Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 09:07:36 AM
:indian_chief:
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 09:11:36 AM
Miker
Post by: mr_magoo on September 28, 2007, 09:15:49 AM
Post by: SCRM-R on September 28, 2007, 09:32:25 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on September 28, 2007, 09:40:57 AM
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 09:48:53 AM
Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel. :rifle:
Is that a Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?
I'm really interested in what everyone does when travelling. Is it don't ask, don't tell, or do you leave at home when on long trips?
:indian_chief:
Post by: porthole on September 28, 2007, 10:07:49 AM
Post by: TN on September 28, 2007, 10:18:55 AM
i'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
i do have a cwp, it only makes me more liable....i pratice saying i felt my life was in danger.
Be Safe
TN
Post by: VAZHOG on September 28, 2007, 10:21:07 AM
I carry a Verizon Wireless cellphone.
Don't Shoot me or I'll Call somebody ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 10:22:26 AM
Is that a Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?
I'm really interested in what everyone does when travelling. Is it don't ask, don't tell, or do you leave at home when on long trips?
:indian_chief:
I don't ask, don't tell and avoid any "showing" or appearance of having cw. I have been accosted by leo's before with them mistaking my cel phone for a cw. The cw was on the other hip, dumb-asses.
Always check the states you are traveling to or through for reciprocity on a cwp because some states do not reciprocate the cwp of your home state and occasionally leo's will ask if you are carrying if you are detained during a traffic stop. Please become aware of the rules as they apply to your home state, I ain't no lawyer I just live in the "Gunshine" State.
Miker
Post by: VAZHOG on September 28, 2007, 10:23:08 AM
An Armed Society is a polite Society ;)
Post by: Hoist! on September 28, 2007, 10:23:14 AM
Hoist! 8)
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 10:24:50 AM
wouldn't leave home without it.
i'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
i do have a cwp, it only makes me more liable....i pratice saying i felt my life was in danger.
Be Safe
TN
Yupper!,
"Officer, I felt I was in danger for my life and would like to speak to my lawyer".
Make sure there is no one to sue you for disability too.
Miker
Post by: naitram on September 28, 2007, 10:26:21 AM
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:28:04 AM
I don't ask, don't tell and avoid any "showing" or appearance of having cw. I have been accosted by leo's before with them mistaking my cel phone for a cw. The cw was on the other hip, dumb-asses.
Always check the states you are traveling to or through for reciprocity on a cwp because some states do not reciprocate the cwp of your home state and occasionally leo's will ask if you are carrying if you are detained during a traffic stop. Please become aware of the rules as they apply to your home state, I ain't no lawyer I just live in the "Gunshine" State.
Miker
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?
:indian_chief:
Post by: VAZHOG on September 28, 2007, 10:28:13 AM
Yupper!,
"Officer, I felt I was in danger for my life and would like to speak to my lawyer".
Make sure there is no one to sue you for disability too.
Miker
Should you have to shoot always empty the gun (that proves you were very frightend) and it is way cheaper to bury someone than care for them than a long term disability. ;)
Post by: Hoist! on September 28, 2007, 10:29:29 AM
Should you have to shoot always empty the gun (that proves you were very frightend) and it is way cheaper to bury someone than care for them than a long term disability. ;)
Yeap, and dead men tell no lies! ;)
Hoist! 8)
Post by: VAZHOG on September 28, 2007, 10:31:28 AM
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?
:indian_chief:
Be prepared to post bail and return for your court appearance.
Post by: Fired00d on September 28, 2007, 10:32:10 AM
Is that a Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?;)
I'm really interested in what everyone does when travelling. Is it don't ask, don't tell, or do you leave at home when on long trips?
:indian_chief:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: naitram on September 28, 2007, 10:33:34 AM
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?
:indian_chief:
its not always that simple. its not just state to state but some local ordinaces you need to deal with as well. places like boston for intance. who decided that MA law ( already the strcitest in the US ) didnt go far enough
Post by: 16HD117 on September 28, 2007, 10:35:01 AM
In the tour pack: Springfield XD45 Compact http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?model=23
Pocket: Smith & Wesson 342PD Titanium .38: http://www.gunblast.com/SW_342PD.htm
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 10:41:22 AM
Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel. :rifle:
I play paintball too, we go to the mtns a lot, here's some of our team at a friends paintball field.
Tippmann 98C Bigshot 9" barrel, dye grips, and shadow cocker.
I carry a 38 special, or my Ruger 45.
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:43:48 AM
I play paintball too, we go to the mtns a lot, here's some of our team at a friends paintball field.
Tippmann 98C Bigshot 9" barrel, dye grips, and shadow cocker.
I carry a 38 special, or my Ruger 45.
Slightly off-topic, but I've often yearned for a paintball gun at times on the road. It would be nice to be able to mark the idiots on the road so others would know what to expect.
:indian_chief:
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 10:43:55 AM
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?
:indian_chief:
Then I will not carry a firearm concealed on my person.
Try this link.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php
Miker
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:47:49 AM
I usually carry two.
In the tour pack: Springfield XD45 Compact http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?model=23
Pocket: Smith & Wesson 342PD Titanium .38: http://www.gunblast.com/SW_342PD.htm
Well, this one's for me.
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The Smith & Wesson J-frame .38 Special has been around for over fifty years now in its original "Chief’s Special" configuration. Since then, S&W has added many variations of the original, but the J-frame line of thirty-eights is still the standard to which all other small frame revolvers are compared.
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Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:50:08 AM
Then I will not carry a firearm concealed on my person.
Try this link.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php
Miker
The information in that map is what originated this thread. If you look at Georgia, it appears as there are a lot of people that don't want me carrying in their state.
Is it something we did?
:indian_chief:
Post by: Midnight Rider on September 28, 2007, 10:52:25 AM
I was also advised to empty the chamber in the chest cavity. If you're going to shoot, shoot to kill, otherwise don't bother carrying the weapon.
There is no good answer to carrying across jurisdictions...they may or may not honor the permit. You just take your chances.
Post by: electraglideclyde on September 28, 2007, 10:53:37 AM
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:55:46 AM
Sig Sauer 239 .40 caliber / Glock 23 .40 caliber. Never leave home without it. All the bad guys have guns, I'm just trying to level the playing field. I practice and am proficient. I feel I have a better chance than some crackhead trying to shoot with the gun sideways. It seems no place is safe anymore. Here in the Atlanta area, they are even robbing Waffle Houses. Besided, I usually ride with two LEO's and I'm just back-up.
In case they run out of ammo? :D
:indian_chief:
Post by: electraglideclyde on September 28, 2007, 10:56:30 AM
Sig Sauer 239 .40 caliber / Glock 23 .40 caliber. Never leave home without it. All the bad guys have guns, I'm just trying to level the playing field. I practice and am proficient. I feel I have a better chance than some crackhead trying to shoot with the gun sideways. It seems no place is safe anymore. Here in the Atlanta area, they are even robbing Waffle Houses. Besided, I usually ride with two LEO's and I'm just back-up.
P.S. The old military rule applies. Never draw your weapon unless you intend to fire. Never fire your weapon unless you intend to kill.
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:58:06 AM
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:indian_chief:
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 11:07:39 AM
The information in that map is what originated this thread. If you look at Georgia, it appears as there are a lot of people that don't want me carrying in their state.
Is it something we did?
:indian_chief:
I don't know what happened with Georgians, I find them most accommodating. When I have to drive through the nonreciprocal state I would remove the weapon from my person and store it unloaded and locked in a secure box in the vehicle.
I do know you don't want to be too many places down here without one or even two!
Post by: MikeD on September 28, 2007, 11:44:01 AM
Post by: SBB on September 28, 2007, 11:52:55 AM
P.S. The old military rule applies. Never draw your weapon unless you intend to fire. Never fire your weapon unless you intend to kill.
Exactly!
Sig 229 in 357.
If I'm there it is also.
:2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 12:16:54 PM
Post by: Ironhorse on September 28, 2007, 12:21:24 PM
Don't Shoot me or I'll Call somebody ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No, no, no. It goes like this.
"Don't shoot, or I'll take a video of you with my phone camera, and send the clip along with a text message directly to You-Tube".
Post by: Ironhorse on September 28, 2007, 12:24:00 PM
P.S. The old military rule applies. Never draw your weapon unless you intend to fire. Never fire your weapon unless you intend to kill.
An old timer I worked with used to say:
"Never draw in anger, never holster in fear"
I always got a kick out of that one.
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 12:33:53 PM
No, no, no. It goes like this.
"Don't shoot, or I'll take a video of you with my phone camera, and send the clip along with a text message directly to You-Tube".
First round is for the phone!
:indian_chief:
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 12:48:39 PM
This may be easier to mount, certainly cheaper to shoot and bet the message would get across.
That's cool, what is it?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 01:34:13 PM
Miker
Post by: Free on September 28, 2007, 01:51:41 PM
i have thought about this quite a bit lately because i may be motocycling camping with my son for a week or two and feel like i should have something for an emergency. I like the snubnose S&W 38 hammerless due to its size. Curious what other ones you would recommend for this type of application.
Free
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 01:54:40 PM
Miker
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 01:55:51 PM
Miker
Post by: Free on September 28, 2007, 02:12:54 PM
Oop, sorry, it is a Taurus 410 shot 45 colt combo, that shouls slow down and hogs or bears.
Miker
Miker
how would that compare with a S&W 38. Bigger slug but heavier? which would be easier to shoot?
Free
Post by: BigMike on September 28, 2007, 02:16:59 PM
Glock Model 19 9mm w/black talon hollow points 15+1
Post by: LRebel on September 28, 2007, 02:32:27 PM
Here in Oklahoma a good upstanding lawabiding citizen can get a concealed weapon license>>> And we like it that way!
If you have a concealed carry license, you need to be aware of not only what the law is in states you may visit, you must also be aware of where you can and can not carry in your state (example: schools, federal buildings, court,....).
If I visit a state that does not recognize my Okla. conceal carry license, I store it away in a bag in the tourpak and then behave myself.
Don't leave home without it
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 02:34:08 PM
Never carried on the bike, but I never leave for a road trip in the car without it. The rules in each state are so different, I just put it in my bag and don't worry about it.
Glock Model 19 9mm w/black talon hollow points 15+1
Like stated before, it's not even by state, it can be city or county laws. Denver has a strict law on guns, some hunters have gotten in trouble just traveling thru Denver. But in most of Colorado you can carry a gun in a holster almost anywhere, as long as it's not concealed.
Post by: Midnight Rider on September 28, 2007, 02:43:22 PM
Miker
how would that compare with a S&W 38. Bigger slug but heavier? which would be easier to shoot?
Free
Not speaking for Miker...
The 45 will be heavier, and have more kick to it generally. I have the S&W Titanium 38 hammerless. I like it because it is so light and compact. If you put the right kind of round in it, it will kick ass and take names. I also have an old Chief's Special that stays by my bedside. Would a 38 or 45 stop a Grizzly bear...no, but neither will any handgun, unless it's got a 9 inch barrel with a scope so you can start shooting when the bear is 100 yards away. All a handgun is going to do with a large mammal is piss him/her off.
It's the two legged mammals we need to worry about, and a 38 +P with a nice round in it will do more than enough damage. If a couple of chest shots don't stop 'em, blow their kneecaps off, then finish the job. If it takes more than 5 shots, you're screwed anyway, 'cause they'll be on top of you.
Another nice handgun, IMO, is a Walther PPK in stainless. 380 round (like a 9mm short), 9 shot, and you can put it in your back pocket.
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 03:17:53 PM
Horrible to shoot but would put a hole in anything if it didn't the noise and flash would scare anything...
The 410-45 can have stopping power in rifled slug/45 colt or you pepper them with shot and let them live...
My Kimber(personal favorite speaking) is very accurate with a match grade barrel an small enough to carry.
With 45 hydrashock it'll penetrate and make a mess out of most stuff.
I still am going to get the 410-45 for rattle snake dipersal at my NFla camp. Scatter guns are best for that kinda duty imho of course. Guns are like tater chips, cain't have just one!
Miker
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 03:26:42 PM
Not speaking for Miker...
The 45 will be heavier, and have more kick to it generally. I have the S&W Titanium 38 hammerless. I like it because it is so light and compact. If you put the right kind of round in it, it will kick ass and take names. I also have an old Chief's Special that stays by my bedside. Would a 38 or 45 stop a Grizzly bear...no, but neither will any handgun, unless it's got a 9 inch barrel with a scope so you can start shooting when the bear is 100 yards away. All a handgun is going to do with a large mammal is piss him/her off.
It's the two legged mammals we need to worry about, and a 38 +P with a nice round in it will do more than enough damage. If a couple of chest shots don't stop 'em, blow their kneecaps off, then finish the job. If it takes more than 5 shots, you're screwed anyway, 'cause they'll be on top of you.
Another nice handgun, IMO, is a Walther PPK in stainless. 380 round (like a 9mm short), 9 shot, and you can put it in your back pocket.
For home defence a 38 S, or a 9mm is probably about right, the bigger guns can go right thru someone or thru a wall and possibly hit someone else in the house. 22L can be deadly because many times they ricochet around off bones causing more damage. My daughter has a 38S derringer.
Post by: Coolbreeze on September 28, 2007, 03:39:15 PM
Then again, I think that anybody that trys to take our guns away from us should be brutally raped by a LARGE band of passing camels and then be repeatedly shot with VERY VERY small guns until thier eventual expiration . Not that I have MUCH of an opinion on this subject you know, but , well, you know, a passing thought anyway.....
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 04:09:57 PM
I carry. period. Legally at home and in most surroundig states, illegally in the others. My theory is.... If the gun is well concealed, no one knows it's there. AND If I behave like I should, I NEVER have confrontational contact with LE. AND When I do have contact with LE, I behave myself and am respectfull and respectable and haven't had trouble there either. (Doesn't mean it can't happen, but so far I've come out just fine)
Then again, I think that anybody that trys to take our guns away from us should be brutally raped by a LARGE band of passing camels and then be repeatedly shot with VERY VERY small guns until thier eventual expiration . Not that I have MUCH of an opinion on this subject you know, but , well, you know, a passing thought anyway.....
I agree! :soapbox:
Post by: Midnight Rider on September 28, 2007, 04:10:40 PM
For home defence a 38 S, or a 9mm is probably about right, the bigger guns can go right thru someone or thru a wall and possibly hit someone else in the house. 22L can be deadly because many times they ricochet around off bones causing more damage. My daughter has a 38S derringer.
A sweet, sweet little auto is the Walther 22L...it is so thin that it will literally fit into your rear jean pocket like a wallet. Talon is correct...a 22L can do some damage, particularly if you can get 7 or 8 in them quickly.
Post by: mr_magoo on September 28, 2007, 05:09:34 PM
Post by: Unbalanced on September 28, 2007, 06:49:11 PM
for carrying it is usually the H&K P7M13 (9mm)
Post by: Coolbreeze on September 28, 2007, 06:50:50 PM
This may help some people, Utah has reciprocity with 29 state and issues non resident permits. We have a gentlemen here in Oregon that gives the classes for Utah.Heeellooooo!!!! That sounds very nice. Would you be so kind as to post or pm the contact info for this gentleman?
Post by: murphy on September 28, 2007, 07:04:30 PM
Wasn't aware that so many of you were carring... is this something unique with CVO dudes?
I'm LEO up here in Canada... can tell you that all the bad guys are better armed than us.
Never say you were in fear for your life, always say you were going to be murdered. Sounds more final.
Can tell you from experience, that in a gunfight things go really fast and are very dynamic, best of luck with the whole double tap process.... goes out the window when the lead starts flying.
No one deserves to be murdered.... but some people need to be killed.
Post by: REGGAB on September 28, 2007, 07:08:28 PM
Post by: Fired00d on September 28, 2007, 07:12:34 PM
Then I will not carry a firearm concealed on my person.Just to make sure I understand this correctly. On this map you enter the state(s) you have a CWP in, and all the states that come up blue honor the state(s) CWP you were issued?
Try this link.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php
Miker
If that is the case I wouldn't mind getting a permit from Utah also if they issued "Non Resident" permits.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: BlueFlames on September 28, 2007, 07:32:32 PM
Did have an intersting encounter a few years ago though that made me very nervous- was heading to a full honors funeral at Arlington for a close friend. Having not been there for many years did not realize the only way to get to where I was going was through the military base entrance. Exited the highway to the entrance and entered the base only to find a checkpoint where they were doing thorough car searches and the signs clearly stated no weapons. Couldn't have turned around at that point if I wanted to and would not have missed the funeral anyway. When I made it to the guard I immediately explained that I had a weapon in the car, showed him my permit and explained how important it was for me to make it to the funeral. He spoke to his superior who let me park my car in the closest lot on the base to the entrance and then called for an MP to drive me to where I needed to be and came back and picked me up at the end.
Post by: BlueFlames on September 28, 2007, 07:35:26 PM
If that is the case I wouldn't mind getting a permit from Utah also if they issued "Non Resident" permits.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Somewhere I have the name of a guy in NOVA who teaches the required Utah class. I will find it and post. Was planning on taking it and then the range in Woodbridge where he taught burned up. Forgot about it after that.
Post by: Glide-man on September 28, 2007, 07:47:18 PM
I'm very respectful to LEO, having many in my family.
I carry everywhere (and travel) except work
I have been known-ed to mow my yard packing. (Warning if you have CCl. First words out of your mouth after being pulled over and answering Officers initial questions should be. I have a CCl and I'm carring now, It's on my right hip or where ever you have it)
. Last time I was stopped Officer told me they have pulled 5 guy's CCL's and weapons for not notifying officer they were packing so far this year. " I would rather have and not need, than need and not have". Some dip chit in Cleveland beat a gastation attendant with a brick for over 5 minuets while 4 people stood by and watched. The guy got tied of beating the attendant in the head and stopped to rest before statring up again. I now have 10 rounds in my clip.....
Post by: Fired00d on September 28, 2007, 07:48:13 PM
Somewhere I have the name of a guy in NOVA who teaches the required Utah class. I will find it and post. Was planning on taking it and then the range in Woodbridge where he taught burned up. Forgot about it after that.Thanks. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 11:13:58 PM
Miker
how would that compare with a S&W 38. Bigger slug but heavier? which would be easier to shoot?
Free
I'll let you know when I get one...My 410 bird gun don't kick much, I have never fired a slug through it but I've seen what it does to doves and tassle cane tops (mostly cane tops).
I have a benelli m4 gas op that with 3 1/2 mag load will make you sore with 6 pulls of the trigger and turn melons n mud into mist. Its a hoot.
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 11:17:16 PM
Just to make sure I understand this correctly. On this map you enter the state(s) you have a CWP in, and all the states that come up blue honor the state(s) CWP you were issued?
If that is the case I wouldn't mind getting a permit from Utah also if they issued "Non Resident" permits.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Hell, I don't know, it wouldn't be on the inner net ifin it weren't true would it? :confused5:
Post by: ccr on September 29, 2007, 03:45:01 AM
Don't ask and Don't Tell - Do I or Don't I ?And every time I've met you, you have been Oh So Polite.
An Armed Society is a polite Society ;)
:huepfenjump3:
Post by: VaEagle on September 29, 2007, 12:43:50 PM
The "fear for your life defense" is the best to use if it can be shown that the suspect had the means and opportunity to use deadly force on you and you did NOT have another choice. You will need to articulate that to the authorities .(with the help of an attorney hopefully)
The phrase "Shoot to kill" is so popular in our culture and even used by police in officer involved shootings. Yet it can cause you problems if the "Victim's" family/attorney ask you if that is how you trained and you answer yes...It now makes you look like a "trained killer" not someone defending themselves from the other person's aggressive and deadly behavior. You need to stop using that phrase and use something along the lines like I wanted to stop him from his attack on me as rapidly as possible. (Same end result for him, you just come across as a person defending yourself.)
As far as carry on a bike, i would keep a weapon on my person as opposed to on the bike since it always a trade-off of access vs. security and there are no real secure vault choices on a bike and if you walk away from your bike and some criminal is closer to the bike you may have just armed him. A weapon for defense is no good if you can't reach it and use it rapidly when you need it.
Post by: VaEagle on September 29, 2007, 01:21:46 PM
Look at the average shooting situation and you will realize that they are fast,short distance and usually one or two on one. There are always strange senarios where one guy is against a gang at 100 yards but that is rare. You also are not very likely to fire more than a few rounds so make it count with accuracy but hit with the largest caliber you can accurately hit your intended target. Remember that person will not just drop like in the movies with one shot but the bigger the caliber the more likely it will happen with less rounds. You will be held legally responible for each and every shot you fire so overpenetration or a stray round hitting a bystander is a concern of course.
When carrying a weapon you need to be concerned with maintenace more frequently due to weather and things like sweat. The finnish should be very durable and not shiny so it will be less visible to others when you want it concealed.
I personally like the Glock model 36 as a potent package that is concealable and durable and accurate.
Caliber
.45 AUTO
System
Safe Action
LENGTH
6.77in/172mm
HEIGHT
4.76in/121mm
WIDTH
1.13in/28.5mm
Barrel Height
1.26in/32mm
Line of Sight
6.18in/157mm
Barrel LENGTH
3.78in/96mm
WEIGHT
20.11oz/570g
LOADED (~)
26.99oz/765g
Mag. Capacity
6
Magazine Mass
Empty: 2.40oz./68g
Full: ~6.88oz/~195g
Trigger Pull
5.5lbs/2.5kg
Trigger Travel
0.5in/12.5mm
Expressly "thinned" for maximum concealability, its frame designed for an easy reach to the trigger for even the shortest adult fingers, this 7-shot .45 Auto is built with "maximum concealment with maximum power" in mind.
Barrel Rifling
right hand, Octagonal
Length of Twist
9.84in/250mm
Internal Locking System
Available
Number of Safeties
3
Post by: Copper/Black Cvo on September 29, 2007, 01:30:31 PM
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Post by: MJZ on September 29, 2007, 10:29:52 PM
Springfield XD 9 mm, with Remington Golden Saber 9mm Luger9 (+P) Hollow Point 10 in clip 1 in chamber. 8) And TRU DOT night sights.
I'm very respectful to LEO, having many in my family.
I carry everywhere (and travel) except work
I have been known-ed to mow my yard packing. (Warning if you have CCl. First words out of your mouth after being pulled over and answering Officers initial questions should be. I have a CCl and I'm carring now, It's on my right hip or where ever you have it)
. Last time I was stopped Officer told me they have pulled 5 guy's CCL's and weapons for not notifying officer they were packing so far this year. " I would rather have and not need, than need and not have". Some dip chit in Cleveland beat a gastation attendant with a brick for over 5 minuets while 4 people stood by and watched. The guy got tied of beating the attendant in the head and stopped to rest before statring up again. I now have 10 rounds in my clip.....
BINGO! :2vrolijk_21: I agree, when pulled over anywhere for any reason, that is the first thing out of my mouth. In some instances (Fl. HP for one) the officer asked as soon as he approached the vehicle but if they don't ask, tell them.
I carry either a Beretta M9 or a S & W (J frame) "Centennial" 357 always, bike or car, trips and locally. I have both a CWP and a county reserve deputy badge and ID, I've never had a problem traveling but as I said above, the first words out of my mouth are to state that I am carrying whenever I am pulled over. For many years I carried the S & W inside the pants belt clip but with age has come more than a few extra pounds and it became too uncomfortable. Now either ankle in summer or the rest of the year, in coat.
Interesting topic, glad you brought it up Chief. :2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: displacing air on September 29, 2007, 11:29:19 PM
Post by: cuthbertss on September 30, 2007, 10:40:08 AM
BINGO! :2vrolijk_21: I agree, when pulled over anywhere for any reason, that is the first thing out of my mouth. In some instances (Fl. HP for one) the officer asked as soon as he approached the vehicle but if they don't ask, tell them.
I carry either a Beretta M9 or a S & W (J frame) "Centennial" 357 always, bike or car, trips and locally. I have both a CWP and a county reserve deputy badge and ID, I've never had a problem traveling but as I said above, the first words out of my mouth are to state that I am carrying whenever I am pulled over. For many years I carried the S & W inside the pants belt clip but with age has come more than a few extra pounds and it became too uncomfortable. Now either ankle in summer or the rest of the year, in coat.
Interesting topic, glad you brought it up Chief. :2vrolijk_21:
Excellent points here..and with HR218, I can carry anywhere..... my question is more along the lines of where you carry? Waistband seems impractical on the bike... I have a crotch holster which in theory works on the bike.. it just the thought of a loaded gun pointed at the boys that slows me down on that one...i've done the vest/ jacket pocket carry, but i find that even my G27 is too freakin heavy to do that with..appreciate your input
Post by: Fired00d on September 30, 2007, 12:03:30 PM
Excellent points here..and with HR218, I can carry anywhere..... my question is more along the lines of where you carry? Waistband seems impractical on the bike... I have a crotch holster which in theory works on the bike.. it just the thought of a loaded gun pointed at the boys that slows me down on that one...i've done the vest/ jacket pocket carry, but i find that even my G27 is too freakin heavy to do that with..appreciate your inputWhat about the fanny packs w/built in holsters? :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: cuthbertss on September 30, 2007, 12:35:45 PM
What about the fanny packs w/built in holsters? :nixweiss:a few challenges with these..not the least of which everyone sees it knows its a holster
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Jock on September 30, 2007, 01:44:00 PM
Anyone got any good ideas how I can pack my Dad's Winchester Model 70 Super grade on LD ? Just kidding, ;D
BB
;D
Post by: FLTRCVO on September 30, 2007, 01:56:24 PM
If so, what do you do when you travel?
:indian_chief:
Para Ordnance P14-45 / Sig Sauer P 245 Notify the different Counties and Sherriffs prior to traveling I will be traveling. Being retired from the job (ATF), I don't have any problems.
Post by: MJZ on September 30, 2007, 02:45:04 PM
Anyone got any good ideas how I can pack my Dad's Winchester Model 70 Super grade on LD ? Just kidding, ;D I do want to get out and shoot a few rounds with it. Last I knew, Dad had it dialed in around 300-400yds. The B&L scope is a monster. I sighted it in at my house yesterday and could read the label on the beer my neighbor a 1/2 mile away was drinking.Talked to Hank about going out too the desert to dial it in again soon. I'd like to see if I can still keep a clip in the black at 400yds. Dad taught me that when I was a teenager. Can't shoot a handgun worth a chit, but a nice rifle with a scope is a thing of beauty. Anyone know where I can get some hypervelocity .270-140 grain rounds. I know Winchester makes the ammo, but not in hypervelocity.
BB
HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, this family lives down the street with a couple of twin daughters about 19 years old and ........... :oops: didn't mean to say that with my out loud voice. ;D ;D
Post by: skreminegul07 on September 30, 2007, 04:29:49 PM
Post by: MJZ on September 30, 2007, 04:33:07 PM
Also if you go to http://www.glockworld.com/holsters.htm
there is quite a selection of holsters. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: charlie on September 30, 2007, 06:37:33 PM
Post by: Bubba on September 30, 2007, 08:13:03 PM
;D
~bubba~
Post by: Chief on September 30, 2007, 08:19:32 PM
Note to self REMIND ME NOT TO PI$$ ANYONE of you guys OFF at any CVO Gathering!!!!
;D
~bubba~
The way I look at it Bubba, with all this heat, I can save my $$$$ for other goodies. I'm feeling pretty safe with this crew! ;D
:indian_chief:
Post by: Gettinold on September 30, 2007, 08:49:54 PM
Post by: SBB on September 30, 2007, 08:50:45 PM
I can see it now.
The group goes to dinner.
When finished we walk back outside to leave.
Someone is in the process of stealing one of our bikes.
All of a sudden 15 guns pointed at his chest.
Think he would get the message?
:nixweiss:
Post by: Gettinold on September 30, 2007, 08:55:37 PM
I can see it now.
The group goes to dinner.
When finished we walk back outside to leave.
Someone is in the process of stealing one of our bikes.
All of a sudden 15 guns pointed at his chest.
Think he would get the message?
:nixweiss:
Thats an interesting subject. Wonder what the theft rate of motorcycles is in MV. :nixweiss:
Post by: SPIDERMAN on September 30, 2007, 10:00:24 PM
I can see it now.
The group goes to dinner.
When finished we walk back outside to leave.
Someone is in the process of stealing one of our bikes.
All of a sudden 15 guns pointed at his chest.
Think he would get the message?
:nixweiss:
Yeah Chip, but the shot that drops him comes from ?????? There's a hole between his eyes about ._ _ _ in diameter that exits the back of his skull about the same diameter.
Course this is just campfire talk - - - - right ?
B B
Post by: miker on October 01, 2007, 08:52:12 AM
Miker
Post by: grandpadoc on October 01, 2007, 10:37:46 AM
Post by: HogBreath on October 01, 2007, 04:15:29 PM
My last purchase was a S&W Stainless hammerless 38 Special with a 1" barrel. The laser sight was an additional $200 or so. This weapon is designed for close range...REAL close..like 2'. Stick it in somebody's gut and align the laser dot? Maybe for a 357 with a 6" barrel.
Post by: BlueFlames on October 03, 2007, 05:27:58 PM
Below is an email I received today from a gentleman who teaches the Utah permit class here in Northern Virginia. His name is Bruce Jackson and his email address is 4utahpermits@gmail.com.
I have sent him my name and will sign up if the date works.
Doug
------------------------------------------------------------------
OK Folks!
I now have a blank slate and am looking for interested parties who wish to take either the VA class, the Utah class, or both.
Even if you have given me your name before, please resubmit it.
(Also, it would be nice if you would also tell me what classes you would like to take)
As of the writing of this message I have no names for either class.
So if you want a class sooner, forward this to your friends and family.
Cost of each class will be $75 if you prepay, $100 if you don't.
(sorry, but past no-shows have forced me to do this)
Once I have enough interested people I will pick a date and ask all those who have expressed an interest if they want to attend. After a couple of days I will open the enrolment to the general public.
Class will be held in the North Stafford area (I-95 exit 143).
If you have any questions please feel free to email me. And please include your telephone number as some answers are easier to talk about then to type.
Thanks!
Post by: Fired00d on October 03, 2007, 06:11:46 PM
Dood,Thanks for the info. Let me know when you get a date in the interim I'm going to check the list to see if there is a instructor closer also. I've attached a list of instructors by state below. Anyone interested in the requirements to get a Utah CWP can look here - Utah Concealed Weapon Permit (http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFPHome.html).
Below is an email I received today from a gentleman who teaches the Utah permit class here in Northern Virginia. His name is Bruce Jackson and his email address is 4utahpermits@gmail.com.
I have sent him my name and will sign up if the date works.
Doug
------------------------------------------------------------------
OK Folks!
I now have a blank slate and am looking for interested parties who wish to take either the VA class, the Utah class, or both.
Even if you have given me your name before, please resubmit it.
(Also, it would be nice if you would also tell me what classes you would like to take)
As of the writing of this message I have no names for either class.
So if you want a class sooner, forward this to your friends and family.
Cost of each class will be $75 if you prepay, $100 if you don't.
(sorry, but past no-shows have forced me to do this)
Once I have enough interested people I will pick a date and ask all those who have expressed an interest if they want to attend. After a couple of days I will open the enrolment to the general public.
Class will be held in the North Stafford area (I-95 exit 143).
If you have any questions please feel free to email me. And please include your telephone number as some answers are easier to talk about then to type.
Thanks!
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on October 03, 2007, 06:13:03 PM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: HogBreath on October 03, 2007, 07:28:57 PM
S&W 380 Auto Snubnose
Browning BLR 308
Browning BPS 12 Gauge 3" Magnum
Ruger 1022 Stainless with synthetic stock
TC 50 Cal Muzzleloader
AR 15 or is 14? 223 Caliber Rock River arms I think.
I carry them all with me everywhere on the bike.
Post by: Fired00d on October 03, 2007, 07:36:21 PM
S&W 38 special hammerlessAh hell I was expecting some wild a$$ picture to go along w/this description so I had to look at the post in the thread.
S&W 380 Auto Snubnose
Browning BLR 308
Browning BPS 12 Gauge 3" Magnum
Ruger 1022 Stainless with synthetic stock
TC 50 Cal Muzzleloader
AR 15 or is 14? 223 Caliber Rock River arms I think.
I carry them all with me everywhere on the bike.
Ken I was expecting something to top the "goat utters". :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: HogBreath on October 03, 2007, 07:43:35 PM
Ah hell I was expecting some wild a$$ picture to go along w/this description so I had to look at the post in the thread.Just for you dood. A picture of me killing a Washing machine back in the 80's.
Ken I was expecting something to top the "goat utters". :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
now, if this head gasket leaks just ONE more drop.............
Post by: HogBreath on October 03, 2007, 07:47:22 PM
Post by: Fired00d on October 03, 2007, 07:48:36 PM
Just for you dood. A picture of me killing a Washing machine back in the 80's.It's going to be in trouble. :nervous: According to your last post your arsenal has increased since you were killing/shooting washing machines. ;D
now, if this head gasket leaks just ONE more drop.............
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: spydglide on October 03, 2007, 09:03:28 PM
Post by: 2soaper on October 03, 2007, 09:13:17 PM
S&W 340PD w/HIVIZ in 357Mag revolver (wieght 12oz in a small package)
KAHR MK9 9MM compact auto
SigArms P226 9mm with 16 shots
Tried the 454 casul but was hard to lean forward...........
Post by: SPIDERMAN on October 08, 2007, 06:01:23 PM
My Dad bought it new in 1950, so it's a pre-64 as they say Winchester Model 70-270 Super Grade. 80% of new condition. Blueing is solid, stock is excellent, bore is clean , nice Bausch and Lomb scope. Has been kept cleaned and oiled.
B B
Post by: LRebel on October 08, 2007, 06:32:53 PM
Proably as good a place as any for this. I've been roaming around the internet trying to get a sense of the value of the Model 70 Winchester I mentioned before. I hate to think of it, but if it got stolen or something I'd need to prove to my insurance company what the value was. Seems like the prices are all over the lot. I'm seeing anywhere from $600 to $1,600. What do you folks think ?
My Dad bought it new in 1950, so it's a pre-64 as they say Winchester Model 70-270 Super Grade. 80% of new condition. Blueing is solid, stock is excellent, bore is clean , nice Bausch and Lomb scope. Has been kept cleaned and oiled.
B B
If the gun was stolen or destroyed, your insurance company would not put much stock on our opinions here.
If the gun has any antique or collector value (and it sounds like it definitely does), you need to get an appraisal from someone qualified to do this type of appraisal (gun dealer most likely). You then need to contact your insurance agent and tell him that you need to add "scheduled" coverage for this gun (he will know what "scheduled" coverage means).
Without "scheduled" coverage for this gun, your insurance company will not be obligated to pay the antique or collector value of your gun. Most home insurance policies will only cover a specific amount for theft of guns (usually $1000 to $3000 - that's total for all guns not each gun). If you are like me, the base amount of coverage on most home insurance policies will not go very far toward covering all of your guns.
This would also be a good time to talk with your agent about other items that may require scheduled or appraised coverage (jewelry, furs, antique items, baseball cards,...).
Post by: SPIDERMAN on October 08, 2007, 06:51:32 PM
B B
Post by: J.J. on October 10, 2007, 10:58:48 AM
http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/photogallery/article/0,20036,1270541_1572930,00.html
Click the big play button and get ready to :huepfenlol2: your a$$ off!
Otherwise 92fs with Crimson.
Post by: GaLonghair on October 16, 2007, 02:50:47 PM
Personally I like wheel guns for carry as they are less complicated and tolerate the less than ideal conditions on a bike better. The titanium S&Ws are great...love the 45 ACP myself. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: HUBBARD on October 16, 2007, 03:56:54 PM
Yes. Always have. Had a NC concealed carry since they started issueing them. Lots of good advice in this thread, but it's whatever works for me....always at least one gun......depending on what I'm wearing ...... of different sizes/weight/calibers. Most are autos....one small wheel gun. The important thing I think, is to have one if you really need it. No matter the caliber....like someone said: the larger the better if you will carry it, but smaller if necessary to carry it. As in a jacket pocket....it's got to be light enough to not sag the jacket or it doesn't work. Then you're looking at holsters.....most are not comfortable as those who wear them all the time will tell you. So.....what ever works for you. :jack: Har! :drink: spyder
'Am, spyder, I haven't heard that term in years! I got rid of all my Automatics years ago. I just like the sound of the action a "wheel gun", makes. I carry a S&W Model 686 in Ol' Maudie's Tour-Pak, and a S&W Model 37, in my Leathers. Hope I never have to pull 'em out in defense. Found out the hard way, cwp's do not apply in Commercial Vehicles to civilians. Having carried a concealed weapon most of my adult life, it's weird not having one with me when I take the "Big Rig" to the Races. Oh well, I'm sure I could find something to defend myself and property, if need be. ;) Again, hope I never have to. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: spydglide on October 16, 2007, 05:45:51 PM
'Am, spyder, I haven't heard that term in years! I got rid of all my Automatics years ago. I just like the sound of the action a "wheel gun", makes. I carry a S&W Model 686 in Ol' Maudie's Tour-Pak, and a S&W Model 37, in my Leathers. Hope I never have to pull 'em out in defense. Found out the hard way, cwp's do not apply in Commercial Vehicles to civilians. Having carried a concealed weapon most of my adult life, it's weird not having one with me when I take the "Big Rig" to the Races. Oh well, I'm sure I could find something to defend myself and property, if need be. ;) Again, hope I never have to. Later--HUBBARDAbsolutely, Hub! but.....with the idiots out there today, it seems as if it is becoming more and more a possible reality. 'why can't we just all get along'? :o har! ;) spyder
Post by: courter on October 16, 2007, 09:27:43 PM
Anybody using the Para Carry .45ACP? What do you think of it? Is yours accurate? Any other suggestions for a .40 or .45 carry without the "horn"?
Post by: RedBone on October 21, 2007, 10:11:53 PM
Post by: RedRider on November 03, 2007, 10:47:02 PM
Excellent points here..and with HR218, I can carry anywhere..... my question is more along the lines of where you carry? Waistband seems impractical on the bike... I have a crotch holster which in theory works on the bike.. it just the thought of a loaded gun pointed at the boys that slows me down on that one...i've done the vest/ jacket pocket carry, but i find that even my G27 is too freakin heavy to do that with..appreciate your input
My leather vest has a zippered inside, deep chest pocket. A kel-tec .380 is one of the smallest, lightest handguns and goes nicely unnoticed. It is not cumbersome. It is, in my experience, dependable, easily maintained and inexpensive. I have fired boxes of rounds through the 8 round clip without jams. When riding, I am not wrestling with my waist, ankle or small of my back. It is not a hassle to carry, and I can get to it quickly. (God forbid that would be necessary). The gun is made in Cocoa, Fla. Also comes in a .22 cal and can be purchased at most gun stores or all gun shows. I know the common argument is I want a bigger caliber.....You gotta ask yourself.....will you consistently carry a big caliber, uncomfortable, harder to conceal weapon, or a hassle free, small easy to carry automatic, which by the way has no safety and no hammer to cock. Safety is in the trigger pull. Quick access, reliable discharge, 8 rounds = dead bad guy. Thats my .02 worth.
Post by: MJZ on November 03, 2007, 11:58:12 PM
Post by: VaEagle on November 04, 2007, 10:08:59 AM
I agree -- hope I never have to use it. Waiting for the OK from the gun board to get my permit, then I'll be legal. (not carrying now w/o permit)
Anybody using the Para Carry .45ACP? What do you think of it? Is yours accurate? Any other suggestions for a .40 or .45 carry without the "horn"?
You should look at the Glock model 36 -very accurate,concealable and stands up to holster wear,sweat and weather.
Look at my post#68 and #69 on page 5 of this thread for more info and a photo of the model 36.
MJZ as you well know you made a great decison to get one. I hope you enjoy it and never "need" it.
Post by: UglyJohn on November 04, 2007, 01:43:25 PM
Ugly John
Post by: REGGAB on November 04, 2007, 03:03:01 PM
You should look at the Glock model 36 -very accurate,concealable and stands up to holster wear,sweat and weather.
Look at my post#68 and #69 on page 5 of this thread for more info and a photo of the model 36.
MJZ as you well know you made a great decison to get one. I hope you enjoy it and never "need" it.
That the big key right there.........never "need" it. Man I'd hate that, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Better safe than woulda, shoulda, coulda.
Post by: Break-In on November 04, 2007, 06:57:57 PM
Post by: mr_magoo on November 04, 2007, 08:25:22 PM
Went by the range today and tried a Glock 36, had no intention of getting one but just wanted to try it out. :oops: it came home with me, complete with night sight and laser. And I thought this place only cost me $$$$ in chrome. ???
Glad to see we could help light your load(wallet). Was it new or was it a range gun?
Post by: MJZ on November 04, 2007, 09:02:24 PM
Post by: naitram on November 04, 2007, 09:27:17 PM
Post by: courter on November 04, 2007, 10:10:23 PM
You should look at the Glock model 36 -very accurate,concealable and stands up to holster wear,sweat and weather.
Look at my post#68 and #69 on page 5 of this thread for more info and a photo of the model 36.
MJZ as you well know you made a great decison to get one. I hope you enjoy it and never "need" it.
Thank you for the suggestion. I went and shot the Glock 36, and thought it was a truly nice gun. I was about ready to buy when I took one more look at the used guns and I ended up with a Sig 239 great condition with a .40 and .357SIG barrel and 3+2 mags (respectively) at a price that was hard to beat. Plus it shot really well for me. Also picked up a S & W P229 .38 special 5 shot revolver that fits nicely in a front pocket or anywhere. Shot pattern is more scattered than the SIG, but still on target. I think it will be good for most times or when I can't carry the larger SIG.
I got my CPL when I met with the gun board, so I'm legal.
Thanks again.
Post by: BAKRDS on November 18, 2007, 02:42:14 PM
www.safearms.com/utah Never looked into it 'cause I don't carry on the bike.See so many fum ducks afraid I might start shooting just to improve the gene pool.
bakrds
Post by: miker on November 18, 2007, 06:50:45 PM
Picked up another kimber 3" 45 today and blasted 200 though it...schweeet.
My Kimber Ultra Carry in SS( with rosewood gripps , mind you) was getting knicked up day to day so the Kimber black was in order.
Miker
Post by: mr_magoo on November 18, 2007, 07:23:17 PM
Post by: Chief on November 19, 2007, 08:41:25 AM
I got a pesky squirrel inside the attic on Saturday with a .22 cal BB cap. Does that quilify for the big Arms Race?
:indian_chief: (Still looking for squirrel in attic. Lots of blood, but no squirrel.)
Post by: miker on November 19, 2007, 08:49:45 AM
Just trying to keep up with all of the hi-po equipment here.
I got a pesky squirrel inside the attic on Saturday with a .22 cal BB cap. Does that quilify for the big Arms Race?
:indian_chief: (Still looking for squirrel in attic. Lots of blood, but no squirrel.)
You betcha, you ruthless slayer...I hope the foul rodent went outside to croak..
Miker
Post by: MJZ on November 25, 2007, 03:40:24 PM
Post by: MJZ on November 25, 2007, 03:49:15 PM
The "GB" Model - $55.00 (Retail)
The “GB” model is designed to carry your personal defense weapon. The main zippered pocket, which includes a removable holster, measures 9 inches long by 5 1/2 inches from top to bottom. The front zippered pocket is 8 inches by 4 1/2 inches and has another 2 smaller zippered pockets on the front. The Velcro holster can be placed in any position desired. Pleas observe all local gun laws.
My Glock fits perfect but I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea of magnets against my tank, even if they are sewn in lamb's skin leather. :nixweiss:
But for 30 bucks :bananarock: :bananarock:
Post by: Fired00d on November 25, 2007, 03:59:38 PM
Very interesting. I like you would be uncomfortable w/something on the tank. :nervous: All it would take is a little bit of dust/grime on that bag or on the tank to create some problems. >:( Also how accessible is it getting to your CW in that bag while riding?? I may be a little ole school, but I'd much rather have it on my hip as first choice, and then maybe on my ankle as second choice. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: spydglide on November 25, 2007, 04:06:33 PM
Mark,I agree, plus......not secure enough for me to have my pistol held on w/ magnets. :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:har! spyder
Very interesting. I like you would be uncomfortable w/something on the tank. :nervous: All it would take is a little bit of dust/grime on that bag or on the tank to create some problems. >:( Also how accessible is it getting to your CW in that bag while riding?? I may be a little ole school, but I'd much rather have it on my hip as first choice, and then maybe on my ankle as second choice. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: SilverDawg on November 25, 2007, 04:27:24 PM
I just have to take the class in Texas for my CHL. Now that the weather sucks, I can probably schedule one here real quick.
I usually ride with at least one or two that carry (one is a LEO) so I feel like I'm covered ;)
Post by: MJZ on November 25, 2007, 04:29:15 PM
Mark,
Very interesting. I like you would be uncomfortable w/something on the tank. :nervous: All it would take is a little bit of dust/grime on that bag or on the tank to create some problems. >:( Also how accessible is it getting to your CW in that bag while riding?? I may be a little ole school, but I'd much rather have it on my hip as first choice, and then maybe on my ankle as second choice. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I agree, want to buy a Daytona Gear magnetic pistol lambskin bag cheap? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: MJZ on November 25, 2007, 04:33:06 PM
I agree, plus......not secure enough for me to have my pistol held on w/ magnets. :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:har! spyder
The security part is not a problem, these magnets are incredible. As for access, a quick zip and draw but it just found a place in storeroom hell. I'm just not comfortable with anything touching the paint.
Post by: spydglide on November 25, 2007, 04:38:35 PM
The security part is not a problem, these magnets are incredible. As for access, a quick zip and draw but it just found a place in storeroom hell. I'm just not comfortable with anything touching the paint.couldn't a pedestrian just grab the whole bag right off your tank? :nixweiss:spyder
Post by: Fired00d on November 25, 2007, 05:00:02 PM
I agree, want to buy a Daytona Gear magnetic pistol lambskin bag cheap? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DUh, thanks, but no thanks. Don't think that'll fit on my hip or ankle. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: MJZ on November 25, 2007, 05:05:05 PM
couldn't a pedestrian just grab the whole bag right off your tank? :nixweiss:spyder
yep :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
Post by: BADBUD on November 25, 2007, 06:06:56 PM
But I will show a picture of my concealables. I especially like the S&W 459 9mm 15 shot, super little piece. The Glock 31 357 sig is pretty sweet. The 45 is too big. The Ruger Bearcat is great for plinking.
BADBUD
Post by: LRebel on November 25, 2007, 09:00:44 PM
Uh, thanks, but no thanks. Don't think that'll fit on my hip or ankle. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I'm with you. I couldn't put it on my tank...I like the condition of my paint and do too much to maintain it. I also like the CW close. If I jump off the bike, I want the CW going with me. I also want the CW as "concealed" as possible.
I really like to carry the CW in a shoulder holster under a jacket or coat. Second choice is an ankle holster.
I was just thinking the other day about designing a jacket with a detachable holster just inside the zipper on the left side (since I am right handed). I may have to get with someone that can sew leather and try a prototype.
Post by: grandpadoc on November 26, 2007, 10:23:43 AM
Post by: LRebel on November 26, 2007, 01:44:36 PM
Post by: Break-In on November 26, 2007, 06:32:22 PM
Post by: grandpadoc on November 26, 2007, 11:05:19 PM
Thanks. I will check it out.
I looked for it on the net and it doesn't seem to be available. There is something called a Cheif III, but that isn't it and even that one is being discontinued. Here is a pic of what it looks like. The little guy on the left is wearing one (me). Doc
Post by: cuthbertss on November 26, 2007, 11:19:33 PM
'cept for the SE one....
galls sells a vest with one
and san diego leather has a chit load of em
Post by: Muley on November 28, 2007, 02:53:46 PM
Joel
Post by: 46knuck on November 29, 2007, 08:10:49 PM
Post by: Muley on November 30, 2007, 02:41:59 PM
Post by: SnakePlisken on January 15, 2008, 04:26:42 PM
- Jim
Post by: naitram on January 15, 2008, 04:30:10 PM
Post by: Coolbreeze on January 15, 2008, 04:58:45 PM
Seriously, if the brass is hitting you, you're not holding the front down well enough, and very soon it will start to misfeed. (I only know this because... oops. that cat's out of the bag!) It does a little bit of gradual re-adjustment in the way some of the pieces line up. My gunsmith got all fatherly on me and really chewed me out...
Post by: SnakePlisken on January 15, 2008, 05:02:02 PM
- Jim
Post by: SnakePlisken on January 15, 2008, 05:10:19 PM
- Jim
Post by: LRebel on January 15, 2008, 05:14:22 PM
Now if only they made holsters for something like this for the CVO ......then I suppose that would be truly custom. Kind of 'Mad Max - esque.' Right?
- Jim
Thompson?
Post by: BADBUD on January 15, 2008, 06:21:35 PM
BADBUD
Post by: SnakePlisken on January 15, 2008, 06:36:43 PM
- Jim
Post by: towjamin on January 17, 2008, 09:09:06 AM
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 10:48:13 AM
dont and wont, i would be in jail by now. I am too close to NY where they give free room and board for having a weapon... jamie :zstupid:
Boy, I couldn't live like that.
What ever happen to "the Land of the Free" and that "right to keep & bear arms" thing in the Constitution?
I think I would do one of two things: Either get involved in politics and correct this injustice, or just move South. Sure glad I live in a Concealed Carry state ;)
Post by: spydglide on January 17, 2008, 11:20:01 AM
I agree. Since no one can keep firearms from criminals, why would it be ok to forbid law-abiding citizens from keeping them? Just doesn't make good sense (to me, anyway) :confused5: spyder
Boy, I couldn't live like that.
What ever happen to "the Land of the Free" and that "right to keep & bear arms" thing in the Constitution?
I think I would do one of two things: Either get involved in politics and correct this injustice, or just move South. Sure glad I live in a Concealed Carry state ;)
Post by: arcticdude on January 17, 2008, 11:42:41 AM
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 11:53:43 AM
Take a look at rohrbaughfirearms.com. They make a couple of sweet little 9's, if you're so inclined. Very well made, though I haven't yet had the chance to shoot one. VERY easily concealable 9mm.
Looking for a small 9mm. I just sent an e-mail to a gun dealer friend of mine to see if he knows any thing about these or the company.
Post by: miker on January 17, 2008, 11:59:00 AM
Miker
Post by: spydglide on January 17, 2008, 12:13:12 PM
Let us know, I need a smaller carry. The kimber is getting nicked up too much.Might look at a Colt .380 ........ I use the Govt. model w/ silvertip hollow-pts. :2vrolijk_21:spyder
Miker
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on January 17, 2008, 12:20:07 PM
Might look at a Colt .380 ........ I use the Govt. model w/ silvertip hollow-pts. :2vrolijk_21:spyderDefinitely needed, without that weapons effectiveness is questionable in certain circumstances. Of course I miss my 20mm :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 12:23:11 PM
Might look at a Colt .380 ........ I use the Govt. model w/ silvertip hollow-pts. :2vrolijk_21:spyder
I would really like to stick with a 9mm, since I have other 9mm's (one less ammo to keep around).
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 01:56:53 PM
Click the link
http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2007/12/30/skinny-girl-vs-desert-eagle/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crane-romania.com%2Fgo%2Fskinny-girl-desert-eagle%2F&frame=true
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on January 17, 2008, 02:10:12 PM
Kinda funny video. Maybe everyone shouldn't carry....at least not a Desert Eagle.Kinda funny???? :ROFLOL: :smash:
Click the link
http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2007/12/30/skinny-girl-vs-desert-eagle/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crane-romania.com%2Fgo%2Fskinny-girl-desert-eagle%2F&frame=true
Post by: arcticdude on January 17, 2008, 02:26:06 PM
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 03:02:31 PM
LR, I got to handle a Rohrbaugh at the Tulsa show last fall. Really nice, but since we have no dealers in OK, we've got to find someone to get one sent to. Maybe somebody will have one at the spring show.
Do you have any idea about the price tag?
Post by: rottenroger on January 17, 2008, 04:46:14 PM
in Clackamus. $70.00 for an all day class. Even though my DD214 shows my handgun competency I thought it couldn't hurt
to brush up on the laws and restrictions. PM me if you want the guys email. He's an NRA instructor with Utah training certificate.
Post by: arcticdude on January 17, 2008, 06:41:19 PM
Post by: cuthbertss on January 17, 2008, 10:16:08 PM
The used one I looked at was $900, but I probably could have bought it for $800, maybe $750- if I'd have known what it truly was I would have bought it, just didin't know at the time. New they're about $950 depending on the model.
intriguing... i like the idea... the caliber, eh, not so much
dealer up the street a bit by where Talon lives...
i will be at SHOT this year and maybe these guys or someone like them will show up?
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 11:00:11 PM
intriguing... i like the idea... the caliber, eh, not so much
dealer up the street a bit by where Talon lives...
i will be at SHOT this and maybe these guys or someone like them will show up?
I'm curious....what caliber would be your preference?
Post by: cuthbertss on January 18, 2008, 08:19:34 AM
I'm curious....what caliber would be your preference?
i prefer a .40SW, maybe a .45
we all know the 9mm has a bad rep for stopping power... some earned some not..
a recent example... NYSP is finally dumping the 9 for a 45...
its all about personal preference....i just dont trust the 9
on the other hand... even my compact .40 is friggin heavy... so its a trade off
even a 9 or a .380 carried is better than the .45 sitting at home cuz its too heavy
hows that for a mixed message?
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 18, 2008, 08:25:34 AM
Post by: cuthbertss on January 18, 2008, 08:33:03 AM
How about a Stainless PPK? I used to have one...operation was always flawless, and it was pretty small. With the HP silvertips, it would explode watermelons... ::) :huepfenlol2:
and bounce harmlessly off glass ! ???
Post by: cuthbertss on January 18, 2008, 08:34:33 AM
great little gun...
no question
then as i learned more, i headed to the big calibers more often...
its all a matter of choice really
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 18, 2008, 08:43:23 AM
and bounce harmlessly off glass ! ???
All I've got now is a couple of .38's...one is the S&W Titanium hamerless. It's light and easy to carry. Hopefully, I'll never have to use it, but if I do, I figure I won't be shooting any glass, but something more like a watermelon...and won't be too far away... :nervous:
Post by: spydglide on January 18, 2008, 08:44:44 AM
Post by: DavidB on January 18, 2008, 09:05:40 AM
dont and wont, i would be in jail by now, i deal with the biggest jerks that need to be shot, :rifle: i do police :policeman: towing, yea i know that most companies are rip offs :veryangry: and im sure thats why i get sh1t but i am a small company that prides its self on honesty, :jack: sorry back to the thread, and i am too close to NY where they give free room and board for having a weapon... jamie :zstupid:
Never tow a Black Lincoln in CT.
Post by: SBB on January 18, 2008, 09:11:57 AM
i prefer a .40SW, maybe a .45
we all know the 9mm has a bad rep for stopping power... some earned some not..
a recent example... NYSP is finally dumping the 9 for a 45...
its all about personal preference....i just dont trust the 9
on the other hand... even my compact .40 is friggin heavy... so its a trade off
even a 9 or a .380 carried is better than the .45 sitting at home cuz its too heavy
hows that for a mixed message?
Scott
I carry a Sig 229 in 357Sig.
Works great on the range, never used it on anything that could shoot back!
Not yet anyway, and hope I don't have to.
Any thoughts on the 357Sig?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Post by: arcticdude on January 18, 2008, 09:57:44 AM
Of course, carrying something is much better than nothing at all. It shouldn't be too often the BG's are going to give you problems in the middle of a crowd. ;)
Post by: LRebel on January 18, 2008, 10:44:29 AM
i prefer a .40SW, maybe a .45
we all know the 9mm has a bad rep for stopping power... some earned some not..
a recent example... NYSP is finally dumping the 9 for a 45...
its all about personal preference....i just dont trust the 9
on the other hand... even my compact .40 is friggin heavy... so its a trade off
even a 9 or a .380 carried is better than the .45 sitting at home cuz its too heavy
hows that for a mixed message?
IMO, there is not really any appreciable difference between the .40 and the 9mm.
The .45, now you're talking. Plenty of stopping power, however I think sometimes quantity is better than quality. My 9mm has 18 round clips and can be easily concealed, where as with most .45's you are looking at 6 rounds. The .45 is best if you can be cool under fire and are a crack shot (everytime). For me, in such a situation, I would like to have a few more rounds in the magazine, just in case.
You are right, it is personal preference. I would like to have a .45 that is as compact and light as a 9mm or .40 and with the magazine capacity of my 9mm, but thus far have not found that gun.
I have an assortment from .45, .44 & .357, 9's, .40 & .380 all the way down to a .25 derringer. They all have their pro's & con's.
Firearms are like chrome....it's hard to know when it has become an obsession.
Post by: miker on January 18, 2008, 10:53:16 AM
Firearms are like chrome....it's hard to know when it has become an obsession.
Me too, I liken them to tater chips, cain't have just one....Throw ina Benelli M4 and a S&W AR, Saiga308, some bird guns, some deer rifles and the greaser. Always but a gun safe 2x bigger than you think!
Post by: LRebel on January 18, 2008, 10:57:42 AM
Me too, I liken them to tater chips, cain't have just one....Throw ina Benelli M4 and a S&W AR, Saiga308, some bird guns, some deer rifles and the greaser. Always but a gun safe 2x bigger than you think!
Yep, I've got several long guns as well.
Kinda getting into the antique variety now.
Post by: Coolbreeze on January 18, 2008, 03:41:25 PM
Post by: RedDevil on January 18, 2008, 06:13:50 PM
Cheers :2vrolijk_21:,
:devil:
Post by: SnakePlisken on January 18, 2008, 07:26:36 PM
- Jim
Post by: arcticdude on January 31, 2008, 12:32:45 PM
Two in the chest and one in the forehead pretty well negates what caliber it may be.
Post by: naitram on January 31, 2008, 01:19:37 PM
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 01:47:32 PM
i use to carry a glock 26 9mm, just recently went to a springfield sub compact 40 cal. big difference in knockdown power imo. the difference in grain size of the lead will make you a believer. but where does it end. a 50 cal.... :coolblue:How did you like the Glock? I'm thinking of one as a backup (ankle carry).
i operate a business that requires me to carry or lay down.
TN
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:02:21 PM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Chief on January 31, 2008, 02:07:02 PM
Want real stopping power check this out - The Judge (http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm).
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Damn! Nice grouping at 10 feet! :)
:indian_chief:
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:14:52 PM
Yea it is a great weapon for close in self defense. I'd be a little concerned of the collateral damage if I had to use it for something of greater distance.
Damn! Nice grouping at 10 feet! :)
:indian_chief:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: miker on January 31, 2008, 02:19:20 PM
Post by: spydglide on January 31, 2008, 02:23:48 PM
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:24:04 PM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Chief on January 31, 2008, 02:24:34 PM
Yea it is a great weapon for close in self defense. I'd be a little concerned of the collateral damage if I had to use it for something of greater distance.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Yea, but now you can hunt squirrels with a hand gun. Yee Haw! :)
:indian_chief:
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:27:21 PM
You know D00d, I don't understand our gun laws at all. If you have a sawed-off .410 that's too short, it is so illigal that you do hard time just for possession of it. Yet, that pistol is even more concealable (while not really small) and I'm guessing is legal classified as a handgun. What are they retailing for money-wise? :nixweiss:spyderNot sure of retail, but you can see more about them here (http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41).
Edited: The link above does show retail price $503.00
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:29:43 PM
Yea, but now you can hunt squirrels with a hand gun. Yee Haw! :)That is true. :2vrolijk_21:
:indian_chief:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: arcticdude on January 31, 2008, 02:31:16 PM
If you really want to have some fun then you need this - AA 12 Assault Shotgun (http://www.strategypage.com/military_videos/military_photos_2005620.aspx) (look at the video).
That's close to a Saiga 12g that's just coming out. Really great for home defense, works just like an AK, that most of us are familiar with. The Saiga is about $350 currently. I'm going to get one to replace the Mossberg. Don't worry too much about collateral damage, a 410 doesn't spread all that much, and by the time it does, you don't have enough energy/pellet size/etc to do any real damage. IIRC, the Judge goes for about $450. I'll keep my 12g and 45 bug, thank you very much!
Post by: spydglide on January 31, 2008, 02:32:07 PM
Not sure of retail, but you can see more about them here (http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41).I see........$553. :2vrolijk_21: thanks, spyder
Edited: The link above does show retail price $503.00
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:33:51 PM
I see........$553. :2vrolijk_21: thanks, spyderThe two on the left are $503, and the two on the right are $553.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: spydglide on January 31, 2008, 02:34:47 PM
The two on the left are $503, and the two on the right are $553.The 'stainless' is worth the extra. :-* har! spyder
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:35:57 PM
The 'stainless' is worth the extra. :-* har! spyderDefinitely. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: RedDevil on January 31, 2008, 03:02:11 PM
Not sure of retail, but you can see more about them here (http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41).
Edited: The link above does show retail price $503.00
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
There's a gun range north of Fredericksburg that sells it for around $450.00....
:devil:
Post by: HogBreath on January 31, 2008, 03:20:05 PM
Dad taught me to shoot and hunt when I was about 12 years old. I lost dad about 2 years ago. The memories of the times we spent together hunting and shooting are precious. I have those memories with my children, and my stepson too. Here's a photo of the AR15.
Post by: RJ749 on January 31, 2008, 03:21:28 PM
Post by: RJ749 on January 31, 2008, 03:23:22 PM
I told him when he's 30 years old, I'll STILL be preaching it, so he just as well to get used to it.
Dad taught me to shoot and hunt when I was about 12 years old. I lost dad about 2 years ago. The memories of the times we spent together hunting and shooting are precious. I have those memories with my children, and my stepson too. Here's a photo of the AR15.
HB, Sounds like we got the same instruction at home.
Only way to have it.
Rog
Post by: RedDevil on January 31, 2008, 03:24:05 PM
GuaranteeD®Lifetime Replacement Warranty
Item # 2-441039T MSRP $569.00
Mfg Taurus Your Price: $456.29
Model 45-410 Tracker Sale Ends:
Type Revolver Quantity: Allocated
Caliber: 45LC|410 Gauge Finish Stainless Steel, Matte
Additional Specifications
Action: Double Action
Stock: Black Ribber Grips
Capacity: 5
Sights: Ft: Red Fiber Optic RR: Notched
Barrel Length: 3"
Overall Length: 9 1/2"
Weight: 29 oz
Chamber: 410 is 2 1/2"
Packaging: Cardboard Box
Additional Features 1: "The Judge" Stamped on the Barrel
:devil:
Post by: HogBreath on January 31, 2008, 03:26:06 PM
HB, Sounds like we got the same instruction at home.
Only way to have it.
Rog
Dad absolutely beat it in my head. Point that gun up boy. Is that safety on? Is that gun unloaded? An empty gun is always the one that kills. Now, it's second nature to me. if i'm handling a gun, I'm not afraid of it, but 150% conscious of where it's aimed at all times.
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 03:29:37 PM
There's a gun range north of Fredericksburg that sells it for around $450.00....Is that for the stainless?
:devil:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: RedDevil on January 31, 2008, 03:34:34 PM
Is that for the stainless?Yep, according to the site, it's stainless steel, matte ... I guess that means a brushed finish? :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
It's a great price for a stainless handgun.
:devil:
Post by: RJ749 on January 31, 2008, 03:35:28 PM
Dad absolutely beat it in my head. Point that gun up boy. Is that safety on? Is that gun unloaded? An empty gun is always the one that kills. Now, it's second nature to me. if i'm handling a gun, I'm not afraid of it, but 150% conscious of where it's aimed at all times.
I hear you, if mine ever goes off do to pilot error, it sure as hell won't hit anyone or anything.....unless you count air or dirt.
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 03:36:22 PM
Yep, according to the site, it's stainless steel, matte ... I guess that means a brushed finish? :nixweiss:Thanks. I hadn't got caught up in the thread before I noticed you poste the specs/price. :2vrolijk_21:
It's a great price for a stainless handgun.
:devil:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 31, 2008, 03:41:01 PM
My stepson was raised in the city. He's 15 y/o now.Whenever he comes to vist, he absolutely loves to shoot. I started him off with 22's. He graduated to 20 gauge shotguns, then on to a 12 gauge with turkey loads. We bought him a AR15 223 last Christmas. It's made by Rock River Arm Company. I preach safety to him so much he's tired of hearing it. I told him when he's 30 years old, I'll STILL be preaching it, so he just as well to get used to it.
Dad taught me to shoot and hunt when I was about 12 years old. I lost dad about 2 years ago. The memories of the times we spent together hunting and shooting are precious. I have those memories with my children, and my stepson too. Here's a photo of the AR15.
My Grandfather spent a lot of time teaching me gun safety, and how to shoot. He took me to a few turkey shoots back when I was a kid. I went hunting a few times with friends when I was a teenager, but never killed anything...I just liked being out in the woods, and liked to shoot cans, mistletoe out of the tops of trees with a 22, etc. It was good time spent with my "Paw" as I called him, and I never forgot the stuff he taught me. Good job, Ken!!!
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 03:42:14 PM
That's close to a Saiga 12g that's just coming out. Really great for home defense, works just like an AK, that most of us are familiar with. The Saiga is about $350 currently. I'm going to get one to replace the Mossberg. Don't worry too much about collateral damage, a 410 doesn't spread all that much, and by the time it does, you don't have enough energy/pellet size/etc to do any real damage. IIRC, the Judge goes for about $450. I'll keep my 12g and 45 bug, thank you very much!That's good to hear. :2vrolijk_21: My concern was it penetrating drywall if it was used in the house for self defense.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 03:43:41 PM
That Judge is sweet. Looks like an addition to the family to me. :2vrolijk_21:Go big get the AA 12 Assault Shotgun ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: RJ749 on January 31, 2008, 04:13:21 PM
That's good to hear. :2vrolijk_21: My concern was it penetrating drywall if it was used in the house for self defense.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Gary, I wouldn't worry about that when defending your home, 410 most likely wouldn't have the power and the holes it leaves, well we can bring some of this over and get you handled afterwards :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 04:16:12 PM
Gary, I wouldn't worry about that when defending your home, 420 most likely wouldn't have the power and the holes it leaves, well we can bring some of this over and get you handled afterwards :2vrolijk_21:I was more concerned if there was family member(s) that may have secured themselves in a/that room.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: RJ749 on January 31, 2008, 04:18:51 PM
I was more concerned if there was family member(s) that may have secured themselves in a/that room.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I figured that, but as stated earlier the dispersal would be tighter than as to miss the intended target by much, but I hear your concern.
Post by: spydglide on January 31, 2008, 06:06:21 PM
went with the springfield for variety, the glock is a great gun for what there made for. i have the extender on the mag, good feel. the springfield seems to be good quality and i like the night sites it has. its amazing to me with all the play in the barrel with this type of design,got a couple of .380s......one is a Colt Gov't. I've fired many, many boxes of ammo thru them with never a problem. What happened, was it mag, ammo, or ??? Glad you survived. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
that it can group as good as they do, i'm sold. there again there not made for plinking. the 40 cal has more kick and i wouldn't want to shoot it alot.
i used to carry a ss colt mustang ll 380 cause it fit nicely in my back pocket. i got in a situation where i needed it and it failed. i'm glad i can talk about it!.
been kinda looking around for a tazer type weapon, cause i can. but i guess thats like the old saying about bringing a knife to a gun fight.
if more ppl carried, criminals would think twice.....
i declare open season. :huepfenlol2:....
be safe
TN
Post by: 2006_CVO_HD on January 31, 2008, 06:12:35 PM
Kel-Tec P-32
Post by: murphy on January 31, 2008, 06:33:44 PM
I was more concerned if there was family member(s) that may have secured themselves in a/that room.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
A .410 will penetrate drywall.
Post by: CVOJOE on January 31, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all Guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the muggers potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.
People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst.
The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
Credited to: Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Hoo-Rah!
Post by: resqdoc on January 31, 2008, 07:27:52 PM
2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.
4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.
5. A reporter did a human interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him, 'Why do carry a 45?'. The Ranger responded with, 'Because they don't make a.46.'
6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.
7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?'
'NO Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.'
8. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!!
Comments:
I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house. To which I said I did. She said, 'well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!' To which I said, 'of course it is loaded, can't work without bullets..' She then asked, 'Are you that afraid of someone evil coming into your house?' My reply was, 'No not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching on fire either, but I have fire extinguishers
around, and THEY ARE ALL LOADED.'
Parting note: An unloaded gun is just a club.
Post by: arcticdude on January 31, 2008, 07:47:05 PM
That's a pretty good peice. Made me think of Sydney this past November. A couple of kids- I mean kids, they were 14 & 15 yo!- attacked an off duty police officer, whacked him in the head with their fists and either severely injured him or killed him (I don't remember which). The officer was out for a night with his girlfriend, having had dinner, was walking back home. Seemed like a case of mistaken identity, tempers flared and the officer paid the price heavily. Had Australia not gotten rid of their personal weapons, the situation might have had a different outcome. I will never give up my weapons! It's too easy to handload and make your own stuff, so I don't even have to be able to buy ammo. Wheel weights make great bullets and gunpowder ain't that tough to make. I just have to be sparing with my cases. Of course, since I police the ranges where I shoot, I think I'll have enough to last a while. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: MJZ on January 31, 2008, 09:56:17 PM
Post by: ccr on January 31, 2008, 10:32:30 PM
To this day, if you so much as point a finger at me, I shake. My Dad would smack us so hard we'd fall to the ground - if we so much as pointed a stick at someone and pretended it was a weapon ------ there is no room for mistakes with a weapon that takes your life or the life of anyone you love.
Post by: Keats on February 01, 2008, 12:27:55 AM
Post by: skreminegul07 on February 01, 2008, 06:17:59 PM
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on February 01, 2008, 06:25:57 PM
45's rule. Para 14, 14+1. Let's roll! Plus a donor weapon for the perp.:stop: :zHole: :rifle: :ROFLOL:.
Post by: Screamin on February 01, 2008, 06:53:26 PM
WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION (only fools don't understand)
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another...
...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
Credited to: Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Hoo-Rah!
I think that's profound Joe. Well put.
Post by: MJZ on February 01, 2008, 07:38:36 PM
Post by: 70_GTX on February 01, 2008, 08:00:05 PM
Post by: Fired00d on February 01, 2008, 08:37:07 PM
Went by my local gun shop today to buy a Judge and found a long waiting list. I had them add me to the list but it looks like it's going to be quite a wait.Are they that popular or Taurus just making a limited number?
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: spydglide on February 01, 2008, 09:45:04 PM
okay, operator error!The real deal is not like the practice, is it? That's why it all goes back to the instinctive moves learned thru all the practice when it all goes wrong. If you want to get rid of the SS 380 Colt, you'll have no problem... ;)...they're getting harder and harder to find. spyder
i have shot many rounds too without failure. on the river bank. i lost confidence in it after my altercation. i still think its purdy. :coolblue:
Post by: graygus on February 01, 2008, 09:51:59 PM
Post by: Talon on February 13, 2008, 04:28:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on February 13, 2008, 04:35:08 PM
I got to get me one of these!!!This is one of my favorite toys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGKy4pa4bGY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
Post by: LRebel on February 13, 2008, 04:37:59 PM
I got to get me one of these!!!
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
Dang, I think I could increase my kill rate on quail if'in I had one of them.
Post by: miker on February 13, 2008, 07:06:05 PM
Post by: Fired00d on February 13, 2008, 08:08:17 PM
Toy boxVery nice, I like. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: dmnrdn on February 13, 2008, 09:48:33 PM
Be first or be dead...there is no second place winner in a gunfight. The subject of this book is the ways and means to survive and stay alive in just such an event.
This book has saved my life twice.
Post by: Fired00d on February 13, 2008, 10:12:32 PM
If you carry, I would recommend reading "No Second Place Winner" by Bill Jordan. He was a Border patrolman and one of the best revolver shots in the world.Thanks for the info I'll put it on the list of must reads. :2vrolijk_21:
Be first or be dead...there is no second place winner in a gunfight. The subject of this book is the ways and means to survive and stay alive in just such an event.
This book has saved my life twice.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Keats on February 13, 2008, 10:17:35 PM
and better.
?
Post by: harleyteam on February 14, 2008, 04:16:52 PM
just received this from a friend. had a few graffic pics,, but I'll leave them out.
How NOT to hold a revolver!
A St. Louis, Missouri guy on my AR-15 forum had a bad accident with his S&W 460XVR Magnum yesterday. He was shooting with a two handed hold and got his left thumb up near the lower front of the cylinder. The normal (powerful) gasses blowing out at the barrel/cylinder gap ripped the top of his left thumb off. I've added some of his posts & some pics.
S&W 460XVR Magnum
460XVR blew my thumb off today!
No joke, about 1/2 of my left thumb is gone ... what's left is a friggin mess.
It's pretty hard to type, and I'm only posting because you never know, it might save somebody else a thumb. I was using a 2-handed grip, fired off a Cor-Bon DPX .460 and the blast came violently out the side of the gun.
At first my thumb was so covered in blood that I couldn't see how bad it was ... and I was full of adrenaline and felt no pain. And honestly it looked really bad, my whole hand was covered in blood and it was kinda gushing.
The blown-off thumb was on my support hand. I'll re-create the grip tomorrow to see where my thumb was, but it's not like I didn't already know not to get any body part near the cylinder gap. And even if I totally screwed up and did, taking my thumb clean off seems a bit excessive?
Just be careful with those 460's. That case operates at such high pressure, it's just asking for trouble.
BTW, I bought my 460 new and had exactly 12 rounds through it. Info about the gun, it's a full-size 460 with the 8 3/4' barrel and factory installed compensator. It's one of the Whitetails Unlimited models. Ammo was 200gr Cor-Bon DPX.
The gun only had 12 or 13 rounds of the Cor-Bon through it, and 10 .45 Long Colt rounds through it. So it was essentially still brand new.
Saw a hand specialist while there today. Lots of ways to try and save what's left, but first I just have to hope it doesn't get infected in the next few days ... then surgery early next week.
The hand specialist I spent a few hours with last night said that in gunshot wounds there is always a lot more damage than is first visible ... same with things like fireworks going off in your hand. A lot more flesh around the wound is dead, and will rot and fall off over the next couple days. That's why it's so important to keep clean, and that's also why they can't do surgery now. If they wrapped new skin over dead skin it would just puss out, possibly turn gang-green, and they'd have to start all over again.
Post by: Keats on February 14, 2008, 08:56:03 PM
just received this from a friend. had a few graffic pics,, but I'll leave them out.
How NOT to hold a revolver!
A St. Louis, Missouri guy on my AR-15 forum had a bad accident with his S&W 460XVR Magnum yesterday. He was shooting with a two handed hold and got his left thumb up near the lower front of the cylinder. The normal (powerful) gasses blowing out at the barrel/cylinder gap ripped the top of his left thumb off. I've added some of his posts & some pics.
S&W 460XVR Magnum
460XVR blew my thumb off today!
No joke, about 1/2 of my left thumb is gone ... what's left is a friggin mess.
It's pretty hard to type, and I'm only posting because you never know, it might save somebody else a thumb. I was using a 2-handed grip, fired off a Cor-Bon DPX .460 and the blast came violently out the side of the gun.
At first my thumb was so covered in blood that I couldn't see how bad it was ... and I was full of adrenaline and felt no pain. And honestly it looked really bad, my whole hand was covered in blood and it was kinda gushing.
The blown-off thumb was on my support hand. I'll re-create the grip tomorrow to see where my thumb was, but it's not like I didn't already know not to get any body part near the cylinder gap. And even if I totally screwed up and did, taking my thumb clean off seems a bit excessive?
Just be careful with those 460's. That case operates at such high pressure, it's just asking for trouble.
BTW, I bought my 460 new and had exactly 12 rounds through it. Info about the gun, it's a full-size 460 with the 8 3/4' barrel and factory installed compensator. It's one of the Whitetails Unlimited models. Ammo was 200gr Cor-Bon DPX.
The gun only had 12 or 13 rounds of the Cor-Bon through it, and 10 .45 Long Colt rounds through it. So it was essentially still brand new.
Saw a hand specialist while there today. Lots of ways to try and save what's left, but first I just have to hope it doesn't get infected in the next few days ... then surgery early next week.
The hand specialist I spent a few hours with last night said that in gunshot wounds there is always a lot more damage than is first visible ... same with things like fireworks going off in your hand. A lot more flesh around the wound is dead, and will rot and fall off over the next couple days. That's why it's so important to keep clean, and that's also why they can't do surgery now. If they wrapped new skin over dead skin it would just puss out, possibly turn gang-green, and they'd have to start all over again.
WOW THAT IS INCREDIBLE!
I would never have thought that cylinder blow by could do so much damage...........I would have a good gunsmith look at that gun before anyone fired that again. My biggest gun is a 44 magnum and shooting many rounds will punish you, but that is over the top. I have had some gunshot burns from the cylinder blow by, but have always kept my thumb........something has to be seriously wrong with ammo or gun even though it is big caliber. My gun dealer has one of these sitting in the case with only a 4" barrel and I asked what in the world you would use a 460 with a 4" barrel for? They told me the recoil was not as bad as I would think and as a big game carry piece it might make sense!
anyway I hope you can make a full recovery from this freak accident.......
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on February 15, 2008, 07:49:17 AM
I had much the same thoughts! The ammo raises suspicion possibly more so than the weapon. I really hope things come together for you.
WOW THAT IS INCREDIBLE!
I would never have thought that cylinder blow by could do so much damage...........I would have a good gunsmith look at that gun before anyone fired that again. My biggest gun is a 44 magnum and shooting many rounds will punish you, but that is over the top. I have had some gunshot burns from the cylinder blow by, but have always kept my thumb........something has to be seriously wrong with ammo or gun even though it is big caliber. My gun dealer has one of these sitting in the case with only a 4" barrel and I asked what in the world you would use a 460 with a 4" barrel for? They told me the recoil was not as bad as I would think and as a big game carry piece it might make sense!
anyway I hope you can make a full recovery from this freak accident.......
Post by: 16HD117 on February 15, 2008, 06:12:33 PM
HK 45 Compact
:2vrolijk_21:
Post by: 16HD117 on February 15, 2008, 06:13:13 PM
Post by: Fired00d on February 15, 2008, 06:22:49 PM
The latest addition to my hand gun collection!Sweeeeeeeet!! :2vrolijk_21:
HK 45 Compact
:2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Copper/Black Cvo on February 17, 2008, 08:33:56 PM
How do you like the HK 45 Compact...
Size, Compactability, shooting...
Post by: 16HD117 on February 18, 2008, 09:58:42 AM
The main reason that I went with the HK compact is the way it fits my hand and it's small enough to carry concelled. Most full size 45's are too big for my "dainty" hand. There are a lot of 45 compacts on the market that are much smaller than the HK but again, fit was the reason I bought this one. All my fingers fit on the grip. Some 45C's are so small that your small finger hags below the grip. Not good!
Recoil is surprisingly low. Very easy to get gun back on target during rapid fire!
I shot about 150 rounds through it Saturday. No misfires, no jams!
:2vrolijk_21:
The
Post by: REGGAB on February 18, 2008, 10:59:15 AM
The latest addition to my hand gun collection!
HK 45 Compact
:2vrolijk_21:
Excellent Choice, and Great Taste, Tommy. Can't go wrong with much of anything from H&K. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: naitram on February 18, 2008, 06:20:08 PM
Post by: skippy on February 18, 2008, 06:28:25 PM
Post by: spydglide on February 18, 2008, 06:34:17 PM
maybe you guys can help, i'm looking for a bolt for an old Marlin 81 tube fed .22Neal, sometimes it's better on the old, worn out guns/rifles to just hang 'um on the wall for sentimental reasons and buy a new one......rebuilding 'um can cost more than replacement. That's what the gunsmiths are telling me, anyway. :-\ spyder
Post by: REGGAB on February 18, 2008, 07:53:11 PM
I have been looking for one here in CLT I need the ambi set up I am a big fan of 45s in the 1911 style but have been told that the HK is a Rolls Royce I have an HK Super 90 shotgun it is a great gun... I want to see one in person but not to many dealers stock them . what is your thoughts on Kimber ...
I do not have any personal experience with the Kimber line-up beyond examining them. They appear to be fine weapons upon examination and as indicated by asking price, but that price is a bit much for me. Others here have them, and perhaps they'll chime in. I'm quite happy with my H&K and Walther.
Post by: naitram on February 18, 2008, 08:58:48 PM
Neal, sometimes it's better on the old, worn out guns/rifles to just hang 'um on the wall for sentimental reasons and buy a new one......rebuilding 'um can cost more than replacement. That's what the gunsmiths are telling me, anyway. :-\ spyder
i hear ya but i love this rifle, it might even be as simple as a pin that i can get for a couple of bucks. i cant seem to find the parts list i got from marlin years ago. gonna have to write to them again
Post by: Guilty on February 18, 2008, 09:09:37 PM
The latest addition to my hand gun collection!
HK 45 Compact
:2vrolijk_21:
07hd110...you suck! jk - very nice pistol! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: 16HD117 on February 18, 2008, 09:17:51 PM
maybe you guys can help, i'm looking for a bolt for an old Marlin 81 tube fed .22
Neal, do they have gun shows in New England? If so, that would be the place to find your part.
Post by: Keats on February 18, 2008, 10:32:55 PM
I do not have any personal experience with the Kimber line-up beyond examining them. They appear to be fine weapons upon examination and as indicated by asking price, but that price is a bit much for me. Others here have them, and perhaps they'll chime in. I'm quite happy with my H&K and Walther.
Kimber is a great gun (made in Brooklyn?) but it is still the same old 1911 frame and for some reason I hate carrying cocked and locked on a 1911
It is just me I guess but that safety is easily moved and the trigger even easier. The H&K p2000 I can carry cocked and locked (I do not) or I carry 1 in the chamber and let the first shot be double action.......I am much more settled with that situation.......and H&K is a great gun also (not quite as heavy.
Post by: Keats on February 18, 2008, 10:36:45 PM
another
you would think for the price of those guns, they would give you the pin removal tool to change the grips? and that key to lock gun down is not as easy as I thought it should be........oh well what do you expect for $800.00 - $1000.00 plastic frame gun anymore?
Post by: HUBBARD on February 18, 2008, 10:45:42 PM
Post by: Keats on February 18, 2008, 10:57:06 PM
To each his own...........No Gun has the smooth action of a Colt..............but no Gun Trades like a Smith. As far as Auot's go..............the Smith & Wesson Model 39-2 (9mm), is hard to beat. While I tend to like older Guns, revolvers are my choice. Especially, packin' 2 at a time! ;) Later--HUBBARD
My colt Python 6" is extremely smooth ( I had the trigger worked to get the rest of the creep out of the gun) they are getting hard to find but My S&W
586 6" is also sweet after the trigger work done.....(the colt is still my favorite) and the S&W 686 8" stainless is a workhorse but not a carry piece
(none of my revolvers are really for carry...just to big)
Post by: Keats on February 18, 2008, 11:02:45 PM
To each his own...........No Gun has the smooth action of a Colt..............but no Gun Trades like a Smith. As far as Auot's go..............the Smith & Wesson Model 39-2 (9mm), is hard to beat. While I tend to like older Guns, revolvers are my choice. Especially, packin' 2 at a time! ;) Later--HUBBARD
Just noticed as a fellow West Virginian (we like our guns) I no longer live in WVA but born in Princeton (coal country) I need to get back and visit Family
have you heard of names like Matoka, Hiawatha , the old Roanoke Coal and Coke company had mines back there...
Post by: cuthbertss on February 19, 2008, 12:38:43 AM
i took one off a DUI the other night... small, light, gave the appearance of being well made...
sadly, it went into evidence...
but im thinking about getting one
any thoughts?
Post by: arcticdude on February 19, 2008, 10:48:30 AM
Post by: HUBBARD on February 19, 2008, 11:31:59 AM
Just noticed as a fellow West Virginian (we like our guns) I no longer live in WVA but born in Princeton (coal country) I need to get back and visit Family
have you heard of names like Matoka, Hiawatha , the old Roanoke Coal and Coke company had mines back there...
Dam, it's a small world! I was raised in a Coal Camp, 4 miles from Matoaka, in a little place called Dott, WV, right above Springton. My Dad was the Tipple Boss there, and my Mother was a School Teacher, there at Springton Elementary School. Taught me in the 3rd Grade! My Dad was killed there in a Mining Accident in 1972. At that time it was owned by CONSOL, who purchased it from Pocahontas Fuel Company. The name of the Mine was "Turkey Gap." I'd bet I know some of your Family. PM me, and we'll talk. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: HUBBARD on February 19, 2008, 11:55:13 AM
My colt Python 6" is extremely smooth ( I had the trigger worked to get the rest of the creep out of the gun) they are getting hard to find but My S&W
586 6" is also sweet after the trigger work done.....(the colt is still my favorite) and the S&W 686 8" stainless is a workhorse but not a carry piece
(none of my revolvers are really for carry...just to big)
I've got a Python too, but I think mine is an 8". I'll have to look. Haven't had it out in ages. I've got a 686, too, and I believe it is a 4". I'll report tomorrow. May send pics. I wouldn't take anything for my Python. One of the older ones. Mfg. in 1985. Smooth as silk. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: Coolbreeze on February 19, 2008, 03:37:16 PM
I've got a Python too, but I think mine is an 8". I'll have to look. Haven't had it out in ages. ..... I'll report tomorrow. May send pics. I wouldn't take anything for my Python. One of the older ones. ....AAAACCCKKKK!!!!!!! My eyes! my eyes..... :huepfenlol2:
Ok, seriously, I like the Kimbers... now. Just picked up AnOtHeR ultra-carry. (that makes three now.. I just had to have all the colors!) Very well made and engineered gun. Much smoother than any 1911 type colt I have ever purchased. The damn thing is same hole accurate on the ransom rest too! (not that I can shoot that well, but it'll sure take the wind out of my excuses...) I guess I've got 3 or 40 short guns now, of various different type, most worked over pretty heavily for trigger and accuracy, and this particular example really impressed me. I don't see any signs of re-working or trigger/internal work, and it's just perfect! three cheers for the factory boys!!!
Of course, I can't compete with pictures of my 8" python, posted on the internet...... so I'm going to go back out in the yard and shoot a can ot two....
Post by: 16HD117 on February 19, 2008, 03:51:46 PM
AAAACCCKKKK!!!!!!! My eyes! my eyes..... :huepfenlol2:
Ok, seriously, I like the Kimbers... now. Just picked up AnOtHeR ultra-carry. (that makes three now.. I just had to have all the colors!) Very well made and engineered gun. Much smoother than any 1911 type colt I have ever purchased. The damn thing is same hole accurate on the ransom rest too! (not that I can shoot that well, but it'll sure take the wind out of my excuses...) I guess I've got 3 or 40 short guns now, of various different type, most worked over pretty heavily for trigger and accuracy, and this particular example really impressed me. I don't see any signs of re-working or trigger/internal work, and it's just perfect! three cheers for the factory boys!!!
Of course, I can't compete with pictures of my 8" python, posted on the internet...... so I'm going to go back out in the yard and shoot a can ot two....
Not to worry Cool, it's probable a 2' snub nose!
:)
Post by: Hobo on February 19, 2008, 04:44:56 PM
maybe you guys can help, i'm looking for a bolt for an old Marlin 81 tube fed .22
Neil, one of the guys I work with is a gunsmith and collector. He gave me this address for Numrichs in NY. Check this out and see if you can find what you need.
http://www.e-gunparts.com/
Hobo
Post by: harleyteam on February 19, 2008, 04:55:07 PM
Subject: Still Think Gun Control Works?
Well, it doesn't seem to have helped - even though there are better than
35,000 federal, state and local laws directed at restricting gun
owenership......
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ&feature=related_
Post by: 70_GTX on February 19, 2008, 10:44:42 PM
Post by: cuthbertss on February 20, 2008, 11:46:59 AM
check this out
http://www.ruger.com/LCP/index.html
Post by: LRebel on February 20, 2008, 12:05:56 PM
check this out
http://www.ruger.com/LCP/index.html
Nice. I have always liked Ruger....durable and affordable. I have a P89 and a Super Blackhawk 44 - both great guns.
Post by: cuthbertss on February 20, 2008, 12:20:58 PM
Nice. I have always liked Ruger....durable and affordable. I have a P89 and a Super Blackhawk 44 - both great guns.
9 ounces..less than an inch wide... i may have a new toy!
Post by: LRebel on February 20, 2008, 12:23:41 PM
Post by: VaEagle on February 20, 2008, 01:57:18 PM
Now if you have decided to carry a firearm , you should try to stick with one weapon style and one method of carry. This will help build muscle memory and under stress you will reach instintively to the same spot and activate the weapon in the same manner without thinking about how the weapon functions today vs. what you may have carried yesterday etc. It would be a shame if a shooting situation arose and all you grabbed was a love handle or armpit hair instead of your gun.Then get in lots of pratice wearing what you would in everyday carry. Jackets/chaps, boots etc. Also try different positions as if you were seated on the bike or in a car/truck. How easy is the weapon to draw?
Look at the average shooting situation and you will realize that they are fast,short distance and usually one or two on one. There are always strange senarios where one guy is against a gang at 100 yards but that is rare. You also are not very likely to fire more than a few rounds so make it count with accuracy but hit with the largest caliber you can accurately hit your intended target. Remember that person will not just drop like in the movies with one shot but the bigger the caliber the more likely it will happen with less rounds. You will be held legally responible for each and every shot you fire so overpenetration or a stray round hitting a bystander is a concern of course.
When carrying a weapon you need to be concerned with maintenace more frequently due to weather and things like sweat. The finnish should be very durable and not shiny so it will be less visible to others when you want it concealed.
I personally like the Glock model 36 as a potent package that is concealable and durable and accurate.
Caliber
.45 AUTO
System
Safe Action
LENGTH
6.77in/172mm
HEIGHT
4.76in/121mm
WIDTH
1.13in/28.5mm
Barrel Height
1.26in/32mm
Line of Sight
6.18in/157mm
Barrel LENGTH
3.78in/96mm
WEIGHT
20.11oz/570g
LOADED (~)
26.99oz/765g
Mag. Capacity
6
Magazine Mass
Empty: 2.40oz./68g
Full: ~6.88oz/~195g
Trigger Pull
5.5lbs/2.5kg
Trigger Travel
0.5in/12.5mm
Expressly "thinned" for maximum concealability, its frame designed for an easy reach to the trigger for even the shortest adult fingers, this 7-shot .45 Auto is built with "maximum concealment with maximum power" in mind.
Barrel Rifling
right hand, Octagonal
Length of Twist
9.84in/250mm
Internal Locking System
Available
Number of Safeties
3
I just wanted to repost part 2 of my original post on this subject again since it has moved back to page 5 of this long thread.
When you compare the .380 mentioned above by several to the Glock 36 you can see that there is not much difference in dimensions but there is ballistic difference between a .380 vs. a .45 shot for shot. I do know that a hit with a .380 beats a miss with a .45 but all things considered I would rather use the .45 for personal defense.
The dimensional difference I saw between the two is that the .45 is 10 Ounces heaver, about 1 1/2" longer, 1" taller and about 3/10" wider.
Post by: cuthbertss on February 20, 2008, 02:33:09 PM
I just wanted to repost part 2 of my original post on this subject again since it has moved back to page 5 of this long thread.
When you compare the .380 mentioned above by several to the Glock 36 you can see that there is not much difference in dimensions but there is ballistic difference between a .380 vs. a .45 shot for shot. I do know that a hit with a .380 beats a miss with a .45 but all things considered I would rather use the .45 for personal defense.
The dimensional difference I saw between the two is that the .45 is 10 Ounces heaver, about 1 1/2" longer, 1" taller and about 3/10" wider.
good info.
I carry a G27 in 40 cal right now much of the time.
there are conditions when even its just too freaking heavy. many times i opt to not carry under those conditions. the .380 would fill that gap.
a .380 with good ammo is still a decent punch..and , most certainly better than an empty hand!
Post by: TN on February 20, 2008, 03:40:36 PM
like mentioned above stray fire is still deadly. and practice practice pratice. no time to think in the heat of the moment.
my springfield has a safety where the gun has to be gripped to fire. i like it. :2vrolijk_21:
be safe
TN
the next gun show i'm gettin a judge. :coolblue:
Post by: MJZ on February 20, 2008, 04:06:20 PM
I just wanted to repost part 2 of my original post on this subject again since it has moved back to page 5 of this long thread.
When you compare the .380 mentioned above by several to the Glock 36 you can see that there is not much difference in dimensions but there is ballistic difference between a .380 vs. a .45 shot for shot. I do know that a hit with a .380 beats a miss with a .45 but all things considered I would rather use the .45 for personal defense.
The dimensional difference I saw between the two is that the .45 is 10 Ounces heaver, about 1 1/2" longer, 1" taller and about 3/10" wider.
I have a 36 and I love it. Beats the heck out of these Kel-Tecs. I think they are made by Ronco, you can buy them on late night infomercials. If you order a Popel pocket fisherman and a Ronco veg-i-matic, they will send you a Ronco shoot-a-matic (Kel-Tec) for free. ;D ;D ;D
Post by: cuthbertss on February 20, 2008, 04:31:27 PM
I have a 36 and I love it. Beats the heck out of these Kel-Tecs. I think they are made by Ronco, you can buy them on late night infomercials. If you order a Popel pocket fisherman and a Ronco veg-i-matic, they will send you a Ronco shoot-a-matic (Kel-Tec) for free. ;D ;D ;D
lol
Post by: Biguglydude on February 20, 2008, 05:37:51 PM
Post by: MJZ on February 20, 2008, 05:44:27 PM
I also carry a Glock 27. In a leather holster at 3 O'Clock. 95% of the time I have it with me. Feel kind of naked without it! I carry it into Ky, Tn, Va, W.Va, North and South Carolina when I go to Charlotte, Martinsville and Daytona NASCAR races. I lock it in a box in those states that just don't understand. "wink, wink" I need to get my Florida permit. :jack: Don't leave home without it! :2vrolijk_21:
Florida is a reciprocating state, if I am not mistaken, they recognize all southeastern states carry permits. I know they reciprocate with Tennessee.
Post by: MJZ on February 20, 2008, 05:55:15 PM
Tennessee
States That Honor Your Tennessee Permit
ALASKA* ALABAMA ARKANSAS ARIZONA COLORADO
DELAWARE FLORIDA GEORGIA IDAHO INDIANA
KANSAS KENTUCKY LOUISIANA MICHIGAN MINNESOTA
MISSOURI MISSISSIPPI MONTANA NEW HAMPSHIRE NORTH CAROLINA
NORTH DAKOTA NEW MEXICO OHIO OKLAHOMA PENNSYLVANIA
SOUTH CAROLINA SOUTH DAKOTA TEXAS UTAH VERMONT*
VIRGINIA WYOMING
Post by: Keats on February 24, 2008, 12:44:27 AM
I found this website for gun nuts, I am amazed how much it appears these guns are worth...
www.gunbroker.com
Post by: MJZ on February 24, 2008, 01:18:36 AM
Post by: MJZ on February 24, 2008, 01:22:54 AM
Post by: Fired00d on February 24, 2008, 07:29:55 AM
That's nice. :2vrolijk_21: Let us know how it goes at the range and if you can get some pics of the target after a few rounds have been shot into it. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Biguglydude on February 25, 2008, 07:31:27 AM
Post by: spydglide on February 25, 2008, 07:58:48 AM
??? I looked at those. I have a the older Taurus 357 that shoots just great. I also have several .410's that shoot great as well. Putting both 45 and .410 in one revolver... :nixweiss: I don't know? On the other hand, having a shot gun (even a .410) in your pocket can't be all that bad. :confused5: Let us know (1) how the .410 shells feel balanced wiss with one hand, and (2) how hard is this to conceal?A small person (such as moi) would need to wear a overcoat or one of those waist pouches that I don't consider concealling anything. ??? har! :drink: spyder
Post by: Fired00d on February 25, 2008, 11:55:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: TN on February 28, 2008, 01:46:04 PM
Oh yea!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
very interesting.
just when i thought i'd seen it all. and stated no desire to mass produce.
we'll see
TN
Post by: MJZ on February 28, 2008, 02:24:32 PM
Post by: cuthbertss on February 28, 2008, 11:25:21 PM
I want one.
hell yea!!! sign me up
Post by: Trapperdog on February 29, 2008, 10:22:42 AM
Post by: Janine on February 29, 2008, 12:02:54 PM
Post by: ccr on February 29, 2008, 01:44:09 PM
Wife arrested for killing husband, accidently shooting revolver that she has no idea how to work, while using a tea light for immuniation during a electrical outage.
No - I do not carry. And you are all safer for it.
:huepfenlol2:
Post by: REGGAB on February 29, 2008, 01:53:19 PM
A couple of weeks ago we had a wind storm ----- I think it was 70 + mph winds. At any rate our electicity was knocked out for about 30 hours. During the night - not sleeping well anyway- sleep number bed can't be set without electricity, dog started to go nuts, running up and down the stairs, barking her fool head off. I look outside and my car that sits in front of the house - not enough room in garage for all the toys - the overhead light is on, it comes on if you open the door handle. I look around and I see the neighbor across the street roming around his house, so figure his dog has alerted to something too. So I, dressed in slippers and bath robe (Already a scary sight), armed with a little battery charged tea light am going to go downstairs and find out what is going on. I momentarily think about the gun in the husband's night stand. Then a scenario plays in my head.
Wife arrested for killing husband, accidently shooting revolver that she has no idea how to work, while using a tea light for immuniation during a electrical outage.
No - I do not carry. And you are all safer for it.
:huepfenlol2:
Well......I guess that could be a good thing. On the other hand, my bride...........all 5'4" 107lbs of her..........is very proficient with a pistol. I worry....but not much. The Girl is lethal. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Janine on February 29, 2008, 01:55:21 PM
A couple of weeks ago we had a wind storm ----- I think it was 70 + mph winds. At any rate our electicity was knocked out for about 30 hours. During the night - not sleeping well anyway- sleep number bed can't be set without electricity, dog started to go nuts, running up and down the stairs, barking her fool head off. I look outside and my car that sits in front of the house - not enough room in garage for all the toys - the overhead light is on, it comes on if you open the door handle. I look around and I see the neighbor across the street roming around his house, so figure his dog has alerted to something too. So I, dressed in slippers and bath robe (Already a scary sight), armed with a little battery charged tea light am going to go downstairs and find out what is going on. I momentarily think about the gun in the husband's night stand. Then a scenario plays in my head.
Wife arrested for killing husband, accidently shooting revolver that she has no idea how to work, while using a tea light for immuniation during a electrical outage.
No - I do not carry. And you are all safer for it.
:huepfenlol2:
Out of curiosity, what was going on?
Post by: 16HD117 on February 29, 2008, 01:58:07 PM
A couple of weeks ago we had a wind storm ----- I think it was 70 + mph winds. At any rate our electicity was knocked out for about 30 hours. During the night - not sleeping well anyway- sleep number bed can't be set without electricity, dog started to go nuts, running up and down the stairs, barking her fool head off. I look outside and my car that sits in front of the house - not enough room in garage for all the toys - the overhead light is on, it comes on if you open the door handle. I look around and I see the neighbor across the street roming around his house, so figure his dog has alerted to something too. So I, dressed in slippers and bath robe (Already a scary sight), armed with a little battery charged tea light am going to go downstairs and find out what is going on. I momentarily think about the gun in the husband's night stand. Then a scenario plays in my head.
Wife arrested for killing husband, accidently shooting revolver that she has no idea how to work, while using a tea light for immuniation during a electrical outage.
No - I do not carry. And you are all safer for it.
:huepfenlol2:
Hey Candy, What's a tea light??? :nixweiss:
Post by: ccr on February 29, 2008, 02:18:38 PM
The tea light ----- you are going to laugh at the image of me - carrying a 1 inch tea light as if it were a weapon as I trudge through the house, open doors and demand to know what is going on outside.
But a tea light is about 1 inch round and 3/4 inch tall candle, I have the battery operated ones, it has a flame shaped LED bulb which softly flickers to mimic the effect of a real candle. LED bulb has no smoke or flame so it's safe to use, usually we use them for decorations. And the small size fit into the bath robe pocket for moving from room to room once we went to bed. While we were still up listening to the radio, we had kerosene lanterns, and candles so our house looked pretty lit up from the outside.
Post by: leoniru on February 29, 2008, 06:02:05 PM
Always carry when on the bike and lately always wherever I go anywhere -- whether it's to the bank, shopping, the mall or to work. Once at work (I worked in an emergency room for 21 years now) I have to discretely transfer the weopon into my locker as I don't feel comfortable leaving it in my vehicle despite a vehicular alarm system. I would be immediately fired if my carry piece were found by the administrators at work, but I feel if I can get to it and effectively use it to save either my life or that of one of my colleagues, it's a worthwhile trade. Especially since our security are NOT allowed to even carry defensive sprays, tasers, or a baton let alone a firearm!! No metal detectors and the doors aren't even locked down at night!! I know we're 'overdue' for a situation caused by some desperate crack-head or junkie, or gang-banger. Of course I don't make it known what I do at work, nor do I broadcast the fact that I'm carrying in general. I also subscribe to the 'better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6' philosophy. Yeah, I have a CCL, but I wonder if it might just make it that much easier for the gun grabbers to know where and who to look up when the day comes to try and disarm the populace in this country.
Usually carry in a fanny pack. Not very quick to deploy but doesn't broadcast the fact that I'm packing, at least not in NE Pennsylvania. Oh yeah, I also always carry a Surefire flashlight with extra batterys. In fact, the light itself is bright enough to knock out someone's vision temporarily.
leoniru
Post by: skippy on February 29, 2008, 08:56:08 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on March 06, 2008, 09:10:10 AM
anyone on here have exeprience with Kel-Tec? in particular the .380The P3AT is a great gun , but if you get one make sure it was manufactured after 2005. Prior models had extraction problems (the company is great w/fixing it, but you may not be around to send it back to them). Also they cannot fire +P or +P+ rounds, but cor-bon, speer, and win. rangers are plenty powerful. You can get them for around $270 and they have very little recoil and tight grouping.
i took one off a DUI the other night... small, light, gave the appearance of being well made...
sadly, it went into evidence...
but im thinking about getting one
any thoughts?
Post by: Hugh Janis on March 06, 2008, 10:04:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
Post by: Fired00d on March 06, 2008, 10:08:34 AM
Is this considered a concealed weapon?Only if they would produce it. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Oh yea!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: spydglide on March 10, 2008, 07:04:12 PM
Oh yeah, I also always carry a Surefire flashlight with extra batterys. In fact, the light itself is bright enough to knock out someone's vision temporarily.Which model Surefire do you carry? :nixweiss: thanks, spyder
leoniru
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 07:07:51 PM
Which model Surefire do you carry? :nixweiss: thanks, spyder
I typically carry the E2D Exec Defender , light bright and has a very cool bezel for close in core sample removal
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 07:09:44 PM
I typically carry the E2D Exec Defender , light bright and has a very cool bezel for close in core sample removal
btw they offer a 25% mil/ LE discount factory direct on everything
awesome folks to work with
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 07:14:25 PM
L6 porcupine special
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 07:15:46 PM
Post by: spydglide on March 10, 2008, 07:31:03 PM
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 07:32:49 PM
Nice! What's the battery life on that model, Scott? :nixweiss: thanks, spyder
which one ? the E2D lasts a while...... only changed batteries once that i can think of in three years....the L6 i have never changed the batteries in.... i rarely take it out of the box...... this thread just made me think of it
about 8 in overall length..i figure if i carry it at work id be in IA in a NY minute lol
Post by: Trapperdog on March 10, 2008, 08:31:23 PM
http://www.videovat.com/videos/1234/cell-gun-phone.aspx
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 09:31:17 PM
Cell phone gun - Real or hoax?
http://www.videovat.com/videos/1234/cell-gun-phone.aspx
sadly, there are a zillion variations like this out there...all real
Post by: harleyteam on March 11, 2008, 11:19:51 AM
www.ConcealmentT.com
Post by: Smiler on March 12, 2008, 05:25:44 AM
Post by: skreminegul07 on March 12, 2008, 10:37:53 AM
bought one of these in Daytona, thought you guys would want to check it out.
www.ConcealmentT.com
How does that no arm guy draw that piece? HA
Post by: arcticdude on March 12, 2008, 02:14:15 PM
bought one of these in Daytona, thought you guys would want to check it out.
www.ConcealmentT.com
Going to need something small to work and be comfortable there. What are you planning on using as a cover over that?
Post by: skippy on March 12, 2008, 09:08:10 PM
Post by: spydglide on March 12, 2008, 09:25:32 PM
Been on a gun binge new Glock 21 SF in 45 with nite sites real neat gun having the slide polished out next week . also have been looking for a Springfield Champion Operator in 45 it came in today love this gun tricked out from the factory cvo style.....OK Skippy.......... :worthless: Har! :drink: spyder
Post by: harleyteam on March 13, 2008, 05:52:01 PM
Going to need something small to work and be comfortable there. What are you planning on using as a cover over that?
just a regular shirt , untucked, or my vest covers pretty well.
Post by: Pete7539 on March 14, 2008, 11:41:52 PM
Just got the FN, can't wait to fire it. Anybody have any SS190 ammo they'd be willing to part with?
Post by: TN on March 14, 2008, 11:55:53 PM
Glock 19 w/tritium sights, FNH Five-Seven, Glock 27 w/lasermax, Kel-Tec P3AT
Just got the FN, can't wait to fire it. Anybody have any SS190 ammo they'd be willing to part with?
if more ppl packed like this , criminals would think twice.
:coolblue:
TN
Post by: Pete7539 on March 15, 2008, 12:01:17 AM
Post by: RJ749 on March 15, 2008, 01:51:02 AM
I'd definitely run for cover if I saw this girl http://digg.com/comedy/Skinny_Girl_Owned_By_Desert_Eagle
My kid shot my .50 some when he weighed maybe 130 lbs. She didn't stand a chance with teh stance, grip etc. The gun kicks way less than my .44 Anaconda.
By the way, never stand behind a woman firing a big handgun, especially if you gave her more than one round. The ultimate outcome was as the gun recoiled she held it on her shoulder and it fired the third time. That killed the guy standing behind her that had brought a group to the range.
http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=2535311&date=19970423&query=wade%27s+gun+shop
Post by: Pete7539 on March 15, 2008, 10:17:16 AM
By the way, never stand behind a woman firing a big handgun, especially if you gave her more than one round. The ultimate outcome was as the gun recoiled she held it on her shoulder and it fired the third time. That killed the guy standing behind her that had brought a group to the range.
http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=2535311&date=19970423&query=wade%27s+gun+shop
Sad, but not surprising. :-X
Post by: naitram on March 18, 2008, 07:56:16 PM
(http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Walther//upload/images/firearms/WAP10001.jpg)
Walther PPS - More Conceal, Less Carry
The Walther Police Pistol Slim (PPS) model narrows the margin between concealment and confidence by packing Walther innovation into an unbelievable 1.04 inch profile. It's amazing how much professional-grade design actually fits into this lightweight sub-compact. Available in either 9mm or .40S&W (Fall 2007), the PPS packs in more power. All in all, the PPS embodies both the legendary quality and tradition of innovation that make it not just a great pistol — but a great Walther pistol.
