension minds

So, if an old friend I know
Drops by to say hello
Would I still see a 440 suspension in your eyes?

Here we go again
Asking where I've been
You can't see these tears are real
I'm crying

We can't go on together
With suspension minds
And be can't build our dreams
On suspension minds

Oh let our love survive
Or dry the tears from your eyes
Let's don't let a good thing die

When honey, you know
I've never lied to you
Mmm yeah, yeah

burp.

Dr. Evil · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2005, 09:06:12 PM »

OH MY GOD [smiley=snore.gif]
The king's rolling over!!! [smiley=elvis.gif]

[smiley=drummer.gif] [smiley=singer.gif] [smiley=guitarist.gif]

Twolanerider · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2005, 02:53:16 AM »

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Not bad.

starvin · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2005, 10:26:23 PM »

I just put mine on yesterday, hopefully my wife will notice a big difference, after shelling out another $540 on a bike that "has everything I would ever want already on it" my reputation with her is on the line here. one note although the installation is very easy 10 min. make sure you bleed the air out of the old shocks before disconnecting the air line. There is oil in the line,
according to the list that my wife is keeping new shocks=$540 new jacket to replace oil stained one = $100 [smiley=oops.gif]

jmorton10 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 11, 2005, 01:04:43 PM »

I hope you didn't pay $540 for the shocks, I got my 440's for $380 from Wally's.

~John

starvin · « **Reply #15 on:** March 11, 2005, 02:14:30 PM »

that is a good price. the cheapest i found was about $460, I wanted to buy them from my dealer though, with riding season coming ya never know when you need to call in a favor and I havn't bought anything from them for a while.

MObe · « **Reply #16 on:** March 11, 2005, 05:53:12 PM »

Got mine from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse (MAW) for $416. The local dealer wanted $535 and said he couln't even get close to the MAW price, so MAW got the order for 2 sets of 440's. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

2uece · « **Reply #17 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:01:05 PM »

Could you post the web site to the shop you bought from
Thanks in advance

Screamin · « **Reply #18 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:04:25 PM »

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I hope you didn't pay $540 for the shocks, I got my 440's for $380 from Wally's.

~John

Who is Walley? I was quoted $439 delivered from Krooners.

MObe · « **Reply #19 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:17:52 PM »

Link to MAW http://www.accwhse.com/

jmorton10 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 12, 2005, 07:17:45 PM »

http://www.wallyscycleworld.com/virtualshop/vsquery_new.asp?PVMID=58&PVSID=1705

Screamin · « **Reply #21 on:** March 12, 2005, 11:37:04 PM »

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http://www.wallyscycleworld.com/virtualshop/vsquery_new.asp?PVMID=58&PVSID=1705

Thanx.

2uece · « **Reply #22 on:** March 13, 2005, 08:26:21 PM »

I just purchased my 12' 440 for my scoot..from Walleys...$405.50 Delivered. I will let you know what I think..

starvin · « **Reply #23 on:** March 27, 2005, 08:41:33 PM »

O.K. just got back from the first ride of the year with the new shocks. Looks like I'll live to see another day. The wife loves them. I also noticed a huge difference its not so much a softer ride its just smother. I highly recommend these to anyone who thinks the bike rides to stiff. My wife is now happy with the ride,,the world is a better place to live......at least for me.

starvin · « **Reply #24 on:** March 29, 2005, 05:26:01 PM »

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Elvis · « **Reply #25 on:** March 29, 2005, 06:12:15 PM »

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You got that right. I feel sorry for some of the people that don't experience harsh winters. They never know how good it is when its over.

Screamin · « **Reply #26 on:** March 29, 2005, 06:19:13 PM »

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Hey, I'll have you know I had to put on a long sleeve T-shirt last January.....[smiley=laugh.gif]

elvis

Just plain mean

Elvis · « **Reply #27 on:** March 29, 2005, 06:24:47 PM »

Now ya know I was just kiddin.

It was a sweatshirt. [smiley=zroflmao.gif]

elvis

hdnut · « **Reply #28 on:** April 11, 2005, 01:51:41 PM »

Went for a longer ride with the wife yesterday afternoon ,she hate's the ride of my seeg,she infomed me she was not getting on it again untill i change the shocks.So I ordered the progressive 440s this morning 12 inch hd.$426.00 shiped.

WFP · « **Reply #29 on:** April 11, 2005, 01:57:46 PM »

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Went for a longer ride with the wife yesterday afternoon ,she hate's the ride of my seeg,she infomed me she was not getting on it again untill i change the shocks.So I ordered the progressive 440s this morning 12 inch hd.$426.00 shiped.

ME TOO...get them next week...install 'em and test 'em on the 3000 Maggie Holler Trip...they better work!

