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[HOGMIKE]

I had the dealership do a "bone stock" (exactly as the bike was from the factory) SEUC 110 dyno run before my engine build. It was no additional charge as both the dealer and I wanted to know how much improvement the build would achieve. Here's the bone stock dyno.

77hp & 100 ft/lbs

Do you have the "after"?

[JCZ]

I had the dealership do a "bone stock" (exactly as the bike was from the factory) SEUC 110 dyno run before my engine build. It was no additional charge as both the dealer and I wanted to know how much improvement the build would achieve. Here's the bone stock dyno.

77hp & 100 ft/lbs

So my guess that the stock 110 doe have more power than the stock 103 (based on HD's claims at the time.....which we all know was/is higher than actual).  And this is why I said (when I bought the 10 SESG, that I was impressed with the stock power.  Put a tuner behind those stock numbers (to richen it up a bit) and you'll have a pretty nice running "stock" bike.

I'm with Hogmike....like to see the after numbers and what you did to it?

[Heatwave]

Do you have the "after"?

I'm not done with the tuning or the build. So far I've done the following:

• Headwork done by Hillside (10.5:1)
• SE Roller Rockers
• S&S valve springs
• 58mm Throttlebody
• 5.3gm/sec SE injectors
• Woods 408-6 cams
• SE Adjustable pushrods
• SuperTuner
• Ventilator Air Cleaner

I also had the cat removed from the stock headpipe and replaced the stock baffles with Fullsac 2.25's. Unfortunately I believe (and the tuner) that this exhaust setup is really holding the engine back. The original tune by the dealership resulted in 114/114 but the low speed throttle response was simply unacceptable. After retuning the bike its now at 110/110 but well below its potential for this engine build which should be around 120/120.

Next week I install D&D Boss FatCat exhaust and the dealership is sending their 2 Master Techs back to Harley school in the first week of Jan. to get more experience with the new SuperTuner. They will take my bike back in the middle of January to retune it at no charge. Hopefully they get enough training with the 2010 SuperTuner to make a difference. If not, the bike is off to a more experienced tuner to get it dialed in before the spring. Hopefully I'll have a "dialed-in" dyno graph to post by mid-Jan.

[HOGMIKE]

I'm not done with the tuning or the build. So far I've done the following:

• Headwork done by Hillside (10.5:1)
• SE Roller Rockers
• S&S valve springs
• 58mm Throttlebody
• 5.3gm/sec SE injectors
• Woods 408-6 cams
• SE Adjustable pushrods
• SuperTuner
• Ventilator Air Cleaner

I also had the cat removed from the stock headpipe and replaced the stock baffles with Fullsac 2.25's. Unfortunately I believe (and the tuner) that this exhaust setup is really holding the engine back. The original tune by the dealership resulted in 114/114 but the low speed throttle response was simply unacceptable. After retuning the bike its now at 110/110 but well below its potential for this engine build which should be around 120/120.

Next week I install D&D Boss FatCat exhaust and the dealership is sending their 2 Master Techs back to Harley school in the first week of Jan. to get more experience with the new SuperTuner. They will take my bike back in the middle of January to retune it at no charge. Hopefully they get enough training with the 2010 SuperTuner to make a difference. If not, the bike is off to a more experienced tuner to get it dialed in before the spring. Hopefully I'll have a "dialed-in" dyno graph to post by mid-Jan.

With your build now, I would expect that you should see those numbers!
One of my friends has a hot 107 that is there, and my "mild" 113 is there. You should have no problem getting there with a good tune.
Keep us updated when you get it back on the dyno.
Good luck!