PPS Power - Small Frame, Large Caliber
In 9mm or .40S&W, the PPS has several notable features aimed at better fit and safe performance in its narrow dimensions. From your choice of perfect-fitting backstrap (small or large) to our patented QuickSafe™ innovation, no one packs in the power and features like Walther:
Ambidextrous Magazine Release
Two Magazine Sizes (Third Optional)
Loaded Chamber & Cocking Indicators
Small & Large Backstrap
Trigger Safety
Internal Striker Safety
Walther QuickSafe™ Safety
9mm Caliber
6 & 7 Round Magazines Included (8 Rounds Available)
.40S&W Caliber
5 & 6 Round Magazines Included (7 Rounds Available)
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10002&catalogId=13152&langId=-1&productId=60492&tabselected=over&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=44304
Post by: Fired00d on March 18, 2008, 08:00:14 PM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: naitram on March 18, 2008, 08:06:01 PM
Post by: cuthbertss on March 18, 2008, 08:08:51 PM
i have no issue with the quality being worth it.. its just a lot to invest
Post by: Fired00d on March 18, 2008, 08:11:23 PM
only draw back i see is low capacity magsNoticed that (8 max/9mm). Would make a nice backup/ankle holster carry, but I can get 15 round clip for the Berretta. My S&W is small enough now for a backup/ankle holster carry, and that has 12 round clip.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Pete7539 on March 18, 2008, 09:50:59 PM
Post by: naitram on March 19, 2008, 09:39:43 AM
Post by: Biguglydude on March 19, 2008, 10:23:09 AM
Post by: naitram on March 19, 2008, 10:27:47 AM
:huepfenjump3: I love my G27! Goes everywhere I go! Hey, why does the lower trigger guard of the PPS swivel down? :confused5: It does look pretty!
i was wondering that myself
Post by: Biguglydude on March 19, 2008, 10:29:50 AM
The magazine release is the latest in Germanic design. The lower part of the triggerguard has a hinged lever, and you press that lever down to release the magazine. It takes some getting used to. However, it is ambidextrous, unobtrusive and, considering that there is absolutely no room on the frame for a customary (to American shooters) magazine button, pretty clever. Not new but still clever.
Post by: spydglide on March 19, 2008, 10:32:37 AM
only draw back i see is low capacity magsI wonder if they (or someone) will make a extended mag for it? :nixweiss: spyder
Post by: naitram on March 19, 2008, 10:38:56 AM
Post by: comfortablynumb on March 19, 2008, 11:15:05 AM
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 11:21:12 AM
I put 2 in the scumbags chest and once in the skull on the way down after he cut me through the window on my truck...
Cops said nice shootin....but this IS the Gunshine state, thank goodness. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: LRebel on March 19, 2008, 11:30:39 AM
We could be one election and/or a few supreme court appointments from seeing our second amendment rights disappear. People better wakeup and smell the coffee. :(
Post by: GMAN on March 19, 2008, 11:41:27 AM
GMAN
Post by: Biguglydude on March 19, 2008, 12:15:42 PM
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 12:25:59 PM
Property protection isa little dicy, but luckily we have a "castle doctrine" in Florida. It does not justify homocide but will keep you safe from prosecution, unless you unload on somebody banging on your door as recently happened down here.
I think the shooter effed up when he went outside after the 1st shot and pumped another one into the idiot on the ground.
"Officer, I was in fear of my life and would like to speak to my lawyer as soon as possible please", keep repeating....
Dirtbags beware, some of us nice guys bite.
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 12:28:13 PM
Post by: Biguglydude on March 19, 2008, 12:29:34 PM
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 12:32:30 PM
I will probably go with the kimber 45 in 3"....
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 12:39:57 PM
If somebody intends to do you or yours harm, as in slashing me through an open window with a group of other miscreants waiting to pull me out, rob and kill me, they deserve to die, period. If my family is involved, double duty. I wish I had the greezer with me but then I would have gone to the clink because I would have cut them all down.
Property protection isa little dicy, but luckily we have a "castle doctrine" in Florida. It does not justify homocide but will keep you safe from prosecution, unless you unload on somebody banging on your door as recently happened down here.
I think the shooter effed up when he went outside after the 1st shot and pumped another one into the idiot on the ground.
"Officer, I was in fear of my life and would like to speak to my lawyer as soon as possible please", keep repeating....
Dirtbags beware, some of us nice guys bite.
Thats not a gun, this is a gun ha, man have a hell of a time getting it in the bags ;)
Post by: Biguglydude on March 19, 2008, 12:53:02 PM
That's a nice Kimber! A 1911 is the next pistol on my list to buy. And Yes, everyone should have an AR-15. I don't have any pics handy of my Colt AR-15 but, it sure do group'em nice at 200 yards!
Post by: RJ749 on March 19, 2008, 12:56:43 PM
saw this in American Rifleman
(http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Walther//upload/images/firearms/WAP10001.jpg)
Walther PPS - More Conceal, Less Carry
Here's the Walther I got awhile back, don't carry this one, more of a collector piece; 75th Anniversary
Post by: Pete7539 on March 19, 2008, 01:27:25 PM
I wonder if they (or someone) will make a extended mag for it? :nixweiss: spyder
I think the only reasonable extension would be one round (for pinky to wrap around) because I believe its only a single stack mag. Anything bigger would start to look silly like the 30 rd. mag for the Glock.
Post by: spydglide on March 19, 2008, 01:38:03 PM
I think the only reasonable extension would be one round (for pinky to wrap around) because I believe its only a single stack mag. Anything bigger would start to look silly like the 30 rd. mag for the Glock.'looking silly' doesn't bother me as optional backup mags are only used when reloading and not in a 'carry' situation. How 'dependable' it feeds is my only concern if I can comfortably carry it. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
Post by: Pete7539 on March 19, 2008, 01:50:41 PM
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 02:00:43 PM
Didn't think of it that way, may just tuck a 30 rd. inside jacket pocket for reload :2vrolijk_21:. Quality ammo and a quality gun shouldn't misfeed, but always practice extration/smokestack malfunctions so its second nature should the time come cause you never know when Murphys gonna lay down the law.
Thats a amen brother ol Murphy always shows up and its always at a bad time.
Post by: arcticdude on March 19, 2008, 02:13:00 PM
Did you ever wonder why the US Military is the ONLY ones to carry Berettas? Stick with the Glocks or better 1911's. You'll always be able to use it. While I prefer the 45's, I'm probably going to switch to a 9mm. Most BG's are carrying this or smaller. Once I drop one of them, I've got more ammo if I need it. The 9 also has more to begin with in a smaller package. In most "confrontations" you shoot til empty. Hopefully you don't have to reload, but if you do, then reloading after 13 and adding 13 is a whole lot better than reloading after 8 and only adding 8. Think about appendix carry over the ankle carry. Ankle carry for a primary only has you start falling while you're getting shot. Your first shot needs to be off in under 2 seconds to be effective. (Even a close miss will have them starting to duck- certainly a hit is better, but may not always happen.) You simply can't do that with an ankle carry. Even SOB (small of back) is tough to get a shot of in less than 2 seconds. Appendix can be done with a little practice. The reason for the 2 second shot time is that most confrontations are over in 3 seconds. Even with a 2 second shot time, you a severely behind the power curve. At that point, you've already had 3 shots in your direction if they've pulled first. An airsoft works really well to practice this.
As for filling a BG full of holes, I'm emptying the magazine, reloading and THEN waiting to see if further action is needed. That's what umbrella policies are for. Cheap with lots of coverage. EVERYBODY on this site should have one, whether they carry or not! It's all about asset protection.
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 02:38:49 PM
Thats not a gun, this is a gun ha, man have a hell of a time getting it in the bags ;)
How about a box o guns....The M4 is a real gun make big boom boom.
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 02:40:50 PM
d00d,
Did you ever wonder why the US Military is the ONLY ones to carry Berettas? Stick with the Glocks or better 1911's. You'll always be able to use it. While I prefer the 45's, I'm probably going to switch to a 9mm. Most BG's are carrying this or smaller. Once I drop one of them, I've got more ammo if I need it. The 9 also has more to begin with in a smaller package. In most "confrontations" you shoot til empty. Hopefully you don't have to reload, but if you do, then reloading after 13 and adding 13 is a whole lot better than reloading after 8 and only adding 8. Think about appendix carry over the ankle carry. Ankle carry for a primary only has you start falling while you're getting shot. Your first shot needs to be off in under 2 seconds to be effective. (Even a close miss will have them starting to duck- certainly a hit is better, but may not always happen.) You simply can't do that with an ankle carry. Even SOB (small of back) is tough to get a shot of in less than 2 seconds. Appendix can be done with a little practice. The reason for the 2 second shot time is that most confrontations are over in 3 seconds. Even with a 2 second shot time, you a severely behind the power curve. At that point, you've already had 3 shots in your direction if they've pulled first. An airsoft works really well to practice this.
As for filling a BG full of holes, I'm emptying the magazine, reloading and THEN waiting to see if further action is needed. That's what umbrella policies are for. Cheap with lots of coverage. EVERYBODY on this site should have one, whether they carry or not! It's all about asset protection.
Have you ever seen a Seal take the top works off a Beretta and your standing there with the lower frame in your hand while he has a chuck of iron your fixin to eat oh damn it.
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 02:48:10 PM
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 02:50:41 PM
Damn miker you better not even drive close to the airport with that case ha, thats the way to travel ;)
Only to and from the camp or range...The greezer is only in its gi cardboard box...A silenced 22 lr is next on the list.
Guns is like tater chipsor harleys's, cain't have just one! :cucumber:
Post by: Pete7539 on March 19, 2008, 02:51:33 PM
How about a box o guns....The M4 is a real gun make big boom boom.
Is the M4 that much cleaner than than say an FN SLP or Rem. 1100? Benelli claims that the way it reloads makes it that much cleaner and much less to clean than other selfloaders. I'm contemplating between an M4 and the SLP :nixweiss:
Post by: Fired00d on March 19, 2008, 02:53:34 PM
d00d,Can't and will not argue the point of there are probably better things out there then the Berretta's, but it's like owning/buying Harley's once you like something it's hard to get away from it. :nixweiss: I know Glocks are better, but they remind me so much of the Mattel guns I used to play w/as a kid. Have always been taught/told to "shoot the threat down" no if, ands, buts about it. I'll have 15 round clips so as you suggested I should be alright in that respect. Definitely will carry on the hip, and only thinking of ankle carry as a backup gun (S&W Model 669) or for some reason I wouldn't be able to conceal on the hip.
Did you ever wonder why the US Military is the ONLY ones to carry Berettas? Stick with the Glocks or better 1911's. You'll always be able to use it. While I prefer the 45's, I'm probably going to switch to a 9mm. Most BG's are carrying this or smaller. Once I drop one of them, I've got more ammo if I need it. The 9 also has more to begin with in a smaller package. In most "confrontations" you shoot til empty Hopefully you don't have to reload, but if you do, then reloading after 13 and adding 13 is a whole lot better than reloading after 8 and only adding 8. Think about appendix carry over the ankle carry. Ankle carry for a primary only has you start falling while you're getting shot. Your first shot needs to be off in under 2 seconds to be effective. (Even a close miss will have them starting to duck- certainly a hit is better, but may not always happen.) You simply can't do that with an ankle carry. Even SOB (small of back) is tough to get a shot of in less than 2 seconds. Appendix can be done with a little practice. The reason for the 2 second shot time is that most confrontations are over in 3 seconds. Even with a 2 second shot time, you a severely behind the power curve. At that point, you've already had 3 shots in your direction if they've pulled first. An airsoft works really well to practice this.
As for filling a BG full of holes, I'm emptying the magazine, reloading and THEN waiting to see if further action is needed. That's what umbrella policies are for. Cheap with lots of coverage. EVERYBODY on this site should have one, whether they carry or not! It's all about asset protection.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 02:59:36 PM
Only to and from the camp or range...The greezer is only in its gi cardboard box...A silenced 22 lr is next on the list.
Guns is like tater chipsor harleys's, cain't have just one! :cucumber:
Oh I was a full blown junkie at one time over 270 long rifles and more than 150 hand guns, when I brought home a 4000# safe door from a bank that was being remodeled so I could build a walkin gun safe my wife told me, Honey you really need to think about going to rehab ;D
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 03:01:50 PM
Is the M4 that much cleaner than than say an FN SLP or Rem. 1100? Benelli claims that the way it reloads makes it that much cleaner and much less to clean than other selfloaders. I'm contemplating between an M4 and the SLP :nixweiss:
It eats anything, even lowbounce ammo...It seems cleaner (but I'll blast a couple of cases on a shoot) than my remmy (which I love), but the blam blam blam blam blam blam of the m4 is pretty neat and it shoots a tight bunch, murder on clays. Besides the look on on the foo foo weatherby shooters is great when they see a black gun smashin clays.
I need to get the ammo tube extension for two more and the collapsible stock only because, well it is tacticool!
Shoot straight n safe.
:jalapeno:
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 03:04:09 PM
Oh I was a full blown junkie at one time over 270 long rifles and more than 150 hand guns, when I brought home a 4000# safe door from a bank that was being remodeled so I could build a walkin gun safe my wife told me, Honey you really need to think about going to rehab ;D
I gottcha wrench...I'll am cooling off on them simply so I don't have to get a bigger safe. I only have 10 or so longs and 4 pistols, so there is room for a few more.... ;)
Post by: Pete7539 on March 19, 2008, 03:07:59 PM
It eats anything, even lowbounce ammo...It seems cleaner (but I'll blast a couple of cases on a shoot) than my remmy (which I love), but the blam blam blam blam blam blam of the m4 is pretty neat and it shoots a tight bunch, murder on clays. Besides the look on on the foo foo weatherby shooters is great when they see a black gun smashin clays.
I need to get the ammo tube extension for two more and the collapsible stock only because, well it is tacticool!
Shoot straight n safe.
:jalapeno:
Thanks, I'll probably go w/ the M4 then. This is probably what you're lookin for http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=23213 I'll be sure to get one
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 03:13:30 PM
I gottcha wrench...I'll am cooling off on them simply so I don't have to get a bigger safe. I only have 10 or so longs and 4 pistols, so there is room for a few more.... ;)
Yep they stay in my safe and one under my pillow unless the grandkids come over, then that one gets put up. You can always buy another safe, uh lets see what is the combo to his one
Post by: cuthbertss on March 19, 2008, 08:22:07 PM
Have you ever seen a Seal take the top works off a Beretta and your standing there with the lower frame in your hand while he has a chuck of iron your fixin to eat oh damn it.
they actually fixed that problem about 10yrs ago..but still
its one of the many issues with the Beretta that i can think of.... only touch em when i has to!
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 10:09:22 PM
they actually fixed that problem about 10yrs ago..but still
its one of the many issues with the Beretta that i can think of.... only touch em when i has to!
I had heard they made a change in that, the one I had was a sweet shooter, but that was a draw back on it. You can lock nearly any auto down if you got the nerve to grab and pull it into your stmoach, you just better be strong enough to hold it while you beat the H out of him with your free hand, wheel guns are the same way if you can hand lock the cylinder. Its good to know if some one is close to you and they look serious about pulling the trigger. My father always told me dont pull the gun unless your going to use it and when the music is done you better be the only on standing. I hope that day never comes.
Post by: Pete7539 on March 20, 2008, 12:16:41 PM
Thanks, I'll probably go w/ the M4 then. This is probably what you're lookin for http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=23213 I'll be sure to get one
Even better yet http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=94613691
Post by: old wrench on March 24, 2008, 08:17:29 AM
http://www.doubleviking.com:80/videos/tag/awesome/page0.html/8409.html
Post by: AXIL on March 24, 2008, 10:38:23 AM
Post by: arcticdude on March 24, 2008, 04:07:28 PM
Post by: miker on March 24, 2008, 04:38:20 PM
Saiga 12 for a shotgun works quite well! Faster than the Benny's and Remmy's. Easier to reload 10 rounds, too! Good pattern with anything I've tried. It really likes slugs.
I am tempted to order one in auto! They are cool! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: miker on March 24, 2008, 05:37:02 PM
http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm
Post by: Rooster452 on March 24, 2008, 08:47:15 PM
I love em...
http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm
Now that brings back memories of dove hunting in Wellington.
Post by: Talon on March 31, 2008, 01:44:26 PM
http://uscca.us/contests/signup/i_am_an_armed_american.html
Post by: arcticdude on April 01, 2008, 07:57:53 PM
Post by: Talon on April 01, 2008, 08:09:35 PM
I "subscribed" to that newsletter for a little while, just to see if it was any good. Mostly nothing but trying to get you to pay to be let on another forum and see the "paid-up members valuable sections". Don't waste your time.
Ok, thanks, it was sent to me and I haven't gotten around to reading it. I guess I'll look at the free stuff, and then get rid of it.
Post by: Fired00d on April 01, 2008, 08:11:31 PM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Keats on April 03, 2008, 10:02:17 PM
nice Glock.......
I want one!
Post by: Sklywag on April 03, 2008, 11:28:39 PM
Post by: Capo on April 04, 2008, 12:48:17 AM
Post by: sadunbar on April 04, 2008, 08:27:24 AM
that would drill a hole for the satellite dish-huh?
I think that would drill a hole to park a freight train!
Post by: Biguglydude on April 04, 2008, 09:22:04 AM
Post by: jimp on April 05, 2008, 04:46:12 PM
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/312030167.jpg)
Rohrbaugh 9mm $945
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/312030910.jpg)
Post by: Chief on April 05, 2008, 05:00:19 PM
Kel-Tec .380
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/312030167.jpg)
Rohrbaugh 9mm $945
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/312030910.jpg)
Jimp,
With that wig I think you'd be PERFECT on the Moto crew for the Tampa 3-Day Komen Breast Cancer Walk. I did it last year and it was a lot of fun. Women everywhere, and very appreciative. ;)
:indian_chief:
Post by: Coolbreeze on April 05, 2008, 10:11:19 PM
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on April 05, 2008, 11:32:18 PM
_Beags
Post by: naitram on April 07, 2008, 01:24:11 PM
what about the posts bragging about excessive speeding...... and pictures of the GPS to prove it.
if you post intent and then go Columbine or VT...... well that posting will be the least of your problems
Post by: naitram on April 07, 2008, 01:24:55 PM
former NRA president Charlton Heston passed away this weekend
http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/gallery/charltonheston/
Post by: blowncobra on April 07, 2008, 04:23:28 PM
Post by: jimp on April 07, 2008, 05:54:06 PM
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/310841804.jpg)
Post by: jimp on April 07, 2008, 05:57:26 PM
WOW! a grand for that rorbaugh? I figured spendy, but not outrageous! How does it shoot? :nixweiss:
The Rorbaugh will hurt your hand with enough rounds down the range, so will the Kel-tec. They both group good for what they are.
Post by: Coolbreeze on April 08, 2008, 03:29:46 PM
Then again, I run a Desert Eagle .50AE, and I like the recoil on that better than the recoil on the Walther PPKS that I had run... (robust versus sharp and nasty...)
Post by: oldharleyguy on April 26, 2008, 10:09:48 PM
Post by: Capo on April 26, 2008, 10:58:43 PM
Post by: spydglide on April 27, 2008, 02:45:15 PM
Colt Commander Wilson Combat upgrades, extended mag with Black Talons in a Galco pancake holster and and extra clip :2vrolijk_21:
.22 Mag with HP's or Snake Shot in a pocket holster.
Sean Agree, Agree.....FlaMarine. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: har! spyder
Post by: 2PAK on April 28, 2008, 12:15:08 AM
I personally carry, I always have. :2vrolijk_21: I believe in it and recommend it for folks who’ve had proper training, can do it legally (haven’t been convicted of felonies etc), aren’t on their way to becoming nut cases. :nervous:
Here’s my two cents on what works for me. For rides around my hood, about a 100 mile radius, I carry a S/W model 642 5-shot revolver with hollow points in a Mika pocket holster. I also carry one strip of 6 rounds in the other pocket which are so light to carry I forget they are there sometimes. On the bike, I carry a “Center of Mass” small lockable gun safe for those times when I need to go into a place for a bite to eat that also happens to be a bar. In my state, you can’t legally carry in a bar. :drink: By the way, no one has ever seen me make the transition from carry to a lockable state on the bike. I just manage to do it without being noticed. Obviously, I don’t broadcast to anyone that I am carrying so it’s not something folks are watching out for either. :P
I recommend wearing black jeans as that color doesn’t “print” as much as blue jeans. Having said that, no one has ever made me having the above set up on me whether I’ve got black or blue jeans on and that includes several LEO’s that I stand right next to and speak with from time to time.
Frankly, as someone who’s carried wearing an ankle holster for years on the job, I recommend against it. I could go on and on about why but, no need. I have no problem wearing a shoulder holster while on a bike assuming you know how to wear it and conceal it or with wearing an inside the waistband holster, again assuming you know who to wear it and conceal it. I generally just prefer the front pocket Mika Holster with a .38 for my in town rides or to the store.
On my rides beyond 100 mile radius or overnighters etc, I also pack a SIG 220 Equinox .45 with three clips on the bike. The SIG is my personal favorite SHTF weapon of choice and I have a lot of other SHTF pieces to choose from but I know that the SIG is the best and safest rod to pack and depend on.
My two cents and I know some will disagree with the above but I’m the new guy so give me a mulligan on this one.. :pineapple:
Post by: Biguglydude on April 28, 2008, 07:45:35 AM
Post by: miker on April 28, 2008, 07:59:13 AM
I'd like to strap a shotrgun on the bike for traffic issues though! ;)
Post by: Sean M Cary on April 29, 2008, 08:49:03 PM
Quote
I have no problem wearing a shoulder holster while on a bike assuming you know how to wear it and conceal it or with wearing an inside the waistband holster, again assuming you know who to wear it and conceal it.
After my first trip to Iraq in 05-06 I was so conditioned to wearing a shoulder holster that I had to get one at home...it wasn't really bad when I was in civvies, but when I was in uniform after coming home, all of a sudden I would realized I wasn't wearing my obligatory Galco Jackass - and I would freak out thinking I had left my pistol "somewhere"...
I have a Jackass for my Colt Commander, but never really use it...just too much of a PIA to be all covered up.
Sean
I am the tall one on the right...
Post by: 2PAK on April 29, 2008, 09:24:07 PM
Cool pic!!
Perhaps a S/W 642 .38 in a shoulder holster might work. It's higher up and smaller (less of a print). I've worn a set up like that under my uniform shirt (t-shirt>shoulder holster>uniform shirt) long ago in my past life when I refused to carry my second piece in an ankle holster. While it's not a fast draw, it's not like any of us are going to get in any shoot-outs while riding the bike and, its pretty easy to get to it if needed with some practice. Of couse in hot weather it's not fun which is why i prefer my front pocket. In cooler weather (like here in Seattle) it's not a problem. Cheers,
Marines 72-76
Post by: Air1 on April 29, 2008, 09:26:55 PM
Welcome 2pak..no mully needed...I am still looking for a new front pocket piece and have not found the new ruger lcp in 380...My kimber ucp 3" is just a little too heavy but a blast to shoot....
I'd like to strap a shotrgun on the bike for traffic issues though! ;)
Looking to fix some traffic problems in Delray, I'd start with a 20mm cannon?
I've been looking for the new ruger too.
Post by: Fired00d on April 29, 2008, 09:30:11 PM
Sean,Another "Jarhead". 6/75 - 6/78 here. :2vrolijk_21:
Cool pic!!
Perhaps a S/W 642 .38 in a shoulder holster might work. It's higher up and smaller (less of a print). I've worn a set up like that under my uniform shirt (t-shirt>shoulder holster>uniform shirt) long ago in my past life when I refused to carry my second piece in an ankle holster. While it's not a fast draw, it's not like any of us are going to get in any shoot-outs while riding the bike and, its pretty easy to get to it if needed with some practice. Of couse in hot weather it's not fun which is why i prefer my front pocket. In cooler weather (like here in Seattle) it's not a problem. Cheers,
Marines 72-76
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Capo on April 29, 2008, 11:00:42 PM
Sean,
Cool pic!!
Perhaps a S/W 642 .38 in a shoulder holster might work. It's higher up and smaller (less of a print). I've worn a set up like that under my uniform shirt (t-shirt>shoulder holster>uniform shirt) long ago in my past life when I refused to carry my second piece in an ankle holster. While it's not a fast draw, it's not like any of us are going to get in any shoot-outs while riding the bike and, its pretty easy to get to it if needed with some practice. Of couse in hot weather it's not fun which is why i prefer my front pocket. In cooler weather (like here in Seattle) it's not a problem. Cheers,
Marines 72-76
I have an old S&W model 66 that is exactly what you want or a Ruger Security 6 not mags but with the loads you can get today OTC they are close to the same kinetic energy at the end-couple with a JHP and BINGO! Still prefer my 40-Berreta for quick!
Post by: miker on April 30, 2008, 08:00:59 AM
Looking to fix some traffic problems in Delray, I'd start with a 20mm cannon?
I've been looking for the new ruger too.
If you find them Tom, buy 2!
Post by: mr_magoo on April 30, 2008, 09:18:06 AM
Post by: miker on April 30, 2008, 09:20:16 AM
Springfield XD40 subcompact with 2 extra clips. Good luck looking for the Ruger LCP I have heard that Kel tec is suing Ruger and all shipments have stopped figures I'm next on the list of folks wiating.
Really? Go figure...I heared no so good things about the KT..That is why I was looking for the rug...
I'll check out the Springxd40. Thanks
Post by: Air1 on April 30, 2008, 12:03:18 PM
The rug looks just like it and I heard they were a hot item, so the price was up if you can find one.
I'll talk with a KT dealer tomorrow night. ;)
Post by: Hoist! on April 30, 2008, 03:18:10 PM
Hoist! 8)
Post by: LRebel on April 30, 2008, 04:17:39 PM
Bikers were boycotting Ruger a few years ago. Don't know if their policies changed at all. Rugers are made in a no-helmet req'd state, but they refused their employees health insurance if the employee didn't wear a hemet. Don't know if that matters to anyone, or if things have subsequently changed, but their discriminastory policy turned off a lot of bikers from buying their guns. ;)
Hoist! 8)
Don't know for sure, but I would guess that the helmet requirement had more to do with the health insurance provider than Ruger.
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 01, 2008, 11:44:17 AM
Sean,
Cool pic!!
Perhaps a S/W 642 .38 in a shoulder holster might work. It's higher up and smaller (less of a print). I've worn a set up like that under my uniform shirt (t-shirt>shoulder holster>uniform shirt) long ago in my past life when I refused to carry my second piece in an ankle holster. While it's not a fast draw, it's not like any of us are going to get in any shoot-outs while riding the bike and, its pretty easy to get to it if needed with some practice. Of couse in hot weather it's not fun which is why i prefer my front pocket. In cooler weather (like here in Seattle) it's not a problem. Cheers,
Marines 72-76
Chucks good to go - funny all the "Chuck Norris Facts" you read in the Port O Crappers in and around Iraq... Chuck Norris doesn't get wet when he jumps in a lake, the lake gets Chuck Norris'd. Great guy and an "Honorary Marine".
I was looking at The Horse mag today and saw a link for Barney's Leathers.com that has a concealed leather vest that looks interesting...gonna check that out.
Sean
Post by: Hugh Janis on May 01, 2008, 11:54:05 AM
http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/
Post by: Keats on May 03, 2008, 03:20:10 PM
Some of you can identify with this more than other.......
Doctors vs. Gunowners
Doctors
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician 0.171
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services.
Now think about this:
Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
(Yes, that's 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188
Statistics courtesy of FBI
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, Doctors do.'
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Post by: Trapperdog on May 06, 2008, 07:12:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O14JsggUFI&feature=related
Post by: miker on May 06, 2008, 07:35:18 PM
Post by: miker on May 06, 2008, 07:36:13 PM
Post by: Hoist! on May 06, 2008, 07:57:51 PM
Ruger....Ruger... :o
Did Ruger require you to wear a helmet, even though it's not req'd by law in FL, before you bought it! ::)
Hoist! 8)
Post by: HogBreath on May 06, 2008, 09:19:57 PM
Post by: Hoist! on May 06, 2008, 10:13:20 PM
I live in Kentucky. I had a gun once.
Yeah, and then ya got a whole bunch more, huh! :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
Post by: spydglide on May 06, 2008, 10:34:21 PM
Did Ruger require you to wear a helmet, even though it's not req'd by law in FL, before you bought it! ::)Did they really get away with requiring all their employees to do that? Seems like that should have been 'challenged'. :o spyder
Hoist! 8)
Post by: Hoist! on May 06, 2008, 10:40:40 PM
Did they really get away with requiring all their employees to do that? Seems like that should have been 'challenged'. :o spyder
They were. The AMA even got involved. Don't know if there was a resolution or the outcome. I just remember reading all the outcries about their policy, and the subsequent boycotting campaign.
Hoist! 8)
Post by: AXIL on May 06, 2008, 10:56:50 PM
Post by: old wrench on May 07, 2008, 06:19:54 AM
Here is a girl that may need a doctor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O14JsggUFI&feature=related
If Ruger gets a look at this, they may require a full face helmet :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: poor girl
Post by: 07 CVO on May 07, 2008, 07:18:33 AM
If Ruger gets a look at this, they may require a full face helmet :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: poor girl
I bet that was her last time firing... :'(
Post by: ima29 on May 07, 2008, 09:31:25 AM
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 13, 2008, 06:48:40 AM
I thought chuck was in the air force. don't know just asking.
Dunno - but he is an "honorary Marine" now! :bananarock:
I guess he continues to get better :D
Sean
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 13, 2008, 09:03:40 PM
Here is a girl that may need a doctor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O14JsggUFI&feature=related
Holy Crap that was funny...
Back in the day I used to shoot on a team for my battalion in "The Division Matches", rifle and pistol, two week long affair, anyway, it was still the .45 in those days...and the armorers would file the sears down to make them pull lighter for the shooters, one handed stance shooting.
It was not uncommon to have a pistol go full auto for 7 rounds. One day it happened and the last round put a hole in the brim of the Marines cover. He was scared chitless, but managed to pull off a "hey that was cool" move and must have cleaned his shorts out of sight of the rest of us...he had the indentation of the sight in his forehead. ???
Sean
Post by: Lzyboy on May 13, 2008, 10:19:44 PM
Post by: Hoist! on May 13, 2008, 10:34:22 PM
Hoist! 8)
Post by: CVOJOE on May 14, 2008, 12:30:24 AM
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 14, 2008, 08:58:36 AM
Damn good thing she didn't bite her tongue off, would sorta handicap her sexually...... :bananarock: :huepfenjump3:
Not if she had her teeth knocked out also... :bananarock:
Sean
Post by: harleydawg57 on May 15, 2008, 02:41:53 PM
Post by: BigLew on May 15, 2008, 04:50:35 PM
Bike/Car the Glock 27 (40) The Glocks hold up to the heat / sweating / moisture very well.I love the P7M8, It is very accurate and a good size. Just bought a FN Five-SeveN and it is the coolest with 3 20 round clips and the hot rounds I'm having reloaded it would stop you! And its easy on the recoil.
for carrying it is usually the H&K P7M13 (9mm)
Post by: Pete7539 on May 15, 2008, 08:15:51 PM
I love the P7M8, It is very accurate and a good size. Just bought a FN Five-SeveN and it is the coolest with 3 20 round clips and the hot rounds I'm having reloaded it would stop you! And its easy on the recoil.
http://fnforum.net/index.php all the accessories for your new toy can be found here.
http://www.eliteammunition.com/index.htm very nice loads here. Have fun :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: 03glide120 on May 18, 2008, 06:12:31 PM
For the Wife S+W model 642 Airweight 1 7/8" barrel .38 spl+p added Crimson Trace LG-105 Laser grips
For my self S+W model 340pd Airlite pd 1 7/8" barrel .357 mag added Crimson Trace LG-405 Laser grips
Post by: 03glide120 on May 18, 2008, 06:25:43 PM
Post by: Coolbreeze on May 18, 2008, 08:31:46 PM
O ya our house was broken into 2 weeks a go while we were southern Indiana. 30,000. in guns and jewelry gone.
Ain't that just the $hit$... I felt raped for months after our house got looted the last time.... And I caught the little $hits 2 weeks after they hits.... (high school kids, looking for a thrill and some spending change...) I didn't get much of it back, but I got some satisfaction...
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 19, 2008, 06:02:21 AM
O ya our house was broken into 2 weeks a go while we were southern Indiana. 30,000. in guns and jewelry gone.
Gun Safe?
That was one of the first things I did when I had my first kid - I had a "mishap" when I was a kid with a .45 my dad left lying around loaded with a 3rd grader in the house (oddly I own it now - Remington Rand 1911 he took home from Vietnam). Vowed never to let that happen to my kids.
Fireproof etc - and we have an alarm, and a large Labrador also. A few layers of defense, at least it might make it not worth a crooks time. Should they break in while I am home, they are f'd.
Sorry you had that happen to you!
Sean
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 22, 2008, 04:13:16 PM
Ruger LCP (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Pistol&subtype=Centerfire%20Autoloading&famlst=64)
Sean
Post by: Keats on June 22, 2008, 04:16:37 PM
New toy - gonna see if they can order it for me at the PX... :bananarock: :bananarock:
Ruger LCP (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Pistol&subtype=Centerfire%20Autoloading&famlst=64)
Sean
Nice looking carry piece.....if it is more reliable than a Wather PPK I might get one.....I wonder how much?
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 22, 2008, 04:17:59 PM
Nice looking carry piece.....if it is more reliable than a Wather PPK I might get one.....I wonder how much?
It's a Ruger, swear by their other products.
$335!!
Sean
Post by: BIGDOG on June 22, 2008, 05:07:43 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 22, 2008, 05:10:38 PM
Why a simi auto, a double action revolver works with one hand. Just wondering. :confused5:
So does this, its DA only... Smoother then a wheel gun and easier to reload - should you ever need to.
Sean
Post by: Keats on June 22, 2008, 05:37:02 PM
Why a simi auto, a double action revolver works with one hand. Just wondering. :confused5:
slimmer profile......6 + 1 rounds vs 6 and slam anther clip in....done
Post by: Capo on June 22, 2008, 05:54:45 PM
Why a simi auto, a double action revolver works with one hand. Just wondering. :confused5:Way more than 6 shots and reloads faster!
Post by: SPIDERMAN on June 22, 2008, 05:57:52 PM
Why are you guys saying whether you do or you don't
I mean isn't that the whole idea of " concealed"
B B
Post by: BIGDOG on June 22, 2008, 06:22:22 PM
So does this, its DA only... Smoother then a wheel gun and easier to reload - should you ever need to.Answered my question thanks. As for reload Not an issue!!!
Sean
Post by: elvislee on June 22, 2008, 07:29:34 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on June 22, 2008, 08:42:12 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 22, 2008, 08:45:39 PM
I think I asked this question about 30 pages of posts ago
Why are you guys saying whether you do or you don't
I mean isn't that the whole idea of " concealed"
B B
Cause now you will never know if we are - or aren't...
Would you be willing to take that chance if you were a bad guy? That's why I never like to use a butt pack to carry, they are like a big "Shoot Me First" sign. (Like being 6'6" with a high and tight and a USMC t-shirt wouldn't do the same - but not much I can change there other then the T-shirt :nixweiss:).
Sean
Post by: SPIDERMAN on June 22, 2008, 09:38:09 PM
Cause now you will never know if we are - or aren't...
Would you be willing to take that chance if you were a bad guy? That's why I never like to use a butt pack to carry, they are like a big "Shoot Me First" sign. (Like being 6'6" with a high and tight and a USMC t-shirt wouldn't do the same - but not much I can change there other then the T-shirt :nixweiss:).
Sean
ummmm errrrrr ahhhhhhhhh Sean, isn't your post what I'm saying in my post ?
I don't mind BSin and agreeing to disagree, but we're agreeing too agree on this one I think :nixweiss:
B B
Post by: Coolbreeze on June 22, 2008, 11:38:31 PM
I can answer your question. Because if all of us agreed to carry, and agreed to admit that we carry, at all times... The bad kids would have to find a different playground to play on. And none of them know what we look like, so now they would have to shoot ALL of us first.... THAT puts them in a bad position. And I like it when they sweat!
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 23, 2008, 06:22:01 AM
ummmm errrrrr ahhhhhhhhh Sean, isn't your post what I'm saying in my post ?
I don't mind BSin and agreeing to disagree, but we're agreeing too agree on this one I think :nixweiss:
B B
crap, you mean we agree? :oops:
Oh well.
Sean
Post by: Capo on June 23, 2008, 08:55:06 AM
crap, you mean we agree? :oops:
Oh well.
Sean
Wow now that's scary!
Post by: miker on June 23, 2008, 10:18:32 AM
New toy - gonna see if they can order it for me at the PX... :bananarock: :bananarock:
Ruger LCP (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Pistol&subtype=Centerfire%20Autoloading&famlst=64)
Sean
I have one....the teets....and tiny...90 gr corbon gonna sting and can carry mexi! Woowoo! I am still waiting on a mag extension for one more finger, it barks a little....Still love my Kimber after 10k rounds though.
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 23, 2008, 11:08:44 AM
I have one....the teets....and tiny...90 gr corbon gonna sting and can carry mexi! Woowoo! I am still waiting on a mag extension for one more finger, it barks a little....Still love my Kimber after 10k rounds though.
Had to kill time this morning before my pistol range class ( :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: GET PAID!!! to Shoot T-Th and I get PAID to RIDE Friday! :bananarock: :bananarock:) and they will order it for me at the PX - $277!
Sean
Post by: Hugh Janis on June 23, 2008, 11:12:03 AM
Had to kill time this morning before my pistol range class ( :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: GET PAID!!! to Shoot T-Th and I get PAID to RIDE Friday! :bananarock: :bananarock:) and they will order it for me at the PX - $277!
Sean
Life is good!
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 23, 2008, 11:14:22 AM
Life is good!
Hell yeah, shootin and ridin all in one week? Only thing better is that we are riding to a BATTLESHIP!! The North Carolina in Wilmington - get to see the guns that can fling projectiles that weigh as much as Volkswagens 20 miles!! :orange:
Post by: miker on June 23, 2008, 11:20:13 AM
VW's chucked 20 miles?? Now that a gun mate! :orange:
Post by: spydglide on June 23, 2008, 04:27:43 PM
a BATTLESHIP!! The North Carolina in Wilmington - get to see the guns that can fling projectiles that weigh as much as Volkswagens 20 miles!! :orange:Oh yesssssss. I still remember the woo-woo-wwooo sound they made as the New Jersey chunked 'um over us on the So. China Sea beach inland........then you'd just feel the ground tremble as they impacted. Impressive. ;) har! spyder
Post by: Coolbreeze on June 23, 2008, 08:36:08 PM
Had to kill time this morning before my pistol range class ( :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: GET PAID!!! to Shoot T-Th and I get PAID to RIDE Friday! :bananarock: :bananarock:) and they will order it for me at the PX - $277!
Sean
I didn't know we could order gun throught eh PX! How do I do that!? uhh... you might want to send me a pm.... dumb ass retired guy that I am.... :coolblue:
Post by: elvislee on June 23, 2008, 10:10:37 PM
I didn't know we could order gun through eh PX! How do I do that!? uhh... you might want to send me a pm.... dumb ass retired guy that I am.... :coolblue:
Me too! I never thought about the PX. I haven't been in one but once since I retired. The closest base to me is a Coast Guard Base, then Pensacola Naval Air Station and Keesler AFB. Thanks for that post Coolbreeze, I might would never thunk the PX purchase thing; I might be able to find a Glock through the PX a little cheaper :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: elvislee on June 23, 2008, 10:24:19 PM
No more than you'll get from the muzzle flash in low lighting with a non-c model. Tritium sights are very bright and you shouldn't have any problem with a followup shot, but Lasermax is an excellent low light laser system that replaces the recoil spring on the Glock with an ambidextrous on off switch that replaces the takedown lever. There are several sites that have them for under $300. Lasermax also now has a green daytime laser setup that mounts to the rail system on the frame, nothing internal yet. As for the gun, they're failsafe and idiot proof and have been tested 10,000 rounds with no cleaning and no malfunction.
Thanks Pete...Hey when I think about it, may not have time to aim any damn way. Just point in that direction and the rapid fire is on :2vrolijk_21: Seriously though; just looking for something auto, light, and small. Thinking along the line of a Glock 26, 6.2" length (slide), 4.1" Height, 12 rd mag and 9mm. I was thinking compensated just for less recoil and maybe that xtra split sec advantage one might get for all shots after the first...but hey...what the hell do I know?...Don't anyone answer that ;D
Post by: Unbalanced on June 23, 2008, 10:32:32 PM
Thanks Pete...Hey when I think about it, may not have time to aim any damn way. Just point in that direction and the rapid fire is on :2vrolijk_21: Seriously though; just looking for something auto, light, and small. Thinking along the line of a Glock 26, 6.2" length (slide), 4.1" Height, 12 rd mag and 9mm. I was thinking compensated just for less recoil and maybe that xtra split sec advantage one might get for all shots after the first...but hey...what the hell do I know?...Don't anyone answer that ;D
Elvislee,
Have you considered the 27 over the 26 for the stopping power of the 40 over the 9mm?
http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm (http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm)
http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/40/27/index.htm (http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/40/27/index.htm)
There is a 1 shot difference and 4 gram weight difference of the magazine.
Post by: elvislee on June 24, 2008, 12:13:38 AM
Elvislee,
Have you considered the 27 over the 26 for the stopping power of the 40 over the 9mm?
http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm (http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm)
http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/40/27/index.htm (http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/40/27/index.htm)
There is a 1 shot difference and 4 gram weight difference of the magazine.
Hey Unbalanced...Thanks for the links...very interesting thought on the model 27. Will keep this info under the chrome dome...Thanks
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 24, 2008, 06:17:14 AM
Me too! I never thought about the PX. I haven't been in one but once since I retired. The closest base to me is a Coast Guard Base, then Pensacola Naval Air Station and Keesler AFB. Thanks for that post Coolbreeze, I might would never thunk the PX purchase thing; I might be able to find a Glock through the PX a little cheaper :2vrolijk_21:I've only seen gun depts at Marine Corps Exchange... They have Glocks here at Lejeune - most sizes from what I recall.
Sean
Post by: BLM777 on June 24, 2008, 09:03:25 AM
Me too! I never thought about the PX. I haven't been in one but once since I retired. The closest base to me is a Coast Guard Base, then Pensacola Naval Air Station and Keesler AFB. Thanks for that post Coolbreeze, I might would never thunk the PX purchase thing; I might be able to find a Glock through the PX a little cheaper :2vrolijk_21:
Might want to check the PX @ Keesler AFB. Been a few years since I was there, but they used to order whatever you wanted. Have you looked at the Glock 36 in .45? I've shot the 26 and 27 and found them to be difficult to grip, especially on the second round of a double-tap. The 36 has the slightly longer and thinner grip. If you get up to N AL before you buy one, PM me and put a 100 or so rounds thru one of mine.
Post by: Pete7539 on June 24, 2008, 11:58:10 AM
Post by: cuthbertss on June 24, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
Someone clue me into the ordering a gun from the PX thing?
i am stoopid and have no ideer how to do it
Post by: BLM777 on June 24, 2008, 12:53:50 PM
dealer im Denver will sell Glocks for a smoking price to Soldiers..... i just found this out.... of course I already own 4 of em..lol
Someone clue me into the ordering a gun from the PX thing?
i am stoopid and have no ideer how to do it
Might check with Sean, but I recall that most of the Marine Corp bases have guns in stock, but the other PX's usually have a service to order them at the reduced prices. I think it would be an individual base deal. To purchase them you would have to be active or retired military or hold credentials from a G agency as an 1811 series criminal investigator with a GS ranking of GS14 or higher. The savings are usually substantial
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 24, 2008, 01:18:52 PM
dealer im Denver will sell Glocks for a smoking price to Soldiers..... i just found this out.... of course I already own 4 of em..lol
Someone clue me into the ordering a gun from the PX thing?
i am stoopid and have no ideer how to do it
MCX stocks a range of weapons - but I WAS going to order the Ruger LCP. Got a call this morning from the head of the Outdoor Depart at the MCX, they have a restriction on barrel size, 3.5" or larger...LCP doesn't make the mark.
Oh well.
Sean
Post by: spydglide on June 24, 2008, 01:44:41 PM
MCX stocks a range of weapons - but I WAS going to order the Ruger LCP. Got a call this morning from the head of the Outdoor Depart at the MCX, they have a restriction on barrel size, 3.5" or larger...LCP doesn't make the mark.No 'deep concealable' pea-shooters, huh? ::) har! spyder
Oh well.
Sean
Post by: TN on June 24, 2008, 04:16:27 PM
TN
Post by: elvislee on June 24, 2008, 04:28:46 PM
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:
TN
errrrrrrrrrrr....... :o......uuuuuuuummmmmmmmmm.....NO THANKS!...Maybe somebody else wants to play ;D
Post by: BLM777 on June 24, 2008, 04:39:35 PM
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:
TN
Nope....been there and done that with one of the early prototypes. Drew the short straw for a test dummy. It will knock you on your a$$!
Post by: SPIDERMAN on June 24, 2008, 06:50:29 PM
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:
TN
I've been reading about the huge surge in sales of these. It's gonna get to the point where you'll be walking along a sidewalk and there will be two people lying on the ground shakin with neither able to turn off the juice because they other guys probes are juicin them.
B B
Post by: cuthbertss on June 24, 2008, 07:11:13 PM
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:
TN
Uh yea..... did you really buy that thing or a C2?
I just got home from the TASER Master Instructor Course.... much fun.... those of you who might be familiar with Hans M will understand why
the C2 IMHO is a fabulous tool for wifes GFs etc...one of my partners from Taser carries one in his windshield bag on the scoot...
it is designed to deploy the probes and run for 30 seconds whilst you "leave" the area
played with one yesterday
wow
http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx
Post by: cuthbertss on June 24, 2008, 07:12:23 PM
I've been reading about the huge surge in sales of these. It's gonna get to the point where you'll be walking along a sidewalk and there will be two people lying on the ground shakin with neither able to turn off the juice because they other guys probes are juicin them.
B B
this happened very recently as a matter of fact
lol
argument over a parking spot
Post by: cuthbertss on June 24, 2008, 07:14:15 PM
Nope....been there and done that with one of the early prototypes. Drew the short straw for a test dummy. It will knock you on your a$$!
the M26 hurt a FKload more than the X26...... the civ C2 thing will woop the chit out of you for a long time
the new 12 ga delivered one is even more special
Post by: TN on June 25, 2008, 09:02:12 AM
Uh yea..... did you really buy that thing or a C2?
I just got home from the TASER Master Instructor Course.... much fun.... those of you who might be familiar with Hans M will understand why
the C2 IMHO is a fabulous tool for wifes GFs etc...one of my partners from Taser carries one in his windshield bag on the scoot...
it is designed to deploy the probes and run for 30 seconds whilst you "leave" the area
played with one yesterday
wow
http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx
funny cause i got that one for my wife, same color and everything. and yes i bought the one in the pic. :nixweiss:
sometimes it seems like the thing to do. i know nuthing,nuthing.
went in my the local gunshop to have tritium sights put on my glock and walked out with an armful. :2vrolijk_21:
TN
Post by: VANAMAL on June 25, 2008, 09:56:35 AM
Might want to check the PX @ Keesler AFB. Been a few years since I was there, but they used to order whatever you wanted. Have you looked at the Glock 36 in .45? I've shot the 26 and 27 and found them to be difficult to grip, especially on the second round of a double-tap. The 36 has the slightly longer and thinner grip. If you get up to N AL before you buy one, PM me and put a 100 or so rounds thru one of mine.i have a magazine extension on my 27 and it makes it easy to grip :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: naitram on June 25, 2008, 10:06:44 AM
i have a magazine extension on my 27 and it makes it easy to grip :2vrolijk_21:
i have one clip with and one without the extension. it helped having it until i was comfortable with the size of the 27. after that i found i didnt need it
Post by: BLM777 on June 25, 2008, 06:57:13 PM
i have a magazine extension on my 27 and it makes it easy to grip :2vrolijk_21:
Extensions do work well....I just can't use the profile they create the way I carry...
Post by: TN on June 26, 2008, 03:13:37 PM
http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx
i had a nightmare where i woke up with probes in my arse and her finger on the trigger. :nervous: :nervous:
a vulnerable position. :huepfenlol2:
TN
edit: with the clean life i live i have nothing to worry about...do i?.... :innocent: :innocent:
Post by: Pete7539 on July 07, 2008, 12:14:44 PM
Post by: miker on July 07, 2008, 12:16:53 PM
Post by: LRebel on July 07, 2008, 12:24:08 PM
Oldest addition to the toybox-Harston & Knox .31 caliber pepperbox 1854
Very Nice!
Post by: Pete7539 on July 07, 2008, 12:36:34 PM
Post by: LRebel on July 07, 2008, 12:39:33 PM
Thanks, mother-in-law gave it to me. Wasn't working, but I took it apart and the cam by the trigger was out of alignment. Put it back together and now trigger functions and barrel rotates with each pull :2vrolijk_21:
Pretty nice gift!
Post by: bsquared62 on October 14, 2008, 06:20:11 PM
I do not plan to carry at first, until I feel comfortable around the weapons AND I am convinced I would use it appropriately. The stories in this thread about using it if you draw it and shooting to kill and dead men don't tell lies, etc. scare the living crap out of me right now. I think one person said "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6" - I don't know - I may rather be dead than in jail...that seems worse than death. Anyway, I think I will come around, but I just need to be more comfortable with them than I am now.
Ruger P95 9mm
S&W 22 Target
Bersa Thunder 380 (for carry, this is an excellent choice...)
Brad
Post by: BalDeagle on October 14, 2008, 06:46:13 PM
Beam me up Scotty!
Nige
Post by: MontyB on October 14, 2008, 08:12:43 PM
FYI here is a decent summary of carry laws including a section on travel.
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=59
Some states are a real PIA so plan accordingly. That we feel its unfair or unconstitutional will probably not impress the local sheriff if stopped.
Cheers!
Post by: miker on October 14, 2008, 09:58:27 PM
Post by: cuthbertss on October 14, 2008, 10:13:15 PM
My lil ruger lcp is the best carry I had yet even though it is only .380 and beat to practice with...
damn nice little toy for carrying on the scoot ..no question
Post by: miker on October 15, 2008, 08:42:07 AM
It is kinda of snappy with the corbons in it. Ball shoots ok but it is no fun to practice with.
I did not go to the gun show last week, the 1st step to recovery! But I do need a new wheel, something nice ...44 ss 6inch S&W??
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 15, 2008, 09:18:16 AM
Post by: REGGAB on October 15, 2008, 08:51:52 PM
Post by: REGGAB on October 15, 2008, 08:55:31 PM
Yep, I carry. XD-40 service...Never travel with out it.
Got one of those, but it is a compact. Renea has an XD-9 compact. Springfield Armory is spot-on with the entire XD line. I like it better than my H&K USP, and Renea likes her XD-9 better than her Glock 19.
Post by: SBB on October 15, 2008, 09:01:44 PM
Does anyone have experience with a SIG SAUER P229 DAK chambered in .40 S&W? I'm interested in range endurance and accuracy after 100 rounds at at 6.5 lb. trigger pull. Thx.
I carry one in 357 Sig!
:2vrolijk_21:
Post by: REGGAB on October 15, 2008, 09:23:49 PM
I carry one in 357 Sig!
:2vrolijk_21:
Chip,
Does the double action affect your accuracy after firing numerous rounds? In other words, how does the 6.5 lb. trigger pull wear on you after, say, three magazines of ammo?
Thanks for your input.
Post by: SBB on October 15, 2008, 09:47:31 PM
Chip,
Does the double action affect your accuracy after firing numerous rounds? In other words, how does the 6.5 lb. trigger pull wear on you after, say, three magazines of ammo?
Thanks for your input.
Actually Henry it does wear on me.
But the reality is that in a situation that requires more than one clip I'm sure that trigger wear will be the least of my concern.
In target practice I knock out ten then start over.
:2vrolijk_21:
Post by: REGGAB on October 15, 2008, 09:51:34 PM
Actually Henry it does wear on me.
But the reality is that in a situation that requires more than one clip I'm sure that trigger wear will be the least of my concern.
In target practice I knock out ten then start over.
:2vrolijk_21:
Just what I was looking for. Thanks much, Chip. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: SBB on October 15, 2008, 09:57:01 PM
Just what I was looking for. Thanks much, Chip. :2vrolijk_21:
Henry
I'm not the sharpest shooter on the range.
The quality of my Sig and my practice with it certainly gives me confidence to use it effectively should that need arise!
Post by: REGGAB on October 15, 2008, 10:10:38 PM
Henry
I'm not the sharpest shooter on the range.
The quality of my Sig and my practice with it certainly gives me confidence to use it effectively should that need arise!
That, and the whole safety/auto de-cock feature provided by the DAK. I really like my H&K and my XD-40, BUT, if I ever have to REALLY use either, my worst fear is an inadvertant, adrenaline fueled discharge into my torso or leg upon reholster. :nervous:
Post by: cuthbertss on October 15, 2008, 10:59:40 PM
That, and the whole safety/auto de-cock feature provided by the DAK. I really like my H&K and my XD-40, BUT, if I ever have to REALLY use either, my worst fear is an inadvertant, adrenaline fueled discharge into my torso or leg upon reholster. :nervous:
practice that
repetition will come into play when needed
Post by: RJ749 on October 15, 2008, 11:18:25 PM
Allegedly, some people carry a 5 shot featherweight .38 S&W with a laser grip sight. Allegedly.
If someone did have one of those for a carry, it would be a good choice and easy to pull
out of a pocket (or not). :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: SPIDERMAN on October 16, 2008, 02:41:52 PM
B B
Post by: miker on October 16, 2008, 02:43:46 PM
Post by: SPIDERMAN on October 16, 2008, 03:04:01 PM
The judge?
I WANTEE !
HOW MUCHEE ?
B B
Post by: RJ749 on October 16, 2008, 04:02:20 PM
I WANTEE !
HOW MUCHEE ?
B B
I think the MSRP I saw was in the low $500 range. You should be able to get one for a bit less.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-ZIo-Wztc
Post by: SPIDERMAN on October 16, 2008, 04:21:23 PM
I think the MSRP I saw was in the low $500 range. You should be able to get one for a bit less.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-ZIo-Wztc
Ha I think I'll buy two load em up with birdshot and walk around the Maine woods huntin Partridge, Woodcock, Pheasant and Quail like a two fisted Dirty Harry
B B
Post by: Twolanerider on October 16, 2008, 04:24:15 PM
Ha I think I'll buy two load em up with birdshot and walk around the Maine woods huntin Partridge, Woodcock, Pheasant and Quail like a two fisted Dirty Harry
B B
:worthless: :worthless:
Post by: miker on October 16, 2008, 04:26:20 PM
Post by: RJ749 on October 16, 2008, 04:26:44 PM
:worthless: :worthless:
Post by: Pete7539 on October 16, 2008, 04:43:35 PM
That, and the whole safety/auto de-cock feature provided by the DAK. I really like my H&K and my XD-40, BUT, if I ever have to REALLY use either, my worst fear is an inadvertant, adrenaline fueled discharge into my torso or leg upon reholster. :nervous:
Practice drawing and holstering with TF outta TG (Trigger Finger/Trigger Guard). Keep your index finger straight out alongside the slide, only putting it on the trigger when you've aquired your intended target. Making a habit of this will help prevent accidental discharge.
http://www.break.com/index/copshootsleg.html
Post by: icybay on October 16, 2008, 04:49:20 PM
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on October 16, 2008, 05:43:04 PM
Post by: MontyB on November 03, 2008, 07:43:56 PM
I WANTEE !
HOW MUCHEE ?
B B
I am not affilliated with this gun shop. I have purchased several gunds from them and been very satisfied with price and service. If you do not have a FFL, you will need to find a local dealer that will accept a shipment. My local shop handles the paperwork for $35.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=taurus+judge
cheers!
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 03, 2008, 08:10:00 PM
Got one of those, but it is a compact. Renea has an XD-9 compact. Springfield Armory is spot-on with the entire XD line. I like it better than my H&K USP, and Renea likes her XD-9 better than her Glock 19.
I have been thinking about getting another in the 40 compact. How do you like it? I figure the little bit smaller size would make carry easier.
Post by: arcticdude on November 03, 2008, 09:09:26 PM
Post by: mr_magoo on November 03, 2008, 09:13:40 PM
Post by: cuttinhorse on November 04, 2008, 07:23:11 AM
.30/.30 and 16g in the truck
Post by: MikeD on November 04, 2008, 06:07:30 PM
Post by: Coolbreeze on November 05, 2008, 11:33:59 AM
Going to start carrying the Glock 23 and the 38 S & W airweight daily.
Everyone should carry daily. one will do, two is better, but all should carry. It makes for a much more polite society....
Post by: spydglide on November 05, 2008, 12:30:26 PM
Everyone should carry daily. one will do, two is better, but all should carry. It makes for a much more polite society....yes. Col. Colt was correct. ;) har! spyder
Post by: CVOwner on November 05, 2008, 06:47:02 PM
Post by: MJZ on November 05, 2008, 07:35:29 PM
Post by: REGGAB on November 05, 2008, 07:55:47 PM
Me, .40 Springfield Armory XD. The wife .38 Colt revolver.
I have an XD-40. Renea has an XD-9. Springfield makes some fine weaponry. Gotta closet full of ammo too. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: MJZ on November 05, 2008, 08:52:16 PM
Strange thing is all the business is in handguns, 12 ga. 18" home protection pumps, AK-47's and AR-15's. This is the start of hunting season here and 99% of his business for the last 20 years has been in hunting shotguns and deer rifles.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist (or a MoCo engineer) to figure this out.
Post by: REGGAB on November 05, 2008, 09:42:48 PM
Post by: SBB on November 05, 2008, 09:49:00 PM
Yeah. I carry.......tote......pack.......whatever you want to call it. 'Nuff said.
I believe in love and piece.
My piece of choice is a Sig 229 in 357Sig.
It's a much better gun than I am a shooter, but my aim is improving.
I share the love with Nancy, all others get the piece.
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: REGGAB on November 05, 2008, 09:51:32 PM
I believe in love and piece.:2vrolijk_21:
My piece of choice is a Sig 229 in 357Sig.
It's a much better gun than I am a shooter, but my aim is improving.
I share the love with Nancy, all others get the piece.
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: CVOJOE on November 05, 2008, 10:13:39 PM
Post by: CVOJOE on November 05, 2008, 10:15:29 PM
Post by: REGGAB on November 05, 2008, 10:16:35 PM
Saddlebag buddy changes over time, but current is from the S&W .44 Mag family. Probably go to smaller size wise in .40 cal this next year and attach Brutus here to the front door bell button. :huepfenjump3:
Good idea. Don't forget the speedloaders..........lots of speedloaders..........and some extra magazines for the .40 S&W in your saddlebag. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: SPIDERMAN on November 05, 2008, 10:40:55 PM
Saddlebag buddy changes over time, but current is from the S&W .44 Mag family. Probably go to smaller size wise in .40 cal this next year and attach Brutus here to the front door bell button. :huepfenjump3:
Joe,
even though you're sporting a professional manicure on your fingernails (with clear nail polish) , you're no sissy
B B
Post by: RJ749 on November 06, 2008, 03:04:47 AM
When I was at my local small gun shop yesterday, the shop was full and the owner was selling everything as fast as he could ring it up. He told me he was on the phone reordering several times a day. He said it had been that way for the last month.
Strange thing is all the business is in handguns, 12 ga. 18" home protection pumps, AK-47's and AR-15's. This is the start of hunting season here and 99% of his business for the last 20 years has been in hunting shotguns and deer rifles.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist (or a MoCo engineer) to figure this out.
Got an email from a good buddy this AM asking what to pick up in the way of his first hand gun. He was going to get one just because he still can.
He got a 22 semi of some kind and a Glock 9mm, said they had so many great guns he'll go back after he picks these two up and shoots them awhile. I queried him on the models but he wasn't sure.
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 08:23:37 AM
Good idea. Don't forget the speedloaders..........lots of speedloaders..........and some extra magazines for the .40 S&W in your saddlebag. :2vrolijk_21:
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week...
No Chit.
Post by: Keats on November 06, 2008, 08:29:57 AM
I walked out with a Kel-Tech 380. , great little piece (compact) (looks like a plastic piece of chit)
but it is reliable and I can completely conceal with no effort. (my 44 mag 8 3/8 Ruger was very hard to conceal)
S&W 586 357 6" revolver to big
S&W 686 357 4" revolver to big
Colt Trooper to big
Para Ordinance 45 to heavy
HK 40 compact still to big
Kel-Tech 380 (PoS) perfect
Post by: BLM777 on November 06, 2008, 08:31:56 AM
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week...
No Chit.
Cabela's annual ammo sale starts about the 15th of the month. Case prices on .223 much lower than can be found most anywhere including distributor cost to FFL dealers. They are USA manufactured by Ultramax in South Dakota, new brass and Nosler ballistic tip bullets. Bought 3k rounds last year and will order 6k this year.
Post by: Keats on November 06, 2008, 08:37:46 AM
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week...What.......
No Chit.
No PDW in the arsenal?
surely a M4?
A Barrett M95?
question...can a civilian actually legally buy a PDW? with a FFL?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 09:13:05 AM
What.......
No PDW in the arsenal?
surely a M4?
A Barrett M95?
question...can a civilian actually legally buy a PDW? with a FFL?
got an M4 upper coming from Del-ton (and an A2) - have two lowers (stripped) going to build my own black rifles this time.
No .50 - almost got a Desert Eagle in .50...but no Barretts.
The folks with the most guns win...you wait and see.
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 09:14:30 AM
I was having a problem carrying various guns due to their size, so I went to the local shop with the intent to pick up a reliable carry piece. (I already have a compact HK .40 and a Para .45)
I walked out with a Kel Tec 380. , great little piece (compact) (looks like a plastic piece of chit)
but it is reliable and I can completely conceal with no effort. (my 44 mag 8 3/8 Ruger was very hard to conceal)
S&W 586 357 6" revolver to big
S&W 686 357 4" revolver to big
Colt Trooper to big
Para Ordinance 45 to heavy
HK 40 compact still to big
Keltec 380 (PoS) perfect
Had a Kel-Tech stolen from my truck 10 years ago...decent little .380. Grabbed the web of my thumb every so often - that HURTS.
Post by: Keats on November 06, 2008, 09:26:00 AM
Had a Kel-Tech stolen from my truck 10 years ago...decent little .380. Grabbed the web of my thumb every so often - that HURTS.I am sure that will happen with my big mitts also (webbing getting caught under the slide), but I do not shoot that gun real often. My Para made me bleed getting the web caught under the hammer. The gun that really punished me was my Ruger 44 mag with scope 2x, I would target shoot with 44 mags (yes I know this is dumb and expensive) and after 20 rounds my middle finger under the trigger guard start bleeding and hurting like I had been hitting it with a hammer (in reality, I was).
I just figured with the weight of that gun the recoil would be less. (oh no!)
Now I just use 44 specials if I plan to shoot more than 10 rounds (not the same trajectory though).
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 09:40:39 AM
Post by: Dash Riprock on November 06, 2008, 09:51:59 AM
Post by: BLM777 on November 06, 2008, 10:39:31 AM
got an M4 upper coming from Del-ton (and an A2) - have two lowers (stripped) going to build my own black rifles this time.
No .50 - almost got a Desert Eagle in .50...but no Barretts.
The folks with the most guns win...you wait and see.
Partial to those black rifles myself. If it's bigger than a grapefruit and within 1000 yards, I own it.
Post by: MJZ on November 06, 2008, 10:48:01 AM
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week...
No Chit.
What are they going for down there? I paid $249.00 for Wolf 124 Gr. this week.
Post by: RJ749 on November 06, 2008, 10:55:40 AM
got an M4 upper coming from Del-ton (and an A2) - have two lowers (stripped) going to build my own black rifles this time.
No .50 - almost got a Desert Eagle in .50...but no Barretts.
The folks with the most guns win...you wait and see.
OK, I'll play...............yes to the D E 50 and a SW 500 shown center
Post by: RJ749 on November 06, 2008, 10:59:13 AM
Some 'dirtbag' in Polk County Florida who got pulled over in a routine traffic stop ended up 'executing' the deputy who stopped him.
& nbsp;
The deputy was shot eight times, including once behind his right ear at close range. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog killed.
A statewide manhunt ensued.
The low- life was found hiding in a wooded area with his gun and fired first . SWAT team officers fired and hit the guy 68 times.
Now here's the kicker: Naturally, the media screamed foul and asked why they shot him 68 times.
Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, told the Orlando Sentinel: 'That's all the bullets we had!'
(Talk about a classic answer! !!)
http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 11:08:35 AM
What are they going for down there? I paid $249.00 for Wolf 124 Gr. this week.
Cabela's - 124.99/250 for Black Hills reman .223 and 119.99 for 500 7.62 (and free shipping until the 10th).
Wolf voids the warranty on my Del-ton uppers, any steel case does...harsh stuff that steel case ammo IMHO.
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 11:09:46 AM
Partial to those black rifles myself. If it's bigger than a grapefruit and within 1000 yards, I own it.
mine have Stoner lineage...
Post by: MJZ on November 06, 2008, 11:13:28 AM
Cabela's - 124.99/250 for Black Hills reman .223 and 119.99 for 500 7.62 (and free shipping until the 10th).
Wolf voids the warranty on my Del-ton uppers, any steel case does...harsh stuff that steel case ammo IMHO.
Don't have to worry about that, Romania doesn't honor any warranties. ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 11:14:39 AM
Don't have to worry about that, Romania doesn't honor any warranties. ;D ;D ;D
I have a Norinco MAC-90...and will hammer steel through it, but not the AR's...forged metal vs stamped stuff in the AK's.
Post by: BLM777 on November 06, 2008, 11:16:36 AM
mine have Stoner lineage...
Built several pieces on the Stoner 63 system. Good stuff and far superior to the currently available outsource components.
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 11:39:22 AM
Post by: 16HD117 on November 06, 2008, 11:55:35 AM
I found the wolf sticky and dirty...Cheap in more ways than one..imho of course cause I don't know squat.
If not Wolf, what brand of ammo do you guys recommend when U just want to burn powder (a lot of powder)???
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 12:15:00 PM
Post by: BLM777 on November 06, 2008, 12:20:15 PM
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 12:30:44 PM
Good but oftern out of stock on what I want.
Post by: AZSSE on November 06, 2008, 12:45:00 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 12:48:36 PM
If not Wolf, what brand of ammo do you guys recommend when U just want to burn powder (a lot of powder)???
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
I am getting ready to dig us deeper in debt with a Dillon 550...my wife is awesome.
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 12:54:03 PM
I am getting ready to dig us deeper in debt with a Dillon 550...my wife is awesome.
I'll say! Strike while the iron is hot! Kimber?
Post by: BLM777 on November 06, 2008, 12:57:21 PM
I am getting ready to dig us deeper in debt with a Dillon 550...my wife is awesome.
Excellent press. My .45 ammo figures out to about 6 cents a round using top of the line components.
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 12:57:59 PM
I'll say! Strike while the iron is hot! Kimber?would be cheaper without the impending 500% tax increase...
I guess I am lucky, no taxes on base, but the gun shop is within 5 miles of a school.
wait and see - I am buying the stuff I know was on the '94 ban, and fear that will quickly be put back into play
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 01:44:09 PM
would be cheaper without the impending 500% tax increase...
I guess I am lucky, no taxes on base, but the gun shop is within 5 miles of a school.
wait and see - I am buying the stuff I know was on the '94 ban, and fear that will quickly be put back into play
Gawd, I just had a hoorible flash..
Whaddya think is gonna happen to cigar taxes! Yikes...I knew I should have just lined the room!
Post by: REGGAB on November 06, 2008, 08:01:19 PM
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week...
No Chit.
Great Stuff.
Post by: Pete7539 on November 07, 2008, 07:28:41 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 07, 2008, 07:30:26 PM
All the newer Bushmaster ARs recommend Wolf, go figure?
weird...all I have read about steel casings is about it rattling around in the chamber and causing excessive carbon blow back.
Post by: Pete7539 on November 08, 2008, 07:28:52 PM
http://www.thegunsource.com/item/85671_Adams_Arms_AR15_Gas_Piston_System.aspx?NID=167
Very cool system
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 08, 2008, 10:36:38 PM
FL Marine, if you're gonna build a black gun you might be interested in this
http://www.thegunsource.com/item/85671_Adams_Arms_AR15_Gas_Piston_System.aspx?NID=167
Very cool system
Interesting...the gas system on the M16's has always been an issue with carbon build up.
Thanks
Sean
Post by: miker on November 08, 2008, 11:30:14 PM
Interesting...the gas system on the M16's has always been an issue with carbon build up.
Thanks
Sean
Specially plinkin wolf. ::)
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 09, 2008, 09:58:13 AM
Specially plinkin wolf. ::)
Just slam the forward assist repeatedly...
Post by: REGGAB on November 09, 2008, 02:27:21 PM
Just slam the forward assist repeatedly...
Works for me.
Post by: spydglide on November 09, 2008, 02:54:28 PM
Just slam the forward assist repeatedly...Doesn't work for me as mine is pre-forward assist model. Guess I'll just have to resort to cleaning often, huh? ??? spyder
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 09, 2008, 04:51:09 PM
Doesn't work for me as mine is pre-forward assist model. Guess I'll just have to resort to cleaning often, huh? ??? spyder
oh well... updated uppers are available, just have a long wait
Tap/Rap/Bang...
Post by: miker on November 09, 2008, 07:07:19 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 09, 2008, 08:39:19 PM
http://www.ruger.com/LCPRecall/?utm_source=InterMedia&utm_medium=Banner&utm_content=Rectangle&utm_campaign=IM%2BLCPRecall
Post by: miker on November 09, 2008, 09:35:32 PM
Know some of your have LCP's... Recall
http://www.ruger.com/LCPRecall/?utm_source=InterMedia&utm_medium=Banner&utm_content=Rectangle&utm_campaign=IM%2BLCPRecall
Yup mine is affected because when they came out I got a bug up my azz to have one toot sweet.
The ultimate beta tester, I, 110, fah, 110.
I buffed n fluffed, fired around a hunnert rounds, nothing to say but it is a stinger. I sent it back and am waiting.
The kimber cdp is back in rotation.
Post by: MJZ on November 13, 2008, 11:52:14 AM
Any suggestions for the replacement? I have not seen or tried out a S&W Nightguard but from what I've read it seems interesting.
Post by: BalDeagle on November 13, 2008, 11:57:30 AM
:2vrolijk_21:
Nige
Post by: REGGAB on November 16, 2008, 02:53:57 PM
1) I don't think so, but who really knows?
2) I don't, really, but it'll be there if I do, and I can't get it at that time because it's either not available or taxed so much as to be unaffordable.
3) Add it to the closet full I have already. :2vrolijk_21:
Get it while you can. Change is imminent. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: miker on November 16, 2008, 05:05:03 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 16, 2008, 05:59:45 PM
Prices are only gonna go up...alot.
yep
Built my M4 last night, got it all put together, function checked it and wiped it down...had vice scratches all over the upper from the vendor!
I was bummed. Couldn't see them with all the protectant they had on it when it shipped. You can make them out all over the upper.
Gonna ride up to Del-ton Wednesday I think - see if they can trade me out.
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on November 16, 2008, 06:07:47 PM
yepWhich vendor :confused5:
Built my M4 last night, got it all put together, function checked it and wiped it down...had vice scratches all over the upper from the vendor!
I was bummed. Couldn't see them with all the protectant they had on it when it shipped. You can make them out all over the upper.
Gonna ride up to Del-ton Wednesday I think - see if they can trade me out.
Post by: REGGAB on November 16, 2008, 06:19:28 PM
Prices are only gonna go up...alot.
That they are, Sir. That they are, hence my adherence to the 6Ps. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: MJZ on November 16, 2008, 07:50:31 PM
yep
Built my M4 last night, got it all put together, function checked it and wiped it down...had vice scratches all over the upper from the vendor!
I was bummed. Couldn't see them with all the protectant they had on it when it shipped. You can make them out all over the upper.
Gonna ride up to Del-ton Wednesday I think - see if they can trade me out.
Sean, in your opinion who has the best AR-15 set up on the market and would you go 16' or 20"?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 16, 2008, 08:08:06 PM
Which vendor :confused5:
Del-Ton.com, gotta be an anomaly - they have a great rep
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 16, 2008, 08:13:50 PM
Sean, in your opinion who has the best AR-15 set up on the market and would you go 16' or 20"?
I'm a black rifle neophyte with owning/building them (all the rest are Colt's at work) - the DPMS lower and the Del-ton upper were recommended by a Master Sergeant at work, he has 6 of them. J&T was also spec as a great source for kits - which is what I did from Del-ton. It was fun building it, over the years I have become quite familiar with them, so it was not a stretch to build this one from a kit. Addicting actually, think I am going to get a 7.62 x 39 before the end of Jan...
AR-15.com is a huge resource (FLAMarine there), there are folks who spend an ungodly amount of $$ on rifles.
I was interested in shooters. I got the M4 kit and have the 20" A3 kit with the A2 upper, not the flat top coming. You can go nuts with this, spend big money. Basically there are two manufacturers of the barrels and most components - and they are branded from there. Working on optics for the M4, EOTech is what I am leaning towards for that- can't afford an ACOG, or I would get that. Have shot them with an A4 and they are amazing.
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 16, 2008, 08:14:45 PM
That they are, Sir. That they are, hence my adherence to the 6Ps. :2vrolijk_21:
I have put away 500 each of .223 and 7.62 x 39 and expect to buy more.
Post by: dmnrdn on November 16, 2008, 10:01:51 PM
I found the wolf sticky and dirty...Cheap in more ways than one..imho of course cause I don't know squat.
The whole problems with the Wolf crap is #1 Steel cases but the really big problem is the lacquer they put on the rounds. Weapon heats up lacquer melts , gets sticky, traps carbon and any other crude it can find and then you have a sandpaper like goo in the chamber etc. If you do not clean the weapon in hot and I mean hot soapy water with a lot of elbow grease you will never get all the goo out and any following shooting just keeps adding to the problems. One a foreign made weapon with loose tolerance that is okay but on weapon that has tight tolerances you are just dooming the weapon.
I shoot a lot and the Dillon 550 I have keeps me at about a 50/50 time line. In other words If i shoot for an hour I can reload what I shot in an hour. Which is around 400 to 500 rounds an hour.
Post by: MJZ on November 16, 2008, 10:31:35 PM
The whole problems with the Wolf crap is #1 Steel cases but the really big problem is the lacquer they put on the rounds. Weapon heats up lacquer melts , gets sticky, traps carbon and any other crude it can find and then you have a sandpaper like goo in the chamber etc. If you do not clean the weapon in hot and I mean hot soapy water with a lot of elbow grease you will never get all the goo out and any following shooting just keeps adding to the problems. One a foreign made weapon with loose tolerance that is okay but on weapon that has tight tolerances you are just dooming the weapon.
I shoot a lot and the Dillon 550 I have keeps me at about a 50/50 time line. In other words If i shoot for an hour I can reload what I shot in an hour. Which is around 400 to 500 rounds an hour.
Interesting, I thought it was just me that was stuck in cleaning mode. What would y'all suggest instead of Wolf other than reloads?
Post by: dmnrdn on November 16, 2008, 10:49:41 PM
Interesting, I thought it was just me that was stuck in cleaning mode. What would y'all suggest instead of Wolf other than reloads?
Usually you can go to a gun show and find some good buys on Surplus Federal. Also the federal Eagle line works good. Really anything that is not steel cased or has a lacquer coating on the case.
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 17, 2008, 06:30:31 AM
The whole problems with the Wolf crap is #1 Steel cases but the really big problem is the lacquer they put on the rounds. Weapon heats up lacquer melts , gets sticky, traps carbon and any other crude it can find and then you have a sandpaper like goo in the chamber etc. If you do not clean the weapon in hot and I mean hot soapy water with a lot of elbow grease you will never get all the goo out and any following shooting just keeps adding to the problems. One a foreign made weapon with loose tolerance that is okay but on weapon that has tight tolerances you are just dooming the weapon.scrubbing bubbles - the green/blue can stuff... Learned that at OCS, we would make a 3 layer deep security ring around the deep sink prior to inspections to keep the Sergeant Instructor and/or Platoon Sergeant away from our dubious activities, scrubbing bubbles is amazing and does not hurt the bluing. Final inspection at OCS, I had the armory officer as my inspector, day after we had come out of the field and were busting blanks for days, which are horrible on a chamber. All he could say was "your weapon is too dry"...and he kind of smirked, couldn't find a spec of carbon on it.
I shoot a lot and the Dillon 550 I have keeps me at about a 50/50 time line. In other words If i shoot for an hour I can reload what I shot in an hour. Which is around 400 to 500 rounds an hour.
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 17, 2008, 06:31:53 AM
Usually you can go to a gun show and find some good buys on Surplus Federal. Also the federal Eagle line works good. Really anything that is not steel cased or has a lacquer coating on the case.
I just got 500 rounds of Black Hills reman...will report back on that.
I am going the RL550B route, reloading is the way to go.
Post by: Coolbreeze on November 17, 2008, 12:05:48 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 17, 2008, 12:12:54 PM
Which vendor :confused5:
called em earlier today - they said they would trade me out and that my 20" A2 was ready for pickup...
Off to Elizabethtown Wednesday for a 2fer. Will have to hit a range on the way home and do some test fire.
Post by: MJZ on November 17, 2008, 12:13:41 PM
Where does the opinion lie on a good price for a russian AK right now?
Here the Romainian are $450. and the Yugos are bringing $650. Not sure what they are getting for the Chinesse junk but everyone told me to stay away from them.
Post by: miker on November 17, 2008, 12:16:47 PM
Saiga syn stock start around 750 I would guess. Pre-ban wood pistol gripped are getting hard to find in good shape.
There is a pre-ban Romainian on gunbroker now bids at 600...
Also a beaty Cninese polytech at 2500 or so...near mint it says...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=116393969
I am not in the market for one...I am not in the market for one...I am not in the market for one...I am not in the market for one...
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 17, 2008, 12:20:06 PM
Where does the opinion lie on a good price for a russian AK right now?
there are still kits going for $289...
Post by: Coolbreeze on November 17, 2008, 02:30:01 PM
there are still kits going for $289...
Hmmm... that sounds like fun. What else would I need besides the kit? and where would I get one from?
I have two of everything but an AK variant, spo it just seems prudent to fill out the collection!
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 17, 2008, 04:10:35 PM
Hmmm... that sounds like fun. What else would I need besides the kit? and where would I get one from?
I have two of everything but an AK variant, spo it just seems prudent to fill out the collection!
receiver and barrel - those are the controlled items that require purchase from an FFL holder.
Do a search on AK-47 Kit there are a bunch, guess until just a month or so ago they were $89.00... Going as high as $600 now.
Post by: Steve_G on November 18, 2008, 12:52:46 AM
Maybe this topic is getting off the subject?
Not that there aren't interesting posts about long guns, but I would assume that the topic should be about CCW permits and the use thereof.
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 18, 2008, 06:37:13 AM
I "carry", but I don't carry my AR.
Maybe this topic is getting off the subject?
Not that there aren't interesting posts about long guns, but I would assume that the topic should be about CCW permits and the use thereof.
I'd ride with my M4...but I am guessing it would cause too much commotion, and probably cause unnecessary drag. Hell, if I got a 14.5 in barrel with the, and the carbine stock...hmmm, might just fit in a bag. They are sold out of lowers, but there are AR-15 Pistol Kits!
Was joking to the wife that I needed a scabbard for the SERK...easy for my KLR.
Only half kidding
Post by: spydglide on November 18, 2008, 09:09:23 AM
I'd ride with my M4...but I am guessing it would cause too much commotion, and probably cause unnecessary drag. Hell, if I got a 14.5 in barrel with the, and the carbine stock...hmmm, might just fit in a bag. They are sold out of lowers, but there are AR-15 Pistol Kits!Times have changed......when my Dad rode his Knucklehead across these United States in the late 30's, he carried a shotgun in a fork-mounted scabbard. Not sure you would get too far with one mounted now. I remember someone on here mentioning that they got pulled over for a sword mounted on a sissy bar in Virginia, I think. :-\ har! spyder
Was joking to the wife that I needed a scabbard for the SERK...easy for my KLR.
Only half kidding
Post by: BIGDOG on November 18, 2008, 02:46:17 PM
Post by: arcticdude on November 19, 2008, 10:45:11 AM
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 19, 2008, 03:37:41 PM
Just go buy an AK parts kit and a receiver flat. You should get everything in the parts kit, other than a useable receiver. That kit should set you back about $125 for a real good one. The receiver flat shouldn't be anymore than $25. NEITHER is an FFL item!!!! The ONLY thing on an AK that's FFL is a "functional" receiver. An unbent peice of metal with some holes in it is just exactly that, so the flat isn't controlled. If you pick up shotgun news or the like, you should be able to go back to one of their many articles that tell you how to take the flat and make it into a functional receiver. I did one a while back, and the ONLY papered item was the prebent receiver I bought for $90. Since it IS a functional receiver, it is papered. I just felt that for my first build, I didn't want to hassle with the buildup of the receiver. It went together pretty easily. After doing it, I realized how easy it would be to make the receiver, especially if all you really have to do is bend it and heat treat it- which is what a better flat takes to "make " it.
need a brake to bend it? what gauge?
Post by: arcticdude on November 19, 2008, 04:07:06 PM
Post by: sportygordy on November 19, 2008, 04:34:12 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 19, 2008, 04:45:57 PM
What is the status of AR-10 and AR-15 Receivers in your parts? I bought 2 of each last month and sold one of each yesterday for what i paid for all four :bananarock: Sold them to my FFL pal, he is turning them around to make money for himself. Come to find out, these things are now a year out... :nixweiss:
Went over to Del-ton today, got a new upper for my M4 and picked up my A2... Just got done building it about 10 minutes ago, this is addicting.
Feeling the need for another caliber soon, but the PX is out of lowers!
Obama has done wonders for the short term in the gun industry.
Oh well, got mine.
Looking at a Springfield Armory hi-cap now
Post by: sportygordy on November 19, 2008, 11:01:35 PM
Went over to Del-ton today, got a new upper for my M4 and picked up my A2... Just got done building it about 10 minutes ago, this is addicting.
Feeling the need for another caliber soon, but the PX is out of lowers!
Obama has done wonders for the short term in the gun industry.
Oh well, got mine.
Looking at a Springfield Armory hi-cap now
It is addicting and used to be fairly cheap. Not no more. My AR-10 went from $1,400 to $2,000 in a matter of one day.. >:( Harley's and guns,, they can keep a guy poor for sure
Post by: cuthbertss on November 20, 2008, 12:02:10 AM
Sean, in your opinion who has the best AR-15 set up on the market and would you go 16' or 20"?
take a look at Rock River Arms.... very reliable and last i looked...cheap(ish) LAR15A2 ( "M4" w/ 16.5 bbl)
i had my uppper tweaked and mated to a Rock lower and she shoots like a dream..... have hung a Surefire Pic Rail with their M910 Light; EoTech on a LaRue Tactical quick release rail, ARTMS 40 flip up BUIS ; tactical Tailor 3 point sling eats everything i put in it and shoots straight
yea i know...
:worthless:
Post by: cuthbertss on November 20, 2008, 12:03:36 AM
Went over to Del-ton today, got a new upper for my M4 and picked up my A2... Just got done building it about 10 minutes ago, this is addicting.
Feeling the need for another caliber soon, but the PX is out of lowers!
Obama has done wonders for the short term in the gun industry.
Oh well, got mine.
Looking at a Springfield Armory hi-cap now
Sean
Take a look at the SIG P250 Tactical in Digi Cam
Post by: cuthbertss on November 20, 2008, 12:10:06 AM
Interesting, I thought it was just me that was stuck in cleaning mode. What would y'all suggest instead of Wolf other than reloads?
check out Palmetto State Armory
good prices on factory ammo in bulk
1000 5.56 fo 350 ( not that wolf crap!)
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 20, 2008, 06:19:30 AM
Sean
Take a look at the SIG P250 Tactical in Digi Cam
writeup in American Rifleman this month haven't had opportunity to read it...
Post by: miker on November 20, 2008, 08:17:57 AM
Post by: RJ749 on November 26, 2008, 12:06:13 PM
Times have changed......when my Dad rode his Knucklehead across these United States in the late 30's, he carried a shotgun in a fork-mounted scabbard. Not sure you would get too far with one mounted now. I remember someone on here mentioning that they got pulled over for a sword mounted on a sissy bar in Virginia, I think. :-\ har! spyder
Spyd,
I recall when I bought my 650 Tiger there was a guy in the Triumph shop that just rode sea to sea with his 30-30 mounted in a scabbard and said he never had a problem with anyone. Circa 1970 when bikers did run into some issues from time to time in some areas of the country, especially if you had long hair etc.
Like you said, with our sorry PC azzes now it wouldn't go over well. You don't even see gun racks in trucks out here anymore.
On another note, there have been increasing gun violence attacks from gangs in malls etc. in the Seattle area these past weeks, may have to carry 24-7 soon.
Post by: grandpadoc on November 26, 2008, 12:38:12 PM
I'd ride with my M4...but I am guessing it would cause too much commotion, and probably cause unnecessary drag. Hell, if I got a 14.5 in barrel with the, and the carbine stock...hmmm, might just fit in a bag. They are sold out of lowers, but there are AR-15 Pistol Kits!
Was joking to the wife that I needed a scabbard for the SERK...easy for my KLR.
Only half kidding
Its not uncommen to see just that in Arizona. The bars and Harley dealers make you check them in before intering though. Doc
Post by: spydglide on November 26, 2008, 12:47:47 PM
Spyd,It's just a 'hassle' that we live with as our society ebbs & flows. :soapbox: And I thought it was just my paranoid azz that did that. :-X har! spyder
I recall when I bought my 650 Tiger there was a guy in the Triumph shop that just rode sea to sea with his 30-30 mounted in a scabbard and said he never had a problem with anyone. Circa 1970 when bikers did run into some issues from time to time in some areas of the country, especially if you had long hair etc.
Like you said, with our sorry PC azzes now it wouldn't go over well. You don't even see gun racks in trucks out here anymore.
On another note, there have been increasing gun violence attacks from gangs in malls etc. in the Seattle area these past weeks, may have to carry 24-7 soon.
Post by: Coolbreeze on November 26, 2008, 07:08:01 PM
AAARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
okay, I feel better now. I'm sitting quietly in the dark and pettinjg my kimber.... damn these meprolites are bright!
Post by: 49445CVO on November 26, 2008, 07:15:42 PM
Sig Sauer P 232 380
Post by: Fired00d on November 26, 2008, 07:17:26 PM
:soapbox: I still want to know why I have to have a permit to do what the bill of rights says is my right... Do I have to have a license to exercise free speech!?!?!?!?!I was of the understanding that permits are required to conceal carry, and open carry for most states was permissable. :nixweiss:
AAARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
okay, I feel better now. I'm sitting quietly in the dark and pettinjg my kimber.... damn these meprolites are bright!
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: TN on November 26, 2008, 07:45:17 PM
:soapbox: I still want to know why I have to have a permit to do what the bill of rights says is my right... Do I have to have a license to exercise free speech!?!?!?!?!
AAARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
okay, I feel better now. I'm sitting quietly in the dark and pettinjg my kimber.... damn these meprolites are bright!
the supreme court did decide that the right to bear arms is in our favor. the man just wants ya in the system, and by obtaining the permit we agree to there terms.
i wish i never got a cwp, the libility factor goes up.
i was in fear of my life.
TN
Post by: naitram on November 26, 2008, 10:44:01 PM
Post by: Fired00d on November 26, 2008, 10:55:56 PM
no open carry allowed in MAAnd I thought the Commonwealth of Virginia was messed up. :(
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on November 27, 2008, 06:19:46 PM
no open carry allowed in MAThis post made me do some google searching. Seems there are several states that don't allow open carry for any that are interested and aren't aware here is a good website for resources - Open Carry (http://www.opencarry.org/).
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: TN on December 01, 2008, 08:37:08 AM
TN
Post by: REGGAB on December 02, 2008, 05:49:19 AM
I have a Browning Auto-5 Light in 16 guage.......AKA: Sweet 16. Belgian. Been in our family since 1962-3. That's Dad's best recollection of when Mom got it for him. Tried using the methodology listed on Browning's website to get an accurate date of manufacture, but the serial number on the underside of the receiver doesn't match the decryption code on Browning's website.
Was wondering/hoping someone here could help me figure out exactly how old this weapon is. Serial Number is 3S16279. The buttstock end bears the old FN label. Gold trigger and lots of ornate stuff you'd expect on a Belgian Browning Sweet 16. Pristine. I remember oogling this thing since I was old enough to walk.......and based on that, the date on the instruction manual, and Dad's fading memory, I think it is a 1963 model, but I can't find anything definitive based on the serial number.
Thanks in advance to whoever can help me figure out how old this piece of my family history is.
Post by: MJZ on December 03, 2008, 10:13:39 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&p
Post by: miker on December 03, 2008, 10:22:50 AM
Post by: MJZ on December 03, 2008, 10:23:57 AM
Yup! Love my country and fear my government.
Yep, that is what I was thinking.
Post by: Steve_G on December 03, 2008, 02:51:35 PM
You got to see this: :2vrolijk_21:Very worthwhile! She sure tells it like it is. :2vrolijk_21:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&p
Post by: arcticdude on December 03, 2008, 04:42:09 PM
Post by: dlaws01 on December 04, 2008, 04:37:35 PM
Post by: Steve_G on December 04, 2008, 05:24:25 PM
I have been looking at the Ruger .380 LCP for a pocket gun I might actually carry. -Sounds like now's the time to get one.
Post by: cuthbertss on December 05, 2008, 08:09:58 PM
I have a customized Colt .45 ACP I used to shoot competition with, but I leave it in my dresser when I'm at home. I just keep a S&W model 60 in my Denali, but I never carry a piece on me even though I have a CCW permit.
I have been looking at the Ruger .380 LCP for a pocket gun I might actually carry. -Sounds like now's the time to get one.
LCPs are scarce right now due to the recall..... excellent gun though!
Post by: Coolbreeze on December 05, 2008, 09:10:02 PM
and
How big a smack is it in the palm to shoot?
re: I run a Kimber Ultra carry with BIG handloads, and I willingly pop 40-50 rounds through my DE .50cal, but, snakebit is something entirely different to convince the wife to carry....
Post by: miker on December 05, 2008, 10:31:49 PM
Post by: cuthbertss on December 06, 2008, 12:15:46 AM
Ruger has recently received a small number of reports from the field indicating that LCP pistols can discharge when dropped onto a hard surface with a round in the chamber. We are firmly committed to safety and would like to retrofit all older LCP Pistols. The retrofit involves installation of an upgraded hammer mechanism at no charge to the customer.
All LCP pistols bearing prefix “370” (that is, serial number 370-xxxxx) may be affected. Newly manufactured and retrofitted “370” prefix LCP pistols with the new hammer mechanism installed have been marked with a diamond in the flat portion of the slot just behind and below the hammer. Going forward, new pistols will be marked with the serial number prefix “371” (serial number 371-xxxxx). Pistols with the “371” prefix are not affected.
We will install the new hammer mechanism, plus some other functional upgrades that we added since the LCP’s introduction, and return your LCP to you, all FREE of charge. When we do, we also will send you a FREE magazine with the new finger grip extension as a “thank you” for your patience and cooperation. We will make every effort to return your pistol within one week of receipt.
Please do not reply to this e-mail.
Follow this link to contact Ruger directly: Click Here to Register and Learn More
Post by: cuthbertss on December 06, 2008, 12:16:21 AM
im real careful to not drop it on the hammer until they fix it ;-)
Post by: LarryB on December 06, 2008, 05:37:02 AM
I've always been partial to 9mm with a 4 in barrel, wifey likes S&W snub 38 spec, but likes her new 380.
Post by: ridefar on December 06, 2008, 07:47:03 AM
Post by: spydglide on December 06, 2008, 09:46:58 AM
Always, legally of course. Colt Series 70 Lightweight Commander.45 ACP worked over to perfection by Novak's .45 Shop. Owned since new in 1980. Also, you can't beat a nice wheelgun like a Smith .38 snub or bigger if you are willing, nice because they do not leave spent cases lying around, if you get my drift. If expecting trouble, stay home or take a rifle or shotgun.Great shooter. Just wish mine was the 'lightweight' like yours.......I'd probably choose it more often for CC. 8) har! spyder
Post by: Steve_G on December 06, 2008, 01:55:42 PM
I was going to return it, but I started thinking about the fact that although it's a small hassle I would get the upgrades AND a free extra clip so I decided to keep it. I just sent Ruger an email this morning and already received a reply. -Besides, I'm not going to be dropping a loaded gun anytime soon anyway. I just wanted to be sure and get one while the gettin's good.
The thing is, I feel like dejavu all over again with the "product enhancement" deal I just went through with my bike! :confused5:
Post by: cuthbertss on December 06, 2008, 02:13:56 PM
I just found a Ruger LCP at a small local gun shop right in Custer. I asked about the recall deal, but the lady who owns the shop didn't seem to know much about it. Anyway, I bought it. When I got home I got on the computer, and sure enough- my new gun is subject to the recall.
I was going to return it, but I started thinking about the fact that although it's a small hassle I would get the upgrades AND a free extra clip so I decided to keep it. I just sent Ruger an email this morning and already received a reply. -Besides, I'm not going to be dropping a loaded gun anytime soon anyway. I just wanted to be sure and get one while the gettin's good.
The thing is, I feel like dejavu all over again with the "product enhancement" deal I just went through with my bike! :confused5:
very true on the Deja VU!!!!
it seems like Ruger is doing what they can to make it painless and correct so, no worries enjoy it!
Post by: miker on December 08, 2008, 08:12:31 AM
I just found a Ruger LCP at a small local gun shop right in Custer. I asked about the recall deal, but the lady who owns the shop didn't seem to know much about it. Anyway, I bought it. When I got home I got on the computer, and sure enough- my new gun is subject to the recall.
I was going to return it, but I started thinking about the fact that although it's a small hassle I would get the upgrades AND a free extra clip so I decided to keep it. I just sent Ruger an email this morning and already received a reply. -Besides, I'm not going to be dropping a loaded gun anytime soon anyway. I just wanted to be sure and get one while the gettin's good.
The thing is, I feel like dejavu all over again with the "product enhancement" deal I just went through with my bike! :confused5:
Take the gun down and buff the chamber/reciever/barrel with a scotch brite red pad. Load snap caps into the mag and hand cycle the lil runt a bunch...I did that a few times then with a few snap caps loaded, proceeded to beat the crap out of it, no hammer fall, but I am sending it back anyway. It fired fine with no feed problems spritely recoil with fmj, I imagine the heavy corbons will kick good. I need a mag xtension I think.
I no longer keep one in the chamber to avoid the Plexcio but still carry it and can rack one purty dern quick after a little practice.
Post by: arcticdude on December 08, 2008, 01:07:56 PM
I no longer keep one in the chamber to avoid the Plexcio but still carry it and can rack one purty dern quick after a little practice.
Not as quick as a BG pulling the trigger.
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Post by: miker on December 08, 2008, 01:11:19 PM
That is why I swapped out for the cdp this am...Boy is it heavy!
Maybe I should go pick up a 22 mag wheel for the meantime.
Any suggestions, this Kimber is just too big.
Post by: Steve_G on December 08, 2008, 02:22:43 PM
Take the gun down and buff the chamber/reciever/barrel with a scotch brite red pad. Load snap caps into the mag and hand cycle the lil runt a bunch...I did that a few times then with a few snap caps loaded, proceeded to beat the crap out of it, no hammer fall, but I am sending it back anyway. It fired fine with no feed problems spritely recoil with fmj, I imagine the heavy corbons will kick good. I need a mag xtension I think.
I no longer keep one in the chamber to avoid the Plexcio but still carry it and can rack one purty dern quick after a little practice.
Thanks for the advise. Good idea about the scotch-bright pad. As you probably already know, the new mag Ruger sends you is supposed to have the extention on it. -Steve
Post by: miker on December 08, 2008, 02:29:51 PM
Post by: Fed68 on December 08, 2008, 03:36:02 PM
Personally, I carry a Smith & Wesson M&P40 compact. This thread has been very interesting and it's amazing to see the amount of people who carry. Even though I live in Illinois I have a concealled permit for Iowa as I work and travel in Iowa alot. You can't get a CCP in IL unless you are a cop or private investigator. We can thank Chicago for that!!
Post by: miker on December 08, 2008, 04:06:06 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on December 08, 2008, 07:27:49 PM
What is amazing to me is seeing the caliber (pun intended) of people I see at gun shows signing up for cwp in Fla..The Gunshine state.
yeah...
Post by: spydglide on December 08, 2008, 07:35:29 PM
yeah...What are " Gold D Bites " ???? :-\ har! :drink:spyder
Post by: Keats on December 08, 2008, 07:41:15 PM
What are " Gold D Bites " ???? :-\ har! :drink:spyder
too much :drink: "Gold Bikes rule"
Post by: spydglide on December 08, 2008, 07:56:33 PM
....just 'funnin' w/ the Major. :huepfenlol2: har! :drink: spyder
too much :drink: "Gold Bikes rule"
Post by: ridefar on December 08, 2008, 08:16:49 PM
True :'(Buy a Smith 442 alloy .38 snub and put it in your pocket...13 ounces
That is why I swapped out for the cdp this am...Boy is it heavy!
Maybe I should go pick up a 22 mag wheel for the meantime.
Any suggestions, this Kimber is just too big.
Post by: RJ749 on December 08, 2008, 08:23:01 PM
Buy a Smith 442 alloy .38 snub and put it in your pocket...13 ounces
I have enjoyed the one I got from my dad's collection, easy to carry and very good for personal protection. I have the oringinal open hammer without the thumb lever.
Here's a pic of the Centennial. Also, one for the ladies...........
Post by: RJ749 on December 08, 2008, 08:35:25 PM
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 08:39:42 PM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: ridefar on December 08, 2008, 08:43:42 PM
Post by: RJ749 on December 08, 2008, 08:47:34 PM
Hmmm, wonder if they have orange grips?? :)
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Like this maybe?
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 08:50:08 PM
Like this maybe?:ROFLOL: :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 08:52:53 PM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: SBB on December 08, 2008, 08:54:30 PM
Like this maybe?
Geeeeeeeeeee
That model doesn't have the chrome hinges either!
What's up with that?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Post by: sadunbar on December 08, 2008, 08:56:00 PM
Seriously though that did peak my interest I like the idea of it being small enough to slip in your pocket. My only concern is I have large hand(s) and wonder about smaller handguns like that. I'll have to stop by a gunshop and put my hands on one, even better find someone that has a few small frame guns and go shoot them.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Just don't carry in your waistband...I have heard if it were to fall thru your waistband - it is possible when retreiving it - to shoot yourself in your leg... ??? ??? ???
Post by: ridefar on December 08, 2008, 08:56:28 PM
[quote author=miker link=topic=16970.msg499641#msg499641 date= )
I no longer keep one in the chamber to avoid the Plexcio but still carry it and can rack one purty dern quick after a little practice.
Not as quick as a BG pulling the trigger.
I would be willing to bet that Plaxico was handling a Glock. They are an accident waiting to happen to someone who does not train with one constantly, as there is no safety. Catch that "safe action trigger" on something and that bad-boy goes bang if it contains a chambered round. Had a local "federal agent" touch a round off in a mall men"s room while pulling his pants up, no bull!
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 09:01:03 PM
Maybe a friend is going to get them for it. :nixweiss: ;D
Geeeeeeeeeee
That model doesn't have the chrome hinges either!
What's up with that?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 09:02:32 PM
Just don't carry in your waistband...I have heard if it were to fall thru your waistband - it is possible when retreiving it - to shoot yourself in your leg... ??? ??? ???Believe you me I'm not going to be sticking nothing in my waistband. :nervous:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 09:10:13 PM
(http://www.notpurfect.com/main/dw22.jpg)
A little hard to conceal w/an eight inch barrel though. :oops: ;D :D ;D :D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: miker on December 08, 2008, 09:23:06 PM
yeah...
I hate you....
Post by: ridefar on December 08, 2008, 10:15:31 PM
I'm used to big frame guns....(http://www.notpurfect.com/main/dw22.jpg)
A little hard to conceal w/an eight inch barrel though. :oops: ;D :D ;D :D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman: Ah yes, the Dan Wesson interchangable barrel system. Amazingly accurate.
Post by: EZRIDN on December 08, 2008, 10:29:10 PM
I have the famed "370" numbered LCP...haven't heard squat from Ruger since registering over a month ago.
Post by: cuthbertss on December 08, 2008, 10:31:30 PM
Ruger LCP .380 is all I need...wifey has a Taurus PT25. Also have a .357 mag Armenius for my backup (there's a twist for ya) among the rest of the hunting gear I keep in the office.
I have the famed "370" numbered LCP...haven't heard squat from Ruger since registering over a month ago.
I honestly think that Ruger is just getting their chit together for the recall.... thats a lot of guns affected by it..
it'll come
the 110 guys should be used to this ::)
Post by: EZRIDN on December 08, 2008, 10:40:53 PM
I honestly think that Ruger is just getting their chit together for the recall.... thats a lot of guns affected by it..
it'll come
the 110 guys should be used to this ::)
I'm sure they will come through...haven't heard though what the actual additional upgrades are that they say they will be making. I do look forward to getting the freebie mag w/finger grip....looks much nicer than the std.
Post by: cuthbertss on December 08, 2008, 10:56:18 PM
I'm sure they will come through...haven't heard though what the actual additional upgrades are that they say they will be making. I do look forward to getting the freebie mag w/finger grip....looks much nicer than the std.
i have shot with the new mag..it is very nice
Post by: miker on December 09, 2008, 07:34:50 AM
i have shot with the new mag..it is very nice
What didja shoot through it, all I have used is ball in mine...
Post by: VaEagle on December 09, 2008, 10:55:18 AM
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=49906&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15707&isFirearm=Y
Post by: Fired00d on December 09, 2008, 11:19:55 AM
Here is a complete kit for Fired00d !Interesting. :2vrolijk_21:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=49906&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15707&isFirearm=Y
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: cuthbertss on December 09, 2008, 11:35:07 AM
What didja shoot through it, all I have used is ball in mine...
cheap ball
but...i carry gold dot ( no choice really)
Post by: RJ749 on December 09, 2008, 07:15:09 PM
Any opinions welcome. It was around $1400.00 and had extra mags etc.
Post by: miker on December 09, 2008, 07:19:26 PM
They are just fun to shoot...223 has gotten pricey though...The colt will always keep value..
I own a S&W AR and it is a nice gun, I paid around 1100 a few years back...
Post by: RJ749 on December 09, 2008, 07:23:23 PM
I doubt they'd have it posted where they do if they weren't looking for a Colt nut to see it. I know I need to get some additional details to know what I'm talking about anyway.
Post by: LarryB on December 09, 2008, 08:23:33 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on December 09, 2008, 08:31:12 PM
I'm not an assault weapons collector but I saw a listing at my gun shop for a Colt AR 15. It noted it is rare and worth having.
Any opinions welcome. It was around $1400.00 and had extra mags etc.
More fun to build them... Get a DPMS stripped lower and a Del-ton kit. I just built an M4 and an A2 - was a blast just to build them, and Del-ton makes a great upper kit for $465 plus the lower - just be patient delivery times are long right now.
Just got my Yugo M70AB2 kit tonight, going to build an AK underfolder and a fixed stock Rom G next.
Building them is addicting
Sean
Post by: RJ749 on December 09, 2008, 09:36:30 PM
Here is a complete kit for Fired00d !
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=49906&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15707&isFirearm=Y
Get stuck in the woods and then open your kit and read the book. :2vrolijk_21:
Model 500ES - Emergency Survival Tool Kit contains:
Smith & Wesson Model 500, 2 3/4" Barrel with Bright Orange Hogue® recoil reducing grip
Waterproof Storm® Case
Blast Match™ Firestarter and WetFire tender
Saber Cut™ Saw with fabric sheath
Jet Scream™ whistle
Star Flash™ signal mirror
Polaris® compass
Two MPI Mylar Space® Emergency Blankets
Smith & Wesson Extreme Ops Liner Lock Folding Knife with Black Sheath
"Bear Attacks of the Century - True Stories of Courage and Survival" book by Larry Mueller and Marguerite Reiss
Post by: spydglide on December 09, 2008, 11:03:26 PM
I think I'll go by there in the morning and see what the deal is with it.Don't know how 'rare' they are, Rog. But I do like mine, of course, I've had it for a very long time. Price is all over the place for them and as you know, condition, condition, condition. ;D har! spyder
I doubt they'd have it posted where they do if they weren't looking for a Colt nut to see it. I know I need to get some additional details to know what I'm talking about anyway.
Post by: RJ749 on December 09, 2008, 11:37:17 PM
Don't know how 'rare' they are, Rog. But I do like mine, of course, I've had it for a very long time. Price is all over the place for them and as you know, condition, condition, condition. ;D har! spyder
I'll be checking it out in the AM I hope, I forgot Santa is going on his annual buying trip for the company Christmas party tomorrow and Mrs. Claus will be along (no gun store).
But Santa will be able to stop afterwards. If I have the strength. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: cuthbertss on December 09, 2008, 11:40:34 PM
I'll be checking it out in the AM I hope, I forgot Santa is going on his annual buying trip for the company Christmas party tomorrow and Mrs. Claus will be along (no gun store).
But Santa will be able to stop afterwards. If I have the strength. :2vrolijk_21:
enjoy that trip my friend... and i kinda doubt that AR is all that "rare" for that price, but any AR is a good one :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: RJ749 on December 09, 2008, 11:44:35 PM
enjoy that trip my friend... and i kinda doubt that AR is all that "rare" for that price, but any AR is a good one :2vrolijk_21:
Devil is in the details I know, so I'll get my research done so I'm not talking out of the orifice I normally am Scot. At least the shopping will be fun.
Post by: spydglide on December 09, 2008, 11:45:21 PM
Post by: arcticdude on December 10, 2008, 09:51:16 AM
Hop onto gunbroker.com. You should find lots to look at and learn from as far as what prices the Colts are bringing.
Post by: BLM777 on December 10, 2008, 11:07:21 AM
Devil is in the details I know, so I'll get my research done so I'm not talking out of the orifice I normally am Scot. At least the shopping will be fun.
One thing to pay attention to Roger is the model. I've got a Colt AR that I bought 2 of several years ago that is the Target Match Competition model. Wish I hadn't sold one of them to a friend as I turned down $2600 for mine last week with an AimPoint red dot on it. Seen some standard ones going anywhere from $1000 to $1600 in the past couple of months depending upon condition.
Post by: Coolbreeze on December 10, 2008, 03:14:32 PM
Post by: RJ749 on December 10, 2008, 05:35:51 PM
One thing to pay attention to Roger is the model. I've got a Colt AR that I bought 2 of several years ago that is the Target Match Competition model. Wish I hadn't sold one of them to a friend as I turned down $2600 for mine last week with an AimPoint red dot on it. Seen some standard ones going anywhere from $1000 to $1600 in the past couple of months depending upon condition.
