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[Twolanerider]

In some communities kids are required to wear helmets while bicycle riding.......

Yes.....   And your point is?

[Twolanerider]

The government makes bad decisions when interfering with survival of the fittest.
The government makes bad government when it oversteps its bounds
The government makes bad government when it tells you they have to make inane laws and restrictions to prove to the masses how free that the masses are.

Yes, which is exactly what we just pointed out in illustrating that mandating a policy based on bad application of data or poor assumptions would lead to bad or intrusive overall policy decisions.  We were just subtle  [smiley=7.gif]  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

[starvin]

O.K. I've got a couple of pennies to throw in, If its O.K. for government to mandate helmet laws becuse the cost of crashes would be less, why should'nt they outlaw motorcycles all together, your obviously safer in a car. I see some of these guys with thier crocth rockets helmets and full leathers with the way they drive and me with no helmet and the way I drive theres no doubt they have a better chance of a insurance claim than me.  Personally I will not have a bike if I have to wear a helmet most of the time I don't see the point, but I don't think I would ride if i had kids at home and a family to support.

Dave

[Twolanerider]

Breakfast anyone?

We're at the WAFFLE HOUSE

No, MFG, notsomuch.  No real waffling when you write:

"The government makes bad decisions when interfering with survival of the fittest.
The government makes bad government when it oversteps its bounds
The government makes bad government when it tells you they have to make inane laws and restrictions to prove to the masses how free that the masses are. "


Just before that the same thing had been illustrated by suggesting a hypothetical series of events that ends up with a mandate for everyone including kids in shopping carts to be wearing helmets.  You're directly describing bad policy.  Bad policy had simply been illustrated with more subtlety previously.  You just didn't get it.

[starvin]

The government makes bad decisions when interfering with survival of the fittest.
The government makes bad government when it oversteps its bounds
The government makes bad government when it tells you they have to make inane laws and restrictions to prove to the masses how free that the masses are.

 
Mike, It sounds like your almost quoting the great govener of Mn. Jessie (the body) Ventura, "stupidity is gods way of thining out the weak"

[Twolanerider]

O.K. I've got a couple of pennies to throw in, If its O.K. for government to mandate helmet laws becuse the cost of crashes would be less, why should'nt they outlaw motorcycles all together,
Dave

Hey Dave, absolutely play along  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif].

Unfortunately the short answer is that gov't could (outlaw motorcycles entirely).  Driving is a privilege (or at least a granted right) after all and can be limited or controlled based on a variety factors (age, enironmental effects, and God knows how many other ideas some hare brained legislature might come up with).  

It's also certainly the case that some types of motor vehicular transportation is already banned on public highways (for being too large or too small or too slow or too noisy; just to name a few).  So a governmental entity at some level could "ban" motorcycles.  

Fortunately in any practical sense we don't have to worry about it except on the most limited of scales.  There is an effective lobby.  There is important historical precedent.  And even though we're not a starri decisis system precedent does count for a tremendous amount.  We also have our culture of appreciating individual freedoms and open spaces.   So just because gov't could, it ain't anything to lose any sleep over.  Hell, the Europeans still get to ride so we don't have anything to worry about  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] .

[starvin]

in case some people don't  know Jesse made that quote when he was being pressured to enact a law to prevent snowmobilers from going out on to frozen lakes too soon. It was after a few went threw the ice and drowned. Unfortunate but I still loved the quote.

[Twolanerider]

O.K. thats the second funniest quote I heard. [smiley=drink.gif]

Starvin, just noticed the picture.  It's hard to tell with all the cool blue lights but what is the bike that is all lit up there?  Seeing that great pic just reminds how much I need to get the red lights from Dude installed.

[starvin]

Twolanerider, the lights are on my seeg. I had them installed by Steel Horse Nitelites at the millwaukee dealer rally last year. Paid $420 kind of expensive but I couldn't of done the job they did.

[Twolanerider]

Twolanerider, the lights are on my seeg. I had them installed by Steel Horse Nitelites at the millwaukee dealer rally last year. Paid $420 kind of expensive but I couldn't of done the job they did.

That pic is very sharp Starvin.  I'm hoping to cheap out on mine and not have nearly that much tied up in the illumination.  Dude from here on the site sold me what I'm sure will prove to be a nice bunch of lights for about a hundred bucks.  The rest of how sanitary the install proves to be will depend on how handy I prove to be.  Just hope it looks close to as good as yours when its done.

[MObe]

"  Of course those drivers then switch to something else without the requirement and the class moves.  Eventually everyone (including kids in shopping carts) have to wear helmets just because Mobe pointed out that everyone drives trucks !!    

Geez, thanks Mobe !!!! "

Just doing my part for a safer America!!!!   [smiley=beerchug.gif]

[Daddyschog]

In Pa its riders choice! [smiley=laugh.gif]  We became free a little more than one year ago.  I say free the brothers and sisters in WV.  Let those who ride decide! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

[Screamin]

In Pa its riders choice! [smiley=laugh.gif]

[Twolanerider]

And then here it is.

[HUBBARD]

Hey Guys,