/Bill

hdnut · « **Reply #30 on:** April 11, 2005, 02:02:08 PM »

I think riding without shocks would be better than the air shocks that are on the bike right now! [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]

Loose_Goose · « **Reply #31 on:** April 11, 2005, 07:33:25 PM »

I finally got my bike out of storage this past weekend. The 440s work awesome, much better than stock. The ride is much smoother. Definetly worth the money. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

Twolanerider · « **Reply #32 on:** April 11, 2005, 07:48:47 PM »

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ME TOO...get them next week...install 'em and test 'em on the 3000 Maggie Holler Trip...they better work!

/Bill

If anyone at Maggie Valley doesn't like the Progressives better than the stock shocks 103Thunder will buy them dinner [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

110tHunDer · « **Reply #33 on:** April 11, 2005, 08:26:53 PM »

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If anyone at Maggie Valley doesn't like the Progressives better than the stock shocks 103Thunder will buy them dinner

hdnut · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2005, 01:15:01 PM »

The new 440's came in the mail yesterday ,any tip's for putting them on?

starvin · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2005, 03:09:08 PM »

BLEED THE AIR OUT OF THE OLD SHOCKS BEFORE DISCONNECTING THE AIRLINE.....
theres oil in the line and at 30psi it shoots out pretty good. I needed a new jacket anyway. [smiley=laugh.gif]

hdnut · « **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2005, 04:35:40 PM »

Other than that it's pretty straight forward? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

starvin · « **Reply #37 on:** April 22, 2005, 01:44:34 PM »

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Other than that it's pretty straight forward? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Yes, just jack the back end up, change one side at a time, shouldn't take more than 15 minutes counting the beer break between each side. [smiley=drink.gif]

hdnut · « **Reply #38 on:** April 22, 2005, 01:48:09 PM »

Hope to do the change over the weekend.Looking forward to a smother ride . [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

nrotik · « **Reply #39 on:** April 22, 2005, 03:18:31 PM »

Which size do I buy if I want to retain the stock lowered look?

Laker · « **Reply #40 on:** April 22, 2005, 03:22:25 PM »

The 12" version is the same length as the stock shocks but the 12.5" will still maintain the "lowered look". Hope it helps. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

WFP · « **Reply #41 on:** April 22, 2005, 03:24:05 PM »

I tried to buy the 12"HD from MAW, they said they were in stock, a week later they still had not shipped, so I cancelled the order last Tuesday since they were just yankin' my chain.

/Bill

Laker · « **Reply #42 on:** April 22, 2005, 03:27:26 PM »

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I tried to buy the 12"HD from MAW, they said they were in stock, a week later they still had not shipped, so I cancelled the order last Tuesday since they were just yankin' my chain.

/Bill

You must have had a bad salesperson. Mine shipped the next day. I believe that quite a few people from this site ordered from them as well and I haven't heard of any other problems. That sucks.

WFP · « **Reply #43 on:** April 22, 2005, 03:34:05 PM »

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You must have had a bad salesperson. Mine shipped the next day. I believe that quite a few people from this site ordered from them as well and I haven't heard of any other problems. That sucks.

They have lost my future business.

MObe · « **Reply #44 on:** April 22, 2005, 05:06:10 PM »

I've ordered two sets from them and both times after about a week I have called and was told that they would ship in a week, and both times they arrived within 2 days of my call.

Elvis · « **Reply #45 on:** April 22, 2005, 06:03:45 PM »

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Which size do I buy if I want to retain the stock lowered look?

That was important to me too. I went with the 12" length Progressives to keep the stock height and Standard Duty, not Heavy Duty, as I ride mainly solo, so didn't want ride too rough. Worked out very well, much improved ride and handling over stock air shocks and bike retains slammed look of stock.

elvis

starvin · « **Reply #46 on:** April 22, 2005, 08:58:27 PM »

I have the 12"HD, ride two up most of the time. set at two turns from the softest there perfect. I think you can turn them about 8 turns firmer. at the softest setting we were bottoming out. I'm 210, wife is 110(+-30#).
ELVIS just noticed under your signature it says "honest honey it already comes with everything"....I wish i had a dime for every time those words were brought back up in my face ....I could buy lots more parts I don't need..

BAKRDS · « **Reply #47 on:** April 22, 2005, 10:38:29 PM »

Said this some place else but maybe worth repeating. I put on 12.5 in heavy dutys & am very happy with them. But, if I did it again I would try the standards. Weigh 250 & ride solo 99% of the time. I run mine on the softest setting & maybe could go softer if I had the option. They are an excellent investment, much improved ride & handleing.
Jim

110tHunDer · « **Reply #48 on:** April 23, 2005, 08:40:05 AM »

WFP, I had no problems with MAW, either, but they have lost my future business, too, if they're messing with you. Does this mean you don't have them for the trip to Maggie Valley?

WFP · « **Reply #49 on:** April 23, 2005, 08:56:13 AM »

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WFP, I had no problems with MAW, either, but they have lost my future business, too, if they're messing with you. Does this mean you don't have them for the trip to Maggie Valley?