Is this one like your match? http://www.gunsinternational.com/results.cfm?cid=72
COLT MATCH H-BAR GI#:100065342
COLT MATCH HBAR AR-15 RIFLE, .223/5.56NATO CALIBER, 20" HEAVY BARREL, NO FLASH SUPPRESSOR, LONG HANDGUARD. ADJUSTABLE SIGHTS(A-2), FIXED CARRY HANDLE AND BUTTSTOCK. COMES w/1-9 ROUND MAGAZINE. CONTACT FOR FURTHER DETAIL OR QUESTIONS....more
Seller: DOMINIONOUTDOORS Area Code: 540 $1,299.99
Post by: miker on December 29, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
I honestly think that Ruger is just getting their chit together for the recall.... thats a lot of guns affected by it..
it'll come
the 110 guys should be used to this ::)
I must give credit to Ruger in regards to the lcp recall issue.
I spoke with a human that had an american accent, they sent a box for shippingtwo days after speaking with them, sent it ups on the 19th got it back an the 26th with an extra magazine and finger extension(nice) and a ball cap...Very good service, off to the range this week to heat it up...
Post by: Hoist! on December 29, 2008, 02:51:14 PM
I must give credit to Ruger in regards to the lcp recall issue.
I spoke with a human that had an american accent, they sent a box for shippingtwo days after speaking with them, sent it ups on the 19th got it back an the 26th with an extra magazine and finger extension(nice) and a ball cap...Very good service, off to the range this week to heat it up...
Does Ruger still deny Health Insurance to bikers who choose to ride helmetless in states where it's legal? Many bikers protested Ruger for this policy, led by AMA qand ABATE. Was wondering if this is still the case.
Hoist! 8)
Post by: BLM777 on December 29, 2008, 06:25:54 PM
Is this one like your match? http://www.gunsinternational.com/results.cfm?cid=72
COLT MATCH H-BAR GI#:100065342
COLT MATCH HBAR AR-15 RIFLE, .223/5.56NATO CALIBER, 20" HEAVY BARREL, NO FLASH SUPPRESSOR, LONG HANDGUARD. ADJUSTABLE SIGHTS(A-2), FIXED CARRY HANDLE AND BUTTSTOCK. COMES w/1-9 ROUND MAGAZINE. CONTACT FOR FURTHER DETAIL OR QUESTIONS....more
Seller: DOMINIONOUTDOORS Area Code: 540 $1,299.99
Similar weapon Roger, but pre ban (sear only change for full auto). Most of the post ban AR's are marked "match"...the older ones (most bought on government purchases) designate "competition match". Most of the pre ban are set up for quick change from "street legal" to auto for competition in the armed forces events.
Post by: miker on December 29, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
Does Ruger still deny Health Insurance to bikers who choose to ride helmetless in states where it's legal? Many bikers protested Ruger for this policy, led by AMA qand ABATE. Was wondering if this is still the case.
Hoist! 8)
Don't know??? Don't care...they could go to work for someone else if it is that big a deal to them...I would if it were to me...
Post by: cuthbertss on December 29, 2008, 10:33:33 PM
Don't know??? Don't care...they could go to work for someone else if it is that big a deal to them...I would if it were to me...
Ditto
only care about their product and their customer service
so far a+++
Post by: cuthbertss on December 29, 2008, 10:34:45 PM
I must give credit to Ruger in regards to the lcp recall issue.
I spoke with a human that had an american accent, they sent a box for shippingtwo days after speaking with them, sent it ups on the 19th got it back an the 26th with an extra magazine and finger extension(nice) and a ball cap...Very good service, off to the range this week to heat it up...
havent gotten mine back yet...but the outbound experience was about the same
any FFL on site that answer a technical question offline?
Post by: Admiral on December 29, 2008, 11:02:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ7cfr9Lso
Post by: JoMo on December 29, 2008, 11:08:09 PM
Jo mo NYC :coolblue:
Post by: Sean M Cary on December 29, 2008, 11:21:47 PM
havent gotten mine back yet...but the outbound experience was about the same
any FFL on site that answer a technical question offline?
I have have relatively quick access to one...but am on leave until Monday. Can it wait?
Sean
Post by: BLM777 on December 30, 2008, 09:46:48 AM
Wouldn't think of not carrying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ7cfr9Lso
Funny video .... can't agree with the politically correct left foot/right foot deal though. My training and experience dictates a "double tap" to the center torso followed by a single to the forehead on the way down .... leaves only one live witness to the story .... ::)
Post by: Fired00d on December 30, 2008, 10:34:17 AM
Funny video .... can't agree with the politically correct left foot/right foot deal though. My training and experience dictates a "double tap" to the center torso followed by a single to the forehead on the way down .... leaves only one live witness to the story .... ::)True dat. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: MIKEYTEE on December 30, 2008, 03:07:48 PM
By the way I start my new job with ATF next week!
Mike
:drink:
LIE, Just wanted to see the reactions!
;D ;D ;D :drink:
Post by: dmnrdn on December 30, 2008, 06:39:16 PM
True dat. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Amen. I made the mistake years ago when I was in law enforcement of Only wounding a person and not killing them. It was a woman who was coming at me from behind with a knife as I was arresting her husband who had just beat the hell out of her. I had a moment of sympathy and did not kill her. Long story short they tried to sue me. Lesson learned. Dead people do not testify. Yes my back up was around he is the one who warned me about here because he did not have a clean line of fire to her.
Post by: Sean M Cary on December 30, 2008, 09:26:53 PM
I would never post weather I did or didn't on a public forum. Never know who might be lurking!But if folks know you are packing, odds are they will not mess with you...
By the way I start my new job with ATF next week!
Mike
:drink:
LIE, Just wanted to see the reactions!
;D ;D ;D :drink:
A black talon just under a half inch has quite a persuasive capability.
My take - peace through superior firepower.
Sean
Post by: MIKEYTEE on December 30, 2008, 11:10:07 PM
I like to keep them guessing! Do he do or do he don't?
Feel lucky......... Make my day!
Mike
:drink:
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 03, 2009, 01:06:08 PM
Post by: Screamin on January 03, 2009, 01:11:09 PM
Back to topic. :jack:
Post by: HogBreath on January 03, 2009, 01:11:23 PM
I've noticed that a good many people that I ride with carry guns with them. I'm just not sure how this comes in handy with them locked in the tourpack. At what point do you get a gun out? Is there really a good reason to carry one with you on a bike...versus any other time? This is a serious question. I've been shopping around online lately, looking at them. I'm just not quite sure what the reason I would be getting it for. I would think that I could end up in irreversible trouble by having one. I'm sure I'll spark some people to respond to this one.
Get a hammerless S&W 38. It fits nicely inside the pocket of the HD leather jacket, or in the back pocket of your jeans. Or so I've heard.
Post by: Fired00d on January 03, 2009, 01:12:11 PM
Goldarnitalltoheck Dood you're fast on the merge thing. :)Hehehehe. :2vrolijk_21:
Back to topic. :jack:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: 212hjet on January 03, 2009, 02:15:27 PM
Post by: SBB on January 03, 2009, 03:20:47 PM
Goldarnitalltoheck Dood you're fast on the merge thing. :)
Back to topic. :jack:
Other than pasting the hint on his forehead what other choice did he have?
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Quote from: 1abastarsmda on Today at 12:59:26 PM
That aims me at a question, but I'm going to post it as a new topic...regarding guns and bikes.
Have you seen this thread - Do you carry?
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 03, 2009, 03:31:57 PM
You mean like a 642....wouldn't know anything about those. 1ABA.... I think your question answers the question you posed, in regards to you packing a firearm.
I'm guessing that what you are saying is to forget about purchasing a gun...and just be happy that those I ride with carry one.
Post by: Steve_G on January 03, 2009, 03:56:03 PM
I've noticed that a good many people that I ride with carry guns with them. I'm just not sure how this comes in handy with them locked in the tourpack. At what point do you get a gun out? Is there really a good reason to carry one with you on a bike...versus any other time? This is a serious question. I've been shopping around online lately, looking at them. I'm just not quite sure what the reason I would be getting it for. I would think that I could end up in irreversible trouble by having one. I'm sure I'll spark some people to respond to this one.I believe you should work through the issues you have mentioned before you buy a gun. There are some excellent books out that should help you. One I would recommend is titled "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob.
Post by: Hoist! on January 03, 2009, 04:04:02 PM
I believe you should work through the issues you have mentioned before you buy a gun. There are some excellent books out that should help you. One I would recommend is titled "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob.
HeHe!!! I thought you were joking and referring to a Terrorist! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: ;D ;D ;D
Had to look it up:
In The Gravest Extreme - Massad Ayoob
The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection The modern classic book that AMERICAN HANDGUNNER calls "must reading for anyone who owns a firearm for self defense". This best seller is widely acclaimed by cops, lawyers, and judges as the ultimate guide to the use of a gun's deadly force at the ultimate level of self protection. Numerous lawyers have said that they learned more about self defense law from this book than they did in law school. Often imitated but never equaled, In The Gravest Extreme tells it like it is, and prepares you to protect you and yours against criminal violence without being crucified for it in court. Anti-gunners call it "a guide on how to kill criminals and get away with it," but men like Lt. Frank McGee, former head of firearms training for New York City Police Department, say it's "must reading" for anyone who keeps a gun for self defense. Welcome to the reality of the street in a book that also makes a memorable gift to anyone who keeps a gun in their home. 130 pgs, illust., softcover
It wasn't a joke, and sounds interesting! ;)
Hoist! 8)
Post by: Screamin on January 03, 2009, 04:23:14 PM
I believe you should work through the issues you have mentioned before you buy a gun. There are some excellent books out that should help you. One I would recommend is titled "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob.
I note that this was published in 1980. While it received rave reviews, no doubt there's been many changes in the laws, technology and attitudes in the U.S. over the past 28 years or so. Any idea of a similar reference which is more up to date?
Post by: spydglide on January 03, 2009, 04:34:14 PM
I note that this was published in 1980. While it received rave reviews, no doubt there's been many changes in the laws, technology and attitudes in the U.S. over the past 28 years or so. Any idea of a similar reference which is more up to date?I'd still read Ayoob's book.....it covers the basic concepts of using deadly force w/o sugar-coating it and w/o adding the macho precepts. Gotta have your 'mind' right before 'carrying'. :-X spyder
Post by: Steve_G on January 03, 2009, 05:14:52 PM
I note that this was published in 1980. While it received rave reviews, no doubt there's been many changes in the laws, technology and attitudes in the U.S. over the past 28 years or so. Any idea of a similar reference which is more up to date?As others have pointed out, the basic concepts don't change, but if you can get your hands on the American Handgunner Personal Defense 2008 special edition annual, it has some really good articles. It was put out August 12, 2008. (There's also a great article in it by Mr. Ayoob). You may be able to order it at www.americanhandgunner.com
Post by: serghaven on January 03, 2009, 06:25:12 PM
Post by: spydglide on January 03, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
I carry because its my right. I have a licence to carry a gun. I do not have a licence to pull my gun. That is something you need to remember. To use your gun to protect your bike would be a good way to lose your bike in a lawsuit. I do not carry it in a tour pak it is on my hip at all time. In my state you do not have to conceal the gun. so, if anyone was messing with my bike and I were to walk up to them with my 45 on my hip, it would get their attention. If you ever do need to pull you gun. Remember dead people can not sue.Oh, but the 'family' will surely take up the civil cause on the deceased' behalf. Not sure I'd want to count on the good judgement of someone observing your weapon, either. :-\ Just saying..... spyder
Post by: 212hjet on January 03, 2009, 06:53:26 PM
Enjoy riding, protect yourself and be safe.
212
Post by: BLM777 on January 03, 2009, 07:02:55 PM
Oh, but the 'family' will surely take up the civil cause on the deceased' behalf. Not sure I'd want to count on the good judgement of someone observing your weapon, either. :-\ Just saying..... spyder
Amen, brother Spyder. I would prefer that it be the very last thing they ever see ..... ;D
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 03, 2009, 07:35:10 PM
I've noticed that a good many people that I ride with carry guns with them. I'm just not sure how this comes in handy with them locked in the tourpack. At what point do you get a gun out? Is there really a good reason to carry one with you on a bike...versus any other time? This is a serious question. I've been shopping around online lately, looking at them. I'm just not quite sure what the reason I would be getting it for. I would think that I could end up in irreversible trouble by having one. I'm sure I'll spark some people to respond to this one.
I'm quoting myself on this one. I'm not getting the answers I was looking for, so I'll try to reword this. I think I'm looking for an example of a time someone on a bike has needed to pull their gun out. I'm trying to figure out what the reason is that so many of these people I ride with carry a gun on their bike, but not in their cars. Am I missing something?
Post by: brhulen on January 03, 2009, 07:35:47 PM
Post by: OhioDave on January 03, 2009, 08:40:35 PM
Maybe so, maybe no! If its concealed, then that's where it should remain unless needed. I tend to think that applies to discussing whether someone does or doesn't. That being said Alaska is one of the few states where a CW permit is not required. But, if you are going to carry, I suggest that you attend a CW course and become proficient with the weapon you intend to carry. Many quickly attain a false sense of bravado by simply carrying a sidearm, and that's pure unadulterated B.S. Nothing makes up for constant practice. Have you ever watched the results of a police shoot out? Look how many shots are fired by trained professionals that never hit their target. In an emergency situation your adrenaline rush will be out of control and you'll be damn lucky to hit what you're shooting at. I do intend to agree with an earlier post referrng to a double tap and to that I would add the failure to stop procedure. If you simply shoot to wound, then chances are you really didn't need to. If your life is indeed in danger and you must use deadly force then shoot to end it, not postpone it. Your first duty is to remove yourself from the situation if at all possible, and that will be one of the first questions you'll be asked when the interviews commence. Lastly, there is a huge responsibility that comes with carrying a CW not the least are the multitude of restrictions regarding where you cannot carry a weapon and that includes if you have a CW permit. I hate to harp on this guys, but I carry a weapon for a living and always abide by the four golden rules. If you don't know them, you shouldn't be carrying a firearm of any kind! Be responsible, be careful.
Well said !!!
Post by: RedBone on January 03, 2009, 09:11:36 PM
Get a hammerless S&W 38. It fits nicely inside the pocket of the HD leather jacket, or in the back pocket of your jeans. Or so I've heard.
Hogbreath so right as an x leo S&W 640 I can wear with tshirt or whatever and not a hassle at all carry by habit and its better to have one and not need it then to not have one and need it to many wackos out there :nervous:
Post by: Plasmaman on January 03, 2009, 09:46:48 PM
Post by: dlaws01 on January 03, 2009, 11:47:27 PM
Post by: LarryB on January 04, 2009, 06:42:02 AM
What I have found that removes the use of deadly force is those little novelty baseball bats. I carry one on the bike, while on trips I have it so my left hand can access it. I drill the top out and fill with lead. wont kill anyone, but will get there attention. Unless you strike a blow to the sweet spot of the melon, so don't do that.
Here's a little tip, if ever in a bar fight and you need to use a pool cue as a weapon, take the fat end whack the tip end on the pool table fast to break the tip off. then it's a stick, a pool cue can be considered a deadly weapons, a stick...........is a stick.
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 04, 2009, 12:25:22 PM
Post by: Coolbreeze on January 05, 2009, 03:54:29 PM
I used to carry just such a novelty baseball bat in my car, years ago. I still don't know who stole it from me. I've been asking some of the guys I ride with, that I didn't already know if they carried a gun when riding. I'm one of the very few that doesn't. It sounds like I am well protected without having to carry one myself. That doesn't mean that I've abandoned the concept entirely. I've been doing a lot of reading on the subject, and may head to a range to find out some more. If I should get one, I want to make sure I am well educated and learn how to shoot. I've only ever shot a gun once in my life...a rifle. Some buddies took me out for target practice (oil cans) and they got mad and took the gun away from me when I hit all 3 cans with my only 3 shots, since they never hit one. It turns out that I had either beginner's luck or a very good eye for this sort of thing. If I ever get to the point of getting out there and firing a weapon again, I'll let you know if I'm actually any good at it. At this point, it's still far down on my priority list.
A right not exercised is a right lost.
Post by: Keats on January 05, 2009, 07:32:25 PM
I'm quoting myself on this one. I'm not getting the answers I was looking for, so I'll try to reword this. I think I'm looking for an example of a time someone on a bike has needed to pull their gun out. I'm trying to figure out what the reason is that so many of these people I ride with carry a gun on their bike, but not in their cars. Am I missing something?
Could the answer be so simple, as a "group" (Bikers) are of the mindset of self reliance and preservation that it seems natural to take actions that would be consistant with those beliefs.
I personally have never had to pull a gun out and hope not to, but I cannot picture myself being a bystander to a horrific sequence of events without an intervention of some kind.
There are serious consequences for using deadly force but the biggest upside is living through the event.
Post by: hard10 on January 05, 2009, 08:45:29 PM
Dave, I'll try and answer your question of, has anyone ever had to pull and shoot while on the Bike? I have never had to nor have I seen it done, that includes my OL days. Kind of gives old west feel. I do carry, all the time, and have unholstered maybe a dozen times in 25 years, once to fire, and then it was them or me. The military taught me to use the "minimum amount of force" to subdue the situation, and then Special Forces taught me to "go for the jugular" right off the bat. So a whole lot of common sense has got to come into play. When my wife took the CW classes, she felt most of the other women in the class should NEVER carry a weapon, kinda scared her. But she took that Colt Python and put 100% in center mass. She carries ALL the times while working and riding, not a women you'd want to cross, or cut in line in front of at the store.
What I have found that removes the use of deadly force is those little novelty baseball bats. I carry one on the bike, while on trips I have it so my left hand can access it. I drill the top out and fill with lead. wont kill anyone, but will get there attention. Unless you strike a blow to the sweet spot of the melon, so don't do that.
Here's a little tip, if ever in a bar fight and you need to use a pool cue as a weapon, take the fat end whack the tip end on the pool table fast to break the tip off. then it's a stick, a pool cue can be considered a deadly weapons, a stick...........is a stick.
Here's a little tip, if you break (or steal) one of my pool sticks, I'll come and find ya. Now I know why I go through so many cases of them a year!
Post by: LarryB on January 06, 2009, 06:43:02 AM
Hey, I gotta try and make something back from all those years of hard knocks.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 06, 2009, 10:01:00 AM
I did just get another carry piece, a Kimber Ultra CDP II, 45acp
Post by: miker on January 06, 2009, 11:13:15 AM
Post by: hdhog1 on January 06, 2009, 08:44:10 PM
Post by: Steve_G on January 07, 2009, 04:34:41 PM
"I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop". ;)
Post by: SPIDERMAN on January 07, 2009, 05:53:38 PM
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Post by: BigLew on January 07, 2009, 05:57:59 PM
Post by: LarryB on January 08, 2009, 04:51:25 AM
Good luck
Post by: NW_FLSTRSE3_2009 on January 08, 2009, 09:51:56 AM
double tap, make sure he cant appear in court, to dipsute your side of the story
...two to the body one to the head...
In case he is wearing body armor!
Post by: BAKRDS on January 08, 2009, 04:35:14 PM
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/legisiation.htm
The way I read it it would apply to handloads also.
Post by: SPIDERMAN on January 08, 2009, 04:36:59 PM
Did he say Lapdance surgery? what, she throw your back out?
Good luck
No but she lightened my wallet by a couple sawbucks
8)
B B
Post by: BAKRDS on January 08, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
This come up on this site yet ??
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/legislation.htm
The way I read it it would apply to handloads also.
Try it again.Never could spell to good.
Post by: miker on January 08, 2009, 04:41:37 PM
If you want some email address' pm me I'll send them along...
Post by: BAKRDS on January 08, 2009, 04:44:36 PM
Try it again.Never could spell to good.
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/legislation.htm
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 08, 2009, 08:16:32 PM
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/legislation.htm
This would effectively kill hand loading and from what I have read it mandates the turn in of all current inventories.
H.R. 1022 that is other issue
Bad times ahead
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 07:39:18 AM
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 09, 2009, 10:10:26 AM
Or drive it underground....of all the things to worry about...if they need revenue just tax it...you mean like blue pickle barrels with desiccant and 12" PVC, sealed at both ends to make them water tight - scattering scrap metal in the yard to throw off metal detectors?
Not that I have thought about that or anything ::)
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 11:09:00 AM
$22.00 clips out plinkin??? $10.00 range practice clips for the kimber or lcp?
Makes golf and fishing cheaper...
By the by Ruger did good on the LCP recall, 1 week turn around, extra mag with extender(needed even with my pudgy little hands) and a dorky ball cap. Have heated it up yet though, prolly should while I can afford it...
Post by: BAKRDS on January 09, 2009, 12:23:23 PM
some dirtbag breaking into your house with illeagle ammo.
Post by: BLM777 on January 09, 2009, 12:44:35 PM
This would effectively kill hand loading and from what I have read it mandates the turn in of all current inventories.
H.R. 1022 that is other issue
Bad times ahead
Pleased to comply ..... one round at a time ;D
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 01:04:07 PM
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 01:17:50 PM
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 01:45:02 PM
Post by: spydglide on January 09, 2009, 01:56:20 PM
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
That sure is a 'pretty' pistol, Miker......but I still see nothing wrong with my Colt .45 1911s, in different sizes for different purposes. ;) har! spyderYou're right spyder Colt makes a pretty good .45. Just not a very good cc handgun in my opinion.
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 02:14:27 PM
Sure you would it's a $1400 gun. I've owned 4 and still have a ultra cdp and a raptor II. Like most people that don't shoot 100 rounds a month if you carry a hand gun with one in the pipe and the hammer back bad things are going to happen if you need to use it in a hurry. I'm not a big glock fan for the same reason. And you're right everyone is entitled to their opinion. And mine is that nothing is even a close second for cc handgun. Extremely accurate even to a novice, lots of knock down, no recoil and keep one in the chamber and most people couldn't figure out how to shoot it if they took it away from you. Ultimate carry weapon!! 8)
Yup Lew, I will keep my eye out for one, handsome with a wood grip..
That is why I went with the lcp, like a vacation from the cdp. I felt bad dinging it up.
The lil ruger is not too bad to shoot ball out of at practice time but it stings with the gold dot.
Almost bought a seecamp but after seeing that P7M8 and hearing the testimony, let the hunt begin!
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 02:31:14 PM
Yup Lew, I will keep my eye out for one, handsome with a wood grip..Yep I feel your pain. I love the ultra cdp. Its as good looking as anything I've ever owned. Or it was until I put it under the vettes seat and the memory setting ran over the wood. Ouch!! Backstrapping will eat my hand up if I shoot it very much. The 9mm is a good round, I can get back on target much faster and without any flash at night. I wish I could find a 13 shot but the grip would be a lot bigger. One of the things I really like about the H&K it has a good size grip and long enough fo all my fingers but a short slide. And with the weird safety... try one you will love it.Especially if you like playing with guns!!!
That is why I went with the lcp, like a vacation from the cdp. I felt bad dinging it up.
The lil ruger is not too bad to shoot ball out of at practice time but it stings with the gold dot.
Almost bought a seecamp but after seeing that P7M8 and hearing the testimony, let the hunt begin!
Post by: BLM777 on January 09, 2009, 02:34:19 PM
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 02:34:35 PM
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 02:41:06 PM
It is the height of gunshow season downhere, I'll be lookin...I do not own any HK but have an open mind when it comes to firearms! ;) :DExcellent there are a few sights for the holster wear but if you see anything that looks good for cc let me know. than :bananarock:ks
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 02:43:45 PM
Post by: BLM777 on January 09, 2009, 02:47:23 PM
I have 5k through mine and still need a takedown pin, kimbers are worth it..I have a 300 winmag I used to hunt with...>1moa at 100
Custom build ?
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 02:51:12 PM
I have 5k through mine and still need a takedown pin, kimbers are worth it..I have a 300 winmag I used to hunt with...>1moa at 100Don't do much rifle hunting anymore but weapon of choice is a 7 winmag. Doing a lot more bird hunting hunting and sporting clays. Love to watch the dogs work!!
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 03:08:05 PM
I have not fired in years, prolly should when the range has the 300 meter alley open. It sits. I need a new spotting scope..
My AR was put into service hunting hogs via 4 wheeler with S&W 357 wheel 7 1/2 barrel sidearm for cutting through palm fronds, but those days down here are now waning too as the desperate need of gated communities, golf courses and shopping malls has taken much hunting ground out of the limited natural space. :-\
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 03:17:52 PM
No, but I remember custom load, I cannot recall the spec...Kimbers are custom built and a treat to own.Its the new grey hair club. Did some hog hunting up here with the new S&W 500 hunting version with the sling and such. Shot good when I didn't flinch. Then it started spitting metal at me through the break at least I thought so.........long story. anyway I don't have it anymore.
I have not fired in years, prolly should when the range has the 300 meter alley open. It sits. I need a new spotting scope..
My AR was put into service hunting hogs via 4 wheeler with S&W 357 wheel 7 1/2 barrel sidearm for cutting through palm fronds, but those days down here are now waning too as the desperate need of gated communities, golf courses and shopping malls has taken much hunting ground out of the limited natural space. :-\
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 04:54:16 PM
Post by: arcticdude on January 09, 2009, 06:35:16 PM
Post by: porthole on January 10, 2009, 09:35:03 AM
http://mactec-militaryarms.com/hkp7.html
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 10, 2009, 10:57:52 AM
A respectful disagreement from me but I am biased like a Gator alum...
That looks like a Kimber CDP, most likely the Pro size. It is the same as my new Ultra CDP but a inch longer barrel.
Very nice piece.
I love mine. My wife keeps trying to take it from me.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 10, 2009, 11:02:30 AM
Yep I feel your pain. I love the ultra cdp. Its as good looking as anything I've ever owned. Or it was until I put it under the vettes seat and the memory setting ran over the wood. Ouch!! Backstrapping will eat my hand up if I shoot it very much. The 9mm is a good round, I can get back on target much faster and without any flash at night. I wish I could find a 13 shot but the grip would be a lot bigger. One of the things I really like about the H&K it has a good size grip and long enough fo all my fingers but a short slide. And with the weird safety... try one you will love it.Especially if you like playing with guns!!!
I love my Ultra CDP. Fine shooting gun. Almost to pretty for Carry. I can shoot 100 to 150 rounds of 45acp with it and its not bad on the hands. Wife gets tired after about 60 rounds or so with it.
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 16, 2009, 04:22:34 PM
Get a hammerless S&W 38. It fits nicely inside the pocket of the HD leather jacket, or in the back pocket of your jeans. Or so I've heard.
Well, after talking it over with some friends, basically I was told to just forget that I have the gun, but if I ever really need it, remember that I have a gun. I decided to go with the one that you suggested. Model 642 Smith & Wesson 38 Special. When I went into the gun shop, I was told just what I had read online...it was the most popular on the market. Then they both showed me the ones that they carried on them...same one. I found a local indoor range that charges $5/hr to shoot there. That didn't seem like a very high price. I think I will spend some time learning to shoot it and see where that takes me for comfort with it. I always thought it would be a good idea to have at home, and I'm still not sure if it will ever leave the house other than going to the range. My father always kept one in the house, and my mother sold it after he died, never fired once. I'll at least learn how to shoot it.
I did find another range closeby that charges $12.50/hr and they have all kinds of rental guns there. It may have been a smart move to go there and rent a few different ones to see which I liked best, but that's the hindsight thing.
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 21, 2009, 11:12:18 PM
Post by: RJ749 on January 21, 2009, 11:23:37 PM
Oh no...am I getting sucked into another hobby
that's going to get expensive?
To the above YES and YES :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 12:05:32 AM
To the above YES and YES :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2:
This better not take away my money for bike parts and accessories. I guess I'm lucky though...at least I'm not into skiing.
Post by: RJ749 on January 22, 2009, 01:09:54 AM
To the Guy Who Mugged Me Downtown (Downtown, Savannah )
Reply to:
Date: 2009-01-06, 3:43AM EST
I was the white guy with the black Burrberry jacket that you demanded I hand over shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend. You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings. I hope you somehow come across this message. I'd like to apologize.
I didn't expect you to crap your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason that evening, and it wasn't that cold outside. You see, my girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol for Christmas, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh? It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head, isn't it?
I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, cell phone, and wallet with me. I couldn't have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to mug us again. I took the liberty of calling your mother, or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, and explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself some gas on your card. I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet, then I threw the wallet itself in a dumpster.
I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell. They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones. Alltel recently shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I don't know what's going on with that. I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service. I was about to make some threatening phone calls to the DA's office with it. Oh well.
So, about your pants. I know that I was a little rough on you when you did this whole attempted mugging thing, so I'd like to make it up to you. I'm sure you've already washed your pants, so I'd like to help you out. I'd like to reimburse you for the detergent you used on the pants. What brand did you use, and was it liquid or powder? I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated. I'm hoping that you'll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky.
If you read this message, email me and we'll do lunch and laundry. Peace Bro!
- Alex
Post by: LarryB on January 22, 2009, 04:46:11 AM
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 08:03:17 AM
ya but Dave, at least you don't need to use a dremel on a gun, unless you really want to.Leave it to you to hit me with the dremel again. Not only have I gotten better with it, I found out some more uses for it. Look...I can do my own dental work now...
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 08:16:04 AM
Well, I got a chance to go fire my new S&W 38 Special at the range tonight. I was glad when I walked in and saw one of my old neighbors that has a Street Glide there. He introduced me to the only 4 other people there at the time. One of the guys set up next to me and saw me shooting at the target and when I pulled the target in, he said he was a bit worried when he saw me shooting that far away with my gun. He thought that I was actually hitting the target. He told me that I was out of range for my gun and had me bring the target within range. Then I started hitting real well...I think I was at about 25 feet. He told me that was real good and that my gun was really meant for more like a 15 to 20 foot shot at most and that it was a great self defense weapon, but not much for target shooting. He knew that I just bought the gun, but had no idea that I had never shot one before. Then he started pulling out some of his different guns and had me try them. He moved the targets back out further and had me give them a try. I'll be darned, but I hit inside the target with all my shots and even hit the bullseye on one shot. Then I told him that this was my first time shooting. He told me that I was doing extremely well with no experience and that I picked a good gun for self defense and that if I wanted to get good at target shooting, he can get some other guns for me to try so I can get another to use for longer distance targets. So, what I'm saying is I found a real nice guy that was very willing to help out and he doesn't sell guns. He told me the place I got mine was by far the best dealer around this area. I don't even know what kind of guns these were that I was firing, but I quickly found out how much easier it was to aim and pull the trigger with the hammer cocked and firing single action. I fired off all 50 bullets that I had, as well as about another 30 of his. Anyway, I'm glad that I found a place real closeby that I feel comfortable going to practice. I may take a liking to this. If I do make it a regular stop, I may just have to go get myself another gun that would be better equipped for target practice. Oh no...am I getting sucked into another hobby that's going to get expensive?7 yards...so your 25' is about right for close in practice
Work a double tap with a 38, one double action, on single action if that works (you may have DA only)
also try a fire from the hip/holster - pointing/pushing with your left hand (assuming you are a righty)...to simulate you are being harassed at close range, draw and shoot while pushing an attacker way to get yourself some distance to draw/shoot.
15 yards is about the outside range for long distance on that - we do 25 yards for qual also - slow fire single action only stuff
guns are as addicting as MC's to me... AR's and AK's have been my obsession lately, I am building a Romanian "G" AK currently, it is de-milled and waiting on a new receiver, which I am bending from a flat - this is a no kidding build it yourself gun, fun!
Sean
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 08:23:59 AM
7 yards...so your 25' is about right for close in practice
Work a double tap with a 38, one double action, on single action if that works (you may have DA only)
also try a fire from the hip/holster - pointing/pushing with your left hand (assuming you are a righty)...to simulate you are being harassed at close range, draw and shoot while pushing an attacker way to get yourself some distance to draw/shoot.
15 yards is about the outside range for long distance on that - we do 25 yards for qual also - slow fire single action only stuff
guns are as addicting as MC's to me... AR's and AK's have been my obsession lately, I am building a Romanian "G" AK currently, it is de-milled and waiting on a new receiver, which I am bending from a flat - this is a no kidding build it yourself gun, fun!
Sean
I think until I get a little more comfortable with it, I'd be afraid of shooting my own left hand trying that manuever just yet. I've got to go out and get some more ammo now. It looks like there is a wide swing in prices from place to place and it's not cheap. I guess when I heard mention of ammo prices going up, I didn't pay attention, since it wasn't something that mattered to me...until now.
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 08:32:25 AM
Remember Kimbers are worth every penny and you should have (see: need) at least on black gun...AR's are very handy...
My latest "need" a .458 Lott Kimber model 8400...Stump knocker...Or the 84M in .308 or....a new 44 magnum wheel, Ruger prolly
When MOA becomes a obession, you know it is too late...
http://www.kimberamerica.com/index.php
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 08:38:11 AM
Welcome to spending money on things that go boom....
Remember Kimbers are worth every penny and you should have (see: need) at least on black gun...AR's are very handy...
My latest "need" a .458 Lott Kimber model 8400...Stump knocker...Or the 84M in .308 or....a new 44 magnum wheel, Ruger prolly
When MOA becomes a obession, you know it is too late...
http://www.kimberamerica.com/index.php
My old neighbor grabbed me off before I left there last night and had me check out his new scope...some kind of laser scope that had 4 different hologram choices. Now that was cool. He told me to let him know when I was going there next so he can show up and let me try that out too.
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 08:43:14 AM
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 08:45:38 AM
Optics are a whole other ball game...I do have a crimson trace laser on my rugher lcp 380...accurate to the 15-25 foot range...It shows you how unsteady your hand really is...But it may give more confidence in the defensive stance the Major was talkin about...Don't put the red dot on your hand.
I think I can remember that piece of advice.
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 08:49:45 AM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 22, 2009, 08:50:57 AM
And as some one else said, Kimbers are worth it. The single action on them is smooth and they are very accurate guns.
Sad thing is, at first I wanted one gun. Then I wanted another, and got it, then another and so one, and it seems the more I have the more I want.
Loved the story about the Kimber and mugger
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 08:53:14 AM
Yep shooting can become very adicting.
And as some one else said, Kimbers are worth it. The single action on them is smooth and they are very accurate guns.
Sad thing is, at first I wanted one gun. Then I wanted another, and got it, then another and so one, and it seems the more I have the more I want.
Loved the story about the Kimber and mugger
The guy that let me shoot some of his guns last night told me that guns are like tattoos...nobody can just get one.
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
You will...you will.... "Luke, come to the dark side"...
My Fort Knox Defender is 41' wide, weighs 1200 pounds and is configured to be a 15 gun easy access, that is 15 long arms(I have traded and sold some over the years)...it also holds 2 dozen handguns, ammo, documents and other gee gaws and is full. If I had the room, I'd just secure a full room and install a vault door...I have it bad...
http://www.ftknox.com/
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 09:06:33 AM
1abastarsmda the other thing...when you buy your gun safe,,, buy one so big that you will say to yourself, "I'll never need all that space"...
You will...you will.... "Luke, come to the dark side"...
My Fort Knox Defender is 41' wide, weighs 1200 pounds and is configured to be a 15 gun easy access, that is 15 long arms(I have traded and sold some over the years)...it also holds 2 dozen handguns, ammo, documents and other gee gaws and is full. If I had the room, I'd just secure a full room and install a vault door...I have it bad...
http://www.ftknox.com/
Whoa...slow down. I don't think I'm ready for that quite yet. I just figured out that you must have meant 41", not 41', but still. Right now I still only have one gun that will fit in my pocket and I've only been out to shoot it once. I think (at least I hope) that I won't need a safe like that for quite some time. :nixweiss:
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 09:06:54 AM
I think until I get a little more comfortable with it, I'd be afraid of shooting my own left hand trying that manuever just yet. I've got to go out and get some more ammo now. It looks like there is a wide swing in prices from place to place and it's not cheap. I guess when I heard mention of ammo prices going up, I didn't pay attention, since it wasn't something that mattered to me...until now.depends on the caliber...but yeah, it has gone through the roof lately...something about Jan 20th.
Reloading always and option and one that I find quite satisfying - love reloading.
You have to be totally focused, no outside distractions - very zen, your other "stuff" goes away as your punching primers and watching and measuring grains.
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 09:07:45 AM
Whoa...slow down. I don't think I'm ready for that quite yet. I just figured out that you must have meant 41", not 41', but still. Right now I still only have one gun that will fit in my pocket and I've only been out to shoot it once. I think (at least I hope) that I won't need a safe like that for quite some time. :nixweiss:
COME TO THE DARK SIDE...
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 09:08:55 AM
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 09:09:40 AM
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 09:09:47 AM
1abastarsmda the other thing...when you buy your gun safe,,, buy one so big that you will say to yourself, "I'll never need all that space"...
You will...you will.... "Luke, come to the dark side"...
My Fort Knox Defender is 41' wide, weighs 1200 pounds and is configured to be a 15 gun easy access, that is 15 long arms(I have traded and sold some over the years)...it also holds 2 dozen handguns, ammo, documents and other gee gaws and is full. If I had the room, I'd just secure a full room and install a vault door...I have it bad...
http://www.ftknox.com/
secure room is already in the planning stages for the "final house" as I call it - cinder block, wire reinforced, fire suppression with a steel door, filtered humidity controlled air in the center of the house...
yeah, I'm nuts
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on January 22, 2009, 09:10:09 AM
COME TO THE DARK SIDE....... would love to but .... I live in NY :rifle: :nixweiss:
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 09:10:22 AM
Whoa...slow down. I don't think I'm ready for that quite yet. I just figured out that you must have meant 41", not 41', but still. Right now I still only have one gun that will fit in my pocket and I've only been out to shoot it once. I think (at le :Dast I hope) that I won't need a safe like that for quite some time. :nixweiss:
41 inch wide, sorry...I need a 41 foot room... :D :D
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
.... would love to but .... I live in NY :rifle: :nixweiss:
that is the DARK STATE (also CA, NJ, CT)
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 09:11:30 AM
secure room is already in the planning stages for the "final house" as I call it - cinder block, wire reinforced, fire suppression with a steel door, filtered humidity controlled air in the center of the house...
yeah, I'm nuts
Let's just say that I'm still into my bike more than the gun.
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 09:13:19 AM
Let's just say that I'm still into my bike more than the gun.I obsess about both equally...and my woodworking also (and fly fishing, and hunting and computers and somewhere in there my kids and wife)
freaking work gets in the way of all my fun, but at least I get to ride to work...oh and I get to play with guns a lot at work also
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 09:14:39 AM
secure room is already in the planning stages for the "final house" as I call it - cinder block, wire reinforced, fire suppression with a steel door, filtered humidity controlled air in the center of the house...
yeah, I'm nuts
Hmmmm, me too....great mimes act alike....as I sip organic Honduran coffee...Fort Knox is the snizzle in vault equipment...A survivalist acquaintance in the Loxahatchee has a room, very nice...
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 09:15:45 AM
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 09:17:52 AM
abastarsmda pick upp one of these if you find one... :P
That looks more like the thing from Honey, I Shrunk the Kids
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 22, 2009, 09:21:24 AM
Post by: BLM777 on January 22, 2009, 09:35:58 AM
secure room is already in the planning stages for the "final house" as I call it - cinder block, wire reinforced, fire suppression with a steel door, filtered humidity controlled air in the center of the house...
yeah, I'm nuts
Sean .... you might want to look at some of the safe room manufacturers. We're just finishing up building our new home (last one burned totally to the ground last year .... nasty deal, especially a couple of custom .45's that melted into 1/4 inch sheets of metal that I had built for work a while back) and looked at all the options. There are several nationwide companies that deliver the finished product with very strong ratings that end up a cleaner and less costly installation. I'm going to look at a couple of finished installs and can forward you the info if you like in a couple of weeks.
Post by: BLM777 on January 22, 2009, 09:48:46 AM
Just bought a 45 cal Colt 1911 style. Made in 1950's. Never fired, still in the original box with horse hair brush and paper manual. Also it was wrapped in like a waxy type paper I guess to keep corrosion at bay. My dilemma is , should I shoot this one or should I clean it up and just keep it as a antique. I still want to buy a daily shooter, same style. Any input would be appreciated.............................Fuzz :nixweiss:
Fuzz .... that's a tough call. If you're going to keep it, I wouldn't fire it as you may want to sell it to a collector at some point. There's a strong market out there for old, original Colt 1911's and plenty of die hards that will pay whatever they can afford to own another one. You may be able to make enough on it to buy a Kimber or similar custom build that is far superior for shooting. I'm a 1911 fan and have carried one for 35 plus years, but must say that the older ones really just can't compete with the upper end new models.
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 22, 2009, 10:16:33 AM
Post by: BigLew on January 22, 2009, 10:46:43 AM
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 01:57:52 PM
Sean .... you might want to look at some of the safe room manufacturers. We're just finishing up building our new home (last one burned totally to the ground last year .... nasty deal, especially a couple of custom .45's that melted into 1/4 inch sheets of metal that I had built for work a while back) and looked at all the options. There are several nationwide companies that deliver the finished product with very strong ratings that end up a cleaner and less costly installation. I'm going to look at a couple of finished installs and can forward you the info if you like in a couple of weeks.gtg - always looking to gather information for "the compound" intended for my retirement - and the imminent apocolypse... :rifle: :rifle:
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 02:03:50 PM
http://www.hdownsrealestate.com/content/listings.html?proptype=L&minprice=&maxprice&bed=&full=&county=&state=&selectvirtualprops=1&show_listings=1&ag_id=651801&pageclicked=5&RowCount=116
Post by: BLM777 on January 22, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
gtg - always looking to gather information for "the compound" intended for my retirement - and the imminent apocolypse... :rifle: :rifle:
Will get it to you after I take a first hand look. Got to agree on the "compound"... ours is nearly finished, got the high ground on the mountain top, 90 acres, 663 yards measured to the front gate and one way in and out ..... bet it's close to the compound you have in mind.....
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 02:53:34 PM
Will get it to you after I take a first hand look. Got to agree on the "compound"... ours is nearly finished, got the high ground on the mountain top, 90 acres, 663 yards measured to the front gate and one way in and out ..... bet it's close to the compound you have in mind.....
defensible perimeter - elevation, good fields of fire, source of water...all on the list
just love calling it "the compound" :)
Post by: BLM777 on January 22, 2009, 05:39:08 PM
defensible perimeter - elevation, good fields of fire, source of water...all on the list
just love calling it "the compound" :)
Until recently, I thought it was a joke, presently very apropos! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 05:45:39 PM
Post by: BLM777 on January 22, 2009, 05:50:41 PM
Whats the signal for entry or frendlies?
Sure you want to go there, Miker ;D ;D ;D ;D?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 06:37:28 PM
Whats the signal for entry or frendlies?
hold up the six pack...
Post by: Hoist! on January 22, 2009, 06:41:02 PM
hold up the six pack...
HeHe!!! Or buy Sean lunch!!! ;D ;D ;D ;) :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 06:42:33 PM
HeHe!!! Or buy Sean lunch!!! ;D ;D ;D ;) :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:that'll work 8)
Hoist! 8)
Post by: LarryB on January 23, 2009, 05:19:41 AM
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 23, 2009, 07:31:11 AM
But don't wave the six pack around that just draws fire, plus it shakes up the beer.and it better not be Bud or Bud Light...that gets you shot in the leg
Post by: miker on January 23, 2009, 07:36:49 AM
Nevermind... :drink:
Post by: BLM777 on January 23, 2009, 08:52:08 AM
hold up the six pack...
...or a Mason jar with clear liquid... Actually, flying the Marine Corp Flag on top of the mountain functions as a self-sorting device ..... I've observed some very rapid u-turns.
Post by: RJ749 on January 23, 2009, 10:21:01 AM
...or a Mason jar with clear liquid... Actually, flying the Marine Corp Flag on top of the mountain functions as a self-sorting device ..... I've observed some very rapid u-turns.
Honor and a warning I like it :2vrolijk_21:
I'm told homes with wall mounts are broken into far less than those without..............
Post by: arcticdude on January 24, 2009, 03:13:09 AM
Post by: HogBreath on January 24, 2009, 07:02:30 AM
depends on the caliber...but yeah, it has gone through the roof lately...something about Jan 20th.
Reloading always and option and one that I find quite satisfying - love reloading.
You have to be totally focused, no outside distractions - very zen, your other "stuff" goes away as your punching primers and watching and measuring grains.
If anyone would want to get into reloading let me know. I have most everything for handloading rifles, not shotguns. Press, scales, and dies for..(Going off memory here) 223, 243, 308, 30-06, 270...maybe more..maybe less. I'd let it go lots cheaper than new. I have no idea what new is worth.
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 24, 2009, 07:27:29 AM
If anyone would want to get into reloading let me know. I have most everything for handloading rifles, not shotguns. Press, scales, and dies for..(Going off memory here) 223, 243, 308, 30-06, 270...maybe more..maybe less. I'd let it go lots cheaper than new. I have no idea what new is worth.
pm sent!
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 24, 2009, 10:33:34 PM
Bent this today, foundation for a new Romanian "G" kit I have already demilled, preparing to re-assemble
You can get the kits, no FFL and the flats same - becomes an FFL item once bent.
:)
Post by: TN on January 25, 2009, 01:26:04 PM
TN
Post by: EZRIDN on January 26, 2009, 09:42:04 AM
I honestly think that Ruger is just getting their chit together for the recall.... thats a lot of guns affected by it..
it'll come
the 110 guys should be used to this ::)
Got a note from Ruger after I sent them an inquiry about where my LCP was at....said 4-6 week delay due to replacement parts being delayed. Their website still says one week turnaround after they receive it. They've had mine for approx. three weeks now.
Post by: Steve_G on January 26, 2009, 01:50:40 PM
I've had my LCP for over 6 weeks now. -Still haven't heard back from Ruger.
Got a note from Ruger after I sent them an inquiry about where my LCP was at....said 4-6 week delay due to replacement parts being delayed. Their website still says one week turnaround after they receive it. They've had mine for approx. three weeks now.
I got my CTC laser on though, along with my De Santis Nemesis holster and Winchester Silver tip ammo.
I guess it doesn't matter that it's taking so long, seems like a small thing compared to the screwing around with my 110 motor.
Sweet little piece though. Fits nicely in my riding vest or just a jeans pocket with that holster. It's so light and compact that you barely notice you're carrying. -Perfect for ANY bar situation :drink:. (Just kidding)
Post by: miker on January 26, 2009, 01:53:06 PM
Post by: EZRIDN on January 26, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
I've had my LCP for over 6 weeks now. -Still haven't heard back from Ruger.
I got my CTC laser on though, along with my De Santis Nemesis holster and Winchester Silver tip ammo.
I guess it doesn't matter that it's taking so long, seems like a small thing compared to the screwing around with my 110 motor.
Sweet little piece though. Fits nicely in my riding vest or just a jeans pocket with that holster. It's so light and compact that you barely notice you're carrying. -Perfect for ANY bar situation :drink:. (Just kidding)
Steve, does that holster stay in place well? I haven't seen one in person to make a decision on buying one...seen 'em advertised everywhere...even on ebay.
Post by: Keats on January 26, 2009, 05:38:28 PM
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
Scary stuff....... we cannot allow this to happen
Post by: RJ749 on January 26, 2009, 11:23:15 PM
Attention, has anyone seen this?
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
Scary stuff....... we cannot allow this to happen
I got an email on it attributing it to the new admin. It ran last year in Washington and died in committee.
I imagine it will continue being pushed.
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 27, 2009, 08:17:57 AM
I got an email on it attributing it to the new admin. It ran last year in Washington and died in committee.H.R. 1022 is a bigger and more realistic concern
I imagine it will continue being pushed.
Post by: Steve_G on January 27, 2009, 12:26:45 PM
Steve, does that holster stay in place well? I haven't seen one in person to make a decision on buying one...seen 'em advertised everywhere...even on ebay.It's a pocket holster. Not an IWB or anything. I absolutely love the thing. I got mine on sale from Midway USA last month for about $15. It has a somewhat "tacky" exterior that stays in place when you draw the holster. And it has a tab that helps keep the gun from printing. I highly recommend it.
Having said that, I am still looking for an IWB holster that will fit my needs. I ordered one that was extremely well made from the Tennessee Holster Co. I sent it back. It was about 3 times thicker than the gun alone! -Not what I'm looking for.
If you haven't checked it out yet, try www.elsiepea.com
There's alot of good info there. -Steve
Post by: miker on January 27, 2009, 12:30:52 PM
Post by: EZRIDN on January 27, 2009, 01:37:27 PM
Steve & Miker...you made my decision on getting the desantis for in-pocket...thanks. Fobus look pretty good...again, have not seen one in person. Internet searches turn up so many holster & clip choices, it's hard to decide.
Post by: miker on January 27, 2009, 02:00:51 PM
I have another lcp that I like for pocket carry, prints like a wallet and is enclosed on the barrel end to keep woolly boogers out, I'll post it when I see it, crss is a tough thing to live with... :D
Post by: gg on January 27, 2009, 08:57:50 PM
Post by: Fired00d on January 27, 2009, 09:12:13 PM
I've read several of the responses on this string and wondered if those of you who actually do carry a gun while riding ever think about or get concerned about being stopped by police and what you would do if they asked you if you were carrying and decided to search you or your ride? Would that not be a situation where you'd be in a world of trouble from which there is no way to talk yourself out of unless you have some sort of permit for concealed carry that is acceptable for wherever it is that you're stopped? ThanksI would think (hope) those that are carrying and speaking of it here are wise enough to have permits to carry when/where necessary. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Keats on January 27, 2009, 09:25:01 PM
I would think (hope) those that are carrying and speaking of it here are wise enough to have permits to carry when/where necessary. :nixweiss:If they do not have a permit, they are separating bullets from gun?
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 27, 2009, 09:30:28 PM
I've read several of the responses on this string and wondered if those of you who actually do carry a gun while riding ever think about or get concerned about being stopped by police and what you would do if they asked you if you were carrying and decided to search you or your ride? Would that not be a situation where you'd be in a world of trouble from which there is no way to talk yourself out of unless you have some sort of permit for concealed carry that is acceptable for wherever it is that you're stopped? ThanksSome (many?) states have some form of a two step law - if you do not have a concealed permit, the weapon has to be two steps from being capable of being employed.
Florida used to - haven't worried about it since '93 when I got my first carry permit. Good for 38 states now.
Post by: RJ749 on January 27, 2009, 10:16:33 PM
for law-abiding citizens who need to
make an emergency call while in LA,
East Saint Louis, Milwaukee , Memphis , South Chicago, South Dallas, Houston , L..A., Miami , Detroit , New Orleans , Louisville , Atlanta , or Oakland
(r'cvd from Grover by email)
Post by: EZRIDN on January 27, 2009, 10:53:44 PM
I would think (hope) those that are carrying and speaking of it here are wise enough to have permits to carry when/where necessary. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
True words d00d...
CCW classes in our state are $125 one day classroom format (and range) taught by state patrol certified instructors. Our state permit gives reciprocity to 16 other states. This class also meets the training requirements for a Florida non-resident conceal carry perimit which covers 26 other states...just have to apply/pay extra to get that one. The CCW classes are not an easy slide through deal...you have to earn your permit. Knowledge, skill, and safety are paramount. For the price of getting a permit to conceal carry is miniscule compared to getting fined and probable confiscation. Carrying without a permit simply isn't worth it. www.neccwtraining.com
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 27, 2009, 11:41:40 PM
Post by: RJ749 on January 28, 2009, 12:47:19 AM
Can a non-resident get a permit from one of the States that are in the 33 State group with Florida?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 28, 2009, 12:54:09 AM
Washington State does have reciprocity but it is with a hodge podge of States that are not linked so it is impossible to legally carry and ride out of State.
Can a non-resident get a permit from one of the States that are in the 33 State group with Florida?
Here's the non-resident permit laws that I'm looking at: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/NonResidentPermits.pdf (http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/NonResidentPermits.pdf) and here is a handy site for researching gun laws: http://www.handgunlaw.us/ (http://www.handgunlaw.us/)
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 07:36:34 AM
Washington State does have reciprocity but it is with a hodge podge of States that are not linked so it is impossible to legally carry and ride out of State.
Can a non-resident get a permit from one of the States that are in the 33 State group with Florida?
you can get non-resident Florida carry permits, but I don't think its a full up round like my resident one...
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 09:21:27 AM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: naitram on January 28, 2009, 09:44:00 AM
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 09:46:10 AM
Post by: BLM777 on January 28, 2009, 09:56:43 AM
i wish we could have a federal standard good in all 50 like a drivers license is
At one time there was activity to add your idea to HR 218 that covers retired local, state and federal law enforcement personnel with a nationwide cc license. No political intention here, but it went down in flames after a certain party got control of the legislature. Obviously it won't be resurrected anytime soon.
For the law enforcement guys that are not aware of HR 218, you may want to contact your previous agency and determine if they are set up with the compliance regulations such as bi-annual qualification and medical statement to forward your paperwork.
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: spydglide on January 28, 2009, 10:42:47 AM
Post by: BLM777 on January 28, 2009, 10:46:21 AM
Wouldn't that be allowing the Feds too much control over States (rights)? ::) spyder
Might be 2 ways to look at it Spyder. It may be the only way to minimize the psychotic anti gun crazies in states such as NY and CA.
Post by: spydglide on January 28, 2009, 10:55:23 AM
Might be 2 ways to look at it Spyder. It may be the only way to minimize the psychotic anti gun crazies in states such as NY and CA.;D :2vrolijk_21: .......just hate to crack open that door, who knows what'll get out. :-X har! spyder
Post by: naitram on January 28, 2009, 10:57:52 AM
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 11:01:39 AM
they way i look at it MA has some of the strictest gun laws already, so in this case having a federal standard would be better for me
Or it could ruin it for the rest of us that live in states with realistic gun laws! :nervous:
Post by: naitram on January 28, 2009, 11:03:18 AM
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 11:07:09 AM
true but with all the states your stuff is currently honored in wouldnt it be nice if you didnt have to worry about the restWill not cover them all, but if you get a Utah (nonresident) to go along w/your current state of residence permit you will be surprised how many states you can carry in.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: spydglide on January 28, 2009, 11:10:49 AM
Or it could ruin it for the rest of us that live in states with realistic gun laws! :nervous:Exactly. Travel w/ Concealed Carry license is confusing as reciprocity keeps 'changing', but the States are the ones that have made progress in this 'freedom', and we'd surely lose if we 'nationalized' the process. I'm just glad to be able to 'legally' carry for the past 15 or so years in my home state and some of the others that I travel thru.....but, not about to go about un-armed in todays society in any case. Too old to run fast anymore. ??? :oops: har! spyder
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 11:18:15 AM
They are not reciprocal to Fla, the gunshime state...
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 11:26:38 AM
Post by: naitram on January 28, 2009, 11:32:38 AM
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
Reciprocity can and does change...If I have to break the law to protect me n mine there is something really wrong with that...I think anyway...
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 11:39:49 AM
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 11:42:16 AM
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 11:44:38 AM
I heard if that Florida's concealed weapons permit is recipricol with most states on the east coast, except NJ, AND MA. Is this true?Here is a map showing what states Fla has reciprocity with - Florida CC (http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf), and you can check here for other states - US Handgun Laws (http://www.handgunlaw.us/) (link from earlier post). One of the things you have to be aware of when checking those states is some only accept resident permits from some states. So if you have a nonresident permit of a state they do have reciprocity with it doesn't count if you have a nonresident permit from that state.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
I have not bought a new gun in almost 6 months...the road to recovery is not easy....I do not own a 44 mag and need one...in stainless....and a hk p2000...and....
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 12:06:27 PM
Here is a map showing what states Fla has reciprocity with - Florida CC (http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf), and you can check here for other states - US Handgun Laws (http://www.handgunlaw.us/) (link from earlier post). One of the things you have to be aware of when checking those states is some only accept resident permits from some states. So if you have a nonresident permit of a state they do have reciprocity with it doesn't count if you have a nonresident permit from that state.Thanks Dood, been wanting to do this for a while now. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 12:11:31 PM
Nice......
I have not bought a new gun in almost 6 months...the road to recovery is not easy....I do not own a 44 mag and need one...in stainless....and a hk p2000...and....
I hear ya. The wife almost fell for the " Hon I made an investment " for the one I bought last week. She dose'nt know about the Commander yet. Maybe she'll believe it's a buy one and get one sale. :huepfenlol2:
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 12:49:19 PM
Nice......
I have not bought a new gun in almost 6 months...the road to recovery is not easy....I do not own a 44 mag and need one...in stainless....and a hk p2000...and....
I've made up for you... 2 AR's and 5 AK kits, plus 2k in rounds (going to sell off a kit or two - I think), also have another stripped lower waiting with my FFL hookup
I will NOT be caught off guard like I was in '94
Post by: EZRIDN on January 28, 2009, 01:25:29 PM
I hear ya. The wife almost fell for the " Hon I made an investment " for the one I bought last week. She dose'nt know about the Commander yet. Maybe she'll believe it's a buy one and get one sale. :huepfenlol2:
Women almost always fall for the "On Sale" bit...
Post by: spydglide on January 28, 2009, 01:30:27 PM
By the way I just picked up a Colt Combat Commander yesterday.My personal favorite. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 01:38:52 PM
I've made up for you... 2 AR's and 5 AK kits, plus 2k in rounds (going to sell off a kit or two - I think), also have another stripped lower waiting with my FFL hookup
I will NOT be caught off guard like I was in '94
Holy sheep chit!! You da man. Was almost tempted to pick up a Bushmaster. Gotta let the wife digest the first two....................
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 01:44:43 PM
Holy sheep chit!! You da man. Was almost tempted to pick up a Bushmaster. Gotta let the wife digest the first two....................I got an e-mail from the wife...quote "If _ _ _ _ _ gets elected, buy guns", so I did/am.
**Names left out to protect the innocent (me).
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 02:02:47 PM
I am at idle with the kidults coming back home and clearing all my superbowl bets...
1 AR (S&W with trijicon optics), 1 Benelli M4 autoload 12 ga(with trijicon paralax optics), 1 Kimber 8400 in 300 winmag, scoped Gammo grown up .177 spring fired pellet...
1 357 mag S&W 7 1/2 barrel, 1 Kimber CDP in 45 acp, 1 Ruger LCP 380 auto. with crimson trace dot.
500 rd pitbull mag 12ga, 5k fed fmj ball 10 teflon coated mags with quickpull, 500ish 357, 45, 200ish 380 gold dot..
I need the Kimber 8400 Caprivi in .458 Lott in case of water buffalo getting loose from Lion Country Safari!
Thats my story and I am sticking with it...And the new 84M is wikit tactikool too!
No AK? whats wrong with me....??? Need to keep up with the Major!
Post by: spydglide on January 28, 2009, 02:24:05 PM
...freakin overachiever....
I am at idle with the kidults coming back home and clearing all my superbowl bets...
1 AR (S&W with trijicon optics), 1 Benelli M4 autoload 12 ga(with trijicon paralax optics), 1 Kimber 8400 in 300 winmag, scoped Gammo grown up .177 spring fired pellet...
1 357 mag S&W 7 1/2 barrel, 1 Kimber CDP in 45 acp, 1 Ruger LCP 380 auto. with crimson trace dot.
500 rd pitbull mag 12ga, 5k fed fmj ball 10 teflon coated mags with quickpull, 500ish 357, 45, 200ish 380 gold dot..
I need the Kimber 8400 Caprivi in .458 Lott in case of water buffalo getting loose from Lion Country Safari!
Thats my story and I am sticking with it...And the new 84M is wikit tactikool too!
No AK? whats wrong with me....??? Need to keep up with the Major!
Good lord... :o....you make my head spin with all those 'goodies'. I bet you had all the best matchbook cars as a kid too. I'm copying this gun list, affixing it to the wall by my 'puter and going to drool over it for who knows how long now. :-[ :P :-X :o aaaaaagh. :drink: spyder
Post by: Hoist! on January 28, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
...freakin overachiever....
I am at idle with the kidults coming back home and clearing all my superbowl bets...
1 AR (S&W with trijicon optics), 1 Benelli M4 autoload 12 ga(with trijicon paralax optics), 1 Kimber 8400 in 300 winmag, scoped Gammo grown up .177 spring fired pellet...
1 357 mag S&W 7 1/2 barrel, 1 Kimber CDP in 45 acp, 1 Ruger LCP 380 auto. with crimson trace dot.
500 rd pitbull mag 12ga, 5k fed fmj ball 10 teflon coated mags with quickpull, 500ish 357, 45, 200ish 380 gold dot..
I need the Kimber 8400 Caprivi in .458 Lott in case of water buffalo getting loose from Lion Country Safari!
Thats my story and I am sticking with it...And the new 84M is wikit tactikool too!
No AK? whats wrong with me....??? Need to keep up with the Major!
HeHeHe!!! No wonder ya can't afford a new motor! ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 02:31:21 PM
...freakin overachiever....
I am at idle with the kidults coming back home and clearing all my superbowl bets...
1 AR (S&W with trijicon optics), 1 Benelli M4 autoload 12 ga(with trijicon paralax optics), 1 Kimber 8400 in 300 winmag, scoped Gammo grown up .177 spring fired pellet...
1 357 mag S&W 7 1/2 barrel, 1 Kimber CDP in 45 acp, 1 Ruger LCP 380 auto. with crimson trace dot.
500 rd pitbull mag 12ga, 5k fed fmj ball 10 teflon coated mags with quickpull, 500ish 357, 45, 200ish 380 gold dot..
I need the Kimber 8400 Caprivi in .458 Lott in case of water buffalo getting loose from Lion Country Safari!
Thats my story and I am sticking with it...And the new 84M is wikit tactikool too!
No AK? whats wrong with me....??? Need to keep up with the Major!
I got a Rom WASR-10 I will sell ya!
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 02:33:49 PM
those are only my recent acquisitions...leave it at I need a new safe, my current one has exceeded its capacity. I also still have to go out to AZ and get dad's collection. Mom just got her new house, so I may need to make an AZ run with a U-haul return trip.
There is a Remington T-Bolt .22 and a Ruger .270 that I am particularly eager to get. (and a Ruger gold lable o/u)
Post by: LarryB on January 28, 2009, 03:03:13 PM
Post by: arcticdude on January 28, 2009, 05:41:57 PM
Fairyland (Maryland) is another that nobody reciprocates with and getting your permit there is absolutely ridiculous. You have to have been assaulted and robbed AND there has to be a police report about it. Only then can you apply! My brother was robbed at gun point at an ATM, but didn't file a police report, so he can't get a permit. Most folk just carry anyway- all the criminals do and the people that would be reasonable law abiding citizens. There has been a national right to carry bill started, but I don't remember who started it. The NRA site will have it if anybody is interested.
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
Neal,They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!
Fairyland (Maryland) is another that nobody reciprocates with and getting your permit there is absolutely ridiculous. You have to have been assaulted and robbed AND there has to be a police report about it. Only then can you apply! My brother was robbed at gun point at an ATM, but didn't file a police report, so he can't get a permit. Most folk just carry anyway- all the criminals do and the people that would be reasonable law abiding citizens. There has been a national right to carry bill started, but I don't remember who started it. The NRA site will have it if anybody is interested.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Keats on January 28, 2009, 06:14:56 PM
They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!Voting public needs to oust politicians that will not change it or sue them. In PA local Governments are to issue CP's and the threat of a law suit over a denial changed everything here. No one wanted to defend a decision to "not issue" a CP in the event bodily harm then came about.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: RJ749 on January 28, 2009, 07:13:29 PM
Right-to-Carry Reform Bill Heads to Senate Floor in Virginia!
Wednesday, January 28, 2009
On Wednesday, January 28 the Senate Courts of Justice Committee passed Senate Bill 1035 by a 9-6 vote. This bill is similar to last year’s bill that was passed and ultimately vetoed by Governor Tim Kaine (D).
Sponsored by Senator Emmett Hanger, Jr. (R-24), SB1035 would permit a Right-to-Carry permit holder to carry a concealed firearm into a restaurant, provided they notify a designated employee that they posses a concealed handgun and do not consume any alcohol.
Currently, concealed carry permit holders dining in restaurants that serve alcohol must leave their firearm at home or locked in their vehicle where it is at risk of being stolen. Despite passing a background check and possessing a state issued permit to carry, law-abiding permit holders are forced to give up their right to self-defense when dining in establishments that serve alcohol. The need for this legislation is clear.
Please contact your State Senator TODAY and respectfully urge them to support SB1035. Contact information can be found by clicking here.
You may also contact your Senator at their Richmond office at (804) 698-7410 or (804) 698-1470.
Post by: RedDevil on January 28, 2009, 07:21:10 PM
They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!A DC cop can't carry concealed in MD? That's asinine. Jeezuz, tell him to move his butt into VA then.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
:devil:
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 07:36:55 PM
Currently concealed carry is prohibited, but open carry is not...
Right-to-Carry Reform Bill Heads to Senate Floor in Virginia!
Wednesday, January 28, 2009
On Wednesday, January 28 the Senate Courts of Justice Committee passed Senate Bill 1035 by a 9-6 vote. This bill is similar to last year’s bill that was passed and ultimately vetoed by Governor Tim Kaine (D).
Sponsored by Senator Emmett Hanger, Jr. (R-24), SB1035 would permit a Right-to-Carry permit holder to carry a concealed firearm into a restaurant, provided they notify a designated employee that they posses a concealed handgun and do not consume any alcohol.
Currently, concealed carry permit holders dining in restaurants that serve alcohol must leave their firearm at home or locked in their vehicle where it is at risk of being stolen. Despite passing a background check and possessing a state issued permit to carry, law-abiding permit holders are forced to give up their right to self-defense when dining in establishments that serve alcohol. The need for this legislation is clear.
Please contact your State Senator TODAY and respectfully urge them to support SB1035. Contact information can be found by clicking here.
You may also contact your Senator at their Richmond office at (804) 698-7410 or (804) 698-1470.
J3. No person shall carry a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia; however, nothing herein shall prohibit any sworn law-enforcement officer from carrying a concealed handgun on the premises of such restaurant or club or any owner or event sponsor or his employees from carrying a concealed handgun while on duty at such restaurant or club if such person has a concealed handgun permit.
See here (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308) for "Code of Virginia" pertaining to this. However you can be asked to leave and not be served if management so requests.
Those of you in Virginia and would like to keep abreast of gun legislation here is a great resource - Virginia Citizens Defense League (http://www.vcdl.org/static/index.html).
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 07:43:09 PM
A DC cop can't carry concealed in MD? That's asinine. Jeezuz, tell him to move his butt into VA then.It sure is!!! :zstupid:
:devil:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 08:01:15 PM
Post by: hard10 on January 28, 2009, 09:33:52 PM
you can get non-resident Florida carry permits, but I don't think its a full up round like my resident one...
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html
Just out of curiosity Sean, what did you mean by this?
Post by: dmnrdn on January 28, 2009, 10:21:04 PM
http://www.nraila.org/recmap/Recguide.pdf
You can click on any of the states in this map and it will give that particular states requirements separately
Post by: springervett on January 28, 2009, 10:24:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c&NR=1
Post by: dmnrdn on January 28, 2009, 10:32:01 PM
I want to get me one of these.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c&NR=1
I am thinking about a sidecar and one of these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOyt6imlgLo
Figured I would have not problems getting someone to ride "Shotgun" well in this case "Minigun"
Post by: springervett on January 28, 2009, 10:43:15 PM
Post by: VaEagle on January 28, 2009, 10:59:00 PM
They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!Hey Fired00d,
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Have your bro-in-law check out the info on the Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act of 2004 -He should be able to carry in every state if he complies with the act.
http://www.leaa.org/218/218text.html
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 29, 2009, 08:08:07 AM
Just out of curiosity Sean, what did you mean by this?
The Resident Permit has a wider "scope?" then the non-resident one - full reciprocity etc. The details are on the link I posted a ways back.
Full up round, jargon/slang for a fully charged Arty round
Post by: icybay on January 29, 2009, 10:31:02 AM
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has change d drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson.
With Guns..............We Are 'Citizens'.
Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'..
Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attaché to the U. S.. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country.
It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns.
If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all your friends!
Post by: springervett on January 29, 2009, 12:02:28 PM
Post by: dlaws01 on January 29, 2009, 12:49:24 PM
Post by: spydglide on January 29, 2009, 12:57:19 PM
Around where I live gun control is defined as how accurate you place your round on it's intended target! :bananarock:West Tenn. is for me! :2vrolijk_21: har! spyder
Post by: arcticdude on January 29, 2009, 01:46:15 PM
Seems pretty clear to me.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 29, 2009, 10:18:27 PM
I've read several of the responses on this string and wondered if those of you who actually do carry a gun while riding ever think about or get concerned about being stopped by police and what you would do if they asked you if you were carrying and decided to search you or your ride? Would that not be a situation where you'd be in a world of trouble from which there is no way to talk yourself out of unless you have some sort of permit for concealed carry that is acceptable for wherever it is that you're stopped? Thanks
You have to know the laws of the states you travel in. I have a concealed carry permit, good in 35 states. You even need to know, some states require you to notify the officer you have a loaded gun, others do not.
Ill and WI do not honor any carry permits for example.
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 30, 2009, 07:45:31 AM
You have to know the laws of the states you travel in. I have a concealed carry permit, good in 35 states. You even need to know, some states require you to notify the officer you have a loaded gun, others do not.thankfully I have never been pulled over while carrying, but my instructions from an NRA instructor friend were always to roll down the window, both hands on the wheel if in my truck...and tell the officer that you have a loaded gun AND a permit.
Ill and WI do not honor any carry permits for example.
Results from two friends are that it ends up with you on the hood, weapon in an unloaded state and an hour or more fro the stop. Guess that depends on the cop.
On the MC I think I would do the same - short of rolling the windows down. Mine are stuck open, and he would have a hard time putting me on the hood.
Post by: miker on January 30, 2009, 07:50:19 AM
Last time I was detained, by the time the leo got close, the truck was off, windows down and papers at the ready...Never was asked about the weapon(s) so I did not volunteer anything...
I got a warning......A good ol Okeechobee County Sherriff motor officer.
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 30, 2009, 07:52:26 AM
If not asked, don't tell............Especially about weapons in the car.guess that works unless they have some reason for wanting to get in your face, then that little non-disclosure could end you up on the deck with your hands behind your back wondering what happened
Last time I was detained, by the time the leo got close, the truck was off, windows down and papers at the ready...Never was asked about the weapon(s) so I did not volunteer anything...
I got a warning......A good ol Okeechobee County Sherriff motor officer.
Post by: miker on January 30, 2009, 08:05:16 AM
Probably cause to search the vehicle would then be reason to disclose excercising my right.
Every other time I have known why and what my contribution was to being awarded bracelets.
I mostly try and avoid them, especially since they aren't home grown anymore...
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 30, 2009, 08:14:49 AM
I mostly try and avoid them, especially since they aren't home grown anymore...
BAHAHAHAHAHA, funny from a Floridian with a Boston Accent!!! :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao:
Post by: TN on January 30, 2009, 08:18:13 AM
TN
Post by: HogBreath on January 30, 2009, 08:27:07 AM
correct me if I’m wrong but the supreme court decided that individuals have the right to bear arms. No question on your property, and your vehicle is such. by obtaining a cwp permit you agree to whatever the terms are by signing the agreement. the criminal element isn’t gonna respect the gun laws. :nixweiss: How many places is it legal for the citizen to open carry?
TN
I could walk in the bank with a 6 shooter strapped to my side here if I wanted to. But, it would be illegal to hide it, unless I had a permit.
Post by: Fired00d on January 30, 2009, 08:30:34 AM
thankfully I have never been pulled over while carrying, but my instructions from an NRA instructor friend were always to roll down the window, both hands on the wheel if in my truck...and tell the officer that you have a loaded gun AND a permit.That is the best way to handle it. In Va. your CWP is tied to your drivers license so if the LEO runs DL it will come back that you also have a CWP. It's better to let them know beforehand, tell them if you are/are not carrying at the time, let them know where it is, and ask them how they would like to proceed.
Results from two friends are that it ends up with you on the hood, weapon in an unloaded state and an hour or more fro the stop. Guess that depends on the cop.
On the MC I think I would do the same - short of rolling the windows down. Mine are stuck open, and he would have a hard time putting me on the hood.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: miker on January 30, 2009, 08:35:22 AM
BAHAHAHAHAHA, funny from a Floridian with a Boston Accent!!! :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao:
I thought you'd get a kick out of that...And I do not have a wikit haad accent anymowah, 4 yeahs in Norcal and 20 down here has knocked it back a bit.
Had to, nobody speaks it outside the area...It coms back during visits to the Hub..
Post by: TN on January 30, 2009, 09:25:21 AM
I could walk in the bank with a 6 shooter strapped to my side here if I wanted to. But, it would be illegal to hide it, unless I had a permit.
to me this is being proactive. bwthdik.
i have been getting some looks when i ride my bike to work with my sawed off strapped to my back. :orange:
there are folks that shouldn't own a firearm for obvious reasons. :nervous:
its imminent
TN
Post by: spydglide on January 30, 2009, 09:30:05 AM
correct me if I’m wrong but the supreme court decided that individuals have the right to bear arms. No question on your property, and your vehicle is such. by obtaining a cwp permit you agree to whatever the terms are by signing the agreement. the criminal element isn’t gonna respect the gun laws. :nixweiss: How many places is it legal for the citizen to open carry?Not so simple. Example of the way laws vary: In N.C. it is illegal to have a pistol 'concealed as in the glove box or under the seat, it must be visable to someone walking up to the car and in S.C. it is illegal to have a pistol visable, it must be concealed as under the seat or in the glove box. spyder
TN
Post by: miker on January 30, 2009, 09:39:59 AM
Just know where you are and the rules that go with the territory... :-\
Post by: Steve_G on January 30, 2009, 06:55:55 PM
I guess her Ruger Security Six 357 is just too heavy to carry around. (Great excuse for new gun).
And guess what? -Crimson Trace has a new laser grip for it too! Perfect for motorcycling!! :orange:
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms - who's bringin' the chips?
:drink:
Post by: REGGAB on January 30, 2009, 10:29:31 PM
Post by: Plasmaman on January 30, 2009, 11:20:50 PM
Thanks, Plasmaman
Post by: VaEagle on January 30, 2009, 11:30:11 PM
You may want to talk to these people for ideas. They really know their stuff when it comes to quality equipment. Iron Brigade Armory at :
http://www.deathfromafar.com/htm/08_iba_weaponsys_bcs_ar.html
Post by: REGGAB on January 30, 2009, 11:40:52 PM
Slightly off topic but I would appreciate some input about what scope to select for my newly acquired Bushmaster Predator 20" bbl AR15 223 rifle. If any of you have something similar with scope, what do you like? What to avoid?
Thanks, Plasmaman
Wish I could help, but I'm partial to iron sights. Scopes are too finicky when trying to get on stand. One good bump and the weapon is useless until it is boresighted and harmonized.
Even more slightly off topic, noticed you were a Huey driver. Dustoff? Guns? Assault?
Really love that machine. My employer produces the UH-60 (S-70), and I've long (25 years) subscribed to the theory that when the Army turns in the the last Blackhawk, the flight crew will be picked up by a UH-1. :)
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 31, 2009, 08:40:22 AM
Slightly off topic but I would appreciate some input about what scope to select for my newly acquired Bushmaster Predator 20" bbl AR15 223 rifle. If any of you have something similar with scope, what do you like? What to avoid?
Thanks, Plasmaman
what do you want to do with it? CCB? or long range stuff?
CCB is flat out ACOG or the EO Tech (with a 4x magnifier). ACOG is the balls, good to out to about 100yds. Longer then that, I can find out from my MSgt at work, he's an AR guru.
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 31, 2009, 08:41:48 AM
Wish I could help, but I'm partial to iron sights. Scopes are too finicky when trying to get on stand. One good bump and the weapon is useless until it is boresighted and harmonized.
Even more slightly off topic, noticed you were a Huey driver. Dustoff? Guns? Assault?
Really love that machine. My employer produces the UH-60 (S-70), and I've long (25 years) subscribed to the theory that when the Army turns in the the last Blackhawk, the flight crew will be picked up by a UH-1. :)
Once you do some CCB stuff with an ACOG or EOTech - it might change. I still have a BUIS on my M4, but there is going to be an ACOG or EO Tech (Aim Point Comp4 is sweet also) on it soon.
Sean
Post by: BLM777 on January 31, 2009, 09:21:10 AM
Slightly off topic but I would appreciate some input about what scope to select for my newly acquired Bushmaster Predator 20" bbl AR15 223 rifle. If any of you have something similar with scope, what do you like? What to avoid?
Thanks, Plasmaman
Sean's got you on the right track. I'm partial to the AimPoint 4 and like it better than anything I've used. Extremely fast target acquisition and operator friendly.
Post by: MJZ on January 31, 2009, 06:17:21 PM
Post by: Plasmaman on January 31, 2009, 06:22:12 PM
Plasmaman
Post by: Plasmaman on January 31, 2009, 06:29:23 PM
Plasmaman
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2009, 06:43:20 PM
Found a new "gota have now", Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II. Anyone know of aHe!! no.. that's one nice looking piece. :2vrolijk_21:goodreason for me to stop this impulse?
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 06:46:30 PM
Found a new "gota have now", Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II. Anyone know of agoodreason for me to stop this impulse?
None that I can think of, Mark. Go for it, but allow me to tempt you even further. I don't own a Sig Sauer........yet! But when I do, and it will be this year, it will be this: http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=61&productid=233 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=61&productid=233) . I have long admired their "Mastershop" series, but they're akin to our beloved CVO bikes, except they're custom made for the individual customer. Requires much planning and saving. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: MJZ on January 31, 2009, 06:54:35 PM
None that I can think of, Mark. Go for it, but allow me to tempt you even further. I don't own a Sig Sauer........yet! But when I do, and it will be this year, it will be this: http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=61&productid=233 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=61&productid=233) . I have long admired their "Mastershop" series, but they're akin to our beloved CVO bikes, except they're custom made for the individual customer. Requires much planning and saving. :2vrolijk_21:
Damn Henry I was looking for you to talk me out this impulse buy, not tempting me to part with more $$$$$$. Stop it, I weak you know. ;D ;D ;D
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 06:58:17 PM
Ok guys, you are sending me a lot of info. I am not familiar with the items discussed. What sight does the military use today? Also in answer to the question, I flew Huey D model choppers for first 6 months in Nam and B model Huey gunship for last 6 months. You ain't shot anything untill you shoot 3.75 folding fin rockets. That is a kick in the butt. Guess they feel the same way about all of the new weapons the military has today.
Plasmaman
FFARs are fun! Great area weapon during gun runs. I had no idea they were a whole inch larger in diameter back then than they are now. M230 30mm chain chain with M149 ammunition handling system on the AH-64D Longbow Advanced Attack Helicopter is another awesome area weapon system............although given AAI Corporation's Advanced Boresight Equipment with Longbow adapters, I could turn that thing into a point target weapon in about 30 minutes. Comes in real handy during deep attacks to conserve ammo when running Robertson Aviation's Combo Pak with an additional 620 pounds of fuel and 300 rounds of 30mm. http://www.robertsonaviation.com/product/apache.asp (http://www.robertsonaviation.com/product/apache.asp)
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 07:03:23 PM
Damn Henry I was looking for you to talk me out this impulse buy, not tempting me to part with more $$$$$$. Stop it, I weak you know. ;D ;D ;D
hehehehe. I'm here to help. You know you need it, Mark. You really do NEED it. It is a "must have." It's gonna eat at you day and night until you get it, so you may as well save yourself from that pain and heartache, hop on the Nanner or Elvis, head to the gun shop and make that baby your's.
Have you left yet?
Are you still at home, Mark?
Go get it!
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: MJZ on January 31, 2009, 07:04:46 PM
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 07:07:59 PM
Can't hear you, I have my eyes closed. ;D ;D ;D
Hey Mark......(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16970.0;attach=101615;image)
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:
You know you want it!
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 07:21:33 PM
So, I'm sittin' here lookin' through this thread, and I had the Sig Sauer website called up looking at that Mastershop P220....again. I hollered for Renea. First words out her mouth were, "Does it have wheels or a trigger?"
That Girl knows me too well.
Damn, I love her! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Plasmaman on January 31, 2009, 08:45:29 PM
Plasmaman
Post by: Plasmaman on January 31, 2009, 08:50:38 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 31, 2009, 09:09:52 PM
Ok guys, you are sending me a lot of info. I am not familiar with the items discussed. What sight does the military use today? Also in answer to the question, I flew Huey D model choppers for first 6 months in Nam and B model Huey gunship for last 6 months. You ain't shot anything untill you shoot 3.75 folding fin rockets. That is a kick in the butt. Guess they feel the same way about all of the new weapons the military has today.
Plasmaman
I have used the ACOG and the EOTech...but are simply awesome. The ACOG gives you a bit more distance capability. I was putting head sized groups with an A4, full body armor, after 10 zeroing rounds - had never fired the rifle before that. We were doing combat shooting drills, walking, quick shots - prone to kneeling, kneeling to standing for my pre-deployment stuff last year, it is instinctive with the ACOG.
The EO Tech is better for clearing ops/MOUT stuff, easier to shoot with both eyes open. If I had to have one, it would be the ACOG. I intend to put an ACOG on one AR (my A2), and an EO Tech on my M4.
I am contemplating my next AR - either going to be .300 Whisper, 6.8 SPC or the SOCOM or Beowulf 40/50 cal... Struggling with it, each has benefits and detractors. I am leaning towards the 6.8 SPC...actually is a great deer round.
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 31, 2009, 09:14:28 PM
I have done a fair amount of internet searching and am finding that many of the sights, ammo, etc are just simply sold out and on back order. Our few local stores are sold out as well. I purchased the last 100 rounds of 223 in town yesterday.
Plasmaman
most shops are 12-16 weeks out for shipping... The current administration has done wonders for the gun industry. My FFL dude is up over 60% from last year.
I have 2 AK M70AB2 receivers coming in from NODAKSPUD- building a pair of Yugo underfolders - my favorite AK. Building AK's is becoming an obsession for me. Spent last weekend bending my own flats into receivers for the Romanian G's. I wish I had found out about this two years ago. Kits I am pay 250 or better for were $70 two years ago... :wall: :wall:
Post by: guitarsam on January 31, 2009, 09:20:29 PM
gs
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 09:44:07 PM
43 years and 25 pounds ago. Back when I had hair. Soc Trang Viet Nam (down in the delta). Call sign Thunderbird 3
Yep.......recognize that equipment. Nice stuff. Those 7 tube pods are great on a Kiowa Warrior. We carry 19 tube pods on the AH-64. Always hate setting rockets. Never could do it with anything other than my fingers. Dangerous as hell, but I had to make sure those things were gonna fire. Nothing worse than a rocket that wasn't set properly, then doesn't fire when commanded to do so. >:(
Post by: miker on January 31, 2009, 09:48:13 PM
and the M4 masterkey has the 6.5 amber dot acog for 25 feet of meatgrinding.
Pricey stuff but very tacticool and no batteries required!
http://www.trijicon.com/Trijicon.cfm?CFID=1948490&CFTOKEN=10915552
Post by: REGGAB on February 01, 2009, 10:21:24 PM
Here's the newest addition to my handgun collection, and the catalyst to purchase more ammunition. :)
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16970.0;attach=101523;image)
Shot this thing as soon as I picked it up on Friday, then again yesterday morning. What a powerhouse. My hand was buzzing for hours after just 50 rounds each day. Definitely not the type of gun to shoot for the hell of it, but it is small, therefore, it is easy to conceal, and packs one hell of a huge punch. Very pleased. Was a toss-up between this one and a Glock 39 (.45 G.A.P.) Ammo for that thing is very high, and it doesn't have the range of .45 Auto, so I went with the 36.
Next..........Sig Sauer P220 Mastershop pistol.
Motorcycles and pistols. It's a friggin' virus! And I got it BAD! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: arcticdude on February 02, 2009, 11:10:13 PM
The Ultra's are great pistols. I have a Covert. It shoots great. Prepare for some forearm abuse if you shoot it alot. But that will be the same for any of the compact 45's. If you put 200 rounds a week through one, you'll see what I mean.
Post by: REGGAB on February 02, 2009, 11:18:45 PM
Mark,::) :2vrolijk_21:
The Ultra's are great pistols. I have a Covert. It shoots great. Prepare for some forearm abuse if you shoot it alot. But that will be the same for any of the compact 45's. If you put 200 rounds a week through one, you'll see what I mean.
Post by: spydglide on February 03, 2009, 08:18:05 AM
Mark,'Lightweight' carry-pistols are great for 'carrying'. :) har! spyder
The Ultra's are great pistols. I have a Covert. It shoots great. Prepare for some forearm abuse if you shoot it alot. But that will be the same for any of the compact 45's. If you put 200 rounds a week through one, you'll see what I mean.
Post by: Guilty on February 03, 2009, 10:41:19 AM
(http://www.ccpos.com/hk45/P1010030-2.jpg)
Post by: miker on February 03, 2009, 11:04:34 AM
Post by: REGGAB on February 03, 2009, 10:17:18 PM
Here's 2 new pistols that I picked up recently. Both HK's are very solid shooters, cleaning and maintenance is a breeze. Even though it is the larger of the two, as a daily carry pistol I prefer the HK45 and I just wear a Pendleton board shirt to assist with concealability. I expect that during the warmer months I won't be carrying the HK45 due to it's size. It is nice to have a few pistols to choose from for daily carry. Better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.
(http://www.ccpos.com/hk45/P1010030-2.jpg)
VERY NICE! I have an H&K USP chambered in 40 S&W. Love it. It is a bit large for CC, but it is alot of fun during competitive shooting. The second worst thing that could happen to a person is killing someone, but the absolute worst thing that could ever happen to a person is having to kill someone and not having the means to do so. ;)
Post by: Plasmaman on February 04, 2009, 08:51:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbcZCD05fO0
Plasmaman
Post by: Steve_G on February 04, 2009, 12:27:53 PM
No need for a front security gate, just get one of these.I can't find one of these at my local gun dealer, but they DO look pretty cool. I'm wondering if I could pull it behind my bike on a small trailer. -Perfect for the Sturgis Rally! :huepfenjump3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbcZCD05fO0
Plasmaman
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 04, 2009, 02:40:34 PM
thankfully I have never been pulled over while carrying, but my instructions from an NRA instructor friend were always to roll down the window, both hands on the wheel if in my truck...and tell the officer that you have a loaded gun AND a permit.I have been stopped once carrying in the car. I let the officer know, as was required by law of the state. It was a short painless stop. Took no longer than any other stop, and officer let me out of the speeding ticket.
Results from two friends are that it ends up with you on the hood, weapon in an unloaded state and an hour or more fro the stop. Guess that depends on the cop.
On the MC I think I would do the same - short of rolling the windows down. Mine are stuck open, and he would have a hard time putting me on the hood.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 04, 2009, 02:55:16 PM
If not asked, don't tell............Especially about weapons in the car.That is against the law in many states.
Last time I was detained, by the time the leo got close, the truck was off, windows down and papers at the ready...Never was asked about the weapon(s) so I did not volunteer anything...
I got a warning......A good ol Okeechobee County Sherriff motor officer.
For example it is the law you inform the officer you have a loaded weapon in Lousiana, SC, NC, TX. Failure to do so can result in the loss of your permit.
TN, AL, GA, MS do not require you to notify the officer.
If your going to carry I feel it is a must that you know the laws of the states you are in.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 04, 2009, 02:56:33 PM
Found a new "gota have now", Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II. Anyone know of agoodreason for me to stop this impulse?
I have an Kimber Ultra CDP II, it is my favorite hand gun.
I say get it.
Post by: spydglide on February 04, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
That is against the law in many states.How 'bout Florida or Virginia? :nixweiss: spyder
For example it is the law you inform the officer you have a loaded weapon in Lousiana, SC, NC, TX. Failure to do so can result in the loss of your permit.
TN, AL, GA, MS do not require you to notify the officer.
If your going to carry I feel it is a must that you know the laws of the states you are in.
Post by: Fired00d on February 04, 2009, 03:19:56 PM
How 'bout Florida or Virginia? :nixweiss: spyderCan't say if it's the law to advise, but I do know that when they run your Va. DL it will show that you have CC permit. I'd much rather tell them ahead of time (and this was actually taught in one of my classes to receive a CC permit) then have them draw down on me to find out if/where I'm carrying. I've looked at the business end of a pistol before, and no matter what caliber it is when it's pointed at you it looks live a stove pipe w/a handle. :shocked2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 04, 2009, 05:22:58 PM
Post by: spydglide on February 04, 2009, 05:24:27 PM
Can't say if it's the law to advise, but I do know that when they run your Va. DL it will show that you have CC permit. I'd much rather tell them ahead of time (and this was actually taught in one of my classes to receive a CC permit) then have them draw down on me to find out if/where I'm carrying. I've looked at the business end of a pistol before, and no matter what caliber it is when it's pointed at you it looks live a stove pipe w/a handle. :shocked2:It would be interesting to know if out of State licenses tell them that you have a CCP also. I usually do follow the rules (in state), but unsure what to do out of state as the rules change so frequently it's hard to 'keep up'. Those seat-belt/DUI stops are usually so quick that I just hand them my license and move on as soon as they let me. :-X har! spyder
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on February 04, 2009, 05:51:52 PM
Saw they shot down the VA bar thing...Chit!!! >:( I thought I'd heard this morning that it passed through the house.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on February 04, 2009, 05:53:40 PM
It would be interesting to know if out of State licenses tell them that you have a CCP also. I usually do follow the rules (in state), but unsure what to do out of state as the rules change so frequently it's hard to 'keep up'. Those seat-belt/DUI stops are usually so quick that I just hand them my license and move on as soon as they let me. :-X har! spyderI would check your state laws if it's not associated with it in your home state then more then likely it will not be in Va. It's a state mandate here that ties the two together.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on February 04, 2009, 06:12:33 PM
Chit!!! >:( I thought I'd heard this morning that it passed through the house.It passed through the Senate (SB1035 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?091+sum+SB1035)) yesterday (24-Y 16-N) and is still in the House (HB1821 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?091+sum+HB1821)). Here is a good link to keep abreast of legislation concerning gun laws in Va - VCDL 2009 Legislation Tracking Tool (http://www.vcdl.org/static/2009leg.html).
....
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: dlaws01 on February 04, 2009, 06:53:20 PM
Post by: spydglide on February 04, 2009, 08:02:02 PM
Check your concealled carry permit and if it has the same number as your state driver's license number it is safe to assume that it will show up when they run your driver's license through the system regardless of which state you are in. That is how it works in TN. It is only a suggestion to inform a law inforcement officer about your carry permit and not a requirement. Personally, the only time I offered the information without being asked alarmed the cop who stopped me and seemed to make him and me nervous. Now I only say so if asked. Haven't been asked though.It IS a requirement in NC and failure to inform a LEO when approached is a misdemeanor w/ $100 fine for 1st offense w/ 2nd offense becoming more severe and loss of CCP. Where it becomes less clear is in reciprocal states as the rules seem to change and it's hard to 'keep up'. Big differences between various states in how you must act while carrying concealed. spyder
Post by: Steve_G on February 04, 2009, 08:03:52 PM
-About 20 lbs. of adipose tissue that I'm trying to work off.
Post by: MJZ on February 04, 2009, 09:23:04 PM
I have an Kimber Ultra CDP II, it is my favorite hand gun.
I say get it.
Never heard a good reason not to get it so I ordered one today. I hate that I had to order it but the gun shop I use didn't the one I wanted.
Post by: miker on February 05, 2009, 08:20:03 AM
Post by: spydglide on February 05, 2009, 09:31:09 AM
You will br happy Mark, mnatch grade barrel, shoot well and look good..I did carry the same in a fobus holster unitl I bought the Ruger LCP in 380..It is an easier carry down here carrying in the fron pocket of shorts..But I love the kimber...Kimber advertises absolutely reliability on that 3" 1911. Have you ever had any jams or problems with yours? spyder
Post by: miker on February 05, 2009, 09:39:40 AM
Post by: Guilty on February 05, 2009, 10:24:45 AM
(http://www.ccpos.com/images-8/kimber-cdp-pro-and-cdp-ultra-1a.jpg)
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 05, 2009, 01:40:35 PM
It would be interesting to know if out of State licenses tell them that you have a CCP also. I usually do follow the rules (in state), but unsure what to do out of state as the rules change so frequently it's hard to 'keep up'. Those seat-belt/DUI stops are usually so quick that I just hand them my license and move on as soon as they let me. :-X har! spyder
Here is a link that helps you find out what stats honor your permit. It will also let you know if that state requires you to inform the officer..
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_information.html (http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_information.html)
USA Carry is one of many sites that has good info on carrying
Here is another site with good info on it.
http://www.carryconcealed.net/ (http://www.carryconcealed.net/)
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 05, 2009, 01:42:07 PM
Kimber advertises absolutely reliability on that 3" 1911. Have you ever had any jams or problems with yours? spyder
I have had zero issues with my Kimber Ultra CDP II.
Just love the gun
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 05, 2009, 01:42:57 PM
The Kimber Ultra CDPII is a great conceal carry pistol. It is lightweight, easy to conceal, a great shooter and a really nice looking pistol IMO...and the obligatory picture along with my Kimber Pro CDPII:
(http://www.ccpos.com/images-8/kimber-cdp-pro-and-cdp-ultra-1a.jpg)
I want the full size CDP to go with my Ultra
Post by: porthole on February 05, 2009, 11:10:01 PM
By the way I just picked up a Colt Combat Commander yesterday.
My personal favorite. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
Mine too :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: cuthbertss on February 06, 2009, 01:06:10 AM
A DC cop can't carry concealed in MD? That's asinine. Jeezuz, tell him to move his butt into VA then.
:devil:
I am curious how Maryland Law supercedes Federal Law which in effect gives LEOs the right to carry in every state
Post by: Coolbreeze on February 06, 2009, 03:28:07 PM
I have had zero issues with my Kimber Ultra CDP II.
Just love the gun
I had zeroing issues too, but I adjusted the rear sight and my stance a little, and it zeroed right in.... Then I put a crimson trace on it and things got even better!
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 06, 2009, 05:46:15 PM
I had zeroing issues too, but I adjusted the rear sight and my stance a little, and it zeroed right in.... Then I put a crimson trace on it and things got even better!
I ment that I have had no issues. Was sighted perfect from the factory :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: miker on February 06, 2009, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: REGGAB on February 06, 2009, 07:17:10 PM
Don't really appreciate being questioned by law enforcement about my choice to travel armed when properly licensed to do so. That like asking me why I am an AMERICAN.
Post by: spydglide on February 06, 2009, 07:28:13 PM
Got stopped today. 78/60. Credentials in Tour Pak.........along with Glock 36. Informed officer. He questioned me as why I am carrying a handgun. My response, "same reason you are, and because I can." Got a ticket for speeding.I sometimes wonder when a question like that is asked .... just what response would make the officer happy? It's as if you're a suspect for exercising your right to arm yourself. Sorry 'bout the ticket. :-[ spyder
Don't really appreciate being questioned by law enforcement about my choice to travel armed when properly licensed to do so. That like asking me why I am an AMERICAN.
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 06, 2009, 07:30:51 PM
I sometimes wonder when a question like that is asked .... just what response would make the officer happy? It's as if you're a suspect for exercising your right to arm yourself. Sorry 'bout the ticket. :-[ spyder
'cause you aint doing your job and I have to do it for myself?
That might work...but I doubt it.
Cause I'm gonna go hold up a Dunkin Donuts?
Doubt that would go over big.
Hell, I'm tapped past those two witty retorts...
Post by: dlaws01 on February 06, 2009, 09:26:54 PM
Got stopped today. 78/60. Credentials in Tour Pak.........along with Glock 36. Informed officer. He questioned me as why I am carrying a handgun. My response, "same reason you are, and because I can." Got a ticket for speeding.
Don't really appreciate being questioned by law enforcement about my choice to travel armed when properly licensed to do so. That like asking me why I am an AMERICAN.
That's exactly why I don't inform unless I'm asked. Similar thing happened to me but without the ticket, just got a funny look.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 07, 2009, 09:11:57 AM
Got stopped today. 78/60. Credentials in Tour Pak.........along with Glock 36. Informed officer. He questioned me as why I am carrying a handgun. My response, "same reason you are, and because I can." Got a ticket for speeding.
Don't really appreciate being questioned by law enforcement about my choice to travel armed when properly licensed to do so. That like asking me why I am an AMERICAN.
Got stopped in the cage in Lousiana last month, 78 in a 55. LA is a you must inform the officer state. I gave him my DL and CCW and then he asked for the registration and insurance, so I said its in the glove box with my loaded pistol.
The young officer, 26 or so was real good about it. He saw my USN Ret tags, thanked me for my service, and let me go with a warning....
Post by: RJ749 on February 07, 2009, 11:35:08 AM
Got stopped in the cage in Lousiana last month, 78 in a 55. LA is a you must inform the officer state. I gave him my DL and CCW and then he asked for the registration and insurance, so I said its in the glove box with my loaded pistol.
The young officer, 26 or so was real good about it. He saw my USN Ret tags, thanked me for my service, and let me go with a warning....
Now that is a good ending :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: REGGAB on February 07, 2009, 05:22:02 PM
Got stopped in the cage in Lousiana last month, 78 in a 55. LA is a you must inform the officer state. I gave him my DL and CCW and then he asked for the registration and insurance, so I said its in the glove box with my loaded pistol.
The young officer, 26 or so was real good about it. He saw my USN Ret tags, thanked me for my service, and let me go with a warning....
Don't get much of that in a military town, since most of the populace is either active duty.........and in Huntsville, retired military. Heck, better than half the police force is retired military, so to them.........I'm just another blue ID card holder.
I was due anyway........Been about three years. ;)
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 07, 2009, 07:59:14 PM
Don't get much of that in a military town, since most of the populace is either active duty.........and in Huntsville, retired military. Heck, better than half the police force is retired military, so to them.........I'm just another blue ID card holder.
I was due anyway........Been about three years. ;)
In Jacksonville, it will GET you a ticket...
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 08, 2009, 11:49:20 AM
In Jacksonville, it will GET you a ticket...
That sure is true of Jacksonville FL....
In a Navy town you never want the LEO to know you have anything to do with the Military....
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 08, 2009, 12:09:16 PM
That sure is true of Jacksonville FL....
In a Navy town you never want the LEO to know you have anything to do with the Military....
In J Vegas NC the PMO folks ride with the local cops...
Post by: Plasmaman on February 08, 2009, 09:30:56 PM
Post by: REGGAB on February 08, 2009, 09:43:30 PM
I just can't find a suitable place on the Road King for this.
I can, but you'll lose your left saddlebag. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: arcticdude on February 09, 2009, 11:53:54 AM
Post by: Steve_G on February 09, 2009, 04:16:11 PM
I just can't find a suitable place on the Road King for this.You need the new '09 Road King. It has a higher GVW rating. :pepper:
Post by: Steve_G on February 10, 2009, 02:37:50 PM
It took only a week and a day from the time I sent it off.
-Got the Ruger hat and extra mag. And as reported the finger extentions are back ordered. I bought my gun the 4th of December in the year of our Lord 2000 and eight.
Anyway, now all I need to do is shoot the thing to make sure it's reliable. And, of course, sight in the laser. 7 yards should be about right. :huepfenjump3:
Post by: Screamin'Eagle~Sweetie on February 10, 2009, 05:42:15 PM
You men would all be wise to take note. Few of these and you might be as lucky as my husband (who I bought the new FXTSSE3 for this Christmas!)
Post by: arcticdude on February 10, 2009, 05:45:03 PM
Post by: Plasmaman on February 13, 2009, 07:14:24 PM
Plasmaman
Post by: REGGAB on February 13, 2009, 07:19:06 PM
Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.
Plasmaman
And here I am lookin' for a Bulgarian SLR in 7.62X39mm. Was gonna use Wolf........don't know of any other ammo. Is there?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 13, 2009, 07:37:13 PM
I will not use steel case ammo in my AR's.
Dillon RL550B...sounds like your next investment.
Have never heard of a round not being head-spaced correctly.
Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.
Plasmaman
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 13, 2009, 07:37:50 PM
And here I am lookin' for a Bulgarian SLR in 7.62X39mm. Was gonna use Wolf........don't know of any other ammo. Is there?Black Hills Reman...from Cabela's.
Post by: miker on February 13, 2009, 07:47:09 PM
...NFW would I use it...maybe the ak's ill eat it..
Post by: REGGAB on February 13, 2009, 07:56:19 PM
Black Hills Reman...from Cabela's.
Roger that. Thank you, Sir! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 13, 2009, 08:52:58 PM
Wolf bad....steel coating makes a yucky mess outta everything
...NFW would I use it...maybe the ak's ill eat it..
yep, most of the stuff I have is steel for the AK's...
Post by: REGGAB on February 13, 2009, 08:58:02 PM
yep, most of the stuff I have is steel for the AK's...
Sean, is the remanufactured Black Hills ammo of the steel case variety?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 13, 2009, 09:01:08 PM
Sean, is the remanufactured Black Hills ammo of the steel case variety?
negative... all brass
only steel I have is for the AK's, they chomp it w/o issue
building a Rom WASR-10 right now, bent the receiver myself, going to do all plastic and thinking about making it a side folder - even got an insert for my jig to bend the thicker Yugo receivers (scored two Yugo M70AB2 underfolder kits)
AK's are addicting.
Post by: Plasmaman on February 13, 2009, 09:03:29 PM
Plasmaman
Post by: REGGAB on February 13, 2009, 09:19:18 PM
negative... all brass
only steel I have is for the AK's, they chomp it w/o issue
building a Rom WASR-10 right now, bent the receiver myself, going to do all plastic and thinking about making it a side folder - even got an insert for my jig to bend the thicker Yugo receivers (scored two Yugo M70AB2 underfolder kits)
AK's are addicting.
Concur. The Bulgarian SLR I'm after has a folding stock. Made by the Arsenal of Bulgaria. Would like one with a milled receiver, but fear that may be out of reach monetarily. I've seen those Romanian WASR-10 weapons. CAI variety. How do you feel about those, Sean? They're relatively inexpensive.......about $400 with wood stocks. Would one serve the purpose equally as well as a SLR..........or should I hold out for an SLR?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 14, 2009, 08:40:45 AM
Concur. The Bulgarian SLR I'm after has a folding stock. Made by the Arsenal of Bulgaria. Would like one with a milled receiver, but fear that may be out of reach monetarily. I've seen those Romanian WASR-10 weapons. CAI variety. How do you feel about those, Sean? They're relatively inexpensive.......about $400 with wood stocks. Would one serve the purpose equally as well as a SLR..........or should I hold out for an SLR?WASR-10's were the rejects from the military runs, so they are cheaper out of spec guns from the ROMAK factory... Many of them were sportorized to meet the 94 ban req - no bayonet lug, non flash suppressor capable ect. The one I am building has no threads for a flash suppressor, but you can buy a tap to thread them.
I am using it as a test gun for my builds, I have a few other kits, Romanian G's and a few Yugo U/F's. Building the AR's got me started on this, it is a wicked slippery slope. The Rom G's were de-milled, many new (I have three of them - appear to be unfired).
$400 is a great price all that said, if you can get an AK for that, would do so...
Also - if you want a GOOD AK - look for a PreBan Norinko, or a Yugo - M70AB2 being my personal favorite of all AK's. Check Gun Broker.
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 14, 2009, 08:45:19 AM
Flordia, we did not accurately measure the case of the round against the others but just by eye, it appeared that the round was short which would have allowed it to move forward and the firing pin not hit it properly. Just an idea, bottom line is I was lucky and will only use the Wolf in my SKS. Apparently whatever rounds the VC had worked just fine shooting at my chopper with the SKS. Glad they did not learn how to lead and we kept getting shot in the ass end.
Plasmaman
OAL - overall length of a round is a factor in pistols, and a super long round or a super short round can cause issues...
Headspace is set with gauges and is relative to the size of the chamber and the bolt closing against it - as in you take a NOGO gauge and it should not close, or allow the bolt to go all the way home or your chamber size is too big and can have blowback - it ensures you have proper lock up of the bolt into the chamber.
I am betting it was a light load - crappy QA at the factory and was short loaded with powder.
Bottom line, glad you didn't get hurt!
Post by: porthole on February 14, 2009, 05:20:22 PM
No replacement for displacement
(http://www.vincelewis.net/50magnum/600-gun-1.JPG)
(http://www.vincelewis.net/50magnum/600-gun-5.JPG)
Post by: porthole on February 14, 2009, 05:22:40 PM
Post by: porthole on February 14, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
Post by: Bikin' Bob on February 14, 2009, 05:42:22 PM
Bikin' Bob
Post by: spydglide on February 14, 2009, 06:24:26 PM
Post by: porthole on February 15, 2009, 01:35:08 AM
http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html
Post by: Fed68 on February 15, 2009, 01:21:31 PM
Location: Huntsville
Member since: 05/31/07
CVO1: 2006 FLHTCUSE
CVO2: 2002 FLHR
Re: Do you carry? Wolf ammo sucks
« Reply #1013 on: February 13, 2009, 07:19:06 PM » Quote
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Quote from: Plasmaman on February 13, 2009, 07:14:24 PM
Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.
Plasmaman
And here I am lookin' for a Bulgarian SLR in 7.62X39mm. Was gonna use Wolf........don't know of any other ammo. Is there?
I don't use other ammo through my AR except American made. From what I've been told the other manufactures from other countries (ie Russian Wolf ammo) does not have the same standards that American manufactures are made to go by. I'm especially afraid that even though it may say noncorrosive powder on the box, that may actually be corrosive powder. I don't want to run that through the AR because of the gas tube. I may just be paranoid but I'll spend the extra cash for American ammo. I spend too much money on my guns to worry about that stuff.
Post by: REGGAB on February 15, 2009, 06:25:02 PM
Location: Huntsville
Member since: 05/31/07
CVO1: 2006 FLHTCUSE
CVO2: 2002 FLHR
Re: Do you carry? Wolf ammo sucks
« Reply #1013 on: February 13, 2009, 07:19:06 PM » Quote
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Quote from: Plasmaman on February 13, 2009, 07:14:24 PM
Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.
Plasmaman
And here I am lookin' for a Bulgarian SLR in 7.62X39mm. Was gonna use Wolf........don't know of any other ammo. Is there?
I don't use other ammo through my AR except American made. From what I've been told the other manufactures from other countries (ie Russian Wolf ammo) does not have the same standards that American manufactures are made to go by. I'm especially afraid that even though it may say noncorrosive powder on the box, that may actually be corrosive powder. I don't want to run that through the AR because of the gas tube. I may just be paranoid but I'll spend the extra cash for American ammo. I spend too much money on my guns to worry about that stuff.