[jfh]

My 2009 stage II 103 (same cams as the Stage I 110, basic difference 7 cubes) will outpull a Stage I 110 CVO. It does have a TTS and Fulsac muffler cores, so still not exactly apples to apples. I would like to see my 103 up next to a 110 with TTS and Fulsac cores for a real comparison. Apples to apples, I don't think the 110 has as much advantage over the 103 as the 103 had over the 88, or 95, but that's just my opinion. Also need to see a couple of years of the 110 without any motor problems before I would trust one. HP doesn't seem to have much bearing on either motor if running the 255 cams. That TQ curve is really what moves it.

jb

JB,

The 103 Stage II kit produces 10:1 compression with the flat top pistons and stock heads on an '09, slightly less on the 2010 (9.7:1). If it can out pull a Stage I CVO 110 (9.3 CR for 2009 and 9.15 CR for 2010), that's the reason why. Everything else being equal, the additional 6% displacement of the 110 will provide more power. It's a bigger pump.

[jfh]

Interesting.  If you don't mind me asking.......why would you pay the money for a dyno pull on a totally stock bike?  Just curious.

JCZ,

I know it was a long time ago, but according to post #5 on this thread. You claimed 84.3 HP and 89.8 lb ft of torque on your stock SEEG. Why did you do a dyno pull on a totally stock bike?

[GtreetSlide]

JB,

The 103 Stage II kit produces 10:1 compression with the flat top pistons and stock heads on an '09, slightly less on the 2010 (9.7:1). If it can out pull a Stage I CVO 110 (9.3 CR for 2009 and 9.15 CR for 2010), that's the reason why. Everything else being equal, the additional 6% displacement of the 110 will provide more power. It's a bigger pump.

Hey, thanks for that info. I wasn't sure why the 103 pulls so good, but didn't realize the compression difference.

jb

[jfh]

Hey, thanks for that info. I wasn't sure why the 103 pulls so good, but didn't realize the compression difference.

jb

Between the narrow timing of the SE-255 and the added compression I'll bet it pulls real nice.

[Mikey]

I dyno'd my stock 2003 FLHRSE2 in 2003. I put Vance and Hines slip ons and that is it. The dealer told me it had a Sreamin Eagle filter and Stage 1 down load from the factory! The dealers didn't know much about the 103 at that time. I was disappointed with 80 HP and 85 Lbs torque, but have found that is common "true" numbers. Later I added air filter, Yuill Brothers true duals and YB14SE cams, gear drives and race tuner and brought it up to 100 HP and 110 Lbs torque "true" numbers!

[happyman]

what is the diff. in a stock 103 cvo motor,  vrs a stock 110 cvo  motor, and  whats the diff., when both have a stage one upgrade?

the one thing that wil make a huge differance is the fact the older bike has a 5 speed gearbox and  lot differant gear ratio.  the losses of the new bikes  theought the gears and gearing is a factor,   put that 110" in a 5 speed bike and then dyno it.    results wil be differant than if the same motor is in the early model bike just the way it is unfortunately.

[JDOFLHRIDER]

At my dealer they always do a stock pull ,after parts install pull and a finish tune pull.That way you can see how good of work they do. when I asked about the limited hp 70-80 range and 110 stock 75-90s range and they said their is alot spread on the bikes with same motors showing alot of inconsistaincy .  ride safe jdo

[happyman]

At my dealer they always do a stock pull ,after parts install pull and a finish tune pull.That way you can see how good of work they do. when I asked about the limited hp 70-80 range and 110 stock 75-90s range and they said their is alot spread on the bikes with same motors showing alot of inconsistaincy .  ride safe jdo

true. but  the spread between the  early model 5 speed, and the late model 6 speed  comparing  hp and tq  using same parts will be much differant..

[HD Street Performance]

 
Yep about 10%

[happyman]

Yep about 10%

dynoed my new  Ultra  LTd after i had  three thousand miles on it.  had some low numbers but its amazing how good it feels even with the numbers.  65.7 hp and 76.5 tq. but the new gear ratios make it feel like more

[geezerglide]

dynoed my new  Ultra  LTd after i had  three thousand miles on it.  had some low numbers but its amazing how good it feels even with the numbers.  65.7 hp and 76.5 tq. but the new gear ratios make it feel like more

Happyman,

Review the changes in HP & TQ with a few mods in the post Dyno Results on my 103" 2010 ULTRA Limited. Did not take a lot.

geezerglide