Correct...I had placed the order in plenty of time for the trip, thinking hey, they are in stock, place the order on Tuesday, April 12, they will ship on the 13th. Well my credit card hit on the 13th but by Tuesday April 19 They still did not ship. Yesterday, there was a credit on my card so I am square financially.

I specifically asked about the in-stock status. Most honest companies won't hit your credit card until an item ships. So when I saw the charge, I thought it shipped. I called Fri and Monday to check on status and they both times said to call back again. When I found out on Tuesday they still had not shipped, I pulled the plug.

I have decided to load the bike in the truck so I may take the SED instead...still not sure!
/Bill

Hotmetal2 · « **Reply #50 on:** April 24, 2005, 08:58:14 AM »

I'm gonna get my yellow bird next week. I weight 235 and my wife 150. Most of the time we ride together.
What would be the ideal progressive 440 that I could get?
Do you know where I can buy it in Canada (Quebec)?

Twolanerider · « **Reply #51 on:** April 24, 2005, 11:09:12 AM »

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I'm gonna get my yellow bird next week. I weight 235 and my wife 150. Most of the time we ride together.
What would be the ideal progressive 440 that I could get?
Do you know where I can buy it in Canada (Quebec)?

I'd be really word about shocks with an eye toward separatism. Get 'em from the states.
(ok, that was lame).

Based on my own experience with the shocks you might consider the 12.5" heavy duty units. I love the ride and they'll handle the passenger load at only a moderate shock setting.

nsrider · « **Reply #52 on:** April 25, 2005, 07:16:04 AM »

Hotmetal2, I put the 12.5 on mine. I am heavier at 275 & wife is closer to 175. Only wish I had done it sooner. Find a local aftermarket shop to buy them through. Got mine for $550 cdn incl tax, dealer wanted over $600 before tax.

nsrider

Hotmetal2 · « **Reply #53 on:** April 25, 2005, 11:27:48 AM »

Thanks for the information!!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

ridefar · « **Reply #54 on:** April 26, 2005, 11:01:59 PM »

[smiley=biggthumpup.gif]Just wanted to express my thanks to one and all for input on the 440 shocks. I'm glad there is a viable alternative to those stupid air shocks and thanks for steering me in the right direction. Wish I could buy you all a beer! [smiley=biggthumpup.gif]

Twolanerider · « **Reply #55 on:** April 27, 2005, 01:14:51 AM »

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[smiley=biggthumpup.gif]Just wanted to express my thanks to one and all for input on the 440 shocks. I'm glad there is a viable alternative to those stupid air shocks and thanks for steering me in the right direction. Wish I could buy you all a beer! [smiley=biggthumpup.gif]

Come the The Valley tomorrow. A bunch of us will drink your beer with great cheer [smiley=beerchug.gif]

hdnut · « **Reply #56 on:** April 30, 2005, 05:41:17 PM »

Installed the 440's a couple of days ago,what a big difference!The ride is much better,I can't wait to take the wife out for a ride when the weather here in south east Wi. warms up. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

hd-dude · « **Reply #57 on:** May 06, 2005, 09:11:15 PM »

My 440's came in today. I will put them on tonight and ride tomorrow! I went with the 12" Heavy Duty.

hd-dude · « **Reply #58 on:** May 06, 2005, 10:16:52 PM »

Well the install was a piece of cake, took about 20 minutes. One important thing for those of you with the air shocks. Check your lines!!!. While removing mine I found the line going to the right shock was completely pinched by the fender strut cover. [smiley=thumbsdown.gif] I doubt that side had any air getting to it. That explains partly why the ride was so crummy. I'm looking forward to the new ride quality!!

110tHunDer · « **Reply #59 on:** May 06, 2005, 10:40:26 PM »

hd-dude, pinched line on the stock shocks or not, you'll be quite impressed with the 440's. I have the 12" HD's also. I weigh around 220. It took about 3 turns before they started feeling "right" to me. Try experimenting during your ride tomorrow to find the right adjustment for you. They only take a minute or two to adjust and are responsive to as little as a 1/2 turn.

Enjoy! [smiley=beerchug.gif]

MAVERICK · « **Reply #60 on:** May 07, 2005, 05:15:55 AM »

I have not tried the new 440s.You know I always want more or better. For example on my last cruiser the only thing that was stock was the key switch and kickstand. It was everything I wanted in that particular bike. Then I sold it because I had to have the FLHTCSE2. I have less than 2000 miles on my SE2 and last month I did some double up high speed touring around the Fredricksburg, Austin area in Texas. I thought the stock suspension worked well and I weigh 220 lbs plus a 100 lb passenger. I am sure that after sometime and some miles the stock suspension wont work as well and it will be repalced. But for now LESS IS MORE. [smiley=confused5.gif] [smiley=bigok.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif] [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

hdnut · « **Reply #61 on:** May 07, 2005, 09:13:46 AM »

The 440's are the way to go.I also found the air line was pinched on one side?Now that the new shocks are on ,I dont think the stock seat is all that bad.

porthole · « **Reply #62 on:** May 07, 2005, 10:09:22 AM »

I have had my 440's on for about 3 weeks now.
I wouldn't say the ride is "1970's GM float on a cloud ride", but the the ride now over bridge expansion joints on the Garden State Parkway (New Jersey) was worth the price alone.
Before I had to stand on the pegs, now it is smooth sailing.