Concur........wise words........especially with the price of a good Bulgarian SLR. I'm peculiar about all my stuff anyway. I do know plenty of folks though, who use the stuff, and never think twice about it. Dud rounds.........pull the slide, eject, and drive on. Not sure I'd appreciate that kind of unreliability during the defense of my home and family. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: REGGAB on February 15, 2009, 06:34:01 PM
WASR-10's were the rejects from the military runs, so they are cheaper out of spec guns from the ROMAK factory... Many of them were sportorized to meet the 94 ban req - no bayonet lug, non flash suppressor capable ect. The one I am building has no threads for a flash suppressor, but you can buy a tap to thread them.
I am using it as a test gun for my builds, I have a few other kits, Romanian G's and a few Yugo U/F's. Building the AR's got me started on this, it is a wicked slippery slope. The Rom G's were de-milled, many new (I have three of them - appear to be unfired).
$400 is a great price all that said, if you can get an AK for that, would do so...
Also - if you want a GOOD AK - look for a PreBan Norinko, or a Yugo - M70AB2 being my personal favorite of all AK's. Check Gun Broker.
After all this looking............and with my extreme addiction to quality handguns, it is evident to me that I could easily get hooked on AK/AK variants. The CAI WASR-10s I've seen.........just look like they need a little "help." Stocks could use some sanding, staining, refinishing..........probably needs to be tweaked internally to ensure reliability and accuracy.............but for $400, they're awful tempting when compared to the $1250 asking price for a Bulgarian SLR with composite stocks. Each time I get in a jam like this I start trying to apply math........and scientifically make the decision. It's not working this time. I want 'em both............but Checkbook 06 says one or the other.......preferably the less expensive one...........which isn't all bad, since it will give me something else to work on.
Getting to the point where I need a gun safe.............and a safer place to store all this ammo. If my house catches fire.........it would be "interesting." :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 15, 2009, 07:02:52 PM
Getting to the point where I need a gun safe.............and a safer place to store all this ammo. If my house catches fire.........it would be "interesting." :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:
I need ANOTHER safe... They are a huge pain in the a$$ to move, so I am waiting until we get up to VA, but I am going to need another safe for all the post election revelry that I have been having.
I am working on the assumption its easier to have two small/med safes then one mondo mofo that I cannot move.
Safe room when I get to the Final House and the compound...but that is a ways off.
Since I have all these kits, I am already sweating what to do with them as I build them. Worry about that later.
Decided what to do with my new stripped lower - AR-15 Pistol. That has to make Rom Emmanual just shiver :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Sean
Post by: hunter on February 19, 2009, 07:46:36 PM
Ain't mine - that thing would knock me on my ass
http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html
Used to have a Lone Eagle in 308, 14" brl and break with rotary (canon style) action and 6X shotgun scope. Kicked harder than a mule. Never killed anything with just target, shot 6" group at 100 yrds (I could only shoot it 2-3 times a day). replaced it with a custom 6mm PPC, what a sweet rifle.
Post by: TN on February 21, 2009, 03:08:36 PM
i can see now i need a part time job.
TN
Post by: miker on February 21, 2009, 05:09:54 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 21, 2009, 07:00:57 PM
my new weapon. :orange:
i can see now i need a part time job.
TN
sweet, like that gas block front - good choice on the optics over iron - nice to have back-up iron just in case...
Its a dark, slippery slope!
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 21, 2009, 07:02:21 PM
Good choice with the smitty TN, they are fun....I have some nice teflon clips I really don't need 12; I can send 2 or 3 30 rounders in exchange for a sand gnat hat..PM me mailing addy.. :drink:you been drinking?
Every time I go to the PX I score 2-3 more 30 rounders...if 94 reemerges they will be GOLD.
Post by: miker on February 21, 2009, 10:58:15 PM
It was a big day today, put led light strips in the safe...and they light up...just on a button switch for now, I don't know if I want a door switch to turn them automatically like.
I like my benelli mostly and have yet tired of buying the schmorgasboard of ammo available for 12 ga...combo slug/00 and other widgets for it...One of those cool touch pad led blind light thingies....and a folding(ahem)stock(ahem).... :drink:
Post by: springervett on February 21, 2009, 11:11:15 PM
Yesh I have been...A gift for TN and an excuse to get some other styles..for me 6-8 of these slick ones otter do it, I can reload em quick with the hand loader framis.
It was a big day today, put led light strips in the safe...and they light up...just on a button switch for now, I don't know if I want a door switch to turn them automatically like.
I like my benelli mostly and have yet tired of buying the schmorgasboard of ammo available for 12 ga...combo slug/00 and other widgets for it...One of those cool touch pad led blind light thingies....and a folding(ahem)stock(ahem).... :drink:
Anyone else having a hard time trying to find small rifle primers?
Post by: porthole on February 21, 2009, 11:13:14 PM
my new weapon. :orange:
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16970.0;attach=104655;image)
Sweet, and everything about it is illegal in New Jersey :nixweiss:
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 22, 2009, 07:09:47 AM
Sweet, and everything about it is illegal in New Jersey :nixweiss:NJ, NY, CA, Conn, shave off the bayonet lug for MA
Short list of states I can never take orders to
Post by: REGGAB on February 22, 2009, 07:21:04 AM
NJ, NY, CA, Conn, shave off the bayonet lug for MA
Short list of states I can never take orders to
Ah........the Sweet, Sweet South. :2vrolijk_21:
That Bulgarian got away from me.........that what I get for holding out. Just not sure about those WASR-10s........sorta raggedly, but I suppose therein lies the challenge.....make it slick and sharp. That milled receiver on that SLR sure was nice though.
I could very easily get wrapped up in that hobby. Next thing you know I'd have a collection different AK variants and another closet full of nothing but 7.62X39mm. All it would take would be just one purchase.
Maybe............after I pay this year's tax bill.............maybe. :-\
Post by: BADBUD on February 22, 2009, 08:25:04 AM
I have a question. I have a buddy that has three pre ban colt ar's. I believe they are h-bar flat tops, or something like that. My ? is, what is one of these things worth, or what would be a GOOD DEAL on one of these?
Bud
Post by: spydglide on February 22, 2009, 08:57:28 AM
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 22, 2009, 12:58:19 PM
Ah........the Sweet, Sweet South. :2vrolijk_21:
That Bulgarian got away from me.........that what I get for holding out. Just not sure about those WASR-10s........sorta raggedly, but I suppose therein lies the challenge.....make it slick and sharp. That milled receiver on that SLR sure was nice though.
I could very easily get wrapped up in that hobby. Next thing you know I'd have a collection different AK variants and another closet full of nothing but 7.62X39mm. All it would take would be just one purchase.
Maybe............after I pay this year's tax bill.............maybe. :-\
Get a Yugo or a Norinco (pre-ban)...best bets.
Or jump head first like I did and build your own. Pressed the barrel out of my practice WASR last night, and going to work on the rest of the de-mil then I will start putting it together.
Sean
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 22, 2009, 01:00:19 PM
Hey Guy's,
I have a question. I have a buddy that has three pre ban colt ar's. I believe they are h-bar flat tops, or something like that. My ? is, what is one of these things worth, or what would be a GOOD DEAL on one of these?
Bud
depends, but you are looking at upwards of 1500 or more depending on condition and past use...
Check out gunbroker.com and you can get an idea of what the market is supporting - much higher then it should
Pre-ban aint the magic it was since the ban lapsed few years back, you can get "pre-ban" stuff now (for now at least).
Post by: hunter on February 23, 2009, 11:35:56 AM
Anyone else having a hard time trying to find small rifle primers?
I might be able to get you some Federal Bud, let me know.
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: JohnT. on February 23, 2009, 11:58:32 AM
My pick for traveling, and carrying, is the Seecamp LWS .32 .. Fits in the pocket easily, practically disappears in any of the 3 FL's hard luggage bags, and easy and safe to carry loaded. Been carrying one of these for several years now. For up close and personal, this is the chit. If I'm traveling she's somewhere close, either me pocket or stashed
in my hard bags somewhere, with an extra clip for good measure.. Better safe than sorry.. Watch out scumbags!! I refuse to be a victim!!
Post by: LarryB on February 23, 2009, 12:23:50 PM
Post by: porthole on February 23, 2009, 12:27:20 PM
http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=14651&aid=19
Post by: JohnT. on February 23, 2009, 12:46:04 PM
LarryB, To me the .32 model seems just right. At its typical engagement range, 7ft or less, your going to do serious damage with the .32, with minimal recoil.
Which means follow-up shots are fast and on target. Very easy to shoot and engage targets at this range with nice groups(head and neck area) for a gun of this
size, with no sights. .380 will recoil alot more, so groups probably will not be as good, plus gun will require recoil spring replacement after while, whereas the
.32 should not require any maintenance other than a good cleaning. Try your local gun dealer, they should be able to get you one, $500-$600 range..One of the
better investments in my opinion.. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 23, 2009, 01:10:49 PM
My pick for traveling, and carrying, is the Seecamp LWS .32 .. Fits in the pocket easily, practically disappears in any of the 3 FL's hard luggage bags, and easy and safe to carry loaded. Been carrying one of these for several years now. For up close and personal, this is the chit. If I'm traveling she's somewhere close, either me pocket or stashed
in my hard bags somewhere, with an extra clip for good measure.. Better safe than sorry.. Watch out scumbags!! I refuse to be a victim!!
can you get them now? Remember when they were tough to get a hold of.
Post by: JohnT. on February 23, 2009, 08:21:50 PM
Post by: spydglide on February 23, 2009, 08:27:40 PM
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 24, 2009, 10:39:27 AM
Anyone tried these?
Post by: miker on February 24, 2009, 10:52:24 AM
Post by: Bikin' Bob on February 24, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but it is always a good refresher.
http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=14651&aid=19
Porthole -- thanks for posting that link. I hadn't seen it before, and she does nail it in the end. My wife and I were at the firing range this weekend competing against each other as to who could get the most in the target chest area. She beat me by 1 round.
Bikin' Bob
Post by: Resbiker on February 26, 2009, 07:53:04 PM
Know your state to state rules....if you have a CWP, it helps, but DO NOT ever show. You do not have to reveal or volunteer the fact that you carry to law enforcement in most states. Trouble is, up here in Montana, although we don't have a lot of highway trouble, you can't carry into Canada, and for
those of us who used to go to Mexico, can't carry there either. So, in going state to state to those countries, you've got to leave it home or with a friend in a border state.
Concealed really does mean concealed. :-X
Post by: REGGAB on February 26, 2009, 09:20:46 PM
From: Morris, James F SIK
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:01 PM
To: Labiche, Henry M. SIK
Subject: SAFETY RECALL NOTICE>>>>Walther pistol
IMPORTANT SAFETY RECALL NOTICE - February 20, 2009
PRODUCT:
Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols
DESCRIPTION OF THE HAZARD:
Smith & Wesson has identified a condition that may exist in certain PPK and PPK/S pistols which may permit a round to be discharged without the trigger being pulled. When the manual safety is disengaged, Smith & Wesson's Product Engineering Group has determined that the possibility exists in certain firearms that lowering the hammer may cause a chambered round to fire.
DESCRIPTION OF THE PRODUCT INVOLVED:
This recall applies to all Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols manufactured by Smith & Wesson from March 21, 2002, until February 3, 2009. The Serial Numbers of the pistol subject to this recall are as follows:
0010BAB - 9999BAB
0000BAC - 9999BAC
0000BAD - 9999BAD
0000LTD - 0499LTD
0001PPK - 1500PPK
0000BAE - 9999BAE
0000BAF - 9999BAF
0001WLE - 0459WLE
0000BAH - 9999BAH
0000BAJ - 9999BAJ
0000BAK - 9999BAK
0026REP - 0219REP
0000BAL - 5313BAL
0000BAM - 1320BAM
REMEDY/ACTION TO BE TAKEN:
STOP USING YOUR PISTOL AND RETURN IT TO SMITH & WESSON AT ONCE.
Any unintended discharge of a firearm has the potential for causing injury, and we ask that you stop using your pistol immediately.
To facilitate the repair of your pistol, please contact Smith & Wesson's customer service department to receive instructions for the return of your pistol to Smith & Wesson.
When you return your pistol to Smith & Wesson, we will replace the existing hammer block feature with a new part at no cost to you. Your firearm will be returned as quickly and efficiently as possible.
VERIFICATION OF CORRECTIVE ACTION:
When your pistol is returned, you should note a punch dot which appears at the back of the frame. See the photograph below.
Punch Dot
This marking is verification that the new hammer block has been installed and that your pistol is safe to handle.
CONSUMER CONTACT:
To receive a UPS pre-paid billable stamp and shipping instructions to arrange for the modification of your pistol click here or contact Smith & Wesson directly at 1-800-331-0852.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS RECALL, PLEASE CONTACT SMITH & WESSON AT
1-800-331-0852 or email us at PPK_S@smith-wesson.com.
Post by: TN on February 27, 2009, 09:50:37 AM
Absolutely! Mostly when I have my wife with me. (357 SigSauer, maybe a .38 police, maybe my M-1 carbine with 30 round clips if I'm in Arizona!
Know your state to state rules....if you have a CWP, it helps, but DO NOT ever show. You do not have to reveal or volunteer the fact that you carry to law enforcement in most states. Trouble is, up here in Montana, although we don't have a lot of highway trouble, you can't carry into Canada, and for
those of us who used to go to Mexico, can't carry there either. So, in going state to state to those countries, you've got to leave it home or with a friend in a border state.
Concealed really does mean concealed. :-X
gun laws in yer state is pro. :2vrolijk_21:
along with alot of other laws.
again, the criminal isn't gonna respect gun laws.
TN
Post by: 03glide120 on March 02, 2009, 08:31:23 PM
Post by: Decano on March 02, 2009, 10:29:16 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 03, 2009, 03:55:14 PM
Bought a Kimber Ultra Carry II on Saturday.
How do you like it.
I got a Kimber Ultra CDP II in Dec. I love the gun.
Post by: OhioDave on March 03, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
Post by: IRyde on March 03, 2009, 10:10:35 PM
Post by: mrmagloo on March 03, 2009, 10:16:22 PM
How do you like it.I saw a mint 5" Kimber Raptor that only had a couple of clips through it today for $850. Unfortunately, it's sitting on a non-secured 5 day layaway, so I gotta pray the guy backs out! I just love the detail on that thing. Just wish it had a lower rail.
I got a Kimber Ultra CDP II in Dec. I love the gun.
Post by: 03glide120 on March 08, 2009, 10:35:55 PM
Post by: naitram on March 08, 2009, 10:37:35 PM
plan on going again tomorrow, seems like more fun then going to work
Post by: Guilty on March 09, 2009, 12:14:53 AM
I also introduced my brother to my HK45 and I can't say enough positive things about that gun, it is simply awesome. I expect my brother to be picking up one of the HK45's immediately and probably a HK P30 after that.
I still like to carry my Kimbers when I have the need for more discreet conceal carry but I prefer the HK45 hands down for my daily carry, it is more accurate, has less recoil, carries 10 rounds and is a most excellent pistol.
My 11 year old daughter was shooting her new Kimber K-22 with a Leupold Vari-X II 4x12 for the first time today and she shot a jagged hole in the target from 25 yards, she was loving life today! We were on the pistol range so 75 feet is the furthest away that we had the opportunity to shoot the Kimber. We plan on taking it to the rifle range in the next week or two and testing accuracy out at 100-200 yards.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 09, 2009, 09:39:58 AM
Finally went to gun range today. I put 150 rounds of brass through my Kimber. Failed to reload it self twice. Need more brass.
That seems to be pretty normal for Kimbers. Kimber says 500 rounds are needed to break the gun in.
With my Ultra CDP, I had 3 failure to loads in the first 300 rounds. In the second 300 rounds I have had no issues.
Post by: miker on March 09, 2009, 09:45:23 AM
I have found anyway...
My new carry, the lcp, only has 200 through it, a nasty stinger but nice and samll.
Post by: Jock on March 09, 2009, 09:14:41 PM
took the wife out today put 150 rds through the glock 27
plan on going again tomorrow, seems like more fun then going to work
As I think about about it...anything beats work for me!
I am checking out an indoor range for the first time last weekend...plan to go soon as the outdoor range is too far...
Post by: naitram on March 09, 2009, 09:19:07 PM
not long range but it is a sub-compact Length barrel not intended for 30 yard trick shots
Post by: porthole on March 09, 2009, 09:22:30 PM
Fastest shot in the world
http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/
Post by: Screamin on March 09, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
Fastest shot in the world
http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/
Holy chit
Post by: mrmagloo on March 10, 2009, 11:06:56 PM
Post by: 1711tab on March 10, 2009, 11:16:40 PM
If so, what do you do when you travel?
:indian_chief:
Kimber CDP Ultra Carry with Black Talons... Where I go it goes as I have Utah, Florida, Nevada and Arizona CCW permits...
Post by: REGGAB on March 10, 2009, 11:49:23 PM
Fastest shot in the world
http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/
Goodness! OK......he's good! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: TN on March 11, 2009, 08:35:11 AM
Fastest shot in the world
http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/
i don't even think that fast. pretty good with a single action. good with anything. :orange:
TN
Post by: Fired00d on March 11, 2009, 08:42:53 AM
Fastest shot in the worldThat was impressive. Speaking of that check this guy out...
http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1drgmqqyuQ
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Coolbreeze on March 12, 2009, 04:40:34 PM
Post by: TN on March 29, 2009, 03:39:16 PM
my neighbors know when i acquire a new gun. :rifle:
TN
Post by: LarryB on March 29, 2009, 04:43:51 PM
Post by: spydglide on March 29, 2009, 05:27:11 PM
Post by: miker on March 29, 2009, 06:34:53 PM
some more home defense. :orange:
my neighbors know when i acquire a new gun. :rifle:
TN
That barrel has a few inches to give up...
Post by: miker on March 29, 2009, 06:36:07 PM
Post by: TN on March 30, 2009, 08:31:36 AM
That barrel has a few inches to give up...
i bet that bitch would have a lil kick to it. :coolblue:
wouldn't even notice it in the heat of the moment.
TN
Post by: sadunbar on April 03, 2009, 09:17:33 PM
gun safety video....
Post by: TN on April 04, 2009, 07:45:47 AM
http://www.break.com/index/bulletproof-vest-test-goes-wrong.html
gun safety video....
its a wonder these kinda folks make it to adulthood. :nixweiss:
hate to think whats next for them.
TN
Post by: Sean M Cary on April 04, 2009, 08:16:18 AM
its a wonder these kinda folks make it to adulthood. :nixweiss:
hate to think whats next for them.
TN
did you see the Vol's sticker on the truck?
Post by: TN on April 04, 2009, 07:40:49 PM
did you see the Vol's sticker on the truck?
i bet ya the front plate on the truck is a gator head.
:orange:
TN
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 12, 2009, 06:09:10 AM
Legislators Raid CCW Trust Fund - Try to Intimidate Governor
DATE: May 11, 2009
TO: USF & NRA Member and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President
In a last minute sneak attack on gun owners, the Florida Legislature raided the concealed weapons and firearms licensing trust fund. This not only effects resident CCW license holders, but non-resident Florida license holders as well!
They took $6 million from the Division of Licensing Concealed Weapons and Firearm Trust Fund that is intended, by law, to be used solely for administering the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program. (Read background information below)
Please Call, Fax, or Email Governor Charlie Crist IMMEDIATELY, and ask him to veto the $6 Million trust fund sweep from the Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services Division of Licensing authorized under Section 59 of the Conference Report of SB-2600.
Please send your email today!!!!!
And/or please contact the Governor's office by phone or fax ASAP.
Phone number: (850) 488-4441 or (850) 488-7146
Fax number: (850) 487-0801
Send your email to the Governor at this address: Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com
BACKGROUND:
Right now, the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program is backlogged and overloaded, due in part, to the refusal of budget officials and the Legislature to allow the Division of Licensing to use its own trust fund money to hire more employees and expand/upgrade equipment.
Crates of unopened mail containing license and license renewal applications sit in storage. The backlog of mail sitting unopened, at times, has extended beyond 90 days while existing licenses are expiring because renewal applications haven't been opened and processed.
Currently (although the Division of Licensing has been working weekend shifts to clear the backlog), it is taking 13-14 weeks to process a "perfect" application once it has been opened. That is an unequivocal violation of the law that requires issuance or denial of a license by a specific time –– a violation of law that legislative leaders are condoning by their actions.
THE LAW REQUIRES THE DIVISION OF LICENSING TO ISSUE A LICENSE WITHIN 90 DAYS OF RECEIPT OF THE APPLICATION -- or deny the license "for cause", based upon the criteria set forth in the law. Theft of operating funds by the Legislature is not "just cause" for failure to issue licenses or renewals within 90 days.
While applications sit gathering dust, legislative leaders took $6 million of approximately $8 million held in the trust fund. That $6 million is supposed to be used to pay employees, buy upgraded equipment, upgrade or replace computers or software and to otherwise administer the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program.
BUT, feigning a desperate need for funds for education and health care, legislative leaders recklessly and ruthlessly confiscated trust fund money. Why? Because they were building a so-called "working capital" fund for the 2010-12 legislative term, reported now to be in the neighborhood of $1.8 BILLION DOLLARS. This so-called "working capital fund" is for the use of future legislative leaders.
They didn't take that money for education. They didn't take that money for health care. They didn't take that money to save jobs. They didn't take that money to avoid pay cuts, or budget cuts -- they took the money to help build their own fund.
While Senate leadership reportedly fought to stop the ruthless raids on trust funds, in the end, they simply caved and let the House of Representatives prevail.
The bad behavior doesn't end there.
Obviously fearing the Governor would use his line-item veto to stop trust fund raids, proviso language was inserted in the bill in a clear attempt to intimidate the Governor.
The proviso language, states that if any portion of the moneys swept from this and other trust funds does not become law (meaning it is vetoed), that portion of the money shall be deducted from the EDUCATION BUDGET. This is clearly designed to keep the Governor from vetoing trust fund sweeps, and prevent trust fund money from being taken back out the House leadership's so-called "working capital" fund.
Money in the concealed weapons trust fund came from gun owners. No money to administer and run the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program has ever come from general revenue, or any other state fund or revenue source. The taking of these gun owner user fees is an unauthorized tax on the exercise of the Second Amendment.
AGAIN, Please call, fax and email Governor Crist IMMEDIATELY, and ask him to veto the $6 Million raid on the Concealed Weapons & Firearms Trust Fund!
Send your email to the Governor at this address: Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com
Please send your email today!!!!!
Post by: hard10 on July 09, 2009, 11:06:53 PM
Post by: LarryB on July 10, 2009, 07:13:46 AM
did you order direct from Seecamp
Post by: spydglide on July 10, 2009, 07:20:31 AM
Post by: muddypaws on July 10, 2009, 07:36:16 AM
Post by: BigLew on July 10, 2009, 08:34:39 AM
BigLew
:worthless:
Post by: miker on July 10, 2009, 08:51:34 AM
My next ar platform is ar10, Armalite if I can afford it. But .308 is now cheaper than good Lake City xm5.56, saw plenty coming back to our gun show recently, which is good but expensive!
Disclosure: My AR is a S&W, it eats ball ammo readily and fires the x really well. I likey!
Post by: BigLew on July 10, 2009, 08:56:55 AM
Post by: miker on July 10, 2009, 09:04:19 AM
Post by: miker on July 10, 2009, 09:07:37 AM
Post by: JeffsHogPen on July 10, 2009, 09:58:23 AM
Post by: Muley on July 10, 2009, 10:33:01 AM
The state of Virginia passed a bill so you can get your permit to carry on the internet. That is our goverment doing what they do best. Screw up.
How is making it easy to get your carry permitt a screw up? An armed society is a polite society.
Post by: Sean M Cary on July 10, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
just look for something in a good ar pistol. This "world" is greek to me. Now handguns and shotgun I'm good at!
Build one...
I have a Delton (DTI) Lower and am waiting on my Rock River Arms 7.5" upper...ordered in March to arrive. I have an Ace Buffer and a DPMS lower kit all ready for my upper to arrive.
You can score uppers on Gun Broker in the 500-700 range.
I have built two already an M4 and an A2. AR's are a blast to build and you really don't "NEED" any special tools - you can do it with common hand tools.
But what fun is that.
Post by: Sean M Cary on July 10, 2009, 01:42:20 PM
How is making it easy to get your carry permitt a screw up? An armed society is a polite society.
I was thinking the same thing - you still have to go through the same background checks... What difference would be doing it through the mail or on-line matter?
If everyone carried a weapon, not many crooks would be bold enough to attack and hurt other folks
Peace through superior firepower...?
Post by: Sean M Cary on July 10, 2009, 01:43:48 PM
colt, dpms..many good platforms to make an AR pistol, make sure of the legalities in your state regarding sbr's...short barrel rifles or AR pistols
Pistols are legal as long as you don't have a stock - if you want a SBR you can pay for a tax stamp/ticket to own it, think its $300 to own.
AR-15.com has an entire thread dedicated to AR Pistols...lots of sexy AR porn
Post by: Sean M Cary on July 10, 2009, 01:47:12 PM
The state of Virginia passed a bill so you can get your permit to carry on the internet. That is our goverment doing what they do best. Screw up.
so doing it via the mail is better?
same background checks, same requirements to have a concealed permit - if you can do it via an on-line method how is that a screw up?
tons of folks are killed by dumbass drivers - they were able to renew their license on-line, should that stop also?
make it easier not harder
Post by: hard10 on July 10, 2009, 04:32:48 PM
Christmas in july!!
did you order direct from Seecamp
Ordered this one ( :D :D :D) from a stocking dealer in TX. FedEx just delivered it and I have to go over and fill out the paperwork. Another dealer I know has the next two consecutive serial numbers. NO, I'm not buying all three! This "hobby" is getting as expensive as the CVO.
(http://www.seecamp.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/LWS32_Complete.jpg)
Post by: LarryB on July 10, 2009, 05:47:41 PM
We got a tour bus leaving tonight for beaufort. A band from here is playing there this weekend, Little Big Town. and a showcase for a new act, guy named Dean.
Post by: spydglide on July 10, 2009, 09:09:34 PM
Ordered this one ( :D :D :D) from a stocking dealer in TX. FedEx just delivered it and I have to go over and fill out the paperwork. Another dealer I know has the next two consecutive serial numbers. NO, I'm not buying all three! This "hobby" is getting as expensive as the CVO.AJ, that Seecamp's looking good! I remember reading somewhere that they just love :-* Winchester Silver Tip hollowpoints! Feed & eject them like they were made for ea. other.....much better than other ammo. That was awhile back, so the pistols or ammo might have changed. What's the 'out-the-door-AJ-deal' price for these babies? :nixweiss: spyder
(http://www.seecamp.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/LWS32_Complete.jpg)
Post by: hard10 on July 10, 2009, 09:58:36 PM
ya gotta give me the info so I can hook one up too.
We got a tour bus leaving tonight for beaufort. A band from here is playing there this weekend, Little Big Town. and a showcase for a new act, guy named Dean.
Who's got Larry's cell # ? ???
Post by: hard10 on July 10, 2009, 10:08:25 PM
AJ, that Seecamp's looking good! I remember reading somewhere that they just love :-* Winchester Silver Tip hollowpoints! Feed & eject them like they were made for ea. other.....much better than other ammo. That was awhile back, so the pistols or ammo might have changed. What's the 'out-the-door-AJ-deal' price for these babies? :nixweiss: spyder
The Seecamp will only fire Gold Dot or Silvertips. For ball ammo, Winchester Q4255. OTD $ was 475 plus $30 fee on my end for "transfer fees".
Post by: hard10 on July 10, 2009, 10:23:58 PM
ya gotta give me the info so I can hook one up too.
We got a tour bus leaving tonight for beaufort. A band from here is playing there this weekend, Little Big Town. and a showcase for a new act, guy named Dean.
www.bftwaterfestival.com
Concert in the Park
Sponsored by Country 106.9 FM
Entertainment featuring Little Big Town
8 p.m. - Midnight, Waterfront Park
NO STROLLERS ALLOWED
Admission $25, Buy Now!
limited advance tickets available online
I was going to watch it from the boat (closer to the stage and less people ;D). Somebody's got to have Larry's #.
Spoke to Chief today and he and Mohota are not coming down this year. :( Too much to do.
Post by: Resbiker on July 16, 2009, 12:29:55 PM
The hassle, is, you have to leave your piece locked up in the scoot in order to stop for a beer now & then.
What do some of you on the Canada or border states do regarding carrying? Is there any way to check your piece somewhere on the USA side, ride Canada (buy your bear spray!), then pick up coming back? Forget Mexico, I'm done with that.
Hey! I just thought of a new business! Check your gun at ResBiker's Secure Gunsafe, will store and/or transfer to an affiliate somewhere else. Hmmm, wonder what you'd have to do with the BATF to get that going? Oh, well...
Post by: StrokedRider on July 29, 2009, 12:10:27 PM
In AZ we can carry even though i have a CCW permit. No point in lettin' em' know i am prepared.
Reciprocity is an issue when traveling. Does your Ol' Lady have a purse??!!!! And does she have pretty titties just in case??!!!!!
Post by: MD-Dave on August 11, 2009, 04:04:45 PM
Post by: Fired00d on August 11, 2009, 04:13:43 PM
When I saw this thread I thought of a video I had seen on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBhY6gphFLA:ROFLOL: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: LarryB on August 11, 2009, 05:44:32 PM
Post by: vtyanqui on August 11, 2009, 05:57:47 PM
Post by: Hoist! on August 11, 2009, 06:01:14 PM
Hoist! :coolblue:
Post by: Sean M Cary on August 11, 2009, 08:58:13 PM
In the Communist City of New York, with Comrade Bloomberg leading us, WE CAN'T HAVE EM!!! ONLY CRIMINALS GET THE GUNS!!! >:( >:( >:(
Hoist! :coolblue:
ah...so move?
Post by: REGGAB on August 11, 2009, 09:03:57 PM
When I saw this thread I thought of a video I had seen on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBhY6gphFLA
If I did that.......well.......we ain't got no dog house, so I guess I'd either be allowed to sleep in the garage or the bike trailer. Either way, I'd pay dearly, especially since Renea knows handguns better than I do. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: REGGAB on August 11, 2009, 09:19:59 PM
Post by: naitram on August 11, 2009, 09:32:50 PM
If I did that.......well.......we ain't got no dog house, so I guess I'd either be allowed to sleep in the garage or the bike trailer. Either way, I'd pay dearly, especially since Renea knows handguns better than I do. :2vrolijk_21:
if i did that i think a round would find its way into the chamber :nervous:
Post by: REGGAB on August 11, 2009, 09:43:05 PM
if i did that i think a round would find its way into the chamber :nervous:
ZACKLY. :nervous: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: skydiverbob on October 25, 2009, 11:59:49 AM
.MY that's a big one. How do you fire that? In a vise?
Post by: smkymtnboy on October 26, 2009, 05:42:57 PM
Post by: Fireguy on October 27, 2009, 03:44:22 PM
Post by: OhioDave on October 27, 2009, 04:27:43 PM
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on October 27, 2009, 04:48:40 PM
Post by: Fireguy on October 27, 2009, 08:29:32 PM
Post by: hard10 on October 27, 2009, 08:49:42 PM
This is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. At least in the most liberal state of california, if you are caught with any fire arms without being a law officer or a concealed weapons permit, you are headed for trouble. Just some food for thought.
I don't think anyone is taking the Second Amendment lightly. I think the topic of the thread was merely whether or not you carried a weapon, legally.
Post by: Sean M Cary on October 28, 2009, 06:34:47 AM
This is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. At least in the most liberal state of california, if you are caught with any fire arms without being a law officer or a concealed weapons permit, you are headed for trouble. Just some food for thought.
Which is the PRIMARY reason I will never accept orders to a state that would not let me carry a weapon and would require me to get rid of or have someone hold about a dozen of my favorite rifles.
California (and NY, NJ, CONN, MASS) can keep their stupid rules and gun control paranoia, I'll stay out.
Post by: faceracer on December 07, 2009, 02:53:25 PM
Check out the NRA store they have a Chit load of concealed carry clothing!
www.nra.com
Post by: Crusty on December 07, 2009, 03:01:05 PM
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 07, 2009, 03:47:38 PM
This is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. At least in the most liberal state of california, if you are caught with any fire arms without being a law officer or a concealed weapons permit, you are headed for trouble. Just some food for thought.
The 2nd ammendment is my permit! What part of "Shall not be infringed" don't they understand.
Post by: 16HD117 on December 07, 2009, 04:41:13 PM
Post by: 16HD117 on December 07, 2009, 04:42:24 PM
Post by: rlavigna on December 07, 2009, 04:51:13 PM
The 2nd ammendment is my permit! What part of "Shall not be infringed" don't they understand.
I live in New York and hate the fact that NY is anti 2nd Ammendment. I do want to move...just have not picked a place to move to yet.
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 07, 2009, 04:59:14 PM
I won this one at a NRA fund raiser about two months ago. Ruger 380 LCP (light carry pistol). Excellent pocket gun! Perfect for your back pocket and the case looks like a wallet. Can't want for someone to tell me to had over my wallet!
My friends wife was sooo excited to get hers. Took her to the range 2 days later with a box of rounds and some targets. This Little thing kicked like a 50 cal and was very difficult to hold. the recoil bruised her hand in the web between the thumb and fore finger. She fired 4 rounds and we traded she emptied the clips in both my .40 Glocks without near the recoil.
Probably the most wicked .380 I've fired managed a 5 inch grouping at 15 yards but very uncomfortable to shoot. the trigger pull is around 6 lbs and can only be modified by a gunsmith. It was pretty :-* but went right back to the gun store and the Glock 9mm is back in her purse.
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 07, 2009, 05:05:17 PM
I live in New York and hate the fact that NY is anti 2nd Amendment. I do want to move...just have not picked a place to move to yet.
This among other reasons was why I left Illinois and moved to Gun friendly Indiana. We do not have CCW we have LTC. So open or concealed is up to the permit holder and the permit is honored by over 28 states. License to carry lifetime permit is $60.00 adding a Utah non-resident get you 5 more states
I don't believe you need a permit to defend yourself and your property in a free country, but I guess more and more I don't live in one any more.
Vermont is the only state true to the founders concept. The Second Amendment is your permit there.
Post by: MontyB on December 07, 2009, 07:10:43 PM
Inside case
Sweet! who makes that leather pocket holster??
cheers!
Post by: Sean M Cary on December 07, 2009, 07:51:59 PM
Post by: NVTHIS on December 07, 2009, 11:21:52 PM
Post by: 16HD117 on December 08, 2009, 11:42:17 AM
My friends wife was sooo excited to get hers. Took her to the range 2 days later with a box of rounds and some targets. This Little thing kicked like a 50 cal and was very difficult to hold. the recoil bruised her hand in the web between the thumb and fore finger. She fired 4 rounds and we traded she emptied the clips in both my .40 Glocks without near the recoil.
Probably the most wicked .380 I've fired managed a 5 inch grouping at 15 yards but very uncomfortable to shoot. the trigger pull is around 6 lbs and can only be modified by a gunsmith. It was pretty :-* but went right back to the gun store and the Glock 9mm is back in her purse.
Seems these two guys disagree with your comments on the 380LCP (and so do I).
Note the amount of recoil in the YouTube video. Nothing like a 50 cal!
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-LCP.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR-uRVn4irQ
Post by: miker on December 08, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
I don't mind my lcp at all. Gold dot is a little spicy to shoot but ball ammo is not all bad. Not for nothing but after 3 clips for practice each month I put it down and shoot some other guns for fun. Nothing fun about it. I don't carry full size anymore..the lcp is a perfect semi for pocket carry. In south Florida you are in shorts most of the time and it is hard not to print a pdw.
Cant compare the two as they are different weapons altogether.
All in my own inflated opinion of course..whatever a shooter is most comfy with is the issue as long as it carries a round with some punch.
Post by: spydglide on December 08, 2009, 12:40:42 PM
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 08, 2009, 12:42:14 PM
Seems these two guys disagree with your comments on the 380LCP (and so do I).
Note the amount of recoil in the YouTube video. Nothing like a 50 cal!
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-LCP.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR-uRVn4irQ
Sorry dont like it but it is easily concealed and the gun you have with you always beats the one in your car. The convenience is undeniable, The colt Govt model .380 is not much harder to conceal and a much better mannered piece. IMHO :2vrolijk_21:
I'd rather have an LCP than be unarmed but at this price point there are many other options to choose from.
Post by: spydglide on December 08, 2009, 12:49:18 PM
Sorry dont like it but it is easily concealed and the gun you have with you always beats the one in your car. The convenience is undeniable, The colt Govt model .380 is not much harder to conceal and a much better mannered piece. IMHO :2vrolijk_21:The pistol I carry the most of all my options. Not the smallest, but the best compromise (IMHO). The Llama .380 is so very similar, but a tad heavier.....still a nice carry piece of that ilk. ;) spyder
I'd rather have an LCP than be unarmed but at this price point there are many other options to choose from.
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 08, 2009, 01:02:42 PM
Recent years went to the subcompact Glock 27 .40 cal. Little more stopping power and concealable even in shorts using the www.smartcarry.com holster.
When riding use a Coronado leather concealment vest. www.coronadoleather.com or open carry in Uncle Mikes OTP leather holster under my leather Jacket.
If I do relocate to Florida though understand the weather may require an adjustment? :nixweiss:
Post by: miker on December 08, 2009, 01:08:26 PM
Mostly carry front short pants pocket with the lcp...truck gun is a kimber cdp .45...
Post by: Indenial on December 08, 2009, 01:55:23 PM
Here's a great case for the LCP. Use it everyday and don't know it's there.
Post by: charles05663 on December 08, 2009, 06:09:42 PM
Vermont is the only state true to the founders concept. The Second Amendment is your permit there.
While the founders had it right, the reality of the situation is quite different. In Vermont, if you are a law abiding citizen and use a firearm to defend yourself, I can almost guarantee that you will be prosecuted by the county attorneys for some sort of homicide charge. If on the other hand, if you are a lowlife thug/criminal and murder someone or commit a straw purchase, since you obviously have issues (self esteem, fill in the excuse blank), you will get off with a slap on the wrist.
There was a shooting in Vermont awhile back. The gun was straw purchased and later used to kill someone in a drug deal. They let the suspect out with no bail and he skipped town and later shot and paralyzed someone in Arizona. The straw purchaser got 90 days of a suspended sentence.
Another guy kill someone who had been threatening and taunting him for months. The dead guy cornered the defender and was attacking him with with an ax handle. The defender got 5 years in prison.
Another guy was being attacked with an ax. The defender shot the killed the attacker with a rifle as the attacker was turning around. Grand jury did not find sufficient evidence to try the guy. The county attorney was not satisfied and later found a reason to try him for manslaughter.
Another guy was threaten for weeks by a co-worker and had publicly stated he was going to kill the guy. The guy came after him and the defender shot and killed him. As he was laying on the ground, the defender hit him on the head with the pistol. The defender plea bargained and got 7 years.
And the stories go on. While the states constitution protects the right of firearm ownership, the county attorneys actively prosecute any apparent act of self-defense as murder or manslaughter. Bottomline, protect yourself and get ready to stand trial.
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2009, 06:17:25 PM
.... Bottomline, protect yourself and get ready to stand trial.Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: spydglide on December 08, 2009, 06:22:11 PM
Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6.Only problem is that most of those 12 are the ones that elected the officials that made the stupid laws, appointed/hired the prosecutors that enforced them that put you there. What a mess. spyder
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 08, 2009, 06:39:25 PM
While the founders had it right, the reality of the situation is quite different.
And the stories go on. While the states constitution protects the right of firearm ownership, the county attorneys actively prosecute any apparent act of self-defense as murder or manslaughter. Bottomline, protect yourself and get ready to stand trial.
Very disappointing to hear this >:(
Just goes to show how the small minded abuse power they are entrusted with.
It's always easier to abuse the law abiding citizen as they care about the rules. Criminals on the other hand are beyond the rule of law a concept politicians cannot comprehend.
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Post by: spada84 on December 08, 2009, 11:00:08 PM
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 09, 2009, 10:03:48 AM
The Grips allows me to carry with a holster.
Assuming you meant "Without" a holster :nixweiss:
Post by: NVTHIS on December 09, 2009, 11:45:19 AM
Assuming you meant "Without" a holster :nixweiss:Sorry, without a holster. Thanks for your help
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 09, 2009, 02:26:53 PM
Here my 44 Magnum that kicks like a SOB.
I like it but then I like them all :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: cuttinhorse on December 09, 2009, 06:22:03 PM
This is my S/W small J Frame Model 649 - 357 Mag / .38+P with a 2 1/8 barrel. In the next pic is a shot of the built in belt grips.
I have the same weapon. I have ran about 50 rounds of some old .357 handloads thru it that I loaded HOT for hog hunting. It isn't my favorite .357. I shoot +P thru it and it is pretty manageable.
What are those grips? Explain
I carry any one of 3 .45 1911s. I have an affinity for them from the days when Uncle Sam was my Boss. Also have a couple Sigs.
Glad I live in Texas where guns are still considered a good thing for good guys.
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Post by: NVTHIS on December 09, 2009, 11:11:30 PM
I have the same weapon. I have ran about 50 rounds of some old .357 handloads thru it that I loaded HOT for hog hunting. It isn't my favorite .357. I shoot +P thru it and it is pretty manageable.They are called the (HiIP-GRIP) see pic below. I like to carry this piece but my only problem is I don't like shooting it over a couple times because it hard on the hand and wrist. But getting back to the grips no need for a holster. It's very comfortable to carry and you don't have to worry about it coming off your belt. Here's there web site. www.hipgrip.com - I have a extra set I can send you so you can try if you like. I think they were about 39.00 or 49.00 when I got mine last year.
What are those grips? Explain
I carry any one of 3 .45 1911s. I have an affinity for them from the days when Uncle Sam was my Boss. Also have a couple Sigs.
Glad I live in Texas where guns are still considered a good thing for good guys.
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Post by: miker on May 04, 2010, 11:34:49 AM
Hope she likes it... ::)
Post by: Fired00d on May 04, 2010, 02:46:51 PM
Schmoops mothers day present...LCR in 38SNice :2vrolijk_21:... if she doesn't I bet I know somebody that will. ;) ::) :D
Hope she likes it... ::)
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: miker on May 04, 2010, 02:48:41 PM
If she doesn't like it she can trade it in for something else. :)
Post by: spydglide on May 04, 2010, 04:55:27 PM
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on May 04, 2010, 05:03:59 PM
Please share with everyone you know who shares our interest in restoring our 2nd Amendment rights!
Subject: California anti-gun group trying to block legalization of open carry in Oklahoma!
Open carriers:
Soon after the Oklahoma Senate voted 33-15 to legalize open carry in Oklahoma, the California-based anti-gun rights lobby group "Legal Community Against Violence" decided to stick their nose into matter, opposing the bill. Their lobbyist-attorney Lindsay Nicholls exclaimed that if open carry reform passes, that "[t]]here's no way for officers to know that people are just exercising their rights [or can] quickly determine whether the gun is owned legally." See Tulsa World news coverage at http://www.facebook.com/l/42739;opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum66/43223.html
Here at http://www.facebook.com/l/42739;OpenCarry.org we have no way of knowing if Ms. Lindsay Nicholls, Esquire, has ever been to Oklahoma or knows where it is - but we can tell you that Nicholls shot her mouth off without even bother to read HB 3354 which provides in plain sight that open carry of properly holstered handguns will be limited to those ALREADY holding the permit to conceal!
Meanwhile, common sense law enforcement professionals like Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan appropriately said that his department does take stances on pending legislation "but has had no trouble with the concealed-carry law. We'll just have to wait and see, but I've been impressed with concealed carry," Jordan said.
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SUBJECT: Please support HB 3354 to legalize open carry for permit holders!
Dear Representative:
I just read that the California-based anti-gun rights lobby group "Legal Community Against Violence" decided to stick their nose into Oklahoma to oppose legalization of the open carry handguns by people who ALREADY hold an Oklahoma Conceal Carry Permit. As a supporter of Second Amendment rights in Oklahoma, I find this meddling outrageous.
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Post by: miker on May 04, 2010, 07:34:05 PM
What's not to like....it's hammerless, unless the grip is too large for her hands or something like that. What's the weight? :nixweiss: spyder
13.5 oz's...We'll see how she likes it....
Post by: dustingaunder on May 04, 2010, 08:08:08 PM
Post by: Crusty on May 21, 2010, 12:30:46 AM
Seems to me the grip is just a bit longer on the .45; most of the time my pinky hangs off the bottom of a subcompact, but it mostly fit on the .45.
I really like the feel of the XDm .40... but it is a little bigger, so do I sacrafice comfort for making it a bit less concealable...? No local places that let you rent/shoot before you buy... need to look around up in Denver.
decisions decisions... lol
Post by: 63SSRagtop on May 21, 2010, 05:11:14 AM
forget the S&W, i don't have enough insulation to hide that one.. Usually carry the .40 Browning hi-power (2nd one from the bottom),
its got a very slim design and conceals well...
Want a snub nosed 5 shot .38, figure if you need more than 5 rounds you should just split to begin with!
(http://home.comcast.net/~shannoncarr/pistols.jpg)
Post by: Gank on May 21, 2010, 05:59:50 AM
Crooks know I am nice....
Crooks don't want that strange coloured money....
It seems to work fine.... though I wish I could carry my Para Ordnance Stainless Steel 45
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on May 21, 2010, 07:30:13 AM
Post by: spydglide on May 21, 2010, 07:56:05 AM
Post by: VaEagle on May 21, 2010, 02:15:02 PM
I really like the feel of the XDm .40... but it is a little bigger, so do I sacrafice comfort for making it a bit less concealable...?
decisions decisions... lol
Hi Crusty,
I feel like a person should carry what is comfortable for them but most of all ,what they can consistently and accurately control. Concealability can be done with most handguns if the wardrobe is modified. It does require some modification for most people. things like looser pants,shirts, shirt tails out or a cover shirt/jacket etc.
I know this is a long thread that has been around several years but take a look at my post on page 5 (#69) for the measurements on the Glock 36 in .45 which I still feel is a fantastic concealed carry weapon.
I have carried for about 32 years and have carried just about everything in revolvers (.44 to .38) to semiautos (9mm to .45) and I think the Glock 36 is hard to beat for easy concealment, accurate, stopping power, fits many size hands (my daughter shoots it and I have very large hands -size 16 ring) and has a very durable finish that resist dust ,dirt, sweat, and holster wear. I also prefer a matte black finish for a concealment weapon since it's less visible.
Post by: WestCoastRuss on May 21, 2010, 02:41:14 PM
That Black Talon ammo in your pic must be very old......haven't seen it for sale for years now. Great ammo, wish they had not 'caved in' and taken it off the mkt. :( spyder
The last time I bought a box it was $16.00 (quite awhile ago) a couple of weeks ago I saw a box for sale at a gun show in Reno, NV $69.00 !!
Post by: Crusty on May 21, 2010, 07:15:34 PM
Now if you have decided to carry a firearm , you should try to stick with one weapon style and one method of carry. This will help build muscle memory and under stress you will reach instintively to the same spot and activate the weapon in the same manner without thinking about how the weapon functions today vs. what you may have carried yesterday etc. It would be a shame if a shooting situation arose and all you grabbed was a love handle or armpit hair instead of your gun.Then get in lots of pratice wearing what you would in everyday carry. Jackets/chaps, boots etc. Also try different positions as if you were seated on the bike or in a car/truck. How easy is the weapon to draw?
Look at the average shooting situation and you will realize that they are fast,short distance and usually one or two on one. There are always strange senarios where one guy is against a gang at 100 yards but that is rare. You also are not very likely to fire more than a few rounds so make it count with accuracy but hit with the largest caliber you can accurately hit your intended target. Remember that person will not just drop like in the movies with one shot but the bigger the caliber the more likely it will happen with less rounds. You will be held legally responible for each and every shot you fire so overpenetration or a stray round hitting a bystander is a concern of course.
When carrying a weapon you need to be concerned with maintenace more frequently due to weather and things like sweat. The finnish should be very durable and not shiny so it will be less visible to others when you want it concealed.
I personally like the Glock model 36 as a potent package that is concealable and durable and accurate.
Caliber
.45 AUTO
System
Safe Action
LENGTH
6.77in/172mm
HEIGHT
4.76in/121mm
WIDTH
1.13in/28.5mm
Barrel Height
1.26in/32mm
Line of Sight
6.18in/157mm
Barrel LENGTH
3.78in/96mm
WEIGHT
20.11oz/570g
LOADED (~)
26.99oz/765g
Mag. Capacity
6
Magazine Mass
Empty: 2.40oz./68g
Full: ~6.88oz/~195g
Trigger Pull
5.5lbs/2.5kg
Trigger Travel
0.5in/12.5mm
Expressly "thinned" for maximum concealability, its frame designed for an easy reach to the trigger for even the shortest adult fingers, this 7-shot .45 Auto is built with "maximum concealment with maximum power" in mind.
Barrel Rifling
right hand, Octagonal
Length of Twist
9.84in/250mm
Internal Locking System
Available
Number of Safeties
3
Definitely good info, worth repeating! I agree consistancy and practice are key. I'm a pretty good shooter, qualifying expert most of the times I fire, from the days of the .38 wheel gun, to the Barretta M9. I also have a Glock 19, but don't carry it (mostly because right now it is locked in my sister's safe in Texas and she doesn't remember the combo... lol). I am trying to find somewhere close that lets you rent/shoot before you buy, so I can see how accurate I can fire the subcompact XD .45... and I'll give the Glock a try. Last time I tried the subcompact Glock, the grip was too small, but I htink that was in 9mm or .40... will check out the .45.
Thanks for the great info!
Post by: Fired00d on May 21, 2010, 07:57:32 PM
Definitely good info, worth repeating! I agree consistancy and practice are key. I'm a pretty good shooter, qualifying expert most of the times I fire, from the days of the .38 wheel gun, to the Barretta M9. I also have a Glock 19, but don't carry it (mostly because right now it is locked in my sister's safe in Texas and she doesn't remember the combo... lol). I am trying to find somewhere close that lets you rent/shoot before you buy, so I can see how accurate I can fire the subcompact XD .45... and I'll give the Glock a try. Last time I tried the subcompact Glock, the grip was too small, but I htink that was in 9mm or .40... will check out the .45.I had a similar problem w/compact Glock's when I first held one of those... just didn't feel I had control (could hold) of them when shooting. I then found out you could use the full size magazines with an extended grip on them to give you more to hold on to.... however this was after I bought a fullsize Glock. As VaEagle mentioned earlier it's not that difficult to conceal full size handguns if you modify your wadrobe. I have a Glock 22 as a duty weapon and a S&W for off duty and find myself carrying the Glock most of the time. I had thought about the getting a Glock 21 (.45 cal) but after looking at the price of ammo and the ability to get (some) free .40 cal ammo I decided on getting the Glock 22. ;D
Thanks for the great info!
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Crusty on May 21, 2010, 08:30:24 PM
I had a similar problem w/compact Glock's when I first held one of those... just didn't feel I had control (could hold) of them when shooting. I then found out you could use the full size magazines with an extended grip on them to give you more to hold on to.... however this was after I bought a fullsize Glock. As VaEagle mentioned earlier it's not that difficult to conceal full size handguns if you modify your wadrobe. I have a Glock 22 as a duty weapon and a S&W for off duty and find myself carrying the Glock most of the time. I had thought about the getting a Glock 21 (.45 cal) but after looking at the price of ammo and the ability to get (some) free .40 cal ammo I decided on getting the Glock 22. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Free is good :)
I know you CAN get stuff to cover larger frames... but ithere is certainly something to be said for something you could slip in the pocket of a pair of shorts, or under a light shirt. Guess I could always just get two!! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: spydglide on May 21, 2010, 08:43:37 PM
Post by: Fired00d on May 21, 2010, 08:44:54 PM
Free is good :)Guns are like mods on a motorcycle... it never ends. ;D ;D
I know you CAN get stuff to cover larger frames... but ithere is certainly something to be said for something you could slip in the pocket of a pair of shorts, or under a light shirt. Guess I could always just get two!! :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on May 21, 2010, 08:47:00 PM
Rule #1. ALWAYS use the weapon with FREE/AVAILABLE ammo. har. spyderTrue dat!!! :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Crusty on May 22, 2010, 07:26:16 PM
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Post by: VaEagle on May 22, 2010, 11:13:50 PM
Post by: Crusty on May 22, 2010, 11:40:30 PM
I have owned Springfield guns in the past and found them to be very accurate and dependable. That new .45 looks good but one thing to consider is the aggressive design of the grip. It would be nice in the hand and help control recoil or increase grip if hands are wet. The down side of such an aggressive grip is increased wear on shirts/vests or jackets due to fabric rubbing on the roughness. It could also be irritating to the skin if you use an inside the pants holster.
Good points... definitely not an ideal concealed carry... but DAMN it is a sweet gun!
Post by: Resbiker on May 24, 2010, 11:13:34 AM
Post by: dmnrdn on May 24, 2010, 10:55:55 PM
I sure like my Sig Sauer 357, shoots a nice group, etc., but just big enough to be cumbersome under the jacket, and definitely harder to conceal when out of riding gear. So, bought the 3"/3" Judge. That's some pretty good firepower, but not as accurate as my semi. Not impressed with the long colt .45 for 10 yard accuracy (groups at 7 o'clock), but sure do like the shotgun rounds available. Again, ok to carry under the leather, but another bulky one for concealed use. I guess I'll use it for in the Montana woods for a bear/cat/snake gun! My older son, a police officer, likes his .40 cal Glock a lot. Simple, clean lines. I need to look a little closer for a true concealed piece. The more you buy, the more you need to fire and train.....which isn't so bad!
Take a look at the SIG 239. I want something that puts whatever I am shooting at down for the count. It fits great in the cargo pocket of my Harley cargo pants and in the regular pocket of my jeans. I wear a loose fitting pair so no problem with printing. Also fits in the pocket of all of my riding jackets. Leather, Mesh, First Gear TPG and regular light jackets.
Post by: Resbiker on May 24, 2010, 11:14:37 PM
Post by: SBB on May 24, 2010, 11:18:42 PM
Take a look at the SIG 239. I want something that puts whatever I am shooting at down for the count. It fits great in the cargo pocket of my Harley cargo pants and in the regular pocket of my jeans. I wear a loose fitting pair so no problem with printing. Also fits in the pocket of all of my riding jackets. Leather, Mesh, First Gear TPG and regular light jackets.
dmnrdn
Is the 239 available in 357sig?
I carry the 229 but like Resbiker said, it is a little bulky.
SBB
Post by: rottenroger on May 25, 2010, 11:56:18 AM
Very well made firearm and the grip fits my big meat hooks. I don't think you'll
be disappointed with pistol.
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Post by: SBB on May 25, 2010, 09:00:58 PM
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Anyone can have a shiny bike if it gets more miles in a trailer than on the road.
What can shine will shine, even the ridden bikes.
But that only happens at the SBB Inn, Garage and Detail Shop.
Would love to help your SERG shine even more than it already does, in fact I enjoy cleaning and polishing on Jim's (Screamin) bike every time we get the pleasure of a visit from him.
Wednesday is booked for me but Thursday is open.
You have the number.
:2vrolijk_21:
SBB
We can work the details later on the ammo. ;)
Post by: dmnrdn on May 28, 2010, 12:22:41 AM
dmnrdn
Is the 239 available in 357sig?
I carry the 229 but like Resbiker said, it is a little bulky.
SBB
Sorry for the delay. Been on the road all week
The 239 comes in 9MM 357SIG & 40S&W
http://sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=9&productid=71
Post by: Resbiker on May 31, 2010, 10:58:07 PM
Post by: VaEagle on May 31, 2010, 11:40:46 PM
Gonna go shoot a Glock .45 cal model 36 tomorrow. Heard they are hard to get. It looks like an ideal carry. Anyone else have an opinion?
Good choice Resbiker.
Go back one page and read my post #1185 and the next couple of posts for info on carrying the Glock model 36.
Post by: bobaroni on June 01, 2010, 03:08:45 AM
Post by: Resbiker on June 01, 2010, 01:35:24 PM
Good choice Resbiker.Thanks for your reply...The subject of calibers is interesting... .45 cal for knockdown, .40 cal for knockdown & range accuracy, .357 sig for penetration & accuracy, .45 cal long colt/000 buckshot for the Judge. And that's not even getting into magnum loads! Here in Montana I need a good carry for the woods (bear, cats, & idiots) and something for the bike & car. Wife likes her .38 S&W police, has a hard time racking my auto. My police son has the Glock .40, & LAE seems to like that one. Tomorrow I'll put the .45 cal Glock 36 against my SigSauer .357 & see. The Judge is all over the place after 7-8 yards! :-\
Go back one page and read my post #1185 and the next couple of posts for info on carrying the Glock model 36.
Post by: Fired00d on June 03, 2010, 11:15:35 AM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: rottenroger on June 03, 2010, 12:44:46 PM
Post by: Opossum on June 03, 2010, 04:37:19 PM
Heck w/concealing it.... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:That's how we roll in Texas Boys! ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Crusty on August 02, 2010, 08:45:23 AM
(http://ibmike.smugmug.com/Other/Misc/TCP/955606842_NaBQg-O.jpg)
Also scored a Crimson Trace for it off eBay for $160 shipped!
Now I just gotta find somewhere to go get familiar with it. (and get my CCW).
Post by: Indenial on August 02, 2010, 01:54:50 PM
Post by: Crusty on August 02, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
Is that the .380 or 9mm? I've seen them advertised, but never held one. Looks nice.
It is the 380.
Post by: MY2NDCVO on August 02, 2010, 03:58:05 PM
CROSSMAN Air Pistol.
:nixweiss: LOL
Post by: Indenial on August 02, 2010, 08:56:34 PM
Post by: swat1 on August 02, 2010, 11:59:51 PM
Post by: Dyna mite on April 26, 2011, 10:33:50 AM
Post by: mrmagloo on April 26, 2011, 11:05:30 AM
Post by: HogBreath on April 26, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
Finally picked up something new. I looked at all the choices, and the Taurus TCP felt most comfortable in my hand.
(http://ibmike.smugmug.com/Other/Misc/TCP/955606842_NaBQg-O.jpg)
Also scored a Crimson Trace for it off eBay for $160 shipped!
Now I just gotta find somewhere to go get familiar with it. (and get my CCW).
I've got a little S&W 380. I'm not partitularly fond of the gun, other than it's cheap ($150 or so 8 years ago), easy to conceal, and I can just toss it in the saddlebag, glove box, console, or my pocket if need be. Not a lot of firepower, but, It would sling out 5-6 rounds in a hurry.
I'm lucky, I can get familiar with it in my back yard.
Post by: dayne66 on April 26, 2011, 03:11:10 PM
thought this was kinda cool..... for those pesky states that might want it stored 'securely'.
Post by: gg on April 26, 2011, 06:31:56 PM
Post by: BUBBLEHEAD on April 26, 2011, 06:46:21 PM
Post by: BUBBLEHEAD on April 26, 2011, 06:48:10 PM
Post by: 1sharprdkg on April 26, 2011, 06:52:24 PM
Yupper!,+AGREE I'm with TN and Miker!!! Had a cwp for a long time...before it became readily available. Always had a pistol on long trips.
"Officer, I felt I was in danger for my life and would like to speak to my lawyer".
Make sure there is no one to sue you for disability too.
Miker
Post by: spydglide on April 26, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
+AGREE I'm with TN and Miker!!! Had a cwp for a long time...before it became readily available. Always had a pistol on long trips.The 'short trips' also. ;) spyder
Post by: Hugh Janis on July 22, 2011, 06:49:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LngS1nDtB0
Post by: cvobiker on July 22, 2011, 08:58:35 AM
In a perfect world........
Yea,, but he didn't get his handgun back. I say ' FAKE' PUT ON VIDEO UTube style
Post by: 2k on July 22, 2011, 11:33:17 AM
Post by: Big Dog on July 22, 2011, 01:41:43 PM
Post by: harleyteam on July 25, 2011, 05:56:20 PM
just thought this needed repeatin, been awhile.
Post by: bubtrauma on July 26, 2011, 09:32:01 AM
Post by: spydglide on July 26, 2011, 12:02:53 PM
Well I really dont want to say but since you asked...... I carry a squirt bottle that's about all they allow us to carry in Canada. It doubles as a window cleaner. :mango:I've read that Wasp Killer Spray is a quite effective defensive weapon....much like pepper spray is used by joggers, etc. And cost effective also. spyder
Post by: semperfi81 on July 26, 2011, 08:48:57 PM
Post by: DaBigNuttedMan on September 04, 2011, 11:11:33 AM
when we travel ? I'll never tell ;D
Post by: Eagle Eye on September 05, 2011, 09:25:27 PM
Post by: DaBigNuttedMan on September 08, 2011, 07:14:44 PM
Post by: mark z on September 08, 2011, 11:07:23 PM
Post by: SG Racer on September 17, 2011, 05:20:09 AM
Ray
Post by: mrmagloo on September 17, 2011, 05:49:19 PM
Yep. I carry at work for the government. Almost always have my personal friend on me or in the saddlebag. Don't leave home without it.Illinois sucks - Would you mind deputizing me? I can carry in almost every state in the country, except my own. Crazy, corrupt liberals.
Ray
Post by: SG Racer on September 20, 2011, 07:04:57 AM
Illinois sucks - Would you mind deputizing me? I can carry in almost every state in the country, except my own. Crazy, corrupt liberals.Of course. Raise your right hand and put the other on the Bible and you are good to go. Just tell the law a fellow rider gave you permission to carry. Should be good to go.
On the other hand, if you just keep it hidden on you till you need it, might work too.
Ray
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on September 20, 2011, 08:09:58 AM
Post by: grayghost731 on September 20, 2011, 08:15:21 AM
Post by: mrmagloo on September 20, 2011, 11:36:17 AM
Of course. Raise your right hand and put the other on the Bible and you are good to go. Just tell the law a fellow rider gave you permission to carry. Should be good to go.Yeah, I wish it was that easy. The chity of Chicago had a handgun ban for 40+ years, until the SCOTUS forced them to overturn the ordinance. So, Chicago then forced people to register handguns at an outragious price BUT you also had to have training with shooting proficiency. However, they maintained the outlaw of gun ranges making it impossible to comply unless you left the city. Then there were reports that they were not honoring the training certs from the border city ranges. So the Ezell case came, and the judge reamed the city, so they tweaked the ordinance where any range had to be at least a ridiculous distance from umpteen categories of current establishments, like schools churches, parks, etc. By the time they plotted it out, no where was possible unless it was in the middle of Lake Michigan. Furthermore, the eventual range would have to pay an enormous licensing fee every year, and deal with all sorts of hardships making it impossible.
On the other hand, if you just keep it hidden on you till you need it, might work too.
Ray
So the chity of Chicago just keeps thumbing their noses at the courts and nothing ever happens. Disgusting. Oh, btw, did I forget to mention that all chity alderman and above politians ARE allowed CCW while in the chity, overriding the state laws. Eliteist, Liberal Hypocrits.
Post by: Talon on September 20, 2011, 01:06:09 PM
Yeah, I wish it was that easy. The chity of Chicago had a handgun ban for 40+ years, until the SCOTUS forced them to overturn the ordinance. So, Chicago then forced people to register handguns at an outragious price BUT you also had to have training with shooting proficiency. However, they maintained the outlaw of gun ranges making it impossible to comply unless you left the city. Then there were reports that they were not honoring the training certs from the border city ranges. So the Ezell case came, and the judge reamed the city, so they tweaked the ordinance where any range had to be at least a ridiculous distance from umpteen categories of current establishments, like schools churches, parks, etc. By the time they plotted it out, no where was possible unless it was in the middle of Lake Michigan. Furthermore, the eventual range would have to pay an enormous licensing fee every year, and deal with all sorts of hardships making it impossible.
So the chity of Chicago just keeps thumbing their noses at the courts and nothing ever happens. Disgusting. Oh, btw, did I forget to mention that all chity alderman and above politians ARE allowed CCW while in the chity, overriding the state laws. Eliteist, Liberal Hypocrits.
What a mess! I can go to my local Ace Hardware and buy a gun! Looking at a Ruger SR 40c there for the wife as a CCW.
Craig
Post by: T-Hawk on September 20, 2011, 02:12:23 PM
Springfield XD-45... never go anywhere without it holstered on my hip... sometimes have to lock it in the trunk if a dinner ride takes us to a bar, but other than that, you can count on me having it, even if no one ever sees it.
Post by: darth davidson on September 20, 2011, 03:26:35 PM
2) Chiappa Rhino .357 magnum
I have a Sig 229 Equinox and I love to shoot with it , but I find it to big to conceal.
:jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack:
Post by: Hank Hankerson on September 20, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
Post by: Talon on September 20, 2011, 03:48:09 PM
Always carry either : 1) Glock 36 or
2) Chiappa Rhino .357 magnum
I have a Sig 229 Equinox and I love to shoot with it , but I find it to big to conceal.
:jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack:
I was looking at a Sig p239 in 40 cal, but just a little to big in the grip for good conceal weapon.
Post by: darth davidson on September 20, 2011, 04:45:28 PM
I was looking at a Sig p239 in 40 cal, but just a little to big in the grip for good conceal weapon.I agree. however is a great weapon.
Post by: Talon on September 21, 2011, 08:17:05 AM
I agree. however is a great weapon.
Yea, later on I'll get one anyway, but looking for a conceal weapon for the wife for now.
Craig
Post by: Shovelhead on September 21, 2011, 11:28:57 AM
I always liked this one from Texas!
I know that pic was widely circulated via email as being "from Texas" , but it is actually in Arizona . Unfortunately , we do not have "open carry" in Texas, only concealed, and as crazy as it sounds, a Texas concealed carry license holder can get into quite a bit of trouble if someone reports inadvertently seeing your weapon, such as for instance if you are securing your weapon in a tour pack or vehicle trunk in order to enter an establishment that does not allow carry.
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on September 28, 2011, 11:50:06 AM
I am going to retire this kimber for a "black gun" that won't get a beat up, as I carry everyday.Just curious, how do you like your Kimber? I am interested in buying one just like yours.
I will probably go with the kimber 45 in 3"....
Post by: skippy on September 28, 2011, 07:34:55 PM
Just curious, how do you like your Kimber? I am interested in buying one just like yours.
I have a great collection of 1911 in 45acp and shoot quite offen about once a week at a gun club that I am a member of have seen two Kimbers that will make great paper weights the top strap of the slide have stress crackes in both of them... a local NC police agency just recently sold their Kimbers to a police supply house and replaced them with Sigs... this is my opinion on them they do look good but I like pistols that preform well....
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on September 28, 2011, 09:00:13 PM
Post by: hotroadking on September 28, 2011, 09:25:31 PM
Kel tec p9 or 11
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Post by: PASN YU on September 30, 2011, 01:39:18 PM
Post by: mrmagloo on September 30, 2011, 02:26:41 PM
That said, I do carry a Springfield Compact Carry with CT grips, which is extremely reliable. I think the issue with Kimbers smaller 45's are the tight tolerances that can lead to FTF issues early on. I don't have a Kimber Ultra, but I'm reading reports that once you get rid of the crappy mag, and get a decent Kim-Pro Tac, Wilson, or McCormick mags, and put 500 to 1,000 round through it, you'll be fine.
While I know the Glocks and the other plastic guns are proven and reliable designs, I just can't get myself to carry one. I'm always afraid the damn thing might break when trying to crack someone's head with it, or even just dropping the damn things. I like Steel baby! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: spydglide on September 30, 2011, 07:01:48 PM
We had a discussion about Kimbers a few pages back. I'll just state in my experience, the full sized 5" pistols I have are flawless. I actually just got a TLE/RL that I've added a magwell, ambi and tactical safety, essentially creating a HD Tactical Carry (I don't dig the AL frames) and this is the best shooting 1911 I've ever experienced.Do you practice with that light very much? spyder
That said, I do carry a Springfield Compact Carry with CT grips, which is extremely reliable. I think the issue with Kimbers smaller 45's are the tight tolerances that can lead to FTF issues early on. I don't have a Kimber Ultra, but I'm reading reports that once you get rid of the crappy mag, and get a decent Kim-Pro Tac, Wilson, or McCormick mags, and put 500 to 1,000 round through it, you'll be fine.
While I know the Glocks and the other plastic guns are proven and reliable designs, I just can't get myself to carry one. I'm always afraid the damn thing might break when trying to crack someone's head with it, or even just dropping the damn things. I like Steel baby! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Fired00d on September 30, 2011, 07:14:07 PM
Do you practice with that light very much? spyderOnly when it's dark. ;)
Sorry I couldn't resist. :drink: :D :D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: spydglide on September 30, 2011, 07:22:52 PM
Only when it's dark. ;)Bada-boom. :drummer: har. spyder
Sorry I couldn't resist. :drink: :D :D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Fired00d on September 30, 2011, 07:28:45 PM
Bada-boom. :drummer: har. spyder:2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: kravmaga on October 02, 2011, 11:05:26 PM
Krav Maga
Post by: mrmagloo on October 03, 2011, 12:09:38 AM
Do you practice with that light very much? spyder
The light itself, not so much as it burns through the batteries pretty quickly. The lazer doesn't suck much juice, and I normally practice with the laser or the night sights. The x400 has a 3 way switch, so you can run it laser only, light only, or both. So I practice with laser only on and off to ensure it's sighted in, and on my nightstand I keep it set on both. It has a constant on or a momentary switch, which is great for the slash and move maneuver. Great light.
Post by: spydglide on October 03, 2011, 06:49:51 AM
Post by: BONES - USMVMC on October 03, 2011, 07:09:15 AM
Post by: mrmagloo on October 03, 2011, 12:19:23 PM
Nice......I'd have to train, train, train if I were to add the lazer sights & light to my weapon. Gotta keep it simple, stupid for the effectiveness in a real fight, for me at least. It's whatever you are proficient and comfortable with for sure. I just keep the light next to the weapon and hope to not need either. ;) spyder
The obvious downside to having a rail mounted light is there is a chance with any tactic that you might end up pointing a loaded weapon at a family member or innocent bystander while identifying the person. That's kind of why I like to use my trigger finger on the momentary switch for the slash and move. No doubt that having a separate flashlight is somewhat safer, but I think that the fumbling and one hand on the gun requirement tips the risk on the other side, especially if you have to clear rooms, where breaching the treshold can risk loss of the weapon in an attack. I want both hands on the weapon, drawn closely to the body, after quartering the room. It also helps to try and bounce the light off the ceiling which with a slash, can help to blur your exact position. Much easier with a railed handgun than rifle.
The bottom-line is, all the training in the world isn't going to ensure everything goes smoothly during a stressful encounter. However, with enough repetition, it does help to shift the odds in your favor. There is no 100% best way of anything, and every strategy presents compromises, so you just have to go with what works for you, and hope for the best should you ever be forced into action.
Post by: miker on October 03, 2011, 12:25:57 PM
Post by: spydglide on October 03, 2011, 12:33:49 PM
My name is Mike and I did not buy a gun this weekend....baby steps... :huepfenjump3:Congrats!! I also refrained.....came close in a on-line auction, but still preservered. :) har. spyder
Post by: ALRG8TOR on October 03, 2011, 02:45:26 PM
Post by: spydglide on October 03, 2011, 03:00:54 PM
Just ammo this week! :nervous:So you're the reason all the .45acp is backordered. ;D har. spyder
Post by: Elixer on October 05, 2011, 07:43:04 PM
God Bless America
Post by: VANAMAL on October 05, 2011, 08:22:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQpO3H-dacE
Post by: CVOStreetglide on October 05, 2011, 08:30:24 PM
The original, S&W 38, Nickel ~ saddled & permitted, only in open country.
God Bless America
Damned fine looking saddle/seat!! Do you have a few more pictures??
Regards
Jerry
Post by: mrmagloo on October 05, 2011, 09:22:49 PM
just picked up a s&w model 642Nice, I also have a 637CT, which is the same basic J frame with an exposed hammer and Crimson Trace grip laser. That goes in the ankle holster, and the .45 Ultra Compact with the CT goes in the Milt Sparks VM2 IWB. Just can't figure out where to stick the grenade launcher? :pineapple:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQpO3H-dacE
Post by: mrmagloo on October 05, 2011, 09:24:05 PM
Damned fine looking saddle/seat!! Do you have a few more pictures??x2 - That's awesome!
Regards
Jerry
Post by: faceracer on October 06, 2011, 08:54:46 AM
Legally, and with a permit. Either a 357 mag or 44 mag Desert Eagle
Krav Maga
Love to see how you conceal carry a 44mag Desert Eagle! Got a picture? My pants would fall down! LOL! Maybe ok with some industrial suspenders?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Post by: Eagle Eye on October 06, 2011, 02:38:57 PM
The original, S&W 38, Nickel ~ saddled & permitted, only in open country.
God Bless America
Yipeeiiiieeeayyy! Nice set up. I love Texas!
Post by: wideglidejoe on October 06, 2011, 10:59:58 PM
Depending on the temperature and how I'm dressed, I carry as small as a S&W J-frame 2" snubby .357 Centennial, or as large as a Colt Delta Elite 10mm or a 3" N-frame .41 mag. I prefer the larger ones, but sometimes the .357 snubby is the easiest to conceal. If/when we get open carry in Okla, that problem goes away!
Next on my list to purchase is a .45 Kimber, but there are so many models to choose from, I get confused!!
NRA member since the 70's.
Post by: mrmagloo on October 06, 2011, 11:28:14 PM
Next on my list to purchase is a .45 Kimber, but there are so many models to choose from, I get confused!!
For Kimber, here's a great forum: http://forums.1911forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=27
Unless you've got money to burn, I'd just go with the base Custom II for the first .45 which are great values. The base Kimber has many more feature than most middle of the road non-customs, for around the same money. Then you can always add a few pieces here and there, as you get familiar with the gun. When you're ready to trade up, you'll then have a good handle on what features are important and those that are not. I will say for a holster gun, you might want to stick with stainless, not only for the more robust finish but also being in a hotter environment, stainless is better protected against body moisture. All of my carry guns are stainless and/or silver alloy.
Couple things to think about.
Post by: wideglidejoe on October 12, 2011, 07:46:15 PM
Thanks for the forum link!
I've had 1911 .45's, and other calibers of 1911's, I've just never had a Kimber. I was in the Army before they switched to the 9mm, so I'm telling my age.
My 10mm is a Colt 1911, pretty much a full custom. Kimber has so many models and features, it's just a lot to pick thru.
Be safe!!
Post by: mrmagloo on October 13, 2011, 03:36:06 PM
Post by: porthole on November 24, 2011, 10:42:26 AM
I have a Ruger MKIII, one of my magazines is for a MKII - Anyone in need of a MKII and/or have a MKIII mag to swap?
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on November 24, 2011, 11:20:18 AM
Post by: 1sharprdkg on November 24, 2011, 11:44:12 AM
Having my CCW and owning a S&W 9mm, I have decided that for my Bday I'm going to get the Kimber 45 CDP Ultra II.That's the same one I am saving up to purchase. I want the one designated (LG) for Crimson Trace Lasergrip. It doesn't cost that much more than the other CDP models and I feel would give my old eyes an advantage.
Post by: darth davidson on November 24, 2011, 02:16:19 PM
Post by: porthole on November 24, 2011, 08:21:06 PM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on November 24, 2011, 08:38:55 PM
That's the same one I am saving up to purchase. I want the on designated (LG) for Crimson Trace Lasergrip. It doesn't cost that much more than the other CDP models and I feel would give my old eyes an advantage.
I agree with you. I really need and want the night sites that come standard on this pistol. I also like the concealed advantage with the 3" barrel. I have talked to other's that have this same pistol and they swear by it. They have put between 300 to 1000 rounds through their's and have never had anything but excellent results. All review's are outstanding. If I don't like it, I will trade it in on a Springfield Micro 45.
Post by: Rickasha on November 24, 2011, 08:55:26 PM
That's the same one I am saving up to purchase. I want the on designated (LG) for Crimson Trace Lasergrip. It doesn't cost that much more than the other CDP models and I feel would give my old eyes an advantage.I'm with you, my eyes aren't what they used to be, so I'll be investing in the Crimson Ultra Carry II at the gun show next week or the week after or week after that. Damn it's nice to be in Texas, ride all year round and a gun show every week!!
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on November 24, 2011, 09:01:55 PM
I'm with you, my eyes aren't what they used to be, so I'll be investing in the Crimson Ultra Carry II at the gun show next week or the week after or week after that. Damn it's nice to be in Texas, ride all year round and a gun show every week!!
Don't make me jealous :nervous: Here in Ohio I've already put my baby to bed for the winter and told her to rest well and I will see her in the spring :huepfenjump3: Keep me posted on how you like your Kimber Ultra :thumbsup:
Post by: Rickasha on November 24, 2011, 09:08:35 PM
Don't make me jealous :nervous: Here in Ohio I've already put my baby to bed for the winter and told her to rest well and I will see her in the spring :huepfenjump3: Keep me posted on how you like your Kimber Ultra :thumbsup:Sorry you had to put the ride up for the winter, been there done that!! Will let ya know how the Kimber works out
Post by: dlaws01 on November 25, 2011, 12:29:26 AM
Post by: 2k on November 25, 2011, 07:51:18 AM
Post by: faceracer on November 25, 2011, 09:20:57 PM
Post by: mjb765 on November 25, 2011, 09:48:38 PM
Just added what will become my constant carry. Sig P250, Subcompact, .40 Cal
That thing is sweeeeet!!
Post by: GLIDE2 on November 26, 2011, 07:45:31 AM
U.S. House of Representatives Adopts Right-to-Carry Reciprocity—
All Anti-Gun Amendments Defeated!
Friday, November 18, 2011
On Wednesday, Nov. 16, the ongoing effort to fully vindicate the fundamental, individual right to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense took a major step forward with House passage of H.R. 822, the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011.” The bill, sponsored by Reps. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Heath Shuler (D-N.C.), which has 245 cosponsors, was approved by an overwhelming bipartisan vote of 272-154.
Several amendments were offered to undermine the bill’s protections. Every one of these amendments was soundly defeated by an overwhelming bipartisan vote, and included:
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee’s (D-Texas) amendment to establish a national database of permit holders (defeated 284-139);
Rep. Jackson Lee’s amendment to require permit holders to notify law enforcement officials in other states of their intention to carry a firearm in those states (defeated 299-123);
Rep. Steve Cohen’s (D-Tenn.) amendment to exclude permit holders under 21 years of age (defeated 276-150);
Rep. Alcee Hastings’ (D-Fla.) amendment, intended to exclude permit holders whose states do not require permit applicants to apply in person (defeated 277-148);
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy’s (D-N.Y.) amendment to apply the bill only to states in which the state legislature votes to accept it (defeated 274-147);
Rep. Rob Woodall’s (R-Ga.) amendment to allow states to create their own agreements which would exempt them from the bill (defeated 283-140);
Rep. Hank Johnson’s (D-Ga.) amendment to apply the bill only to permit holders who were required to participate in a live-fire exercise to be eligible for their permits (defeated 281-144); and,
Rep. David Cicilline’s (D-R.I.) amendment to create a patchwork of recognition (and resistance) by applying the bill only between states where the attorneys general, state police chiefs, and secretaries of state have affirmed that their states’ carry laws are similar (defeated 277-146).
This critical legislation now moves to the Senate. Please contact your Senators and urge them to bring H.R. 822 up for a vote at the earliest possible opportunity!
Post by: porthole on November 26, 2011, 08:27:06 AM
Good to see all of the extras failed. There is still hope for Jersey.
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Post by: digga25 on November 26, 2011, 08:35:56 AM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 27, 2011, 08:55:34 AM
My kid carried a Kimber custom, off duty and backup. He had multiple problems with it and ended up getting rid of it for a Nighthawk custom. Nice piece.It took 750 rounds through my Kimber Ultra CDP before it was 100% reliable. Once I shot another 250 with out hick up it became my carry. The 3 Inch barrel is nice for carry but takes work to be reliable.
I also use a Les Baer Stinger for Carry now, it's a 4.25 inch barrel on the officers frame. Very nice gun, much nicer than any of my Kimbers.
Post by: spydglide on November 27, 2011, 09:06:11 AM
It took 750 rounds through my Kimber Ultra CDP before it was 100% reliable. Once I shot another 250 with out hick up it became my carry. The 3 Inch barrel is nice for carry but takes work to be reliable.That's at least $400-$500 bucks in ammo to wear-in a Kimber. They're just too tight for reliability from the get go.....a looser build (like a Colt) doesn't take as much breaking in. Of course, the actual shooting is good for more than just wearing-in the pistol. ;) spyder
I also use a Les Baer Stinger for Carry now, it's a 4.25 inch barrel on the officers frame. Very nice gun, much nicer than any of my Kimbers.
Post by: darth davidson on November 27, 2011, 03:10:30 PM
It took 750 rounds through my Kimber Ultra CDP before it was 100% reliable. Once I shot another 250 with out hick up it became my carry. The 3 Inch barrel is nice for carry but takes work to be reliable.I have shot 500 rounds with my Kimber Ultra covert II. Waiting for the first hic up . Always keeping this babe clean and lubricated.
I also use a Les Baer Stinger for Carry now, it's a 4.25 inch barrel on the officers frame. Very nice gun, much nicer than any of my Kimbers.
Post by: GLIDE2 on November 30, 2011, 10:42:04 PM
That's at least $400-$500 bucks in ammo to wear-in a Kimber. They're just too tight for reliability from the get go.....a looser build (like a Colt) doesn't take as much breaking in. Of course, the actual shooting is good for more than just wearing-in the pistol. ;) spyder
Springfeild XD 45 compact , 1700 rounds though pistol , will eat any ammo I through @ it , hp , whatever, even wolf wich is some dirty S%@#. No failure to feed , stove pipes, nothing .
Post by: cvobiker on December 01, 2011, 08:33:01 AM
Just added what will become my constant carry. Sig P250, Subcompact, .40 Cal
You'll love that handgun, it's my favorite personal carry. Fits perferct in the inside a Harley jacket or vest zippered pocket just like it was made for that gun.. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Talon on December 01, 2011, 08:48:18 AM
Post by: darth davidson on December 01, 2011, 08:49:49 AM
My kid carried a Kimber custom, off duty and backup. He had multiple problems with it and ended up getting rid of it for a Nighthawk custom. Nice piece.
Very nice weapon the nighthawks are. However, their prices are way above my head.
Post by: indcoltz on December 01, 2011, 09:46:08 AM
Post by: porthole on December 01, 2011, 12:23:56 PM
Very nice weapon the nighthawks are. However, their prices are way above my head.
He a got a very good offer to make that switch. True, the NH's are pricey. More then 2x's the comparable K.
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Post by: porthole on December 01, 2011, 12:25:33 PM
They do not mess around in New York. The state of Ohio is just about as bad.
And Jersey.
But isn't it the city you are referring too?
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Post by: harleyteam on December 01, 2011, 02:44:58 PM
NY state does not reciprocate with other states, but police from anywhere, including Canada carry around the Buffalo area.
I've seen it.
I have a NY permit. good for anywhere in the state, EXCEPT Nassau-Suffolk counties (NYC)
Post by: mrmagloo on December 01, 2011, 03:47:54 PM
Post by: Fired00d on December 01, 2011, 05:19:52 PM
I carry Colt Pocket Lite 380 but I have a federal law enforcement permit. I'm telling you guys DO NOT!!!! get caught carrying in NEW YORK it will be the worst day in your life. Even in uniform while going into New York I had to stop and secure my duty weapon at a local law enforcement agency or risk being arrested. They do not mess around in New York. The state of Ohio is just about as bad.How can they ignore The Law Enforcement Officers Act of 2004 (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/leosasummary.pdf)? :confused5:
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Post by: HogBreath on December 01, 2011, 07:22:22 PM
Post by: GLIDE2 on December 01, 2011, 07:35:02 PM
HB822 will solve all that.:2vrolijk_21:
Post by: GLIDE2 on December 01, 2011, 07:40:42 PM
HB822 will solve all that.Have to be carfull , when it goes to the senate HB822 will be voted on with other bills , We may loose some rights if it is voted in . See what other bills are merged with it !!!
Post by: 2k on December 01, 2011, 08:22:18 PM
Post by: OhioDave on December 01, 2011, 08:38:13 PM
I carry Colt Pocket Lite 380 but I have a federal law enforcement permit. I'm telling you guys DO NOT!!!! get caught carrying in NEW YORK it will be the worst day in your life. Even in uniform while going into New York I had to stop and secure my duty weapon at a local law enforcement agency or risk being arrested. They do not mess around in New York. The state of Ohio is just about as bad.
It is? :nixweiss:
Post by: GLIDE2 on December 01, 2011, 08:51:27 PM
So thats the reason the crime rate is so high in NYC. You can keep the rat infested chit hole!!!!:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: I grew up in a small town in NY. It is a liberal state like Cali. They are going broke because of there welfare state policies , and Blumeburg ( spelling ? ) what a fool . Sent a bunch of undercover down here to Summerville SC to buy guns at a pawn shop. Background check came back good and they took the guns back to NY and said it was an ilegal sale !!! W T F#^% . Blumeburg got his A@# handed to him in NYC court by the owner. !!! Boeing just moved in here , lots of jobs , they just cant handle the union $$$$$ any more , even if you are union down here , it is a right to work state. They can't pull there chit down here !!!! They will just fire all the workers and start over !!! :pepper:
Post by: naitram on December 01, 2011, 08:55:59 PM
Post by: GLIDE2 on December 01, 2011, 09:30:05 PM
keep the poltical views out of this please:2vrolijk_21: Sorry about that , If you remove it, that will be cool. apologize for the slip , got carried away !!! Thanks :oops:
Post by: indcoltz on December 03, 2011, 06:00:37 AM
Post by: TN on December 03, 2011, 08:51:52 AM
I grew up around guns and was taught at an early age how to handle and respect them.
to the anti-gun folks, remember it's not good to bring a knife to a gun fight.
to the gun folks, please disarm before breaking out the tequila. ::)
carry on
TN
Post by: cvobiker on December 03, 2011, 10:00:09 AM
criminals could care less about gun laws. :drink: obtaining a carry permit we agree to the terms from the state of issue, whatever they may be. cwp permits add allot of liability to the holder. laws and interpretations of vary.
I grew up around guns and was taught at an early age how to handle and respect them.
to the anti-gun folks, remember it's not good to bring a knife to a gun fight.
to the gun folks, please disarm before breaking out the tequila. ::)
carry on
TN
Criminals today are more stupid then ever...There is a lot more CCW Permit carriers and a lot more issued each week. And because of the liability issues you point out, the safety course trainers are now training 'shoot to kill' and getting the message clear across, you dont want your attacker alive after you draw your gun for your life's safety or your life will be misery as your attacker sues the hell out you in court. I used to have the attitude, 'shoot to stop' but not no more.. if im attacked in a life treating way, the bad guy is dead meat. :'(
Post by: VANAMAL on December 03, 2011, 12:16:27 PM
http://www.snubnose.info/docs/m642.htm
Post by: 2k on December 03, 2011, 01:11:18 PM
Post by: faceracer on December 03, 2011, 04:20:17 PM
Criminals today are more stupid then ever...There is a lot more CCW Permit carriers and a lot more issued each week. And because of the liability issues you point out, the safety course trainers are now training 'shoot to kill' and getting the message clear across, you dont want your attacker alive after you draw your gun for your life's safety or your life will be misery as your attacker sues the hell out you in court. I used to have the attitude, 'shoot to stop' but not no more.. if im attacked in a life treating way, the bad guy is dead meat. :'(
Not in Kentucky and I believe Colorado and maybe others now. We have the "make my day" law. You are taught in CCW class when you have the right to use the gun you have the right to kill and should! Period! ??only because it gets a dirt bag off the street and we don't have to support them in jail. However no one injured and or killed in the commission of a crime can sue under any conditions! That's the way it should be!!!! Break in my house your leaving in a body bag! Maybe a bucket if I use the 12ga. with 3" magnum double ot buck shoot! He He!
Post by: indcoltz on December 03, 2011, 06:45:50 PM
Post by: GLIDE2 on December 03, 2011, 09:30:22 PM
Not in Kentucky and I believe Colorado and maybe others now. We have the "make my day" law. You are taught in CCW class when you have the right to use the gun you have the right to kill and should! Period! ??only because it gets a dirt bag off the street and we don't have to support them in jail. However no one injured and or killed in the commission of a crime can sue under any conditions! That's the way it should be!!!! Break in my house your leaving in a body bag! Maybe a bucket if I use the 12ga. with 3" magnum double ot buck shoot! He He!In SC. If some one is coming in your window ,whatever , as by law you can take it as they are trying to do you bodily harm and you can take leathal action. The problem I have is that if you are held in a civil lawsuit , the out come can be different due to juries from different counties / cities . If you are in a county thats anti-gun your may loose ! and reciprocity is hard to keep up with state to state. Sucks> so I can protect myself all the from SC to VIRG. then if I wont to go to NY, what do I do with my pistol ? through it over the next bridge !!!! Thats why we need a fed CCW law , (stand alone) thats not mixed with other bills ! or one that recognizes state CCW permits. IMHO :coolblue:
Post by: Indenial on December 03, 2011, 09:41:49 PM
Post by: Fired00d on December 03, 2011, 09:44:26 PM
keep the poltical views out of this pleaseBump... Last warning.
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Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 03, 2011, 11:06:45 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 04, 2011, 11:05:09 AM
AMANAL, you keep shooting those plus p+ in that airweight your going to be sorry. To hot of a load for that light of frame.
I was advised the same thing, as I carry virtually the same gun. I just load rounds that are capable of inflicting the most damage, but not +P.
Post by: 2010 FLHX on December 04, 2011, 11:54:55 AM
The other condition for "Peaceable Journey" is that you may not stop in the state in which the firearm is banned. "Stop" seems to mean "overnight stay" although there's some considerable speculation that stopping for "sight-seeing" also qualifies as a "stop." Evidently you may stop for meals and gas . . . The "move along" clause I suppose. :D
Unfortunately, "Peaceable Journey" is a FEDERAL law and states like to argue "states rights." The issue is far from settled.
That said, and having skimmed across the 89 odd pages of posting here, let me submit this caveat about "unlawful possession of a firearm."
If you're in unlawful possession of a firearm and the Prosecuting Atty. in the jurisdiction in question decides to play hardball, you're going to face more than simply being cited for having a gun:
A Prosecutor will fill a "multiple pleading" which specifies several and all the laws having an unlawful firearm exposes you to.
Besides "possession" and for starters they'll go for "interstate transport." Then they'll trot out "operating a motor vehicle while in unlawful possession." Or "unlawful possession in a motor vehicle." They'll have you blow in the tube for a BAC, and pee in the cup for a urine specimen. If either come up positive -- and alcohol will show up in a urine specimen some 48 hrs after last consumption -- the Prosecutor may file "unlawful possess under the influence."
Besides being arrested, there's a good chance the state will seek to confiscate your vehicle -- not impound it, "confiscate" as in you lose possession/title so they can sell it at auction to raise $$$ for new cruisers and uniforms. If your bank owns your bike, this is going to get really complicated. The bank may file for default on your finance plan.
You'll absolutely lose the firearm.
Bail is going to be steep inasmuch as you're out of state and a potential "flight risk."
There's a catalog of charges they can go after depending how you're carrying this firearm. They range from "brandishing" and "unlawful concealment" to "concealment with intent," "premeditation," and if you're with someone else they may go for "conspiring to."
Lots of states -- by the way -- have similar laws about knives, their possession, concealment.
Depending upon jurisdiction and how you comb your hair, unlawful possession opens the door to a flood of legal charges, both expensive and complicated and potentially exposing you to being forever barred from owning a firearm.
In light of the Second Amendment and "shall not be infringed" it stinks. But the basis for "gun control" in the USA is founded upon "interstate commerce." That's a fancy legal way for lawyers and politicians to say, "We got lines, and you'd better not cross them."
Post by: 1sharprdkg on December 04, 2011, 01:08:07 PM
Santa :santa: came early for me today :huepfenjump3: I purchased the Kimber CDP Ultra ll 45. This is one sweet :pepper: pistol. Hope to feed it a few rounds soon :2vrolijk_21:LovemyCVOgirl, let's see it girl! :worthless:
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 04, 2011, 02:00:44 PM
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Post by: spydglide on December 04, 2011, 02:14:52 PM
pic #2Nice features on a good carry package. Extra mags in additon to a few holsters and a quanity of both range & carry ammo some cleaning materials and you're all set until Festivus. :D har. :drink: spyder
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 04, 2011, 02:34:51 PM
Nice heater! Love it! Sorry about this worthless in the other post but you've been here long enough to know it was coming just a matter of time!
Yea! I knew it was coming...LMAO :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Fired00d on December 04, 2011, 03:16:09 PM
ok This is my Christmas present. Kimber CDP Ultra ll 45 :pepper:Sweeeeeeeet!!!! :2vrolijk_21:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Post by: Shovelhead on December 04, 2011, 06:04:00 PM
I'm getting about ready for a new leather jacket (outgrowing the old standby), there are several prominent "concealed carry motorcycle jackets" on the market now.....
anyone here have one ? any recommendations ?
Post by: spydglide on December 04, 2011, 06:36:32 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 04, 2011, 07:24:31 PM
Fox Creek Leather.
X2...best leather jacket you'll ever own, and it's made in the USA...100%. I've got their vest too...nice concealed pocket on the left inside. Wore it today, in fact...
Post by: 1sharprdkg on December 04, 2011, 07:34:34 PM
Yea! I knew it was coming...LMAO :2vrolijk_21:LOL! I'm looking to get the same model except with the Crimson Trace Laser grip. Checked three gunshops so far...sold out, guess I waited to close to Christmas.
Post by: spydglide on December 04, 2011, 07:36:08 PM
X2...best leather jacket you'll ever own, and it's made in the USA...100%. I've got their vest too...nice concealed pocket on the left inside. Wore it today, in fact...Yep, that's the vest I was wearing when I tangled with the Chrysler & asphalt last May. Deep scrapes on the back was the only damage to the vest and the .380 colt stayed secure throughout all the tumbling, etc. Quality product. Coronada makes a great concealed vest also. spyder
Post by: darth davidson on December 04, 2011, 08:36:25 PM
ok This is my Christmas present. Kimber CDP Ultra ll 45 :pepper:
B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L . i love my Kimber Ultra covert II ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
Enjoy your christmas present!!!! :orange: :mango: :bananarock:
Post by: 2010 FLHX on December 05, 2011, 12:02:48 AM
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s320x320/392036_314374448580378_100000234759146_1210367_819761740_n.jpg)
Then I counted 19 handguns, and a small naval cannon we built in the machine shop.
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/390406_315628231788333_100000234759146_1214501_1910290084_n.jpg)
In the saddle bag, when I'm packing, it's an Uzi Mod. 45 Micro Machine Pistol (dual cal. 45 ACP / 9mm) -- w/ 25 rd. 9mm mags.
(http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/e/e3/MicroUziPistol02.jpg/400px-MicroUziPistol02.jpg)
Distinguished Life Member, National Rifle Association
Life Member "BKS Sportsmans Club" (trap shooting)
Post by: porthole on December 05, 2011, 12:59:20 AM
Have to be carfull , when it goes to the senate HB822 will be voted on with other bills , We may loose some rights if it is voted in . See what other bills are merged with it !!!So far with the first vote every add on was defeated.
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Post by: indcoltz on December 05, 2011, 07:55:32 AM
Post by: 2010 FLHX on December 05, 2011, 08:36:17 AM
You get caught carrying that UZI and you can put your head between your legs and kiss that virginity good bye.
CLASS III . . .
Post by: Pete7539 on December 05, 2011, 07:09:00 PM
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Post by: Pete7539 on December 05, 2011, 08:20:34 PM
:jack: Taurus 38 model cia85 ultra light, magtech guardian gold +p, or Italian issue beretta 85bb .380 auto with hornaday critical defense.
Try out Corbon power ball in .380, nice round
Post by: porthole on December 05, 2011, 08:33:34 PM
How can they ignore The Law Enforcement Officers Act of 2004 (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/leosasummary.pdf)? :confused5:
With the second from last paragraph.
And whats with a big guy like carrying a little ole pea shooter :nixweiss:
Post by: porthole on December 06, 2011, 11:10:34 AM
"Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States"
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Traveler%27s+Guide+to+the+Firearm+Laws+of+the+Fifty+States&x=0&y=0
Post by: mrmagloo on December 06, 2011, 11:18:47 AM
Just got my class IV, now I can carry this cannon .22MAGNUM!
Isn't the the gun featured in that joke where you are supposed to shot your buddy in the knee cap in the event you both stumble on a bear?
Post by: faceracer on December 06, 2011, 11:21:34 AM
Don't remember if this was ever posted, but always good for an update.
"Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States"
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Traveler%27s+Guide+to+the+Firearm+Laws+of+the+Fifty+States&x=0&y=0
I think this is the same info for free! I check it once in awhile and before trips to see where I am legal and not.
http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/ (http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/)
Post by: spydglide on December 06, 2011, 12:00:24 PM
Isn't the the gun featured in that joke where you are supposed to shot your buddy in the knee cap in the event you both stumble on a bear?Well, sure, but I carry one sometimes as a primary and often as a secondary pistol....the muzzle blast of that lil magnum is enough to get most people off of ya without even considering the little hollow-pt. round. So concealable that I've known of pat-downs to miss them. :-X spyder
Post by: miker on December 06, 2011, 01:05:36 PM
Well, sure, but I carry one sometimes as a primary and often as a secondary pistol....the muzzle blast of that lil magnum is enough to get most people off of ya without even considering the little hollow-pt. round. So concealable that I've known of pat-downs to miss them. :-X spyder
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Post by: Midnight Rider on December 06, 2011, 01:28:54 PM
Post by: CWH on December 06, 2011, 03:11:45 PM
Post by: porthole on December 06, 2011, 06:20:01 PM
Have Walther's fallen out of favor? I used to have a PPK/s and thought it was a great gun. They now make a smaller/lighter PK380 that looks nice.
Still nice, still pricey and the S&W imported versions look very "Americanized". The PPS in 9 is on my next order list.
http://www.google.com/search?q=walther+pps&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=PK5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vKLeTtX-Hefj0QGU4pjSBw&ved=0CFoQsAQ&biw=1680&bih=867
Post by: TN on December 06, 2011, 08:20:30 PM
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
TN
Post by: porthole on December 07, 2011, 02:43:06 AM
this link is very helpful for traveling.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
They need to add one more category to that map. For States that "may" issue but never will.
New Jersey's website flat out says the likelihood of a regular person getting a CCP is near impossible, or about as likely as getting a license for machine guns. They actually use the MG reference in the paperwork.
Not going to get it in NYC or DC either. - And don't get caught with your concealed in those places.
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 09, 2011, 04:16:03 PM
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Terry, in addition to the nice 'carry-melt' treatment, I like the ball-milled front strap. Looks great....now give us the true test of how it functions when you get it out to a range. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
I'm anxious to try it out too...I've got 100 rounds of PMG's to run through it for "break in", and Hornady 90 G XTP's for a carry load. If you can recommend a better round for carry, please do so, as I'm not "up" on all that. Fell behind the curve a few years back. They normally recommend 200 rounds for break in, but the SAS is supposed to be better in that regard. Most reviews I've read from more recent times have said no problems with FTE or FTF if you're not using chitty rounds. I'll know next week when I get to go to the indoor range. We've only got one here, and the weekends are crowded. Being retired has it's advantages... :2vrolijk_21: Plus, it's located in a not so great part of town, so daylight is the only time to go there and you need to be locked and loaded when you leave. :huepfenlol2:
While the little S&W Airlite Ti is nice, it's not very friendly to actually shoot...the recoil will hurt your hand after about 20 shots or so. This little Sig is supposed to be nicer to you in that regard.
Now I need some kind of not so expensive 1911 style for the nightstand....recommendations that are not an arm and a leg? All I care about is reliability for the nightstand...looks don't MAS.
Post by: spydglide on December 09, 2011, 05:03:12 PM
I'm anxious to try it out too...I've got 100 rounds of PMG's to run through it for "break in", and Hornady 90 G XTP's for a carry load. If you can recommend a better round for carry, please do so, as I'm not "up" on all that. Fell behind the curve a few years back. They normally recommend 200 rounds for break in, but the SAS is supposed to be better in that regard. Most reviews I've read from more recent times have said no problems with FTE or FTF if you're not using chitty rounds. :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2:I've found the Remington 'Silver Tips' in .380 to be very reliable in all respects...much more than most out there and be sure to fire whatever you are going to be carrying to get the pistol & you used to it. ;) spyder
Now I need some kind of not so expensive 1911 style for the nightstand....recommendations that are not an arm and a leg? All I care about is reliability for the nightstand...looks don't MAS.
Post by: StevesCVO on December 09, 2011, 09:42:32 PM
Terry, in addition to the nice 'carry-melt' treatment, I like the ball-milled front strap. Looks great....now give us the true test of how it functions when you get it out to a range. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
That is one good looking piece. I'm interested to hear how it runs at the range too.
Post by: spada84 on December 09, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
New aquisition today: Sig Sauer P238 SAS After reading several reviews on this gun, I decided I couldn't live without it. They had some issues when first released, but now all is well. The SAS version has supposedly been through Sig's "Custom Shop", so has been melted, and has nicer grips than the standard model. It was only $10 more to get the SAS than the regular two tone, and it is supposed to be more snag proof in clothing. Comes with a nice little Poly belt holster. Nice little piece...15 oz with magazine unloaded, and fit's my small hands nicely. Easy to conceal in a pocket. Has night sights on it too.
Saw these at the gun show here last weekend. Came to the same decision, but I was there to sell a few items, and not buy. Got our "end of year" bonus today, and I have a P226 that a friend is buying. Guess I'll be shopping for myself next week :huepfenlol2: .
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 10, 2011, 12:33:17 AM
Saw these at the gun show here last weekend. Came to the same decision, but I was there to sell a few items, and not buy. Got our "end of year" bonus today, and I have a P226 that a friend is buying. Guess I'll be shopping for myself next week :huepfenlol2: .
The Equinox (sp?) is also a damn good looking pistole...hell, even the normal two tone is a nice looking piece, without the grips and the melting. The Equinox has fiber optics sights on the front, but not the melting...plus, it's got a different "look", being polished in places. From what I've read all over the internet (and we all know that is gospell :huepfenlol2:), you can't go wrong with the basic mechanism, weight, and size, so whatever model would be fine.
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 10, 2011, 12:37:56 AM
Terry, in addition to the nice 'carry-melt' treatment, I like the ball-milled front strap. Looks great....now give us the true test of how it functions when you get it out to a range. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
Educate me, Buddy...WTF is a Ball Milled Front Strap? The part that functions as a trigger guard? It's Purdy, and functional, all at the same time. :huepfenlol2:
Post by: spydglide on December 10, 2011, 07:32:33 AM
Educate me, Buddy...WTF is a Ball Milled Front Strap? The part that functions as a trigger guard? It's Purdy, and functional, all at the same time. :huepfenlol2:The vertical 'grooves' in the front of the pistol 'handle' (reciever for the magazine) that your fingers below the trigger finger wrap around. They're one way to give addition traction for your grip, esp. good for a super small pistol. Some custom shops use 'stippling' or file-checkering to afford the same thing on various parts of the 'gripping surfaces'. This pistol may be the old Colt designed .380 that Sig bought the plans for and is now re-introducing....or maybe I'm thinking of another pistol.....it looks very similar to my old Colt .380, it's a good little carry package. How much do the spare mags cost? Be sure and carry a couple all loaded up since that's one of the main advantages of a auto pistol over the revolver. ;) :nixweiss: spyder
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 10, 2011, 11:34:27 AM
The vertical 'grooves' in the front of the pistol 'handle' (reciever for the magazine) that your fingers below the trigger finger wrap around. They're one way to give addition traction for your grip, esp. good for a super small pistol. Some custom shops use 'stippling' or file-checkering to afford the same thing on various parts of the 'gripping surfaces'. This pistol may be the old Colt designed .380 that Sig bought the plans for and is now re-introducing....or maybe I'm thinking of another pistol.....it looks very similar to my old Colt .380, it's a good little carry package. How much do the spare mags cost? Be sure and carry a couple all loaded up since that's one of the main advantages of a auto pistol over the revolver. ;) :nixweiss: spyder
Thanks...Yes, it is the old Colt design that Sig bought some 10 years ago or so. I've read that the old Colt magazines will fit and work in this model as well. I ordered two Sig magazines on line for $31 each. Sig only furnishes 1 with the gun. The dealer here in town only had some old used Colt mags, and I was reluctant to buy them as he was asking too much, IMO. So I opted for the Sigs and a Richie pocket holster. I've yet to find a IWB that is comfortable to me, and this gun is small enough to comfortably reside in front or rear pocket.
Post by: 1sharprdkg on December 10, 2011, 11:48:36 AM
Thanks...Yes, it is the old Colt design that Sig bought some 10 years ago or so. I've read that the old Colt magazines will fit and work in this model as well. I ordered two Sig magazines on line for $31 each. Sig only furnishes 1 with the gun. The dealer here in town only had some old used Colt mags, and I was reluctant to buy them as he was asking too much, IMO. So I opted for the Sigs and a Richie pocket holster. I've yet to find a IWB that is comfortable to me, and this gun is small enough to comfortably reside in front or rear pocket.Fine looking pistol Terry. May have to Merry Christmas myself one of those. Buying "used" mags is like a box of chocolate's, you never know what your gonna get! Wouldn't trust my life on a NEW magazine without it having several rounds run through it!
Post by: mrmagloo on December 10, 2011, 12:02:11 PM
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Post by: faceracer on December 11, 2011, 07:23:59 PM
Here ya go --
I wonder if that de-ters tailgaters? :nixweiss:
Post by: mrmagloo on December 12, 2011, 11:21:41 AM
Does anyone have a solution to the problems in traveling across the northern states and diving in and out of Canada? Is there any kind of system where you can check in your firearm, cross into Canada, and then retrieve it on the way back through?
Not to my knowledge. My wifes family is out of the Parry Sound area, and handguns are totally illegal, and it's a serious crime to have one. I know that even if you have a vault in your vehicle, and the pistol is totally broken down, if they find it, you will get the book thrown at you. As such, I seriously doubt they would accommodate storing or transferring a pistol for you. I mean think about it, a pistol up there is worse than a bag of pot. Do you think they'd store or transfer pot for you?
The only possibility would be to send the pistol to an FFL in the US near the point where you will be reentering the US for good, once you're done in Canada. If you are exiting the same spot where you will be entering, just find a FFL near the border. They might only charge a few dollars storage.
Post by: Gank on December 12, 2011, 12:55:52 PM
But, bringing them into Canada, moving accross Canada and back out is a problem.
I would suggest you contact the local Canadian Consulate or check the web. Try Border Services. They can let you know what you have to do
Post by: mrmagloo on December 12, 2011, 03:06:33 PM
Pistols are not illegal in Canada... I own a couple.
But, bringing them into Canada, moving accross Canada and back out is a problem.
I would suggest you contact the local Canadian Consulate or check the web. Try Border Services. They can let you know what you have to do
You are correct - I meant totally illegal for a non-citizen to possess a handgun. Even US citizens that own property up there. However, even for Canadian citizens, handguns are restricted and I think the barrels must be at least 4-1/2" and I think must be either .22 caliber or below OR larger than .32 caliber, something goofy like that. Even then, they have a long list of handguns above and beyond this that are specifically prohibited.
The point being as it relates to the OP, he cannot bring it over the boarder, period.
