Topic: MINING TRADGEDY (Read 4357 times)

HUBBARD · « **on:** January 04, 2006, 12:53:33 PM »

Ladies and Gentlemen of this Great Site,
This may be somewhat non-related to our Cause, but I feel compelled to express my thoughts concerning the terrible Mining accident, in the Northern part of the Great State Of WV, which has resulted in the untimely death of 12 Miners. As I was raised in a Coal Camp, and my Father was killed in a Mining accident, I can relate to the pain and suffering these people are experiencing. Most of the People outside of WV, just don't realize how dangerous the work environment is, for Underground Miners, and, that the result of their efforts "Keeps the Lights On", for Millions of Americans. For those of us here, who believe in Prayer, I humbly ask you to summon the Almighty, to comfort these Widows and Orphans, and give them strength. They're gonna' need it. Thank you--HUBBARD

ccr · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2006, 01:13:03 PM »

Been thinking about this tragedy all day.

HUBBARD · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2006, 01:36:41 PM »

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Been thinking about this tragedy all day.

BLM777 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2006, 02:18:45 PM »

I'm glad you posted this thread Hub. I was about to send you a PM on this subject after staying up a good bit of the night watching the coverage. One of my closest friends was killed some years back in a collapse after returning to the family mining business in KY. I can speak from personal experience that these are some of the most hardworking, loyal and true Americans to be found. I hope everyone understands the enormity of the loss of these men and the impact on their families. Please convey my prayers and sympathies to your many friends in the industry.

CVOJOE · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2006, 03:09:00 PM »

Thanks for the insight Hub.It's truly a tragedy.

My grandfather and great-uncle were coal miners way back when, and I still remember their great stories and how quiet they got whenver there was another mine disaster. Even long after they were out of that business. My thoughts and prayers go out to the familes.

The news media have become sluts to their ratings and profit centers, fighting over who will be first to break news and get headlines. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, much less how it affects or hurts people after the fact.

UK Dave · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2006, 03:28:02 PM »

Amen to all the previous sentiments - here in UK we too have had our share of mining losses.

My heart goes out to the poor families who were led shamelessly by the media whores to believe a miracle had happend only to have their hopes cruelly dashed when the truth was made public.

My thoughts are with them at this terrible time

Dave

BadAss2 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2006, 04:45:33 PM »

God Bless and care for the families left behind. The coal industry supports a hugh part of business that Cummins Engine Company I work for receive and I have the utmost respect for these hard working people.

JCZ · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2006, 05:29:33 PM »

As a kid (12/13 yrs. old), I got to experience living in a mining community in Utah for several years. I remember it very well. My prayers go out for these guys and for their families, friends and all the other miners that are still going down there!

Laker · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2006, 09:04:35 PM »

I echo the sentiments of the previous posts. Our thought and prayers are with all the families involved.

Jock · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2006, 09:55:01 PM »

A tragic event, like others, that should never go unforgotten.

We all have a purpose on this earth and will realize it sooner or later.

GOD Bless ALL those involved.

Jock

Twolanerider · « **Reply #10 on:** January 04, 2006, 10:00:03 PM »

Was reading some news last night when the initial reports of survivors started bleeding across the wire services. Then later as the corrected reports started showing up. It was horrifying. Impossible to get your mind around what the families and friends suffered through during that short span of time when you know they couldn't force themselves to believe the "new" news as the death reports started coming in.

Hub, when you hit the roads to the west the mining in the upper states is all open. Given all the safety issues and greater health concerns it seems that most coal mining in the US is done that way anymore. Does your part of country still have a lot of deep shaft mining? Or is it just that whatever fewer deep shaft mines are left are the ones more likely to suffer accidents so those are the ones we hear about?

Grover · « **Reply #11 on:** January 04, 2006, 11:19:09 PM »

They are in my prayers. I've been thinking about them all day.

God Bless and give them strength.

Grover

RedFXR2 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2006, 10:33:02 AM »

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KXL · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2006, 12:00:06 PM »

Hubbard -- thanks for the post.

Same sentiments as others.

Prayers and condolences to families and friends of those lost.

JR · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2006, 06:33:50 PM »

We all don't know when, where, or how we will go. When a tragedy like this happens I realize I have NO PROBLEMS and Thank the Lord for giving me another day on this earth. My Faith gives me peace and I do not fear death. As a believer in Jesus Christ we have victory over death and death is the beginning of life, Eternal Life! John 3:16

When ever I see any tragedy, especially a young person, it weighs heavily on my heart. These families need All our prayers and love. I pray for God's peace and strength to all the families and pray that they are ministered to in their time of grief so they may have Hope!

Thanks for post Hub.

JR

HUBBARD · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2006, 07:46:11 PM »

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Was reading some news last night when the initial reports of survivors started bleeding across the wire services.

naitram · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2006, 08:57:42 AM »

i saw one of the mine owners on the news this AM, he says the board voted to start a fund for the familiys of $2,000,000. when asked why only 2 million since he him self is a billionare he backpedaled and said that was just a start and he wanted the country to send donations. then when asked we he hadnt given any of his personal money ( he is a billionaire ) he said he was going to wait and see what was donated first.

i really do feel for the families but i dont think they should live off of donations when the people who own and operate an unsafe mine are swimming in money

grc · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2006, 09:59:46 AM »

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i saw one of the mine owners on the news this AM, he says the board voted to start a fund for the familiys of $2,000,000. when asked why only 2 million since he him self is a billionare he backpedaled and said that was just a start and he wanted the country to send donations. then when asked we he hadnt given any of his personal money ( he is a billionaire ) he said he was going to wait and see what was donated first.

i really do feel for the families but i dont think they should live off of donations when the people who own and operate an unsafe mine are swimming in money

The "gentleman" referenced above is one of the bottom feeders that I truly abhor.