Might be a bad choice of a phrase, "smooth sailing", with the screen name "porthole" you guys might think I was a "blow boater" "rag bagger" etc. (sail boter)

[smiley=thinking2.gif].

2 x 450 HP TI Diesels in the boat (TI = turbocharged - intercooled)

spydglide · « **Reply #63 on:** May 07, 2005, 03:18:02 PM »

Ahoy, Porthole! Let's not go chosing sides according to sail or motor power........'cause I'm probably not the only 'rag-bagger' on this site. Why can't we just all get along and be a little more tolerant of the different 'strokes'?

Pretty soon it'll be East........West, North........South, Sail........Power, Chip.........Tater, etc, etc......the common thread here is: CVO's!!! Har! [smiley=bandana.gif] Cap't Spyder

WFP · « **Reply #64 on:** May 07, 2005, 04:08:56 PM »

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Ahoy, Porthole! Let's not go chosing sides according to sail or motor power........'cause I'm probably not the only 'rag-bagger' on this site. Why can't we just all get along and be a little more tolerant of the different 'strokes'? Pretty soon it'll be East........West, North........South, Sail........Power, Chip.........Tater, etc, etc......the common thread here is: CVO's!!! Har! [smiley=bandana.gif] Cap't Spyder

Twin CAT 3126TA's here...no blowboat in my future!

porthole · « **Reply #65 on:** May 07, 2005, 04:14:20 PM »

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Ahoy, Porthole!

hd-dude · « **Reply #66 on:** May 07, 2005, 11:02:46 PM »

Put abput 220 miles on the 440's today. Definitely say they ride much better than the air shock. Set them on 2 turns to start, then softer to 1

Twolanerider · « **Reply #67 on:** May 08, 2005, 04:19:15 PM »

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doubt that side had any air getting to it. That explains partly why the ride was so crummy. I'm looking forward to the new ride quality!!

Unfortunately being inflated or not wouldn't have made a tremendous amount of difference. They seemingly all leak down so eventually most of us have ridden without air for a bit without realizing it. The original Showa's are just poor enough that you don't tell a lot of difference.

Rsantucc · « **Reply #68 on:** May 08, 2005, 09:51:01 PM »

I have a new bike being delivered next week. Question can I get the Progressive Part numbers for the 12's and the 12.5's. After reading this trend it seesm like a no brainer to change out the shocks.

Elvis · « **Reply #69 on:** May 08, 2005, 10:02:53 PM »

440 Series shock numbers
Heavy Duty 11.5" : 440-4011B/C
Heavy Duty 12" : 440-4050B/C
Heavy Duty 12.5" : 440-4019B/C
Heavy Duty 13" : 440-4020B/C+
Heavy Duty 13.5" : 440-4021B/C
Standard 11.5" : 440-4006B/C
Standard 12" : 440-4049B/C
Standard 12.5" : 440-4001B/C
Standard 13" : 440-4002B/C+
Standard 13.5" : 440-4003B/C

hd-dude · « **Reply #70 on:** May 08, 2005, 10:33:11 PM »

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440 Series shock numbers

ridefar · « **Reply #71 on:** May 09, 2005, 11:27:15 PM »

I have 300 miles on since installing the 440's. You guys were right! Worth every dollar. I had to underinflate rear tire by 5psi with passenger with stock air shock just to be rideable. DID not matter what psi was used in airshock, bumps jolted the spine. This is now gone! Used #440-4019B 12.5" heavy duty, 3 full turns from softest. Ride 2up most of time. Total weight bike loaded 365to390lbs. Got shocks from Walley's Cycle World as recomended by rep at Progressive. Many thanks to all for getting me onto this...

customryder · « **Reply #72 on:** May 11, 2005, 05:12:18 PM »

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My 440's came in today. I will put them on tonight and ride tomorrow! I went with the 12" Heavy Duty.

hd dude what setting are you using? & your weight if you dont mine, i also got the 12" h-d & weight 200lbs.

hd-dude · « **Reply #73 on:** May 11, 2005, 05:22:35 PM »

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hd dude what setting are you using? & your weight if you dont mine, i also got the 12" h-d & weight 200lbs.