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Post by: spydglide on December 12, 2011, 09:28:13 PM
Traveled into Canada this past summer with a couple of friends. While going through a construction zone, we had a guy in a mini van go MAJOR ROAD RAGE on us. I thought to myself after he left, "what if and who knows". After riding another 3 days came up with a good solution. I purchase a large can a "Bear Spray" that I now carry in my left saddlebag guard bag. Bet the fight would have been out of him when he had snot running from his nose and tears pouring from his eyes.Great solution. Some say the cans of wasp/hornet spray are effective on lots of different 'pests' also. Just hard to carry around and keep handy. spyder
Post by: VaEagle on December 12, 2011, 11:17:54 PM
Sprays can also backfire on the user if the wind changes.
Plus would you really want a mad blinded person driving a vehicle that is thousands of pounds heaver than you and your bike? Then you could have a liability issue if that blinded driver runs into an innocent person etc.
I know we all like to think about paying back someone who has made us mad by being stupid or aggressive but is that moment of satisfaction worth spending time in prison or loosing everthing we own? Only the individual can decide if their actions are worth the consequences though.
The old days of "giving a payback" and getting away with it are pretty much gone with all of the traffic cams/ surveillance cams / and cell phone cams.
Post by: indcoltz on December 13, 2011, 08:56:46 AM
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 13, 2011, 11:13:11 AM
One could debate the merits of ANY defensive action and the potential repercussions. Bear spray is a pretty good alternative to deadly force, IMO. In a bad situation, lots of things can happen, but doing something is better than just laying down. Of course, fleeing is the best alternative...
Post by: spydglide on December 13, 2011, 12:10:52 PM
Post by: darth davidson on December 13, 2011, 12:29:07 PM
It would be pretty stupid to spray pepper spray in someone's window while they are driving...I don't think that was the intent of the suggestion...but to have some kind of defense if someone got out of the vehicle to confront or attempt assault on your person. If you picked up a stick and hit 'em in the head, you could also be liable. Shooting someone can also make you liable. Hell, any kind of defensive action is subject to liability, but it would sure be better than getting the chit beat out of you or being dead.
One could debate the merits of ANY defensive action and the potential repercussions. Bear spray is a pretty good alternative to deadly force, IMO. In a bad situation, lots of things can happen, but doing something is better than just laying down. Of course, fleeing is the best alternative...
In Florida , if you have any fear for your life or that of your family or bodily harm. Tap twice . Self defense applies period.
Post by: Eagle Eye on December 13, 2011, 03:13:31 PM
According to the officer, anytime you approach someone else threatening them, it is considered battery. Touching or hitting them would add assult to the charge. Self defense is just that. We do not have to be victims.
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 13, 2011, 05:28:22 PM
run away.......run away. :D har. spyder
If I have the chance, that's what I'll do. The last thing I'd ever want to do is hurt somebody, but I guarantee that I would have no issue killing somebody who was trying to hurt me, or especially my wife. I'm not saying I'd react WELL to the situation, but some people don't need to be on the planet. So far, I have not ever been put in a situation where my life was actually threatened, so I guess I don't really know how I'd react, but somebody's gonna' die if it ever comes to that. I'd feel worse about killing a dog than I would some people...
My wife of 24 years (wife number 1...I'm on 3 now ;) ) took a training course with the local police dept some years back so she could at least learn how to shoot and when to do so. The cop who taught the class told them to empty the gun in 'em if they are in your house, or even if they are attempting to come in. He said that old wive's tale about them having to be in your house is BS...if they end up on the front porch, that's OK. He also advised NOT to tell the LEO anything immediately after the event, other than "I was in fear for my life, or my loved one's life". Call a lawyer and make a statement after you've had time to actually think about what happened.
Post by: porthole on December 13, 2011, 08:17:39 PM
He said that old wive's tale about them having to be in your house is BS...if they end up on the front porch, that's OK.
The "Castle Doctrine" is not valid in all States.
Post by: spydglide on December 13, 2011, 08:44:53 PM
The "Castle Doctrine" is not valid in all States.It will be here in a few days. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
Post by: charles05663 on December 13, 2011, 09:07:22 PM
Post by: spydglide on December 13, 2011, 09:13:51 PM
In Vermont they send you to jail for protecting yourself. :soapbox: If you shoot someone here trying to do you harm, I will almost guarantee that you will be tried in a court of law. I can think of three cases in as many years where someone ended up in prison for doing so.Too many places have become like that........not sure why people chose to live under those laws. :-\ spyder
Post by: DOOFUS on December 14, 2011, 08:48:07 AM
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Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 14, 2011, 10:53:07 AM
I think maybe in the past you could say something like only go where there are good people. It's not that way anymore. There are bad people that wish to do you harm everywhere. I know that sounds a little paranoid but I prefer to be prepared and always carry. Better to have and not need then to need and not have. :2vrolijk_21:
Totally agree! We may be able to control our environment where we live but we can't control the people that pass through our neighborhood's that are bad. So, carry and be prepared :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: mrmagloo on December 14, 2011, 12:46:12 PM
I don't think there's any evidence to suggest the world now is any more dangerous than in years gone by, except perhaps the Mesozoic era.
Just saying...
Post by: porthole on December 14, 2011, 01:42:02 PM
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Post by: Midnight Rider on December 14, 2011, 02:17:50 PM
Violent crime rate 160.9 158.1 168.2 200.2 253.2 328.7 396.0 417.4 487.8 475.9 548.9 594.3 537.7 556.6 609.7 663.1 758.2 747.1 684.5 611.0 523.0 504.5 475.8 469.0 472.0 429.4 403.6
Homicide rate 5.1 4.8 4.6 5.1 6.2 7.3 8.6 9.4 9.6 8.8 9.8 9.8 8.3 8.0 8.3 8.7 9.8 9.5 8.2 6.8 5.7 5.6 5.7 5.6 5.7 5.0 4.8
Property crime rate 1,726 1,747 2,012 2,249 2,736 3,351 3,769 3,737 4,811 4,602 5,017 5,264 4,637 4,650 4,940 5,078 5,140 4,740 4,591 4,316 3,744 3,658 3,591 3,432 3,277 3,036 2,941
Crimes per 100,000 population
This table would not copy/paste formatted correctly, but you get the idea. There was a fairly dramatic increase throughout most of the 90's, but has been steadily decreasing over the past several years. It still remains much higher per 100K than it was 50 years ago, when I was a kid. A great deal of the decrease can possibly be attributed to baby boomers aging...even seasoned criminals get too old to do things they might have done in their younger years. There are other possible contributing factors as well, but some of them are socially/politically sensitive, so won't be mentioned here. And there are certain areas of the country that have seen dramatic increases in the last few years. The Homicide rate is about the same as it was in 1960, but any given individual is over 2 times more likely to be on the receiving end of a violent crime...same holds true for property crimes. Ever read any research about what happens when there's too many rats in the tank? It ain't pretty.
Post by: spydglide on December 14, 2011, 02:25:16 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 14, 2011, 02:51:27 PM
There are several areas of B'ham that I would not even dream of going into without an Uzi, but they are on the other side of town. Traveling is my biggest concern this day and time.
Post by: Big Dog on December 14, 2011, 07:38:46 PM
http://www.versacarry.com/
Post by: porthole on December 14, 2011, 10:01:12 PM
For those lucky enough to carry.
http://www.versacarry.com/
Another one of those "why didn't I think of that?"
I use a closet hook that works on almost the same principal, been using for about 20 years.
Post by: Pete7539 on December 15, 2011, 04:11:37 AM
For those lucky enough to carry.
http://www.versacarry.com/
Nice find! I use one of these for a compact glock http://www.clipdraw.com/ but I've got a smith that I don't wanna ugly up with anything and that'll work nice :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: PASN YU on December 15, 2011, 07:40:01 AM
Post by: mrmagloo on December 15, 2011, 10:29:14 AM
Imho, after you figure out these gizmos aren't the hot ticket, you'll seek out a decent IWB/OWB holster.
Post by: porthole on December 15, 2011, 10:32:09 AM
Post by: mrmagloo on December 15, 2011, 10:38:46 AM
T-shirt?
Give it a whirl. People aren't spending $150+ and waiting 6 months for a Milt Sparks VMII IBW for nothing! I ended up spending probably twice times as much wasting money on gizmos and cheap holsters before I saw the light. Somethings going top shelf right off the bat really does pay off.
Post by: spydglide on December 15, 2011, 11:50:23 AM
If you wear for many hours a day, having a pistol against your skin is going to get uncomfortable real quick. That's before you figure out what your body moisture is going to do the tthe finish of you weapon.Yeah, I read some of the 'testimonials' and from personal experience, don't believe any of them. Would get 'old' real quick on anything other than 'occasional' carry. Even a cheap thin leather clip on would be better just because of the wrap around the pistol. And the bigger the pistol, the more important that becomes. spyder
Imho, after you figure out these gizmos aren't the hot ticket, you'll seek out a decent IWB/OWB holster.
Post by: mrmagloo on December 15, 2011, 12:38:03 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on December 15, 2011, 01:48:43 PM
http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/SuperTuckDeluxe/tabid/90/List/0/ProductID/1/CategoryID/1/Level/1/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 15, 2011, 02:51:35 PM
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Post by: mrmagloo on December 15, 2011, 06:50:01 PM
The one thing to remember while testing ccw and holsters for the first time is, don't just the zipper all the way down while taking a leak. I learned the hard way. Nothing worse than standing in a crowded public restroom at the urinal and your pants sudden falls all the way to the floor. Ackward to say the least. Practice at home.
BTW - Some people really like those Crossbreads too. Not as elegant, and big, but supposedly pretty comfortable. I've never tried one.
Post by: VaEagle on December 16, 2011, 01:23:44 AM
In my 33 plus years of carry I have learned that it is best to get lots of practice in whatever carry setup you use. Try out the draw and holstering in positions you can expect in a day such as seated in a car or on the bike etc. What may look cool on T.V. may not work i real life.
many times in training it has been mentioned that if at all possible a person should carry the weapon in the same spot all the time because in a time of stress you will resort to muscle memory. If you have to stop and think about where the gun is today it slows down your draw and may telegraph your actions to the bad guy.
Part of a person's discomfort in carrying a weapon can be tight clothes as mentioned by others but it can also be from the changing positions and not letting your body get adjusted to carrying. Many people including bad guys can spot a person new to concealed carry by the way the "rookie" frequently pats where it is or is making adjustments.
I like this holster by Galco since it's an IWB that protects the weapon and gives the body some cushioning from sharp edges, the suede finish combined with the J hook keeps the holster in place when you draw so you get just the weapon and not the holster.
This style of hook also allows you to tuck in your shirt and still conceal the weapon. Your belt conceals the clip itself.
http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/395_Glock+36/3966_USA+-+IWB+Holster/?return=%3ftpl%3Dindex%26category_id%3D395%26%26%26page%3D3%26nothumbs%3D%26filter_1%3D%26filter_2%3D%26filter_3%3D%26filter_4%3D
I also like the Glock not only for the accuracy but the most durable finish I have found to carry IWB.
Post by: mrmagloo on December 16, 2011, 10:39:48 AM
Post by: CVOThunder on December 16, 2011, 11:49:21 AM
Thanks.
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 16, 2011, 11:54:33 AM
Post by: CVOThunder on December 16, 2011, 12:16:06 PM
Post by: mrmagloo on December 16, 2011, 12:59:11 PM
I haven't read much of the thread so this might have been covered already. When you're filling out the CCW permit and they ask for justification on why I need to conceal what is a valid point that they will accept? Not sure if it varies by state or agency. I've heard that if you carry large sums of cash that approach works. Not sure if travelling to different states and out on the road alot wuod suffice. While I have a S&W 9mm, I've never concealed it...or actually fired it since I bought it in 1990. It's spent more time in a base armory than any other place and I've just never taken the time to go to a range to fire it. With that lack of usage I'm not sure why I want a .45 ACP but I do. Always thought the Desert Eagle .44 would be a cool pistol to own but it seems the best place for that is either in the movies or out hunting as a back up weapon.
Thanks.
Yeah, I've got FL and UT, and don't recall being asked for justification. Imho, you shouldn't need to justify a right? Either way, a .45 is a great CCW weapon. Depending on your body size, a Pro or Ultra might be easier to conceal than a full length Govt.
Post by: VaEagle on December 16, 2011, 01:21:37 PM
I don't remember that question on the form here, but I'd likely answer with just a simple "For Self Defense".
TCnBham is correct, many states are right to carry and you don't have to justify carring a weapon. The reverse is true in those states, they have to prove you have some problem and can't carry.
A .45 is a great self defense gun and the Glock model 36 is very concealable and can be carried for a long time without getting tired or having your pants fall down..... :huepfenlol2:
Post by: CVOThunder on December 16, 2011, 01:23:41 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on December 16, 2011, 01:34:26 PM
I haven't read much of the thread so this might have been covered already. When you're filling out the CCW permit and they ask for justification on why I need to conceal what is a valid point that they will accept? Not sure if it varies by state or agency. I've heard that if you carry large sums of cash that approach works. Not sure if travelling to different states and out on the road alot wuod suffice. While I have a S&W 9mm, I've never concealed it...or actually fired it since I bought it in 1990. It's spent more time in a base armory than any other place and I've just never taken the time to go to a range to fire it. With that lack of usage I'm not sure why I want a .45 ACP but I do. Always thought the Desert Eagle .44 would be a cool pistol to own but it seems the best place for that is either in the movies or out hunting as a back up weapon.
Thanks.
Depending on your line of work, saying that you carry large amounts of cash, cod's and what not is a valid reason....in some states
Post by: CVOThunder on December 16, 2011, 01:57:43 PM
Depending on your line of work, saying that you carry large amounts of cash, cod's and what not is a valid reason....in some states
Defense contractor in Iraq so I'm only home 35 days a year. Wish I could pack here as well but like my last job, if you have a weapon and they find out about it you're out of a job. I'm really really not digging that aspect right now.
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 16, 2011, 02:17:38 PM
I haven't read much of the thread so this might have been covered already. When you're filling out the CCW permit and they ask for justification on why I need to conceal what is a valid point that they will accept? Not sure if it varies by state or agency. I've heard that if you carry large sums of cash that approach works. Not sure if travelling to different states and out on the road alot wuod suffice. While I have a S&W 9mm, I've never concealed it...or actually fired it since I bought it in 1990. It's spent more time in a base armory than any other place and I've just never taken the time to go to a range to fire it. With that lack of usage I'm not sure why I want a .45 ACP but I do. Always thought the Desert Eagle .44 would be a cool pistol to own but it seems the best place for that is either in the movies or out hunting as a back up weapon.
Thanks.
I was never asked this question when getting my CCW
Post by: grayghost731 on December 16, 2011, 03:26:39 PM
I don't remember that question on the form here, but I'd likely answer with just a simple "For Self Defense".
As long as you dont have mental issues (that are documented) or felonies .SELF DEFENSE is all you need to say
AT least that is how it is in Michigan :nixweiss:
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 16, 2011, 04:18:25 PM
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As long as you dont have mental issues (that are documented) or felonies .SELF DEFENSE is all you need to say
AT least that is how it is in Michigan :nixweiss:
Who on here doesn't have mental issues? The voices are what told me to spend 36K on a friggin' motorcycle... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
The meds help though...
Post by: spydglide on December 16, 2011, 04:23:47 PM
The voices are what told me to spend 36K on a friggin' motorcycle... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:Yeah, but that's for a motorcycle that you don't have to add anything to.. ::)...right? har. spyder
Post by: Pete7539 on December 16, 2011, 10:53:12 PM
Post by: CVOThunder on December 17, 2011, 07:43:23 AM
Post by: 2k on December 17, 2011, 09:51:37 AM
I haven't read much of the thread so this might have been covered already. When you're filling out the CCW permit and they ask for justification on why I need to conceal what is a valid point that they will accept? Not sure if it varies by state or agency. I've heard that if you carry large sums of cash that approach works. Not sure if travelling to different states and out on the road alot wuod suffice. While I have a S&W 9mm, I've never concealed it...or actually fired it since I bought it in 1990. It's spent more time in a base armory than any other place and I've just never taken the time to go to a range to fire it. With that lack of usage I'm not sure why I want a .45 ACP but I do. Always thought the Desert Eagle .44 would be a cool pistol to own but it seems the best place for that is either in the movies or out hunting as a back up weapon.I have a .45 Ruger P90DC, if you ever have to use it you will love a big bullet!!!
Thanks.
Post by: Pete7539 on December 17, 2011, 10:13:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoMMbEiC63o
Post by: porthole on December 17, 2011, 10:47:41 AM
Post by: Pete7539 on December 17, 2011, 10:55:44 AM
Post by: Pete7539 on December 17, 2011, 10:59:50 AM
Post by: naitram on December 17, 2011, 11:29:23 AM
Still legal in all 50, just restricted to 10 round mags instead of 20 that most others allow. FN regulates their AP ammo, but there are other vendors that sell it. 2700 fps with no recoil and devestating ballistics results
dont think you can get the FN57 here in MA
Post by: Pete7539 on December 17, 2011, 11:36:26 AM
Post by: porthole on December 17, 2011, 11:47:46 AM
For that matter, in NJ, if you own or possess no firearms, it is still illegal to own +15 magazines. Some parts are also totally prohibited, such as a folding stock - no firearm required.
We're talking you get caught with this stuff and you are going to jail.
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Post by: 2k on December 17, 2011, 12:05:59 PM
Post by: 1sharprdkg on December 17, 2011, 12:20:44 PM
One thing they have proved over & over outlaw guns & only outlaws will havum.Yep been that way for a long time 2k.
Post by: Pete7539 on December 17, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
MA, similar to NJ & NY have their own laws that supersede federal. For example, you do not even need to a own a magazine to have an illegal CAR-15.
For that matter, in NJ, if you own or possess no firearms, it is still illegal to own +15 magazines. Some parts are also totally prohibited, such as a folding stock - no firearm required.
We're talking you get caught with this stuff and you are going to jail.
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Holy-feces! I thought NY was bad. I know that if you have a legal pre-ban AR with a collapsible stock and if you also possess a post 94 that is compliant, they can bang you with a felony because you can potentially own an illegal AW because you have the components to do so.
I really think you'd have to be doing something really dumb to be charged with that though. But as stated before the criminals don't care and they own em. Lucky for us, they don't practice or clean em so with any luck they miss on the first round and don't know how to clear the stovepipe on follow up
Post by: porthole on December 17, 2011, 09:26:59 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on December 18, 2011, 10:51:09 AM
Post by: 2k on December 18, 2011, 11:46:24 AM
That's just disgusting. Is there any regulation against caliber? You could put a Beowulf .50 cal upper on an AR platform that can penetrate an engine block, still technically legal. But a .22 marlin isn't!?!Just goes to show......our Lawmakers don't get it!!!!!
Post by: porthole on December 21, 2011, 05:32:38 PM
Father accidentally kills himself in front of children at grocery store
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-father-had-gun-tucked-into-pants-waistband-20111116,0,1545282.story
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 21, 2011, 06:15:41 PM
That's the reason I just ordered this for the new P238
Custom design... M-11...the brown/cordovan parts are Terju Lizard on both the holster and the mag carrier...
Brigade Leather out of Kansas: 6 months wait....one man shop.
Meanwhile I use a pocket holster from Ritchies Leather that has a cover on the thumb safety so it doesn't accidently get moved while in the pocket.
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 21, 2011, 06:16:28 PM
Post by: spydglide on December 21, 2011, 06:36:11 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on December 21, 2011, 07:12:51 PM
No holster..........................
Father accidentally kills himself in front of children at grocery store
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-father-had-gun-tucked-into-pants-waistband-20111116,0,1545282.story
That is why I won't carry my 27 without this
http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=396&action=show_detail
The 3 way safety of the glock is nice that you can throw it off a building and it won't go off, but without a holster, TF outta TG isn't always possible. With a block it is
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 22, 2011, 02:37:05 AM
Looks like 'Formal Wear' Terry. :toff: Hope it works well for ya whenever you receive it. :drink: spyder
It's purdy, so I ordered it...sold some stuff to justify the cause. Now I want a 1911 45 or mm...or two. Meanwhile, what I have will do fine.
Post by: cvobiker on December 22, 2011, 08:31:53 AM
Wow...how'd that happen on a DAO gun?
That's the reason I just ordered this for the new P238
Custom design... M-11...the brown/cordovan parts are Terju Lizard on both the holster and the mag carrier...
Brigade Leather out of Kansas: 6 months wait....one man shop.
Meanwhile I use a pocket holster from Ritchies Leather that has a cover on the thumb safety so it doesn't accidently get moved while in the pocket.
Very good choice... Now I want another one so bad, I'm actually scamming up an excuse for wify ;D.
Post by: darth davidson on December 22, 2011, 09:37:10 AM
Wow...how'd that happen on a DAO gun?I just don't carry one in the chamber, never.
That's the reason I just ordered this for the new P238
Custom design... M-11...the brown/cordovan parts are Terju Lizard on both the holster and the mag carrier...
Brigade Leather out of Kansas: 6 months wait....one man shop.
Meanwhile I use a pocket holster from Ritchies Leather that has a cover on the thumb safety so it doesn't accidently get moved while in the pocket.
Post by: spydglide on December 22, 2011, 09:54:28 AM
Wow...how'd that happen on a DAO gun?DAO= 'all one movement'..............safety? what safety? :confused5: spyder
Post by: spada84 on December 22, 2011, 11:42:57 AM
DAO= 'all one movement'..............safety? what safety? :confused5: spyderX2
I sold my first 1911 'cause I wasn't comfortable carrying "cocked and locked". Had a Glock, but didn't like the fact I couldn't lock it out.
I have a Para Ordinance LDA 1911 that I really like - DAO and 1911 safety. If carrying full size now, I mostly carry a Colt 1911 in a Galco with a thumb-break under the cocked and locked hammer.
Kinda useless carrying a SD weapon without one in the chamber. Too much time to put into service.
Post by: charles05663 on December 22, 2011, 01:07:28 PM
Kinda useless carrying a SD weapon without one in the chamber. Too much time to put into service.
Then it would be like Hollywood where everyone is seen chambering a round right before they go into action.
Post by: darth davidson on December 22, 2011, 01:13:06 PM
X2
Kinda useless carrying a SD weapon without one in the chamber. Too much time to put into service.
Perhaps. I would not tell that to the children of the guy that killed himself.
Post by: dlaws01 on December 22, 2011, 01:50:52 PM
That's downright ludicrous! If that were the case then almost everybody in America could be arrested for being a potential terrorist for having enough general household items around to build a bomb! i.e. cleaning fluids, fuels for your mower, fertilizer for your garden, diesel in your truck or tractor, alarm clock, etc. Does my owning a Remington 1100 12ga. shotgun and having a hacksaw in my toolbox make me a criminal because I have the means to saw the barrel off? What the people of these states with such stupid, liberal lawmakers should do is vote their a$$'s out of office.
Post by: spada84 on December 22, 2011, 02:22:20 PM
Perhaps. I would not tell that to the children of the guy that killed himself.Hate to sound harsh, but if you can afford a Glock, you can afford a holster.
As I stated, I sold my Glock for, among other reasons, it had no "safety" as such. Yeah, you actually have to pull the trigger, but that little tab doesn't help much, IMO. Great guns, accurate, reliable, and a good choice for LEO duty weapons. Not so much for me, and obviously for the guy who killed himself.
I'm sorry for the situation that he left his family in, but I owe him, nor them, any apology.
Post by: darth davidson on December 22, 2011, 02:30:24 PM
Hate to sound harsh, but if you can afford a Glock, you can afford a holster.
As I stated, I sold my Glock for, among other reasons, it had no "safety" as such. Yeah, you actually have to pull the trigger, but that little tab doesn't help much, IMO. Great guns, accurate, reliable, and a good choice for LEO duty weapons. Not so much for me, and obviously for the guy who killed himself.
I'm sorry for the situation that he left his family in, but I owe him, nor them, any apology.
I agree . He brought that upon himself. I carry Glocks , Kimber and Sigs always holstered.
Post by: Pete7539 on December 22, 2011, 04:49:55 PM
I know that if you have a legal pre-ban AR with a collapsible stock and if you also possess a post 94 that is compliant, they can bang you with a felony because you can potentially own an illegal AW because you have the components to do so.
That's downright ludicrous! If that were the case then almost everybody in America could be arrested for being a potential terrorist for having enough general household items around to build a bomb! i.e. cleaning fluids, fuels for your mower, fertilizer for your garden, diesel in your truck or tractor, alarm clock, etc. Does my owning a Remington 1100 12ga. shotgun and having a hacksaw in my toolbox make me a criminal because I have the means to saw the barrel off? What the people of these states with such stupid, liberal lawmakers should do is vote their a$$'s out of office.
I know its ludicrous, but the AWB of 94 was adopted by several states after it sunset in 04. The writing is so gray its ridiculous. If someone wants to make a headline of assault weapons off the street, then some poor sap will be spending at least $10k defending themselves. Throw it at the wall and see if it sticks, make a headline and appeal to soccer moms that you're a hero. The outcome won't make the papers. All depends on the prosecutor is the bottom line. Most importantly support the NRA, read what they have to say, see what politicians are voting on in your area. There are too many squeaky wheels out there that know nothing, but are constantly being oiled. Support the groups that are making noise on your behalf.
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 22, 2011, 05:35:14 PM
Thanks for all of your input, but telling the "Bad Guy's" what you carry and where is a bad idea. Maybe we should go a little quieter about our toyz....and use em when we need too...............
Just a thought......
_B
Post by: SERG3 on December 22, 2011, 05:52:44 PM
Screamin_Beagle
100%
Post by: spada84 on December 22, 2011, 05:57:31 PM
Fellas,
Thanks for all of your input, but telling the "Bad Guy's" what you carry and where is a bad idea. Maybe we should go a little quieter about our toyz....and use em when we need too...............
Just a thought......
_B
Crap. I wasn't aware that bad guys were members here.
I know, they're everywhere. :oops:
Post by: DOOFUS on December 22, 2011, 08:51:10 PM
Post by: DOOFUS on December 22, 2011, 08:56:43 PM
Post by: dmnrdn on December 22, 2011, 09:32:18 PM
Kinda useless carrying a SD weapon without one in the chamber. Too much time to put into service.
The Mossad and other elite forces carry an empty chamber and those guys can get a hit on target faster than most do with one in the chamber and drawing. The secret to it is the same no matter how you carry. Practice practice practice ad regularly
Post by: spydglide on December 22, 2011, 10:07:49 PM
The Mossad and other elite forces carry an empty chamber and those guys can get a hit on target faster than most do with one in the chamber and drawing. The secret to it is the same no matter how you carry. Practice practice practice ad regularlyAbsolutely agree (although the practice was much better when Uncle Sugar was buying all the ammo). :2vrolijk_21: har. spyder
Post by: mrmagloo on December 22, 2011, 11:39:50 PM
Fellas,
Thanks for all of your input, but telling the "Bad Guy's" what you carry and where is a bad idea. Maybe we should go a little quieter about our toyz....and use em when we need too...............
Just a thought......
_B
If a bad guy is casing me, and he's dedicated to the point that he stalks my every move, and is capable to track me online to filter through every post I make on umpteen different forums for intel on what I might be packing, the guy is pretty good - wasting his time, but certainly dedicated. However, does it really matter if it's a .45 or a .40, or a .454 for that matter? No matter what I carry, he still has to risk me not using it when I recognize him as the threat, right? Thanks for the concern, but that's the least of my worries.
Post by: Pete7539 on December 23, 2011, 06:41:52 AM
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 23, 2011, 11:43:35 AM
If a bad guy is casing me, and he's dedicated to the point that he stalks my every move, and is capable to track me online to filter through every post I make on umpteen different forums for intel on what I might be packing, the guy is pretty good - wasting his time, but certainly dedicated. However, does it really matter if it's a .45 or a .40, or a .454 for that matter? No matter what I carry, he still has to risk me not using it when I recognize him as the threat, right? Thanks for the concern, but that's the least of my worries.
Me too...the very last thing that concerns me is someone lurking on a forum about motorcycles to find out who carries a gun. And if they did, they'd probably be less likely to target my home than someone elses who they knew did not carry. With all the gun owner's forums out there on the internet, if someone wanted to steal someone's guns, that'd be the place to look. But if I was inclined to break into a home to steal things like guns, the very last place I'd go is someone who I KNOW ahead of time is likely to blow my chit away if given the chance.
Post by: Chains on December 23, 2011, 12:02:13 PM
Post by: VaEagle on December 23, 2011, 12:04:15 PM
Officers are trained to be careful off duty and not advertise that they are law enforcement or armed since bad guys look for signs like FOP shirts and license plate frames or at a convenience store counter checking out a person's keyring for a handcuff key. That type of telegraphing may mean you get the first bullet if some bad guy opens fire.
Probaby a greater risk of becoming a burglary victim is to post your planned vacations. With all the ways to locate a person on the web and photos of your goodies that many are now geotagged it's like advertising "Look at all the neat stuff located at...and i will be away on these dates..." I agree that a motorcycle website is not the most frequented website for this though, probably greater chance on a social network like Facebook or Myspace.
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 23, 2011, 12:23:41 PM
I agree that looking for people with guns is not the most attractive thing for someone to come after. I do feel that being discreet is a good thing such as concealed carry is better than open carry (unless at a range).
Officers are trained to be careful off duty and not advertise that they are law enforcement or armed since bad guys look for signs like FOP shirts and license plate frames or at a convenience store counter checking out a person's keyring for a handcuff key. That type of telegraphing may mean you get the first bullet if some bad guy opens fire.
Probaby a greater risk of becoming a burglary victim is to post your planned vacations. With all the ways to locate a person on the web and photos of your goodies that many are now geotagged it's like advertising "Look at all the neat stuff located at...and i will be away on these dates..." I agree that a motorcycle website is not the most frequented website for this though, probably greater chance on a social network like Facebook or Myspace.
And generally, people are much more open about their personal information on those places.
IMO, real acts of violence are generally random...you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time. While theives may work an area of town for a short while, with thousands of homes to choose from, they're going to pick those that are easy targets...not well lighted, no dogs, hidden ways to enter, etc.
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 23, 2011, 12:31:45 PM
Post by: Talon on December 23, 2011, 12:59:34 PM
Post by: Talon on December 23, 2011, 01:10:30 PM
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 23, 2011, 01:39:48 PM
Looks like Moma's virtue is safe at home. Suzie is too. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 23, 2011, 01:41:09 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 23, 2011, 06:14:34 PM
Got to break in the new Sig P238 SAS. This is truely a SWEET little gun!! 150 rounds of PMG FMJ in three different magazines, a box of 25 Hornady TPX, and a box of 25 Hornady Critical Defense. Not one single problem, even mixing them up a couple of times on purpose. The gun is very accurate, very controllable recoil, and comfortable in the hand. Shooting targets at 5 yards and 10 yards was no problem...the bad guy would be big time dead. I'm not even that great a shot, but was able to do tight groups wherever I chose to point, often in the same hole. I will try and take a picture of the last target to show how the Hornady ammo performed in this little gun.
Probably the nicest gun I've ever shot, though I don't have near the experience of some of you guys. I am very pleased with both the performance and the aesthetics of this weapon. Got several compliments on the gun and my shot placement from the Range Master. Got to love the 1911 features on a gun this small, and with my old raggedy eyes, I was fairly amazed at my accuracy. Highly recommend this weapon if you're looking for a nice 380 that is very concealable. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
I was intentionally aiming and trying to group in particular zones. 12 rounds to the head, same to the chest, and to the stomach area. A couple in the right shoulder on purpose. Then a couple of wild ones, but overall I hit things I needed to hit.
Post by: Rickasha on December 23, 2011, 10:12:33 PM
No doubt Sig hit a home run with the P238, it is a very nice quality piece. When you get a chance check out Crossbreed Micro Clip IWB holster very very comfortable for the 238.
Post by: mrmagloo on December 27, 2011, 10:20:22 AM
I was intentionally aiming and trying to group in particular zones. 12 rounds to the head, same to the chest, and to the stomach area. A couple in the right shoulder on purpose. Then a couple of wild ones, but overall I hit things I needed to hit.
I'd agree, he's a goner...
Post by: Chains on December 27, 2011, 01:38:33 PM
I'd agree, he's a goner...
If he isn't I suggest run like hell.
Post by: rottenroger on December 27, 2011, 03:56:18 PM
Ruger MKIII 22LR lower frame
Tactical Solutions Aluminum Upper with Chrome Moly barrel liner and threaded muzzle.
Tactical Solution Aluminum Grips and Weaver rail
Custom purple color
Burris Fastfire II red dot sight
Post by: miker on December 27, 2011, 04:17:24 PM
Post by: spydglide on December 27, 2011, 04:36:04 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 27, 2011, 07:11:36 PM
I want to get this one for Judi...Sig P238 in the Rainbow Titanium. She needs a gun in her purse, and won't have to buy but one main caliber of ammo for both of us.
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 27, 2011, 07:13:25 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 27, 2011, 07:16:53 PM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 27, 2011, 07:26:27 PM
And I'm lusting over this one pretty bad too...can't decide on a 45 yet, but it's between this one and a Colt that somebody told me about.
Is this a Kimber :nixweiss: I shot my 45 Kimber Ultra this past week for the first time and that pistol has a lot of attitude :P. I loved it :rifle:
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 27, 2011, 07:31:22 PM
Is this a Kimber :nixweiss: I shot my 45 Kimber Ultra this past week for the first time and that pistol has a lot of attitude :P. I loved it :rifle:
Nope...it's a Sig 1911 RCS Two Tone 45 ACP. The Kimbers are nice too...so many choices... :nixweiss:
Post by: dlaws01 on December 27, 2011, 07:31:40 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 27, 2011, 07:36:08 PM
Post by: porthole on December 27, 2011, 07:46:04 PM
Yea...I'm having a fire sale on Ebay right now with fly rods, reels to get some funding for another couple of purchases.
Thinking about doing the same with my fish gear. Never liked using that silly hook and line stuff anyway. Always preferred a knife or spear gun.
Post by: spydglide on December 28, 2011, 07:46:38 AM
Thinking about doing the same with my fish gear. Never liked using that silly hook and line stuff anyway. Always preferred a knife or spear gun.Is that because you like to swim with the fishes? :-\ har. spyder
Post by: porthole on December 28, 2011, 10:38:08 AM
iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: rottenroger on December 28, 2011, 02:13:39 PM
Post by: 1sharprdkg on December 29, 2011, 10:13:29 PM
Yea...I'm having a fire sale on Ebay right now with fly rods, reels to get some funding for another couple of purchases.Terry great looking pistol. I have a couple pocket knives in that Rainbow Titanium. I was wondering how that finish would hold up on that pistol.
I want to get this one for Judi...Sig P238 in the Rainbow Titanium. She needs a gun in her purse, and won't have to buy but one main caliber of ammo for both of us.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 30, 2011, 06:41:43 AM
Yea...I'm having a fire sale on Ebay right now with fly rods, reels to get some funding for another couple of purchases.My wife has the Silver and Black two tone version of that, wood grips and night sights. Very nice reliable little gun. On of the few pocket 380's that is fun to shoot.
I want to get this one for Judi...Sig P238 in the Rainbow Titanium. She needs a gun in her purse, and won't have to buy but one main caliber of ammo for both of us.
Me, I still like a 1911. Last year my carry was the Kimber CDP Ultra. For the last four months it has been a Les Baer Stinger.
Post by: miker on December 30, 2011, 07:53:30 AM
Post by: darth davidson on December 30, 2011, 10:09:03 AM
Post by: miker on December 30, 2011, 11:40:20 AM
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Post by: skippy on December 30, 2011, 03:36:08 PM
And I'd like to get this one to burn bullets through...TC I just got 3 of the sig 1911 22 in dark earth I have one left if you want it pm me ... by the way it a great gun I am a 1911 nut and have a nice collection of them got this sig because it is the same size as a full size 1911 and some 1911 aftermarket parts will interchange ....
Post by: DJ56 on December 30, 2011, 03:40:02 PM
Those desert eagles are nice but if you shoot it with your back to the wall they may have to peel you out of the sheet rock. My son bought me this for Christmas.
Guns & likker...great combo! :huepfenlol2:
Post by: Talon on December 30, 2011, 04:00:59 PM
Those desert eagles are nice but if you shoot it with your back to the wall they may have to peel you out of the sheet rock. My son bought me this for Christmas.Nice, my daughter has a 38 spl derringer, I'd like to get one some day. Is that an American Derringer?
Craig
Post by: Talon on December 30, 2011, 04:07:03 PM
Post by: digga25 on December 30, 2011, 04:51:17 PM
DJ the whiskey bottle is only there to show the size of the gun.........ya right.
Post by: Talon on December 30, 2011, 04:58:28 PM
Post by: darth davidson on December 30, 2011, 06:50:09 PM
Those desert eagles are nice but if you shoot it with your back to the wall they may have to peel you out of the sheet rock. My son bought me this for Christmas.
I love my Bond Arms snake slayer . Mine is chambered colt 45 /410
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 31, 2011, 07:02:41 AM
High cotton dem Les Baer's....beauty!Thanks.
I love the gun, a true joy to shoot, far more accurate than I. It is my 3rd favorite 1911 that I own at the moment. My Brown Special Forces, two tone grey and black full size is second. Both the Baer and brown are the same for accuracy and reliability. The finish on the brown is much more refined than the Baer. The Baer is like a Fantastic work truck with all the trimmings, the brown a BMW.
My favorite which is being built, a Brown Centennial Edition Executive Elite. It will have every option on it under the sun, Novack gold bead front site, 10-8 rear sight, back serrated to match 10-8 sight. Flush cut barrel, my last name in the barrel bushing, Recessed slide stop, raised rib on top of the slide, extended mag well, Ivory grips, Blued gun. On side says 1911-2011 Centennial, the serial number starts with JMB. Put the deposit on this gun, before the deposit on my 12 CVO, I got the CVO 5 months after the deposit. Still waiting on the Centennial....
Post by: spydglide on December 31, 2011, 07:40:49 AM
Thanks.Nice, Dave. I see that yesterday was the last day to order one of these from Ed Brown. Post some pics whenever you do receive it. :) spyder
My favorite which is being built, a Brown Centennial Edition Executive Elite. It will have every option on it under the sun, Novack gold bead front site, 10-8 rear sight, back serrated to match 10-8 sight. Flush cut barrel, my last name in the barrel bushing, Recessed slide stop, raised rib on top of the slide, extended mag well, Ivory grips, Blued gun. On side says 1911-2011 Centennial, the serial number starts with JMB. Put the deposit on this gun, before the deposit on my 12 CVO, I got the CVO 5 months after the deposit. Still waiting on the Centennial....
Post by: cvobiker on December 31, 2011, 01:01:04 PM
Then I am looking for a trailer to pull this behind my bike for Sturgis next year.
Hell,,i'd mount that in a side car ;D
Post by: darth davidson on December 31, 2011, 05:16:54 PM
Those desert eagles are nice but if you shoot it with your back to the wall they may have to peel you out of the sheet rock. My son bought me this for Christmas.
Actually the .44 mag recoil is very manageable, as long as you keep the right stance and two hand hold. I shot it today, no problema.
Post by: Jay Scott on January 01, 2012, 12:22:36 AM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 01, 2012, 07:02:47 AM
Nice, Dave. I see that yesterday was the last day to order one of these from Ed Brown. Post some pics whenever you do receive it. :) spyder
I will do that. I am thinking it will be around April when I get it.
Figure the 100 year Anniversary 1911 will go with my 100 year anniversary Fatboy.
I learned to shoot with a 1911, and its my favorite gun.
Post by: DOOFUS on January 01, 2012, 01:11:17 PM
Post by: spydglide on January 01, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
I feel more frightened after reading all the above posts -- i am now mounting this on my bike for personal defenseHandlebar or Fairing Mount? :-\ har. :drink: spyder
Post by: kravnut on January 01, 2012, 01:44:34 PM
Post by: cvobiker on January 01, 2012, 01:45:06 PM
I feel more frightened after reading all the above posts -- i am now mounting this on my bike for personal defense
The Phalanx is one bad azz defense system.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdp9llrBLnA
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 01, 2012, 05:59:57 PM
I feel more frightened after reading all the above posts -- i am now mounting this on my bike for personal defense
When you fire it, just be ready for either a REAL suddens stop, or acceleration. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: 1sharprdkg on January 01, 2012, 06:08:40 PM
I feel more frightened after reading all the above posts -- i am now mounting this on my bike for personal defenseDoofus put a tarp over it...supposed to be concealed! ;D
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 01, 2012, 06:09:40 PM
I've read a bunch of stuff on this gun (surprise, surprise, surprise) and it gets very good reviews. Functions just like a "real" 1911, but you can afford to shoot it more. I didn't really care if it had a rail or not...the rail version has a little bit nicer sights, and Academy has a really good price on this gun, so I couldn't resist. It's built by Walther, but distributed by Umarex.
One more, and I'm done...
Post by: DOOFUS on January 01, 2012, 06:12:37 PM
When you fire it, just be ready for either a REAL suddens stop, or acceleration. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: spydglide on January 01, 2012, 06:14:01 PM
Post by: DOOFUS on January 01, 2012, 06:14:49 PM
Doofus put a tarp over it...supposed to be concealed! ;D
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 01, 2012, 06:25:37 PM
That's cool Terry. :2vrolijk_21: How many rds. does the magazine hold? spyder
Spydy...It holds 12 in the Magazine. It's got a thumb thingy on the side of the Magazine to make loading it easier. I've got to track down another magazine now.
I've discovered a free place to shoot...a Wildlife Management Area about 6 miles from my house. They have a "rustic" range set up with benches, etc. All you have to have is a Hunting license or Fishing license to use it. Weather permitting, it'll be a good place to go. Should be a fun gun to shoot, from all reports, and I can get Judi "broken in" with a 1911 type gun without the recoil, even though the little Sig is not bad at all on recoil. The 45 I've got my eye on will be a little bit more of a handful though.
Post by: spydglide on January 01, 2012, 06:33:45 PM
Post by: digga25 on January 01, 2012, 09:24:32 PM
Post by: Fired00d on January 01, 2012, 10:03:27 PM
....:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: I think I said the same thing just before I bought the one after the "one more". ;)
One more, and I'm done...
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 02, 2012, 06:39:09 AM
Went to Academy Sports today to pick up a fishing license. Well, I couldn't leave without checking out the firearms. Came back home with this: Colt 1911 22LR Rail Gun
I've read a bunch of stuff on this gun (surprise, surprise, surprise) and it gets very good reviews. Functions just like a "real" 1911, but you can afford to shoot it more. I didn't really care if it had a rail or not...the rail version has a little bit nicer sights, and Academy has a really good price on this gun, so I couldn't resist. It's built by Walther, but distributed by Umarex.
One more, and I'm done...
I have a German Sports Gun, or GSG 1911-22. Looks, feels and operates just like the real thing. I even have a set of grips on it that came on one of my other 1911's. Lots of fun to shoot, and 550 rounds in it cost about 4 dollars less than 50 rounds of 45acp.
Post by: willyB on January 02, 2012, 09:19:55 AM
Yea...I'm having a fire sale on Ebay right now with fly rods, reels to get some funding for another couple of purchases.I have two (2) of these and love them.
I want to get this one for Judi...Sig P238 in the Rainbow Titanium. She needs a gun in her purse, and won't have to buy but one main caliber of ammo for both of us.
The black Nitron is my personal carry gun and my wife has the Rainbow that she occassionally shoots at the range.
Post by: Supershooter on January 02, 2012, 09:49:33 AM
Supershooter
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on January 02, 2012, 10:52:40 AM
In an effort to be fiscally responsible, I'm thinking about buying a .45 1911, and then adding a .22 slide to keep cost down on ammo until I get confortable with the gun. Thoughts...
Supershooter
For Christmas I got the Kimber Ultra CDP 45 in stainless steel/black with rosewood handles. Beautiful pistol that is sweet to shoot :beatdeadhorse: :rifle:
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 02, 2012, 10:58:52 AM
I have a German Sports Gun, or GSG 1911-22. Looks, feels and operates just like the real thing. I even have a set of grips on it that came on one of my other 1911's. Lots of fun to shoot, and 550 rounds in it cost about 4 dollars less than 50 rounds of 45acp.
That is virtually the same (if not exactly the same) as the Sig 1911-22LR. From what I've read, they both come out of the same plant. I was strongly considering one of those, but the Colt (Walther) was a little bit less expensive and Academy had a good price on it.
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 02, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
In an effort to be fiscally responsible, I'm thinking about buying a .45 1911, and then adding a .22 slide to keep cost down on ammo until I get confortable with the gun. Thoughts...
Supershooter
I considered going that route too. Two things made me decide otherwise: The conversion kit is pretty expensive, so I could just get a whole 'nother pistol in 22LR for just a few bucks more and not have to fiddle with converting it over at the range if I want to shoot the 45 round as well; The 45 I've settled on is not a 5" barrel, it's a 4.2" (Commander length), so I COULD carry it if I want to, especially in colder weather with more clothes on. I mean, you CAN carry a 5" 45, but at 5'8" (and shrinking), it's a little large/heavy for me to tote in my wasitband.
All I've got to do now is come up with the $$$ to get the 45. And I may end up with a 20ga. tactical pump shotgun as well (Mossberg). I've got an old 12ga Double Barrel, but it's so heavy, it's impractical for use.
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 02, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
Sounds good TC. And at your age, they'll prolly just grant you a lifetime hunting/fishing lic. anyway. :o ;D :D :P :drink: har. spyder
Ain't quite there yet, Spydy...5 more years. 8) :P
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 02, 2012, 11:14:47 AM
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: I think I said the same thing just before I bought the one after the "one more". ;)
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I know, Gary...it's like trying to have just one potato chip...
I'm just trying to get armed for all the Zombies next December... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :o
Post by: Talon on January 02, 2012, 11:24:41 AM
I know, Gary...it's like trying to have just one potato chip...
I'm just trying to get armed for all the Zombies next December... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :o
Post by: Fired00d on January 02, 2012, 11:27:25 AM
I know, Gary...it's like trying to have just one potato chip...I think owning/buying guns is worse than "OCD"... once you start you just can't stop... then when you have them you start stock piling ammo... next thing you know you have a safe full/arsenal. :2vrolijk_21: I'm trying my best to stay away from long guns but have been tempted to get a shotgun. :nervous:
I'm just trying to get armed for all the Zombies next December... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :o
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 02, 2012, 01:43:48 PM
I think owning/buying guns is worse than "OCD"... once you start you just can't stop... then when you have them you start stock piling ammo... next thing you know you have a safe full/arsenal. :2vrolijk_21: I'm trying my best to stay away from long guns but have been tempted to get a shotgun. :nervous:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Nothing is more effective than a shotgun, and a 20ga is really all you need....it won't take your shoulder off shooting it. Mossberg makes a nice, inexpensive, tactical 20ga with an 18" barrel, composite stock. Pump action of course. I think it will hold 5+1 (might be 4+1, can't remember). You can even get them with a pistol grip. If you have time to grab it, nothing will get someone's attention like hearing you rack a load in a pump shotgun...unmistakable sound. Kind of hard to carry though... ;) It will definitely stop whoever is trying to hurt you. Blow those Zombies chit away... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: spydglide on January 02, 2012, 03:16:53 PM
Blow those Zombies chit away... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:With no experience in Zombies as adversaries, not sure if regular ammo will suffice or will special Zombie Rounds be req'd? har. spyder
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 02, 2012, 04:40:01 PM
With no experience in Zombies as adversaries, not sure if regular ammo will suffice or will special Zombie Rounds be req'd? har. spyder
Here you go...
Post by: CVODON on January 02, 2012, 10:10:50 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 03, 2012, 06:07:08 AM
For Christmas I got the Kimber Ultra CDP 45 in stainless steel/black with rosewood handles. Beautiful pistol that is sweet to shoot :beatdeadhorse: :rifle:Slide is stainless, the rest of the gun is Aluminum. Got mine December 2008, I have just over 3000 rounds through it. It was my Every Day Carry until I got the Les Baer Stinger this past May. The are a very nice gun, lots of fun to shoot and still carry it some times. It was my Favorite until I got the Brown and the Baer. For the money it is hard to beat!
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 03, 2012, 06:10:10 AM
That is virtually the same (if not exactly the same) as the Sig 1911-22LR. From what I've read, they both come out of the same plant. I was strongly considering one of those, but the Colt (Walther) was a little bit less expensive and Academy had a good price on it.I'm not sure if the Sig version was out yet, my local gun shop / range is a big sig dealer and they did not have one but did the GSG. No Academy in my area yet.
Post by: spydglide on January 03, 2012, 08:03:51 AM
I've got an old 12ga Double Barrel, but it's so heavy, it's impractical for use.Nothing wrong with a heavy 12ga. for home defense. Might even be an advantage. ;) spyder
Post by: mrmagloo on January 03, 2012, 10:10:47 AM
Post by: porthole on January 03, 2012, 01:43:18 PM
Had a deal I couldn't refuse. He wanted a compact 9 and I wanted a G-19. I bought him the KelTec PF-9 (his choice) and traded for his G-19, gen 3. He has department issued Gen4 -19's.
I can tell you I certainly got the better end of the deal, that KelTec PF-9 kicks like a mule!. And it is very uncomfortable to handle when firing (digs into the fingers/hand)
Anyway, I had a gear bag full of mixed 9mm that I was using and had a case failure. The Glock's are a little loose on the sides in that you can see daylight through the slide and grip. Not a defect, inherent in a poly/steel design.
Heat/ smoke/flames/and powder - ouch. Got a 1st degree burn along the top of my index finger and black soot marks across both hands.
Pulled the gun apart, no round in the barrel (that was good) and no damage. My son is a certified Glock armorer, so it was good to have him on hand. Looked at the rest of the rounds in the bag and didn't see anything unusual.
2-3 mags later and - bang - does it again. That's it, all the ammo gets dumped until I can inspect.
Turns out both failed cases are the same brand, marked "F C"
Of the 100 or so rounds I have left of that bunch half are Winchester, a 1/4 PMC and about a dozen of these "F C" rounds. At least I think I can get rid of the bad chit.
Post by: porthole on January 03, 2012, 01:44:08 PM
Post by: porthole on January 03, 2012, 01:44:55 PM
Post by: porthole on January 03, 2012, 01:47:34 PM
That 15-22 is actually quite fun to shoot.
Post by: porthole on January 03, 2012, 01:49:48 PM
For Christmas I got the Kimber Ultra CDP 45 in stainless steel/black with rosewood handles. Beautiful pistol that is sweet to shoot :beatdeadhorse: :rifle:
Has Kimber gotten rid of the razor sharp ejection ports yet?
Post by: naitram on January 03, 2012, 01:56:18 PM
Post by: porthole on January 03, 2012, 02:01:29 PM
I considered going that route too. Two things made me decide otherwise: The conversion kit is pretty expensive, so I could just get a whole 'nother pistol in 22LR for just a few bucks more and not have to fiddle with converting it over at the range if I want to shoot the 45 round as well; The 45 I've settled on is not a 5" barrel, it's a 4.2" (Commander length), so I COULD carry it if I want to, especially in colder weather with more clothes on. I mean, you CAN carry a 5" 45, but at 5'8" (and shrinking), it's a little large/heavy for me to tote in my wasitband.
Sig makes a nice 1911 22LR and for 45 the Sig 1911 C-3 is a nice piece for CC.
As are the Glock 30SF, Springfield XD45 Compact and Taurus PT145 Pro
And I may end up with a 20ga. tactical pump shotgun as well (Mossberg). I've got an old 12ga Double Barrel, but it's so heavy, it's impractical for use.
I think the 20 is an excellent choice.
I have a youth model “Escort” 20g auto. The 12.5” LoP makes for an easy to maneuver weapon. The barrel is 20” but with the short LoP it is very manageable. Holds 4+1 of 3” and I am probably going to get the mag extension to add two more.
Not a tac gun by any means, but I preferred an auto for the house and besides, in Jersey, pistol grip autos are on the chit list.
nothing will get someone's attention like hearing you rack a load in a pump shotgun...unmistakable sound.
I agree a shotgun is great, at home. Not to carry. BUT if you ever really need one, and hopefully you never will, but if you do, no time exists to be scaring someone with the sound of "racking" a shotgun, only sound should be safety going off so that already full chamber of "00" is ready to go.
I was just getting ready to add –only sound should be the safety, right before the big bang theory. Racking the shot gun will only give away position. And doing the movie style one hand rack will ruin the gun if you do it enough.
Post by: porthole on January 03, 2012, 02:04:31 PM
do you know if those were "reloads"? have always been told to not use reloads in glocks because weakened brass could expand into the notch in the barrel
Not 100% sure, but there is no indication that what I have left is a reload. When I go back out in the shop I plan on measuring the length, see how they compare to a standard.
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on January 03, 2012, 05:31:51 PM
Has Kimber gotten rid of the razor sharp ejection ports yet?
Well I'm not sure about "razor sharp ejection port". This pistol seems to have all smooth edges.
Post by: Chains on January 03, 2012, 08:01:09 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 04, 2012, 06:54:53 AM
Has Kimber gotten rid of the razor sharp ejection ports yet?My CDP Ultra does not have razor sharp ejection ports. Its pretty well de burred everywhere.
Post by: cvobiker on January 04, 2012, 08:31:48 AM
Went to the range yesterday for some time with #1 son and grandson.
Had a deal I couldn't refuse. He wanted a compact 9 and I wanted a G-19. I bought him the KelTec PF-9 (his choice) and traded for his G-19, gen 3. He has department issued Gen4 -19's.
I can tell you I certainly got the better end of the deal, that KelTec PF-9 kicks like a mule!. And it is very uncomfortable to handle when firing (digs into the fingers/hand)
Anyway, I had a gear bag full of mixed 9mm that I was using and had a case failure. The Glock's are a little loose on the sides in that you can see daylight through the slide and grip. Not a defect, inherent in a poly/steel design.
Heat/ smoke/flames/and powder - ouch. Got a 1st degree burn along the top of my index finger and black soot marks across both hands.
Pulled the gun apart, no round in the barrel (that was good) and no damage. My son is a certified Glock armorer, so it was good to have him on hand. Looked at the rest of the rounds in the bag and didn't see anything unusual.
2-3 mags later and - bang - does it again. That's it, all the ammo gets dumped until I can inspect.
Turns out both failed cases are the same brand, marked "F C"
Of the 100 or so rounds I have left of that bunch half are Winchester, a 1/4 PMC and about a dozen of these "F C" rounds. At least I think I can get rid of the bad chit.
Looks like shells aren't clambering, which is baffeling because the gun should not fire until the shell is fully seated.. For kicks, try manually clambering these same shells and check if they slide in freely... Pretty weird but I'm leaning towards issues with your handgun :confused5:
Post by: porthole on January 04, 2012, 01:50:21 PM
My CDP Ultra does not have razor sharp ejection ports. Its pretty well de burred everywhere.
So - I knew I "had" read about it, not sure when. It was over a year ago, August 2010 issue of Gun Tests, Kimber Compact Stainless II.
Post by: naitram on January 04, 2012, 02:11:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7CPUu8CKk8
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 04, 2012, 04:22:24 PM
Post by: cvobiker on January 04, 2012, 10:55:16 PM
theses look like fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7CPUu8CKk8
OUCH !! that would burn ;D
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 05, 2012, 07:39:36 AM
So - I knew I "had" read about it, not sure when. It was over a year ago, August 2010 issue of Gun Tests, Kimber Compact Stainless II.Mine is an 08, it does not have a sharp edge like that on the ejection port.
Interesting, I sure would not like that.
Post by: DJ56 on January 05, 2012, 01:15:35 PM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/oklahoma-teen-mother-shoots-intruder-dead-with-12-gauge-shotgun/story-e6frf7jo-1226237289339
Post by: grayghost731 on January 05, 2012, 05:15:10 PM
WARS ;) ok it was last year :nervous:
Post by: porthole on January 05, 2012, 07:27:44 PM
Reminds me of being a kid and having Roman candle
That and bottle rocket battles
Post by: Eagle Eye on January 06, 2012, 02:34:30 PM
Story with a good ending... :orange: :huepfenjump3:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/oklahoma-teen-mother-shoots-intruder-dead-with-12-gauge-shotgun/story-e6frf7jo-1226237289339
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 07, 2012, 07:15:01 AM
Refuse to be a victim. She's had a lifetime of grief is such a short time. I hope she can get some counseling to deal with potential PTSD. LEO would get it, she should be able to. :coolblue:She had a very tough decision to make, and made the right one. I do believe she will need counseling, she has been though a very lot in just a few short days.
Good example of why we need to carry, and why our wives or girl friends our daughters need to know how to shoot. My wife, and my 3 girls are all very good shots.
Post by: DaBigNuttedMan on January 08, 2012, 08:58:54 AM
She had a very tough decision to make, and made the right one. I do believe she will need counseling, she has been though a very lot in just a few short days.
Good example of why we need to carry, and why our wives or girl friends our daughters need to know how to shoot. My wife, and my 3 girls are all very good shots.
X2 ya never know she may not need counseling love and support from decent people with similar values. I'm proud of her
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 09, 2012, 02:03:23 PM
I'm done...
Post by: Fired00d on January 09, 2012, 02:17:11 PM
Won one of these today on Gunbrokers.com. Brand new in the box. Should receive it at my FFL dealer Wed or Thurs. Sig 1911 C3 w/Crimson Trace Grips and Magwell. Alloy frame, stainless slide, 7+1, sharp edges de-horned. Should be a nice 45ACP from what I've read.;) :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: BTW... Congrats. :2vrolijk_21:
I'm done...
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: naitram on January 09, 2012, 02:20:10 PM
Won one of these today on Gunbrokers.com. Brand new in the box. Should receive it at my FFL dealer Wed or Thurs. Sig 1911 C3 w/Crimson Trace Grips and Magwell. Alloy frame, stainless slide, 7+1, sharp edges de-horned. Should be a nice 45ACP from what I've read.
I'm done...
wondered if anyone really wins those giveaways
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 09, 2012, 02:37:38 PM
wondered if anyone really wins those giveaways
I should have phrased that differently...I won the Auction. No freebie... :( Still, got it at a decent price compared to local shops, especially for this particular version.
Post by: naitram on January 09, 2012, 02:40:14 PM
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2012, 02:56:10 PM
BigLew
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 09, 2012, 03:05:10 PM
TC I've got itt but in the camo version. Nice but its got a little bite compared to the match series.
BigLew
Yea, I figured it might. This will mostly be a "nightstand" pistol after break-in, with some winter carry. It's the big brother to my Sig P238 :) I wanted the option to carry this if dress allows, and a full size 1911 is just too big/heavy for my small frame, so it's a compromise. I researched it to death, and this was the most "bang for the buck" I found. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2012, 03:31:15 PM
BigLew
Post by: mlbraptor on January 09, 2012, 06:12:34 PM
Post by: justplainjim on January 10, 2012, 09:54:40 AM
Post by: DJ56 on January 13, 2012, 02:06:06 PM
Post by: 04cvodan on January 13, 2012, 02:09:29 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 13, 2012, 02:25:31 PM
Free shipping, but 3% upcharge for credit card...even then, it's still a good deal. I just got one (from another place, and paid slightly more), and it is a really nice piece.
Post by: Old Harley Dude on January 13, 2012, 03:56:52 PM
Would be interested.
How do we communicate?
Post by: Old Harley Dude on January 13, 2012, 04:00:39 PM
Sorry man, my bad. I thought you were selling it.
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 13, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
http://www.sigsauerguns.com/product-highlights/sig-p938-specs/
Post by: Fired00d on January 13, 2012, 05:04:24 PM
Geez...just when you thought you might be done.....Hehehehehe... and you thought OCD was bad... only way to stop wanting/buying guns is to stop looking/reading about them and definitely stay out of the gun stores. :nervous:
http://www.sigsauerguns.com/product-highlights/sig-p938-specs/
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: spydglide on January 13, 2012, 05:24:51 PM
Hehehehehe... and you thought OCD was bad... only way to stop wanting/buying guns is to stop looking/reading about them and definitely stay out of the gun stores. :nervous::)
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Rickasha on January 13, 2012, 10:55:55 PM
Geez...just when you thought you might be done.....When is this one comming out?
http://www.sigsauerguns.com/product-highlights/sig-p938-specs/
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 14, 2012, 11:38:22 AM
When is this one comming out?
Sometime in the next quarter, they say... :nixweiss:
Post by: Rickasha on January 14, 2012, 02:52:31 PM
Sometime in the next quarter, they say... :nixweiss:Dang it, gonna have to get one!!!
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 14, 2012, 03:34:11 PM
Dang it, gonna have to get one!!!
Yea, the great thing about it is that it's only .4" longer than the 380 P238...all other dimensions are the same. The only difference is they will provide the 7 shot clip that has the "pinky" finger thing (technical term) on the bottom of the magazine, making it a little easier to handle the increased recoil of the 9mm round. And it's going to have the grip safety, from what I've read. Will still be an easy carry though. The P238 recoil is not bad at all...very manageable, and very accurate at 15-20 feet. You can get the 7 round 380 mag for the P238 also...Academy Sports carry them, at a very good price. Much easier to shoot than the Walther PPK I used to have.
This new P938 will probably be a huge seller and likely will be hard to get at first. Don't know what the price point will be, but my guess would be somewhere around the $700 mark (street price), depending on the model...the nicer P238's go in the mid to high $500's.
Post by: Rickasha on January 16, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
Post by: darth davidson on January 17, 2012, 02:50:03 PM
Beretta NANO 9mm 6+1
Post by: FLTRCVO on January 17, 2012, 05:18:13 PM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on January 17, 2012, 11:40:55 PM
My personal little carry is the Kimber Crimson Carry II .45. The 4" barrel is the conceal length desired by me and the built in laser sight doesn't hurt.
Yea :pepper: :apple: :2vrolijk_21: Kimber!
Post by: DOOFUS on January 18, 2012, 07:51:20 PM
Post by: porthole on January 18, 2012, 10:27:47 PM
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/11/10/new-improved-colt-380-mustang-pocketlite-pistol/
Post by: Montanakid on January 21, 2012, 11:41:47 PM
If I could only find a way to mount a 50 cal on the bike! ;D
Call Jim at MD he can help ..hehehe :huepfenjump3:
Post by: Montanakid on January 22, 2012, 02:06:09 AM
Post by: Jmoney06 on January 22, 2012, 02:47:44 AM
Post by: cvobiker on January 22, 2012, 11:08:53 AM
My fear continues to grow -- this may be a threat deterrent ---
havent seen this one yet... im almost afraid to ask :'( but what is it and purpose...
Post by: porthole on January 22, 2012, 11:48:08 AM
Post by: 1sharprdkg on January 22, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
havent seen this one yet... im almost afraid to ask :'( but what is it and purpose...Don't know for sure but I think it is a grenade launcher...and it's purpose is to blow chit up!
Post by: rottenroger on January 23, 2012, 03:10:17 PM
Post by: cvobiker on January 24, 2012, 08:21:05 AM
I believe that is a MK19 belt fed automatic grenade launcher.
Looks like a variation of picture DOOFUS posted. His has some kind of computerized sighting setup.. Not really impressed with the firepower though. Although I would hate to be in a small room or bunker with these lobing in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT698BOmSic
Post by: Eagle Eye on January 24, 2012, 09:35:02 AM
I believe that is a MK19 belt fed automatic grenade launcher.
It is. These were being tested in the early '70s for use in helicopters, but didn't get used until almost a decade later. My brother was a Crew Chief at Ft Ord and told me about this weapon they were testing right after I returned from Nam. It is an awesome weapon.
In Nam, I was issued an M79 Grenade Launcher, but preferred buckshot (most of the time) rather than grenades. The scatter pattern is several times that of a 12 gage shotgun. Almost like a hand held claymore. I had a firsthand opportunity to see what they can do and it wasn't pretty. But it worked like a charm. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: spydglide on January 24, 2012, 11:34:31 AM
It is. These were being tested in the early '70s for use in helicopters, but didn't get used until almost a decade later. My brother was a Crew Chief at Ft Ord and told me about this weapon they were testing right after I returned from Nam. It is an awesome weapon.true dat !
In Nam, I was issued an M79 Grenade Launcher, but preferred buckshot (most of the time) rather than grenades. The scatter pattern is several times that of a 12 gage shotgun. Almost like a hand held claymore. I had a firsthand opportunity to see what they can do and it wasn't pretty. But it worked like a charm. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 24, 2012, 11:39:41 AM
The Sig C3...shot 100 rounds of Winchester white box (Walmart specials), and 100 rounds of Federal...both 230 grain FMJ rounds. Not a single glitch, even mixing the rounds up in the magazines. Also shot a box of 20 Hornady Critical Defense through it with no issues at all, and that was after the 200 rounds of ball ammo, when the gun was getting "dirty". This is the first 45 ACP I've owned/shot, so it took some getting used to as it's a powerful weapon. But, even with my poor eyesight, I was able to keep 90% of the shots in groups of 2-4". I also got the Crimson Trace Laser Grips dialed in...didn't know if I was going to like them or not, but they are really nice. Put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and it's there if you use good technique. I can see where the laser dot could come in real handy in awkward shooting positions, like laying on your back, or any postion where you can't extend your arm fully and get the gun in front of your face. That 45 puts a big ol hole where it hits...I can't imagine anyone remaining on their feet with a couple of well placed shots from this gun.
So, if you want a gun that operates exactly like a 1911 45ACP, get the Colt. Fun to shoot, and affordable in every respect. If you want a 1911 45ACP that's relatively lightweight, but large enough to control without being a full size 1911, The Sig C3 (or variations thereof) is a nice choice. The two tone is nice to look at, handles well, and the version I got with the Laser grips, magwell, and 2 7 shot mags is a great deal for the money. You can get it for <$850. Worth every penny and then some.
Post by: spydglide on January 24, 2012, 11:57:25 AM
Got a chance to take the two new guns to the firing range Sunday afternoon...The Sig C3...shot 100 rounds of Winchester white box (Walmart specials), and 100 rounds of Federal...both 230 grain FMJ rounds. Not a single glitchGreat range report on the new pistols, TC.
Post by: Pete7539 on January 25, 2012, 02:13:04 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on January 25, 2012, 02:18:16 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on January 25, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
Post by: darth davidson on January 25, 2012, 03:00:40 PM
Anyone handle one of these yet? Titanium frame ported barrel sub sub compact two shot .45 derringer with an extra two in the handle. Pretty cool for a last defense piece.
Is not commercially available yet. Supposedly by the end of Feb,
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 25, 2012, 03:04:42 PM
Anyone handle one of these yet? Titanium frame ported barrel sub sub compact two shot .45 derringer with an extra two in the handle. Pretty cool for a last defense piece.
Man, that little thing would be hard to handle unless you had it poked in somebodies belly to help stabilize the shot...
Post by: faceracer on January 25, 2012, 05:58:10 PM
Last but not least when the hell is Kel-Tec releasing the KSG? They said fall, then christmas, then no news. Wondering if they'll make a new amendment to the assault weapons to include this model. Its just plain cool :cool blue: zombie gun or not, I want it.
I want one!!!!!
Post by: faceracer on January 25, 2012, 05:58:55 PM
Anyone handle one of these yet? Titanium frame ported barrel sub sub compact two shot .45 derringer with an extra two in the handle. Pretty cool for a last defense piece.
That is a sweet little piece but pricy!!!! I bet its a hand full to fire! Face
Post by: mrmagloo on January 25, 2012, 09:11:10 PM
Last but not least when the hell is Kel-Tec releasing the KSG? They said fall, then christmas, then no news. Wondering if they'll make a new amendment to the assault weapons to include this model. Its just plain cool :cool blue: zombie gun or not, I want it.I've been on a waiting list for just over a year for less than $700. I heard they shipped 250 of them so far, but seems us with the guarantied prices ain't going to see them until all of the dummies paying $1,500+ on Gunbroker are taken care of first. Sucks.
Post by: Pete7539 on January 25, 2012, 10:24:26 PM
I've been on a waiting list for just over a year for less than $700. I heard they shipped 250 of them so far, but seems us with the guarantied prices ain't going to see them until all of the dummies paying $1,500+ on Gunbroker are taken care of first. Sucks.
When I called Kel-Tec in December they told me all the gun broker listings were a scam. They said only a limited amount of test models had been sent to select distributors for testing purposes only and they were not the final product. Also that if they found out that those were going to be sold they would face serious repercussions. Whatever that means.
I called again today and left another message. Their automated response for the KSG still says fall of 11 for release date.
Now waiting for a call back
Post by: Pete7539 on January 25, 2012, 10:26:32 PM
Man, that little thing would be hard to handle unless you had it poked in somebodies belly to help stabilize the shot...
I would think so. From what I read the C ports really help with rise and stabilizing shot. Down side, it makes it even more deafening.
Post by: mrmagloo on January 26, 2012, 12:02:57 PM
When I called Kel-Tec in December they told me all the gun broker listings were a scam. They said only a limited amount of test models had been sent to select distributors for testing purposes only and they were not the final product. Also that if they found out that those were going to be sold they would face serious repercussions. Whatever that means.
I called again today and left another message. Their automated response for the KSG still says fall of 11 for release date.
Now waiting for a call back
I've been watching this closely, and they are blowing smoke. There are a good number of folks - private citizens who own them. There is a Kel-Tec forum and these guys are starting to post there reviews and such. A number of them have admitted spending the big bucks to get one early, essentially, leapfrogging us who were waiting in line. Pisses me off.
http://www.thektog.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=92
A Kel-Tec rep posted that just before the Christmas shutdown, they shipped the first 250. That's when the flurry started hitting Gunbroker. Then they supposedly just shipped another 250 around the 16th. Again, the only thing this waiting list is doing is guarantying a reasonable price, but that will only happen when the pool of nutcases paying double the price go away. Frigging distributors!
Post by: Pete7539 on January 26, 2012, 12:31:26 PM
I've been watching this closely, and they are blowing smoke. There are a good number of folks - private citizens who own them. There is a Kel-Tec forum and these guys are starting to post there reviews and such. A number of them have admitted spending the big bucks to get one early, essentially, leapfrogging us who were waiting in line. Pisses me off.
http://www.thektog.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=92
A Kel-Tec rep posted that just before the Christmas shutdown, they shipped the first 250. That's when the flurry started hitting Gunbroker. Then they supposedly just shipped another 250 around the 16th. Again, the only thing this waiting list is doing is guarantying a reasonable price, but that will only happen when the pool of nutcases paying double the price go away. Frigging distributors!
They returned my call today and gave me contact info for a rep for direct purchase, emailed him, but they said he's been away last week at SHOT and aren't sure if he'll be around this week. So I'll wait and see if I get a response. She did confirm that they did already ship the first lot, but before then there was a lot of BS about fake buys on the web.
Post by: darth davidson on January 26, 2012, 03:43:39 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on January 26, 2012, 10:40:52 PM
The price at the Kel tec site is $880, why wold you pay more? to get it faster?
Same reason people buy CVOs over MSRP when first released I guess, gotta have it now mentality and disposable income :nixweiss:
Post by: porthole on January 27, 2012, 08:17:20 AM
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Post by: mrmagloo on January 27, 2012, 04:31:13 PM
The price at the Kel tec site is $880, why wold you pay more? to get it faster?
Go on Gunbroker.com. I see today the active auctions are now in the $1,300 to $1,400 that have active bids and are past the reserve. Not sure where they will end, but two weeks ago, I saw a few north of $2K.
To be honest, I was hoping I'd get mine early, and I'd Gunbroker it myself. Then wait for the prices to get normal to get one, with the spare dough to get my Reflex. Seems these greedy distributors are soaking up all of the upside potential. Bastadges!
Post by: Pete7539 on January 28, 2012, 12:26:34 PM
Go on Gunbroker.com. I see today the active auctions are now in the $1,300 to $1,400 that have active bids and are past the reserve. Not sure where they will end, but two weeks ago, I saw a few north of $2K.
To be honest, I was hoping I'd get mine early, and I'd Gunbroker it myself. Then wait for the prices to get normal to get one, with the spare dough to get my Reflex.
Nice strategy :2vrolijk_21:
I sold my reflex when I got an ACOG a while back, but my friend ended up getting a used ACOG shortly there after. So my plan is to buy my Reflex back from him at a lower price because I know its collecting dust now.
Post by: FLTRCVO on February 01, 2012, 09:06:13 PM
I am retired law enforcement went to my local gun broker to purchase a another Kimber Crimson Carry II, this one for my wife. The paperwork was submitted for the background check, the Gun Broker told me I was denied by the Feds. The next day my doorbell rings and it was the FBI With a writ to collect all of my firearms, which they did. I contact the Feds, and they send me a document informing me that I have 2 warrants from Stoughton District Court in Massachusetts. I contact the court and a woman was nice enough to send me the charges that initiated the warrant. Get ready for this violation of Municipal Code Failure to license 2 dogs in 1999. I relocated from Massachusetts in 1998. To this day I am trying to get this resolved the least expensive way which is having the clerk at Stoughton District Court submit the package I mailed to him hoping he will submit it to the judge for dismissal, if not, I have to drive to Massachusetts from Las Vegas to appear before the judge or pay an attorney to appear on my behalf.
Post by: spydglide on February 01, 2012, 09:23:09 PM
Here is one for the record books.The long arm of the law. :nervous: spyder
I am retired law enforcement went to my local gun broker to purchase a another Kimber Crimson Carry II, this one for my wife. The paperwork was submitted for the background check, the Gun Broker told me I was denied by the Feds. The next day my doorbell rings and it was the FBI With a writ to collect all of my firearms, which they did. I contact the Feds, and they send me a document informing me that I have 2 warrants from Stoughton District Court in Massachusetts. I contact the court and a woman was nice enough to send me the charges that initiated the warrant. Get ready for this violation of Municipal Code Failure to license 2 dogs in 1999. I relocated from Massachusetts in 1998. To this day I am trying to get this resolved the least expensive way which is having the clerk at Stoughton District Court submit the package I mailed to him hoping he will submit it to the judge for dismissal, if not, I have to drive to Massachusetts from Las Vegas to appear before the judge or pay an attorney to appear on my behalf.
Post by: naitram on February 01, 2012, 09:32:40 PM
Post by: faceracer on February 01, 2012, 09:45:24 PM
Post by: mrmagloo on February 02, 2012, 11:00:46 AM
Here is one for the record books.
I am retired law enforcement went to my local gun broker to purchase a another Kimber Crimson Carry II, this one for my wife. The paperwork was submitted for the background check, the Gun Broker told me I was denied by the Feds. The next day my doorbell rings and it was the FBI With a writ to collect all of my firearms, which they did. I contact the Feds, and they send me a document informing me that I have 2 warrants from Stoughton District Court in Massachusetts. I contact the court and a woman was nice enough to send me the charges that initiated the warrant. Get ready for this violation of Municipal Code Failure to license 2 dogs in 1999. I relocated from Massachusetts in 1998. To this day I am trying to get this resolved the least expensive way which is having the clerk at Stoughton District Court submit the package I mailed to him hoping he will submit it to the judge for dismissal, if not, I have to drive to Massachusetts from Las Vegas to appear before the judge or pay an attorney to appear on my behalf.
Wow! I thought guns could only be confiscated after a felony conviction, newly deemed mental status change, or after a credible threat of violence upon being charged? These aren't even misdemeanors! How can they possibly confiscate your weapons over a local ordinance violation - a civil matter? I would URGE you to get in touch with the NRA - this is exactly the kind of stuff they are getting their attorney's to focus on. I'd even be inclined to secure my own attorney for a civil rights violation. If this story is straight up, this is bad from the word go. Being an ex-cop, you already know this. Don't let them get away with this kind of nonsense.
Post by: darth davidson on February 02, 2012, 11:25:32 AM
Wow! I thought guns could only be confiscated after a felony conviction, newly deemed mental status change, or after a credible threat of violence upon being charged? These aren't even misdemeanors! How can they possibly confiscate your weapons over a local ordinance violation - a civil matter? I would URGE you to get in touch with the NRA - this is exactly the kind of stuff they are getting their attorney's to focus on. I'd even be inclined to secure my own attorney for a civil rights violation. If this story is straight up, this is bad from the word go. Being an ex-cop, you already know this. Don't let them get away with this kind of nonsense.
X2
Post by: miker on February 02, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
Post by: TN on February 02, 2012, 01:10:36 PM
Here is one for the record books.
I am retired law enforcement went to my local gun broker to purchase a another Kimber Crimson Carry II, this one for my wife. The paperwork was submitted for the background check, the Gun Broker told me I was denied by the Feds. The next day my doorbell rings and it was the FBI With a writ to collect all of my firearms, which they did. I contact the Feds, and they send me a document informing me that I have 2 warrants from Stoughton District Court in Massachusetts. I contact the court and a woman was nice enough to send me the charges that initiated the warrant. Get ready for this violation of Municipal Code Failure to license 2 dogs in 1999. I relocated from Massachusetts in 1998. To this day I am trying to get this resolved the least expensive way which is having the clerk at Stoughton District Court submit the package I mailed to him hoping he will submit it to the judge for dismissal, if not, I have to drive to Massachusetts from Las Vegas to appear before the judge or pay an attorney to appear on my behalf.
wow, so you and the dogs been on the run since then. :huepfenlol2:
sorry, I guess it's no joking matter when you have to surrender your firearms.
Post by: Skunky Dog on February 02, 2012, 02:39:21 PM
Post by: MY2NDCVO on February 03, 2012, 05:52:56 PM
Post by: Skunky Dog on February 04, 2012, 02:41:17 AM
Post by: trwtow on February 04, 2012, 11:22:41 AM
love my LC9, great carry gun!!got the lc9 also but always carry the lcp great little gun do like shootin the 9 better
Post by: digga25 on February 04, 2012, 02:54:01 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on February 04, 2012, 04:21:37 PM
Post by: DOOFUS on February 04, 2012, 05:35:08 PM
Post by: darth davidson on February 05, 2012, 01:17:36 PM
Stoughton sucks.....too close to Brockton, which sucks worse....Well, if there is any consolation I lived in North easton MA. The town did not even have a Mc Donalds back then 1980. If Brockton and Stoughton sucks just imagine !!!!!
Post by: ALRG8TOR on February 10, 2012, 09:58:33 AM
I have the Ruger LCP 380,didnt like the long trigger pull and the roughness of the slide action.Saw a report on the Diamondback 380,bought one and the difference is big.Short trigger pull,only 5lbs pull,wicked smooth slide action,and the addition of the duck tail helps with the jumping of the muzzle.Very impressed with this little monster,I use the Hornady critical defense round.The diamond back has the Crimson Trace Laser and the Ruger has the Lasermax.
Which laser as a compliment to your 380 do you like the best? Pros, Cons??
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on February 10, 2012, 10:06:15 AM
Post by: muddypaws on February 10, 2012, 10:43:04 AM
Post by: FLTRCVO on February 18, 2012, 09:23:00 PM
The entire fiasco has ended with regard to the warrants for dog licenses with the judicial system. I did not have to appear in court nor did I have to retain counsel; the presiding judge reviewed the warrants and dismissed them. Now I am waiting for the NICS to be updated with the warrants removed. Once the NICS is updated I will be able to retrieve my firearms from the FBI. However, I still need to discuss my being on the no fly list with Homeland Security.
wow, so you and the dogs been on the run since then. :huepfenlol2:
sorry, I guess it's no joking matter when you have to surrender your firearms.
Post by: charles05663 on February 19, 2012, 07:39:22 AM
The entire fiasco has ended with regard to the warrants for dog licenses with the judicial system. I did not have to appear in court nor did I have to retain counsel; the presiding judge reviewed the warrants and dismissed them. Now I am waiting for the NICS to be updated with the warrants removed. Once the NICS is updated I will be able to retrieve my firearms from the FBI. However, I still need to discuss my being on the no fly list with Homeland Security.
It is really sad and a reflection on our legal system when a person can be disarmed, banned from flying (denied the freedom of travel), denied their constitutional rights, and have a warrant issued due to some low level bureaucrat who got upset that you did not renew a dog license. What is next? Parking tickets?
Imagine if you had to appear in court. It would have been a long expensive trip since you cannot fly. Good luck with getting of the no fly list.
Post by: 2018_FLTRXSE on February 19, 2012, 07:52:58 AM
It is really sad and a reflection on our legal system when a person can be disarmed, banned from flying (denied the freedom of travel), denied their constitutional rights, and have a warrant issued due to some low level bureaucrat who got upset that you did not renew a dog license. What is next? Parking tickets?
Imagine if you had to appear in court. It would have been a long expensive trip since you cannot fly. Good luck with getting of the no fly list.
This sounds absolutely asinine....
Warrants for failing to register a dog (ok.. 2 dogs)
You should have told them they were hot dogs... :)
Post by: cvobiker on February 19, 2012, 10:48:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeDXVN52cHI
Post by: iski on February 19, 2012, 10:48:27 PM
http://heizerfirearms.com/ (http://heizerfirearms.com/)
Have not seen one yet. Will be on the market soon. Will probably be looking to pick up one or two of these, depending.
Post by: muddypaws on February 20, 2012, 07:39:38 AM
Post by: darth davidson on February 20, 2012, 12:12:38 PM
With only two bullets you better be a great shot.I think that is only a back up weapon. Primary weapon needs 6+1 or more , IMHO
Post by: iski on February 20, 2012, 08:37:43 PM
And if you miss with 2 bullets, no guarantee 6 would be enough. Maybe 14 would be better than 6 in that case.
Post by: dlaws01 on February 21, 2012, 01:35:45 AM
Post by: TANKS 250 on February 21, 2012, 04:33:24 PM
Glock G22 .40cal in Miami II shoulder holster with 2 extra magazines.
Taurus Millennium Pro 9mm on bike.
Ruger LCR .357 magnum in cut....with 18 round bandolier on wrist.
Multiple knives.
Wifes little plinker is a Walther P22
(http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/TANKS250/Random%20Stuff/Guns%20and%20knives/4cc60758.jpg)
I'm a decent shot.....75' with the .357 with an 1 7/8" barrel(snub nose)
(http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/TANKS250/Random%20Stuff/Guns%20and%20knives/76926cc9.jpg)
Post by: Winhawk on February 21, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Post by: Resbiker on February 22, 2012, 05:16:01 PM
CCW here.
Glock G22 .40cal in Miami II shoulder holster with 2 extra magazines.
Taurus Millennium Pro 9mm on bike.
Ruger LCR .357 magnum in cut....with 18 round bandolier on wrist.
Multiple knives.
Wifes little plinker is a Walther P22
(http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/TANKS250/Random%20Stuff/Guns%20and%20knives/4cc60758.jpg)
I'm a decent shot.....75' with the .357 with an 1 7/8" barrel(snub nose)
(http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/TANKS250/Random%20Stuff/Guns%20and%20knives/76926cc9.jpg)
Not bad, Tanks! Great head shot... your 10 o'clock could be heeling (anticipating recoil) and your 7 o'clock could be squeezing the whole hand with trigger pull. Just had to give you a bad time! I do think you got all lethal shots! Danged if I could any better at that range...
Post by: digga25 on February 22, 2012, 05:25:31 PM
Post by: darth davidson on February 23, 2012, 11:08:03 AM
Post by: Pete7539 on February 23, 2012, 01:25:00 PM
Just got my hands on a KSG. Arrives toorrow. I will post some pix. :orange: :orange: :orange: :orange:
Lucky dog! I'm still waiting on a response from KT. I did however get my Reflex back for free, now all I need is something to put it on.
Post by: 03DUCE on February 23, 2012, 01:57:17 PM
Post by: 03DUCE on February 23, 2012, 02:20:44 PM
Post by: TANKS 250 on February 23, 2012, 05:23:36 PM
Not bad, Tanks! Great head shot... your 10 o'clock could be heeling (anticipating recoil) and your 7 o'clock could be squeezing the whole hand with trigger pull. Just had to give you a bad time! I do think you got all lethal shots! Danged if I could any better at that range...
THANKS MAN!!!
LOL...or maybe it's just a really short barrel and my aim is dead on....LOL...
Pretty God damned good for 75 feet,1.75 " barrell
Yeah...It ain't easy at that distance...LOL
Post by: Midnight Rider on February 25, 2012, 06:28:17 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on February 25, 2012, 06:30:11 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on February 25, 2012, 06:30:42 PM
Post by: spydglide on February 25, 2012, 06:58:11 PM
Post by: StevesCVO on February 25, 2012, 07:24:39 PM
Nice rig, Terry. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
I agree. Looks great.
Post by: cvobiker on February 25, 2012, 08:05:50 PM
http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2012/01/thats-not-recoil-this-is-recoil.html
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on February 25, 2012, 08:09:53 PM
Post by: darth davidson on February 26, 2012, 09:08:23 AM
New Custom made holster for my Sig C3. Black leather and Tergu Lizard. Made by Brigade Gun Leather in Kansas. He's a one man shop, so it took about 3 months to get it, but it was worth the wait! Beautiful craftsmanship, and the gun fits like a glove.
Beautiful!!!
Post by: darth davidson on February 26, 2012, 09:10:30 AM
Post by: darth davidson on February 26, 2012, 09:11:07 AM
Post by: darth davidson on February 26, 2012, 09:15:32 AM
Post by: darth davidson on February 26, 2012, 09:18:57 AM
Post by: FUZZNUTS on February 26, 2012, 09:57:54 AM
Post by: darth davidson on February 26, 2012, 10:21:49 AM
Post by: FUZZNUTS on February 26, 2012, 11:11:23 AM
14+1 in 3 inch or 16+1 in 2 3/4 inch
Holy CHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You'd better not miss the burglar with that thing. You have holes all over the joint. That is very impressive...................................I'll have to see if they're avalible in my area just to check one out. :coolblue:
Post by: jvalny on February 26, 2012, 11:53:09 AM
Post by: darth davidson on February 26, 2012, 11:57:45 AM
Good luck with that . I waited 4 months to get my hands on one. I bought it WITHOUT seen it , just looking at videos and reviews. But after having it in my hand, it was well worth it. Is 26" overall length you could conceal it under a trench coat and a good sling!!!
Holy CHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You'd better not miss the burglar with that thing. You have holes all over the joint. That is very impressive...................................I'll have to see if they're avalible in my area just to check one out. :coolblue:
Post by: Midnight Rider on February 26, 2012, 12:35:01 PM
Really nice :2vrolijk_21: I love the two leather's ;D
The guy's name is Troy Harp...he's also a gunsmith, and makes custom 1911's. http://brigadegunleather.com/
Because he's a one man show, you've got to be patient with him, but I've not seen leather work like this before. He goes the extra mile on the details, like burnishing the edges of everything, and applying his own mixture of "stuff" to the inside of the holster to make it very smooth and slick. The work is impeccable. Since this gun is my main one, I wanted it to have a nice place to live.
Post by: cvobiker on February 26, 2012, 04:37:26 PM
14+1 in 3 inch or 16+1 in 2 3/4 inch
Thats Peanuts... you need the AA-12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
Post by: Midnight Rider on February 26, 2012, 04:44:30 PM
Post by: Glenncarp on February 26, 2012, 11:03:26 PM
As stated in previous posts...If you act like a fool while carrying, you will be treated like a fool. I never let ANYONE know I am carrying, the only time they will know if is their intentions are to do me harm.
As far as traveling, if you are flying and your destination is reciprocal with your CCW, they call your airline and let them know you are going to have a gun in your luggage. you will need the gun empty and in a gun box with an approved lock. All munitions need to be out of the magazine (Folks, it is only called a "clip" in the movies!) and in a container. Airlines differ in how they handle your luggage and I'd suggest you do not show up at check in without having informed the airlines previously.
I just read that there is a bill before the senate that will make all states reciprocal (aside from Iowa I think was the only state). The argument for those apposed is that you are licensed to drive a car in any state and your are held responsible for the laws of that state, why should carrying a gun be different? I agree completely, but it makes too much sense to pass through the Senate!
I heard a pretty good story a while ago...
An elderly man was driving though Texas and was pulled over. The trooper saw a shotgun in the back seat and asked "Do you have any other weapons in the car or on your person". the old man replied "I have a 9mm on my side, a .38 in the glove box and a rife in the trunk". The trooper then asked "What are you afraid of" to which the old man replied "NOTHING"!!!!! ;D
Post by: Skillet on February 27, 2012, 04:15:28 AM
Post by: darth davidson on February 27, 2012, 02:55:11 PM
Thats Peanuts... you need the AA-12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
Believe me , if it was civilian legal, it would be in my safe!!!!!! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: mrmagloo on February 27, 2012, 04:32:03 PM
14+1 in 3 inch or 16+1 in 2 3/4 inch
Actually, its 14+1 for the 2-3/4" and 12+1 for the 3".
Post by: darth davidson on February 28, 2012, 08:54:27 AM
Actually, its 14+1 for the 2-3/4" and 12+1 for the 3".
OMG!! they lied to me !!!! Well, if I have my glasses on I think 12 or 14 will be enough!!!! :2vrolijk_21:
Have not even load it yet, not enough shells!!!
Post by: mrmagloo on February 28, 2012, 11:21:22 AM
OMG!! they lied to me !!!! Well, if I have my glasses on I think 12 or 14 will be enough!!!! :2vrolijk_21:
Have not even load it yet, not enough shells!!!
Well, if mine ever shows up, I'll post what the silhouette looks like. I'm thinking 15 rounds should do the trick! :pineapple:
Post by: spydglide on February 28, 2012, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: TN on February 28, 2012, 05:03:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XejHoZA4FM&feature=youtu.be
Post by: darth davidson on February 29, 2012, 10:26:36 AM
I like that you could load ea. tube with different type shells. Adds a great versatility to the gun with just the flip of a lever. How heavy is it when fully loaded I wonder. :nixweiss: spyder
Weight
3,13 kg / 6,9 lbs empty
3,86 / 8,5 lbs fully loaded
Post by: miker on February 29, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
shooting clays with 22lr, 40 grain bullet. one take. :orange:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XejHoZA4FM&feature=youtu.be
Should put a supressor on it...get the neighboor to pay for it.... :D
Post by: mrmagloo on March 01, 2012, 10:24:48 AM
I like that you could load ea. tube with different type shells. Adds a great versatility to the gun with just the flip of a lever. How heavy is it when fully loaded I wonder. :nixweiss: spyder
Sure can. Slugs in one side and 00 in the other.
Post by: Midnight Rider on March 03, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
Post by: Rimjam on March 13, 2012, 08:41:06 AM
http://now.msn.com/now/0312-double-barreled-handgun.aspx
Post by: Skilter on March 13, 2012, 11:51:04 AM
Mostly, I hear about caliber, etc... Then I hear about laws, etc... Here are my thoughts (even though I hold a CHL in Texas)...
Concealed is concealed. If I go state to state, what are the occasions that I would have to show my weapon? Where do i "check my gun" when riding 95 N through NJ and where do I get it on the backside?
Again... Concealed is concealed ... Take the Marine advice... Presentation in itself is playing the Ace of Spades.
YMMV, but... ATFOTRAF.
Skilter
Post by: BigLew on March 13, 2012, 12:13:50 PM
I have waded through this topic and have tried to think about what to say... I have been in this world for 20 years.I for one Have no idea what you attempted to say??
Mostly, I hear about caliber, etc... Then I hear about laws, etc... Here are my thoughts (even though I hold a CHL in Texas)...
Concealed is concealed. If I go state to state, what are the occasions that I would have to show my weapon? Where do i "check my gun" when riding 95 N through NJ and where do I get it on the backside?
Again... Concealed is concealed ... Take the Marine advice... Presentation in itself is playing the Ace of Spades.
YMMV, but... ATFOTRAF.
Skilter
Post by: charles05663 on March 13, 2012, 01:14:30 PM
Of course someone had to come up with the latest evolution of a great firearm.
http://now.msn.com/now/0312-double-barreled-handgun.aspx
This gun makes double-tapping easy :huepfenlol2:
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: dlaws01 on March 13, 2012, 02:56:06 PM
I for one Have no idea what you attempted to say??
X2 :nixweiss:
Post by: arcticdude on March 15, 2012, 02:23:15 AM
X2 :nixweiss:
He's trying to say he carries everywhere. While I agree with the philosphy, when the chit hits the fan and you do draw; I don't care how many people the perp murders, you'll be the one in jail. Just look at what's already occurring with people just flying through some of these states and getting held over due to flight changes. They're getting locked up, even though they had no way around the situation.
Post by: Screamin on March 15, 2012, 10:26:24 AM
http://rjeffwelding.com/Motorcycle_Accessories.html
Post by: Screamin on March 15, 2012, 10:28:23 AM
Post by: darth davidson on March 15, 2012, 10:41:56 AM
Serious carry:
http://rjeffwelding.com/Motorcycle_Accessories.html
I might be able to fit my KSF in there!!!!!
Post by: VaEagle on March 15, 2012, 12:36:16 PM
I would also hate to think of not only having a saddlebag theft but a gun theft also if not both secured.
This product secures valuables (When you don't wear them) and the saddlebag.
http://www.consolevault.com/harley-davidson-bagger-vault.html
Post by: cvobiker on March 16, 2012, 08:16:26 AM
Another:
And.....what is legal length of a rifle barrel? Seriously, I think there is a federal law stating no less then 16 inches????
Post by: darth davidson on March 16, 2012, 08:22:24 AM
And.....what is legal length of a rifle barrel? Seriously, I think there is a federal law stating no less then 16 inches????
Is correct looks like a SBR, and for that you need an ATF stamp.
Post by: miker on March 16, 2012, 08:31:32 AM
SBR, short barrelled rifles and SBS, short barrlelled shotguns, supressed and automatic weapons as well as AOW's all legal here. Transfers across state lines must be NFA approved with a guess what? Another tax stamp!
Long Live Florida...the Gunshine State.....I cannot recall any recent crime committed with a registered NFA item. We did have double shooting yesterday down the street, by a gang banger just out of the joint...too bad it didnt end well, as in it getting shot dead by the cops. :nixweiss:
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 16, 2012, 08:26:01 PM
If it is the same as a friend has it is classified as a pistol. His the while it has the stock like that, it is to short to shoot like a rifle. It is held out just like a pistol. He has to carry his paper work so he does not get hassled.
And.....what is legal length of a rifle barrel? Seriously, I think there is a federal law stating no less then 16 inches????
Post by: WestCoastRuss on March 16, 2012, 09:27:20 PM
Post by: HogBreath on March 17, 2012, 09:59:00 AM
The 357-38 arguements:
The 357 is a lot of gun in that small of a frame. But, if used for what this pistol is designed for, protection, one or two shots should be enough.
The 357 weighs more. Face it, hopefully I'll carry it and never have to use it. The 38 would be easier to carry.
The Ruger vs S&W arguements.
The S&W has a unique release for the cylinder.
I think I'd like the Ruger better. Left thumb on the relase seems natural. If I were left handed, may would feel differently.
The laser no laser debate.
My initial thoughts..REally? I need a battery to shoot? If I could get an intruder to hold still long enough to change the batteries in my pistol, I wouldn't need the pistol.
Why would I even need a laser with a pistol with a 1.8" barell? If I was after accuracy, I'd have a 357 with a 6" barell. This pistol is made for sticking in someone's gut and firing. Range: 6" - 20' At 20' I would just point and squeeze the trigger instinctively.
With all that said...the laser is a cool feature. Plus, if I looked down on my chest and saw the red laser light centered on my heart...I may change my attitude.
If you're into lasers, the S&W is mounted more inline with the barell. But, the switch is in the right side of the frame.
The Ruger laser is easier to active, and doesn't have the options to consider like the S&W. The S&W has off/on/strobe modes. The riger is simply on or off, and is located conveniently on the grip.
Input anyone?
Post by: TANKS 250 on March 17, 2012, 11:14:49 AM
As for laser, no need, though it may look cool, you should never shoot unless you can CLEARLY see your threat, which means they can see you too, and the gun...so a "red dot" on them doesn't change their minds, especially knowing they are looking at you with a gun, not down at their chest.
But...it you absolutely can't live without the shiny red dot....don't buy the Ruger LCR. The only lasers available change the grip into hard plastic ones,...which is extremely uncomfortable...like one shot uncomfortable...your hand will be stinging bad after one shot.
Post by: cvobiker on March 17, 2012, 11:38:16 AM
too bad it didnt end well, as in it getting shot dead by the cops. :nixweiss:
At least the bad guy was offered a quick trial,, Jury Verdict by Cop and penalty all in one :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: ... could have been worse,, look at all the tax dollars we save ;D
Post by: HogBreath on March 17, 2012, 12:03:51 PM
Post by: naitram on March 17, 2012, 12:14:33 PM
Post by: VaEagle on March 17, 2012, 01:19:47 PM
The .38 vs. .357 debate is a small one if you are compairing the weight of the gun alone. The .357 is a much better manstopper and in a revolver you can swap out .357 ammo for .38 ammo and save ammo costs and recoil on the range. Just be careful and thoroughly clean the revolver chamber ends or you may have trouble seating .357 ammo and it could cause a jam.
I still like the Glock model 36 in .45 caliber for a self-defense gun. It's very compact(about the size of a Chief's special), smooth sides make it easy to conceal, finish is very durable to holster wear and body oils and sweat, the recoil is low and stopping power is excellent.
Post by: Midnight Rider on March 17, 2012, 01:28:06 PM
There is no doubt that a revolver is one of the most reliable weapons ever invented, but for me, I prefer an auto, particularly the 1911 style. A 357 snubbie would be a handful. When the Zombies are trying to get in my house, I'll have 14 chances (7 shot magazines) to get 'em. ;), and 18 more with the 380.
For about the same money as the Ruger 357, you could even go with something like a Sig C3 45ACP. With the right IWB holster, it's easy to carry, and very concealable. And it's safe "locked and loaded", if you choose to carry that way. Most self defense shots are in the 5-10' range, and a 45 JHP makes a big ol hole. It's a fun gun to shoot too. With a little practice, and the gun cocked and locked, it becomes second nature to sweep the thumb safety off as you are bringing up the weapon for use. Then you have a very short trigger pull, and BANG!
As far as the laser thing is concerned...my C3 has the Crimson Trace Laser Grips (burl wood) with an on/off switch on the left side grip. It also has regular night sights. On the C3, the grips are very comfortable, and the laser is activated by gripping the gun properly. You don't HAVE to use them, but it's there. Once you get the laser adjusted to the point of impact of the bullet, you can be sure that it will go where the red dot is, regardless of what position you are in...like on your back, side, or behind something for cover. And, your head is not necessarily lined up with the barrel of the gun. For shooting "off the hip", I can see where the laser might come in handy. In a bad situation, it's not real likely that you're going to be able to do a proper stance and grip...and I'd prefer not to let the bad guy/gal get very close to me at all.
Post by: TANKS 250 on March 17, 2012, 02:19:04 PM
Depends on the experience of the shooter....I train all the time...with my Ruger LCR .357 magnum I can hit a 6" plate @75' all day long.
As for recoil, again...depends on the experience of the shooter...bad grip...bad shots...and a sore hand.
My 12 year old son with the Ruger.357 mag.
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Post by: HogBreath on March 17, 2012, 03:34:14 PM
Terry I hear what you're saying and can't disagree with anything you say. But, Only reason I wanted a new pistol is protection. I've shot a pickup truck load of ammo in my lifetime, and I'm over it. I was looking for something easy to conceal and carry, yet big enough to stop someone if need be. I had the 380, but was concerned about stopping a drunk drug crazed guy built like a football linebacker. If he was an itty bitty guy, I wouldn't need a gun.. :P. Some guns are for target shooting, some for carrying. I'm sure this statement will start a debate, but, not sure I've seen one that was perfect for both.
If I knew I was going to need it on a regular basis, I'd prefer a 45 auto 15 round with spare clips. Then all ya gotta do is shoot up amongst em. One or two bound to hit their mark. While I'm no marksman by any stretch of the imagination, I wouldn't bet my life AGAINST my markmanship if'n ya know what I mean. Give me a long gun, and I'll shoot with most anyone. Started shooting at 7 y/o I think.
Post by: Midnight Rider on March 17, 2012, 04:49:13 PM
I don't go out shooting these things much after the initial "break in", and making sure my ammo of choice runs well through the gun. So, I've run about 500 rounds through the C3 45 and about 300 through the P238 380, both without a hiccup, so they'll be parked in my nightstand or on my person when I feel like I need to carry, which is not all the time.
I did a bunch of reading about the various calibers, etc when deciding what I wanted to get for the rest of my life. If you go to some of the gun forums, there's always a big debate about what the best caliber is, etc. After a bunch of reading, I chose the Hornady Critical Defense round for both guns...that's what's in the magazines now. The 380 with that round can do the job, but of course, the 45 would be "better". Neither one of them are worth a chit if you can't hit what you're aiming at, and nobody knows for sure how they'd act in a real life situation. I just hope it never comes up. I don't think I'll ever be shooting through windshields on cars, or somebody 200 feet away...I'll just get the hell out of there if I can.
Really, I enjoy taking the Colt 1911 22LR out just for fun shooting/plinking. It works like my other two, but I can afford to shoot 500 rounds through it. I'm no markman either, but I do well enough. My Grandpa used to take me out in the woods shooting his old Browning 22 single shot, and later I got to shoot his shotguns. He was a good teacher.
Post by: Resbiker on March 19, 2012, 08:49:09 AM
Post by: BigLew on March 19, 2012, 08:56:59 AM
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Post by: clegg on March 19, 2012, 10:26:13 AM
Post by: darth davidson on March 19, 2012, 10:48:09 AM
Still waiting on a AA-12 to be available! :orange:
BigLew
You might enjoy this video
http://youtu.be/WOoUVeyaY_8
Post by: Midnight Rider on March 19, 2012, 11:48:12 AM
Khar PM9 with a permit. Buried in bag unloaded when in the wrong states. Mag in pocket. I don't care what state I am camping in (I normally tent it..) it's in tent with me. Hello Mr Bear.. I prefer Spear Gold Dot +P, but find the large hollowpoint can bind up feeding on this weapon. Anyone else have this problem?
Have you tried polishing the ramp a bit? Sometimes that will do the trick. Or, try a different ammo, like Hornady CD. No trouble with feeding on either of my Sigs with that ammo.
Post by: BigLew on March 19, 2012, 11:51:59 AM
You might enjoy this videoLove it, all I want for Christmas
http://youtu.be/WOoUVeyaY_8
BigLew
Post by: porthole on March 20, 2012, 12:43:52 PM
and nobody knows for sure how they'd act in a real life situation.
Even with LEO.
Just recently at the huge Woodbridge Center Mall we had a shoplifting turned hostage taking after the store security confronted the perp.
Took a knife to the woman's throat. Off duty LEO on part time didn't hesitate - just like TV - one round right between the eyes. Dropped hime where he stood like a box of rocks.
Good to know many have what it takes.
Post by: Eagle Eye on March 20, 2012, 03:14:47 PM
Even with LEO.
Just recently at the huge Woodbridge Center Mall we had a shoplifting turned hostage taking after the store security confronted the perp.
Took a knife to the woman's throat. Off duty LEO on part time didn't hesitate - just like TV - one round right between the eyes. Dropped hime where he stood like a box of rocks.
Good to know many have what it takes.
One less scumbag to feed and house. I would like to shake that officer's hands. He should get a medal.
Post by: Eagle Eye on March 20, 2012, 03:16:19 PM
You might enjoy this video
http://youtu.be/WOoUVeyaY_8
Our troops should have this weapon, if they don't already. Whew! I'd love to have the version available to the public.
Post by: Midnight Rider on March 20, 2012, 04:00:04 PM
Even with LEO.
Just recently at the huge Woodbridge Center Mall we had a shoplifting turned hostage taking after the store security confronted the perp.
Took a knife to the woman's throat. Off duty LEO on part time didn't hesitate - just like TV - one round right between the eyes. Dropped hime where he stood like a box of rocks.
Good to know many have what it takes.
Pretty much doesn't need to be contributing to the gene pool if he was stupid (either naturally, or drug induced) enough to pull a knife on the security person and take her "hostage". There's one thing that's pretty much a given in the Universe...you ain't going to win a pissing contest with LEO.
I read/see where a lot of druggies are shoplifting, then getting refunds for the merchandise to get their fix for the day. As Forrest Gump said: "Stupid is as Stupid does"...
Post by: charles05663 on March 20, 2012, 04:11:08 PM
Even with LEO.
Just recently at the huge Woodbridge Center Mall we had a shoplifting turned hostage taking after the store security confronted the perp.
Took a knife to the woman's throat. Off duty LEO on part time didn't hesitate - just like TV - one round right between the eyes. Dropped hime where he stood like a box of rocks.
Good to know many have what it takes.
Imagine if a private citizen did that in NJ. He would be on trial for murder. They don't look fondly on private gun ownership.
Post by: BigLew on March 20, 2012, 04:47:23 PM
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Post by: Midnight Rider on March 20, 2012, 06:17:56 PM
Let me clarify something: I own 3 handguns, a double barrel shotgun, and a small caliber rifle. I like my guns, and I don't want anyone taking them away, or keeping me from owning them. But, I don't start foaming at the mouth and get my panties all wadded up from some group's perception than this or that person is going to ever be able to take guns away from US citizens. For one, there's just too many of both guns and people who own them. This or that law has been passed, by people on both sides of the political spectrum, but that stuff ebbs and flows with whatever event(s) happen to make people upset about the event, and do something to attempt it's prevention in the future. Not many have been successful in a long term strategy to solve "the gun problem". It is extremely unlikely that I'll ever have the need to use deadly force against another human being, and quite honestly, nobody except those who have been there/done that knows for sure what they would do if the situation presented itself. I THINK I would not hesitate if needed, but I can't possibley KNOW that beforehand. I hope I never have to find out.
Meanwhile, I'll just continue to enjoy owning my guns, shooting them whenever I feel I need the practice or fun, admiring the precision mechanics of the weapon itself, and keep one by my bed "just in case". But the odds of me ever having to actually use them for the intended purpose are astronomical.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 20, 2012, 08:28:07 PM
Imagine if a private citizen did that in NJ. He would be on trial for murder. They don't look fondly on private gun ownership.
One of the reasons I do travel in NJ.
I was Stationed in NJ for three years. Had to Carry a 1911 on Duty on base. Yet NJ would not let me register my hand guns, or buy ammo for them. I could drive 1 hour to PA and buy all the ammo I wanted. Rather stupid, trust me to stand guard on a gate to a base with a pistol and a shot gun, but I cant buy ammo for my guns or register them, not trust worthy. LOL.
While Hunting in NJ, one time on the way home I stopped for a cup of coffee, put my shot gun in the cab of my truck while in the store. State trooper ticketed me when I came out, see NJ law, you cant have the ammo and gun in the same compartment. So, the officer said I should have left the ammo or gun in the bed of the truck while in the store. Pretty stupid if you ask me.
I have had carry permits since 1990. Yet, I keep my carry well concealed.
Post by: dlaws01 on March 20, 2012, 09:17:13 PM
I didn't realize we had a gun problem. Other than the fact that I don't have all the ones I want! :nixweiss:
Post by: Eagle Eye on March 21, 2012, 02:41:52 PM
http://www.offthegridnews.com/2011/01/17/the-gun-is-civilization/
I believe this helped us defeat the Soviets in the arms race through "mutually assured destruction" by keeping all the players on an equal footing. Hard to do if you can't own a gun and someone breaks into your house, or tries to jack your car.