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #18 on:** January 07, 2006, 08:24:00 PM »

Life is hard and for some it seems harder than others. While I would not exchange the American way of life for any other, whenever stuff like this happens it makes me so sad. For every young boy or girl who lost a parent. For every wife who lost a husband. For every mother and father who lost a son. Why is it that those who work the hardest, treat their fellow man the best and are the backbone of our great nation seem to matter so little. I have waited a couple days to post anything on this as I wanted to see how long it took for it not to be news. About 4 days and only that because of the screw-up on information. The media had to fall all over itself in a disgusting display of self examination in which the actual point ( lives lost) seemed to disappear. And yet, Peter freakin Jennings, who would not let Toby Keith sing his great patriotic song "Courtesy of the USA" on a 4th of July telecast is still being "mourned" by the self serving talking heads on the idiot box. Someone once told me that people who read the comics before the obituary's live longer. I think I'll just read the comics. God Bless the working men and women of this country and screw the fact cats who have such little regard for anything beyond who is where on the effin Forbes list. Is it me, or is the destiny of the middle class receding to what it was 100 years ago. My prayers go out to those who lost loved ones.

grc · « **Reply #19 on:** January 07, 2006, 10:39:11 PM »

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............. Why is it that those who work the hardest, treat their fellow man the best and are the backbone of our great nation seem to matter so little. ............................. God Bless the working men and women of this country and screw the fat cats who have such little regard for anything beyond who is where on the effin Forbes list. [highlight]Is it me, or is the destiny of the middle class receding to what it was 100 years ago[/highlight]. My prayers go out to those who lost loved ones.

No, it isn't you.

Laker · « **Reply #20 on:** January 07, 2006, 10:45:39 PM »

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The "gentleman" referenced above is one of the bottom feeders that I truly abhor.

Ceej · « **Reply #21 on:** January 07, 2006, 11:32:19 PM »

On the point of the lawsuit, I'm thinking there may not be one. We have all heard of the couple of hundred violations the mine had been cited for of course, but the tragedy seems to have stemmed from a sealed off abandoned shaft. This shaft may have had some methane gas that was then ignited from a lightening strike. This caused it to explode and blow out the seal filling the immeadiate area with dust and smoke. The active mine areas were fine, the miners did what they were trained to do under federal guidelines and sought shelter in an alcove deeper in the mine than where the explosion took place not knowing they were not blocked in by anything and actually had enough oxygen to make it to clean air a few thousand feet away. Thats the heartbreaking point, but as far as negligence that the company may have been guilty of that led to the tragedy - I don't see one here. I feel for the families, and I detest the incompetence that led to the false reports. The heartbreak the reports led to is gutwrenching. I also feel for the guy that had the horror to realize the guys weren't alive all the while the families were celebrating - imagine knowing you had to go give them that news. But a lawsuit? Against who? For what?

greglyon · « **Reply #22 on:** January 08, 2006, 08:57:29 AM »

In most states laws have been passed to prevent any type of lawsuit against the employer for negligence. In those instances the families are limited to worker's compensation survivor benefits.
We will have to wait and see if the families have any other legal rights.

SEUC-OCD · « **Reply #23 on:** January 09, 2006, 08:17:34 PM »

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In most states laws have been passed to prevent any type of lawsuit against the employer for negligence...

I could stomach it with some difficulty if they hadn't been written up with 16+ serious violations. This seems to me like negligent homocide.

Another crook getting away with murder... literally.

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #24 on:** January 09, 2006, 08:43:21 PM »

[highlight]I don't want to hijack this thread, but [/highlight] GRC I agree, but where do we stand and be counted. I know I make inappropriate posts at times cause I get wound up on a subject but hopefully my heart shows through. Seems like a lot of folks I talk to think like you and me yet none of us seem to be able to do much about it. Sorry to get off on this, but watching the families of those men on TV yesterday deal with their loss made me mad as much as sad Hubbard's post to start this thread indicates that this has been going on since the first miner dug the first mine other than his own. Who speaks for those men and women other than folks like Hubbard who know first hand the sorrow and you and me who want to do something but don't even know where to start

HUBBARD · « **Reply #25 on:** January 09, 2006, 09:26:09 PM »

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I could stomach it with some difficulty if they hadn't been written up with 16+ serious violations.

SEUC-OCD · « **Reply #26 on:** January 09, 2006, 10:22:39 PM »

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Yeah, 'er 'uh, SEUC-OCD,

HUBBARD · « **Reply #27 on:** January 10, 2006, 02:59:05 PM »

Yeah, 'er 'uh, SEUC-OCD,
Thank you for your kind remarks. grc may have been referring to Wilbur Ross, the Founder of ICG, (International Coal Group). I cannot speak of his character, as I do not know this man. Later--HUBBARD

grc · « **Reply #28 on:** January 10, 2006, 03:16:56 PM »

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Yeah, 'er 'uh, SEUC-OCD,

HUBBARD · « **Reply #29 on:** January 10, 2006, 03:31:02 PM »

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Hub,

That's who I was talking about.

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