I have them a 2 turns and weight about 200#. I'm still going to play with them a bit this weekend. I'll let you know what I end up with.

customryder · « **Reply #74 on:** May 11, 2005, 05:32:05 PM »

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I have them a 2 turns and weight about 200#. I'm still going to play with them a bit this weekend. I'll let you know what I end up with.

that is the setting im using so far, keep me updated... thanks Jeff

customryder · « **Reply #75 on:** May 11, 2005, 06:11:46 PM »

The bike also dont seem to dive on braking & swat under power as bad. nice so far....but the ft. needs help also. Anyone tried the ft. springs?

JR · « **Reply #76 on:** May 11, 2005, 10:33:37 PM »

When yall are talking about turns are talking 1 complete revolution or reference mark the instructions show? Let me see if I can scan the instructions.

JR [smiley=laugh.gif]

110tHunDer · « **Reply #77 on:** May 11, 2005, 10:35:56 PM »

One revolution. The reference mark is not finite enough for the proper adjustment. The only way to get both sides the same is to start with the ring to the full counter-clockwise position and then count turns.

110tHunDer · « **Reply #78 on:** May 11, 2005, 10:38:28 PM »

P.S. Did you do anything with the Progressives while you were waiting for your bike that you need to show us a photo of? [smiley=laugh.gif]

JR · « **Reply #79 on:** May 11, 2005, 11:54:21 PM »

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P.S.

hd-dude · « **Reply #80 on:** May 12, 2005, 01:03:36 AM »

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Hooked them up to my basketball shoes..........Almost broke my neck when I finally came down! [smiley=nixweiss.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif] [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]

Twolanerider · « **Reply #81 on:** May 12, 2005, 01:14:06 AM »

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Hooked them up to my basketball shoes..........Almost broke my neck when I finally came down! [smiley=nixweiss.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif] [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]

lvrider · « **Reply #82 on:** May 12, 2005, 08:24:08 PM »

I want to order some Progressives for my 05 SEEG and want to retain the factory lowered height. Someone previously suggested purchasing the 12" and another said the 12.5" will retain the original lowered height. Can someone tell me which one I should buy?

starvin · « **Reply #83 on:** May 12, 2005, 08:37:25 PM »

12" are the stock length, I have this size and am very happy with them.

110tHunDer · « **Reply #84 on:** May 12, 2005, 08:39:05 PM »

12.0" is stock for the SEEG, however, some have reported seeing no visible difference in ride height with the 12.5". I'm using the 12.0" HD and am very, very happy with them. The bike actually sits ever so slightly higher in the rear even with the 12.0's, so, IMHO, if you are concerned about maintaining the stock height (like I was) you should go with those. You may get a somewhat better ride out of the 0.5" taller shocks, but I can't believe it can get a whole lot better than the 12.0's and they would almost certainly raise the bike up more.

Elvis · « **Reply #85 on:** May 12, 2005, 09:24:28 PM »

Agree that the 12.0's rock...keeps the stock height and the ride is great. Went with the Standard Duty version as I usually ride solo and weigh somewhere around 170...that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. [smiley=laugh.gif]

elvis

customryder · « **Reply #86 on:** May 12, 2005, 10:23:30 PM »

i put the 12" h-d 2 turns from softest... i weight 200lbs if you are lighter than 200 go with the standard.

hd-dude · « **Reply #87 on:** May 12, 2005, 11:22:32 PM »

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i put the 12" h-d 2 turns from softest... i weight 200lbs if you are lighter than 200 go with the standard.

joew · « **Reply #88 on:** June 22, 2005, 08:57:51 AM »

[smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]Thank you for making me aware of the 440's. The only thing I didn't like about my SEEG was the ride. The 440's cured that -- no more gritting my teeth when I see big bumps coming. I am approx 200 lbs at 2 turns -- what have you found to be the best tire pressure settings for a single rider? Are you losing any handling with the softer ride? The improvement is better than I hoped for.

Fired00d · « **Reply #89 on:** June 27, 2005, 06:36:09 PM »

This is great information!!! Coming from a Fatboy and this being the first bagger I've ever ridden. I was inclined to believe that I was getiting a comfortable ride w/stock shocks. But now I have been enlightened I will definately add these shocks to my wish list. I know the wife will be happy to make the ride more comfortable, the "wedgie" seat that the MoCo used for a passenger seat on the '04's leaves a lot to be desired on a long haul. It is great for looks, but lacks comfort, and you know what they say.. "When Momma isn't happy [smiley=veryangry.gif], nobody is happy [smiley=veryangry2.gif]". I had been looking at getting another seat for comfort, but if new shocks can make everyone more comfortable and retain the sleek lines that I like so much about the bike this may be the way to go. From what I'm gathering from this thread and considering my dimensions (250+/- LBS) and majority of my riding is solo I think I should get the 12.5" HD. Would this be correct? Thanks

Coolbreeze · « **Reply #90 on:** June 27, 2005, 07:14:21 PM »

Okay, so my choice of living arrangements seems to be a little isolated.... and I can't find a dealer for Progressives within a hundred miles.... Does anybody know the best, (most economical) place to mail order them is?