While, it hasn't been solved yet in public debate, and there are many compelling reasons for this law or that. The bottom line is a gun is a tool, like any in the woodshed. Abused, it will harm and maim the unfortunate, but used properly it can help keep the peace and protect our loved ones. :wall:
Post by: 99fatboy on March 21, 2012, 04:50:57 PM
Post by: dlaws01 on March 21, 2012, 09:59:27 PM
Post by: SG Racer on March 22, 2012, 12:05:11 AM
I've found from experience that it's better NOT to tell any LEO that you are carrying unless they ask. Here in Tennessee your carry permit number is the same as your driver's license number so if they run your driver's license through the computer, it shows that you have a carry permit. The two times that I did inform the LEO that I was carrying, I got real strange looks and they both backed up and placed a hand on their weapon. Caused a real nervous reaction so now I don't volunteer any info unless asked.I do the same thing. Unless they ask, I do not volunteer.
Post by: spydglide on March 22, 2012, 07:16:39 AM
Post by: cvobiker on March 22, 2012, 08:10:58 AM
Post by: BigLew on March 22, 2012, 09:05:23 AM
I like the ole saying 'what you don't know, won't hurt' so if there is no good reason to tell him/her then no harm...unless you do somthing stupid...I don't agree at all. I didn't know that the law was up for debate. Here if you want the permit obey the law. When stopped or approached make the statement. have done many times with no issues and one time could have been a real big issues one week after 9-11 at an airport but the Leo's and military handled it very well all things considered! Long story.
BigLew
Post by: EZRIDN on March 22, 2012, 09:55:49 AM
The big issue today with carrying is there is no nationwide standard regarding the state's CCW laws. Like it or not....there needs to be a 'one for all' regulation so no matter where you are at you know that you are in compliance. I'm not saying we NEED regulation....but, if we are going to have it...make the law even across the board/all states reciprocal.
Post by: roadking71865 on March 22, 2012, 10:06:42 AM
Post by: EZRIDN on March 22, 2012, 11:39:01 AM
http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/story/1332407149qn3zm2bebpn
Ruger Temporarily Suspends Acceptance of New Orders
SOUTHPORT, CT --Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE-RGR), announced today that for the first quarter 2012, the Company has received orders for more than one million units. Therefore, the Company has temporarily suspended the acceptance of new orders.
Chief Executive Officer Michael O. Fifer made the following comments:
• The Company's Retailer Programs that were offered from January 1, 2012 through February 29, 2012 were very successful and generated significant orders from retailers to independent wholesale distributors for Ruger firearms.
• Year-to-date, the independent wholesale distributors placed orders with the Company for more than one million Ruger firearms.
• Despite the Company's continuing successful efforts to increase production rates, the incoming order rate exceeds our capacity to rapidly fulfill these orders. Consequently, the Company has temporarily suspended the acceptance of new orders.
• The Company expects to resume the normal acceptance of orders by the end of May 2012.
The Company will announce its results and file its Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for the first quarter of 2012 on Tuesday, May 1, 2012, after the close of the stock market.
About Sturm, Ruger
Sturm, Ruger was founded in 1949 and is one of the nation's leading manufacturers of high-quality firearms for the commercial sporting market. Sturm, Ruger is headquartered in Southport, CT, with manufacturing facilities located in Newport, NH and Prescott, AZ.
Post by: BigLew on March 22, 2012, 11:53:25 AM
Post by: spydglide on March 22, 2012, 01:12:31 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on March 22, 2012, 01:52:33 PM
Yep, just received notice from one of the on-line ammo suppliers that their orders were over the top also. What's going on? spyder
Same thing that happened in '08 because of the election cycle. People panic over things they THINK might happen. There is no basis in fact for it. The suppliers love it...in fact, it has been suggested that some of the ammo manufacturers create the "shortages" in order to bump prices up.
That, and the whole 2012 thing where everybody is going to be running amuck, trying to steal your chit...like a Mel Gibson movie...if something like that does in fact happen, having guns and ammo will be the least of worries. Those Doomsday shows on TV now feed the whole thing. The shows are sorta interesting, at times, but most of them are nuts...
Post by: Eagle Eye on March 22, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
Conversely, when it comes to general emergency preparidness, I don't think we can do enough to be ready to take care of our families. Living in an area that could have a devastating earthquake tends to make one wary. Right now there are scientists claiming multiple factors increasing the likelyhood of a major quake in California soon.
If the worst happens, we are prepared to protect our home and work with our neighbors on keeping looters out. It might be necessary to have ammo and arms. When and if that happens, I hope it does not come to that. That would mean the rule of law has failed and we are on our own.
Post by: Midnight Rider on March 22, 2012, 05:00:53 PM
In California, I would consider it necessary to be a bit more prepared for a month or so without some services and food supplies. And, depending on where you live, looting and people taking advantage of a bad situation would be a concern.
Around here, it's just Tornadoes we have to worry about, and they do relatively isolated damage...don't disrupt the entire flow of things. Might be without power for a few days if not directly hit.
I think the thing we need to be most concerned about is a devastaing interruption of our food and water supplies, from whatever cause. Without trucks, it wouldn't be long for chaos to ensue. I don't see that happening in any kind of national sense, but it could definitely happen to certain areas, and if it was a major city...all hell would break loose in short order.
Post by: Hugh Janis on March 23, 2012, 09:57:35 AM
http://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2011/05/preparedness-101-zombie-apocalypse/
Post by: porthole on March 23, 2012, 10:00:13 AM
Post by: miker on March 23, 2012, 10:05:25 AM
Post by: BigLew on March 23, 2012, 11:24:39 AM
Just get some zombie juice to rub on yourself, they cant detect you then, kinda like spashing troll piss on to make you invisable to trolls.In your neck of the world it would be "love bug" juice this time of the year!! :D
BigLew
Post by: porthole on March 23, 2012, 01:01:22 PM
http://www.botachtactical.com/glockmagazines.html
Post by: digga25 on March 23, 2012, 01:13:26 PM
Post by: dlaws01 on March 23, 2012, 01:33:32 PM
This is a "natural selection" that helps to reduce the surplus population. Some people really don't need to handle firearms at all. :end:
Post by: spydglide on March 23, 2012, 04:46:49 PM
In your neck of the world it would be "love bug" juice this time of the year!! :DI was thinking that juice would be for Jock's Daytona-Gurls. ;D har. spyder
BigLew
Post by: Hugh Janis on March 24, 2012, 10:06:28 AM
I was thinking that juice would be for Jock's Daytona-Gurls. ;D har. spyder
:-* :huepfenlol2: :2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: Midnight Rider on March 29, 2012, 03:03:12 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on March 29, 2012, 03:04:14 PM
Post by: BigLew on March 29, 2012, 03:12:00 PM
Other side of the Colt..Nice, I'm thinking about selling my Kimber. Shot maybe 75-100 rounds. Just can't get used to carrying it with the hammer back at least I'm not comfortable with it. Pro Covert II and its a nice piece just not me. I really like my H&K P7 for the carry piece. Most people couldn't shoot it if they could take it away. Very cool sqeeze cocker!
BigLew
Post by: porthole on March 31, 2012, 11:45:20 PM
Post by: BigLew on April 02, 2012, 08:55:38 AM
Which Kimber do you have?Pro Covert II is the one I never shoot. I thought I might carry it but I don't.
BigLew
Post by: porthole on April 02, 2012, 11:11:31 AM
Post by: BigLew on April 02, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
Is the camo model?Yep with the laser. Nice piece
BigLew
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on April 02, 2012, 11:58:40 AM
Yep with the laser. Nice piece
BigLew
My 2 cents Lou is that this gun is to big for a carry piece. It has over a 7" barrel making it not very practical for concealed carry. Perhaps the ultra Pro Convert ll would have been a better choice. Nice pistol from Kimber all things considered.
Post by: BigLew on April 02, 2012, 12:14:42 PM
Maybe...the whole gun is 7" long but the handle is about the same as an ultra CDP. But I've had one of those and they are a handful to shoot. Just don't like carrying somethng with the hammer back. Eveytime I reach to grab it out of the carry holster your thumb runs right accross the the slide lock (safety). That situation would happen so fast. Just not comfortable with it. I really like the P7 but I think I might get a new Ruger hammerless .38 with the composite frame. I forget what its call but I saw one over the weekend. Pretty cool for a carry piece on the bike.
My 2 cents Lou is that this gun is to big for a carry piece. It has over a 7" barrel making it not very practical for concealed carry. Perhaps the ultra Pro Convert ll would have been a better choice. Nice pistol from Kimber all things considered.
BigLew
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on April 02, 2012, 12:18:26 PM
Maybe...the whole gun is 7" long but the handle is about the same as an ultra CDP. But I've had one of those and they are a handful to shoot. Just don't like carrying somethng with the hammer back. Eveytime I reach to grab it out of the carry holster your thumb runs right accross the the slide lock (safety). That situation would happen so fast. Just not comfortable with it. I really like the P7 but I think I might get a new Ruger hammerless .38 with the composite frame. I forget what its call but I saw one over the weekend. Pretty cool for a carry piece on the bike.
BigLew
I have the Kimber CDP Ultra for carry and I don't keep the hammer back. If I need to use it for defense I figured it won't take me long to pull the hammer back. I carry it when I do trips on my mc.
Post by: 1sharprdkg on April 07, 2012, 06:35:28 PM
Condition 1. Cocked and Locked! Practice,practice,practice.
I have the Kimber CDP Ultra for carry and I don't keep the hammer back. If I need to use it for defense I figured it won't take me long to pull the hammer back. I carry it when I do trips on my mc.
Post by: porthole on April 07, 2012, 08:24:06 PM
http://www.xdspistol.com/
Post by: EZRIDN on April 07, 2012, 09:06:10 PM
New Springfield XD series
http://www.xdspistol.com/
Big Letters: 'Made in Croatia' ....thats, not for me.
Post by: digga25 on April 07, 2012, 11:05:38 PM
Post by: dmnrdn on April 08, 2012, 09:51:56 PM
I have the Kimber CDP Ultra for carry and I don't keep the hammer back. If I need to use it for defense I figured it won't take me long to pull the hammer back. I carry it when I do trips on my mc.
That is an AD waiting to happen if it is on a loaded chamber. Have a friend who carried like that for several years until the seat belt got him. Got lucky but had one heck of a time explaining it to his wife and the upholstery shop.
Post by: porthole on April 09, 2012, 09:22:50 AM
Have a friend who carried like that for several years until the seat belt got him.
So - the seat-belt cocked the hammer and then pulled the trigger?
Post by: Midnight Rider on April 09, 2012, 12:30:14 PM
That is an AD waiting to happen if it is on a loaded chamber. Have a friend who carried like that for several years until the seat belt got him. Got lucky but had one heck of a time explaining it to his wife and the upholstery shop.
The seat belt got the grip safety, cocked the hammer, and then fired the gun? My Sig won't do chit unless the grip safety is released.
Carrying a gun with one in the chamber is more risky than not having one in the chamber, regardless of weapon type...IMO. A 1911 style gun carried "cocked and locked" is safe IF you're carrying in a holster than covers the thumb safety.
If you practice a little, you can rack the slide with your left hand (for a righty) as you draw and bring the weapon up, if you have use of your left hand. If you don't, you're probably hosed anyway.
If you stick the gun in your waistbelt sans holster, all bets are then off...
Post by: miker on April 09, 2012, 01:54:32 PM
My sig 220 has a hammer drop function that is kinda neeto, if I were to carry it. I have yet to clean it, 1500 rounds..I have yet to drop test it but it is only the house "flashlight" not a carry piece. The trigger is kinda crummy too..
My kimbers are too fancy for carry and the Nighthawk is, well still on my wishlist...Other wise I practice with the crummy lcp .380 but am getting good to 15 foot with it, not bad for a belllygun carried in my front pocket. Still hope never to use it other than at the range. :coolblue:
Post by: BigLew on April 09, 2012, 02:17:51 PM
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Post by: dmnrdn on April 09, 2012, 03:16:53 PM
So - the seat-belt cocked the hammer and then pulled the trigger?
He was carrying it with the hammer down on a chambered round which he had been warned about for years. (Forest Gump stupid is as stupid does kind of guy). Seatbelt caught the hammer and slipped off the hammer before going to full cock. Hammer did not catch on the half-cock notch(later determined the sear bounced and prevented that) hammer then fell on a loaded round.
The only way to carry a 1911 of any kind safely is
#1. Cocked and locked (the reason for extended safeties)
#2. Hammer down on an empty chamber
#3. Not at all
Of course I am a rookie on carrying a 1911 having owned one of the first 1970 Mark IV and carrying it till 2010.
Post by: darth davidson on April 09, 2012, 07:20:27 PM
He was carrying it with the hammer down on a chambered round which he had been warned about for years. (Forest Gump stupid is as stupid does kind of guy). Seatbelt caught the hammer and slipped off the hammer before going to full cock. Hammer did not catch on the half-cock notch(later determined the sear bounced and prevented that) hammer then fell on a loaded round.
The only way to carry a 1911 of any kind safely is
#1. Cocked and locked (the reason for extended safeties)
#2. Hammer down on an empty chamber
#3. Not at all
Of course I am a rookie on carrying a 1911 having owned one of the first 1970 Mark IV and carrying it till 2010.
I carry my Kimber Ultra covert II (3 in) Cocked safety on and inside a Milt Sparks holster IWB. Never an issue. Safety is covered.
Post by: HD2012CVO on April 15, 2012, 02:31:50 PM
Sometimes I don't carry anything, but when I do it's any one of the following.
H&K .40
Glock .40
S&W 9mm
Ruger .357
If I am feeling a little like a cowboy, I will take one of my Bisley Vaquero's.
Post by: porthole on April 15, 2012, 07:19:54 PM
and the Nighthawk is, well still on my wishlist...
Still waiting for my son to tire of his custom Nighthawk. Has dropped several hints about maybe getting rid of it.
Post by: darth davidson on April 15, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
Still waiting for my son to tire of his custom Nighthawk. Has dropped several hints about maybe getting rid of it.
I wish I could afford one!!
Post by: BigLew on April 16, 2012, 09:01:57 AM
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Post by: porthole on April 16, 2012, 10:00:49 AM
I wish I could afford one!!
Same here, that's why I'm waiting for him to give it up :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Dracula on April 16, 2012, 01:22:44 PM
Just bought a Ruger LCR .38+. Pretty cool gun. Especially with the new sticky holster. Fits really cool in the bike jacket and should do the trick. Let you guys know how she does at the range. Kimbers to big and to nice for the bike carry.
BigLew
I carry a LCR .357. Shoots really well...I can put all 5 where they need to be. Love the hammerless design. With sticky holster, fits well in my boot when riding, and fits totally concealed in cargo shorts front pocket. Shoot enough .357 hollows through and you will know you have been shooting something.
Post by: BigLew on April 16, 2012, 02:17:10 PM
BigLew
Post by: darth davidson on April 16, 2012, 02:34:37 PM
Preferred carry :
1.- Kimber Ultra covert II 45 ACP
2.- Glock 36 45 ACP
3.- Beretta Nano 9 mm
4.- Chiappa Rhino .357
Back up
1.- Bondarms Snake slayer 45 colt
Not for concealment
My beloved Sig P229 equinox .40
If I NEED TO PULL MY SNAKE SLAYER OUT OF MY ANKLE I AM IN DEEEEEP CHIT!!!!
Post by: BigLew on April 16, 2012, 03:45:52 PM
Post by: Keats on April 16, 2012, 03:51:37 PM
He was carrying it with the hammer down on a chambered round which he had been warned about for years. (Forest Gump stupid is as stupid does kind of guy). Seatbelt caught the hammer and slipped off the hammer before going to full cock. Hammer did not catch on the half-cock notch(later determined the sear bounced and prevented that) hammer then fell on a loaded round.
The only way to carry a 1911 of any kind safely is
#1. Cocked and locked (the reason for extended safeties)
#2. Hammer down on an empty chamber
#3. Not at all
Of course I am a rookie on carrying a 1911 having owned one of the first 1970 Mark IV and carrying it till 2010.
And that is the reason I do not carry a 1911 frame (I have 2)
MY HK, XDM or Glock are safer to me with a first shot being double action.
cocked and locked always un-nerved me, but I knew better than to put one in the hole with hammer down (ultra stupid) and if I really needed a gun, not sure there is enough time to rachet the slide back.
hence my carrying a Kel-tec, Glock, HK compact.
I no longer carry my Para ordinance or Kimber.
Post by: denis on April 16, 2012, 04:10:58 PM
Post by: Fired00d on April 16, 2012, 04:15:25 PM
im a leo i carry always in every state on my pearson with a ccr permitIf you're LEO you don't need a concealed carry permit (especially since there isn't a nationwide cc permit and some states don't have reciprocity with others) you can carry under the Law Enforcement Act of 2004.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: BigLew on April 16, 2012, 04:20:33 PM
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Post by: darth davidson on April 16, 2012, 05:08:33 PM
So Darth I too have the older snake slayer. Which do you prefer the .45LC or the 000 buckshot? That long colt screams out of the gun. If I really want to make some noise I get out the FN 5.7 that I carry with the 30 rd clips. :orange: :orange:
I like the 410 shells!
Post by: dmnrdn on April 16, 2012, 09:49:31 PM
And that is the reason I do not carry a 1911 frame (I have 2)
MY HK, XDM or Glock are safer to me with a first shot being double action.
cocked and locked always un-nerved me, but I knew better than to put one in the hole with hammer down (ultra stupid) and if I really needed a gun, not sure there is enough time to rachet the slide back.
hence my carrying a Kel-tec, Glock, HK compact.
I no longer carry my Para ordinance or Kimber.
No more 1911 based for me since 2010 for cc either. I have become a Sig bigot and always have one ready and handy
Post by: SBB on April 16, 2012, 09:50:49 PM
No more 1911 based for me since 2010 for cc either. I have become a Sig bigot and always have one ready and handy
X 2
:2vrolijk_21:
SBB
Post by: cropsure on April 16, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
Post by: D-N-D on April 17, 2012, 06:00:35 AM
Post by: spydglide on April 17, 2012, 06:32:33 AM
Colt Compact 911 / 45 ACPMaybe the model 1911 Colt was what they fashioned the nine one one emergency call numbers from.....makes sense to me. ;) har. spyder
Post by: D-N-D on April 17, 2012, 07:26:14 AM
Post by: porthole on April 17, 2012, 09:07:39 AM
My local retailer cant get me either the S&W Bodyguard 380 or the Kel Tec 2000 (in G-19) right now.
Post by: BigLew on April 17, 2012, 09:54:36 AM
I know folks have the right as a citizen of the great nation to own firearms but if you dont spend some time REALLY learning how it operates and what it can do it might as well be a stapler. Im as afraid of these folks as I an the guy that would break into my house. They could be the final straw in our right to own! Hope not, sorry for the rant.
If you own a gun shoot it regularly and encourge others to do the same or better yet take a newbie to the range. These are dangerous times educate others to protect our rights to carry!!
BigLew
Post by: spydglide on April 17, 2012, 04:24:55 PM
I guess the thing that I am most worried about is I see a hugh amount of people buying handguns. And a large number of them are not even sure which end the bullet comes out of. Well maybe they do, but to listen to these newbies talk they have no intention or going to the range and learning how this firearm thing works. This scares the crap out of me. Back in my days in rural NC it was a rite of passage to hunt and fish and do those things with dad. I really believe that until you kill somethng I mean watch what you just shot die that you have no idea what this gun thing is about. It was a big deal when we killed game and we always ate what we killed. when you get up close and personal with the firearm and the life you took it will change your outlook. I'm glad I had the experience and i shared it with my girls when they were in their late teens because they wanted the experience and to spend some time with dad doing some non girley things and it changed there video game thinking. And we still do it today.I liked your 'rant', biglew. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
I know folks have the right as a citizen of the great nation to own firearms but if you dont spend some time REALLY learning how it operates and what it can do it might as well be a stapler. Im as afraid of these folks as I an the guy that would break into my house. They could be the final straw in our right to own! Hope not, sorry for the rant.
If you own a gun shoot it regularly and encourge others to do the same or better yet take a newbie to the range. These are dangerous times educate others to protect our rights to carry!!
BigLew
Post by: HogBreath on April 17, 2012, 04:44:01 PM
Another thing to think about....and I mean REALLY think about it... Is how are you going to react when and of you have to use the firearm? Are you really prepared to shoot someone else, even if it's self defense? If you're going to shoot someone, are you aiming for the knee, or critical mass? In my humble opinion, if you're not prepared to shoot for critcal mass, without hesitation, then, you better not pull it out, and it might be better if you didn't even have it.
I've never had to pull a gun on someone. I hope and pray I never have to. But, I have given it serious thought to how I'll react. Be prepared. It's not a game nor a toy.
Post by: BigLew on April 17, 2012, 05:04:18 PM
100% agree BigLew.X 2 me either
Another thing to think about....and I mean REALLY think about it... Is how are you going to react when and of you have to use the firearm? Are you really prepared to shoot someone else, even if it's self defense? If you're going to shoot someone, are you aiming for the knee, or critical mass? In my humble opinion, if you're not prepared to shoot for critcal mass, without hesitation, then, you better not pull it out, and it might be better if you didn't even have it.
I've never had to pull a gun on someone. I hope and pray I never have to. But, I have given it serious thought to how I'll react. Be prepared. It's not a game nor a toy.
BigLew
Post by: Midnight Rider on April 17, 2012, 06:52:29 PM
I have never shot a human being (I somehow missed having to go to 'Nam), but I have gone over the scenario in my head a hundred times, at least. That doesn't mean I'll react well if it come to that, but at least the possibility is rattling around in my head. If I'm going to shoot someone, I'll do my best to make sure they never get up again. The last thing I want to do is injure them and have them either sue me, or come after me when they're mended.
Let's just all hope that it never comes to that for any of us...
Post by: spydglide on April 17, 2012, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: darth davidson on April 17, 2012, 10:59:50 PM
Post by: BigLew on April 18, 2012, 09:11:44 AM
BigLew
Post by: Eagle Eye on April 18, 2012, 10:11:49 AM
When I went to the CCP class, I was disappointed to see how little to no training is actually required to carry a weapon on you. The class lasted 45 min and 3 shots at the range. The lady in front of me did not know the difference between muffler and muzzle and still passed the course. Don't blame the guns , is the stupid people that gives them bad reputation. Is like blaming the cars for all the morons behind the wheel. :drink:
Agreed, even a hammer is a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands...
Post by: miker on April 18, 2012, 10:37:20 AM
I am waiting on a new S&W Shield in .40 for something different.
Post by: 2k on April 18, 2012, 11:40:07 AM
When I went to the CCP class, I was disappointed to see how little to no training is actually required to carry a weapon on you. The class lasted 45 min and 3 shots at the range. The lady in front of me did not know the difference between muffler and muzzle and still passed the course. Don't blame the guns , is the stupid people that gives them bad reputation. Is like blaming the cars for all the morons behind the wheel. :drink:
WOW. NC requires 10 hrs of class and 50 rounds fired on the range at various targets.
Post by: darth davidson on April 18, 2012, 12:16:14 PM
Floriduh is full of exceptional idiots...part of gunshow class is walking through the paperwork step by step because some folks are that stupid.
I am waiting on a new S&W Shield in .40 for something different.
HAHAHA Is true I forgot about that, the walk you thru the whole application like it was some sort is dark contract that you were signing your life away or something. So the actual class/learning time is even less HAHAHHAHA
Post by: miker on April 18, 2012, 12:44:13 PM
I think it would be prudent for deeper backround checks but some resonable intelligence testing, I guess that could apply to owning pets, breeding and driving too... ::)
Some states dont talk to other states so a transient crazed criminal can come to the Gunshine State go to a gun show pay cash and walk away armed...There is a gap..... also some more pratical execution, pardon the pun..I have had some shady dudes asking me to buy guns at a show before, sketchy dudes had me on FPCON walking out... :'(
Post by: PASN YU on April 18, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
Post by: BigLew on April 18, 2012, 03:13:36 PM
So, the answer is to make it more expensive or difficult for a law abiding citizen to get a concealed weapons permit?? Wrong answer. Does anyone know the statistics for how many crimes are committed by concealed weapon permit holders (the stupid and uneducated ones included) with guns? It's far less than 1% per year (I'm not going to go through where I found the stat, do your own homework). The point here is that criminals will continue to commit crimes no matter how much it costs or how deep the background check or how much training is required to get a concealed weapons permit because criminals don't care about getting them. Don't blame the guns or the concealed weapons holders for shooting crimes. Blame criminals. :2vrolijk_21:Hang on I agree with what you are saying and the number of CC folks commiting felonies is very very small. But buying a long gun is one thing (it will stay at home most of the time) but handguns thats a different deal. # years ago i dont know that it bothered me, but there is a real panic out there with average americans and a lot are buying handguns and carrying legal and not so legal. I dont want to loose my rights to carry because a new group of nuts want to carry a pistol around and do something stupid.(there are a lot of folks that would love for that to happen) I dont know what the answer is but something needs to be in place. Hey you get a drivers permit to drive and they test you and make you preform before you can drive, just saying!
BigLew
Post by: Eagle Eye on April 18, 2012, 03:34:45 PM
After the unfortunate school shooting in Oakland last week, their Mayor started the rant about gun control again. If the guy had gone in with a pickax and hacked them up instead, would they be calling for outlawing and controlling pickaxes? A weapon is only a deadly object in the hands of a killer. That killer will find a way to kill, however available. Leaving average law abiding citizens unarmed just makes them an easy target. I believe with the proper training as indicated above, anyone who would be otherwise qualified should be able to have a reasonable weapon with which to protect life and home. The U.S.Constitution gives us that right.
This whole issue is about government control over so many parts of our lives. It has grown increasingly intrusive since 9/11 and has no signs of letting up. Unfortunately, our government forgets they work at the will of the people, not the other way around.
Post by: mrmagloo on April 18, 2012, 03:44:52 PM
I think the reality is, all of us 2A supporters have to make a concerted effort to reach out and embrace our family and friends to offer going to the range together. To seek out IDPA and other match type training, and change the perception that training is wholesome fun, and not boring school work. Imho, part of winning back years of our suppressed rights includes changing the mainstream ideals of how guns fit into our every day lives. Once we erase the years if stigmas, doing family match shooting might be just as popular as bowling.
Post by: miker on April 18, 2012, 03:47:20 PM
They may drive drunk or have text behind the wheel and kill, maim someone but not shoot them.
A more difficult practical exam, here in Florida may save a life or two, I do not know how difficult the practical exams are in other states. Here they don't even show the applicants how to clear a weapon. Private instruction is offered during the class on how to fill out paperwork. I have been scared dipless at some ranges down here..by legal owners, but I digress to pets, cars and kids..some folk just shouldn't outta.
I would like a national reciprocity for any cwp. State to state laws that make criminals out of law abiding citizens by carrying a gun through or into the state? Figger that one out, that is criminal. :nixweiss:
Back to the topic.... I am still waiting on the S&W Shield in .40 and really drooling over a bobtailed Nighthawk Talon II at the upscale shop where it is more expensive to arm up ;)
Post by: miker on April 18, 2012, 03:51:12 PM
Post by: BigLew on April 18, 2012, 04:26:36 PM
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Post by: HogBreath on April 18, 2012, 05:20:15 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on April 18, 2012, 05:24:48 PM
I'm totally against anyone having CCP. It's our God Given, and constitutional right. Why should I need a permit to protect myself?
I'm totally against Ken having a shotgun. I saw the pictures of what you did to that poor defensless washer when it pissed you off... :rifle:
Post by: BigLew on April 18, 2012, 05:29:43 PM
I'm totally against anyone having CCP. It's our God Given, and constitutional right. Why should I need a permit to protect myself?That is your right to have an opinion. But I don't want criminals to be able to hide a gun!
Post by: HogBreath on April 18, 2012, 05:40:20 PM
I'm totally against Ken having a shotgun. I saw the pictures of what you did to that poor defensless washer when it pissed you off... :rifle:
I have nothing funny to add to that post. ;D
That is your right to have an opinion. But I don't want criminals to be able to hide a gun!
I'd be interested in hearing how you'd stop criminals from hiding a gun.
Post by: BigLew on April 18, 2012, 05:51:00 PM
Post by: HogBreath on April 18, 2012, 05:59:40 PM
That's easy enforce the existing law.
:2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Midnight Rider on April 18, 2012, 06:10:27 PM
That's easy enforce the existing law.
When you see that pig fly, take a picture... ;)
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on April 18, 2012, 06:25:37 PM
WOW. NC requires 10 hrs of class and 50 rounds fired on the range at various targets.
WOW :nixweiss: Ohio requires 12 hrs. The amount of rounds shot to qualify depend on the instructor. My instructor required 150 rounds fired at targets from different distance's. Very informative class that was taught by a seasoned police officer. I guess I got lucky. :P
Post by: Midnight Rider on April 18, 2012, 06:50:16 PM
The argument about "well, if they killed the people with an axe, does that mean we should outlaw axes?" is really not a rational argument FOR gun ownership. There is one fundamental purpose for firearms, no matter what kind: To Kill Living Things. All other purposes are just layers added on. Yes, it is fun to shoot cans, bottles, watermelons, targets, etc...it is fun for some people to shoot in competitions. All those things do not supercede the fundamental purpose.
I am NOT pro gun control. I don't understand why somebody really needs a 50 mm rifle, but if that blows their skirt up, and they have a few thousand dollars to spend on it, they can own it. If a co-worker of mine in a large office goes nuts for whatever reason and decides he/she wants to off his boss and several other folks for whatever perceived reason(s), I'd a hell of a lot rather take my chances with them walking in with an axe in their hands than walking up to me and pulling a gun out of their pocket and ending my life in a fraction of a second. I would likely have an opportunity to dodge the axe, knife, pick axe, baseball bat, etc. If a person points a gun at me and pulls the trigger...I'm very likely to at least get injured. The fundamental purpose of all those other objects is not to kill living things, though they can do so in the right (wrong) situation.
So, all of those dogs won't hunt. The fact is that the majority of people in this country think it's our right to own guns, and I happen to be one of them. But, in supporting that, I am also very much aware that people that should not have guns are going to have them, because they can. That includes criminals. But, please do not support your position against gun control by making statements comparing guns to any other object. It ain't logical, and it has the opposite effect.
Post by: PASN YU on April 19, 2012, 07:01:15 AM
Post by: iski on April 19, 2012, 09:08:56 AM
Our society is no longer based on agronomics, and the majority of our population no longer live in rural areas. That is understood. But that alone should not limit the rights of us as citizens, yet it has & is used conveniently as an excuse by any (especially certain politicians) who choose to limit our rights for reasons they see fit.
If I choose to own a gun, or carry a gun, where I live it is fairly easy to do so. Certain folks are prohibited since they are felons or freaking crazy/nuts or too young - am ok with that. Certain areas - court rooms, etc. - guns are not allowed - ok with that for the most part. But when I am breaking the law by possessing a gun when I cross a certain state line or into a community that has decided to allow the tyrannical to over rule the constitution, I am not ok with that.
Gun & ammo sales continue to be very strong - one sector of our economy that is thriving.
Post by: darth davidson on April 19, 2012, 12:09:11 PM
If certain communities in the US determine that they will outlaw guns, in spite of our Second Amendment, they will do so & they have. If they determined to outlaw other rights given to us by God & protected by the limitations the US constitution has placed on government interference in those God given rights, then based on what they have done regarding the Second amendment & guns, they can do that as well. Certain US university campuses & Freedom of Speech restricted/forbidden comes to mind here. There are other examples. That all are unconstitutional does not prevent them from trying. Tyranny requires those willing to be subjected to tyrants, at the first anyway. Later on, when the tyrants are in full control, the populace is too weak to do much about it.
Our society is no longer based on agronomics, and the majority of our population no longer live in rural areas. That is understood. But that alone should not limit the rights of us as citizens, yet it has & is used conveniently as an excuse by any (especially certain politicians) who choose to limit our rights for reasons they see fit.
If I choose to own a gun, or carry a gun, where I live it is fairly easy to do so. Certain folks are prohibited since they are felons or freaking crazy/nuts or too young - am ok with that. Certain areas - court rooms, etc. - guns are not allowed - ok with that for the most part. But when I am breaking the law by possessing a gun when I cross a certain state line or into a community that has decided to allow the tyrannical to over rule the constitution, I am not ok with that.
Gun & ammo sales continue to be very strong - one sector of our economy that is thriving.
Agreed 100%.
Post by: charles05663 on April 19, 2012, 12:12:39 PM
On a side note, to get a concealed weapons permit in Georgia is ridiculously easy.
It is even easier in Vermont and we allow all out of state'ers to partake too. Just don't use it for self-defense or you will end up sharing a room with someone named Billy Bob for a very long time...
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: BigLew on April 19, 2012, 12:19:00 PM
It is even easier in Vermont and we allow all out of state'ers to partake too. Just don't use it for self-defense or you will end up sharing a room with someone named Billy Bob for a very long time...Yea funny how that works???? :2vrolijk_21:
:oops: :nixweiss:
BigLew
Post by: miker on April 19, 2012, 12:22:53 PM
I did land 1k of XM193 on stripper clips at around .44 per..around January
I need to get a nice .22 rimfire for something affordable to shoot..Any suggestions?
Post by: miker on April 19, 2012, 12:24:30 PM
It is even easier in Vermont and we allow all out of state'ers to partake too. Just don't use it for self-defense or you will end up sharing a room with someone named Billy Bob for a very long time...
:oops: :nixweiss:
Why can you carry and not use for self defense? Not quite sure why? You hafta bonk them on the head with it?
Post by: Midnight Rider on April 19, 2012, 12:44:48 PM
XM855 is over fiddy cent a round??!!! XM193 backorderd? Jimmeney!
I did land 1k of XM193 on stripper clips at around .44 per..around January
I need to get a nice .22 rimfire for something affordable to shoot..Any suggestions?
Pistol? Colt 1911 22LR is a fun one to shoot, if you like 1911 style handguns. Sig Mosquito for DA. I'm sure there are others, but I've shot both of these (own the Colt) and they are nice shooters. 500 rounds of bulk ammo for about 18 bucks.
Post by: charles05663 on April 19, 2012, 01:04:59 PM
Why can you carry and not use for self defense? Not quite sure why? You hafta bonk them on the head with it?
Funny you should say that. There was a recent case here where a guy threatened to kill a co-worker. The co-worker got a handgun to protect himself. This guy shows up at the co-workers house and the co-worker shoots the guy and kills him. After he emptied the clip, he hits the guy over the head with the butt of the gun. He got 15 years because he hit the guy over the head.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: VaEagle on April 19, 2012, 01:08:12 PM
Second Amendment gives us the right to carry and should not be so segmented from one jurisdiction to another. I agree with others who have said more training is needed before a permit is issued. It needs to be a combination of the mechanics of shooting and maintaining the weapon in addition to the legal aspects like police officers going through "shoot, don't shoot" scenarios. This way a person can learn what is considered a justified shooting and what would land them in jail.
Gun holders in the past learned gun safety from childhood with hunting and target shooting. Back then there wasn't such a fear of guns. As mentioned in some posts we are no longer a rural culture so many don't grow up around guns so they fear them and don't see a need for them since they only see guns as an offensive thing. They have a mistaken belief that the police will prevent harm to them.
One saying says "when seconds count the police will be there in minutes." In reality that does appear correct in most cases.
Creating "gun free zones" like schools and churches etc. will only advertise to the criminal where to find a collection of unarmed people that makes for easy pickings. In Florida the car jackings and robberies went up around airports when they allowed more state residents to carry guns. Reason being the criminal couldn't trust that a Florida resident wasn't packing a weapon but they knew a traveler would be unarmed and probably carrying lots of vacation money and electronics. rental cars used to have large bumper stickers advertising their company and that was another way for criminals to spot the easy prey.
Lawmakers play to the general public that thinks passing a law makes you safe. That is sadly not the truth. The Columbine shootings were an example. had the two suspects survived the day they would have faced over 300 years in jail just on the existing laws they broke. So would one more year in jail for carring a gun on school grounds have prevented that tragedy?
I think we need better upbringing to accept responsability for our actions and to respect the value of human life don't get into a shooting over road rage or because someone "dissed" you. maybe the violent video games kids play today has desensitised them to value of human life?
I like the quote from Benjamin Franklin: They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Post by: iski on April 19, 2012, 01:31:13 PM
I see the right to carry as multi-layered issue.
Second Amendment gives us the right to carry and should not be so segmented from one jurisdiction to another. I agree with others who have said more training is needed before a permit is issued. It needs to be a combination of the mechanics of shooting and maintaining the weapon in addition to the legal aspects like police officers going through "shoot, don't shoot" scenarios. This way a person can learn what is considered a justified shooting and what would land them in jail.
Gun holders in the past learned gun safety from childhood with hunting and target shooting. Back then there wasn't such a fear of guns. As mentioned in some posts we are no longer a rural culture so many don't grow up around guns so they fear them and don't see a need for them since they only see guns as an offensive thing. They have a mistaken belief that the police will prevent harm to them.
One saying says "when seconds count the police will be there in minutes." In reality that does appear correct in most cases.
Creating "gun free zones" like schools and churches etc. will only advertise to the criminal where to find a collection of unarmed people that makes for easy pickings. In Florida the car jackings and robberies went up around airports when they allowed more state residents to carry guns. Reason being the criminal couldn't trust that a Florida resident wasn't packing a weapon but they knew a traveler would be unarmed and probably carrying lots of vacation money and electronics. rental cars used to have large bumper stickers advertising their company and that was another way for criminals to spot the easy prey.
Lawmakers play to the general public that thinks passing a law makes you safe. That is sadly not the truth. The Columbine shootings were an example. had the two suspects survived the day they would have faced over 300 years in jail just on the existing laws they broke. So would one more year in jail for carring a gun on school grounds have prevented that tragedy?
I think we need better upbringing to accept responsability for our actions and to respect the value of human life don't get into a shooting over road rage or because someone "dissed" you. maybe the violent video games kids play today has desensitised them to value of human life?
I like the quote from Benjamin Franklin: They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Well said. Criminals who are smart enough (big disclaimer here) know where guns will be & where they will not be & use that to their advantage. The people that live in "Gun Free" cities - legislated as such - are easy targets, sadly.
If we require classes on who or where or when we can shoot - generally am ok with that - limited & to a point. But if the instruction is not clear, or the instructor is misinformed, or you cross a state line, or if the class does not listen, or if the listener is an abject idiot - it does no good. So I tend to go with personal responsibility as the over riding factor. If you use it, you are responsible. And SOCIETY is NOT responsible for our individual actions, IMHO.
If we continue to allow our freedoms to be stripped away, one by one, and do nothing to prevent it, then we deserve the eventual "safety" yoke that we will all be wearing in the place of the freedom we squandered.
Post by: willyB on April 19, 2012, 02:33:25 PM
I can only pray that no American will being killing another American in defense of the political beliefs this year.
Just CALM DOWN people!!!!!! If you don't like it VOTE! :soapbox:
Post by: VANAMAL on April 19, 2012, 03:48:03 PM
Post by: BigLew on April 19, 2012, 03:57:24 PM
Last week i had to get towed in on the sesg. I told the driver to hang on a minute while i pulled out a .38 a .40 glock couple boxes of ammo and two speed loaders. He was all super polite i geuss he though id plug him if he wasnt. Id planned on doing some target shootin. :orange: :bananarock:
Nice Van! :bananarock: :huepfenjump3: :2vrolijk_21:LOL
Post by: Eagle Eye on April 19, 2012, 08:57:09 PM
On a side note, to get a concealed weapons permit in Georgia is ridiculously easy. I recently moved here from Florida and changed residency so I needed to get a permit for Georgia. It consists of going to the probate court of your county, filling out a photocopied application and getting your fingerprints recorded at a local police department for a background check. In a couple of short weeks you get a laminated 3 x 4 piece of paper stating you are now legal to carry a concealed weapon. On the back it even states in bold black letters "GEORGIA CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT" if there was any doubt. That's right. No classes, no pictures, no proof of any firearm knowledge.
That's the best exercise of the 2nd amendment out there. Wanna bet if you have a record or any psychological reasons for not getting one issued, it will not be approved? I also believe, if we are to have a well armed public; it should also be a well trained public. Sworn Officers are required to train, it should be a stipulation of having a permit to carry. Heck, it should also be a stipulation to own one. Retraining at least once every three years, 50 rounds, with several hours of gun safety and maintenance. This would reduce significantly accidental discharge while cleaning. A very common cause of death in private residences.
It should be easy to get a CC if you have no record, and are of sound mind. The stuff some municipalities, like San Francisco do is appalling. Since citizens are not armed, only the cops and crooks are armed. A virtual city of sitting ducks.
Post by: dlaws01 on April 19, 2012, 09:29:39 PM
I need to get a nice .22 rimfire for something affordable to shoot..Any suggestions?
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Smith & Wesson Model 41 You will absolutely love it. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: dlaws01 on April 19, 2012, 09:48:30 PM
Creating "gun free zones" like schools and churches etc. will only advertise to the criminal where to find a collection of unarmed people that makes for easy pickings.
In Tennessee the only absolute "no carry allowed" is in Federal or State buildings, i.e. court houses, employment office, DMV, etc. Firearms are allowed on public school grounds as long as the firearm stays inside the vehicle and the vehicle is locked when unattended. This applies to Handgun Permit holders. The only other places that a permit holder cannot enter armed are those that display a state designed "firearms prohibited" sign and is displayed by the entrances.
Post by: Resbiker on April 20, 2012, 09:20:30 AM
I need to get a nice .22 rimfire for something affordable to shoot..Any suggestions?
Smith & Wesson Model 41 You will absolutely love it. :2vrolijk_21:
About $1,000 - It's the best....wife outscores me most of the time. Groups the size of a quarter at 50 feet. Sweet semi-auto.
Post by: VANAMAL on April 20, 2012, 10:04:35 AM
have the target model . great little gun fun and cheap to shot
Post by: porthole on April 20, 2012, 11:06:03 AM
XM855 is over fiddy cent a round??!!! XM193 backorderd? Jimmeney!
I did land 1k of XM193 on stripper clips at around .44 per..around January
I need to get a nice .22 rimfire for something affordable to shoot..Any suggestions?
Pistol - Ruger MK 2 or 3
Rifle S&W M&P 15-22
Post by: Pete7539 on April 21, 2012, 08:48:00 AM
Post by: porthole on May 02, 2012, 01:26:32 PM
When you see that pig fly, take a picture... ;)
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Post by: porthole on May 02, 2012, 01:38:45 PM
I like it. For a small pocket gun it is fairly easy to control and get right back on target for follow ups. Compared to my son's Kel-Tec compact 9, I'll take the S&W any day.
Even though it is equipped with a "built in" laser, I found the sights to be very accurate. Almost easier then using the laser.
As a side note, my son found an issue with the Kel. He had the grip extension on the mag and the downward force created by the small grip and the fingers wrapped around it, and the action of the slide was causing the mag to release. Not drop, just release enough to not chamber the next round.
In Jersey we can "own" hollow points, but can't carry them or use them (even in your own home) So, for the home defense purpose I will be using one of the defense rounds, basically a hollow point with a polymer ball seated in the nose.
#1 son told me his department testing has shown the smaller rounds with the poly tipped hollows are actually better then true hollow points, as they don't clog with heavy clothing.
Post by: Midnight Rider on May 03, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
Have about 150+ rounds through my new little S&W Bodyguard 380
I like it. For a small pocket gun it is fairly easy to control and get right back on target for follow ups. Compared to my son's Kel-Tec compact 9, I'll take the S&W any day.
Even though it is equipped with a "built in" laser, I found the sights to be very accurate. Almost easier then using the laser.
As a side note, my son found an issue with the Kel. He had the grip extension on the mag and the downward force created by the small grip and the fingers wrapped around it, and the action of the slide was causing the mag to release. Not drop, just release enough to not chamber the next round.
In Jersey we can "own" hollow points, but can't carry them or use them (even in your own home) So, for the home defense purpose I will be using one of the defense rounds, basically a hollow point with a polymer ball seated in the nose.
#1 son told me his department testing has shown the smaller rounds with the poly tipped hollows are actually better then true hollow points, as they don't clog with heavy clothing.
My research came to the same conclusion...
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on May 04, 2012, 02:55:16 PM
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/02382d83.jpg)
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on May 04, 2012, 03:01:04 PM
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/cf110b62.jpg)
Post by: Spiderman on May 04, 2012, 03:01:44 PM
Just got this yesterday. Kimber CDP ll Ultra 45. Ordered it Dec 4th. Found another one the end of Dec so since I didn't put any money down, I assumed I could turn it down when it arrived at the dealer....Wrong, now I own two. Not sure if I will keep this one or sell it.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/02382d83.jpg)
Love the tailpiece on that. Nice and protective
B B
Post by: MooseAmos on May 04, 2012, 03:42:09 PM
Moose
Post by: MooseAmos on May 04, 2012, 03:44:49 PM
http://www.ruger.com/products/markIII/index.html
have the target model . great little gun fun and cheap to shot
X2...Have the same weapon--it's AWESOME & incredibly accurate!
Post by: BigLew on May 04, 2012, 03:55:02 PM
BigLew
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on May 04, 2012, 09:00:15 PM
Just got this yesterday. Kimber CDP ll Ultra 45. Ordered it Dec 4th. Found another one the end of Dec so since I didn't put any money down, I assumed I could turn it down when it arrived at the dealer....Wrong, now I own two. Not sure if I will keep this one or sell it.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/02382d83.jpg)
Mine is just over 4 years old, over 3500 rounds though it. It was my Every Day Carry until I got a Les Bear Stinger last spring. Now I alternate, with the Kimber getting more warm weather duty as it is an 1 1/4 shorter barrel, the bear gets cooler weather duty.
I use Milt Sparks VMII in the waist band tuckable holsters for them.
The Ultra CDP is a great shooting gun, nice and light for carry.
Cary it condition 1, one in the barrel, cocked and locked at all times.
Post by: darth davidson on May 05, 2012, 07:54:11 AM
Mine is just over 4 years old, over 3500 rounds though it. It was my Every Day Carry until I got a Les Bear Stinger last spring. Now I alternate, with the Kimber getting more warm weather duty as it is an 1 1/4 shorter barrel, the bear gets cooler weather duty.
I use Milt Sparks VMII in the waist band tuckable holsters for them.
The Ultra CDP is a great shooting gun, nice and light for carry.
Cary it condition 1, one in the barrel, cocked and locked at all times.
I love my Kimber Ultra Covert II. Never leave home without it!!!
Post by: KennyC on May 05, 2012, 11:59:02 AM
Not in NYC, no way no how, unless you're a cop. Damn near impossible to get pistol permits anymore. :nixweiss:I guess I'd have to move!
Hoist! 8)
Post by: KennyC on May 05, 2012, 12:13:13 PM
Post by: porthole on May 10, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
Just got this yesterday. Kimber CDP ll Ultra 45. Ordered it Dec 4th. Found another one the end of Dec so since I didn't put any money down, I assumed I could turn it down when it arrived at the dealer....Wrong, now I own two. Not sure if I will keep this one or sell it.
Been waiting for an opportunity to see these Would like one, but pricey. Can't imagine having to buy 2. Thinking the 9 might be a bit more manageable.
Make up your mind yet with the extra?
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on May 10, 2012, 12:01:01 PM
Been waiting for an opportunity to see these Would like pone, but pricey. Can't imagine having to buy 2. Thinking the 9 might be a bit more manageable.
Make up your mind yet with the extra?
The lastest one I bought I just sent back to the Kimber Custom shop to have them look at it cause I can't get the slide lock out easily and can't get it back in at all :nixweiss: Everything is warranty work but it cost me $60 for shipping since UPS will only transport firearms over night air express. Yikes :'(
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on May 10, 2012, 08:37:24 PM
Been waiting for an opportunity to see these Would like one, but pricey. Can't imagine having to buy 2. Thinking the 9 might be a bit more manageable.The Ultra CDP is surprisingly manageable. I shoot 230 grain no trouble with it. My wife really likes it and is extremely accurate with it. They have been creeping up in price. But I think you get what you pay for. Right now it's the least expensive 1911 I own. The 1911 is my favorite gun.
Make up your mind yet with the extra?
Post by: vtfast on May 11, 2012, 12:51:39 PM
Post by: spydglide on May 11, 2012, 01:18:34 PM
Carry what?spare magazines. ;) har. spyder
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on May 14, 2012, 07:31:24 AM
Post by: KennyC on May 14, 2012, 08:18:13 AM
Gov prob gonna sign open carry n Oklahoma this week do not believe will go into effect until November 1Since Oklahoma honors Arkansas CCP, can a Arkansas resident open care in Oklahoma? Or can any one open carry? Do you still have to have a permit to conceal carry to open carry?? Thanks for any info on this.
Post by: darth davidson on May 14, 2012, 08:31:18 AM
Since Oklahoma honors Arkansas CCP, can a Arkansas resident open care in Oklahoma? Or can any one open carry? Do you still have to have a permit to conceal carry to open carry?? Thanks for any info on this.Here it is. You still need a permit
Gov. Mary Fallin told delegates Saturday at the Oklahoma Republican State Convention she will sign into law the bill that will allow those with concealed handgun permits to openly carry their weapons. The measure would take effect Nov. 1.
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-gov.-mary-fallin-says-shell-sign-open-carry-gun-measure/article/3675105#ixzz1uqYOjjqv
Post by: HogBreath on May 20, 2012, 12:37:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBP2xFsEoso
Post by: Pete7539 on May 20, 2012, 02:49:28 PM
Post by: HogBreath on May 20, 2012, 03:17:55 PM
Only on video. $350........... :rifle: :rifle:
Big Ed bought one. Said its the most fun hes ever had with his clothes on
Post by: Pete7539 on May 20, 2012, 03:23:03 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on May 20, 2012, 03:53:12 PM
So for anyone in the states or counties that impose that ban on guns manufactured after 9/94, the stock is not fixed. If it applies to anyone thinking of buying one I'd call and ask manufacturer about it. They do state that it comes with paperwork stating its legality, but the fact that they say it works on any AR with adjustable stock seems silly to me unless they're covering their end because their product could be deemed adjustable.
Post by: Aussie1 on May 23, 2012, 02:29:56 AM
You blokes live in a different world to me.
Post by: miker on May 23, 2012, 10:14:49 AM
5.56 ammo is too much dinero for me to go about dumping mags, for me anyways, woner if it'd work with a 22lr kit?
The best money I spent on my AR was a Timney trigger...
Post by: Pete7539 on May 23, 2012, 11:26:06 AM
Post by: HogBreath on May 23, 2012, 01:25:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F8Z5ooMZpY
Post by: Pete7539 on May 23, 2012, 10:21:23 PM
PLEASE NOTE:
Will NOT work with .22 AR's without extensive modification to the rifle. The SSAR-15 is NOT a mechanical device. It does not perform any automatic functions, and it does not increase a rifles rate of fire.
The SSAR-15 is a rifle stock, and the muscular application of force to create forward movement of the firearm defines the will of the shooter to discharge each individual round of ammunition. Each discharge requires a separate decision by the operator to move the firearm back to a firing condition.
With the SSAR-15 installed – the firearm is still dependent on an actively engaged operator at all times; if the operator ceases to apply sufficient effort to move the firearm back to a firing condition; the firearm will immediately cease operating. The SSAR-15 is a non-mechanical device and will work as advertised with any rifle that meets the use specifications and is set up correctly, therefore returns on this item are subject to a restocking fee and our actual shipping cost.
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Post by: Pete7539 on May 23, 2012, 10:28:47 PM
Good for me though I already have all that crap, bad that if I order one I will have less ammo to buy and blow through it all that much quicker ::)
Post by: miker on May 24, 2012, 08:29:16 AM
Post by: Mongo on May 28, 2012, 07:50:05 AM
Mongo
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on May 28, 2012, 11:21:26 AM
Post by: LRSSE on May 28, 2012, 05:17:13 PM
THANKS
Post by: denis on May 29, 2012, 02:06:58 AM
Post by: cvobiker on May 29, 2012, 08:12:18 AM
leave it at home some states are not carry states they will also tow the bike with a weapon in it
And what states are those.....". As far as I'm concerned, if a state bans my weapon, that state does don't deserve a visit from me and nor a penny out of my pocket for a single sales tax.... :(
Post by: codten on May 29, 2012, 08:44:50 AM
I use this website when I travel. It has a very good can / cant when it comes to these types of questions. BEWARE the law is always changing.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
Post by: mrmagloo on May 29, 2012, 03:38:06 PM
Yes I carry. Question is, I am planning to travel through multiple states, travel up to Niagara Falls NY and cross into Canada. With Canada not allowing Pistols to be transported there, does anybody know of a firearms dealer that will let me leave my pistol with them and have them ship it to a firearms deal in my hometown?With the obvious exception of Canada, even those states that do not honor your CCW permit do allow container transport. To be honored in every state without exception, you should have a cheap locked box like a NanoVault. Then just make sure the gun is unloaded, the box locked, and you should be fine with it locked in your Tourpak. Before you hit Canada, locate a convenient FFL and have him Fedex the locked box to another convenient state side FFL near where you re-enter the US and you should be fine.
THANKS
As the others suggested, Handgunlaw.us is a great resource for reviewing the rules of every state along your route, to confirm the legalities.
Read it closely to avoid getting tripped up!
PS - I agree about skipping the states that do not honor, like the Socialist Republic of Illinois, in particular Chicago.
Post by: DOOFUS on June 03, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
I am a licensed firewarm dealer(FFL) and also have a permit in VA for concealed carry.
I use this website when I travel. It has a very good can / cant when it comes to these types of questions. BEWARE the law is always changing.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
Post by: Pete7539 on June 25, 2012, 03:04:51 PM
I just got in my KSG!!!!!!!!! :jack: :orange: :orange: :orange: :orange:
So how long did you wait for that? I just placed a direct order through them and was told 3-6 month wait list. It's the only way I'll get it at a decent price. How close were you to MSRP?
Post by: darth davidson on June 25, 2012, 03:25:56 PM
So how long did you wait for that? I just placed a direct order through them and was told 3-6 month wait list. It's the only way I'll get it at a decent price. How close were you to MSRP?
I bought it thru a auction site , paid about 40% over MSRP. I already sold it thru an auction site with enough profit to but 2.5 KSGs !!! Place an order in March for a new one at retail price, gets here next week. Net earning 1.5 KSG MSRP equivalent.
Post by: Pete7539 on June 25, 2012, 06:52:18 PM
Post by: mrmagloo on June 26, 2012, 10:46:32 AM
That said, there have been alot of discussions about naggin little problems and breakage. Even if I had secured one, it would have gone straight to Gunbroker.
Good job on your sale.
Post by: spydglide on June 26, 2012, 10:59:40 AM
I had a spot 2nd in line for $594.99 that I placed a year and a half ago. However, last January the place OMB Express went belly up. I knew I should have placed orders at multiple places!Quite a few problems that continue to be noted...the worst of which is the failure to feed even with the modified ramps. Doesn't help that you've got add'l. rounds if they won't load properly EVERY time in a defensive weapon. And the plastic guard... :confused5:...why does anyone build a weapon out of plastic? spyder
That said, there have been alot of discussions about naggin little problems and breakage. Even if I had secured one, it would have gone straight to Gunbroker.
Good job on your sale.
Post by: KennyC on June 26, 2012, 11:10:25 AM
Post by: mrmagloo on June 26, 2012, 11:31:46 AM
Quite a few problems that continue to be noted...the worst of which is the failure to feed even with the modified ramps. Doesn't help that you've got add'l. rounds if they won't load properly EVERY time in a defensive weapon. And the plastic guard... :confused5:...why does anyone build a weapon out of plastic? spyder
Exactly - Imho, I wouldn't touch one of those things for another year or so to keep. It's going to take them some time to work out the bugs. By then, there will be something else. In the meantime my Mossberg 500 Mariner with the ATI tactical stock and front rail will tide me over. Might even consider a Saiga 12 as well.
Post by: Pete7539 on June 26, 2012, 12:15:55 PM
Post by: KennyC on June 27, 2012, 06:23:40 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on June 28, 2012, 08:56:58 AM
Open carry goes into effect next door in Oklahoma Nov 1st I believe!! What you gun lovers like me think about that? I have mixed emotions on that! Most of the time I think I'll keep mine hid!I keep mine hid, I like the element of surprise.
Post by: Porschestan on June 28, 2012, 10:24:33 AM
Thank you very much...
Post by: KennyC on June 28, 2012, 03:49:29 PM
While I own some weapons for home defense and sport, I am very curious about any true stories of if anyone here has had to use their weapon that they "carry" on their bike or other situations. I know about "peace of mind" very well, but am truly interested in actual experiences.That's a good question I'd be interested in too. Never had to use mine yet but a time or two I was sure glad I had it in my pocket! Having someone of the rough nature scoping you out or someone asking you for money on the rough side of town always puts a little edge on the possibility's??
Thank you very much...
Post by: mrmagloo on June 28, 2012, 05:22:40 PM
Post by: grayghost731 on June 28, 2012, 06:08:14 PM
I keep mine hid, I like the element of surprise.
Yeah me to :2vrolijk_21: Most people where I live carry GUNS legal or not :confused5: Mostly concealed
Your best defense, Is to be aware of your surroundings ;) Dont get caught slippen(street slang,For not paying attention)I go to the range 4 or 5 times a month,But as most of you know if someone has the drop on you,Dont be reaching for your gun. Timing is everything ,dont let adreniline get you killed,Use your mind,think and react to the situation. What Im saying is #1 if there trying to ROB a biker,there comin at you guns drawn and in a hurry! When your getting gas or leaving a bar or anywhere for that matter ,Keep your head on a swivel and know who's around you ;) GOOD LUCK
Post by: darth davidson on June 29, 2012, 01:06:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA-BHnfmnis&feature=player_embedded
Post by: miker on June 29, 2012, 01:19:50 PM
Post by: MooseAmos on June 30, 2012, 09:34:08 PM
Today I played around with a Beretta A400, semi auto shotgun. OMG , you could carry it if you wear a trench coat, but that thing is chambered 3.5 and shoots 6 shells in less than 3 seconds. Great weapon. Awesome review here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA-BHnfmnis&feature=player_embedded
Have owned various versions of the SPAS-12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchi_SPAS-12) for over 20years & if you're interested in a GREAT combat shotgun for home defense I highly recommend--it's incredible reliable & practically indestructible... :2vrolijk_21:
Cheers,
Moose
Post by: Porschestan on July 01, 2012, 10:55:52 AM
Great Advise!
Yeah me to :2vrolijk_21: Most people where I live carry GUNS legal or not :confused5: Mostly concealed
Your best defense, Is to be aware of your surroundings ;) Dont get caught slippen(street slang,For not paying attention)I go to the range 4 or 5 times a month,But as most of you know if someone has the drop on you,Dont be reaching for your gun. Timing is everything ,dont let adreniline get you killed,Use your mind,think and react to the situation. What Im saying is #1 if there trying to ROB a biker,there comin at you guns drawn and in a hurry! When your getting gas or leaving a bar or anywhere for that matter ,Keep your head on a swivel and know who's around you ;) GOOD LUCK
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on July 01, 2012, 07:45:57 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on July 01, 2012, 07:47:26 PM
Post by: spydglide on July 01, 2012, 07:56:43 PM
This is my newest 1911, an Ed Brown Executive Elite Centennial edition. 7 months to get after I ordered it. Blued with Ivory grips, extended magwell, flush barrel crown, recessed slide lock pin, 10-8 rear sight, novak gold bead front, serrated rear of slide to match sight serration. 3.5 pound trigger. Got the pro-tech knife to match.If it's gonna be a 'carry' weapon, and not a safe-queen, let us know how it shoots. Looks great. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
Post by: KennyC on July 01, 2012, 09:01:47 PM
Post by: miker on July 02, 2012, 07:37:38 AM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on July 02, 2012, 08:29:13 PM
If it's gonna be a 'carry' weapon, and not a safe-queen, let us know how it shoots. Looks great. :2vrolijk_21: spyderIts not a safe queen, put 150 rounds though it the day I got it. Put another 150 though it the following week end. Shoots like a dream, the slide is smooth as silk, the trigger is great. A lot like my Ed Brown Special Forces. The gun is far more accurate than I am. It has not had one hick-up.
As for Carry, it will be an occasional Carry, I have a Milt Sparks VMII for it.
My winter carry is usually my Les Baer Stinger, a Commander size.
Summer is usually my Kimber Ultra CDP, a 3" barrel .
Post by: KennyC on July 09, 2012, 08:20:46 PM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on July 09, 2012, 08:34:51 PM
This is my newest 1911, an Ed Brown Executive Elite Centennial edition. 7 months to get after I ordered it. Blued with Ivory grips, extended magwell, flush barrel crown, recessed slide lock pin, 10-8 rear sight, novak gold bead front, serrated rear of slide to match sight serration. 3.5 pound trigger. Got the pro-tech knife to match.
That is one SWEET pistol :2vrolijk_21: I bet you're proud of that bad boy :huepfenjump3:
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on July 09, 2012, 08:44:44 PM
I am, it's my favorite. Its a joy to shoot.
That is one SWEET pistol :2vrolijk_21: I bet you're proud of that bad boy :huepfenjump3:
Post by: porthole on August 04, 2012, 09:32:38 AM
Today I played around with a Beretta A400, semi auto shotgun. OMG , you could carry it if you wear a trench coat, but that thing is chambered 3.5 and shoots 6 shells in less than 3 seconds. Great weapon. Awesome review here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA-BHnfmnis&feature=player_embedded
Don, did you get to shoot it? If so, did you try a weak grip to see how it cycled?
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on August 04, 2012, 09:43:52 AM
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/02382d83.jpg)
Post by: porthole on August 04, 2012, 10:01:42 AM
Still nice, still pricey and the S&W imported versions look very "Americanized". The PPS in 9 is on my next order list.
http://www.google.com/search?q=walther+pps&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=PK5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vKLeTtX-Hefj0QGU4pjSBw&ved=0CFoQsAQ&biw=1680&bih=867
Forgot I posted this 8 months ago. Finally got the Walther PPS couple months ago. This is a nice pistol
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=60492&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=44304&isFirearm=Y (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=60492&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=44304&isFirearm=Y)
Post by: porthole on August 04, 2012, 10:03:01 AM
Post by: porthole on August 04, 2012, 10:55:26 AM
We have a guy in Jersey making legal, 15 round AR mags, $20.
They are 20 round boxes permanently modified. You can't take them apart for cleaning. Really not that big a deal, just compress the follower and load it up with Brakleen etc
And I figured out how to permanently modify a S&W M&P 15-22 mag into a 15 round limit. :2vrolijk_21:
I recently got a non New Jersey compliant AR.
AR's are tough to come by here, especially Jersey legal versions. Jersey has the stupid evil features statue. Most of the dealers in the area tell you a 2 or more month wait.
One of our dealers out in the backwoods has given up getting stripped down or fake AR's (bushmaster's version) and gets whatever he can. Then sends them to a gunsmith to make Jersey legal.
I walked in there few weeks ago with a list of 6 AR model part numbers I was interested in.
Turns out #2 on the list was sitting in the rack, already modified and waiting for a sale. The original purchaser ordered it, waited 8 weeks, had it modified - and then didn't pass the NICS check.
Yeah!
The top AR is one of the evil ones, M&P 15, "detachable box magazine" with - pistol grip, flash suppressor, adjustable butt stock, +15 magazine (30).
The armorer replaces the suppressor with a comp and pins it. Pins the butt stock in the position you want, permanently alters (meaning the floor plate is pinned) the P-Mag 30.
Really opens the realm of possibilities for us.
Post by: Pete7539 on August 04, 2012, 04:46:19 PM
Is that a reflex sight on there?
I think it is without the light filter right? If so, did you mount it to the flattop adapter or did it come with it?
A friend gave me one and he had it mounted to a carry handle adapter + he had the flattop adapter with it. I took it off the carry handle and there are two roll pins that seem to really lock in place the sight to the mount. On the flattop adapter there are holes for these along with the base of the reflex. I don't know if I should tap these out and tap into flattop adapter or not. Could you check yours to see if they're installed?
Post by: Pete7539 on August 04, 2012, 05:13:08 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on August 04, 2012, 05:13:54 PM
Post by: porthole on August 04, 2012, 10:09:38 PM
Trijicon Reflex.
BTW, this is the 15 round Jersey compliant mag. The mag is cut down in length and the floor is riveted in, this makes it "permanent".
Post by: porthole on August 04, 2012, 10:12:01 PM
That compensator looks like an A2 suppressor, maybe just in the pic? Can't see top
The original piece was an A2 suppressor. This is a replacement "legal" comp
This is the top, 3 slots. Interesting how the flash lit up the powder residue in the grooves.
Post by: porthole on August 04, 2012, 10:13:14 PM
No gas slots on the bottom.
Post by: porthole on August 04, 2012, 10:16:41 PM
Post by: porthole on August 04, 2012, 10:17:13 PM
Post by: porthole on August 04, 2012, 10:17:41 PM
Post by: porthole on August 04, 2012, 10:19:51 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on August 04, 2012, 10:45:37 PM
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on August 05, 2012, 08:57:56 AM
Open carry goes into effect next door in Oklahoma Nov 1st I believe!! What you gun lovers like me think about that? I have mixed emotions on that! Most of the time I think I'll keep mine hid!
I live in Oklahoma and will prob keep my hidden most of the time. Surprise is ususally and advantage. The open carry for me made me feel safer as far as over zealous LEO acting ignorant. Concealed here means you cannot even allow an outline of the weapon, or any part show at any time or it is not concealed. According to the judges that I ride bikes with. LEO is important but some use borderline stuff to ..............................well you guys know. Sorta like well one of your tag lights was out do you mind if I search your car. Yep does happen.
I have (just like most of you guys) nothing to hide but do not want to be picked on just for the heck of it.
Post by: KennyC on August 05, 2012, 11:37:55 AM
I live in Oklahoma and will prob keep my hidden most of the time. Surprise is ususally and advantage. The open carry for me made me feel safer as far as over zealous LEO acting ignorant. Concealed here means you cannot even allow an outline of the weapon, or any part show at any time or it is not concealed. According to the judges that I ride bikes with. LEO is important but some use borderline stuff to ..............................well you guys know. Sorta like well one of your tag lights was out do you mind if I search your car. Yep does happen.My wife cuts a guys hair that's an ex-cop. He's actually the one that convinced me to get my conceal carry permit. He said with that any experience with law enforcement in a traffic stop would be more pleasant. Background checks been done etc... If your going to keep a gun handy he said be legal!
I have (just like most of you guys) nothing to hide but do not want to be picked on just for the heck of it.
Post by: spydglide on August 05, 2012, 11:50:22 AM
My wife cuts a guys hair that's an ex-cop. He's actually the one that convinced me to get my conceal carry permit. He said with that any experience with law enforcement in a traffic stop would be more pleasant. Background checks been done etc... If your going to keep a gun handy he said be legal!Well, that's surely 'logical'..........now, if only logic will prevail, at least most of the time. spyder
Post by: KennyC on August 05, 2012, 12:26:40 PM
Well, that's surely 'logical'..........now, if only logic will prevail, at least most of the time. spyderLogic is a key word there Spydglide, along with common sense? I know a lot of good people that carry a gun in their vehicle without a permit! Their constitutional right, right? Wrong!! It is, but it's not? I was told by this ex LEO that there's a bunch of police out there and some young LEO's that don't want you carry a gun for any reason! Some, not all! But he stated that if the wrong officer pulls you over ( one like you spoke of or one that's trying to build a reputation as a hard $ss) and your carrying without that permit, he can if he likes run you right thru the ringer! Hope I never have to use any of my weapons and home or away, but I'm glad I have permission to do so, under even limited guidelines!!
Post by: SneakyPete on August 23, 2012, 08:48:32 PM
Post by: VaEagle on August 24, 2012, 01:25:11 AM
Anybody buy the new S&W M&P Shield in 9mm? Trying to find one and none of my local shops can get one.Saw a couple listed at www.gunbroker.com
Just contact the listing store/person to see if they still have one then arrange payment. They will be able to ship one to your local FFL dealer. I know Superior Pawn will charge $35 to handle the paperwork and do a backround check to comply with Feds. I think Bob's Gunshop in Norfolk has a similar program.
Post by: cvobiker on August 24, 2012, 08:01:30 AM
Anybody buy the new S&W M&P Shield in 9mm? Trying to find one and none of my local shops can get one.
My wife got one in .40 Cal flavor, she wanted a 9 mm, but none of the gun shops could find one. I'm not sure why the 9mm version is so hard to get but it seems to be the case :nixweiss:
Post by: KennyC on August 24, 2012, 08:07:01 AM
My wife got one in .40 Cal flavor, she wanted a 9 mm, but none of the gun shops could find one. I'm not sure why the 9mm version is so hard to get but it seems to be the case :nixweiss:I'd rather have the .40 any day!! Except for plinking that is! ;D
Post by: darth davidson on August 24, 2012, 10:34:43 AM
Benelli M4
LWRC PSD-Pistol 5.56 NATO
Post by: SneakyPete on August 24, 2012, 12:05:19 PM
I'd rather have the .40 any day!! Except for plinking that is! ;D
Ahh, the endless 9mm vs .40 cal debate! Shot placement, shot placement :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: SneakyPete on August 24, 2012, 12:06:40 PM
Saw a couple listed at www.gunbroker.com
Just contact the listing store/person to see if they still have one then arrange payment. They will be able to ship one to your local FFL dealer. I know Superior Pawn will charge $35 to handle the paperwork and do a backround check to comply with Feds. I think Bob's Gunshop in Norfolk has a similar program.
Yes, I've seen them, but you pay well over retail plus transfer fee. Don't need one that bad.
Post by: spydglide on August 24, 2012, 03:02:14 PM
Yes, I've seen them, but you pay well over retail plus transfer fee. Don't need one that bad.Not always, Pete. I've purchased pistols on GunBroker for less than retail and even with the $35 transfer fee and postage, the sales tax savings still made it a better deal than local. Just have to watch & shop hard. ;) har. spyder
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 24, 2012, 04:22:55 PM
Not always, Pete. I've purchased pistols on GunBroker for less than retail and even with the $35 transfer fee and postage, the sales tax savings still made it a better deal than local. Just have to watch & shop hard. ;) har. spyder
Me too...I saved about $150 on my Sig 1911 over what I would have paid locally, even with the CC fees.
Post by: SneakyPete on August 24, 2012, 05:20:32 PM
Post by: Bowman1836 on August 24, 2012, 05:30:18 PM
Post by: spydglide on August 24, 2012, 07:12:34 PM
I carry a bond arms. 45 long colt or 3 inch 410 shot. Double barrel. Kicks like a mule but gets attention. Easy to conceal carryBetter than no gun at all. A worthy BUG, but if you double-tap with that one, you're done. spyder
Post by: darth davidson on August 24, 2012, 07:19:38 PM
I carry a bond arms. 45 long colt or 3 inch 410 shot. Double barrel. Kicks like a mule but gets attention. Easy to conceal carry
I have a snake slayer. Love that thing. You're right kicks like a mad mule!
Post by: cvobiker on September 03, 2012, 11:32:04 AM
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/11/06/am15-full-auto-22lr-m16-upper-receiver-with-220-round-drum/
Post by: Pete7539 on October 02, 2012, 12:55:06 PM
Post by: darth davidson on October 02, 2012, 02:20:47 PM
Finally got it ;DIt was worth the wait ... I guarantee it !!!!
Post by: skippy on October 02, 2012, 03:54:02 PM
Post by: darth davidson on October 02, 2012, 04:12:14 PM
Trying to find one myself let us know how it handles.....
I've had it for a few months , and is a beautiful think, no malfunctions just shooting away!
Post by: cvobiker on October 02, 2012, 10:44:54 PM
A REAL man's rifle
Put aside your girly-man .458 Win Mag or your wimpy .50 cal and watch guys shoot a real gun, the largest center-fire rifle ever made, the .950 JDJ by SSK Industries. Only three were ever made. This was the lightest, the carbine version, weighing in at 50 lbs. It shoots a .95 caliber, 2,400-grain bullet at 2,100 fps using 240 grains of powder, which generates 25,400 ft/lbs of muzzle energy and 277 ft/lbs of recoil energy. That's about the same as shooting 10 30-06s at the same time! Each round costs $40.
http://www.staged.com/video?v=q0eb
Post by: krypto2011 on October 03, 2012, 08:04:12 PM
http://cyrilhuzeblog.com/2011/11/10/saddlebag-organizer-for-your-glock-pistolclip/
Post by: D-N-D on October 04, 2012, 04:54:55 PM
Post by: VaEagle on October 05, 2012, 01:24:08 AM
Glock 27 sub compact .40 cal with a newly added lasermax guide rod laser sight. Just picked up this for my top shelf in my saddle bag, link belowJust my .02 but I would reconsider that method of carry. I know it's reasonably priced but I would be concerned for several reasons.
http://cyrilhuzeblog.com/2011/11/10/saddlebag-organizer-for-your-glock-pistolclip/
First in an emergency you would be slow to draw your weapon. Then in removing or storing your weapon you would be showing the weapon to anyone in view. Also with this system you are depending on the H-D saddlebag pins and lock to keep the weapon on the bike.
For self defense you should keep the weapon on yourself so you can maintain control of the weapon and have access when needed.
For just weapon transport like from a range and back home you might want to consider a system like this to provide vault like security for your weapon and it also secures your saddlebags to the bike. The downside of this system is it uses some saddlebag space and is expensive.
http://www.consolevault.com/harley-davidson-bagger-vault.html
Post by: ultrarider123 on October 05, 2012, 09:13:52 AM
Post by: mrmagloo on October 05, 2012, 12:13:30 PM
Finally got it ;D
OMB went out of business and lost my pre-order. Bummed...
Post by: ftmyerscobra on October 07, 2012, 01:02:34 PM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on October 07, 2012, 03:02:49 PM
Kimber .45 ACP Ultra Carry II............dont leave home without it! have a new sneaky pete holster l
That's my gun of choice.., I happen to own 2 of them :2vrolijk_21:
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/8C7DCBD8-BD2B-48BA-A2AF-E71D60BCF98F-21680-00000602113BC3B7.jpg)
Post by: darth davidson on October 07, 2012, 03:09:47 PM
That's my gun of choice.., I happen to own 2 of them :2vrolijk_21:
X2. I own the Kimber Ultra covert II .45 ACP. My CC of choice.
Post by: Crusty on October 16, 2012, 06:45:23 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/FN5701.jpg/800px-FN5701.jpg)
http://www.impactguns.com/fn-five-seven-usg-3-20rd-mags-3868929120-818513002509.aspx
Post by: cvobiker on October 16, 2012, 08:02:12 AM
Tried search and didn't get any hits. Anyone own an FN Five Seven? Hadn't heard of them until I heard someone talking about them... looks pretty bad ass! 5.7×28mm (.224), 20 round mag (or an extended 30), 1800fps, low recoil, effective to 100m... seems like a pretty sweet package (though pretty spendy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/FN5701.jpg/800px-FN5701.jpg)
http://www.impactguns.com/fn-five-seven-usg-3-20rd-mags-3868929120-818513002509.aspx
Good luck getting one... I have a gun broker friend in Rocklin that's been trying for a year...However, if you want to pay an inflated price you can get them.... This thing is suppose to be bulls eye accurate upto 100 yards... :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: miker on October 16, 2012, 08:03:52 AM
Post by: Crusty on October 16, 2012, 08:34:26 AM
A friend just picked one up, he says the most accurate pistol he has owned...spendy piece and spendier ammo... :drink:
I saw prices around .45 a round (for 2000 rounds), but now that I look again, most places are backordered until Jan. :nixweiss:
Post by: miker on October 16, 2012, 09:16:46 AM
Post by: darth davidson on October 16, 2012, 11:00:25 AM
Tried search and didn't get any hits. Anyone own an FN Five Seven? Hadn't heard of them until I heard someone talking about them... looks pretty bad ass! 5.7×28mm (.224), 20 round mag (or an extended 30), 1800fps, low recoil, effective to 100m... seems like a pretty sweet package (though pretty spendy).
NICE looking weapon. I'm gonna start looking for one!!!
Post by: miker on October 16, 2012, 11:02:35 AM
Post by: Crusty on October 16, 2012, 11:21:12 AM
1100 beans down here in wpb... :o
The definitely aren't cheap... but tehy do have a lot of positives. Found this on the Five SeveN forum:
Quote
To expand on the advantages of the Five-seveN platform itself, here is a comparison between another polymer handgun (the .45 ACP Glock 21) and Five-seveN:
-- Capacity. The Five-seveN has a flush-fit magazine capacity of 20 rounds, while the G21 has a flush-fit capacity of 13 rounds; so the Five-seveN carries about 55% more ammunition in a standard magazine. If a larger magazine capacity is desired, 30-round Five-seveN magazines are also available and only add about 1.5 inches to the height of the standard magazine.
-- Weight. The Five-seveN weighs 1.6 lb when loaded with 20 rounds, while the Glock 21 weighs 2.4 lb when loaded with 13 rounds; so when both guns are loaded, the Five-seveN is about 33% lighter than the G21. Meanwhile, a spare Five-seveN magazine (loaded) weighs about 0.3 lb, while a spare G21 magazine (loaded) weighs about 0.75 lb; so each spare (loaded) Five-seveN magazine is about 60% lighter than its G21 counterpart.
-- Trajectory. The 5.7x28mm fired from the Five-seveN pistol drops about 5 inches (more or less, depending on load) at 100 yards, while a 230 grain .45 ACP at 850 ft/s drops about 25 inches at the same distance; and there is a significant difference in drop even at 50 yards.
-- Penetration. The 5.7x28mm fired from the Five-seveN (with proper ammunition) will penetrate virtually any type of body armor in common use, while the .45 ACP will not penetrate even the weakest body armor types. [See some of the recent shootings involving body armor, such as the Binghamton shooting rampage and the Tyler, Texas courthouse shootout. In the former, a man wearing body armor murdered 13 people before killing himself. In the latter, a man wearing body armor opened fire outside a courthouse, killing and wounding several people; the attacker was shot in the chest and back repeatedly by Mark Wilson with his .45 ACP CCW pistol, but the rounds had no effect on the attacker's body armor and Wilson was killed as a result.]
-- Controllability. The 5.7x28mm has about 30% less recoil than the 9mm, and the difference widens when you compare it to the .45 ACP.
So when you look at the overall picture, the Five-seveN platform itself offers a number of advantages that far outweigh a couple tenths of an inch difference in bullet diameter.
Post by: miker on October 16, 2012, 11:24:20 AM
Post by: darth davidson on October 16, 2012, 11:57:53 AM
1100 beans down here in wpb... :o
Found one at http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/60445 , $1,004
Post by: naitram on October 16, 2012, 03:51:56 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on October 16, 2012, 04:35:29 PM
Tried search and didn't get any hits. Anyone own an FN Five Seven? Hadn't heard of them until I heard someone talking about them... looks pretty bad ass! 5.7×28mm (.224), 20 round mag (or an extended 30), 1800fps, low recoil, effective to 100m... seems like a pretty sweet package (though pretty spendy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/FN5701.jpg/800px-FN5701.jpg)
http://www.impactguns.com/fn-five-seven-usg-3-20rd-mags-3868929120-818513002509.aspx
Picked one up five years ago for $875 with 200 rounds of ammo. FN was running a promo at the time. Thing runs great, no recoil and a blast to shoot. Very loud. Have some pretty nasty rounds for it too 2500 fps.
Post by: darth davidson on October 16, 2012, 04:38:09 PM
Picked one up five years ago for $875 with 200 rounds of ammo. FN was running a promo at the time. Thing runs great, no recoil and a blast to shoot. Very loud. Have some pretty nasty rounds for it too 2500 fps.
NICE!! I want one! Let see what happened at the debate tonight, might give me a sense of urgency :nervous:
Post by: porthole on October 16, 2012, 05:25:32 PM
co-worker has one. but has found it hard to find ammo
Hard to find indoor ranges around here that will allow it.
Post by: Crusty on October 17, 2012, 01:13:42 AM
Hard to find indoor ranges around here that will allow it.
I did see on the FiveSeveN forum they had a thread for ranges that allow them, so I figured it was an issue.
Good thing there are plenty of wide-open spaces here in Colorado!
Post by: cvobiker on October 17, 2012, 07:56:57 AM
Picked one up five years ago for $875 with 200 rounds of ammo. FN was running a promo at the time. Thing runs great, no recoil and a blast to shoot. Very loud. Have some pretty nasty rounds for it too 2500 fps.
Yup, wished I would have bagged one then, Now they're going for twice that :'(
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 19, 2012, 09:09:09 AM
Tried search and didn't get any hits. Anyone own an FN Five Seven? Hadn't heard of them until I heard someone talking about them... looks pretty bad ass! 5.7×28mm (.224), 20 round mag (or an extended 30), 1800fps, low recoil, effective to 100m... seems like a pretty sweet package (though pretty spendy).Yep I own one and just love it. Got mine before they became better known due to the Fort Bragg shooting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/FN5701.jpg/800px-FN5701.jpg)
http://www.impactguns.com/fn-five-seven-usg-3-20rd-mags-3868929120-818513002509.aspx
Not a good choice for carry, far to much penetration, and distance on the rounds. Armor piercing rounds are made for it, but only available to military and LEO.
Very fun to shoot, has the recoil of a 22 or so. Very fast round and very accurate. I have yet to have a single hick up with mine, 2K plus rounds.
My choice for Carry is an Kimber Ultra CDP in summer and a Les Baer Stinger in the winter, both 45 ACP
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 19, 2012, 09:10:41 AM
Hard to find indoor ranges around here that will allow it.I have yet to have a range tell me I cant shoot it. They have told me I cant shoot the round in the rifle on the range but not the pistol.
The gun store I bought it at, has an indoor range I shoot it at.
Got mine for 750. They (FNH) were doing a 200 dollar rebate for Military and LEO including retired when I bought it.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 19, 2012, 09:13:07 AM
I saw prices around .45 a round (for 2000 rounds), but now that I look again, most places are backordered until Jan. :nixweiss:
Wow, the round has gone up. Glad I bought bulk when I bought ammo two years ago. I still have 1500 rounds. It cost me 26.5 cents a round when I bought.
Post by: KennyC on October 19, 2012, 12:52:20 PM
Post by: miker on October 19, 2012, 01:22:49 PM
Post by: justplainjim on October 19, 2012, 01:51:51 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on October 19, 2012, 04:52:43 PM
Interested in the Glock 36 for conceal carry. Single stack .45cal. 6+1. I love my G22 .40, but pretty bulky in the summer. During the summer I find myself carrying my Kel-Tec .380 in the front pocket a lot, but often worry if that's enough outside a very close up encounter? Any thoughts on this??
With the right ammo, a .380 can be quite effective. I've got a Sig P238 and carry Hornady Critical Defense in it. Decent penetration and consistant mushrooming, from the reviews I read. I wouldn't want to get hit with a round anywhere on the torso or head. Sig has the P938 (?)...same basic gun but in 9mm. Just a little thicker, but not much. I've put 500+ rounds through the P238 without a single problem, and have even mixed ammo just to see if it would jam.
No, it's not a .45...but you can't carry a .45 in the front pocket of your jeans either...I use a nice little rough side out front (right) pocket holster.
Post by: VaEagle on October 19, 2012, 10:37:30 PM
Interested in the Glock 36 for conceal carry. Single stack .45cal. 6+1. I love my G22 .40, but pretty bulky in the summer. During the summer I find myself carrying my Kel-Tec .380 in the front pocket a lot, but often worry if that's enough outside a very close up encounter? Any thoughts on this??
I still stand by two posts I made back in 2007 in this thread, Glock 36 :
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=16970.60
Post by: KennyC on October 20, 2012, 07:44:50 AM
I still stand by two posts I made back in 2007 in this thread, Glock 36 :Thanks for the feed back. I was pretty much sold on the idea of the G36 so thanks VaEagle and the others for your thoughts! I have a Glock .40 and a 9mm both full size. Love em! Shoot great and easy to clean! But not real crazy about the feel of the compact models. The G36 will be my next carry gun!
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=16970.60
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 20, 2012, 09:27:48 AM
With the right ammo, a .380 can be quite effective. I've got a Sig P238 and carry Hornady Critical Defense in it. Decent penetration and consistant mushrooming, from the reviews I read.
When my wife wanted an LCP because all her girl friends had one, or a body guard 380 I was against them because they are not fun to shoot, and a few other reasons. I had her put 50 rounds down range with the LCP at 25 she wanted no more, and said it hurt to shoot. Then I borrowed a friends Sig P238, she put 50 down range with it, and was ready to shoot it more.
She then decided she wanted the Sig, which she got.
My reasoning is, a carry gun is no good if you are not comfortable and accurate with it. I feel you need to shoot what you carry a couple times a month or more.
That is the same round she uses for carry. A very good round for a 380
Post by: Blue Bart on October 20, 2012, 10:23:49 AM
http://www.carryconcealed.net/legal
Post by: darth davidson on October 20, 2012, 02:03:11 PM
Interested in the Glock 36 for conceal carry. Single stack .45cal. 6+1. I love my G22 .40, but pretty bulky in the summer. During the summer I find myself carrying my Kel-Tec .380 in the front pocket a lot, but often worry if that's enough outside a very close up encounter? Any thoughts on this??
I carry a Glock 36 or a Kimber ultra covert II. That Glock is excellent weapon very slim and accurate. Easier to clean than the 1911.
Post by: KennyC on October 21, 2012, 08:41:37 AM
Post by: RussG69 on October 22, 2012, 11:05:28 AM
Post by: KennyC on October 22, 2012, 06:12:25 PM
I never leave home with out my Dan Wesson CCO, unless I take my Sig P238....Good looking gun!!
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 23, 2012, 08:18:29 AM
I never leave home with out my Dan Wesson CCO, unless I take my Sig P238....Very nice gun, I always liked Wessons CCO.
1911's can be a very expensive hobby too.
Post by: darth davidson on October 27, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
Post by: RussG69 on October 27, 2012, 05:38:05 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on October 27, 2012, 06:12:31 PM
Just got this beauty and got my hands on 10 boxes of FN 5.7 x 28 !!!! miracle!!! :coolblue:
Very nice! I see they changed the packaging a little. Mine came with a hard grey styrofoam. Now here's a place where you can spend some more of your hard earned money for some real fun ammo http://www.eliteammunition.net/home.html
The wait times are worth it when you play around with different targets and vehicles ;)
Post by: WestCoastRuss on October 27, 2012, 08:23:48 PM
Just got this beauty and got my hands on 10 boxes of FN 5.7 x 28 !!!! miracle!!! :coolblue:
DD.....
Congratulations!! How long did you have to wait to get that 57 ?
Post by: darth davidson on October 27, 2012, 09:37:32 PM
DD.....
Congratulations!! How long did you have to wait to get that 57 ?
I did not. started looking for it last week, called a local gun shop and they had one. Paid over the phone thursday picked it up today. Lucky me!!! :coolblue:
Post by: WestCoastRuss on October 27, 2012, 10:58:16 PM
Post by: Crusty on October 28, 2012, 08:12:14 AM
I did not. started looking for it last week, called a local gun shop and they had one. Paid over the phone thursday picked it up today. Lucky me!!! :coolblue:
Very nice! Mind sharing what you gave for it?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 28, 2012, 09:22:51 AM
Just got this beauty and got my hands on 10 boxes of FN 5.7 x 28 !!!! miracle!!! :coolblue:
Very nice! I love mine, I have just over 2000 rounds through it with not one hick up. I have about 500 rounds or so on hand for it.
So much fun to shoot, almost no recoil. Very accurate.
Lots of fun at the range, people see the small hole but a loud noise, and ask what the heck is that.
Post by: bmcgc on October 28, 2012, 09:24:48 AM
Post by: darth davidson on October 28, 2012, 09:26:39 AM
Post by: darth davidson on October 28, 2012, 09:32:02 AM
DD....You sir are lucky....have been waiting here for a couple of months.....however, I can't get a 20 mag only a 10........Waaaaaahhhh!!
JEJE I have three 20 mags
Post by: 2k on October 28, 2012, 10:50:43 AM
Usually the Ruger 45, it packs a whallop. The Sig carries lighter and will hold its own in .40 HP. Somebody with $450 to spend can own the little Sig, been shot 3 times.
Post by: cvobiker on October 29, 2012, 08:22:56 AM
I did not. started looking for it last week, called a local gun shop and they had one. Paid over the phone thursday picked it up today. Lucky me!!! :coolblue:
So you must carry an FFL to be this lucky so fast. :nixweiss:
Post by: darth davidson on October 29, 2012, 08:57:32 AM
So you must carry an FFL to be this lucky so fast. :nixweiss:Nope. I had thought about getting one, but is not worth the hassle. Just got lucky this time . I looked over the internet budsgunshop, gun broker etc, could not get it. Called Gander, A1, army navy stores NADA. then Shoot Straight caselberry Fl, got one two days prior, sealed the deal over the phone. The gun did not make it to the shelf!!!
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on November 02, 2012, 06:49:39 PM
Post by: spydglide on November 02, 2012, 06:54:45 PM
Yesterday November 01, 2012 was the first day that concealed permit holders could openly carry in the state of Oklahoma. Even though there are still some restrictions it looks like the old west is not back in full force. I have not seen anyone other than myself carrying openly the last two days. I purposely carried open just to test public perception of me and their reactions. I carried locally as well as out of town where I am not know. I did not notice any difference in the way I was treated either place. About 50% did not notice or just did not react. Those that did notice had varying responses from grabbing their kids and heading the other way, most at least mentioned it to their shopping companions. I did go into a new sporting goods store here and within 25 feet of entering the store on grand opening weekend had two security peeps trail me all over the store for about 45 minutes. Will I open carry all the time. NO. I want the element of surprise should the need arise for me to use my weapons(s) but am glad that I now have the choice since it is nearly impossible to completely conceal the outline of the weapon or keep you shirt tail or jacket from gaping open and allowing the weapon to be visible. Makes a more law abiding citizen out of me. 141,000 concealed carry holders in Oklahoma now have the right to carry openly. There may be some hope yet.good to know. ;) spyder
Post by: Tuneso on November 03, 2012, 12:54:04 AM
Post by: 2018_FLTRXSE on November 03, 2012, 03:59:48 AM
Yesterday November 01, 2012 was the first day that concealed permit holders could openly carry in the state of Oklahoma. Even though there are still some restrictions it looks like the old west is not back in full force. I have not seen anyone other than myself carrying openly the last two days. I purposely carried open just to test public perception of me and their reactions. I carried locally as well as out of town where I am not know. I did not notice any difference in the way I was treated either place. About 50% did not notice or just did not react. Those that did notice had varying responses from grabbing their kids and heading the other way, most at least mentioned it to their shopping companions. I did go into a new sporting goods store here and within 25 feet of entering the store on grand opening weekend had two security peeps trail me all over the store for about 45 minutes. Will I open carry all the time. NO. I want the element of surprise should the need arise for me to use my weapons(s) but am glad that I now have the choice since it is nearly impossible to completely conceal the outline of the weapon or keep you shirt tail or jacket from gaping open and allowing the weapon to be visible. Makes a more law abiding citizen out of me. 141,000 concealed carry holders in Oklahoma now have the right to carry openly. There may be some hope yet.
I wish we could do either open or concealed here... but that will likely NEVER happen. HI has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country.
Maybe I need to retire out of state and live somewhere there are more "freedoms".
Post by: Pete7539 on November 03, 2012, 07:39:28 PM
Post by: 2k on November 03, 2012, 09:59:40 PM
Most of em
NICCCE111
Post by: KennyC on November 04, 2012, 11:28:46 AM
Most of emAll at once??? ;D Just Kidding! Nice collection!!
Post by: darth davidson on November 04, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
Most of em
Nice. i would need two pix , one for long weapons other for handguns. One day I'll take them all out.!
Post by: spada84 on November 04, 2012, 02:10:07 PM
Just sayin'
Post by: mrmagloo on November 05, 2012, 09:55:47 AM
I wish we could do either open or concealed here... but that will likely NEVER happen. HI has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country.
Maybe I need to retire out of state and live somewhere there are more "freedoms".
Think so? Come visit Illinois some time!
Post by: mrmagloo on November 05, 2012, 10:04:53 AM
Yesterday November 01, 2012 was the first day that concealed permit holders could openly carry in the state of Oklahoma. Even though there are still some restrictions it looks like the old west is not back in full force. I have not seen anyone other than myself carrying openly the last two days. I purposely carried open just to test public perception of me and their reactions. I carried locally as well as out of town where I am not know. I did not notice any difference in the way I was treated either place. About 50% did not notice or just did not react. Those that did notice had varying responses from grabbing their kids and heading the other way, most at least mentioned it to their shopping companions. I did go into a new sporting goods store here and within 25 feet of entering the store on grand opening weekend had two security peeps trail me all over the store for about 45 minutes. Will I open carry all the time. NO. I want the element of surprise should the need arise for me to use my weapons(s) but am glad that I now have the choice since it is nearly impossible to completely conceal the outline of the weapon or keep you shirt tail or jacket from gaping open and allowing the weapon to be visible. Makes a more law abiding citizen out of me. 141,000 concealed carry holders in Oklahoma now have the right to carry openly. There may be some hope yet.
The only value of a open carry provision is to avoid inadvertant printing hassles. Open carry makes you the absolute first target, usually by ambush, and totally undermines the element of surprise rendering you a sitting duck. There are a number a great holsters, crossbread, sparks, etc, that can do a very good job of comfortably concealing even a full sized 1911 with the right clothing, and can easily make a bobtailed Pro or Ultra disappear with the sheerest of shirts. I'm not sure what weapon you favor, but if you can sufficiently conceal a 1911, you can make easy work of the scores of polymers out there today. My .02 fwiw.
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on November 05, 2012, 02:45:15 PM
The only value of a open carry provision is to avoid inadvertant printing hassles. Open carry makes you the absolute first target, usually by ambush, and totally undermines the element of surprise rendering you a sitting duck. There are a number a great holsters, crossbread, sparks, etc, that can do a very good job of comfortably concealing even a full sized 1911 with the right clothing, and can easily make a bobtailed Pro or Ultra disappear with the sheerest of shirts. I'm not sure what weapon you favor, but if you can sufficiently conceal a 1911, you can make easy work of the scores of polymers out there today. My .02 fwiw.
Very well said. I only openly carried for a couple of days to check out public perception and it was quite interesting to say the least. The printing statement you made has been my campaign point for quite a while.
Post by: KennyC on November 12, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
Very well said. I only openly carried for a couple of days to check out public perception and it was quite interesting to say the least. The printing statement you made has been my campaign point for quite a while.Hey Flash, how's the open carry going over there next door to me? Seen many doing it and what's the feed back like?
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on November 13, 2012, 06:15:04 PM
Hey Flash, how's the open carry going over there next door to me? Seen many doing it and what's the feed back like?
Openly carried the first two days it was legal Beretta PX4 storm full size. Detective style right side, belt level all black no cover on it at all other that holster and strap to secure weapon in place. Only about 50% even noticed those that did if alone looked and went back to business, if with another adult communicated in some way that there was someone open carrying then both looked at the same time but really did not react any other way, adults with children took the child by the hand and went to another aisle or part of the stores or placed their hand on top of the child's head and controlled the child's visual field of sight until I passed or they went the other way. The most interesting thing that happened is when I went into a large sporting goods store. An employee stopped me and offered me a sale flyer then asked what I was interested in told me I looked like the outdoorsy type and pointed me to that section I believe they call it "The Lodge" as I started to move towards that part of the store two (2) male store employees with communication devices fell in behind me and followed me all over the store for the next forty-five (45) minutes or so. I did encounter one (1) LEO who looked my way smiled, nodded and went on about his business. I did have on convenience store owner ask me not to carry in the store since it scared the employees. I told them I had been carrying into the store almost everytime I had been in there for the last couple of years the look I got was Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm then duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Somewhere back in this thread I posted a pic of a business type card that some where handing out right after concealed carry came in. I have about 300 of them and think I may start handing them out.
I still believe that I am better protected by concealing and getting the element of surprise but now do not have to worry about some LEO power tripping and giving me grief over an accidental exposure or printing of the weapon. All in all not much has changed I have only seen on person out and about openly carrying with the exception of a group touting second (2nd) ammendment rights they have been doing lunch, breakfast, dinner meetings while openly carrying. This is prob more than you asked for but...........................
Post by: Crusty on November 17, 2012, 12:54:28 AM
Good on her for protecting herself, but what's the point in carring if you don't already have the mag inserted and a round in the chamber? If this was a situation where she was in immediate danger, it wouldn't have done her much good!
Quote
Woman pulls gun on flasher: 'I'm going to blow your brains out'
A Ruger .380.
By Jason White, NBC News
A flasher allegedly got more than he bargained for when he approached a woman at a lake in Washington state this week: a Ruger .380 pointing back at him.
“I put the magazine in my gun. I cocked it,” the woman told The Daily News online. “I said, ‘You need to leave or I’ll shoot you. I’m going to blow your brains out.’”
The gun reportedly had the intended effect.
“Oh, [expletive]!” the man declared, according to the paper, before running away.
The 35-year-old woman was at Lake Sacajawea in Longview, Wash., with her 6-year-old son and a dog Wednesday evening when the man approached, police confirmed to NBC News.
He allegedly sat down and began performing a sex act and said she should watch.
It was at that point that she pulled out her gun.
After the man ran away, she sent her dog, a Norwegian Buhund Hound, after him, police said. The dog cornered him, and when she called the dog back, the man disappeared into the darkness.
The alleged flasher is described as a “white male in his early 20s with short dark-blond hair and wearing a gray hoody and dark blue jeans,” the paper reported.
Detective Kyle Sahim said police are actively investigating the incident, including whether it is connected to another reported flashing in the area.
"Not a common event in Longview," Sahim said.
Just noticed this was my post 1000! :bananarock:
Post by: KennyC on November 17, 2012, 01:31:56 PM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on November 17, 2012, 04:01:32 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/16/15216903-woman-pulls-gun-on-flasher-im-going-to-blow-your-brains-out?lite
Good on her for protecting herself, but what's the point in carring if you don't already have the mag inserted and a round in the chamber? If this was a situation where she was in immediate danger, it wouldn't have done her much good!
Just noticed this was my post 1000! :bananarock:
Congrats Crusty on #1000 :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: 1sharprdkg on November 17, 2012, 05:09:50 PM
I never leave home with out my Dan Wesson CCO, unless I take my Sig P238....Just saw this, CCO is a really fine looking pistol! Back in the day I had a Dan Wesson revolver that came with four different length interchangeable barrels.
Post by: Cosmic Charlie on November 17, 2012, 09:18:25 PM
I'm a civilian Mass resident and licensed to Conceal Carry only (LTC High Capacity) - BUT in my neighbor state of New Hampshire I can ONLY carry exposed with my Mass LTC (but I paid a $100 fee to NH for the right to conceal carry ...) no open exposed carry allowed in Mass unless you are Police or active military ...
& You gutz to know the rules state to state.
I know a NH resident that has a "NH LTC concealed" and got caught in Mass with concealed carry without a Mass LTC ... and did 12 months in a Mass jail for it ... and if he fought it they told him they'd press for him to do in addition to 1 year for a concealed handgun loaded, and one more year for EACH round in the gun (10 more years)
This active state reciprocity map can help save your freedom ... (maybe most you guys have seen it)
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
Post by: Crusty on November 17, 2012, 11:01:34 PM
I know a NH resident that has a "NH LTC concealed" and got caught in Mass with concealed carry without a Mass LTC ... and did 12 months in a Mass jail for it ... and if he fought it they told him they'd press for him to do in addition to 1 year for a concealed handgun loaded, and one more year for EACH round in the gun (10 more years)
This active state reciprocity map can help save your freedom ... (maybe most you guys have seen it)
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
Great example of while it sounds good to say, "'F' the police, I'll carry no matter what the law says!", when you get caught, I'm guessing it probably doesn't seem like it was a great idea!
Post by: ffltjeff on November 18, 2012, 11:50:19 AM
Post by: KennyC on November 19, 2012, 10:04:48 AM
Great example of while it sounds good to say, "'F' the police, I'll carry no matter what the law says!", when you get caught, I'm guessing it probably doesn't seem like it was a great idea!Exactly!!!! I live in one of the Red Neck Capitals of the world where I hear that all the time! One of my wife's customers is a ex-cop who recommended I get my CCL vs carrying because I think "it's my right??" He told me it would put an end to many a potential problem I my have with the wrong cop pulling me over. By wrong cop, I mean one not so understanding that I have a right to have a loaded .40 cal Glock in my truck! Glad I have it now! Funny too, I've had my permit about 2 years now and haven't been through a road block or pulled over since. :)
Post by: Midnight Rider on November 19, 2012, 04:27:46 PM
Great example of while it sounds good to say, "'F' the police, I'll carry no matter what the law says!", when you get caught, I'm guessing it probably doesn't seem like it was a great idea!
Well said. Two of many things I've learned in 61 years: 1) There are "good" cops and "bad" cops. 2) Don't f#%K with either kind while they are standing in front of you.
Post by: Rio on November 19, 2012, 07:15:01 PM
Post by: RussG69 on November 20, 2012, 10:30:03 AM
Just saw this, CCO is a really fine looking pistol! Back in the day I had a Dan Wesson revolver that came with four different length interchangeable barrels.
They are great shooters for sure. I have a VBOB that I love as well. I'll carry it every now and again.
Post by: ALRG8TOR on November 20, 2012, 12:58:19 PM
Just saw this, CCO is a really fine looking pistol! Back in the day I had a Dan Wesson revolver that came with four different length interchangeable barrels.
If you don't still have the DW pistol pack with the interchangeable barrels I'll bet you wished you did.
Did it look anything like this?
Post by: longlast on November 20, 2012, 01:11:25 PM
" Hang on it git's better" being cough with it is one thing, but if your being attacked and you use it on the attacker
"YOU" the victim will be charged for assault causing (G.B.H.) grieves, bodily, harm, on the attacker. "The preps have more right". If a prep brakes in to your home at night when your asleep and you catch him and cause him harm you can go to jail then once you've been coveted, here comes the grand finally the prep cane sue you. We had a case here a while back. A farmers home had been robbed 3/4 times over, when he was not home, the authorities were dragging their heals.
Then it happened 3 preps broke in to the farmers house when he was at home he shot one with a scatter gun, the farmer got banged up for 5 yrs. How dose that figure. :nixweiss:
Post by: Fired00d on November 20, 2012, 02:48:39 PM
If you don't still have the DW pistol pack with the interchangeable barrels I'll bet you wished you did.Sweeeeeeet!!! I didn't get the package (sorry I didn't) but I do have the gun w/an 8" barrel. Fired maybe a box of rounds through it and been in the box ever since.
Did it look anything like this?
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16970.0;attach=228699;image)
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: mrmagloo on November 20, 2012, 04:00:39 PM
If you don't still have the DW pistol pack with the interchangeable barrels I'll bet you wished you did.
Did it look anything like this?
Mine looks like that. However, it's only got the 3 Heavy Barrels at 8", 6", and 4". It's in a mahogany box with a red flocked interior. Was that 2" barrel bought later? I think the other kits I saw at the time inlcuded the 2" only with the standard barrels?
Post by: ALRG8TOR on November 21, 2012, 05:35:45 AM
I've seen the wooden box, that's a nice presentation case. From what I've seen the pistol packs come in a few different configurations with the sized suitcase pictured, most .357 mag with four barrels. They also have a smaller, similar suitcases with just two barrels in .357 and .38, maybe others. I've also seen pistol packs in .44 mag, although I've never seen a .44 mag with a 2" (I think they call them 2.5") barrel in the pack, maybe yours is a .44 mag?
Post by: cvobiker on November 21, 2012, 08:00:56 AM
Here in England hell you can't even carry "mace" if you did and got caught with it you got a fine.
" Hang on it git's better" being cough with it is one thing, but if your being attacked and you use it on the attacker
"YOU" the victim will be charged for assault causing (G.B.H.) grieves, bodily, harm, on the attacker. "The preps have more right". If a prep brakes in to your home at night when your asleep and you catch him and cause him harm you can go to jail then once you've been coveted, here comes the grand finally the prep cane sue you. We had a case here a while back. A farmers home had been robbed 3/4 times over, when he was not home, the authorities were dragging their heals.
Then it happened 3 preps broke in to the farmers house when he was at home he shot one with a scatter gun, the farmer got banged up for 5 yrs. How dose that figure. :nixweiss:
Don't think I'll move to England soon :'(.
Post by: Fired00d on November 21, 2012, 09:20:04 AM
Fired00d:It's the DW .357. It isn't the "package" just the pistol only.
I've seen the wooden box, that's a nice presentation case. From what I've seen the pistol packs come in a few different configurations with the sized suitcase pictured, most .357 mag with four barrels. They also have a smaller, similar suitcases with just two barrels in .357 and .38, maybe others. I've also seen pistol packs in .44 mag, although I've never seen a .44 mag with a 2" (I think they call them 2.5") barrel in the pack, maybe yours is a .44 mag?
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: BigLew on December 12, 2012, 11:24:53 AM
BigLew
Post by: RussG69 on December 12, 2012, 02:15:42 PM
Anyone own or shot the FN 45 cal tactical. Saw a you tube video and thinking about adding to the full size other than a kimber.
BigLew
Here is mine. I love this gun. It's a blast to shoot. Very accurate. It's my go to gun in the middle of the night. My only problem so far is that it's hard as hell to get 15 rounds of 45 in the magazine...
Post by: BigLew on December 12, 2012, 02:21:47 PM
BigLew
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 14, 2012, 05:39:14 PM
I need a personal unit for Suzie, I have a 9MM and a S&W .40 of my own. I'm going to the gun shop tomorrow for a small framed large cal for Suzie, any suggestions ?
I don't need bear killers, just bad guy killers.
_Beags
Post by: ultrafxr on December 14, 2012, 05:51:37 PM
http://www.ruger.com/products/lcp/index.html
Post by: justplainjim on December 14, 2012, 06:11:55 PM
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Post by: Pete7539 on December 14, 2012, 06:31:18 PM
http://diamondbackfirearms.com/product?id=23
Post by: Supershooter on December 14, 2012, 07:37:05 PM
Supershooter
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Post by: mjb765 on December 14, 2012, 09:02:08 PM
Sig 238 in .380. Just awesome!
Looks tough to shoot upside down :huepfenlol2:
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 14, 2012, 09:14:08 PM
Sig 238 in .380. Just awesome!
Yep. Far better than the LCP and many other of the pocket 380's.
Wife wanted and LCP cause all her friends had one. So she borrowed and LCP and I have a friend with the Sig. After 10 rounds she was tired of the LCP, she shot 40 out of the Sig P238. She changed her mind and wanted the sig.
I knew the LCP was not fun to shoot like the Sig.
I believe if you carry, you need to shoot what you carry, and shoot it very well, and often.
Yes, it is a good bit more money than the LCP, but it is a good bit more gun.
My wife loves her. Exactly the one pictured, with night sights.
She is deadly with it. At 15 yards she can take the bullseye out of the target, just one big whole.