Striker · « **Reply #91 on:** June 27, 2005, 07:45:29 PM »

There is a thread for Direct Parts on here somewhere. I marked them in my favorites on the tool bar, they have pretty good prices. Or check, Direct parts.com, get their price and cal J&P cycles, they have a price guarantee.

Coolbreeze · « **Reply #92 on:** June 27, 2005, 10:03:49 PM »

Duh, all the normal places.... and for some reason I expected something exotic... [smiley=brood.gif]

Thanks Striker, I officially feel like an idiot now... [smiley=dunce2.gif]

JCZ · « **Reply #93 on:** June 27, 2005, 10:36:03 PM »

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I have them a 2 turns and weight about 200#. I'm still going to play with them a bit this weekend. I'll let you know what I end up with.

Jim, is that "two turns" or "two clicks"?

I just ordered the 440 Polished 12" standard from Wally World for $388.50 shipped. Is this the same shock that you're using?

hd-dude · « **Reply #94 on:** June 27, 2005, 11:24:26 PM »

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Jim, is that "two turns" or "two clicks"?

I just ordered the 440 Polished 12" standard from Wally World for $388.50 shipped.

Twolanerider · « **Reply #95 on:** June 27, 2005, 11:48:34 PM »

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Jim, is that "two turns" or "two clicks"?

I just ordered the 440 Polished 12" standard from Wally World for $388.50 shipped.

Striker · « **Reply #96 on:** June 28, 2005, 08:18:20 PM »

HD-DUDE, what did they mean HD shocks, is that heavy duty, or Harley Davidson? I am virtually always 2 up. Between the 2 of us that is about 350#, with anything in the bags. I notice the bike is pretty hard on the high speed bumps, actually jars my back a bit. Think the progressives are a good fix? What do you do with the air settings from the stock set up?

hd-dude · « **Reply #97 on:** June 29, 2005, 09:22:36 AM »

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HD-DUDE, what did they mean HD shocks, is that heavy duty, or Harley Davidson?

grc · « **Reply #98 on:** June 29, 2005, 11:27:31 AM »

One question I haven't seen yet concerning the Progressives - do you have to remove the bags to adjust them, or is there enough room and leverage with just the lid open? I moved the air valve on the stockers up higher on the bracket so I could adjust air pressure without removing the bag (I go from solo to 2-up and back to solo quite a bit).

Twolanerider · « **Reply #99 on:** June 29, 2005, 12:31:28 PM »

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One question I haven't seen yet concerning the Progressives - do you have to remove the bags to adjust them, or is there enough room and leverage with just the lid open?

Rsantucc · « **Reply #100 on:** June 29, 2005, 12:37:05 PM »

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JC;
I went with the 12"

hd-dude · « **Reply #101 on:** June 29, 2005, 12:46:06 PM »

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I alos have the 12" HD on my 05 SEEG so your saying 1/2 click is much softer. I tried 2 turns and it was a little solid for 1 ride and okj for 2. I tried 1 click and its beter with one and greta with 2. So maybe 1/2 or no clcik would be best for 1 rider 240 lbs you think for the softest ride?

Its really a personal preference on where you set them. I hoover around 200#'s and like the 1/2 turn setting. Its still stiff enough to roll through the twisties without a lot of sagging.

Striker · « **Reply #102 on:** June 29, 2005, 08:04:47 PM »

Why are some going with 12" and some going with 12.5". If I am happy with the seat height, which way should I go. And who has come up with the best price on the 440 HD's?
BTW, the ride on this bike is a lot rougher than my '95 FLHT was with stock shocks and air. I cannot believe the MOCO would put out a bike designed for touring with such poor creature comforts like the shocks and seat. Guess they wanted it to look good, (the seat) and didn't care about what you couldn't see, (the shocks). [smiley=smilie_daumenneg.gif]

hdnut · « **Reply #103 on:** June 29, 2005, 08:24:32 PM »

I did the 12 inch HD ,ride about 50-50 solo or 2 up,I am about 5 foot 10 inches the stock ride hight was perfect for me.A friend that is about 6 foot tall did the 12.5 inch hd ,we can not tell much difference in the two seegs?If you think the stock 2005 seat is bad ,try a 2004 it is much worst for the passenger!

Twolanerider · « **Reply #104 on:** June 29, 2005, 09:59:46 PM »

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Guess they wanted it to look good, (the seat) and didn't care about what you couldn't see, (the shocks). [smiley=smilie_daumenneg.gif]

They know the bikes get bought for what they look like on the floor, not how they ride on the street or how your butt feels at the end of the second tank part way through your riding day. It seems they think that selling them is the MoCo's part of the job. Making them more effectively rideable than falls on us after we get them home.

Lz · « **Reply #105 on:** July 04, 2005, 07:14:39 PM »

I can finally report on the 440's! I went w/ the 12.5 HD [4019C] and started w/ 2 full turns. I'm 6'2" 200lb and usually ride solo. First, the extra 1/2 in in length only raised the bike 3/16" measured from lift bed to top shock bolt. Second.........these shocks have far exceeded my expections!!! They should be considered as a mandatory upgrade. I rode 490 miles over the last 2 days on some of the best and worst roads NH and VT has to offer and the 440's are sweet!!!!!!!!! I never played w/ the 440's and at 2 turns they will stay untill I put the wife on the back and see?

Ty all for all the good and accurate info. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Would some knowledge soul please start a new thread on what they did to improve the front suspension?? Oil, springs and the cartridge in the left fork?? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Ride safe all...........

jimp · « **Reply #106 on:** July 04, 2005, 09:17:14 PM »

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I can finally report on the 440's!

JR · « **Reply #107 on:** July 05, 2005, 07:40:31 PM »

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Agree that the 12.0's rock...keeps the stock height and the ride is great.

tony1968 · « **Reply #108 on:** July 05, 2005, 11:12:28 PM »

A few years ago I put the lowered PS shocks on my FLHS, and then installed white bros progressively wound springs up front. I removed all the air suspension shi* and installed plugs to seal the forks. Worked great...

HUBBARD · « **Reply #109 on:** July 06, 2005, 03:05:43 AM »

Yeah, 'er 'uh. jstartz,

Elvis · « **Reply #110 on:** July 06, 2005, 07:01:59 AM »

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spydglide · « **Reply #111 on:** July 06, 2005, 07:28:58 AM »

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Yeah, 'er 'uh. jstartz,

JCZ · « **Reply #112 on:** July 06, 2005, 10:58:15 AM »

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but Hub, all I did was spend money on this one.

BLM777 · « **Reply #113 on:** July 07, 2005, 05:56:51 PM »

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Oh the front end I have never seen a clear statement on tuning it, I'm at the point to send a set of forks to these people.

http://www.racetech.com/shopping/shopdisplaysubcat.asp?id=17&cat=&Hsubcat=8&level=3&subcat=8&L2=Forks&showPage=

Jim....The best match for the 440's are the Progressive Fork Springs #11-1528. Don't recall what I paid for them at the moment, but you'll notice as much improvement in the front as the 440's give to the back end.

jimp · « **Reply #114 on:** July 07, 2005, 06:10:36 PM »

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Jim....The best match for the 440's are the Progressive Fork Springs #11-1528.

lameduck · « **Reply #115 on:** July 15, 2005, 07:47:44 PM »

I just installed 440's. did anyone have to use any spacers that came with the kit? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

starvin · « **Reply #116 on:** July 15, 2005, 09:04:39 PM »

Nope, the directions tell you witch parts to use just follow it for the flhtc.

110tHunDer · « **Reply #117 on:** July 15, 2005, 10:48:34 PM »

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I just installed 440's. did anyone have to use any spacers that came with the kit? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Yes. You have to use the shouldered spacers in order to get the proper offset and not have the rubber bushings riding on the frame/swingarm.

lameduck · « **Reply #118 on:** July 15, 2005, 11:35:51 PM »

I used 4 shouldered sleeves on the shocks with the shoulder in towards the bike. When I put the shock on the top bolt on the right side the bottom was away from the swingarm 1/2 " exactly the width of sleeve #4. On the left side the shock was pushing on the swingarm and with a spacer on top it was perfect. In both cases I could have forced them over easily but with the spacers they are more square. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

OTIS · « **Reply #119 on:** July 16, 2005, 01:07:37 AM »

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I used 4 shouldered sleeves on the shocks with the shoulder in towards the bike. When I put the shock on the top bolt on the right side the bottom was away from the swingarm 1/2 " exactly the width of sleeve #4. On the left side the shock was pushing on the swingarm and with a spacer on top it was perfect. In both cases I could have forced them over easily but with the spacers they are more square. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Hubbard and I put Progressive 440 on his bike 2 hrs ago we used no spacers only thihg we added was the steel bushings in the eyes. do you need the tool to adjust or can you use your hands .

OTIS

110tHunDer · « **Reply #120 on:** July 16, 2005, 01:16:40 AM »

Otis, hands only - there's no tool that I'm aware of. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]. Hold the spring and twist the top collar counter-clockwise all the way until it stops and then mark with a paint stick so you can count the turns. Next, set the preload to where you want to start out. Then, go for a spin and adjust until you're happy with the results.

OTIS · « **Reply #121 on:** July 16, 2005, 01:39:08 AM »

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Otis, hands only - there's no tool that I'm aware of. [smiley=nixweiss.gif].