Post by: SG Racer on December 14, 2012, 10:59:39 PM
Double action S &W .38 special...Never jams, fit her small palm, knock down power, very concealable. As good as it gets.I bought my wife one of these also. It is a great gun. The one I have is a plus p. She does not like it that well though. I bought her a Bersa Thunder 380 a few years ago and she loves it. I carry the 38 sometimes myself. I have some FBI friends and they love S&W revolvers still. Never jam, always fires. Their Special operators still carry them.
A side note about the light weight ones, they are very accurate but kick hard. Not something you want to shoot a lot.
I agree it is still one of the best, IMHO.
Post by: VaEagle on December 14, 2012, 11:04:32 PM
The Glock Model .36 is also very accurate out of the box and can handle many bullet types and load weights. The .45 is a known man stopper in any configuration from ball ammo to various hollow points.
As others have said practice a lot with one weapon that you carry and try to always carry it in the same spot and not all over your body so you will make movements smoothly and out of instinct, that way you don't telegraph your intentions groping around trying to figure out where the weapon is today etc.
Post by: Crusty on December 15, 2012, 12:18:30 AM
While it looks great in the movies to pull out a Desert Eagle and watch everyone run, in real life, I'd rather have a .380 that I know I can comfortably carry all the time.
Post by: ffltjeff on December 15, 2012, 04:47:31 AM
Post by: skippy on December 15, 2012, 08:33:47 AM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 15, 2012, 09:45:11 AM
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/8C7DCBD8-BD2B-48BA-A2AF-E71D60BCF98F-21680-00000602113BC3B7.jpg)
Post by: Henrycm on December 15, 2012, 10:19:54 AM
Sig 238 in .380. Just awesome!
I second this choice
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Post by: Rio on December 15, 2012, 10:23:52 AM
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 15, 2012, 11:22:41 AM
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 15, 2012, 11:53:22 AM
With all of this craziness going on these days, I'm in the market for a little protection for Suzy. As many of you know I travel quite a bit, and there have been break In's in my neighborhood. She has small hands and is about 125 lbs, any suggestions or help is appreciated. I'm thinking a small frame 9mm or a .380
Post by: Mrs Rooster on December 15, 2012, 11:58:15 AM
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 15, 2012, 12:37:40 PM
There are several indoor ranges here that will let you test fire anything. My bro-in-law was a range instructor in th USMC for several years (G.SGT Hank) I call him Dirty Hanky, he's a better shot than Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon.....no chit (His Colt .45 ACP is like part of him). I'm not looking for her to carry, just something in the night stand that she can use to protect herself when I'm not here. I can surely fend off any threat when I'm home, but my .40 and 9mm are just too big and heavy for my little baby.
Post by: ffltjeff on December 15, 2012, 02:34:08 PM
Post by: VaEagle on December 15, 2012, 02:43:26 PM
Matt take Suzy to a range and let her try different ones and see what feels good in her hands. Okay keep your minds out of the gutter ;D
I agree with above idea. Let the person who is going to use it pick it out after trying it and practicing at the range.
I have learned over the years that a hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .44 but if all things are equal hit the suspect with the largest thing you can accurately hit with. Most shooting incidences only involve 2 or three shots so very large capacity guns are not statistically needed and just increase bulk and weight which you wife has trouble handling from your comments. A .380 is just a shortened lower power .9mm so don't expect much change except you need to be careful of which bullet weight and design you need to get best stopping power. You need to combine accuracy with stopping power to get best results. Remember that if you place the shot on target but the round has low velocity or small weight and penetration then it takes longer to stop the intruder. Which then gives them longer time to assault you.
It sound strange at first but I have found that the Glock 45 is very easy to train someone on and it has a gentle push as opposed to a sharp shove back like a .40 or 9mm, I think it's because the other calibers are high velocity and the 45 is lower velocity as well as the gun's design.
I have females in their 20's shooting the Glock as well as guys in their 80s and they love it.
Good luck choosing and I hope she finds a gun she is comfortable with yet never has to use it for self defense!
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 15, 2012, 02:54:03 PM
Thanks for the insight, I have several that I enjoy shooting but Suzy is new to the trade, I just want her to be happy with what we get her. Again, there is no chance of her trying to carry, but I do travel and there has been strange crap going on in my hood. I'm thinking about getting the Horsemen and Angels around again to put an end to this bullchit.
As a patchholder for 10+ years, It's time to stop this chit.
_Beags
Post by: BigLew on December 15, 2012, 04:38:29 PM
Sig 238 in .380. Just awesome!Owned and shot about everything love the new Sig for a carry. might want something with a light for home use for her. But the 238 x4
BigLew
Post by: Fired00d on December 15, 2012, 04:54:59 PM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: grayghost731 on December 15, 2012, 07:45:23 PM
All,
With all of this craziness going on these days, I'm in the market for a little protection for Suzy. As many of you know I travel quite a bit, and there have been break In's in my neighborhood. She has small hands and is about 125 lbs, any suggestions or help is appreciated. I'm thinking a small frame 9mm or a .380
Just MY opinion... I think your looking in the wrong direction if she is not gonna carry it at all times.
You can not go wrong with a good shot-gun for HOME DEFENSE ;) under pressure you don't want her to miss the
intruders. I know some detectives and most home invasions are done with teams of 3 or 4 and if you have some
Doped up thugs coming at you, You better be VERY GOOD with a little hand gun. When the Chit hits the fan,Fear
and adrenaline take over and your less likely as a (woman) to drop a shot-gun .
Post by: Fired00d on December 15, 2012, 07:51:49 PM
Good point... and the sound of a round being racked in a shotgun in the dark is enough to tighten up your you know what. :shocked2:
Just MY opinion... I think your looking in the wrong direction if she is not gonna carry it at all times.
You can not go wrong with a good shot-gun for HOME DEFENSE ;) under pressure you don't want her to miss the
intruders. I know some detectives and most home invasions are done with teams of 3 or 4 and if you have some
Doped up thugs coming at you, You better be VERY GOOD with a little hand gun. When the Chit hits the fan,Fear
and adrenaline take over and your less likely as a (woman) to drop a shot-gun .
The only cause for concern is the collateral damage/injury of the pellets and where they could end up when the shotgun is fired. Example... down the hallway w/your children(s) bedroom behind the line of fire. :nervous:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 15, 2012, 09:32:53 PM
This is the gun I carry. The Kimber custom 45 ::)
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/8C7DCBD8-BD2B-48BA-A2AF-E71D60BCF98F-21680-00000602113BC3B7.jpg)
Thats an Ultra CDP II isn't it? I have one for my Summer carry. Easier to conceal than my Les Baer Stinger which has the 4 1/4 barrel instead of the 3" on the CPD. Carry the Baer in the winter
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 15, 2012, 09:35:07 PM
Another vote for the Sig P238. They also now have a Sig P938 (9mm). The 238 is, IMO, the perfect carry gun and is a dream to shoot. Not a single glitch in several hundred rounds shot through it. Easy to control, accurate as hell, and with the right round, will do sufficient damage to a bad guy. I haven't shot the 938 or even seen one, but it is just slightly larger. They are not cheap, but it's a quality piece if you like the 1911 "style".
I have been looking for a P938. It would be my first 9mm. I have five 1911's, which is my favorite gun and what I shoot best. Love my wifes P238 so I want the P938.
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 15, 2012, 09:37:07 PM
Thats an Ultra CDP II isn't it? I have one for my Summer carry. Easier to conceal than my Les Baer Stinger which has the 4 1/4 barrel instead of the 3" on the CPD. Carry the Baer in the winter
You are correct. This is the Ultra CDP ll and I really like the 3" barrel. Very accurate and fun to shoot.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 15, 2012, 09:40:40 PM
That it is, lots of fun to shoot. Also the easiest 1911 style 45 to carry.
You are correct. This is the Ultra CDP ll and I really like the 3" barrel. Very accurate and fun to shoot.
My Ed Browns with a 5 inch barrel are more accurate but not easy to conceal carry.
Post by: Puck on December 15, 2012, 11:31:11 PM
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 17, 2012, 01:20:09 PM
I hadn't thought about it but I think you may be on to something. The only problem that I see is how the heck do you get that into the freakin' nightstand. I've got my neices and nephews running around, how do you explain a 12 ga by Auntie Suzy's bed? Any thoughts?? Maybe a light shade?
_Beags
Post by: miker on December 17, 2012, 01:32:22 PM
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 17, 2012, 01:46:12 PM
Worth looking at, I have 2 good sized boxers that you would think can take care of "Mommy" not so. They can't even be the alarm. But thanks..I'll look!
_Beags
Post by: miker on December 17, 2012, 01:52:09 PM
A shot gun will, without doubt settle it.
Disclosure: ...ours is a Benelli M4 Super 90, ...10 rounds of 12 ga "pitbull" ammo with a fast as you can pull the trigger delivery oughta take care of any threat or any drywall... ::)
Post by: E-Skunk on December 17, 2012, 03:35:15 PM
Something similar, hides under the cover. Shotgun with low recoil slugs alternate with buckshot...
And I thought my Louisville Slugger was intimidating!! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: grayghost731 on December 17, 2012, 06:27:09 PM
Ghost,
I hadn't thought about it but I think you may be on to something. The only problem that I see is how the heck do you get that into the freakin' nightstand. I've got my neices and nephews running around, how do you explain a 12 ga by Auntie Suzy's bed? Any thoughts?? Maybe a light shade?
_Beags
What about two brackets behind the headboard? or behind the closet door? Somewhere you can grab it quick ;)
with young kids around safety becomes a HUGE issue :-\ I would not just have a hand gun in a nightstand :nervous:
Post by: Pete7539 on December 18, 2012, 12:46:57 AM
Post by: cvobiker on December 18, 2012, 07:54:35 AM
Something similar, hides under the cover. Shotgun with low recoil slugs alternate with buckshot...
Hope you don't have kids or grand kids running around. :'(
Post by: miker on December 18, 2012, 09:13:31 AM
one(s) on my person. The picture was an example only, not mine...opsec does not allow me to offer my homes protection. ;)
Thanks for your thoughts.
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 19, 2012, 01:40:27 PM
She now has the Sig P238 on the nightstand. No kids to worry about, so it stays on top of the stand all the time, cocked and locked. On my side of the bed sits a Sig C3 .45 with night sights and Crimsontrace laser grips. Both have extra magazines handy, and both have Hornady Critical Defense rounds in them. We also have an ADT security system with a couple of signs in the yard saying so. Every time a door opens in the house, it beeps twice in two locations, even when not armed. That and six dogs will probably alert me, or make the bad guy choose another home.
Beags...I really think you should check out the Sig P238 for your wife, particularly with her being so small. My wife is 5'3" and about 135lbs, with small hands, and she handles that gun very well. Perfect size for her hands, and the recoil is not bad at all. My .45 is too much for her to handle...she's just not comfortable shooting it.
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on December 19, 2012, 04:20:59 PM
I usually go very few places I can't carry. Sometimes I break the law in lieu of protecting myself and my family. Freedom has costs.
Post by: Cosmic Charlie on December 19, 2012, 05:47:12 PM
I was issued my first sidearm at 18... Have not been unarmed since. I carry a 4" taurus 5 shot 44 mag CONCEALED! currently. Have shot 2 deer at between 80 and 95 steps with this pistol. Headshots on b-27's at 50 are no prob... Yes reloads are slow. Speedloaders help. 180 xtp @ 1500fps limits number of shots needed on deer, elk, bear and barmints of all kind.I usually go very few places I can't carry. Sometimes I break the law in lieu of protecting myself and my family. Freedom has costs.
"Have shot 2 deer at between 80 and 95 steps with this pistol. Headshots on b-27's at 50 are no prob"
I need more friends like you !
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on December 19, 2012, 06:07:30 PM
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on December 19, 2012, 06:13:26 PM
Post by: willyB on December 19, 2012, 06:18:58 PM
All,GLOCK 19
With all of this craziness going on these days, I'm in the market for a little protection for Suzy. As many of you know I travel quite a bit, and there have been break In's in my neighborhood. She has small hands and is about 125 lbs, any suggestions or help is appreciated. I'm thinking a small frame 9mm or a .380
My wife is 5'-0" tall and about 115 lbs. It's no issue for her at all. When I leave on business it sits ready to go on her side of the bed with +P hollow points.
They might not be the prettiest gun around but the will function without fail.
Post by: Steve_G on December 19, 2012, 06:49:27 PM
Another benefit- a cleaner yard! You can't take a step without walking on pellets.
I'll kill 'em with whatever piece I have on my person at the moment. (Should get a "suppressor though).
I just wish I could grow some taters here to go with it. ;)
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on December 19, 2012, 06:58:54 PM
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 22, 2012, 08:48:26 PM
Suzy liked the Glock 19 (with some options) and also liked the Legacy Escort M/P TAC 12 GA semi auto.... she gets both, let's face it.....a good chick is hard to find and she certainly knows what to do with hard things......... :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
I'm kinda looking forward to playing with the shot gun, the Glock may be fun for a shoot or two. Thanks to all for the input.
Happy holidays,
_Beags
Post by: Crusty on December 23, 2012, 05:15:06 AM
Just got off the range,
Suzy liked the Glock 19 (with some options) and also liked the Legacy Escort M/P TAC 12 GA semi auto.... she gets both, let's face it.....a good chick is hard to find and she certainly knows what to do with hard things......... :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
I'm kinda looking forward to playing with the shot gun, the Glock may be fun for a shoot or two. Thanks to all for the input.
Happy holidays,
_Beags
Merry Christmas, everyone!!
Post by: SG Racer on December 23, 2012, 05:24:01 AM
Just got off the range,Nice. I carry a 19 at work. It is a nice, maintenance easy gun.
Suzy liked the Glock 19 (with some options) and also liked the Legacy Escort M/P TAC 12 GA semi auto.... she gets both, let's face it.....a good chick is hard to find and she certainly knows what to do with hard things......... :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
I'm kinda looking forward to playing with the shot gun, the Glock may be fun for a shoot or two. Thanks to all for the input.
Happy holidays,
_Beags
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 23, 2012, 06:23:34 AM
_Beags
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 23, 2012, 08:13:11 AM
Post by: spydglide on December 23, 2012, 08:35:02 AM
Sure glad I can walk in buy a gun or five and take it home in ten minutes.Yes, me too...........my only problem is affording the inflated prices now. :-[ spyder
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 23, 2012, 10:13:49 PM
Yes, me too...........my only problem is affording the inflated prices now. :-[ spyderThe prices sure have gone nuts. Large cap mags are sold out every where.
Seems the only business booming is the gun business.
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 24, 2012, 03:15:17 AM
_Beags
Post by: 2harleys on December 24, 2012, 11:20:50 AM
I, We don't need large cap mags, I just want her to be able to knock down some swinging dick that may come through the front door. I live in a pretty nice piece of San Diego, but there have been break-in's reported. I want this place like one of those roach motels, you can check in.....but you can't check out. Suzy certainly has the guts to use whatever she had been trained with, Oh, did I mention that my brother-in-law was a gunny in the USMC (I call him Dirty Hanky, Makes Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon look like a pussy). Really, put his .45 in his hand and he'll shoot the asshole out of a flea at 100 yards.
_Beags
Maybe the answer is to have "Dirty Hanky" sleep over when you are out? LOL
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on December 24, 2012, 11:26:53 AM
I have found strange socks under my side of the bed though!!!! ;D ;D
I can trust Suzy with my life, otherwise I'd never go out and get her a bunch of weapons (holy crap, I hope I'm right)
_Beags
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 24, 2012, 01:25:08 PM
LMAO.......
I have found strange socks under my side of the bed though!!!! ;D ;D
I can trust Suzy with my life, otherwise I'd never go out and get her a bunch of weapons (holy crap, I hope I'm right)
_Beags
:vrolijk_4: :ROFLOL:
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on December 24, 2012, 04:11:09 PM
Post by: KennyC on December 24, 2012, 04:22:20 PM
Been playing with different Inside the Waistband options and have had favorable results using crossbreed holsters. Very nice with glock 19, 17, and 34. It's amazing what can be concealed comfortably with the right holster.What about pant sizes and keeping your pants up? ;D Any problems with those kind of holsters?
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on December 24, 2012, 04:29:06 PM
I am 5'11" 225 and I can conceal a 2 full size four and a half inch glocks or 2 five inch 1911's with the right holster(s) and still have room to conceal 2-4 mags!
A Sweatshirt, polo shirt, hawaiian shirt tucked in or outside and you can't tell without being EXTREMELY observant.
Almost any man or woman can conceal a compact 9mm or a snub revolver without any problem or change in clothing and style.
Post by: spydglide on December 24, 2012, 04:44:33 PM
You do have to wear a belt! LOL Doesn't hurt to have it tight either! In my more exciting past I carried TWO glock 20's and 2-15 round mags in the small of the back almost daily for about 3 years. Nice 1 3/4" belt no issue...A good 'thick' belt makes all the difference in holding the weight in place w/o sagging. ;) spyder
I am 5'11" 225 and I can conceal a 2 full size four and a half inch glocks or 2 five inch 1911's with the right holster(s) and still have room to conceal 2-4 mags!
A Sweatshirt, polo shirt, hawaiian shirt tucked in or outside and you can't tell without being EXTREMELY observant.
Almost any man or woman can conceal a compact 9mm or a snub revolver without any problem or change in clothing and style.
Post by: KennyC on December 24, 2012, 04:56:34 PM
You do have to wear a belt! LOL Doesn't hurt to have it tight either! In my more exciting past I carried TWO glock 20's and 2-15 round mags in the small of the back almost daily for about 3 years. Nice 1 3/4" belt no issue...Ha, I do wear a belt. I'm 6ft 240. Beer Belly got a little bigger since I've been unemployed, but thats about to change first of the year. Starting a new job! That will slow the calorie intake!! Right now it's hard enough to button my pants much less put a G22 in there! ;D Hoping to buy a G36 this year for CC. That and lose about 20, I should be ready for summer!! :2vrolijk_21:
I am 5'11" 225 and I can conceal a 2 full size four and a half inch glocks or 2 five inch 1911's with the right holster(s) and still have room to conceal 2-4 mags!
A Sweatshirt, polo shirt, hawaiian shirt tucked in or outside and you can't tell without being EXTREMELY observant.
Almost any man or woman can conceal a compact 9mm or a snub revolver without any problem or change in clothing and style.
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on December 24, 2012, 05:02:44 PM
I prefer open carry, cross draw, with the 44's better than anything. Quick, comfy and you would be amazed at how polite the world is when you carry open... Shady looking charachters slink outta sight.... It is an education!
Post by: jimc5553 on December 24, 2012, 05:23:45 PM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 24, 2012, 07:48:09 PM
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on December 24, 2012, 10:07:18 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 24, 2012, 10:47:34 PM
Post by: Yellow09SERG on December 24, 2012, 11:11:19 PM
Merry Christmas all
Post by: cvobiker on December 24, 2012, 11:13:13 PM
They do not make pants for women that will work with a waistband holster. :'(. Trust me.., you are lucky if they have front pockets big enough to hold a quarter. :-\. Most of our pant's sit 4" below the waist, so by the time you attach your holster to your belt, your pistol is hanging to your knee's. :o. I struggle trying to find jeans that work with my holster/pistol.
Woman are lucky, they make a lot of p-r-e-t-t-y purses that will pack almost anything and everything.. 8)
http://www.gungear.com/ez-catalog/X300536/2
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 25, 2012, 06:31:43 AM
Post by: VaEagle on December 25, 2012, 12:01:36 PM
Post by: KennyC on December 25, 2012, 12:35:29 PM
I guess you could use this method in a pinch?....... :huepfenlol2:That's my goofy neighbor!!!!!!! Well, not really, but I think he'd do something like that!! ;D
Post by: Fired00d on December 25, 2012, 12:38:02 PM
I guess you could use this method in a pinch?....... :huepfenlol2::ROFLOL: I'm saving that pic and passing it on. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: cvobiker on December 25, 2012, 12:40:45 PM
I guess you could use this method in a pinch?....... :huepfenlol2:
Put that thing on eBay,, you'll have a blond buying that up in no time :o
Post by: cvobiker on December 25, 2012, 12:46:53 PM
They do make a lot of great purses, but that is not practical when you are riding on your MC :P
My wife manages, she has a nice little leather shoulder strap purse that packs her necessities and a Lady Smith mighty fine.. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Yellow09SERG on December 25, 2012, 07:12:18 PM
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on December 25, 2012, 09:53:22 PM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 25, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
I guess you could use this method in a pinch?....... :huepfenlol2:
Does one use the left flip flop or the right :nixweiss: (That would be the blond on eBay asking :'()
Post by: spydglide on December 26, 2012, 07:06:15 AM
Depends on whether you want to carry 'cross-draw' or strong-side. ;D har. spyder
Does one use the left flip flop or the right :nixweiss: (That would be the blond on eBay asking :'()
Post by: Pete7539 on December 27, 2012, 12:28:49 AM
They do not make pants for women that will work with a waistband holster. :'(. Trust me.., you are lucky if they have front pockets big enough to hold a quarter. :-\. Most of our pant's sit 4" below the waist, so by the time you attach your holster to your belt, your pistol is hanging to your knee's. :o. I struggle trying to find jeans that work with my holster/pistol.
you could always try these http://www.thunderwear.com
Post by: cvobiker on December 27, 2012, 07:47:21 AM
you could always try these http://www.thunderwear.com
Yea. And they even provide a little extra protection.. :P
Post by: VaEagle on December 27, 2012, 10:50:16 AM
Not to sound like a grownup from a Christmas Story but "Don't get that you may shoot your junk off!"
:huepfenlol2:
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 27, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
"you could always try these http://www.thunderwear.com"
Not to sound like a grownup from a Christmas Story but "Don't get that you may shoot your junk off!"
:huepfenlol2:
That's exactly what I thought when I went to the website. :'(. :oops: I would suggest not chambering a round and always double check to make sure your safety is on.
Post by: Pete7539 on December 27, 2012, 04:03:21 PM
prevents Plaxico
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 27, 2012, 04:13:48 PM
GLock Saf-T-Blok http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=396&action=show_detail
prevents Plaxico
WOW! I really like the clipdraw. It looks like it works with 1911's. I'm thinking it would work on my 3" Ultra CDP Kimber. What do you think? :nixweiss:
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 27, 2012, 05:02:34 PM
WOW! I really like the clipdraw. It looks like it works with 1911's. I'm thinking it would work on my 3" Ultra CDP Kimber. What do you think? :nixweiss:
Judi...the site shows the clipdraw fitting 1911's, both standard frame and Commander. Also shows another part number for the Officer's model, the Colt Defender, and Compact. Very nice, and inexpensive too!
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 27, 2012, 05:10:19 PM
Judi...the site shows the clipdraw fitting 1911's, both standard frame and Commander. Also shows another part number for the Officer's model, the Colt Defender, and Compact. Very nice, and inexpensive too!
Well, a 1911 standard frame or Commander might not fit mine but maybe a compact. I guess I will have to investigate into this more. Will it fit your pistol Terry? It is a pretty cool item. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 27, 2012, 05:19:30 PM
Well, a 1911 standard frame or Commander might not fit mine but maybe a compact. I guess I will have to investigate into this more. Will it fit your pistol Terry? It is a pretty cool item. :2vrolijk_21:
The Sig C3 is a commander length slide sitting on an Officer's frame, so I would think one of them would fit. I'd contact the place to be sure before purchasing.
Post by: VaEagle on December 27, 2012, 06:26:42 PM
http://glockstore.glockstore.com/usa-iwb-holster
The advantages to this holster versus pocket or some kind of clip system is that it protects the wearer from sharp edges, protects finish of weapon from body oils and lint etc. It also protects your clothes from premature wear. It also aids in concealment by making it harder to print through clothing. This holster also allows you to tuck in your shirt and still hold your weapon securely,no fear of having the weapon work it's way out and fall out.
It does make it easy to draw weapon without snagging on clothing and you can re-holster your weapon after firing without burning yourself.
The holster is made for many different models including various 1911's.
many female law enforcement officers use something like this over a purse unless wardrobe or situations dictate otherwise, it is too easy to loose control or access to a weapon if in a purse versus on the person.
Post by: Pete7539 on December 27, 2012, 08:51:06 PM
WOW! I really like the clipdraw. It looks like it works with 1911's. I'm thinking it would work on my 3" Ultra CDP Kimber. What do you think? :nixweiss:
I've used on my Glock 27 for over 6 years. Spring tension still tight against frame. Has never frayed or left a mark on any of my clothing and can be adjusted to be made comfortable in any position.
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on December 27, 2012, 11:41:05 PM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 30, 2012, 12:02:08 PM
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/CC71B7FE-8AAB-4A5F-B665-2BCDE270D6A2-3821-000004F354EF77CF.jpg)
Post by: cvobiker on December 30, 2012, 12:22:39 PM
Picked up this nice little Browning 1911 22 LR A1 yesterday. Put about 100 rounds through it and it is one sweet pistol. Couldn't be happier.
i love that handgun.. i've had one for years and never leave it home when we go shooting.. Almost (still thinking about it) bought another one at Sportsmans Warehouse a few weeks ago.. Let us know how you liked shooting that... they're very accurate. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Midnight Rider on December 31, 2012, 03:34:46 PM
Picked up this nice little Browning 1911 22 LR A1 yesterday. Put about 100 rounds through it and it is one sweet pistol. Couldn't be happier.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/CC71B7FE-8AAB-4A5F-B665-2BCDE270D6A2-3821-000004F354EF77CF.jpg)
I want one of those!! They are kinda hard to find though...
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 31, 2012, 05:12:22 PM
I want one of those!! They are kinda hard to find though...
They are very hard to find Terry. I walked into Bass Pro on Saturday and they had this pistol in the case. I couldn't believe my eyes! Walked out with it under my arm and went to my brothers in the country target shooting. Very accurate and a blast to shoot. ::)
Post by: cvobiker on December 31, 2012, 05:32:00 PM
They are very hard to find Terry. I walked into Bass Pro on Saturday and they had this pistol in the case. I couldn't believe my eyes! Walked out with it under my arm and went to my brothers in the country target shooting. Very accurate and a blast to shoot. ::)
I've seen the 22 in a lot of sports store on the shelve.. I never see the Browning High Power anywhere..
Post by: cvobiker on December 31, 2012, 05:39:34 PM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 31, 2012, 06:24:42 PM
Now here is a beauty Browning High Power - Not mine, but i can dream :2vrolijk_21: Very similar to the 22
BEAUTIFUL. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: cvobiker on December 31, 2012, 07:37:46 PM
BEAUTIFUL. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Your's could lijw like that :P but i think you would have a hard time finding a good gunsmith artist that will do it cheap. :'(
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on December 31, 2012, 07:48:25 PM
Your's could like like that :P but i think you would have a hard time finding a good gunsmith artist that will do it cheap. :'(
This pistol didn't come from the factory with this engraving :nixweiss:
Post by: UFO_HOG on December 31, 2012, 08:51:49 PM
North American Arms .22 Magnum
Should park comfortably in the inside pocket of my riding jacket
Post by: VaEagle on December 31, 2012, 11:24:33 PM
This pistol didn't come from the factory with this engraving :nixweiss:
Yes they did back in the day. Here are some for sale, even a three caliber gun set :
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Browning-Belgium-Renaissance-Pistols-For-Sale-on-GunsInternational-com-Gun-Classifieds-Online.cfm?cat_id=1233
Post by: cvobiker on January 01, 2013, 12:04:04 AM
Yes they did back in the day. Here are some for sale, even a three caliber gun set :
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Browning-Belgium-Renaissance-Pistols-For-Sale-on-GunsInternational-com-Gun-Classifieds-Online.cfm?cat_id=1233
Well, i just learned something new.. I thought these were custom done by some really good gunsmith artist. The factory option make this a very desirable Browning High Power ... I want one :2vrolijk_21: CVOGirl, this would be awesome gun for your collection :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Pete7539 on January 01, 2013, 02:09:02 AM
Just added this today......
North American Arms .22 Magnum
Should park comfortably in the inside pocket of my riding jacket
Very nice! Like the real wood. Got mine with the fake pearl
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on January 01, 2013, 09:18:42 AM
Well, i just learned something new.. I thought these were custom done by some really good gunsmith artist. The factory option make this a very desirable Browning High Power ... I want one :2vrolijk_21: CVOGirl, this would be awesome gun for your collection :2vrolijk_21:
This would be a must have for my collection! I would also like to add an STI Total Eclipse 45. Does anyone have one. :nixweiss:
Post by: cvobiker on January 01, 2013, 10:37:27 AM
This would be a must have for my collection! I would also like to add an STI Total Eclipse 45. Does anyone have one. :nixweiss:
Nice Gun,, you certainly have Champagne taste :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on January 01, 2013, 12:33:42 PM
All chrome engraved Les Baer 1 1/2" guaranteed... ThunderRanch special in 45... The ultimate bbq gun!
Post by: porthole on January 06, 2013, 01:14:48 PM
Something similar, hides under the cover. Shotgun with low recoil slugs alternate with buckshot...
Have you compared the low versus regular slugs?
I tried a box of Remington 00 low recoil and a "regular" box of the same. Not scientific of course, but the "in the shoulder" feel with my Weatherby PA-459 (pistol grip) was that the standard ammo kicked less.
Post by: porthole on January 06, 2013, 01:56:22 PM
Anybody modded a 20 gauge 870? Have one that I butchered when I was a kid, but now want it to be something fun for my girl to shoot, also a nightstand gun for her. Receiver is still good. Thinking about an 18" barrel and a +2 extender. Switch out the wooden pump with some polymer, but cant decide on stock. Standard polymer, pistol grip with shoulder stock, retractable, side fold, fold over. Its been a process to even find this stuff for a 20 but I did. Now I'm just not sure about what style and brand of furniture. She has no input. So wondering if any of you have tooled around and could either recommend or advise to stay away from any particular style or manufacturer. Thanks
Pete, I haven't done it yet, but I did talk to the this guy about building an 870 20. Problem with the 20 is the popular accessories don't fit, as you found out.
http://www.aiptactical.com/
This shop will make an 870 20 that takes the 12 accessories.
He only works on Remington shottys so he made be a good resource for you. Will also work on your shotgun.
My build was to start out as youth model for the shorter stock, but they can adapt several of the adjustable stocks to the fit the 20.
Post by: Pete7539 on January 06, 2013, 02:45:19 PM
Pete, I haven't done it yet, but I did talk to the this guy about building an 870 20. Problem with the 20 is the popular accessories don't fit, as you found out.
http://www.aiptactical.com/
This shop will make an 870 20 that takes the 12 accessories.
He only works on Remington shottys so he made be a good resource for you. Will also work on your shotgun.
My build was to start out as youth model for the shorter stock, but they can adapt several of the adjustable stocks to the fit the 20.
Thank you!
Post by: Henrycm on January 09, 2013, 09:43:21 PM
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Post by: Midnight Rider on January 09, 2013, 11:23:31 PM
This is my new baby... That I will be carrying with me... Sig p938 9 mm(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/10/bu5aqy6a.jpg)
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Let us know how it shoots...I have the P238. Good looking weapon...
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 10, 2013, 09:09:37 AM
Let us know how it shoots...I have the P238. Good looking weapon...My wife carries the P238, we both like the way it shoots.
I have been wanting to get a P938 for me to carry in the summer.
I have been looking for several months for a P938, and the one pictured is the one I want.
Post by: porthole on January 10, 2013, 11:43:35 AM
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ccw-concealed-carry-50-state/id443321291?mt=8
Post by: Henrycm on January 10, 2013, 12:00:14 PM
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Post by: Midnight Rider on January 10, 2013, 01:18:01 PM
My wife carries the P238, we both like the way it shoots.
I have been wanting to get a P938 for me to carry in the summer.
I have been looking for several months for a P938, and the one pictured is the one I want.
Yea, the P238 shoots great. Very accurate and low recoil for such a small gun. I have read equally good things about the P938...it's only slightly larger from the spec sheet, mostly a bit thicker, but only by a small amount.
If Academy stocks them, they generally have decent pricing. The usually only carry the base model though, so if you want two tone, or one of the other "colors", you'd have to go elsewhere. Black works just fine though...
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 11, 2013, 08:37:12 AM
Post by: mitch.smith on January 12, 2013, 04:59:26 PM
Post by: tlr on January 15, 2013, 12:20:23 PM
My wife carries the P238, we both like the way it shoots.
I have been wanting to get a P938 for me to carry in the summer.
I have been looking for several months for a P938, and the one pictured is the one I want.
I am also looking at the 238. I am not sure I can get used to carrying it cocked and loaded with that safety. I am a novice at best. In MA the 938 is not approved so thats a non starter unfortunately. I have been looking at the SW Bodyguard 380. Any other ideas. Thanks
Post by: miker on January 15, 2013, 07:22:46 PM
If you can't kill em with 5 of those you need a machine gun.
Post by: tlr on January 15, 2013, 07:47:42 PM
Ruger lcr in .38 spc...nice light carry, DA.
If you can't kill em with 5 of those you need a machine gun.
yes, a very nice piece. Also not available in MA however.
Post by: tlr on January 15, 2013, 08:31:45 PM
yes, a very nice piece. Also not available in MA however.
My bad. I just looked that up. I was thinking it was a different model. Very nice option. T
Post by: miker on January 16, 2013, 11:26:35 AM
I think the Mass peep hole compliance issue was fixed, you can see brass in the chamber on mine, ruger fixed it quickly, just like the drop fire issue.
22 mag wheels are fine too, just practice alot.
Post by: porthole on January 17, 2013, 01:15:55 PM
Glock 45
http://cdn2.cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=37086
Sig 45
http://cdn2.cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=37107
SA XDS 9
http://cdn2.cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=37136
Post by: BakedInMN on January 18, 2013, 07:45:51 PM
Post by: spada84 on January 18, 2013, 09:51:45 PM
yes, a very nice piece. Also not available in MA however.
You need to move! 8)
Post by: roadking71865 on January 19, 2013, 03:30:38 PM
Post by: Layin the Pipe on January 22, 2013, 06:57:55 PM
Post by: djkak on January 22, 2013, 07:31:56 PM
Being a person that likes modified big bore stuff, I found this thing is irresistible; although like a big inch, fat tire machine, the balance between form and function appears to favor its form…that’s ok, though. If you can’t manage enough control to hit the predator with one of the six rounds, the racket this thing makes should be enough to stun him or her long enough for you to walk over and beat them to death with it; she’s no friggin’ featherweight!
The external mods include a shortened 2.75”, magnaported barrel; “bobbed” hammer spur; ivory inlay rear sight; shotgun bead front sight; Parkerized frame; rosewood grips. Additionally, the yoke was modified with a ball detent mechanism. It seems to me that it would have been easier to have modified a 3” M-29; although that may not have worked out in the original plan for the gun…hard to say at this point.
Post by: djkak on January 22, 2013, 07:33:21 PM
In the last few years I’ve started shooting again, and I hope to make time to play with some of my old iron, and maybe pickup a new piece or two.
Post by: johnsachs on January 22, 2013, 08:21:33 PM
John
Post by: KennyC on January 23, 2013, 10:11:00 PM
Da JUDGE ................... ;)That .410's got a kick to it!! Bad news at close range!!
John
Post by: Henrycm on January 23, 2013, 10:16:57 PM
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Post by: mrmagloo on January 27, 2013, 09:51:24 AM
That .410's got a kick to it!! Bad news at close range!!
It's not as bad as you think.
Post by: Kent on January 27, 2013, 10:05:53 AM
Post by: MoChrome on January 27, 2013, 10:37:54 AM
Post by: Fired00d on January 27, 2013, 10:45:42 AM
I've been following this topic for a while and learned lots of good info. I'm looking at a Sig P238 and options for concealed carry. For those who carry, what's your preferred location... pocket, ankle, IWB? I'm kind of leaning toward pocket carry with something like a Uncle Mike's holster.Whatever is comfortable to/for you and you will consistently wear. The main/most important thing is it is easy to access, is consistently in the same location so you don't have to think about whether it is in this place or that. Next is practice, practice, practice drawing, aiming, and firing. And if you really want a challenge try some night shooting... you will really appreciate night sights after that.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: cvobiker on January 27, 2013, 11:02:47 AM
Post by: SBB on January 27, 2013, 11:29:25 AM
My brother Gordy picked up two very nice oldies yesterday from an older retired AF military gent he meet at a VFW function. The old fart told my brother that his days are numbered and he simply wanted to get his small collection to someone that would appreciate them.. Well, my brother Gordy is mighty proud and he'll take good care of these two fine pieces.
I'm sure that "old fart" served our country in his day. I would thank him for his time, effort and dedication to our country. I would be proud to own those guns because of who owned them in addition to the model they are. Just my honest opinion. Congrats on the acquisition.
SBB
Post by: grayghost731 on January 27, 2013, 01:25:41 PM
Whatever is comfortable to/for you and you will consistently wear. The main/most important thing is it is easy to access, is consistently in the same location so you don't have to think about whether it is in this place or that. Next is practice, practice, practice drawing, aiming, and firing. And if you really want a challenge try some night shooting... you will really appreciate night sights after that.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Well said :2vrolijk_21: EVERYTHING! If you have to think about it... It's to LATE
Practice alot (different scenarios,even drawing from the ground in case your attacked from behind)
It's all muscle memory, Do it alot and practice often ;) BTW when practicing falling and drawing
Make SURE weapon is NOT loaded :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: VaEagle on January 27, 2013, 07:09:48 PM
Whatever is comfortable to/for you and you will consistently wear. The main/most important thing is it is easy to access, is consistently in the same location so you don't have to think about whether it is in this place or that. Next is practice, practice, practice drawing, aiming, and firing. And if you really want a challenge try some night shooting... you will really appreciate night sights after that.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Excellent advice!
For those in uniform who carry on the hip the instructors try to get officers to carry in the same location off duty or when in plain clothes due to muscle memory. You also learn quickly from practice what locations work and which ones don't. How do you spend you day? Seated or standing etc? Just try to get a weapon out of a front pocket if you are seated, same problems in draw can come from ankle rigs especially when in a car. Some holsters with a flimsy clip can make it easy to draw not only the weapon but the holster as well under stress.
Holsters like in this link (they make ones for other models then Glock too.) allow you to have the weapon securely held in place,holster is secured with the design of the clip hooking on your belt, The reinforced mouth allows re-holstering easily and you can tuck in your t-shirt or sport shirt too. The leather also insulates the weapon from body oils and sweat and in the event you do fire your weapon you can re-holster it without burning yourself.
http://glockstore.glockstore.com/holsters-by-style/iwb-holsters/ultra-deep-cover-iwb-holster
Post by: cvobiker on January 27, 2013, 10:06:59 PM
I'm sure that "old fart" served our country in his day. I would thank him for his time, effort and dedication to our country. I would be proud to own those guns because of who owned them in addition to the model they are. Just my honest opinion. Congrats on the acquisition.
SBB
My term "old fart" is defiantly not said in disrespect for the old Gent's time, effort and dedication he gave to our country during the Korean war. If you've hung around VFW functions you learn these guys actually call each other 'old farts', so term 'old farts' is more VFW lingo 'per say'.. Anyway the Old Gent is 87 years old his first name is Warren. He lost is wife a few years back and has no immediate family. Gordy says that Warren is very quite when questioned about war stories but did learn he co-piloted C-46 supply crafts on missions during the Korean War and he took sharp metal injuries during one flight he thought he would not survive. Warren retired from the NWC in 1986 as an Ordinance Engineer, and he worked on the Sidewinder Missile team since the early 1960's. i asked Gordy about his 'days numbered' comment and Gordy say's there is nothing terminal going on with this gent, but rater all the 'old farts' hanging around the VFW say their days are numbered.. My brother Gordy is single guy, he is a member of the VFW and donates all his time for them. For many of the older Vets the VFW is all the family they have. And being somone speicial like my brother Gordy, you get a chance to meet some really fascinating people :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Boatman on January 28, 2013, 07:58:38 AM
Was looking at a P238 and bought one after reading Terry's (midnight rider)'s posts on the gun. Bought two of the extended mags for more area to hold on to when shooting. Easy to shoot with target ammo.. I'm not real accurate yet but just need to practice. Wife who has never shot either is much better than I am at this point. Might have created a monster.
Comes with a belt holster but Sig also makes a leather pocket holster that is molded to the shape of the gun and Uncle Mike and others make pocket holsters.
Any other first time buyers need to see if there is ammo available before purchasing as you are limited to (2) 50 round boxes at this point in Columbus. Could be a false demand to get higher prices but who knows.
(9MM is the cheapest to shoot at this point. You could buy 1000 rounds of 9mm target ammo for $220 (22 cents a round) and went up to $260 in a week. Gun stores want $17 a box (limit 2 boxes).. 380, 40, and 45 are a lot more.
In 6 months you will be glad you bought or it will pass over :nixweiss:..
Post by: Boatman on January 28, 2013, 08:08:10 AM
Here In Columbus, just about all of the 380's and 9mm have been bought up. You can still easily find 40 and 45's..
Some gun only stores don't even have time to answer the phone. 1000 rounds of 40 target ammo was $400.. All of the high capacity rifles are bought up.
Post by: cvobiker on January 28, 2013, 08:16:18 AM
FWIW-
Here In Columbus, just about all of the 380's and 9mm have been bought up. You can still easily find 40 and 45's..
Some gun only stores don't even have time to answer the phone. 1000 rounds of 40 target ammo was $400.. All of the high capacity rifles are bought up.
Around Sacramento just the opposite, .40 and .45 are off the shelfs, along with .223, 308's and 30/06. .380 and 9mm are plentiful. High Capacity rifles are long gone. Gun stores are actually calling customers they know that have them offering buy backs at twice they paid. I was called from a gun store with a double my money back offer for one of my AR-10's... Very tempting offer and still thinking about it.. :nixweiss:
Post by: UFO_HOG on January 28, 2013, 10:53:21 AM
Around Sacramento just the opposite, .40 and .45 are off the shelfs, along with .223, 308's and 30/06. .380 and 9mm are plentiful. High Capacity rifles are long gone. Gun stores are actually calling customers they know that have them offering buy backs at twice they paid. I was called from a gun store with a double my money back offer for one of my AR-10's... Very tempting offer and still thinking about it.. :nixweiss:
I found a Glock 22 .40cal at a gun show this weekend. Paid $100 more than I should have, but, it may have been the only chance I will have for a while, and I don't see them getting any cheaper anytime soon. Had to mail order ammo and paid $10 more a box than usual. But, again just happy to get it....
Post by: Boatman on January 28, 2013, 01:08:40 PM
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on January 28, 2013, 02:34:30 PM
Whatever is comfortable to/for you and you will consistently wear. The main/most important thing is it is easy to access, is consistently in the same location so you don't have to think about whether it is in this place or that. Next is practice, practice, practice drawing, aiming, and firing. And if you really want a challenge try some night shooting... you will really appreciate night sights after that.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Another challenge would be to fire your weapon (accurately) with your off hand. What if your dominant hand/arm is compromised could you still defend yourself. This is a requirement for my qualification level here in Oklahoma.
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 28, 2013, 02:59:15 PM
If I'm wearing my Fox Creek vest when riding it has a carry pocket built in which holds the Sig perfectly. I can even fit my Sig C3 in there, but it won't go quite all the way in. Won't fall out though.
This is what I use for the C3. Brigade Leather M-11 Custom
Post by: Rio on January 28, 2013, 05:00:02 PM
Post by: Boatman on January 28, 2013, 07:52:14 PM
Post by: digga25 on January 28, 2013, 08:14:18 PM
Post by: RussG69 on January 28, 2013, 08:30:56 PM
That is a SWEET holster!!! I have been on a waiting list for almost a year for one. I think it's gettin close :nixweiss:
Post by: Pete7539 on January 28, 2013, 09:32:26 PM
Another challenge would be to fire your weapon (accurately) with your off hand. What if your dominant hand/arm is compromised could you still defend yourself. This is a requirement for my qualification level here in Oklahoma.
Good suggestion. Also practice racking in knee-pit or on heel of boot. If you're forced to shoot with opposing hand you're more likely to have a stovepipe or similar malfunction. Practice will help to prevent it, but sometimes its not operator error and if you're down to one hand you need other means to clear your malfunction.
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on January 28, 2013, 09:53:49 PM
The p30l was partially designed and refined by no other than Larry Vickers. He has also been seen carrying one on many an occasion. When a world famous delta operator, 45 afficienado, 45 armorer for delta and sf teams carries a 9mm YOU KNOW IT IS A GREAT WEAPON!
I shot one on a couple occasions. 1 hole accurate, 100% reliable, good trigger, LOW RECOIL! Typical HK!
Check out David Bowie of Bowie Concepts. There are pictures there of Vickers P30's and mods you can do if you like to play with your pistols!
http://vickerstactical.com/
http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/
Post by: Rio on January 29, 2013, 09:14:05 AM
Anyone had any experience with a H&K P30(L) in 9MM?? Other than they cost a lot.
YES, $800 but its a fantastic gun. IMO, I think its a little heavy and the grip is too large to use as a concealed carry weapon. I like to use an inside the pants holster, I bought a S&W Shield and a Walther 380 for comfortable concealed carry. I just think the P30 is a little bulky for that, but then again, if you use a belt holster it may work. Either way, great gun, great balance, love the grip options, never jammed, never had any issues.
Post by: Talon on January 29, 2013, 11:36:34 AM
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 29, 2013, 02:45:01 PM
This is what I use for the C3. Brigade Leather M-11 Custom
That is a SWEET holster!!! I have been on a waiting list for almost a year for one. I think it's gettin close :nixweiss:
If you admire quality workmanship, it's worth the wait. I don't think I've ever seen more meticulous work and quality materials. I've got the matching IWB spare magazine (single) carrier too. I lucked out and caught him during a slow time a couple of years ago and got mine in about 3 months. He stays covered up with work...
Post by: BakedInMN on January 29, 2013, 03:20:17 PM
Anyone had any experience with a H&K P30(L) in 9MM?? Other than they cost a lot.
I don't have that particular model of H&K, but I do own three different H&Ks. All are EXTREMELY accurate and well worth the extra coin. I don't think you could go wrong with any H&K.
Post by: UFO_HOG on January 29, 2013, 08:09:38 PM
Post by: djkak on January 29, 2013, 09:13:55 PM
The night sights were pretty damn trick in their day; just like that clean low mileage ’76 FXE in the garage…sucks to get old!
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 29, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
Another blast from the past is this Pre ‘77 S&W M66. External mods are a magnaported barrel, tritium night sights, which are now dead of course, and a set of custom grips.
The night sights were pretty damn trick in their day; just like that clean low mileage ’76 FXE in the garage…sucks to get old!
Nice!!! :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: cvobiker on January 30, 2013, 08:43:01 AM
Post by: willymax4 on January 30, 2013, 01:29:08 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on January 30, 2013, 05:10:06 PM
Just purchased a 25 cal Colt Auto from a relative and went to my local Sportsman Warehouse to purchase some .25 rounds. It's been about 3 weeks since I was last there and within those 3 weeks Sportsman Warehouse became bone dry on particularly every ammo round with exception of some Hot Hunting rounds. And whatever they do have in stock, cost has Trippled. They had plenty of reloaders on shelves but short on bullets needed to complete a round. In talking with one of the floor mangers about this shortage, he said they are now bone dry on ammo and they have no idea when normal ammo flow will begin because our government now has priority on future ammo purchases. What?? I ask!, he responded, go home and Google "government purchasing ammo" . OK I did... And it seems he is 100% correct. - I don't want to start a rant on this subject but I do suggest you Google what I did... Please keep opinions off this board as it will get nicked real quick, but just read what you Google and stay informed. :2vrolijk_21:
Prices have definitely gone up, but I believe it is strictly due to demand from consumers. I did google the gov't purchase and most recent hit was an Alex Jones rant...
I don't think that his claims have anything to do with availability and pricing. People have been panic buying since the tragedy in Aurora out of fear in changes to legislation that would limit future purchases. The cost of ammo has consistently gone upward from that point at a higher rate as availability has gone down. Supply and demand. Colt AR's going for $3200, Bushmasters for $2800. All of it has gone through the roof.
Post by: D-N-D on January 30, 2013, 05:27:46 PM
Post by: grayghost731 on January 30, 2013, 05:31:57 PM
it's a joke I would never buy a gun at this time pricing is way too high wait it out and there will be a lot of people sell the guns cheap when they need cash.
I agree :2vrolijk_21: Wait for a nice Ex-wife of a Doomsday prepper to sell all HIS chit (cheap) ;)
Post by: cvobiker on January 31, 2013, 12:49:22 AM
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Here ya go.. Picked this up un-reg for $100 from a relative. I believe this one is around 40 yrs. this one will go on my carry list. Looking for an ankle holster now.
Post by: porthole on February 01, 2013, 12:22:41 PM
Da JUDGE ................... ;)
John
1 up - The Guv'ner.........
It's not as bad as you think.
This one is not really a one hander - too much kick, too little grip
Post by: djkak on February 01, 2013, 06:53:38 PM
Post by: spydglide on February 01, 2013, 07:33:28 PM
This was my first new gun purchase. I bought it in 1975 and it is still my favorite wheel gun. It’s not something that you are going to stuff in your waistband, but it’s the easiest handgun to shoot that I own.What a beauty! I look at them and lust after one, but the prices just keep going up, up, and up. Doesn't take a mass shooting to make these babies in that beautiful royal blue shoot up in value. Thanks for posting djkak. spyder
Post by: KennyC on February 01, 2013, 11:22:54 PM
This was my first new gun purchase. I bought it in 1975 and it is still my favorite wheel gun. It’s not something that you are going to stuff in your waistband, but it’s the easiest handgun to shoot that I own.I still have my first good hand gun purchase from the late 80's. It's a Ruger GP-100 357 Mag. Stainless, 6in barrel. Love it too!! My Ruger .44 Mag is pretty sweet too!!
Post by: miker on February 02, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
Post by: djkak on February 02, 2013, 07:00:56 PM
What a beauty! I look at them and lust after one, but the prices just keep going up, up, and up. Doesn't take a mass shooting to make these babies in that beautiful royal blue shoot up in value. Thanks for posting djkak. spyder
Speaking for myself, there are more trips to the gun dealer behind me than in front of me. I’m thinkin’ that if I had a little wood for a particular piece, I’d give some serious thought to making a spot for it in the collection…just sayin’...doooooooitt! :smilie_staub:
Post by: djkak on February 03, 2013, 12:25:32 AM
I still have my first good hand gun purchase from the late 80's. It's a Ruger GP-100 357 Mag. Stainless, 6in barrel. Love it too!! My Ruger .44 Mag is pretty sweet too!!
Let's have a peek at them!
:worthless:
Post by: KennyC on February 03, 2013, 11:50:50 AM
Let's have a peek at them!I agree, ever time I try to download pics I get info that says file is to large, from my camera I guess? I'll see if I can adjust the camera for a new picture. Just like the higher quality pics setting better.
:worthless:
Post by: KennyC on February 03, 2013, 11:59:04 AM
I agree, ever time I try to download pics I get info that says file is to large, from my camera I guess? I'll see if I can adjust the camera for a new picture. Just like the higher quality pics setting better.My Wheel Guns!
Post by: KennyC on February 03, 2013, 12:00:26 PM
My Wheel Guns!It worked!! :pepper: Finally posted a picture! Look out now!! ;D
Post by: porthole on February 03, 2013, 12:01:51 PM
Under the picture menu select "re-size" pick a number 1024 x 768 works good here and then save - "save as" if you want to keep the original untouched.
Post by: KennyC on February 03, 2013, 12:21:01 PM
Kenny, if you are using windows and saving your pictures on your PC, the fastest easiest way may be to find your picture, right click "open with" and select "Microsoft Office & Picture Manager".Thanks Duane, I'll try that.
Under the picture menu select "re-size" pick a number 1024 x 768 works good here and then save - "save as" if you want to keep the original untouched.
Post by: KennyC on February 03, 2013, 12:52:05 PM
Thanks Duane, I'll try that.Duane, I tried the resize suggestion on my profile picture and lost the one I had. Can't seem to get the picture to go in??
Post by: KennyC on February 03, 2013, 01:13:06 PM
Duane, I tried the resize suggestion on my profile picture and lost the one I had. Can't seem to get the picture to go in??Update: I got it figured out!! Thanks for your help Duane!!
Post by: djkak on February 04, 2013, 11:27:42 PM
My Wheel Guns!
Those are sweet!
I had a mini 22LR 5 shot revolver like yours, from North American Arms, and I managed to lose it sometime in the early '80's.
The big bore guns are a lot harder to misplace! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: djkak on February 04, 2013, 11:32:10 PM
After I caught the fever, a local Dealer made my day and helped me get the cure. As I remember back then, the market for these was pretty hot!
Post by: djkak on February 04, 2013, 11:34:59 PM
Post by: djkak on February 04, 2013, 11:37:11 PM
Post by: UFO_HOG on February 04, 2013, 11:45:06 PM
Post by: D-N-D on February 05, 2013, 06:09:16 AM
Post by: KennyC on February 05, 2013, 07:55:54 AM
This was my second new handgun purchase in 1976, a nickel M29-2.My Dad has one of those Bad Boys!! With a 6" barrel I think!
After I caught the fever, a local Dealer made my day and helped me get the cure. As I remember back then, the market for these was pretty hot!
Post by: UFO_HOG on February 05, 2013, 10:54:45 AM
Where did you get that Laser Site for that, I have the same gun I like to pick one up.
Got it directly from North American Arms. $99
Post by: djkak on February 05, 2013, 02:11:52 PM
My Dad has one of those Bad Boys!! With a 6" barrel I think!:2vrolijk_21:
Anyone wanna see some sweet pics of my Oldsmobile 98? :D
Post by: Pete7539 on February 05, 2013, 04:19:05 PM
Got it directly from North American Arms. $99
Was just gonna ask that, thanks! Love the grips too. I've got some pearl wannabe on mine. Thats gotta be custom, but I'd still like some wood on mine.
Disregard, found them on site, thanks
Post by: Pete7539 on February 05, 2013, 05:18:17 PM
Post by: D-N-D on February 05, 2013, 05:31:49 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on February 05, 2013, 06:09:27 PM
Anyone know?
Post by: VaEagle on February 05, 2013, 07:54:49 PM
Not 100% sure but that may be reason for not shooting .22LR in .22Mag revolver?
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on February 05, 2013, 11:54:53 PM
Post by: KennyC on February 06, 2013, 07:23:50 AM
:2vrolijk_21:Sure!! :)
Anyone wanna see some sweet pics of my Oldsmobile 98? :D
Post by: roadking71865 on February 13, 2013, 05:19:03 PM
I haven't shot my .22 mag often and still have a box of ammo for it. I also have 1000 rds of .22lr laying around and was wondering, is it ok to shoot this in magnum revolver? I would normally think no problem, but while looking at NAA website I see that they sell mag guns with optional different wheel for shooting LR.
Anyone know?
Pretty sure NO
Post by: VANAMAL on February 13, 2013, 09:29:03 PM
Id like one of these. 2000 bucks though. Anyone know where i could get one??
Thx vg
Post by: Eagle Eye on February 21, 2013, 08:16:23 PM
Double-barrel 1911 lands ATF approval, importation to begin in 2013......
The ATF has given Arsenal the green light to import their double-barreled, double-everything 1911. Arsenal turned a lot of heads a few months back when they announced their truly unique handgun, the AF2011-A1, but many assumed that the gun would never wind up for sale in the U.S., because it fires two cartridges with one pull of the trigger, making it a machine gun according to federal law.
Arsenal maintained that their double-trigger design, and matching pair of sears and hammers, would not raise the hackles of the gatekeepers of the guns, and they were right on the money. From their press release:
"The U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) has officially granted import permission and sale in the United States of America of the AF2011-A1 Second Century double-barrel pistol, with a total score of 120 Points, according to Form 4590.
"Arsenal Firearms Group proudly announces the official distribution to America of the whole line of double-barrel firearms and dedicated accessories starting on January 1, 2013, through the appointed U.S. Importer of Record, Apex International LLC of Middletown, CT and according to a 'Direct Dealer Distribution.'
"The Company wishes to take this opportunity to thank warmly the millions of followers, enthusiasts, and supporters in the United States of America and worldwide: they are part of the dream and indeed our main reason to be."
We can't help but be excited about this crazy handgun. Yes, it's ridiculous, we completely agree with that. It's 2 in. thick and weighs 4 lbs. unloaded. Even with a full set of magazines, it's got a capacity of 8+8+1+1 rounds, and it's probably going to cost a cubic foot of money. It's just… we're so surprised that this gun is going to even be available. How can we not want to get behind one?
Arsenal says that they will have a full line of firearms and accessories and they will launch all of it at the 2013 SHOT Show. This may mean just the AF2011-A1, but we hope it means their Second Century double 1911 chambered in .38 Super and also their highly-anticipated Strizh pistols.
Their Strizh, or Strike One, as they plan to market it in the U.S., is a truly 21st century handgun, a striker-fired pistol built on either a polymer or alloy frame designed for law enforcement and competition use. The Russian Ministry of Defense has already announced that they intend to retire the Makarov and replace it with the Strizh.
Arsenal is a joint Russian and Italian firm that's still just a couple of years old, but they have our attention to say the least. Their designs are innovative and promising, and the wait between now and SHOT Show is going to kill us. Har!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79744904%40N03/7411609232/
http://www.arsenalfirearms.com/products/af-2011-a1-double-barrel-pistol#
Post by: Crusty on February 22, 2013, 01:45:55 AM
I don't carry this one yet, but check this out:
Double-barrel 1911 lands ATF approval, importation to begin in 2013......
That is one sexy piece!! Can only imagine what it'll retail for.
Post by: D-N-D on February 22, 2013, 05:48:25 AM
Post by: mrmagloo on February 22, 2013, 10:43:20 AM
Post by: miker on February 22, 2013, 10:45:27 AM
Post by: ultrarider123 on February 22, 2013, 10:58:59 AM
Post by: D-N-D on February 22, 2013, 01:04:17 PM
I agree X2
Post by: Spiderman on February 23, 2013, 12:21:00 PM
Post by: Midnight Rider on February 23, 2013, 01:50:01 PM
Looking at a western style gunbelt/holster. I've checked some different suppliers on-line and they all seem to be made for 44 or 45 cal standard frame revolvers. Has anyone used this type of rig for a modern wide frame revolver ?
Here's one place: http://www.kirkpatrickleather.com/old-west
Another: http://www.cochiseleather.com/western-gun-holsters.aspx
Post by: skippy on February 23, 2013, 02:48:31 PM
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on February 23, 2013, 04:17:08 PM
http://www.tedblockerholsters.com/
Post by: Talon on February 24, 2013, 10:22:33 AM
Post by: Layin the Pipe on February 24, 2013, 01:55:13 PM
Post by: roadking71865 on February 25, 2013, 09:25:38 AM
Looking at a western style gunbelt/holster. I've checked some different suppliers on-line and they all seem to be made for 44 or 45 cal standard frame revolvers. Has anyone used this type of rig for a modern wide frame revolver ?
Ray @ Lobo Leathers
http://lobogunleather.com/13_model_5_belt_holster
Post by: muddypaws on February 25, 2013, 12:27:46 PM
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on February 25, 2013, 12:50:16 PM
What is the best holster for conceal and carry for a Glock 27. I'm a realtor and want to hide it as much a possible.
Muddypaws, the best holster depends on your body. You might want to look at a crossbreed supertuck IWB holster. They are very concealed very, comfortable and work for a lot of people. Milt sparks, Ted Blocker and many other reputable artisans also make excellent concealment holsters.
Post by: Pete7539 on February 25, 2013, 02:09:25 PM
What is the best holster for conceal and carry for a Glock 27. I'm a realtor and want to hide it as much a possible.
clipdraw with a safety block
http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=392&action=show_detail
http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=396&action=show_detail
Post by: HogRydr on February 25, 2013, 03:58:45 PM
Post by: Crusty on February 26, 2013, 01:56:21 AM
(http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/ArsenalFirearmsAF2011A1DoubleBarrelPistol33.jpg)
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on February 26, 2013, 07:25:33 AM
Added a Glock 32C .357 sig to my collection.
NICE...... :2vrolijk_21: How about a picture?
Post by: porthole on February 26, 2013, 08:56:23 AM
Can you shoot a box or two comfortably and still want to shoot more?
I have been trying to get a Springfield XDs locally but the pricing is either just ridiculous or they are not available.
There are 2 Kimber's at a local GS that are nearly unused that I am now considering.
Post by: miker on February 26, 2013, 09:17:16 AM
If I has said piece it would have around 3k through it.
It
Still @ 100 rounds per sesh and I
The sig 220
but it has the flashlight on it and is the house gun now..
Of course this could be just bullchit, guns scare me and I don't have any.
Post by: porthole on February 26, 2013, 09:38:25 AM
Post by: miker on February 26, 2013, 09:41:42 AM
Post by: porthole on February 26, 2013, 09:50:31 AM
Displacement - no replacement for displacement - guns cars or motorcycles :huepfenjump3:
Post by: miker on February 26, 2013, 09:57:17 AM
I heard bad things about the Springfield Serbian 45. I was all excited whenst they came around but luckily an early adopter pal bought one first...traded it right away for glock36, may be the first glock I buy, if I bought guns that is..
Post by: porthole on February 26, 2013, 10:06:40 AM
I heard bad things about the Springfield Serbian 45.
The XDs? I have heard nothing but praise over that one. But, I can't even hold one around here.
Post by: SBB on February 26, 2013, 10:10:40 AM
Well, if I had any, but I don't, because they are bad.
The sig 220I picked up in 2011I would have is alot smoother and eaiser
Of course this could be just bullchit, guns scare me and I don't have any.
I'm with you Mike.
But it looks like those Mass guys come prepared.
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
SBB
Post by: miker on February 26, 2013, 10:11:06 AM
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Post by: iski on February 26, 2013, 10:19:12 AM
Yes, especially where it is hot and humid...the LCP would be my preferred carry down here, I hear tell it fits in the front pocket nice..small cal but I would not one in the belly from it... ;)
Yeah, back before I decided to give all my guns away for a coupon for 1/2 off a movie ticket or maybe it was a ham sammich (?), that little LCP was nice & light & could have carried it anywhere - front pocket, back pocket, easy vest carry. Wish Ruger made a 9mm LCP - have seen the Diamondback in 9 but they want a lot of $$ for it - not for me of course but for anybody who doesn't use 1/2 off movie coupons or ham sammichs for protection.....
;D
Post by: miker on February 26, 2013, 10:23:16 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=330870788
Post by: ultrarider123 on February 26, 2013, 10:33:23 AM
SR9C Ruger
P238 Sig
Both shoot sweet but just nothing like my Taurus 357 I got in 1988. Love that gun
Post by: ultrarider123 on February 26, 2013, 10:34:58 AM
These are the stock photos from the Ruger and Sig websites respectively as I don't normally take pictures of my arsenal.
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on February 26, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
Those with Kimber Ultras for a year or two now. Fire more then 500 rounds through it?
Can you shoot a box or two comfortably and still want to shoot more?
I have been trying to get a Springfield XDs locally but the pricing is either just ridiculous or they are not available.
There are 2 Kimber's at a local GS that are nearly unused that I am now considering.
I have 2 Kimber Ultra CDP's and I love these pistols. I bought this gun instead of the Springfield XD because the Kimber came with night sites. I have shot 100 rounds at my range in one setting and had no problem. I have a speed loader for the magazine because I can't shove more than 5 rounds in the mag without assistance. You won't be disappointed in the Kimber. Very well made.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/8C7DCBD8-BD2B-48BA-A2AF-E71D60BCF98F-21680-00000602113BC3B7.jpg)
Post by: miker on February 26, 2013, 12:55:41 PM
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Post by: Eagle Eye on February 26, 2013, 04:05:21 PM
I believe this pistol to be one of the earlier production models, even though manufactured for 30 years. The tell is the acorn shaped ejector rod end on the later models as pictured in the article below.
http://www.collegehillarsenal.com/shop/product.php?printable=Y&productid=421
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/kenflauding/Pistolas/IMG_3830_zps9265cfd3.jpg)
Post by: Fired00d on February 26, 2013, 06:01:28 PM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on February 26, 2013, 06:02:59 PM
Thought the attached picture was appropriate for this thread. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Way cool Gary! I would love to get that on a poster.
Post by: Indenial on February 26, 2013, 06:09:21 PM
Post by: WestCoastRuss on February 26, 2013, 06:36:32 PM
http://qlinedesign.com/nightguard/
Post by: Pete7539 on February 26, 2013, 07:40:42 PM
Q-Line SafeGuard Shelving System
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pYqquG27pg
Post by: Georgehjr on February 26, 2013, 08:57:09 PM
Ruger LC9 – A New Pocket Pistol in 9mm
Today they announced the new LC9 polymer pocket pistol exclusively online at 2pm. You will not find an story on it in any print magazines today. It is still two weeks until SHOT Show, and by then it will be old news. Most remarkable is that the gun is actually shipping February 1, 2011, in like a month. In an industry where only a few years ago the print world ruled and you couldn’t get a gun for six months after it hit the magazines, this is a monumental approach that Ruger is using to launch a new product.
Post by: Georgehjr on February 26, 2013, 09:37:02 PM
Please note that this list is ALWAYS KEPT CURRENT and is updated only when states are added or
deleted. Recent Modifications include:
• February 4, 2013: Effective this date, PENNSYLVANIA will no longer honor a Florida concealed
weapon license if the license holder is not a RESIDENT of the state of Florida.
Post by: grayghost731 on February 26, 2013, 10:12:47 PM
Thought the attached picture was appropriate for this thread. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Love It ! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 27, 2013, 10:04:35 AM
Those with Kimber Ultras for a year or two now. Fire more then 500 rounds through it?
Can you shoot a box or two comfortably and still want to shoot more?
I have been trying to get a Springfield XDs locally but the pricing is either just ridiculous or they are not available.
There are 2 Kimber's at a local GS that are nearly unused that I am now considering.
I have a Kimber Ultra CDP. I have 1600 round of FMJ 230 grain through it. I have another 180 rounds of 230 +P hollow point through it. Became much more reliable after the first 300 rounds. I have put 100 through it in a day. My wife has put 50 through it in a day.
I was expecting it to be harder on the hand than it is, especially being short 3" barrel, short officers grip, and light aluminum. Rather nice to shoot, pretty accurate at self defense distances. No problem 21 to 30 feet out hitting bulls eye on human silhouette.
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on February 27, 2013, 10:08:13 AM
I have a Kimber Ultra CDP. I have 1600 round of FMJ 230 grain through it. I have another 180 rounds of 230 +P hollow point through it. Became much more reliable after the first 300 rounds. I have put 100 through it in a day. My wife has put 50 through it in a day.
I was expecting it to be harder on the hand than it is, especially being short 3" barrel, short officers grip, and light aluminum. Rather nice to shoot, pretty accurate at self defense distances. No problem 21 to 30 feet out hitting bulls eye on human silhouette.
X2. For a 3" barrel I felt it didn't kick anymore than my 9 mm M&P
Post by: Indenial on March 02, 2013, 12:38:00 AM
Post by: SG Racer on March 02, 2013, 01:09:14 AM
I have a Kimber Ultra CDP. I have 1600 round of FMJ 230 grain through it. I have another 180 rounds of 230 +P hollow point through it. Became much more reliable after the first 300 rounds. I have put 100 through it in a day. My wife has put 50 through it in a day.I have the same Kimber. Mine did shoot much better the more I shot it. It is a tack driver at short distance. I love it. When not at work, I carry it all the time. I carry a Glock 19 at work. It is a good gun too, but I love my Kimber.
I was expecting it to be harder on the hand than it is, especially being short 3" barrel, short officers grip, and light aluminum. Rather nice to shoot, pretty accurate at self defense distances. No problem 21 to 30 feet out hitting bulls eye on human silhouette.
Post by: VaEagle on March 02, 2013, 11:57:02 AM
Looking for a good quality pistol vault for under my seat of my truck (with a cable). What brands have worked for you guys?
You should check out this company, great products and the installed console vault is great...this link is for the portable model with cable like you asked for. The have great customer service and make many vaults for various vehicles.
http://www.consolevault.com/gun-transporter.html
Post by: porthole on March 09, 2013, 12:05:04 AM
Ever compare it to the compact Kimber's?
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Post by: Spiderman on March 20, 2013, 02:48:59 PM
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ?
2) 357 or 44 ?
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ?
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ?
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ?
Post by: SBB on March 20, 2013, 03:04:08 PM
Here's some questions to see what's popular these days
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ? I have both and have carried both at the same time.
2) 357 or 44 ? The wheel gun is 38.
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ? The semi auto is 357sig
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ? Bolt
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ? Pump
I would imagine what's popular is what we have.
I would like to have a 44 but wouldn't sell the 38 to get one.
I like a lever but hunting is with a bolt.
All the shotguns are pump but wouldn't mind a semi auto.
If I buy anything else it will be a drone killer. Not sure what that would take but it seems like something we may need.
You know, one shot, one kill!
What do you prefer?
SBB
Post by: RJ749 on March 20, 2013, 03:23:22 PM
Here's some questions to see what's popular these days
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ?
2) 357 or 44 ?
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ?
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ?
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ?
I have revolvers mostly but for carry semi 9. I do have a Desert Eagle 50 if you like big cal.
I have one 357 and 2 44's, but prefer the 357 for ease of shooting, I hunt with the 44 though in case I need the knock down power in an emergency.
As far as revolvers go for hunting I have a S&W 500 (.50 cal)revolver with a scope.
Here again I have multiples of each but have hunted with the levers in a long time staying with my Weatherby bolt actions.
Hunt with Beretta 390 semi and have a short 12gauge double barrel for home security.
Post by: Pete7539 on March 20, 2013, 06:48:40 PM
If I buy anything else it will be a drone killer. Not sure what that would take but it seems like something we may need.
SBB
Now you've got me thinking. May have to mod my Parrot Drone 1) shield it to protect from you, 2) arm it to take down other drones
I've got to get out to the tool shed and get to work :drink:
Post by: VaEagle on March 21, 2013, 01:41:00 AM
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ?
Revolvers can be simple to use with no slide releases ,decocking levers , safeties, or magazine releases to think about. revolvers have more small moving parts than a semi-auto and if they break it will take a gunsmith to fix. The round cylinder can dig into your body and be painful or bulge outward giving it away during concealed carry. many malfunctions with semi-autos are maintenance related or shooter induced misfeeds due to "limp wristing". So depending on use I would take a semi-auto over a revolver for ease of use, cleaning (remember one chamber vs. 5 or more in a revolver) and concealment.
2) 357 or 44 ?
357 is a good caliber and can take .38 spl ammo to give less recoil to shooter and savings in money. If you use .38 ammo in a .357 you must really scrub the carbon and lead from the ends of the chambers or it will build up and prevent you from feeding the longer .357 rounds fully causing problems. 44 is a powerful round and has great stopping power, downside is expensive ammo, much more recoil than a 357 so second and third shots are usually slower and you probably won't fire several hundred rounds at one time at the range. You could feed 44 special rounds in a 44 mag but watch out for the same carbon and lead buildup.
So I would say 357 is cheaper to buy and supply with ammo. It is smaller and easier to conceal compared to a 44 mag. Yet a 44 mag has superior round for round stopping power with a risk of over penetration.
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ?
9 mm , very popular caliber with a variety of ammo choices and can find in high capacity models. 40 caliber has more stopping power round for round but usually more expensive and harder to find ammo compared to 9mm. The 45 is a time proven man stopper and you don't have to be as finicky in selecting the right bullet weight or configuration (ball or hollow point etc.) Of course shot placement is more important than caliber but given a choice I want to hit my target with the largest bullet I can. I don't worry about super high magazine capacity since the average shooting in real life is only 2 or 3 rounds at short distances. You can find 14 or 15 shot 45's and if you need more ammo than that you have real problems.
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ?
Again as with all these questions "what is the intended use?" lever action 30-30s have put lots of deer on the dinner table for over 100 years. Yet you won't find many lever actions in use in modern military or target shooting. (except cowboy action shooting.) Bolt action rifles have a tighter more consistent bolt/chamber lockup so they are more accurate. A trained shooter can operate a bolt as fast as a lever action and have less sight alignment disturbance. There is a reason that most sniper rifles are bolt action. I know there are some exceptions with semi auto rifles though.
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ?
Pump action shotguns have been around a long time and function in most conditions and weather. They can be "short stroked" and cause a jam though so the shooter needs to practice to prevent that problem. Pump guns can be more forgiving about poor maintenance compared to a semi auto shotgun. A pump gun due to it's action can cause sight alignment disturbance so second or third shots can take a few seconds longer in an untrained shooter's hands. A semi auto shotgun if properly maintained can be very fast and accurate and in some cases due to an action's design the recoil can be absorbed a little compared to a pump gun.
Post by: KennyC on March 21, 2013, 09:53:25 PM
Here's some questions to see what's popular these daysMy choices above!!
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ? .40 Glock for hip......380 for pocket
2) 357 or 44 ? .44 Redhawk
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ? Got all three!! Love the .40 bestest! .45 close second....the 9's the wifes
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ? Bolt usually
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ? Remington 11-87, 12 gauge semi
Post by: Spiderman on March 22, 2013, 12:27:19 PM
I do have a Desert Eagle 50 if you like big cal.
As far as revolvers go for hunting I have a S&W 500 (.50 cal)revolver with a scope.
Gawd Rog, those have gotta weigh something
I posed the questions because a friend out here in SoCal was saying nobody carres revolvers anymore. It's all about weight blah blah blah, so I thought I'd see what others were thinking. The issue on lever/bolt came about after watching a episode of Wild West Alaska in which they were designing and building a new and improved lever action rifle
B B
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on March 22, 2013, 12:55:48 PM
Gawd Rog, those have gotta weigh something
I posed the questions because a friend out here in SoCal was saying nobody carres revolvers anymore. It's all about weight blah blah blah, so I thought I'd see what others were thinking. The issue on lever/bolt came about after watching a episode of Wild West Alaska in which they were designing and building a new and improved lever action rifle
B B
Not saying I actually have any of these, but...
I would not carry a revolver... takes far too long to reload. Better to carry a .40 cal S&W Chief's Special semi-auto loaded with 180 grain Speer Gold Dot hollow points in a Crossbreed ITW holster... with an extra mag.
It would be good to have a J-Frame SS S&W 5-shot .357 in the nightstand, loaded with Hornady Critical Defense Rounds.
It would be good to have a Mossberg Model 500 pump action 12 gauge with a pistol grip leaning against the headboard, loaded with #4 buckshot 3" rounds... one in the chamber and five in the tube.
And it would also be good to have three dogs on the property to give advance warning of any unexpected "visitors"...
Just sayin'... :rifle:
Post by: VaEagle on March 22, 2013, 02:51:47 PM
http://www.ruggedgear.com/
They have several versions of ways to transport guns, archery equipment etc..
I guess it could be used to take you kid or grandkid for a stroll in a bad neighborhood too. His first word may be "shotgun!" though. :huepfenlol2:
Post by: Spiderman on March 22, 2013, 06:42:18 PM
Not saying I actually have any of these, but...
I would not carry a revolver... takes far too long to reload. Better to carry a .40 cal S&W Chief's Special semi-auto
I respectfully disagree. The SW40 has about as much punch as a 12yr old girl (in my opinion)
B B
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on March 22, 2013, 06:57:22 PM
I respectfully disagree. The SW40 has about as much punch as a 12yr old girl (in my opinion)
B B
To each their own. A 180 grain .40 cal hollow point has plenty of takedown power. And will do a lot of damage on the way through. It ain't a .44 nor .45 ACP though.
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on March 22, 2013, 07:57:58 PM
Here's some questions to see what's popular these days
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ?
2) 357 or 44 ?
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ?
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ?
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ?
1) When formal wear is necessary glock 36-45acp. Otherwise, taurus model 85 5 shot loaded with 110hp's or taurus 5 shot 4inch 44 mag.
2) 44 mag with FRAGILE 180grn hp's at HIGH VELOCITY!
3) 9mm if high high velocity frangible or hp ammo is available, Otherwise 45acp with hydrashocks or 185grn+p Remington golden sabers
4) under 100 yards, lever action in 44mag, 30-30 or 45-70 with open or peep sights. Over 100 yards-bolt action peeps or scope
5) Mossberg 590 or Remington 870 in Life or Death... Purely based on experience. 00 or 000 with 2 3/4 cylinder bore or patternmaster full choke
depending on location of fight.
Could possibly substitute ak based 12ga or Benelli/Beretta/HK 12Ga in a pinch, maybe properly kitted mossberg 930?
BTW defensive pistolcraft by definition almost certainly means 21 feet... 7 yards! Try claiming self defense beyond 21 feet! Good Luck! I suggest
consulting Massad Ayoob!
Claiming that any modern hp from 327 fed on up won't cleanly kill in 21 feet is problematic. Actual shootings show how well modern hp's work
since the hydra shock changed the game 20+ years ago! There is a reason we call it a gun fight you are going to shoot more than once regardless
of caliber and keep shooting until the assailant CAN'T!
ANY modern hp in 327fed, 380acp, 9mm mak, 38spl, 9mm, 40sw, 45acp, 357sig, 357mag, 10mm, 41mag, 44mag will ABSOLUTELY finish the
fight at least 85%-93% of the time with 1 shot! That goes up to 97%-99% of the time with a centermass double tap!
IF the centermass is not slowing down the bad guy fast enough for you then man up and make the headshot! Or carry a 12 gauge or 5.56 with
3000fps 40 grain frangible hp's. Those are the only true 99.9% 1 shot stops!
It is all about:
1. How fast you can accurately place that FIRST shot. (AND put a second one close by!)
2. How quickly the assailants blood pressure drops. (DIRECTLY related to temporary/permanent soft tissue disruption/destruction creating shock)
3. Have you disrupted the assailants will to live? Sometimes the head shot is the only option to cease hostilities.
Post by: Spiderman on March 22, 2013, 09:46:24 PM
To each their own. A 180 grain .40 cal hollow point has plenty of takedown power. And will do a lot of damage on the way through. It ain't a .44 nor .45 ACP though.
I couldn't put a hole in a 20lb propane cylinder with an SW40. An Colt 45 went through nice and clean and left a hole the size of a grapefruit on the opposite side. 44 magnum even bigger on the opposite side. All three using hollowpoints I figure living in the woods if somebody's breakin into my barn I may be shooting at them through the side of a pickup. And I'm not concerned whether or not it's self defense. I'm shooting to punch their engine and then hold em for the cops at that point. My problem isn't people wanting to kill me, it's people wanting to steal from me.
Post by: 2k on March 22, 2013, 10:30:03 PM
Here's some questions to see what's popular these days1) Semi
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ?
2) 357 or 44 ?
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ?
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ?
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ?
2) Why?
3) 45
4) 40 yr old 30/06 BAR
5) 3 pumps..4 Semi's
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on March 22, 2013, 11:00:00 PM
I couldn't put a hole in a 20lb propane cylinder with an SW40. An Colt 45 went through nice and clean and left a hole the size of a grapefruit on the opposite side. 44 magnum even bigger on the opposite side. All three using hollowpoints I figure living in the woods if somebody's breakin into my barn I may be shooting at them through the side of a pickup. And I'm not concerned whether or not it's self defense. I'm shooting to punch their engine and then hold em for the cops at that point. My problem isn't people wanting to kill me, it's people wanting to steal from me.
Hard to argue with real test results!
I plan to upgrade to a compact .45 ACP at some point... But I am more concerned with self defense than some one stealing from me. Not many crooks out on the street are wearing armor like a propane tank, and the .40 cal has no problem penetrating bodies. Plus, I just want the round to go through the bad guy and then stop before going through a wall, a car, and someone else!
We live at the very end of a very long cul-de-sac that most people don't even know is there, and most people would not know my driveway is even there either. You can even see my house from the road. We have 8 acres of thick woods, and our house is down a long winding 500' driveway from the street. Someone would have to be working really hard to know our house is even here, much less get to it... and the dogs will let me know they are coming long before they can even see anything. I'll be ready for 'em... I pretty much always carry on my property, too. Didn't used to, but I do now.
Ken
Post by: pwatson on March 23, 2013, 12:19:14 AM
Post by: 2k on March 23, 2013, 07:45:40 AM
Hard to argue with real test results!
I plan to upgrade to a compact .45 ACP at some point... But I am more concerned with self defense than some one stealing from me. Not many crooks out on the street are wearing armor like a propane tank, and the .40 cal has no problem penetrating bodies. Plus, I just want the round to go through the bad guy and then stop before going through a wall, a car, and someone else!
We live at the very end of a very long cul-de-sac that most people don't even know is there, and most people would not know my driveway is even there either. You can even see my house from the road. We have 8 acres of thick woods, and our house is down a long winding 500' driveway from the street. Someone would have to be working really hard to know our house is even here, much less get to it... and the dogs will let me know they are coming long before they can even see anything. I'll be ready for 'em... I pretty much always carry on my property, too. Didn't used to, but I do now.
Ken
Anytime you live in a one-way in, one-way out place you have detered 98% of the crooks.
Post by: charles05663 on March 23, 2013, 12:01:27 PM
I couldn't put a hole in a 20lb propane cylinder with an SW40. An Colt 45 went through nice and clean and left a hole the size of a grapefruit on the opposite side. 44 magnum even bigger on the opposite side. All three using hollowpoints I figure living in the woods if somebody's breakin into my barn I may be shooting at them through the side of a pickup. And I'm not concerned whether or not it's self defense. I'm shooting to punch their engine and then hold em for the cops at that point. My problem isn't people wanting to kill me, it's people wanting to steal from me.
If you need to punch through metal then these are the rounds to get:
http://www.hornady.com/store/40-S-and-W-175-gr-FlexLock-Critical-DUTY/
They were designed for the FBI to penetrate cars doors and windshields.
:soapbox: :oops:
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on March 23, 2013, 12:23:06 PM
If you need to punch through metal then these are the rounds to get:
http://www.hornady.com/store/40-S-and-W-175-gr-FlexLock-Critical-DUTY/
They were designed for the FBI to penetrate cars doors and windshields.
:soapbox: :oops:
Only if they weren't unobtanium around here! Gonna check a few outlets today tho...
Post by: 16HD117 on April 30, 2013, 04:02:29 PM
Nighthawk Custom Predator
The CVO of 1911's!
http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/pistols/predator-family/predator.html
Post by: 16HD117 on April 30, 2013, 04:03:13 PM
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Post by: 16HD117 on April 30, 2013, 04:04:15 PM
Post by: Master Guns on April 30, 2013, 04:33:14 PM
And I'm not concerned whether or not it's self defense. I'm shooting to punch their engine and then hold em for the cops at that point. My problem isn't people wanting to kill me, it's people wanting to steal from me.
The statement you made concerns me in the fact that if you are not shooting in a valid self defense situation, you could very easily end up in the paddy wagon with the bad guys. I also know that every state is different in regards to 'make my day laws'. Here is an article you may want to look at: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/08/community-rallies-behind-homeowner-arrested-for-shooting-at-burglar/
Post by: TinSpinner on April 30, 2013, 10:27:24 PM
My newest toy!
Nighthawk Custom Predator
The CVO of 1911's!
Those Nighthawks are sweet. Right on par with my Kimber Custom II 1911 full frame but for a CW I prefer my Kimber Super Carry or G23.
Post by: porthole on May 01, 2013, 12:56:41 AM
Those Nighthawks are sweet. Right on par with my Kimber ......
:nixweiss: how's that :nixweiss:
Post by: miker on May 01, 2013, 07:18:42 AM
Post by: 16HD117 on May 01, 2013, 08:50:02 AM
Those Nighthawks are sweet. Right on par with my Kimber Custom II 1911 full frame but for a CW I prefer my Kimber Super Carry or G23.
You ever shoot a Nighthawk?
Post by: TinSpinner on May 01, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
You ever shoot a Nighthawk?
I have not so I guess it's not a fair assumption on my part that it is on par with a Kimber. The Nighthawks are sweet guns and highly acclaimed but my Kimber shoots better than I do so it would be tough for me to justify that big of a step up.
Post by: mrmagloo on May 01, 2013, 04:42:47 PM
Post by: 16HD117 on May 01, 2013, 04:48:40 PM
I think he meant Wilson Combat. ;)
Nice guns!
:2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on May 01, 2013, 07:20:07 PM
Ferrari, Lamborghini, McClaren all come to mind...
The best of the best.
Post by: porthole on May 01, 2013, 09:19:25 PM
I think he meant Wilson Combat. ;)
Nice guns!
:2vrolijk_21:
H'mmm, where did the Nighthawk folks get their start?
Having tried a Kimber, Wilson and Nighthawk, you really have to be "into" it to appreciate the NH. Still trying to convince #1 son that his custom NH would be better off at my house then buried in his safe.
One of the big cheese's at NH built it for him after multiple problems with his WC. Guess it helps they are buddies and do the Blackhawk stuff together.
Post by: mrmagloo on May 02, 2013, 10:58:33 AM
If I was to rank them, I'd still give Bill the nod, then NK, then LB. Baer makes a nice pistol but his CS is no where near the other two. I saw a 2 month old USA Custom at an ADPA meet where the slide firing pin face was pitting where the cartridge seated. The guy sent it in, and it was sent back with a note that it's normal, to live with it. I would have gone bonkers.
That all said, again we are talking about the Ferrari's out there, and certainly you can get an awesome Kimber or Springer for a fraction of the cost that will still shoot better than you can and do the job just as well. Kind of like getting a CVO. Sure there's lots of stuff out there that can probably do the job better, for much less money, but if you want the best of the best, it's gonna cost you. That's what customs are all about.
Post by: MooseAmos on May 02, 2013, 04:48:45 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on May 07, 2013, 08:38:38 PM
Those Nighthawks are sweet. Right on par with my Kimber Custom II 1911 full frame but for a CW I prefer my Kimber Super Carry or G23.
:nixweiss: how's that :nixweiss:Exactly.
Kimber is a nice gun, I have a couple and love my Ultra CDP kimber.
however it is not in the same league as my Les Baer Stinger or either of my Ed Brown's. The Nighthawks are more in line with the Baer and Browm.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on May 07, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
Must add that I think the NH is a great full size 1911 but I'd argue perhaps none of their .45's are "compact"/ideal for carry as compared to an Springfield XDS or as mentioned below a Kimber Custom UCDP II--especially when you compare weight & capacity between these 3. Having said that, I have a number of full size high capacity .45's (e.g. Springfield XDM; FNH FNX Tactical; Charles Daly; HK USP; etc) stationed throughout my home as well as in my vehicles for defense/backup to my carry weapons. :2vrolijk_21: JMHO & 2-cents worth...Cheers, Moose
My Ultra CDP II is my summer carry, great gun. Reliable and accurate especially for a 3" barrel.
However my Winter carry, my Stainless steel Les Baer Stinger is far more accurate, and has never had a single hick up.
Yes I have XD's and FNH 45 also.
I prefer a 1911.
The Stinger is my favorite for carry, but a bit to big and heavy for summer.
For flat out shooting either my Brown Special Forces or my Brown Centennial Elite.
Comparing them to a Kimber is like comparing a Chevy to a MB. Totally different leagues even if they are the same item.
Post by: napalm on May 07, 2013, 10:14:26 PM
Four more years and we'll be Maryland NON resindents!!!
napalm
Post by: spydglide on May 15, 2013, 10:23:11 AM
Post by: SBB on July 21, 2013, 08:41:58 PM
Have been considering one of these two guns.
I'm sure there are a thousand opinions about other guns but was wanting opinions on these two.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765772_-1_757892_757752_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
or this one,
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766382_-1_757893_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
Which one is more accurate?
Is the laser easy to use.
Which one is easiest to conceal carry?
Is 38 ammo easier to get than 380 ammo?
Pro's or con's of each please.
Thanks
SBB
Post by: 2k on July 21, 2013, 10:24:31 PM
Post by: Screamin on July 21, 2013, 10:33:06 PM
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_809560_-1_780153_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_770006_-1_757954_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
Post by: VaEagle on July 22, 2013, 08:52:59 AM
They seem to make so many subcompact 9mm ,40 cal , 357 sig and 45acp that I don't see the advantage to a 380 anymore (it is a 9mm short and has less stopping power and you need the right bullet configuration to have best results).
I know the old adage about a hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .44 but if you can hit something with a faster and heaver round you should consider it. Remember you want to stop the other person's aggressive actions against you or a loved one as soon as possible. The 45acp like used in a Glock model 36 does the job well and you can use about any round in that caliber to do the job of self defense (no need to shop for the latest whiz bang round that may be hard to find.)
Post by: D-N-D on July 22, 2013, 01:10:40 PM
Post by: mrmagloo on July 22, 2013, 03:40:32 PM
Post by: Rio on July 22, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
I would suggest that if you're looking for a good compact sized carry, get yourself a S&W Shield instead of the Bodyguards. With the larger mag, it fits the had well, and the 9MM, has way more stopping power than the .380 (AKA 9MM short) or .38. The Shield is the only carry gun I've considered other than my preferred 1911 Ultra/Pro which can get a little heavy after a while.
I highly recommend the S&W Shield too! Finest 9MM carry pistol (for the money) IMO. My brother lives in Illinois and he has the Body Guard with the laser which is kind of funny, but and he loves it? Probably becasue he can only use it at the range , Illinois is still a good year away from making CPL legal? I have a 380 loaded with hallows, I think it has plenty of stopping power as would most guns if you know how to use it :nixweiss: Based on where I am going, I actually carry my 380 more often than my 9mm simply because its easier to conceal and its lighter. Can't go wrong with the Shield!
Post by: SneakyPete on July 22, 2013, 05:53:13 PM
I highly recommend the S&W Shield too! Finest 9MM carry pistol (for the money) IMO. Can't go wrong with the Shield!
X3! Very concealable weapon with either OWB/IWB holsters :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: HDultraDad on July 22, 2013, 06:22:59 PM
Post by: SBB on July 22, 2013, 09:46:22 PM
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766382_-1_757893_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
SBB
It appears to be two models of the gun above.
One is the regular and the other is MA compliant.
What is the difference between those two?
:nixweiss:
SBB
Post by: 05Train on July 22, 2013, 10:14:55 PM
Post by: 16HD117 on July 23, 2013, 08:16:34 AM
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764939_-1_757768_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
Post by: naitram on July 23, 2013, 08:32:48 AM
It appears to be two models of the gun above.
One is the regular and the other is MA compliant.
What is the difference between those two?
:nixweiss:
SBB
heavier trigger pull
Post by: SBB on July 23, 2013, 08:51:53 AM
heavier trigger pull
For the MA?
Post by: Screamin on July 23, 2013, 09:14:58 AM
For the MA?
Yes. 10# pull for Mass.
Post by: charles05663 on July 23, 2013, 10:19:47 AM
Chip, as others have stated the HK45C and Springfield XDS 45 are great carry guns but if you're stuck on a wheel gun check out the S&W 340PD. Barrel length is the same as the Bodyguard but overall length is shorter and it's THREE ounces lighter. Frame is made of scandium alloy and cylinder is titanium alloy. Fiber optic sight.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764939_-1_757768_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
I was looking at this gun for my wife. I have fired that gun both with .38 and .357's. The .38's kicked like a b**tch and the .357 was down right painful. While it would be a nice gun to carry, I would not want to practice with it.
I ended up getting my wife an .40 Cal XD/M. If Springfield comes out with a .40 Cal XD/S, I would end up with that. The autos are nice as it absorbs the recoil.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: VANAMAL on July 23, 2013, 10:28:01 AM
Post by: Pete7539 on July 23, 2013, 02:36:52 PM
Post by: Rio on July 23, 2013, 02:41:17 PM
When riding I have a HK Compact 45 USP on the hip. Concealed, I carry a Colt Mustang 380.
I think the H&K is the finest handgun I have ever fired. I had a P30 and I loved it, but the handle was too long for carry and the gun was heavy with a full clip, I ended up trading it in on the S&W Shield for carry purposes.
Post by: naitram on July 23, 2013, 03:07:38 PM
Doesn't MA also have to have a loaded chamber indicator?
not sure
Post by: Pete7539 on July 23, 2013, 03:30:14 PM
not sure
I thought that was what made a MA compliant gun(necessary if made after certain date, might've had to show color on indicator), I could be wrong. Just thought I read it somewhere, didn't stick because I don't reside there. I know Glock is buying back a lot of gov't issued 9mm's so they can upgrade to .40 at a deep discount. Glock was intending to polish up the 9's and sell them in states they were not allowed to before. These older gen 3's were made before whatever date and only required chamber indicator which all glocks have, just not painted red or orange or whatever the magical safe color is.
Post by: Screamin on July 23, 2013, 03:41:43 PM
Doesn't MA also have to have a loaded chamber indicator?
Yes but not too sure how that'd work out on a revolver. :-)
Post by: HDultraDad on July 23, 2013, 08:24:08 PM
I think the H&K is the finest handgun I have ever fired. I had a P30 and I loved it, but the handle was too long for carry and the gun was heavy with a full clip, I ended up trading it in on the S&W Shield for carry purposes.
True. The HK can be a bit heavy.
Post by: WestCoastRuss on October 07, 2013, 01:07:12 AM
Post by: TinSpinner on October 07, 2013, 09:20:25 AM
Oh my.....
Dang it! I told my housekeeper no pictures!
Actually I think that was Charlton Heston's collection
Post by: Pete7539 on October 07, 2013, 11:26:28 AM
Actually I think that was Charlton Heston's collection
Yup :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: ridefar on October 09, 2013, 11:06:28 AM
Post by: Pete7539 on October 09, 2013, 06:29:38 PM
You can only see about half of it in this picture! There was also a range right off that room-vault. A wall full of real Thompsons, a wall full of real BAR's...oh my!
Yes I'd give up my next of kin to be his lol. Oh what a will
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on October 12, 2013, 12:16:43 AM
Shooter -no
Post by: porthole on October 16, 2013, 02:17:45 PM
http://www.sneakypeteholsters.com/
Post by: Pete7539 on October 16, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
I might try it for my diamondback, but a Glock 27 no way. They're a huge "compact" as it is. I don't know how much smaller any compact .45 could be(other than a doubletap), but as far as I know once you go beyond .380 you're really out of the compact size range. It would look like a cell phone holder for the old Motorola brick phone. Still concealed while at the same time readily accessible, but man would that thing stick out.
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on October 16, 2013, 02:57:48 PM
Post by: Pete7539 on October 16, 2013, 03:09:52 PM
Isn't compact 45 a oxymoron?
Afraid so, unless there's some new magic material they can make them out of. Any smaller and they'd have a life expectancy of maybe two magazines, and that's if it doesn't grenade upon the first fire.
Post by: ffltjeff on October 16, 2013, 04:15:30 PM
Post by: dlaws01 on October 16, 2013, 04:59:23 PM
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on October 16, 2013, 05:22:05 PM
I've never had any issues carrying my Custom Shop Kimber Stainless Covert in .45ACP. It has the officers size frame with a combat commander size slide, single stack magazine holds 7 rounds. Loaded with Cor-Bon 230 grain pre-fragmented jacketed hollow points with +P powder load, it can get just a little heavy on the hip by the end of the day. However, for concealment purposes, it hides very well under a loose T-shirt. I took off the ambidextrous thumb safety and put on the single thumb safety because almost every holster I tried would undo the left handed safety and that scared me some. Also installed the "memory" grip safety and an arched main spring housing to better fit the palm of my hand. Been considering the Crimson Trace Laser grips but really don't want to get where I'm relying on a red dot to aim. Kinda wished I had gone with a model with an aluminum frame to reduce the overall weight a little but the stainless frame doesn't add too much difference in weight.
Nice pistol :2vrolijk_21:
I really like my Kimber
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/86A0DC09-BB46-48A4-AED8-A7D5912DCB1B-19839-000005602882D995.jpg)
Post by: spydglide on October 16, 2013, 06:47:19 PM
I've never had any issues carrying my Custom Shop Kimber Stainless Covert in .45ACP. It has the officers size frame with a combat commander size slide, single stack magazine holds 7 rounds. Loaded with Cor-Bon 230 grain pre-fragmented jacketed hollow points with +P powder load, it can get just a little heavy on the hip by the end of the day. However, for concealment purposes, it hides very well under a loose T-shirt. I took off the ambidextrous thumb safety and put on the single thumb safety because almost every holster I tried would undo the left handed safety and that scared me some. Also installed the "memory" grip safety and an arched main spring housing to better fit the palm of my hand. Been considering the Crimson Trace Laser grips but really don't want to get where I'm relying on a red dot to aim. Kinda wished I had gone with a model with an aluminum frame to reduce the overall weight a little but the stainless frame doesn't add too much difference in weight.You'd be surprised how a few ounces less w/ the light-weight frame makes a difference when carrying all day.....but, not enough to give up the .45 for smaller caliber. Everything is a 'compromise', isn't it?
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on October 16, 2013, 08:51:35 PM
You'd be surprised how a few ounces less w/ the light-weight frame makes a difference when carrying all day.....but, not enough to give up the .45 for smaller caliber. Everything is a 'compromise', isn't it?
A handgun is a compromise, a rifle is to large to carry :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: spydglide on October 16, 2013, 09:05:09 PM
A handgun is a compromise, a rifle is to large to carry :2vrolijk_21:Definitely, easier......buy, my Dad rode his '39 Knucklehead back and forth across the USA & Mexico with a shotgun in a scabbard on the front forks/handlebar. Back when. ;) har. spyder
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on October 16, 2013, 09:15:59 PM
Post by: 05Train on October 16, 2013, 10:55:50 PM
I don't like surprises.
Post by: SG Racer on October 17, 2013, 03:09:46 AM
Nice pistol :2vrolijk_21:
I really like my Kimber
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/86A0DC09-BB46-48A4-AED8-A7D5912DCB1B-19839-000005602882D995.jpg)
Me Too. Love my Kimber. It is a tack driver.
Post by: porthole on October 17, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
XDS
My XDS is in a box and going to FedEx today for the recall.
SA just announced the repair is good to go and they have parts. And some will be getting a free 7 round mag with extension as a bonus.
Post by: spydglide on October 17, 2013, 11:00:23 AM
My XDS is in a box and going to FedEx today for the recall.Do you know what the criteria is for the bonus mag being awarded?
SA just announced the repair is good to go and they have parts. And some will be getting a free 7 round mag with extension as a bonus.
Post by: porthole on October 17, 2013, 03:34:03 PM
Do you know what the criteria is for the bonus mag being awarded?
No criteria listed. It may be just for those that sent the items in when first announced and then they all sat on the shelf while SA made sure it worked.
Post by: spydglide on October 17, 2013, 06:19:46 PM
No criteria listed. It may be just for those that sent the items in when first announced and then they all sat on the shelf while SA made sure it worked.Was just wondering, 'cause Rabbi sent his in before MV and is still waiting. Maybe he'll get a free mag out of it. har. spyder
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on October 17, 2013, 10:00:17 PM
Was just wondering, 'cause Rabbi sent his in before MV and is still waiting. Maybe he'll get a free mag out of it. har. spyder
My XDS is in a box and going to FedEx today for the recall.
SA just announced the repair is good to go and they have parts. And some will be getting a free 7 round mag with extension as a bonus.
So, I assume you guys like your XDS pieces? I carry a .40 cal S&W Chief's Special (CS40) that is fairly easy to conceal and has a safety/decocker - but I really like the XDS and would like to move up to a .45 ACP "big boy" gun...
Word is they are expecting to begin shipping back to customers on Oct 21.
Ken
Post by: 05Train on October 18, 2013, 05:30:06 AM
So, I assume you guys like your XDS pieces? I carry a .40 cal S&W Chief's Special (CS40) that is fairly easy to conceal and has a safety/decocker - but I really like the XDS and would like to move up to a .45 ACP "big boy" gun...Yes, it's a nice little gun. It's a bit unwieldy as a range gun, but it wan't designed to be.
Word is they are expecting to begin shipping back to customers on Oct 21.
Now that they have a fix, I guess I need to send mine back.
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on October 18, 2013, 10:20:53 AM
Yes, it's a nice little gun. It's a bit unwieldy as a range gun, but it wan't designed to be.
Now that they have a fix, I guess I need to send mine back.
Yeah, you need to. There are probably quite a few people in line ahead of you though!
What do you mean when you say it's unwieldy as a range gun? Is it difficult to see down the sights?
Ken
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on October 19, 2013, 01:07:51 AM
Minimum standard? Present your concealled firearm and fire a controlled pair in the thoracic cavity in less than 1.5 second from 7 yards.
Anything less than that. Don't carry. You are not proficient and will shot an innocent bystander.
Seriously, this is the MINIMUM.
Post by: Vagabond6542 on October 19, 2013, 04:14:21 AM
Always loaded with Hornady ZOMBIE MAX 40 S&W 165 gr Z-MAX
Muzzle= 1175 fps 50 yds.= 1066 fps 100 yds.= 990 fps
Read up on some of the 45 ACPs' posts.
The above mentioned 740 with 40 cal. going through a 3.2" barrel is as bad as 1911 45 on recoil.
Not to be taken lightly, so I found out with the first 50 FMJs'
There is an adjustment time needed when the last time someone hasn't fired a top slide weapon in 50 years.
Just passing it along.
Post by: porthole on October 19, 2013, 09:32:12 PM
Was just wondering, 'cause Rabbi sent his in before MV and is still waiting. Maybe he'll get a free mag out of it. har. spyder
I just got an email from SA saying they upped the production and staffing and would start mailing out retro pieces on Monday.
Post by: porthole on October 19, 2013, 09:35:12 PM
What do you mean when you say it's unwieldy as a range gun? Is it difficult to see down the sights?
Ken, Sights are good.
Unwieldy as in the 45 is a lot of pop for the small frame. The XDS is squared off much like the Walther PPS, and that can make for an uncomfortable grip for putting a lot of rounds downrange at the range.
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on October 20, 2013, 10:00:13 AM
Ken, Sights are good.
Unwieldy as in the 45 is a lot of pop for the small frame. The XDS is squared off much like the Walther PPS, and that can make for an uncomfortable grip for putting a lot of rounds downrange at the range.
AHHH... Gotcha, Duane. Thanks.
I have a friend who has an XDS .45, and he expects it back soon from the recall. He has offered to let me shoot it, and I intend to take him up on the offer. I have held it, and it's a sweet piece!
Ken
Post by: 05Train on October 20, 2013, 04:13:25 PM
Yeah, you need to. There are probably quite a few people in line ahead of you though!Probably. I'm in Maryland though, so it's not like I can carry here. It's only an issue when I'm out of state, and I don't have any trips planned in the near future.
What do you mean when you say it's unwieldy as a range gun? Is it difficult to see down the sights?Sights are actually decent , even though the sight radius is so short. The issue for me is the grip size and texture. With the standard magazine fitted, my ring finger is half off the pistol. On top of that, the pattern in the grip tears into my hand. I've solved that problem with a Talon grip. I will say that the little frame does an excellent job with the recoil, though with the above mentioned issues it's more of a problem. With the extended magazine and the Talon grip, it's a great-handling little pistol, though you lose concealability then. And, of course, you should practice with it the way you plan on carrying it.
So if I was planning on burning up 300 rounds of .45 ACP at the range, this isn't the pistol I'd grab out of the safe.
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on October 21, 2013, 01:45:06 AM
Probably. I'm in Maryland though, so it's not like I can carry here. It's only an issue when I'm out of state, and I don't have any trips planned in the near future.
Sights are actually decent , even though the sight radius is so short. The issue for me is the grip size and texture. With the standard magazine fitted, my ring finger is half off the pistol. On top of that, the pattern in the grip tears into my hand. I've solved that problem with a Talon grip. I will say that the little frame does an excellent job with the recoil, though with the above mentioned issues it's more of a problem. With the extended magazine and the Talon grip, it's a great-handling little pistol, though you lose concealability then. And, of course, you should practice with it the way you plan on carrying it.
So if I was planning on burning up 300 rounds of .45 ACP at the range, this isn't the pistol I'd grab out of the safe.
Gotcha, Train. Thanks for the feedback. I still want to get one of these little beauties. I would shoot enough rounds through it to get proficient at it, but not anywhere near 300 in a day! I don't think I'd want to shoot 300 .45 ACP rounds in a day with ANY gun other a 1911 or a P220!
Ken
Post by: 05Train on October 21, 2013, 05:10:54 AM
Gotcha, Train. Thanks for the feedback. I still want to get one of these little beauties. I would shoot enough rounds through it to get proficient at it, but not anywhere near 300 in a day! I don't think I'd want to shoot 300 .45 ACP rounds in a day with ANY gun other a 1911 or a P220!Exactly. After the "getting to know you" range session, I run a magazine or two through just to stay proficient.
Post by: GMR-PERFORMANCE on October 21, 2013, 07:33:03 AM
Keep in mind that if the gun does have to be used the chances of it being returned are very low. Second G27 with night sites for me. Basic, easy to carry, and it works well.
Not a carry gun but its a fun gun.. POF NBC , 14.5 inch barrel ( legal at 16 with welded pin on brake) in 308. This is one that I really like. I run a EO most times but have bus sites that are very good on return to zero.
Post by: porthole on October 21, 2013, 09:28:49 PM
AHHH... Gotcha, Duane. Thanks.
I have a friend who has an XDS .45, and he expects it back soon from the recall. He has offered to let me shoot it, and I intend to take him up on the offer. I have held it, and it's a sweet piece!
The news on the XD-S is good and gooder and gooderer ( :nixweiss:)
SA started shipping updated items this past Friday, and has 3 shifts working to do the work.
SA stated in some of the literature they would be including a 7 round mag with extension for our troubles
1st range report with the update/upgrade is very favorable.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xd-s-recall-update-review-of-upgraded-guns/
Post by: Pete7539 on October 26, 2013, 09:29:09 PM
http://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?product=Bone%20Collector%20Bull%20Whisper%20.177%20Cal.&productID=434
They had it for sale for $250, then I took a ride to Walmart and they had same gun $188. So I bought it. Yea I know it's a toy(kinda), but single stroke 1300fps this thing is badass and fun. Very accurate, cheap to shoot, and can blast all day in the backyard without dealing with the cops. First 10 rounds are pretty loud, then it quieted down. For chits & giggles I separated the action from the stock and sprayed stock bedliner black. Looks pretty good. Air rifles have come a long way since the crossman pumpmaster I used to play with. Even the ammo, they have very light armor piercing, polymer tips for expansion, and alloy ones for real high velocity.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 31, 2013, 08:59:24 PM
I don't think I'd want to shoot 300 .45 ACP rounds in a day with ANY gun other a 1911 or a P220!
Ken
I go to the range frequently, and usually put 200~300 rounds of 230 grain .45 ACP down range though the various 1911's I own. Not bad in a well balanced 1911 at all. Usually shoot another 50 rounds in my FN5.7 and 100 in my 1911-22lr, then 50 rounds in my 40S&W XD.
The XD is the one that has the sharpest recoil, bites even more than my 3" barrel 1911. The 5" 1911s are the most fun to shoot.