110tHunDer · « **Reply #122 on:** July 16, 2005, 01:51:30 AM »

Yeah, you're right, the instructions aren't that great. Here's the procedure I used to get mine set up:

1) Hold the spring stationary with one hand and grab the top collar with the other hand and turn the collar counter-clockwise until it stops. That will be the zero preload setting. It may be tough to rotate the collar the first few times you do it.

2) Mark the top of the collar with an paint pen or magic marker so you can count rotations off in the next step.

3) Hold the spring stationary with one hand and grab the top collar with the other hand and turn the collar clockwise one rotation (or how ever many rotations you want to start out with).

4) Go for a ride and experiment with various settings until you find the one that suites you and your riding style. My 12" HD 440's are sensitive to only 1/2 turns of the collar, so you may want to make your adjustments a 1/2 turn at a time until you find the setting you're happy with.

Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any more questions.

OTIS · « **Reply #123 on:** July 16, 2005, 01:59:29 AM »

Thanks Brian thats enough to ride then Hub can fine tune.

OTIS [smiley=laugh.gif]

starvin · « **Reply #124 on:** July 16, 2005, 08:34:33 PM »

Your right lameduck I pulled out my directions you use the 4 shouldered sleeves with the shoulder in towards the bike. the package only comes with 4 spacers noneof them are used.

hdnut · « **Reply #125 on:** July 16, 2005, 09:01:59 PM »

I started at two turns on my 12 inch hd,I have since backed them off to 1 turn.I think 1.5 turns is going too be perfect for me. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]Unloaded tour pack on, me 225 lbs wife 130lbs.

Highjagger · « **Reply #126 on:** July 06, 2009, 04:38:32 PM »

Quote from: Elvis on May 08, 2005, 10:02:53 PM

440 Series shock numbers
Heavy Duty 11.5" : 440-4011B/C
Heavy Duty 12" : 440-4050B/C
Heavy Duty 12.5" : 440-4019B/C
Heavy Duty 13" : 440-4020B/C+
Heavy Duty 13.5" : 440-4021B/C
Standard 11.5" : 440-4006B/C
Standard 12" : 440-4049B/C
Standard 12.5" : 440-4001B/C
Standard 13" : 440-4002B/C+
Standard 13.5" : 440-4003B/C

Where idi you get your numbers , i found these at http://www.onestopmoto.com/product_p/hdps-440sd-005.htm
I recognized that some numbers are different , why ?
For example : The 12" standard

11.5" Standard Duty (Black) - P/N 440-4059B: (Ships in 3-4 Days)
11.5" Standard Duty (Chrome) - P/N 440-4059C [Add $40.00]: (Ships in 3-4 Days)
12.0" Standard Duty (Black) - P/N 440-4061B: (Ships in 3-4 Days)
12.0" Standard Duty (Chrome) - P/N 440-4061C [Add $40.00]: (Ships in 3-4 Days)
12.5" Standard Duty (Black) - P/N 440-4001B: (In Stock)
12.5" Standard Duty (Chrome) - P/N 440-4001C [Add $40.00]: (In Stock)
13" Standard Duty (Black) - P/N 440-4002B: (In Stock)
13" Standard Duty (Chrome) - P/N 440-4002C [Add $40.00]: (In Stock)
13.5" Standard Duty (Black) - P/N 440-4003B: (In Stock)
13.5" Standard Duty (Chrome) - 440-4003C [Add $40.00

Oh , i see , you gposted numbers and prices in 08 , mine are upto 09 , perhaps that is the difference .

Warhawk · « **Reply #127 on:** October 08, 2010, 12:27:33 PM »

Going through the old posts and bring back some topics that are relevant to me and my 'new to me' '04 SEEG.

I just got home yesterday after putting over 1000 miles on my pumpkin in 3 days, not a record I know but it was all back roads and some of it on extremely rough back roads. I am just shy of 2 years out from neck fusion surgery, and am having some of the worst pain since the surgery. Those stock air shocks have to go!

I'm planning on a set of Progressive 940's, does anyone have any comments on these?

DesertHOG · « **Reply #128 on:** October 08, 2010, 01:28:37 PM »

Quote from: Elvis on May 08, 2005, 10:02:53 PM

440 Series shock numbers
Heavy Duty 11.5" : 440-4011B/C
Heavy Duty 12" : 440-4050B/C
Heavy Duty 12.5" : 440-4019B/C
Heavy Duty 13" : 440-4020B/C+
Heavy Duty 13.5" : 440-4021B/C
Standard 11.5" : 440-4006B/C
Standard 12" : 440-4049B/C
Standard 12.5" : 440-4001B/C
Standard 13" : 440-4002B/C+
Standard 13.5" : 440-4003B/C

Trying to understand the application for 13.5" HD.. which I am considering. I have a '11 FLTRUSE and my touring load is well over 400#s. I am also 6'3" tall.

So when my BSR is in place, we have rough rides if we hit small potholes, bumps and road blemishes.
Does 13.5" make sense or should I be looking at 13"?

Thanks
DesertHOG

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