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on October 31, 2013, 09:04:32 PM
Post by: WestCoastRuss on October 31, 2013, 10:22:56 PM
Post by: porthole on November 01, 2013, 12:22:35 PM
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=89903.new#new
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on November 01, 2013, 03:20:48 PM
Kimber Ultra CDP ll 45
Bought May 2012
Has only had 50 rounds put through it. Paid $1,387.00 included the taxes.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/86A0DC09-BB46-48A4-AED8-A7D5912DCB1B-19839-000005602882D995.jpg)
Post by: 1sharprdkg on November 01, 2013, 07:29:01 PM
I have two of these pistols and I'm interested in selling this one. What is it worth? :nixweiss:Sweet looking heater! Decide on your selling price while I ponder on buying it, let me know. Thanks Arland
Kimber Ultra CDP ll 45
Bought May 2012
Has only had 50 rounds put through it. Paid $1,387.00 included the taxes.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/86A0DC09-BB46-48A4-AED8-A7D5912DCB1B-19839-000005602882D995.jpg)
Post by: 05Train on November 01, 2013, 08:31:39 PM
I go to the range frequently, and usually put 200~300 rounds of 230 grain .45 ACP down range though the various 1911's I own. Not bad in a well balanced 1911 at all. Usually shoot another 50 rounds in my FN5.7 and 100 in my 1911-22lr, then 50 rounds in my 40S&W XD.Totally agree. I can shoot my 5" Springfield Loaded or my 4.25" R1 all day long without issue. The XDs gets a mag or two for proficiency and that's it.
The XD is the one that has the sharpest recoil, bites even more than my 3" barrel 1911. The 5" 1911s are the most fun to shoot.
I find that I just don't enjoy shooting .40 much anymore. I've got a SigPro 2022 that's a great shooter, but the round itself just does nothing for me.
My wife loves 9mm, so I'll probably always have a safe full of various platforms, but for me, I'm plenty happy with good 'ol .45ACP.
How's that 5.7 handle?
Sent from my iPad, probably while I'm pooping.
Post by: mchirgwin on November 01, 2013, 09:28:34 PM
sig 9mm
Post by: willyB on November 01, 2013, 10:45:04 PM
I have two of these pistols and I'm interested in selling this one. What is it worth? :nixweiss:Two? You must be lucky!
Kimber Ultra CDP ll 45
Bought May 2012
Has only had 50 rounds put through it. Paid $1,387.00 included the taxes.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/86A0DC09-BB46-48A4-AED8-A7D5912DCB1B-19839-000005602882D995.jpg)
I really love my Kimber SIS "full size with rail". You could sell it to a fellow Kimber owner for like $50. ;D :huepfenlol2:
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on November 01, 2013, 10:51:11 PM
Two? You must be lucky!
I really love my Kimber SIS "full size with rail". You could sell it to a fellow Kimber owner for like $50. ;D :huepfenlol2:
No problem.., you can have it for $50 plus $950 tax. :P ;D :D
Post by: porthole on November 02, 2013, 09:56:25 AM
I have two of these pistols and I'm interested in selling this one. What is it worth? :nixweiss:
Kimber Ultra CDP ll 45
In my area most of the used Kimber's seem to be going between 800-1000
Was just at my local dealer (neighbor works out of his basement) looking at a couple of Kimber's he has. Although he doesn't currently have the CDP most of his new K's usually are under 1K.
A year ago in this area you would have gotten what you paid. But that was when you could buy a S&W M&P 15 Sport for $1400. The Sport is back down to under $700 locally.
If I had a permit currently I would be interested, depending on .............
My local:
http://www.legacyfirearms.com/Shop-list-182.html
Gunbroker can give you an idea, but that site is a lot like evilbay - supply and demand.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Kimber-45/Browse.aspx?Keywords=Kimber%2045
Post by: TinSpinner on November 02, 2013, 10:09:17 AM
In my area most of the used Kimber's seem to be going between 800-1000
Was just at my local dealer (neighbor works out of his basement) looking at a couple of Kimber's he has. Although he doesn't currently have the CDP most of his new K's usually are under 1K.
You blew his cover Duane, now the BATF will come calling!
Post by: porthole on November 02, 2013, 10:19:20 AM
You blew his cover Duane, now the BATF will come calling!
Nahhh - he's all legit, nice guy, retired high school principal.
Post by: dlaws01 on November 02, 2013, 11:47:08 AM
I have two of these pistols and I'm interested in selling this one. What is it worth? :nixweiss:
Kimber Ultra CDP ll 45
Bought May 2012
Has only had 50 rounds put through it. Paid $1,387.00 included the taxes.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/86A0DC09-BB46-48A4-AED8-A7D5912DCB1B-19839-000005602882D995.jpg)
If it were mine, I wouldn't take anything less than $900 for it. JMO. You shouldn't have any trouble selling it at that price.
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on November 02, 2013, 11:53:52 AM
If it were mine, I wouldn't take anything less than $900 for it. JMO. You shouldn't have any trouble selling it at that price.
Thanks everyone but the pistol is sold. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: willyB on November 02, 2013, 03:43:59 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 02, 2013, 09:32:12 PM
Totally agree. I can shoot my 5" Springfield Loaded or my 4.25" R1 all day long without issue. The XDs gets a mag or two for proficiency and that's it.
I find that I just don't enjoy shooting .40 much anymore. I've got a SigPro 2022 that's a great shooter, but the round itself just does nothing for me.
My wife loves 9mm, so I'll probably always have a safe full of various platforms, but for me, I'm plenty happy with good 'ol .45ACP.
How's that 5.7 handle?
Sent from my iPad, probably while I'm pooping.
The 5.7 is just plain fun to shoot. Very accurate, recoil similar to a 22LR pistol. Small round really with lots of powder behind it. The highest muzzle velocity of any pistol, 2130 feet per second. It has round available to the military and LE that will penetrate Kevlar vests, double stacked at 100 yards. It has a very flat trajectory. The anti gun folks just hate the pistol and call it a cop killer. Took me a long time to spend the money as it is and expensive plastic gun. Got it when my local gun store had it on sale for 995, and FN was offering a 250 rebate to Military. I really do love to shoot the gun so does my wife, very accurate.
My 5" Ed Browns are a blast to shoot, and in them you can shoot the 230 grain 45 acp all day long. My Les Baer Stinger, 4" barrel with officer grips it easy to shoot too. Its my winter carry. My summer carry is my Kimber CDP II Ultra which is a 3" barrel and officer grips.
Post by: Pete7539 on November 02, 2013, 10:59:23 PM
The 5.7 is just plain fun to shoot. Very accurate, recoil similar to a 22LR pistol. Small round really with lots of powder behind it. The highest muzzle velocity of any pistol, 2130 feet per second. It has round available to the military and LE that will penetrate Kevlar vests, double stacked at 100 yards. It has a very flat trajectory. The anti gun folks just hate the pistol and call it a cop killer. Took me a long time to spend the money as it is and expensive plastic gun. Got it when my local gun store had it on sale for 995, and FN was offering a 250 rebate to Military. I really do love to shoot the gun so does my wife, very accurate.
Yes the green tips are good, but you gotta check out these. http://www.eliteammunition.net/57x28mm_ammunition/T6.html
2570fps and they go through anything. Very fun, but expensive to shoot.
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on November 03, 2013, 12:35:17 AM
Yes the green tips are good, but you gotta check out these. http://www.eliteammunition.net/57x28mm_ammunition/T6.html
2570fps and they go through anything. Very fun, but expensive to shoot.
Not good for self defense. Over penetration is an issue and a liability
Post by: Hog95023 on November 03, 2013, 01:11:49 AM
I go to the range frequently, and usually put 200~300 rounds of 230 grain .45 ACP down range though the various 1911's I own. Not bad in a well balanced 1911 at all. Usually shoot another 50 rounds in my FN5.7 and 100 in my 1911-22lr, then 50 rounds in my 40S&W XD.where are you getting the 5 7 ammo at a reasonable price? Its pretty tough to find around here.
The XD is the one that has the sharpest recoil, bites even more than my 3" barrel 1911. The 5" 1911s are the most fun to shoot.
Post by: Pete7539 on November 03, 2013, 06:40:39 AM
Not good for self defense. Over penetration is an issue and a liability
The green are good for that, they're hp. The T6's are just fun for shootin stuff at the farm ::)
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 03, 2013, 08:28:11 PM
Not good for self defense. Over penetration is an issue and a liability
Never said I had it for carry. I do have it in the home.
Carry is a 1911 45. In the home is depending on what room I am in a 1911 45, a shot gun, and on my night stand an xd 40 with a light and laser.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 03, 2013, 08:29:36 PM
where are you getting the 5 7 ammo at a reasonable price? Its pretty tough to find around here.
Luckily I bought lots and lots of it 18 months ago. I still have 2K plus rounds. Been very hard to find since Dec of 12.
Post by: Hog95023 on November 03, 2013, 10:17:42 PM
Never said I had it for carry. I do have it in the home.people often let their guard down at home. Good to be prepared. Lots of occupied home invasions happening nationwide and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse.
Carry is a 1911 45. In the home is depending on what room I am in a 1911 45, a shot gun, and on my night stand an xd 40 with a light and laser.
Post by: Pete7539 on November 04, 2013, 12:48:31 AM
Luckily I bought lots and lots of it 18 months ago. I still have 2K plus rounds. Been very hard to find since Dec of 12.
I've only a few hundred left myself and after searching what elite didn't have...I've realized the price on them is through the ceiling now. I last got green tips, ss198 I think, at $18 a box of 50. You can't even get the 195's close to that now :-\
Post by: CowboyBagger on November 21, 2013, 11:28:46 PM
The 5.7 is just plain fun to shoot. Very accurate, recoil similar to a 22LR pistol. Small round really with lots of powder behind it. The highest muzzle velocity of any pistol, 2130 feet per second. It has round available to the military and LE that will penetrate Kevlar vests, double stacked at 100 yards. It has a very flat trajectory. The anti gun folks just hate the pistol and call it a cop killer. Took me a long time to spend the money as it is and expensive plastic gun. Got it when my local gun store had it on sale for 995, and FN was offering a 250 rebate to Military. I really do love to shoot the gun so does my wife, very accurate.
My 5" Ed Browns are a blast to shoot, and in them you can shoot the 230 grain 45 acp all day long. My Les Baer Stinger, 4" barrel with officer grips it easy to shoot too. Its my winter carry. My summer carry is my Kimber CDP II Ultra which is a 3" barrel and officer grips.
I've been drooling over an Ed Brown Classic Custom. Where is the best place to purchase one and how would you recommend setting one up (options).
Cowboy
Post by: 2k on January 01, 2014, 07:48:24 AM
Post by: spydglide on January 01, 2014, 08:30:24 AM
My wife handed this to me as the ball was dropping, couldn't take my eyes off. 1st time in years I haven't seen it drop. Have wanted one of these for a long time, got the .22 barrell & slide also. After 47yrs of marriage.......she still knows how to please me!!!!!nice! :2vrolijk_21: a man can never have too many 1911s. :P har! spyder
Post by: Fiberguy on January 01, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
My biggest concern is those people who carry, that do not hit the range. They are just as dangerous as those that aim to do harm. They tend to Spray-N-Pray during extreme panic. I recommend anyone who carries, hit the range a minimum of once a month, for 200 rounds. It is best to hit it every 10-15 days, for 150 rounds minimum to retain proficiency and confidence. If you do not, then your results of your response may not be what you have visualized in your head. It is difficult to practice "Real-Life Training" scenarios like military units do, but constantly hitting the range and focusing on target acquisition and accuracy will improve your real life results. I recommend placing only a few rounds in High-Capacity magazines so that you focus on sending each round down range, analyzing its placement, then focusing on the next. 17 rounds in a magazine equates to 17 innocent by-standers. Visualize hitting a innocent bystander 100 yards past your intended target. Visualize that being a child. Conceal Carry is something every honorable American should do, its just that I believe we all should responsibly conceal carry.
Practice Point-Shooting technique until your grouping of 5 rounds, at 12 feet (measured), can be covered by a paper plate, then decrease the time it takes to send those 5 rounds to 3 seconds, then decrease the size of plate.
Post by: D-N-D on January 01, 2014, 10:01:26 AM
Post by: 2k on January 01, 2014, 10:10:48 AM
I've been drooling over an Ed Brown Classic Custom. Where is the best place to purchase one and how would you recommend setting one up (options).Me too, Cowboy. While I will probably never own a 'Ed Brown Custom' a man needs something to lust over besides 'Boobies'. I have always believed in quality over quanity, Dave is
Cowboy
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on January 01, 2014, 10:14:03 AM
Even better is to take a real training glass, minimum 50 hours. Don't think the CCW class is going to teach you anything about gun handling.
Front Sight is in my opinion a great school to start with. Clint (Thunder Ranch) and Gunsite are great places as well.
Always carry. Ruger 380 LCP, Walther PPK, Sig 239 SAS 9mm. The Ruger is good for a maximum accuracy of 10 feet, and most confrontations are within that zone. I am retired military and have maintained most of my firearm proficiency by hitting the range frequently. A Double Tap with the Ruger leaves me 5 additional rounds, which is plenty.
My biggest concern is those people who carry, that do not hit the range. They are just as dangerous as those that aim to do harm. They tend to Spray-N-Pray during extreme panic. I recommend anyone who carries, hit the range a minimum of once a month, for 200 rounds. It is best to hit it every 10-15 days, for 150 rounds minimum to retain proficiency and confidence. If you do not, then your results of your response may not be what you have visualized in your head. It is difficult to practice "Real-Life Training" scenarios like military units do, but constantly hitting the range and focusing on target acquisition and accuracy will improve your real life results. I recommend placing only a few rounds in High-Capacity magazines so that you focus on sending each round down range, analyzing its placement, then focusing on the next. 17 rounds in a magazine equates to 17 innocent by-standers. Visualize hitting a innocent bystander 100 yards past your intended target. Visualize that being a child. Conceal Carry is something every honorable American should do, its just that I believe we all should responsibly conceal carry.
Practice Point-Shooting technique until your grouping of 5 rounds, at 12 feet (measured), can be covered by a paper plate, then decrease the time it takes to send those 5 rounds to 3 seconds, then decrease the size of plate.
Post by: 2k on January 01, 2014, 10:40:45 AM
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on January 01, 2014, 10:49:36 AM
Owner is annoying but the place is top notch and so is the training.
Rotarywing is dead on. Most(90%) of the CCP training classes are a joke. Watching a film teaches you nothing. Anyone that can't pass their shoot test has probably never held a pistol. As with most training courses on anything, if the Instructor don't care, you ain't gonna learn nuttin!!!
Post by: spydglide on January 01, 2014, 02:48:31 PM
Post by: D-N-D on January 02, 2014, 09:02:26 AM
Post by: Steve_G on January 02, 2014, 04:45:18 PM
Post by: Bigfoot16 on January 03, 2014, 08:07:24 AM
Post by: iski on January 03, 2014, 12:18:18 PM
Remington R51 pistol in 9mm & 40 cal. Weighs 20 oz. MSRP $389.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 06, 2014, 10:19:15 PM
I've been drooling over an Ed Brown Classic Custom. Where is the best place to purchase one and how would you recommend setting one up (options).I would buy from Jerry Hammond. He is an internet dealer only, out of Virginia. I have met him a few times, and bought two Ed Browns from him and a Les Baer. Price was much better than any place else, he was very true to his word. I will be ordering a Wilson combat from him some time this year.
Cowboy
Talk to Jerry about options. He pretty much told me first time it is all personal preference. He then went through each option and pointed out pros and cons of each. I know one option that was a must have was my last name engraved in the barrel bushing on my browns. I also really like the gold bead front sight. I run a mag well extender on both mine too as it makes it quicker to change mags.
You can not go wrong with any Ed Brown, I just love them. After I get a Wilson, I will in 15 or so be getting a Kobra Carry or Executive Carry brown.
Jerry Hammonds web site http://hammondgunandtackle.com/
Get his number from there and call him, well worth your time. Have time to talk. Tell him I sent you, Dave in east TN, he will know me.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 06, 2014, 10:35:26 PM
Me too, Cowboy. While I will probably never own a 'Ed Brown Custom' a man needs something to lust over besides 'Boobies'. I have always believed in quality over quanity, Dave isThanks.luckysmart enough to employ both ideas!!!!
I really love 1911 pistols, and my wife does too. She learned to shoot in the Navy with one.
I have two browns, a Special Forces, two tone which was my first brown, wife was pissed at how much I spent on a gun. Then she shot it, and did not even blink when I spent more on the second Centennial Edition Executive Elite Ed Brown. She can put all eight rounds in the bulls eye at 10 yards.
For the money, on a high end 1911 I think it is hard to beat a brown.
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on January 07, 2014, 08:52:08 AM
Post by: Steve_G on January 08, 2014, 12:02:41 AM
About 20 lbs
Extra ???
Post by: CowboyBagger on January 08, 2014, 01:03:49 AM
Cowboy
Post by: spydglide on January 08, 2014, 08:22:20 AM
Looks like Ed Brown now has out "The Enhanced Classic Custom". Now I'm really drooling!Who says a fine machine can't be pretty also? Nice BBQ Gun. :2vrolijk_21: har! spyder
Cowboy
Post by: 1sharprdkg on April 04, 2014, 01:29:46 AM
Post by: 2k on April 04, 2014, 06:11:35 AM
Picked this up Saturday. Kimber Sapphire Ultra II 9mm.
Nicccceee Arland, That is one beautiful piece!!!
Post by: 1sharprdkg on April 04, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
Nicccceee Arland, That is one beautiful piece!!!Thanks Jimmy!
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on April 05, 2014, 07:07:56 PM
Picked this up Saturday. Kimber Sapphire Ultra II 9mm.
That is a beauty Arland! Is it new?
Post by: willyB on April 05, 2014, 08:35:52 PM
Picked this up Saturday. Kimber Sapphire Ultra II 9mm.VERY nice!
I have to admit I'm a little jealous. I have a Kimber SIS and that is the one that's been catching my attention.
Post by: spydglide on April 06, 2014, 07:43:37 AM
VERY nice!1911's are an addiction....no one says you have to just have one. har! spyder
I have to admit I'm a little jealous. I have a Kimber SIS and that is the one that's been catching my attention.
Post by: WVHoop on April 06, 2014, 12:07:11 PM
Post by: 2k on April 06, 2014, 01:00:42 PM
Post by: WVHoop on April 06, 2014, 06:27:35 PM
Love the grips on the Kimber, did you have to go to a dealer?The dealer where I bought the pistol ordered them for me when I purchased the pistol.
Post by: PinkE on April 06, 2014, 06:36:08 PM
Post by: CowboyBagger on April 06, 2014, 09:35:33 PM
I have a Kahr CW9, I love it, It's my first pistol, Randy bought it for my birthday a few years ago along with a trip to Knob Creek Gun Range, near West Point Kentucky, that was a fun weekend. Almost anything goes down there. Randy said I did real good for my first outing with my pistol. :2vrolijk_21:
Pictures!
Cowboy
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on April 06, 2014, 10:05:03 PM
Sorry for the background, it's the bed in my room!
Post by: spydglide on April 07, 2014, 07:18:42 AM
Thought I throw in a picture too. I am at Front Sight Firearms Training this last five days with my CQB.Nice gat. What was the 'wait=time' for that?
Sorry for the background, it's the bed in my room!
Post by: iski on April 07, 2014, 08:01:11 AM
My Kimber Super Carry Ultra HD with Crimson Trace laser grips & HK .45 with Lasermax green laser. I carry the Kimber everyday & the HK is for the home although I do carry it once in a while.
Have the same HK in 9. Amazing how well that green laser works at night. Accurate gun, stays homeside mostly since prefer a lighter carry.
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on April 07, 2014, 08:59:13 AM
Nice gat. What was the 'wait=time' for that?
Got it three years ago, and back then maybe 6 months. They are up to over a year now.
Have almost 7,000 rounds through it.
Post by: 2 ROSE on April 07, 2014, 02:20:58 PM
I also have a CCP. In my home state of Pennsylvania and in both Arizona and Utah. The AZ and UT permits give me to carry in 38 states to date. I have taken all offered NRA courses and they are very, very basic, however they do serve a purpose. Most people who take such classes are new to firearms ownership and probably do not know which end to aim at the bad guys as we all were at one time. Gun ownership is a little like motorcycle ownership...you don't just point it in the right direction and hope for the best...anyone can do that. It is more about attitude and what you do when the chit hits the fan, which comes with education and experience.
I have a Springfield Armory 40 cal. with 4 inch barrel for home and a Springfield Armory 40 cal. subcompact for concealed carry. Love them both.
Post by: PinkE on April 07, 2014, 03:05:09 PM
Post by: dlaws01 on April 07, 2014, 09:50:37 PM
Hey All,
I also have a CCP. In my home state of Pennsylvania and in both Arizona and Utah. The AZ and UT permits give me to carry in 38 states to date. I have taken all offered NRA courses and they are very, very basic, however they do serve a purpose. Most people who take such classes are new to firearms ownership and probably do not know which end to aim at the bad guys as we all were at one time. Gun ownership is a little like motorcycle ownership...you don't just point it in the right direction and hope for the best...anyone can do that. It is more about attitude and what you do when the chit hits the fan, which comes with education and experience.
I have a Springfield Armory 40 cal. with 4 inch barrel for home and a Springfield Armory 40 cal. subcompact for concealed carry. Love them both.
Just curious, what experience do you have with being in a firefight? Or has it all been "training scenarios" at the range? :confused5:
Post by: 1sharprdkg on April 08, 2014, 12:27:32 AM
Yes, Judy, I unwrapped it from it's blue plastic cocoon.
That is a beauty Arland! Is it new?
Post by: 1sharprdkg on April 08, 2014, 12:39:29 AM
VERY nice!Sapphire's for less than MSRP are getting very hard to find since they are no longer being produced by Kimber.
I have to admit I'm a little jealous. I have a Kimber SIS and that is the one that's been catching my attention.
EDIT:FYI, Since making this post I have been told that dealers can still order Sapphires. Was told the source was Kimber customer service? I do not know if it is true. They are not listed on there website or the 2014 catalog.
Post by: Montanakid on April 12, 2014, 07:03:53 PM
Depending on how I feel and weather, I carry either a Sig 229 40, Beretta 9M or a Colt Combat commander 45.
Post by: willymax4 on April 28, 2014, 08:06:41 AM
Left to right, Taurus PT1911AR in 45 ACP,FNP-9 in 9MM, S&W M&P shield in 40 cal.
Post by: spydglide on April 28, 2014, 08:32:39 AM
In states that don't honor mine, I have Washington, Oregon and Utah permits, that'll give me about 35 states I believe, I carry the Gun in one saddlebag and the clip and ammo in the other.If you have CC, why lock your pistol and ammo away? :nixweiss: spyder
Depending on how I feel and weather, I carry either a Sig 229 40, Beretta 9M or a Colt Combat commander 45.
Post by: PinkE on April 28, 2014, 12:08:33 PM
Picked this up Saturday. Kimber Sapphire Ultra II 9mm.
Saw this at the NRA convention this weekend, ONE SWEET piece...Your a lucky guy.... :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: sbecker3 on April 28, 2014, 05:37:39 PM
Post by: WestCoastRuss on April 28, 2014, 07:30:24 PM
Post by: 2k on April 28, 2014, 09:40:10 PM
Feel the most comfortable with my FN5.7
Damn WCR, my scooter keeps me broke and you go making my mouth water talking bout 5.7's. Beautiful piece.....my wish pistol.
Post by: WestCoastRuss on April 28, 2014, 11:30:31 PM
Post by: Spider51 on June 18, 2014, 12:42:58 PM
1911's are an addiction....no one says you have to just have one. har! spyderAs a California LEO I can carry nationwide, which I do. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. And I don't have just one, I have five. 1911 forever.
Post by: Fired00d on June 18, 2014, 03:54:34 PM
As a California LEO I can carry nationwide, which I do. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. And I don't have just one, I have five. 1911 forever.LEOSA is a beautiful thing. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: 2k on August 28, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
As a California LEO I can carry nationwide, which I do. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. And I don't have just one, I have five. 1911 forever.
Have all the handguns I need, but as Spyder once said.......it's an addiction. Picked this one up today to add to the pile. But Honey, its just a lil 22
Post by: D-N-D on August 29, 2014, 05:28:58 AM
Post by: spydglide on August 29, 2014, 05:56:44 AM
Post by: SBB on August 29, 2014, 07:35:01 AM
And to make it even more-better... ;D.....the .22 ammo shortage has lifted it seems. har! spyder
A man can never have too much 22LR!
SBB
Post by: WestCoastRuss on August 29, 2014, 03:31:02 PM
Post by: BigLew on August 29, 2014, 04:47:22 PM
Damn WCR, my scooter keeps me broke and you go making my mouth water talking bout 5.7's. Beautiful piece.....my wish pistol.Yep with 30 rd clips. Makes a heck of a racket!
BigLew
Post by: WestCoastRuss on August 29, 2014, 05:59:24 PM
Yep with 30 rd clips. Makes a heck of a racket!
BigLew
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 29, 2014, 07:11:17 PM
They are SAO mini (micro?) 1911s, both with ambi safeties. I carry this little beauty concealed in a Tommy Theis horsehide IWB holster, and it shoots really well. Weighs about HALF of what the big S&W Chief's Special .40 I used to carry does, and it fits my hand perfectly. Sometimes I forget I'm even carrying it.
The .40 cal lives on my nightstand now...
Ken
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 29, 2014, 08:28:48 PM
1911's are an addiction....no one says you have to just have one. har! spyder1911's, what I learned to shoot with, what my wife learned to shoot with, will always have one.
I agree, and can be expensive.
Mine are:
GSG 1911-22
Kimber Ultra CDP II
Les Baer Stinger
Ed Brown Special Forces
Ed Brown Executive Elite Centennial
Saving for a Wilson Combat Bill Wilson Carry :coolblue:
Post by: Bigfoot16 on August 29, 2014, 08:33:52 PM
As a California LEO I can carry nationwide, which I do. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. And I don't have just one, I have five. 1911 forever.
I only have 4 1911's... but will be adding to the collection soon...
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 29, 2014, 08:35:51 PM
Feel the most comfortable with my FN5.7I love my FN 5.7, great gun no recoil, light and accurate.
I however would never use it for Carry or Self Defense. With the highest mussel velocity of any pistol, it will travel way to far, go right through people and keep going.
I prefer my XD .40, or my Kimber Ultra 45 acp or my Stinger 45 acp. More knock down and less likely to continue thru the person into some one or some thing else.
Post by: spydglide on August 29, 2014, 08:39:26 PM
1911's, what I learned to shoot with, what my wife learned to shoot with, will always have one.yeah, Dave. I'd say you're fully addicted. har! spyder
I agree, and can be expensive.
Mine are:
GSG 1911-22
Kimber Ultra CDP II
Les Baer Stinger
Ed Brown Special Forces
Ed Brown Executive Elite Centennial
Saving for a Wilson Combat Bill Wilson Carry :coolblue:
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on August 29, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
I bought this nice little Sig P938 Blackwood with an extra capacity mag a few months ago. Bought its little brother the P238 Blackwood .380 ACP for my wife, too. New guns in a package deal for a really good price.
They are SAO mini (micro?) 1911s, both with ambi safeties. I carry this little beauty concealed in a Tommy Theis horsehide IWB holster, and it shoots really well. Weighs about HALF of what the big S&W Chief's Special .40 I used to carry does, and it fits my hand perfectly. Sometimes I forget I'm even carrying it.
The .40 cal lives on my nightstand now...
Ken
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 30, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
yeah, Dave. I'd say you're fully addicted. har! spyderYep
My wife and I learned to shoot 1911's in the Navy. We are both retired Navy, and we both really like the 1911's. She is very accurate with the 1911's and shocks many men at the range.
Post by: willyB on August 30, 2014, 08:58:29 AM
1911's, what I learned to shoot with, what my wife learned to shoot with, will always have one.WOW!
I agree, and can be expensive.
Mine are:
GSG 1911-22
Kimber Ultra CDP II
Les Baer Stinger
Ed Brown Special Forces
Ed Brown Executive Elite Centennial
Saving for a Wilson Combat Bill Wilson Carry :coolblue:
You've got some pretty cool 1911's! I only have one. It's a Kimber SIS 5" with rail.
My 105 lb. wife absolutely loves shoot it.
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 30, 2014, 10:39:05 AM
It's a nice firearm but not a 1911 version. Not Mr. Brownings design :)
No, it's not. I should have said a "1911 style", as the action is the same.
Ken
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on August 30, 2014, 02:03:00 PM
I love my FN 5.7, great gun no recoil, light and accurate.
I however would never use it for Carry or Self Defense. With the highest mussel velocity of any pistol, it will travel way to far, go right through people and keep going.
With the right ammo, (frangible or hp) That 5.7 penetrates LESS than a 357, 9mm, 10mm, 40 or 45 (all with hollowpoints) be it in drywall OR flesh
As far as highest muzzle velocity goes, There are actually MANY pistol cartridges faster than the 5.7. 224 boz and its other off shoots as well as the 5 or 6 offshoots of the 45/223 and then you have the dillon cartridges and even the 357 sig with the frangible 55 grain rounds at 2100fps out of a 5.3" glock barrel!
STILL
NOTHING stops bad guys like any frangible bullet over 1100 fps out of 38,9mm,40,10mm or 45, a 5.56 hp over 2300fps (8 inch barreled ar anyone?) or a 45 185+p golden sabre @1100 fps+.... Aw heck just carry a surbu 12 ga with 2 3/4 00buck!
Post by: WestCoastRuss on August 30, 2014, 07:36:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opphm-17JfA
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 30, 2014, 08:49:34 PM
With the right ammo, (frangible or hp) That 5.7 penetrates LESS than a 357, 9mm, 10mm, 40 or 45 (all with hollowpoints) be it in drywall OR flesh
As far as highest muzzle velocity goes, There are actually MANY pistol cartridges faster than the 5.7. 224 boz and its other off shoots as well as the 5 or 6 offshoots of the 45/223 and then you have the dillon cartridges and even the 357 sig with the frangible 55 grain rounds at 2100fps out of a 5.3" glock barrel!
STILL
NOTHING stops bad guys like any frangible bullet over 1100 fps out of 38,9mm,40,10mm or 45, a 5.56 hp over 2300fps (8 inch barreled ar anyone?) or a 45 185+p golden sabre @1100 fps+.... Aw heck just carry a surbu 12 ga with 2 3/4 00buck!
Well I do have a 7" barrel AR pistol, but its still a bit big for carry...
Post by: WestCoastRuss on August 31, 2014, 01:15:46 AM
Well I do have a 7" barrel AR pistol, but its still a bit big for carry...
Nice!!!
Post by: Harley88 on August 31, 2014, 11:38:11 AM
Post by: Talon on September 02, 2014, 12:39:27 PM
Post by: Camojeeper on November 29, 2014, 04:24:23 AM
If I run across the law I always tell Em I'm permitted and armed! I have always been treated with respect by LEO's
Fav Ammo is the hornedy critical duty JHP.
So where do you guys carry on the bike?
Post by: Ripcord on November 29, 2014, 07:58:22 AM
Post by: 2 ROSE on November 29, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
Post by: VaEagle on November 29, 2014, 11:10:07 AM
So where do you guys carry on the bike?
I know this is a very long thread and many side discussions have been brought up, but weapon carry on bikes have been discussed in the past with various viewpoints offered.
Just my .02 based on about 36 years of carry so far. You should strive to always carry your weapon on the person so you have physical control and speed on your side. When you put a weapon on a bike it is slower to reach and you run the risk of theft unless you get a vault to secure the weapon. That of course means a lack of speed if needed in a hurry.
Here is a good vault if you must store valuables of any type on a bike:
http://www.consolevault.com/harley-davidson-bagger-vault.html
Post by: Camojeeper on November 29, 2014, 12:55:32 PM
I know this is a very long thread and many side discussions have been brought up, but weapon carry on bikes have been discussed in the past with various viewpoints offered.
Just my .02 based on about 36 years of carry so far. You should strive to always carry your weapon on the person so you have physical control and speed on your side. When you put a weapon on a bike it is slower to reach and you run the risk of theft unless you get a vault to secure the weapon. That of course means a lack of speed if needed in a hurry.
Here is a good vault if you must store valuables of any type on a bike:
http://www.consolevault.com/harley-davidson-bagger-vault.html
VaEagle thank you,
I will check into that vault. I normally carry on my person. But wanted to explore more options for a bike mounted holster.
I also have a KTM 525 plated dirt bike ( my hooligan commuter) I was hoping to find a carry option that worked for both?
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on November 29, 2014, 02:47:24 PM
Post by: Fired00d on November 29, 2014, 03:20:03 PM
Ever gone down with something hard in your pockets. Hit the deck with a firearm on your side doing 65 probably hurts like heck.Then you better not carry anything in your pockets/on your person. :nixweiss: The whole point of carrying is having it ready and available if needed. I agree w/VaEagle (have not carried daily as many years as he but do carry daily) but can confirm that you want to carry where it's available and in the same place so it's "memory recall" vs remembering where it is today.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d'
:fireman:
Post by: spydglide on November 29, 2014, 03:28:07 PM
Then you better not carry anything in your pockets/on your person. :nixweiss: The whole point of carrying is having it ready and available if needed. I agree w/VaEagle (have not carried daily as many years as he but do carry daily) but can confirm that you want to carry where it's available and in the same place so it's "memory recall" vs remembering where it is today.Absolutely. Always carry on person and usually have add'l. in locked saddlebag. When I hit the car a few years ago, I was carrying my Colt .380 Gov't. in a holster vest and although I broke ribs in my back, the pistol survived the flying thru the air and summersaults w/o any problem including no injuries from it or the spare mag in my pocket. Now a revolver with a more protruding cylinder might have caused a problem, don't know. spyder
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d'
:fireman:
Post by: firesam23 on November 29, 2014, 07:12:57 PM
Post by: 2 ROSE on November 29, 2014, 10:49:59 PM
Post by: kiro on November 30, 2014, 11:03:21 AM
Post by: Camojeeper on November 30, 2014, 12:24:26 PM
This is a galco "jackass rig" .40 on one side 2 mags on the other for balance
Thoughts?.
Post by: Camojeeper on November 30, 2014, 12:26:56 PM
On the other days I carry a .38 spl in a pocket rig
Post by: VaEagle on November 30, 2014, 12:55:03 PM
Several things you can do. Consider switching to an inside the waistband holster since if you go down a bruised hip or "lovehandle" is less painful or dangerous to deal with. Otherwise about the only things you could do is wear heavy/padded layer of jacket or vest to help distribute the impact and try to tuck your arms in and roll on impact.
Then you have the wise guy response of "just don't wreck" and avoid the issue.
An earlier post by Fired00d is correct "memory recall" is important for those that carry concealed a lot since your body will go for the "usual" location under stress and if you change locations a lot you may just pull out a lovehandle in a gunfight or die doing the Macarena looking for today's location.
spydyglide you are correct too in your assumption that a revolver could be more painful due to sharp edges or the cylinder digging into the body. For long term comfort or less damage on impact look for a weapon that is flat with rounded edges.
Whatever carry you choose, practice in your everyday positions drawing (you might be surprised which positions make it almost impossible to draw) and reholstering (think of trying to secure a hot gun after use).
Post by: spydglide on November 30, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
I am not a fan of keeping a firearm in a car or a saddlebag. If I do not have control/possession of my firearm at all times then I will not carry. There are enough illegally obtained firearms out there...I do not wish to add to them. The only exception I may make is traveling through a state where I can not legally carry concealed...just my opinion.Agree, except is pretty much impossible to conceal carry and not lock a pistol up when going in a court house, post office, etc., and I'd imagine that most guns are stolen from locked houses/gun safes/etc. Just have to minimize the risk as much as possible. spyder
Post by: Camojeeper on November 30, 2014, 01:16:54 PM
Post by: 2 ROSE on November 30, 2014, 04:22:20 PM
My biggest fear is this rig will break my ribs if/when I go down again?
This is a galco "jackass rig" .40 on one side 2 mags on the other for balance
Thoughts?.
I am thinking the word fear might be a bit of an exaggeration. Maybe concern might be more appropriate. If we had fears none of us would be riding. Also if you are involved in an accident personally I would consider myself fortunate to be able to walk away with just a couple of broken ribs...hell I am on my knees thanking someone for watching over me.
Post by: grayghost731 on November 30, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
It's Hard to roll the throttle and shoot! ;) Hopefully your never in that position.
That's life in the Big Motor City! :coolblue:
Post by: spydglide on November 30, 2014, 05:36:28 PM
Just a reminder.... For all of us that carry on bikes. Always practice shooting with your left hand as much as your rightMost defense/survival instructors emphasize to either 'shoot' or 'drive' .....I'm thinking that applies even more to riding. spyder
It's Hard to roll the throttle and shoot! ;) Hopefully your never in that position.
That's life in the Big Motor City! :coolblue:
Post by: grayghost731 on November 30, 2014, 05:45:32 PM
Most defense/survival instructors emphasize to either 'shoot' or 'drive' .....I'm thinking that applies even more to riding. spyder
Do what ever you want. Should still practice with each hand. When the Chit hits the fan.... Living is all that Applies :nixweiss:
Post by: Fired00d on November 30, 2014, 06:00:50 PM
Most defense/survival instructors emphasize to either 'shoot' or 'drive' .....I'm thinking that applies even more to riding. spyder
Do what ever you want. Should still practice with each hand. When the Chit hits the fan.... Living is all that Applies :nixweiss:I agree that you should practice w/both hands and it is part of qualifications for most LEO's... however I think shooting while riding/driving isn't the best thing as it would/could involve a significant amount of collateral damage. If you are able to drive away from a situation and provide yourself w/a good defensive position (behind something solid that will stop/contain a round coming your way) you will have a better ability to survive the encounter. Part of Motor Officer training is to lay their bike down and assume a defensive position behind it if they have to be involved in a gun battle.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: kiro on November 30, 2014, 07:40:56 PM
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Part of Motor Officer training is to lay their bike down and assume a defensive position behind it if they have to be involved in a gun battle.
Yikes - think I'll try to avoid that d00d... I practice with both hands, but never really planned to shoot while riding the bike.
Post by: Fired00d on November 30, 2014, 07:42:50 PM
Yikes - think I'll try to avoid that d00d... I practice with both hands, but never really planned to shoot while riding the bike.Most of us would on our own bikes... you're not alone.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Camojeeper on November 30, 2014, 11:45:32 PM
In CA I'm responsible for every round that leaves the barrel. So I would be reluctant to fire while moving.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 04, 2014, 08:04:28 AM
Yesterday I just got a new carry once I get enough rounds though it. I had been wanting something smaller for summer on the bike.
SIG P938, SAS model. Need to get a few hundred rounds though it so I am comfortable with it. Style and operation is very similar to a 1911 is why this is what I wanted. Wife has it in a P238, which has been 100% reliable.
Post by: kiro on December 04, 2014, 08:20:24 AM
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SIG P938, SAS model. Need to get a few hundred rounds though it so I am comfortable with it. Style and operation is very similar to a 1911 is why this is what I wanted. Wife has it in a P238, which has been 100% reliable.
I like the Sig models. I was traveling yesterday so stopped at the Sig pro shop/academy in Epping, New Hampshire. They have every model hand gun and long-arm on display - interesting to check out although not all are available to purchase. I have a full sized Sig 1911 and have been checking into some smaller models for carry. Hard to made a decision with so many choices available but all would work...
Post by: smkblwr on December 04, 2014, 09:14:17 AM
Post by: VaEagle on December 04, 2014, 11:01:10 AM
Since you are already have a .45 I would stay with that caliber for self defense and if you feel you need something more compact check out the Glock model 36. It is a single stack small .45 , so easy to carry and it will work for self defense beautifully.
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on December 04, 2014, 05:16:58 PM
ALL CCW classes / tests are substandard and not what you need to carry.
Most people including cops shot inocent bystanders because they live in a fantasy world and when the stuff hits the fan they don't have proper training.
I am all for CCW but get some real training. Not from some idiot at the local gun range
Post by: 2 ROSE on December 05, 2014, 11:28:46 PM
I am all for CCW but get some real training. Not from some idiot at the local gun range
I agree... :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Mountainman streetbob on December 07, 2014, 11:47:56 AM
Do people miss in actual shootings due to lack of practice OR lack of focus or lack of will???
I have seen MANY shooters go 90%+ on clays in a miriad of situations and actually only hit 10% of birds in the field. I have seen shooters that can't hit 50% clays do 90%+ on birds...
I have seen identical problems and results with pheasants, quail, ducks, geese etc etc etc... Taking life of any kind takes FOCUS and WILL!
I have trained my kids satisfactorily about rifle shooting but extraordinarily about mindset and discipline. Neither really amazed me with 1 shot kills on dear offhand at 75 and 95 yards... The shot really isn't that hard on a walking or loping deer or elk. Large target relatively close. A lack of will or focus is really the deciding factor.
Same thing with shooting pistols, running deer, running elk, running coyotes, bear, cougars and actual shootings.....
Practice with out the proper mindset AND the WILL to follow through is pointless!
Post by: smkymtnboy on December 07, 2014, 12:09:59 PM
My question is this...very well said!! I know you already know the answer to your question. be interesting to hear from a different mindset.
Do people miss in actual shootings due to lack of practice OR lack of focus or lack of will???
I have seen MANY shooters go 90%+ on clays in a miriad of situations and actually only hit 10% of birds in the field. I have seen shooters that can't hit 50% clays do 90%+ on birds...
I have seen identical problems and results with pheasants, quail, ducks, geese etc etc etc... Taking life of any kind takes FOCUS and WILL!
I have trained my kids satisfactorily about rifle shooting but extraordinarily about mindset and discipline. Neither really amazed me with 1 shot kills on dear offhand at 75 and 95 yards... The shot really isn't that hard on a walking or loping deer or elk. Large target relatively close. A lack of will or focus is really the deciding factor.
Same thing with shooting pistols, running deer, running elk, running coyotes, bear, cougars and actual shootings.....
Practice with out the proper mindset AND the WILL to follow through is pointless!
Post by: kiro on December 07, 2014, 01:29:00 PM
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Do people miss in actual shootings due to lack of practice OR lack of focus or lack of will???
I'd say lack of will plays a significant part. It takes brass ones for an average person (non criminal element) to shoot someone with good reason. If you're a responsibly armed citizen (not LE) and you have the will to shoot somebody, the way I see it is your life is pretty much over or at least financially devastated. If you get through the potential criminal charges next comes civil liability, funding a legal team for both issues. Probably a different matter if an intruder enters your home in a ''stand your ground' state, but still extremely problematic and expensive. I carry, but I'd have to be convinced that either I act or me or somebody I care about would be dead or injured if I did not. Even displaying a weapon represents criminal threatening outside your domicile in most places. Should you become involved in a life threatening event and wait for LO to bail you out, they will react, not act. By the time help arrives it would most likely be too late. This is an extremely complex issue...
Post by: 2 ROSE on December 07, 2014, 02:28:09 PM
If you have to stop and think if you should use your firearm or to put it a better way, if you have the time to debate with yourself wether our not you should use your handgun then maybe your life is not in jeopardy at that moment. If you are in fear of your life I am thinking you will know it immediately and have the mindset to act accordingly.
Post by: VaEagle on December 07, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
Proper mindset and will to use deadly force is important issues. Many find it easy to hit the target on a range and yet have trouble in on the street situations. I haven't seen too many cases of it being the other way though in my experience.
Things that can affect accuracy can be from various small things that can add up.
Some examples are:
It may be easier to shoot an animal then a person if you have strict religious beliefs and in the back of your mind you think you may be "murdering" someone.(will to use the force needed.)
Incident occurs when you least expect it (defensive mindset not working at the time). You may be thinking about grocery list etc. when walking into a convenience store not looking for possible suspects etc.
The attacker may not fit your preconceived notion of who you think is dangerous, could be a different color, sex, ethnicity of who you expected or even their age. What if the attacker looks like one of you kids or grandparents? This could delay your response or cause you to miss.
What about if you have the right mindset or will but you have not practiced with new weapon, ammo or carry position? Then you have lighting conditions, have you shot in all lighting setups and weather or clothing layers?
The suspect may not move the way you anticipated, many folks don't realize how fast a self defense situation occurs. And how few shots are fired on average.
As mentioned above you will not be sued or criminally charged in most cases of shooting an animal or target but you should be mentally prepared for legal issues if you use a weapon to defend yourself regardless. Many LEOs are trained to play a "What if" scenarios through their brains while they are on the street so they are mentally prepared to use force with confidence and accuracy if needed. Not to make them paranoid but to prevent if possible any delay in using the amount of force necessary to control a situation so they can end their shift and go home to their families. There can be a delay in your response if you don't know the legality of when you can use deadly force and when you can't. So I encourage everyone who carries to do their homework and understand their responsibilities along with their rights to carry.
Post by: Camojeeper on December 07, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
I'd say lack of will plays a significant part. It takes brass ones for an average person (non criminal element) to shoot someone with good reason. If you're a responsibly armed citizen (not LE) and you have the will to shoot somebody, the way I see it is your life is pretty much over or at least financially devastated. If you get through the potential criminal charges next comes civil liability, funding a legal team for both issues. Probably a different matter if an intruder enters your home in a ''stand your ground' state, but still extremely problematic and expensive. I carry, but I'd have to be convinced that either I act or me or somebody I care about would be dead or injured if I did not. Even displaying a weapon represents criminal threatening outside your domicile in most places. Should you become involved in a life threatening event and wait for LO to bail you out, they will react, not act. By the time help arrives it would most likely be too late. This is an extremely complex issue...kiro I agree with you 100% I carry and I am not (LEO) for me to draw and fire it would have to be very serious. There's insurance out there for those who wish to have it for the off chance you do shoot someone. Then your at least legally covered by an attorney.
Post by: willymax4 on December 07, 2014, 10:52:33 PM
currently a P90 Ruger 45, looking at the S&W Sheild 9mm, and a Glock 42. anyone have any opinions on the sheild 9mm looking at it as an backup to the 45 on trips, but useful as an everyday carry also. like the feel of it and weight of it. the glock is just cute and for the wife mostly "hahaha" any excuse to by two toysI carry a shield in 40cal. it's slimmer than most making it easy to conceal but the 9 mm version only carries 8 rounds in the magazine almost making carrying a second magazine a requirement.(i'm used to my fnp 9 with 16 rounds) I haven't fired the 9 mm but my 40 has a pretty snappy recoil. all in all I like carrying it over any of my other handguns.
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on December 08, 2014, 10:13:32 AM
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?
:indian_chief:
Become a criminal and break the law......................oh wait already do that by exceeding the speed limit.......... :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
Post by: kiro on December 08, 2014, 10:51:15 AM
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Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be traveling through a state that does not honor your cwp?
The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (aka the McClure-Volkmer Act) allows you to transport firearms while following the criteria outlined in the Act - unloaded, neither firearm or ammunition being transported can be readily accessible or directly accessible in the transport vehicle, in locked container, etc. I print and keep a copy of the Act with me if in this situation. However, there are several states with such strict gun laws I simply would never take a chance. Do some research on line and you'll gather plenty of information on which states to avoid.
Post by: MIKEYTEE on December 08, 2014, 11:04:42 AM
Just carry a copy of the 2nd Amendment and a good lawyers phone #.
Mike
:drink:
Post by: VaEagle on December 08, 2014, 11:52:41 AM
Here is a link for guidelines about weapons transport.
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/articles/2010/guide-to-the-interstate-transportation.aspx
Post by: HUBBARD on December 08, 2014, 04:50:36 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 09, 2014, 07:24:33 AM
The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (aka the McClure-Volkmer Act) allows you to transport firearms while following the criteria outlined in the Act - unloaded, neither firearm or ammunition being transported can be readily accessible or directly accessible in the transport vehicle, in locked container, etc. I print and keep a copy of the Act with me if in this situation. However, there are several states with such strict gun laws I simply would never take a chance. Do some research on line and you'll gather plenty of information on which states to avoid.
NJ is one state that does not care about that law! More than one case the NRA has fought NJ this, NRA wins. However the gun owner spent days in Jail, took years to get gun back, and cost many thousands of dollars.
States I avoid like the Plague are NJ, NY, CT, RI and MA. Seems they do not know what the second amendment is. NJ is the worst. IL, OR and CA are the only other states than those in New England that do not honor my permit.
Post by: kiro on December 09, 2014, 08:00:28 AM
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NJ is one state that does not care about that law! More than one case the NRA has fought NJ this, NRA wins. However the gun owner spent days in Jail, took years to get gun back, and cost many thousands of dollars. States I avoid like the Plague are NJ, NY, CT, RI and MA.
You got that right Dave... This is a real problem for me traveling south as I must travel through one or more of the states listed. MA for example has a mandatory one year in prison if you get caught with a gun anywhere in your vehicle. Most information indicates the best thing to do if transporting a weapon is to avoid those states - even if you win you lose in a legal action.
Post by: charles05663 on December 09, 2014, 10:02:07 AM
It is sad that many of the states that were so fundamental in the forming of this nation and on the forefront of firearm development and production are the most hostile to the freedoms enshrined in the Bill of Rights.
It also amazes me that these hostile states including Illinois are home to a large number of firearm manufactures. I think that they should make a statement and move ALL operations to 2nd Amendment friendly states.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: MKW on December 09, 2014, 12:44:07 PM
SCCY CPX-2 9mm in the RV
Wife carries Taurus 380
Post by: jachd17 on December 09, 2014, 05:27:01 PM
Post by: porthole on December 09, 2014, 07:11:10 PM
NJ is one state that does not care about that law! More than one case the NRA has fought NJ this, NRA wins. However the gun owner spent days in Jail, took years to get gun back, and cost many thousands of dollars.
States I avoid like the Plague are NJ, NY, CT, RI and MA. Seems they do not know what the second amendment is. NJ is the worst. IL, OR and CA are the only other states than those in New England that do not honor my permit.
You can add maryland to that list.
Post by: 2 ROSE on December 09, 2014, 07:18:39 PM
For sure I will inquire with Autotrain when I am ready...just wondering if anyone has traveled that way with their firearm.
Post by: CVOStreetglide on December 09, 2014, 08:45:55 PM
I am in the very preliminary stages of considering a trip to florida with the harley via the Autotrain. Does anyone know if I can take my firearm if properly packed in my luggage?
For sure I will inquire with Autotrain when I am ready...just wondering if anyone has traveled that way with their firearm.
As many have already posted, you will be at risk traveling down I-95 through Maryland, DC And part of Virginia to get to Lorton where the Auto Train Loads up.
I sincerely doubt that anyone who loads up the vehicles on the train will go through your stuff packed on the bike especially if your hard bag is locked. I wouldn't be "packing" on the train or keep it in your luggage.
I have considered using the Auto Train in reverse from Sanford Florida to Lorton Virginia and would be interested in your trip report.
Regards
Post by: OBB on December 09, 2014, 09:50:15 PM
Post by: graygus on December 09, 2014, 10:23:23 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 09, 2014, 11:37:11 PM
You can add maryland to that list.
Correct. Forgot, MD checks your tags to find out if you have a CCW and then pulls you over if you do.
Sad the east coast is so ate up with these anti gun states.
Chicago should be proof that the strictest gun laws do not reduce crime.
Post by: srnoyes on December 10, 2014, 10:02:09 PM
Post by: smkymtnboy on December 17, 2014, 09:02:05 AM
Chicago, and New York, and Los Angeles, and Washington D.C., and the list goes on and on. They continue to stick with the fantasy that criminals will obey the law when it comes to gun control even though by definition they are criminals and don't care about societies laws in the first place. Yet the rich and famous, the elite, and the politicians run around surrounded by armed body guards while us common folk fend for ourselves!real easy solution!! just move. would not live in location as you just described. if, not for themselves at least move for their families! I understand what your saying. But, these folks really and intensely believe what they preach. better just to leave them with it.
Post by: danner55 on December 17, 2014, 09:22:40 AM
Bring em down here! :)
Post by: srnoyes on December 17, 2014, 03:51:19 PM
Post by: smkymtnboy on December 17, 2014, 07:53:34 PM
Problem with moving out of an anti-gun state is that you are just giving up. If you don't stay and fight for your constitutional rights you are just letting them grow stronger and then they move on your new adopted state! You need look no further than Colorado! They have taken over every thing north and south of Denver trying to control everything from guns to wood burning stoves. I've heard that they are trying to worm their way into Wyoming and Montana slowly pressuring everyone to take up legislation to turn things into the Californicated Republic they just ran from because of the draconian controls instituted there. :soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox:not everyone in fact most folks who work and run business do not believe as these nuts do. so,when those folks leave so does the revenue. that pretty much takes care of everything else.
Post by: srnoyes on December 17, 2014, 10:09:01 PM
Post by: smkymtnboy on December 17, 2014, 10:22:02 PM
Post by: 2 ROSE on December 17, 2014, 11:41:18 PM
It would be interesting...
I would hope my decedents would choose the first.
Post by: Quantumracer on December 17, 2014, 11:52:03 PM
I've owned the bike for ten days, so haven't decided where I am going to carry my sig. It stays in my jacket for now. My .380 is an appendix carry, so it stays there unless I'm sitting on the toilet answering questions on the forum with my iPad. :huepfenlol2:
:drink:
Post by: J.Mart60 on December 18, 2014, 03:29:49 AM
Post by: Camojeeper on December 18, 2014, 06:04:52 AM
I too am a shoulder carry while mounted
Post by: Quantumracer on December 18, 2014, 09:40:55 AM
TMI there Quantumracer lol
ROTFLMAO....at least I didn't go here..... :worthless: :drink:
Post by: Quantumracer on December 18, 2014, 09:47:21 AM
Quantum there's a real nice saddle bag safe out there it's a page or two back..
I too am a shoulder carry while mounted
Thanks, I will check that out. I have been thinking about this since the moment I test rode her.....only two decent options I can come up with are a shoulder holster under my jacket, and some type of custom tank bag/holster that allows immediate acces but doesn't print. Idk....I will continue to shoulder and appendix carry until something better presents itself.
Post by: Camojeeper on December 18, 2014, 02:17:56 PM
I know this is a very long thread and many side discussions have been brought up, but weapon carry on bikes have been discussed in the past with various viewpoints offered.I am seriously looking at this vault. Not so much for carry as a safe place to lock up my glock if I need to. Now personally I'm not a fan of appendix carry. Especially while on the bike. It will almost always print. I carry a glock 23 in a Galco "Miami classic" rig. It is very hidden under my leather vest as well as most comfortable/ non restrictive. Just my .02
Just my .02 based on about 36 years of carry so far. You should strive to always carry your weapon on the person so you have physical control and speed on your side. When you put a weapon on a bike it is slower to reach and you run the risk of theft unless you get a vault to secure the weapon. That of course means a lack of speed if needed in a hurry.
Here is a good vault if you must store valuables of any type on a bike:
http://www.consolevault.com/harley-davidson-bagger-vault.html
Post by: OBB on December 18, 2014, 04:15:41 PM
http://www.eglidegoodies.com/id226.html
Post by: VaEagle on December 18, 2014, 06:31:16 PM
http://www.consolevault.com/harley-davidson-bagger-vault.html
Post by: srnoyes on December 18, 2014, 11:35:32 PM
Post by: WestCoastRuss on December 25, 2014, 09:37:04 PM
Beside my bed a gun I keep...
When I wake and your inside...
A coroner's van will be your ride.
Post by: kiro on December 26, 2014, 11:27:48 AM
Quote
Now I lay me down to sleep....
Beside my bed a gun I keep...
When I wake and your inside...
A coroner's van will be your ride.
Nice - LOL! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: SHRK2TH on December 28, 2014, 07:47:27 AM
Post by: spydglide on December 28, 2014, 08:08:30 AM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 28, 2014, 09:36:20 PM
Traded off my Kimber yesterday for this Wilson CQB Elite. Heading out this morning to the range.
Love your new Wilson! I want one bad.
I am down to just one Kimber, the others have been replaced with a Les Bear Stinger, a Ed Brown Special Forces, and an Ed Brown Elite Centennial. I now have my sights on getting a Wilson Combat 1911. Saving for it, think it will be Christmas to me next year.
Post by: SHRK2TH on December 29, 2014, 08:14:50 AM
Like the feel of the feel of the grips, and very smooth trigger pull. First shot was a 1/2" from bulls eye. Not sure of the front green sight yet, may have them changed out.
Dave, I am one of them that dont spend a little on alot of guns, I spend alot on one...
Happy Holidays to all
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on December 29, 2014, 09:27:07 AM
Ditch the green front sight. Get a black post. Everything else is gimmicks. Although I have night sights on one of mine it's in reality not very useful as a civilian.
Post by: Quantumracer on December 29, 2014, 08:39:35 PM
I have a few Wilson CQBs. If you are of "bulls eye" it's you not the gun.
Ditch the green front sight. Get a black post. Everything else is gimmicks. Although I have night sights on one of mine it's in reality not very useful as a civilian.
I disagree that night sights are of little use to civilians. I have sig night sights on my 2022, and mk25. When I wake up in the middle of the night to hit the head (sucks getting old) it's comforting knowing in a real world scenario I won't have to guess where my weapon is....I can see the top of it instantly. Micro seconds matter!!!
Of course nothing beats practice!
Dan
:drink:
Post by: spydglide on December 29, 2014, 09:29:22 PM
Post by: Quantumracer on December 29, 2014, 09:33:19 PM
The downside to night sights is having to replace them when they 'die'.
True statement....down side to fumbling too long for your gun in the dark...you die...no replacement available. :2vrolijk_21:
:drink:
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 29, 2014, 09:36:42 PM
I disagree that night sights are of little use to civilians. I have sig night sights on my 2022, and mk25. When I wake up in the middle of the night to hit the head (sucks getting old) it's comforting knowing in a real world scenario I won't have to guess where my weapon is....I can see the top of it instantly. Micro seconds matter!!!
Of course nothing beats practice!
Dan
:drink:
I agree, my XD-40 has trijcon night sights. Its my night stand gun. I like being able to see it in the dark. My Kimber Ultra CDP also has night sights, its one of my carry guns.
On my 1911's my favorit is on my Browns, a plane u in the back with a gold bead up front.
The new Sig P938 I bought my self for christmas, as I wanted a smaller carry for summer than a 1911 has night sights.
Post by: Quantumracer on December 29, 2014, 09:42:10 PM
I agree, my XD-40 has trijcon night sights. Its my night stand gun. I like being able to see it in the dark. My Kimber Ultra CDP also has night sights, its one of my carry guns.
On my 1911's my favorit is on my Browns, a plane u in the back with a gold bead up front.
The new Sig P938 I bought my self for christmas, as I wanted a smaller carry for summer than a 1911 has night sights.
Nice....sig night sights? I love the sig night sights.....definitely won't buy another gun without them. Of course I am partial to sig for carry, and STI for target/range (which doesn't need night sights).
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Post by: 2 ROSE on December 29, 2014, 10:31:59 PM
:)
Post by: Quantumracer on December 29, 2014, 10:41:08 PM
Boy you guys talking about night sights and the like. From the topic of sights you must all be fairly young...meaning below fifty. When you get to be my age sight types aren't that important anymore. By time my old eyes can focus lining up front with rear on target...if at all...I figure to be dead...shot by the bad guy. In both my XD40's I have the internal Lazer-Max. I can put the red dot pretty quick on center of mass 8" dia. Yeah I know I am no marksman but I have confidence that I can get the job done if need be within 21 feet...otherwise I am running for cover.
:)
LOL.....you're absolutely right! I have one laser, one one gun, and it sits on my nightstand. My glasses (and eyes for that matter) won't be worth a hill of beans if something were to happen. Red dot center mass, pull trigger....twice, dial 911. Night sites are to find the gun quickly, nothing more. I'm 47 btw....so you were on target there too!
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Post by: VaEagle on December 30, 2014, 12:57:10 PM
Post by: charles05663 on December 30, 2014, 03:10:22 PM
http://www.surefire.com/illumination/weaponlights/handgun.html
All's you have to do is turn it on and it blind the s**t out of the person. When I have tested it on myself, I could not see for at least 5 minutes.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: Quantumracer on December 30, 2014, 05:35:31 PM
I have an older version of this:
http://www.surefire.com/illumination/weaponlights/handgun.html
All's you have to do is turn it on and it blind the s**t out of the person. When I have tested it on myself, I could not see for at least 5 minutes.
:oops: :nixweiss:
NICE! I keep a 300 lumin tac light in the same spot next to my gun....a laser/light combo is next on my list....I don't want to fumble around with an 'extra' light in a self defense situation.
:drink:
Post by: 2 ROSE on December 30, 2014, 07:54:13 PM
Post by: Quantumracer on December 30, 2014, 08:31:29 PM
Just make sure you hold the light away from your body. Light location could be a DEAD give away of your location. I personally would rather, while still under cover, to notify the bad guy that I am armed and dangerous and will not hesitate to shoot while still keeping my exact location unknown to the intruder thereby giving the intruder the opportunity to vacate the premises. I do not understand the logic of revealing you location to the intruder...part of your advantage would be the element of surprise which you are relinquishing without obtaining any clear advantage by shining a light in their eyes if you are lucky enough to know where their eyes are while in the dead of darkness...just my opinion.
I get the idea, I taught that process of light location when clearing spaces, and it is a proven method of deception; however, I don't subscribe to it in a late night surprise scenario....I want eyes and light on target, and hot lead down range NOW. There's likely to be no time for deception because you're prone and mentally foggy when the scenario begins, which makes practice so important. Muscle memory is your best defense!
Regardless of what anyone's plan is.....practice, practice, practice!!!
Here's hoping no one here is ever faced with this problem!!!
:drink:
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 30, 2014, 08:58:27 PM
I have an older version of this:
http://www.surefire.com/illumination/weaponlights/handgun.html
All's you have to do is turn it on and it blind the s**t out of the person. When I have tested it on myself, I could not see for at least 5 minutes.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Mine is an oder version with a red dot laser also. It's mounted on my XD-40 night stand gun with night sights.
If I hear some one in my House at night and my wife is next to me, they do not belong there.
Post by: Quantumracer on December 30, 2014, 09:16:16 PM
Mine is an oder version with a red dot laser also. It's mounted on my XD-40 night stand gun with night sights.
If I hear some one in my House at night and my wife is next to me, they do not belong there.
Which is why I have 4 70 lb dogs....they'll know something is wrong WAY before I do....element of surprise gone! Plus my wife can shoot the wings off a fly inside 20 yards with any of her handguns, so I don't worry when I travel.
:drink:
Post by: 2 ROSE on December 31, 2014, 12:00:00 AM
I get the idea, I taught that process of light location when clearing spaces, and it is a proven method of deception; however, I don't subscribe to it in a late night surprise scenario....I want eyes and light on target, and hot lead down range NOW. There's likely to be no time for deception because you're prone and mentally foggy when the scenario begins, which makes practice so important. Muscle memory is your best defense!
Regardless of what anyone's plan is.....practice, practice, practice!!!
Here's hoping no one here is ever faced with this problem!!!
:drink:
When in my home to me it is of vital importance to identify the intruder and let him/her know I am armed so as not to be shooting friends or family members...if I receive no response when announcing my intentions then they are fair game. I guess it is different plans for different scenarios for different people...whatever one feels comfortable with.
I do believe however we can all agree on your above last two statements.
Stay Prepared, Stay Safe!
Post by: VaEagle on December 31, 2014, 12:30:51 AM
I try to not "put all my eggs in one basket" by relying on just one aspect like sound, what if the homeowner is drunk or sleepy and slurs his words, there is a nearby noise like a train/airplane etc. or the suspicious person (who may be a friend or family member) is drunk/ sleepy or wearing headphones etc.
In states where there is no "stand your ground law" you may be questioned about the suspect and how did you know if he had the physical ability to cause serious harm or death to you or a family member? I know the old adage about "better to be tried by twelve then carried by six" but think about the legal defense if you could say I did what I could to identify the threat and not just shoot in the dark......especially if the "intruder" was a family member or friend.
Post by: CVOStreetglide on December 31, 2014, 12:17:52 PM
If you are involved in a shooting;
1. Immediately surrender (point to it) the weapon open chambered with the chamber clear and clip removed.
2. State that you were in fear of your life.
3. Advise the officers that you will be happy to talk with them through your attorney. But until then you have nothing else to say.
4. WITH Permission or when asked: Provide them with your Id And your Concealed Weapons Permit.
Sit down where they direct and wait for their directions.
Happy New Year!!
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on December 31, 2014, 02:39:11 PM
Post by: HUBBARD on December 31, 2014, 04:23:15 PM
A clip is used for revolvers, and Pistol use a magazine.
Say what?????
Post by: iski on December 31, 2014, 04:58:05 PM
Not a carry gun - unless you count for quail - got a Stoeger 20 ga semi auto for myself today. Very similar to the Benelli inertia action - not gas powered. Gun's parent company is Beretta which also owns Benelli & Franchi as well as SAKO & a few others.
Post by: Fired00d on December 31, 2014, 05:05:11 PM
Picked up a nice little Sig P238 for the BSR this week. She does not have the hand/wrist strength for the other small semi autos she tried. Cannot pull the slides on them. This one is on a modified 1911 platform with a very easy pull. Came with an extended clip.Mike before you get corrected... "extended clip" = "extended magazine"... but I did know what you meant. ;) :D :2vrolijk_21:
Not a carry gun - unless you count for quail - got a Stoeger 20 ga semi auto for myself today. Very similar to the Benelli inertia action - not gas powered. Gun's parent company is Beretta which also owns Benelli & Franchi as well as SAKO & a few others.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: smkymtnboy on December 31, 2014, 05:48:18 PM
Say what?????new technology hub! all revolvers from this day forward are mandated by order of atf no cylinders only low capacity CLIPS. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: OBB on December 31, 2014, 07:07:09 PM
Magazines are something you read while you're sitting on the toilet....
I thought we were talking about guns ::)
Post by: smkymtnboy on December 31, 2014, 07:09:02 PM
Clips are something one puts in their hair...huh :o you do not have clips for your revolver. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Magazines are something you read while you're sitting on the toilet....
I thought we were talking about guns ::)
Post by: OBB on December 31, 2014, 07:14:13 PM
huh :o you do not have clips for your revolver. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:It's not the most practical conceal piece but I get a lot of compliments on it.
oh,,, can't figure out how to put a clip or a magazine into it. :-\
Post by: Quantumracer on December 31, 2014, 07:16:28 PM
It's not the most practical conceal piece but I get a lot of compliments on it.
oh,,, can't figure out how to put a clip or a magazine into it. :-\
Is that a musket in your pocket, or are you just happy to own a CVO? LOL!
:drink:
Post by: smkymtnboy on December 31, 2014, 07:20:07 PM
It's not the most practical conceal piece but I get a lot of compliments on it.that one is real easy little powder, few BBs.add a nail or two.just point in the general direction and KA-boom. probably legal to carry in all 50 states,maybe?
oh,,, can't figure out how to put a clip or a magazine into it. :-\
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 31, 2014, 09:18:52 PM
Picked up a nice little Sig P238 for the BSR this week. She does not have the hand/wrist strength for the other small semi autos she tried. Cannot pull the slides on them. This one is on a modified 1911 platform with a very easy pull. Came with an extended clip.
When my wife wanted a 380 like all her lady rider friends had she wanted a Ruger LCP or a BodyGuard. I did not want her to have either, felt the Sig was a much better 380. So with her friends we went to the range, and I took a friends P238. After my wife shot 4 different 380's she wanted the Sig P238 with out me saying a word. If I would have told her it was the best, she would have never got it. We have just over 1000 rounds thru it with zero issues. Its her carry.
I just got the P938, same gun but in 9mm for summer carry, I will keep carrying the 1911's in the spring fall and winter.
Post by: jachd17 on December 31, 2014, 10:06:16 PM
Post by: iski on January 01, 2015, 08:09:06 AM
Mike before you get corrected... "extended clip" = "extended magazine"... but I did know what you meant. ;) :D :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Thanks Dood! Will "clip" for future reference. :2vrolijk_21:
;D
Chose to not renew my subscription, so my magazine was not "extended" - know what you mean as well.
;D
Post by: iski on January 01, 2015, 08:15:17 AM
When my wife wanted a 380 like all her lady rider friends had she wanted a Ruger LCP or a BodyGuard. I did not want her to have either, felt the Sig was a much better 380. So with her friends we went to the range, and I took a friends P238. After my wife shot 4 different 380's she wanted the Sig P238 with out me saying a word. If I would have told her it was the best, she would have never got it. We have just over 1000 rounds thru it with zero issues. Its her carry.
I just got the P938, same gun but in 9mm for summer carry, I will keep carrying the 1911's in the spring fall and winter.
Thanks,very good to know. I have the LCP a good gun also. Like that Sig better though.
Good friend brought one for his wife recently. Wife tried it & liked it. One of the other wimmens liked it also so now 3 of them have one. Got it at Academy for a better price than could find online at the time.
Post by: mr_magoo on January 08, 2015, 09:04:31 AM
Post by: skippy on January 08, 2015, 02:15:43 PM
I prefer the Kahr PM45 for summer carry. Other seasons the Glock 30SF. Both very concealable but still got the punch of the .45.Great choice i just strapped on the kahr a few minutes ago to go out I carry a 45 because they don,t make a 46
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on January 10, 2015, 12:57:45 PM
I just picked up a Sig P938 a couple of week ago and put 500 rounds thru it with no issues. It will replace my XD sub compact as primary carry.
I carry a P938 Blackwood in the summer, and my wife has its little brother the P238 Blackwood. I think the P938 is just about the perfect CC gun... Small, light, accurate, easily concealed, and reliable. It fits my hand like a glove. I carry it in a nice Tommy Theis combat-cut horsehide holster. I have the extended mag, and I carry a spare extended mag in my weak side pocket.
I got these new guns for Christmas (presents to myself!) - a Beretta full-size PX4 pistol and a Beretta CX4 carbine.... both in .40 cal (my favorite). They use the same 14-round mags, and I have 5 of them. I will be carrying the PX4 in the cold months, as soon as the Crossbreed IWB holster arrives. I got a nice 1.75" x 1/4" thick Daltech gun belt to hold the weight of the PX4, too... it's just a TAD heavier than the P938! LOL
I REALLY like the way these Berettas shoot! I got a nice foregrip for the CX4 with a 600 lumen LED light and a blindingly-bright strobe on it, and also a red dot sight. Got a light/strobe for the PX4 as well. It's on my nightstand.
Post by: jachd17 on January 17, 2015, 10:43:19 AM
I carry a P938 Blackwood in the summer, and my wife has its little brother the P238 Blackwood. I think the P938 is just about the perfect CC gun... Small, light, accurate, easily concealed, and reliable. It fits my hand like a glove. I carry it in a nice Tommy Theis combat-cut horsehide holster. I have the extended mag, and I carry a spare extended mag in my weak side pocket.
I got these new guns for Christmas (presents to myself!) - a Beretta full-size PX4 pistol and a Beretta CX4 carbine.... both in .40 cal (my favorite). They use the same 14-round mags, and I have 5 of them. I will be carrying the PX4 in the cold months, as soon as the Crossbreed IWB holster arrives. I got a nice 1.75" x 1/4" thick Daltech gun belt to hold the weight of the PX4, too... it's just a TAD heavier than the P938! LOL
I REALLY like the way these Berettas shoot! I got a nice foregrip for the CX4 with a 600 lumen LED light and a blindingly-bright strobe on it, and also a red dot sight. Got a light/strobe for the PX4 as well. It's on my nightstand.
I picked up the carbine in .45 cal about a year ago. Love the accuracy. Added 200 lumen light with red dot laser. Great shooter. Just wish they made a higher cap mag for the .45, 8 rounders kinda suck...
Post by: willyB on January 17, 2015, 11:06:39 AM
I carry a P938 Blackwood in the summer, and my wife has its little brother the P238 Blackwood. I think the P938 is just about the perfect CC gun... Small, light, accurate, easily concealed, and reliable. It fits my hand like a glove. I carry it in a nice Tommy Theis combat-cut horsehide holster. I have the extended mag, and I carry a spare extended mag in my weak side pocket.I've been carrying the Sig P238 for sometime now. Love it!
I got these new guns for Christmas (presents to myself!) - a Beretta full-size PX4 pistol and a Beretta CX4 carbine.... both in .40 cal (my favorite). They use the same 14-round mags, and I have 5 of them. I will be carrying the PX4 in the cold months, as soon as the Crossbreed IWB holster arrives. I got a nice 1.75" x 1/4" thick Daltech gun belt to hold the weight of the PX4, too... it's just a TAD heavier than the P938! LOL
I REALLY like the way these Berettas shoot! I got a nice foregrip for the CX4 with a 600 lumen LED light and a blindingly-bright strobe on it, and also a red dot sight. Got a light/strobe for the PX4 as well. It's on my nightstand.
If I didn't already own the 238 the 938 would be on my hip.
Post by: 2k on January 17, 2015, 11:14:37 AM
When my wife wanted a 380 like all her lady rider friends had she wanted a Ruger LCP or a BodyGuard. I did not want her to have either, felt the Sig was a much better 380. So with her friends we went to the range, and I took a friends P238. After my wife shot 4 different 380's she wanted the Sig P238 with out me saying a word. If I would have told her it was the best, she would have never got it. We have just over 1000 rounds thru it with zero issues. Its her carry.
I just got the P938, same gun but in 9mm for summer carry, I will keep carrying the 1911's in the spring fall and winter.
I would only love to have some of your problems.........Guns, Cars or Scooters
Decisions, decisions, decisions.............must be a tough world for you!!!!! :huepfenlol2:
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on January 17, 2015, 10:04:12 PM
I picked up the carbine in .45 cal about a year ago. Love the accuracy. Added 200 lumen light with red dot laser. Great shooter. Just wish they made a higher cap mag for the .45, 8 rounders kinda suck...
That's why I bought the .40 cal CX4 and PX4... They each came with two 14-round mags, and I can get 17-round mags for them. I have 5 14-round mags now, and I will probably buy some 17-round mags.
I'd much rather have 14 (or 17) rounds of .40 cal BJHP Federal HTX 180 grain rounds in either gun than only 8 rounds of any .45 ACP.
You can even get 30-round mags for the 9mm version of them!
Ken
Post by: jachd17 on January 17, 2015, 11:21:54 PM
That's why I bought the .40 cal CX4 and PX4... They each came with two 14-round mags, and I can get 17-round mags for them. I have 5 14-round mags now, and I will probably buy some 17-round mags.
I'd much rather have 14 (or 17) rounds of .40 cal BJHP Federal HTX 180 grain rounds in either gun than only 8 rounds of any .45 ACP.
You can even get 30-round mags for the 9mm version of them!
Ken
Very true, but you just can't beat a .45 for knock down power. Especially in Ranger 230 grain +P. It's not called a "flying ash tray" for nuthin.. ;)
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on January 18, 2015, 01:03:35 AM
Very true, but you just can't beat a .45 for knock down power. Especially in Ranger 230 grain +P. It's not called a "flying ash tray" for nuthin.. ;)
No doubt that .45 ACP rules in pure stationary target knockdown power.... but I'll bet in a real shooter situation, in which the bad guys are not stationary, but are moving around unpredictably, 14 .40 cal HPs (or even 9mm) in a single mag would be preferable to 8 .45s, with reloading. That's 6 more chances to actually hit the bad guys without reloading. In an active shooter situation, it's more about the number of shots you can get off than it is about the power of a single shot.
And, energy delivered = bullet mass x velocity. In many of those comparisons, the 9mm actually wins. That's why many LE organizations have gone back to the 9mm. More shots = more effective threat deterrent, at lower cost.
I carry both (albeit usually not at the same time)... a 9mm P938 and a .40 cal PX4. I'm more confident with the 14-round PX4, with an extra weak-side 14-round mag in my pocket. That's 28 rounds with a single reload.
With the P938, I only have 7 in each mag... 15 shots total (one in the chamber on the first mag). Basically, I have double that firepower with the .40 cal... with a bigger bullet. But the P938 is easily HALF the size of the full-size PX4, and the extra single-stack 9mm mag is minuscule compared to the double-stack .40 cal PX4 mag.
Kinda depends what mood I'm in. Like one of my Army friends says... the 1911 .45 ACP is my normal CC gun... but the Walther PPK is what I carry in "church clothes"...
Ken
Post by: VaEagle on January 18, 2015, 03:56:31 AM
We can always invent scenarios where a hand cannon with large capacity of rounds is needed to stop the hoards of bad guys attacking.
In reality the average self defense shooting is against one person within 21 feet and only 2 or 3 shots are fired. The reason multiple offender and large number of rounds fired makes the news is that it was out of the ordinary. People who carry for self defense may get tired lugging a large capacity weapon around or have trouble concealing it so they stop carrying it. It's better to carry a comfortable weapon that you can hit the target reliably with then spray and pray.
When you look at history the .45ACP was developed for it's stopping power since the soldiers fighting the Morros in the Philippines were complaining that the standard issue .38 couldn't stop the charging enemy. When you look at one shot stops in police and other shootings you will always find the .45ACP at or very near the top of the chart.
The U.S. Military was interested in keeping the .45ACP in service but they had to look at ammo resupply issues and the rest of NATO was using the .9mm so that pushed the change to .9mm. The military also taught things like field of fire and spraying enough rounds down range to have something hit the enemy. (one reason for full auto fire) but after awhile controlled fire was considered a better tactic (One reason for 3 shot burst vs. full auto).
The military also doesn't worry about where each fired round goes since they don't have to worry like a police officer or a civilian about hitting innocent bystanders.
I personally would worry about hosing down a neighborhood or parking lot with 30 rounds or more. I know it's better to be tried by twelve then carried by 6 but you better have some good legal defense in a shooting.
Police departments select weapons for many different reasons which may not translate for individual personal carry. Many departments standardize and require all officers to carry the same gun regardless of assignment (unless undercover) and sometimes even off-duty so they make compromises so that it works in uniform and off-duty as well as for large officers and petite ones. Sometimes departments resist moving to a larger caliber because they feel their smaller officers can't handle the size of the weapon or it's recoil. Sometimes selections of weapons are made based on contracts with a certain manufacturer or distributor not because of officer input.
I would also encourage a person who carries for self defense to try and stay with one caliber and style of gun in the same location of carry so it becomes second nature and you don't have to be concerned about mechanics of draw and fire and you won't have to worry about different weapon functions and ballistics.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 18, 2015, 08:05:25 AM
I've been carrying the Sig P238 for sometime now. Love it!
If I didn't already own the 238 the 938 would be on my hip.
My wife has been carrying the P238 for a few years. It has never failed to fire or any other hiccup, it has around 2K rounds through it. I like it so much, was the reason I picked the P938 up for me for a summer carry.
Post by: FL CVO on January 18, 2015, 10:13:30 AM
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on January 18, 2015, 10:24:54 AM
Just picked up a S&W M&P Shield in 9mm. Slim frame, lightweight, and at $320 I couldn't pass it up. Now to save up for my wife's Ruger LCR in .357.
That's a nice gun, and it's priced well. You got a good deal. I have a friend who just got rid of his Kahr 9mm and bought one of those. He loves it. He's a BIG guy with big hands, but he likes the slimness of the Shield.
The grip is a little too long front-to-back in relation to its width for me, though. I much prefer the fit of my P938 in my hand.
Ken
Post by: smkymtnboy on January 18, 2015, 11:46:43 AM
Ah the old favorite caliber debate raising it's head again....... :huepfenlol2:that 21 ft. is somewhat disputed according to where the numbers are coming from. some numbers are suggesting as little as 7 ft. distance. avg number of shots fired in civilian confrontation do suggest 2-3 shots fired. (f.b.i. number at one time suggested 1.7 shots fired.) think everyone agrees caliber is not near as important as familiarity with your weapon of choice. rather see a guy with ruger mk III he can shoot accurately as handcannon blasting away. guided elk hunters for a while way back when same holds true for these type firearms also. practice and experience really does count.does not hurt to be I good physical shape for elk,also. still think best defense is run Forrest run. think you are dead on with your assessment.
We can always invent scenarios where a hand cannon with large capacity of rounds is needed to stop the hoards of bad guys attacking.
In reality the average self defense shooting is against one person within 21 feet and only 2 or 3 shots are fired. The reason multiple offender and large number of rounds fired makes the news is that it was out of the ordinary. People who carry for self defense may get tired lugging a large capacity weapon around or have trouble concealing it so they stop carrying it. It's better to carry a comfortable weapon that you can hit the target reliably with then spray and pray.
When you look at history the .45ACP was developed for it's stopping power since the soldiers fighting the Morros in the Philippines were complaining that the standard issue .38 couldn't stop the charging enemy. When you look at one shot stops in police and other shootings you will always find the .45ACP at or very near the top of the chart.
The U.S. Military was interested in keeping the .45ACP in service but they had to look at ammo resupply issues and the rest of NATO was using the .9mm so that pushed the change to .9mm. The military also taught things like field of fire and spraying enough rounds down range to have something hit the enemy. (one reason for full auto fire) but after awhile controlled fire was considered a better tactic (One reason for 3 shot burst vs. full auto).
The military also doesn't worry about where each fired round goes since they don't have to worry like a police officer or a civilian about hitting innocent bystanders.
I personally would worry about hosing down a neighborhood or parking lot with 30 rounds or more. I know it's better to be tried by twelve then carried by 6 but you better have some good legal defense in a shooting.
Police departments select weapons for many different reasons which may not translate for individual personal carry. Many departments standardize and require all officers to carry the same gun regardless of assignment (unless undercover) and sometimes even off-duty so they make compromises so that it works in uniform and off-duty as well as for large officers and petite ones. Sometimes departments resist moving to a larger caliber because they feel their smaller officers can't handle the size of the weapon or it's recoil. Sometimes selections of weapons are made based on contracts with a certain manufacturer or distributor not because of officer input.
I would also encourage a person who carries for self defense to try and stay with one caliber and style of gun in the same location of carry so it becomes second nature and you don't have to be concerned about mechanics of draw and fire and you won't have to worry about different weapon functions and ballistics.
Post by: jachd17 on January 18, 2015, 06:48:16 PM
Hold on now. Up here in the northeast its primarily .40 or 45. While duty weapons for L.E. are high capacity SHOT PLACEMENT is the main concern, I.E. center mass. Unlike the bad guys the good guys have to account for every round, no "spray and pray". To my knowledge none of the agencies in my area have gone back to 9mm, in fact some are going from .40 to .45. Either round is still effective, especially with some of the loads now available.
Post by: dlaws01 on January 18, 2015, 09:56:58 PM
Post by: OBB on January 18, 2015, 10:10:01 PM
One thing I found out in class I thought was very interesting. In Ohio, a motorcycle is considered the same as a cage for the purpose of carrying a handgun. You cannot open carry a loaded weapon on a bike without a CCW permit. Kinda crazy if you ask me as it would be in plain sight but that's the law here in the Buckeye state. Once I have my Ohio permit, I'll take a quick trip over the border into Pa and pick there's up also. It adds quite a few states to the reciprocity map.
Post by: Bigfoot16 on January 18, 2015, 11:32:48 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 19, 2015, 07:25:30 AM
Just finished up my classes today. A little range time with the instructor and I've got my certificate. I know I've put 1000 rounds through my gun since I got it a little over a month ago.
One thing I found out in class I thought was very interesting. In Ohio, a motorcycle is considered the same as a cage for the purpose of carrying a handgun. You cannot open carry a loaded weapon on a bike without a CCW permit. Kinda crazy if you ask me as it would be in plain sight but that's the law here in the Buckeye state. Once I have my Ohio permit, I'll take a quick trip over the border into Pa and pick there's up also. It adds quite a few states to the reciprocity map.
Most states you can not carry on a bike with out a CCW permit. Also, I would never open carry. I do not want any one to know I have a weapon on me. The element of surprise will work in your favor.
Some states be very very careful if you ever go through them with a gun.
MD for example runs your tags when you enter the state. They know you have a CCW, they will find a reason to stop you, speeding or what ever. They will then search for the gun. If they find it your on your way to Jail. NRA has had to defend several people over this. Even if the gun is un loaded and ammo is locked away from the gun.
NJ is another to Avoid along with CT and MA.
Post by: OBB on January 19, 2015, 08:10:17 AM
Most states you can not carry on a bike with out a CCW permit. Also, I would never open carry. I do not want any one to know I have a weapon on me. The element of surprise will work in your favor.I had read when you posted that before. How in the world do they manage to do it? Cameras or just LEOs running all out of state plates?
Some states be very very careful if you ever go through them with a gun.
MD for example runs your tags when you enter the state. They know you have a CCW, they will find a reason to stop you, speeding or what ever. They will then search for the gun. If they find it your on your way to Jail. NRA has had to defend several people over this. Even if the gun is un loaded and ammo is locked away from the gun.
NJ is another to Avoid along with CT and MA.
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on January 19, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
I would also never carry openly. That's just advertising for trouble...
Ken
Post by: jachd17 on January 19, 2015, 10:44:40 AM
Most states you can not carry on a bike with out a CCW permit. Also, I would never open carry. I do not want any one to know I have a weapon on me. The element of surprise will work in your favor.
Some states be very very careful if you ever go through them with a gun.
MD for example runs your tags when you enter the state. They know you have a CCW, they will find a reason to stop you, speeding or what ever. They will then search for the gun. If they find it your on your way to Jail. NRA has had to defend several people over this. Even if the gun is un loaded and ammo is locked away from the gun.
NJ is another to Avoid along with CT and MA.
Running tags only gives vehicle and registered owner info. Each individual state has a different format for info given, and some can be down right difficult to read. In Ma. a persons CCW status is not part of their vehicle or license information. I have not seen a state that has that info included in a simple vehicle registration query.
Post by: Camojeeper on January 19, 2015, 10:46:56 AM
Just finished up my classes today. A little range time with the instructor and I've got my certificate. I know I've put 1000 rounds through my gun since I got it a little over a month ago.look into the Utah non resident permit it covers 32 states. It's a good one to have
One thing I found out in class I thought was very interesting. In Ohio, a motorcycle is considered the same as a cage for the purpose of carrying a handgun. You cannot open carry a loaded weapon on a bike without a CCW permit. Kinda crazy if you ask me as it would be in plain sight but that's the law here in the Buckeye state. Once I have my Ohio permit, I'll take a quick trip over the border into Pa and pick there's up also. It adds quite a few states to the reciprocity map.
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Post by: spydglide on January 19, 2015, 10:50:56 AM
Running tags only gives vehicle and registered owner info. Each individual state has a different format for info given, and some can be down right difficult to read. In Ma. a persons CCW status is not part of their vehicle or license information. I have not seen a state that has that info included in a simple vehicle registration query.Pretty sure it's included in NC.
Post by: 2 ROSE on January 19, 2015, 10:51:46 AM
...still think best defense is run Forrest run.
I agree...take cover should be step one, priority one.
And I also agree that in your normal everyday pedestrian conflict being proficient in the safe use of your firearm and the delivery of its payload on target is just as or maybe even more important than the size, make or caliber of your firearm.
As I have said in other posts on this site, I am not ex law enforcement nor ex military. But I do fully understand the responsibility I take upon myself everytime I strap on my ccw...and I am also thankful for the right to do so. Fact of the matter is that responsibility does not end if I happen to not be carrying...I am responsible for my ccw 24 hours a day which includes staying proficient in its use.
Thank you to all of you guys who are ex or current law enforcement and military for your service in keeping myself and the rest of us safe. Also, thanks for all of the great info and knowledge you share.
Stay Safe...
Post by: jachd17 on January 19, 2015, 10:53:37 AM
look into the Utah non resident permit it covers 32 states. It's a good one to haveAnd Utah non-resident permit classes are held in many states outside of Utah. The even do several classes a year in Ma.
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Post by: Camojeeper on January 19, 2015, 10:59:17 AM
And Utah non-resident permit classes are held in many states outside of Utah. The even do several classes a year in Ma.exactly I got mine in California thru my local gun trainer. Iirc it was 200 bucks. 5 year permit $15 renewal with out more trainig
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Post by: 2 ROSE on January 19, 2015, 11:09:24 AM
Post by: 16HD117 on January 19, 2015, 03:45:38 PM
http://technaclip.com/
http://technaclip.com/index.php/videos.html
Post by: 16HD117 on January 19, 2015, 03:46:46 PM
Post by: spydglide on January 19, 2015, 06:02:05 PM
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on January 19, 2015, 06:53:54 PM
It is convenient, but every time I consider something like that I remember that the primary reason I want my small pistols in a holster, even in my pocket is to keep the trigger covered for safety. Don't want my chap stick or the errant thread pulling the 'bang stick'. :nervous: spyder
And that's why I will never carry a Glock!
I will only carry guns that have a true ambi safety (I'm a lefty)... like my P938 and PX4, and my wife's little ambi-safety P238. No lemon-squeezers or dual-trigger thingies in my holster.
Ken
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 20, 2015, 07:22:49 AM
I had read when you posted that before. How in the world do they manage to do it? Cameras or just LEOs running all out of state plates?
They have cameras at the interstates taking pictures of the tags of vehicles entering the state, and on may other major roads entering.
Running tags only gives vehicle and registered owner info. Each individual state has a different format for info given, and some can be down right difficult to read. In Ma. a persons CCW status is not part of their vehicle or license information. I have not seen a state that has that info included in a simple vehicle registration query.
Not sure how detailed a tag run they do. There was an Article in the news, on Yahoo just after Christmas about a FL family that was stopped. The police searched their SUV for 2 hours looking for his gun, which he repeatedly told them it was in FL. They put his family in one patrol car and him in another. Two hours later they were let go.
Registered owner info, will let you know if the owner has a CCW. So in my house, all vehicle owners would show up as a CCW holder as both of us have ours.
Post by: Camojeeper on January 20, 2015, 08:45:42 AM
And that's why I will never carry a Glock!I am just the opposite ken I would only carry a Glock
I will only carry guns that have a true ambi safety (I'm a lefty)... like my P938 and PX4, and my wife's little ambi-safety P238. No lemon-squeezers or dual-trigger thingies in my holster.
Ken
No safety no de cocker no B S
Now that being said I buy only Galco holsters so I'm am confident that my weapon is safe
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Post by: spydglide on January 20, 2015, 09:57:30 AM
Post by: 2 ROSE on January 20, 2015, 12:28:45 PM
I am just the opposite ken I would only carry a Glock
No safety no de cocker no B S
Now that being said I buy only Galco holsters so I'm am confident that my weapon is safe
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...and hopefully no shot up personal body parts...
Post by: 16HD117 on January 20, 2015, 01:02:23 PM
It is convenient, but every time I consider something like that I remember that the primary reason I want my small pistols in a holster, even in my pocket is to keep the trigger covered for safety. Don't want my chap stick or the errant thread pulling the 'bang stick'. :nervous: spyder
Don't carry mine in my pocket, I clip it inside my waist band.
But for folks who want it clipped in their pocket they sell a cheesy looking trigger guard.
http://technaclip.com/index.php/lcp-trigger-guard.html
They also sell one for the Glocks which looks much more useable.
http://technaclip.com/index.php/saf-t-blok.html
Post by: VaEagle on January 20, 2015, 01:22:48 PM
You also have to be wary of possible "fallout" of your weapon if it's just in a pocket or clipped in waistband whether by a bump on the road or using a restroom and pants are down..... :huepfenlol2:
Post by: 2 ROSE on January 20, 2015, 01:48:09 PM
Don't carry mine in my pocket, I clip it inside my waist band.
But for folks who want it clipped in their pocket they sell a cheesy looking trigger guard.
http://technaclip.com/index.php/lcp-trigger-guard.html
They also sell one for the Glocks which looks much more useable.
http://technaclip.com/index.php/saf-t-blok.html
Not sure about that inside the waistband style. I am lucky I can fit my big ass in my pants let alone anything else. :)
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on January 20, 2015, 02:09:16 PM
... Not sure about that inside the waistband style. I am lucky I can fit my big ass in my pants let alone anything else. :)
LOL! I have the opposite problem. An inherited condition known as Noassatallitis...
I always carry IWB in a Tommy Theis horsehide (P938) or a Crossbreed SuperTuck horsehide (PX4).
And if I ever have to fire my weapon in self defense, it for sure is NOT going back in my holster until I am sure the threat has been dealt with and the area is secure. Only then will I safe the weapon and re-holster it.
Ken
Post by: HUBBARD on January 20, 2015, 03:52:35 PM
Post by: spydglide on January 20, 2015, 05:43:32 PM
:huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: That's funny, Tommy! All I know is, I've got 18 shots! If I ain't secured the area by then, I'm throwin' the pistol at 'em, and they'll have to shoot me in the a$$, 'cause I'm bookin'! There endeth the lesson. 8) Later--HUBBARDHub, the only reason I'm going to be in a gun fight in the first place is 'cause I couldn't 'book'. And if I remember correctly, you and I both have a hitch in our git-along that pretty much curtails us 'bookin' at any successful pace, so....THERE endeth the lesson. har! spyder
Post by: TinSpinner on January 21, 2015, 09:46:30 AM
And once a round has been jacked into the chamber, the only 'safety' is between your ears.....hence, the now common term 'glock leg' resulting from accidental discharges. :( spyder
I carry a G23 sometimes but it is not my favorite carry piece. Like Ken said, I prefer a manual safety. It is always on my mind to make sure nothing is in the way when I holster my weapon or remove it from the holster. There have been several LEO's that have extensive training that have had ND's due to a drawstring on their jacket or some other object causing their weapon to discharge.
Post by: HUBBARD on January 22, 2015, 11:15:48 AM
Hub, the only reason I'm going to be in a gun fight in the first place is 'cause I couldn't 'book'. And if I remember correctly, you and I both have a hitch in our git-along that pretty much curtails us 'bookin' at any successful pace, so....THERE endeth the lesson. har! spyder
I concur, spyder! :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: Later--HUBBARD
Post by: laylonlor on January 23, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
Post by: Indenial on January 27, 2015, 10:08:55 AM
Post by: T-Roy on January 27, 2015, 10:24:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
Post by: kiro on January 27, 2015, 12:31:02 PM
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Gun Control Exposed.
Interesting video - thanks for posting T-Roy...
Post by: VaEagle on January 27, 2015, 02:39:25 PM
Just wondering----I've been carrying a Glock 26 IWB for 5+ yrs and like it. But even with this small gun it slides my pants down and I have to keep "hiking them up". How do you guys carry a 1911 without your pants fallling off. My body size ain't pretty----I'm top heavy and my belt disappears when it's cinched up. No ass either to hold things up. Anyone else have this problem?
Hi Indenial,
I don't know what type or brand of holster if any you use but I like this style and brand offered by the Glock store.
http://www.glockstore.com/concealment/iwb-holsters/ultra-deep-cover-iwb-holster
As the listing shows it has a rough outside which doesn't slide a lot against skin or underwear so it helps control pants slippage. Yet it's not so rough it rubs you raw (unless you have very sensitive skin I guess?) This holster makes it easy to re-holster your weapon and it's design leads to good concealment even with your shirt tucked inside your pants. Everyone's body type is slightly different and it also depends on weapon placement along the belt line. If you check out the website they carry lots of concealment products including underwear with holsters sewn inside. Another thing is using a good quality gun belt to secure and not a thin flimsy stylish belt.
I commiserate with you I think we have similar builds, I need to wear "big gut- no butt" jeans ......I think my mama fed me "no-azz-at-all" brand baby formula as a kid darn it!
Post by: Indenial on January 27, 2015, 03:46:43 PM
Post by: Royalroadie on January 27, 2015, 04:02:52 PM
Just wondering----I've been carrying a Glock 26 IWB for 5+ yrs and like it. But even with this small gun it slides my pants down and I have to keep "hiking them up". How do you guys carry a 1911 without your pants fallling off. My body size ain't pretty----I'm top heavy and my belt disappears when it's cinched up. No ass either to hold things up. Anyone else have this problem?
One secret is to wear suspenders or braces. If I am carrying my glocks or large frame handgun, a good IWB works well if you have a good gunbelt that is tight. I use Milt Spark, or Super tucks. I have found that for small handguns that front pocket carry in a pocket holster works well and you can have a grip on your firearm when in iffy situations without ever giving off a threating vibe. I actually had a situation where the pocket was better than the pistol on my belt. Two guys where sizing me up and I put my hand in the front pocket and got a grip on the smaller pistol while moving to a barrier between them and myself. If I had reached for my pistol on my waist it might have escalated into a shoot out. They finally figured out I was not going to be a soft target and fled.
Post by: J.Mart60 on January 29, 2015, 11:14:50 AM
Wow, T-Roy, wish that could be on the evening news for more ppl to see.
Post by: smkymtnboy on January 29, 2015, 05:56:16 PM
Gun Control Exposed.you will never see that on the news!! :( :( :( :( unless fox broadcasts it!!
Wow, T-Roy, wish that could be on the evening news for more ppl to see.
Post by: porthole on February 07, 2015, 06:15:52 PM
huh :o you do not have clips for your revolver. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
I have clips for my revolver :nixweiss:
Post by: porthole on February 07, 2015, 06:16:33 PM
When my wife wanted a 380 like all her lady rider friends had she wanted a Ruger LCP or a BodyGuard. I did not want her to have either, felt the Sig was a much better 380. So with her friends we went to the range, and I took a friends P238. After my wife shot 4 different 380's she wanted the Sig P238 with out me saying a word. If I would have told her it was the best, she would have never got it. We have just over 1000 rounds thru it with zero issues. Its her carry.
I just got the P938, same gun but in 9mm for summer carry, I will keep carrying the 1911's in the spring fall and winter.
I bought a BG 380 for my wife to use. One magazine and she handed it back to never touch again.
Post by: cyril on February 07, 2015, 06:39:04 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 07, 2015, 08:44:28 PM
NoI am sure it is illegal to Carry in the UK.
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on February 07, 2015, 11:37:22 PM
We carry in the states for many reasons. Most don't make sense and most should not carry because they can't hit a barn from the inside if the S hits the fan. The CCW training / permit shooting is a joke. Requirement should be. Present a concealed firearm and fire a controlled pair in the torso area in less than 1.5 seconds at 21 ft. If you can't do that Don't CCW.
Oh yeah. I carry a 1911
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on February 08, 2015, 05:27:58 PM
Just wondering----I've been carrying a Glock 26 IWB for 5+ yrs and like it. But even with this small gun it slides my pants down and I have to keep "hiking them up". How do you guys carry a 1911 without your pants fallling off. My body size ain't pretty----I'm top heavy and my belt disappears when it's cinched up. No ass either to hold things up. Anyone else have this problem?
I just bought a DalTech Gun belt... 2" wide x 1/4" thick. It's a big stiff heavy belt that has no problem carrying the full size PX4 in its Crossbreed SuperTuck... even on my small frame.
Ken
Post by: Bigfoot16 on February 11, 2015, 08:28:13 AM
Just wondering----I've been carrying a Glock 26 IWB for 5+ yrs and like it. But even with this small gun it slides my pants down and I have to keep "hiking them up". How do you guys carry a 1911 without your pants fallling off. My body size ain't pretty----I'm top heavy and my belt disappears when it's cinched up. No ass either to hold things up. Anyone else have this problem?
I carry a 4" Dan Wesson in a Brommeland IWB. A good belt keeps everything in place.
Post by: kiro on February 11, 2015, 08:45:13 AM
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A good belt keeps everything in place.
Indeed - a good belt is important, especially with a heavier weapon like a 1911. I've been purchasing horse hide gun belts from the Belt Man in No. Carolina and think they are the best I've tried for this purpose. These belts support a 1911 well in a IWB CrossBreed holster or more conventional OWB holster.
Post by: Camojeeper on February 15, 2015, 01:55:21 AM
...and hopefully no shot up personal body parts...Carry I a shoulder rig so I'm good
Post by: willyB on February 15, 2015, 08:06:09 AM
Gun Control Exposed.Ha! I live just outside of St. Louis proper and nearly every morning on the news is a rundown of the prior evenings murders. It has become our little joke to try and guess the location before they say it. Funny thing is we are right almost always.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
When you do a quick google search of the STL murder rate and locations you will see that 99% are in the the highest overall crime areas of the city. Yeah, you guessed it, The Hood.
Guns aren't the problem for human beings. Guns are a problem for the cockroaches.
Post by: moscooter on February 15, 2015, 10:39:28 AM
I've considered taking the necessary class and getting a CCW permit here in No. Carolina. Without me going back over all 180 pages of this post, has anyone chatted about the alcohol "problem".
In other words, I do enjoy stopping at the local Pub for a couple of beers and from what I have read, it seems your azz is in big trouble if you carry and are in a bar or consume a beer or cocktail or two.
I can't believe most here are tee-totelers (non drinkers)..............so do you absolutely go by the "book" and refrain from hoisting any beers, etc. if you are carrying or just how is that handled by most.
Meantime, I remain reluctant to pursue the idea for that very reason. :nixweiss: :drink:
Post by: Fired00d on February 15, 2015, 11:02:53 AM
:confused5:I would think in most states as it is in VA you can't drink alcoholic beverages while carrying (IMHO this should be common sense for anyone that is going to carry). If caught you most likely will loose your CCW permit along with facing some jail time and being labeled as a felon. If you want/have to drink then you should leave your weapon at home. If you were to be in a situation where you had to use your weapon and it was found/determined you were under the influence it may alter/affect the "justifiable" use of it.
I've considered taking the necessary class and getting a CCW permit here in No. Carolina. Without me going back over all 180 pages of this post, has anyone chatted about the alcohol "problem".
In other words, I do enjoy stopping at the local Pub for a couple of beers and from what I have read, it seems your azz is in big trouble if you carry and are in a bar or consume a beer or cocktail or two.
I can't believe most here are tee-totelers (non drinkers)..............so do you absolutely go by the "book" and refrain from hoisting any beers, etc. if you are carrying or just how is that handled by most.
Meantime, I remain reluctant to pursue the idea for that very reason. :nixweiss: :drink:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: smkymtnboy on February 15, 2015, 01:01:34 PM
I have clips for my revolver :nixweiss:for acp rounds
Post by: porthole on February 15, 2015, 01:10:55 PM
for acp rounds
Ah yup. 2 rounds or 6
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on February 17, 2015, 08:34:45 AM
Post by: VaEagle on February 19, 2015, 01:02:23 PM
http://www.people.com/article/woman-adjusting-bra-holster-shoots-self?xid=rss-topheadlines&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+people%2Fheadlines+%28PEOPLE.com%3A+Top+Headlines%29
Post by: HUBBARD on April 10, 2015, 03:24:15 PM
Post by: MIKEYTEE on April 10, 2015, 04:56:51 PM
Just bought me a New Kimber 1911 Stainless II. Gonna' take the 629 out of the Tour-Pak, and retire it to the Safe. Ordered me a GALCO VHS Shoulder Rig, too. 8 wks. out! Loaded me some 185 & 230 grain Hollow-Points. 185's oughta' go about 1100 fps, and the 230's oughta' be about 1000 fps. Gonna' try the 230's out this evening on an old tree in the back yard, and try to go to the Range tomorrow and slay some Silhouettes. I've never been that fond of Automatics, but obviously a lot easier to conceal and carry on Ol' Maybelle, as opposed to totin' a Hog-Leg around. 8) Later--HUBBARD
But Carl, a hog leg is cool and shows you mean business.
I looked at a scabbard for my bike to carry my 12 gauge pump in. Just not easy to get to. Carry my 38 model 10 in my saddlebag and my 25 semiauto in a safe easy to get to place. And then there's the Ruger security six 357!
Mike
:drink:
Post by: OBB on April 10, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
Just bought me a New Kimber 1911 Stainless II. Gonna' take the 629 out of the Tour-Pak, and retire it to the Safe. Ordered me a GALCO VHS Shoulder Rig, too. 8 wks. out! Loaded me some 185 & 230 grain Hollow-Points. 185's oughta' go about 1100 fps, and the 230's oughta' be about 1000 fps. Gonna' try the 230's out this evening on an old tree in the back yard, and try to go to the Range tomorrow and slay some Silhouettes. I've never been that fond of Automatics, but obviously a lot easier to conceal and carry on Ol' Maybelle, as opposed to totin' a Hog-Leg around. 8) Later--HUBBARDI bought a stack of those at the gun show when I picked up my gun. First time to the range with my buddy who was also my CCW instructor he asked me why I bought them. I thought "huh?", He then promptly pulled out his stack of 9" targets (lesson learned real quick about keeping the groups in a 9" area) which happened to be a nice stack of paper plates. I'm done buying big paper targets. LOL
Post by: spydglide on April 10, 2015, 10:02:36 PM
Post by: 03Lightningrocks on April 12, 2015, 04:17:33 PM
My carry choice often revolves around weather, clothing choices...ect. I am always armed... even when in a place that says I am not allowed. The only thing that will cause me to leave my firearm behind is a metal detector and a serious desire to see a sporting event... LOL. No metal detector = carry concealed.
Post by: ChopperPilot on May 03, 2015, 08:14:08 AM
Post by: ONE2BAJA on May 03, 2015, 10:54:43 PM
Doesn't matter brand/model/caliber/grain/weight etc... Just like riding or anything else. the more you do the better you are! Everything takes practice! would not be caught dead without it!
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on May 04, 2015, 08:56:16 PM
Yes, just added a Sig P938 a couple weeks ago, I've been carrying for years.Got mine in Dec. It's my first 9mm. Got tired of carrying 1911's in the summer just to much effort to keep properly concealed. I really like mine, lots easier to carry.
Post by: Puma on August 22, 2015, 01:58:20 PM
Post by: RGlideKid on September 15, 2015, 04:28:46 PM
I usually have a Sig P238 on me, and then a Kimber with Crimson Trace laser grips in the tour pak or in the car.
Post by: Glock on September 15, 2015, 04:46:16 PM
Glock model 27 .40 with cross breed concealed holster.
If I need it (hope I never will), then its at 5:00 pm on right hip with one in the chute..
I will take my chances with the law should it come to that.
I still believe in the justice system.
Tom
Post by: 32Lager on March 21, 2016, 09:37:32 PM
Post by: jc15025 on March 21, 2016, 11:08:48 PM
Post by: OBB on March 22, 2016, 06:36:30 AM
My wife decided on a Glock 43 a few weeks ago. I added an Edge connector to give it a lighter, smoother trigger pull, then installed magazine +1 extenders. Very compact and it fits her small hands better than four other models. Her Remora holster just came the other day. There's no belt clip on these and it's soft and sticky which gives her a lot of different options.I just started looking for a smaller gun for summer carry. Right now I have a G23 and an XD.Mods2 which are both compact but a little hard to hide for me. How is she liking that 43? It's on my list to check out mainly because the grip angle is the same as my 23 so the sight angle would be real close.
Post by: Royalroadie on March 22, 2016, 08:32:54 AM
I just heard there was another terrorist attack in Belgium this morning. If the people in France could have protected themselves maybe there would have been a lot fewer deaths. I could care less about what happens to the terrorist. It would do my heart good too here that a terrorist was shot 75 times. It makes me sick watching governments turn their citizens into sheep waiting to be slaughtered.
Do I carry? All I can say is, don't try to attack me or mine?
But do I have an opinion on the subject? Not really!
Post by: Pig Chaser on March 22, 2016, 09:25:12 AM
Post by: HUBBARD on March 22, 2016, 10:01:24 AM
Post by: spydglide on March 22, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
Local rides I'm usually packing a Colt .380 (Mark IV/Series 80) Government Model, w/hollow points. Out on the Big Road, I'm packin' a Kimber .45, in a shoulder-holster. Hope I never have to use 'em in self-defense. But as DeNiro told Pacino in "HEAT", "I would not hesitate." Too old to trade punches now! 8) Later--HUBBARDYeah, a old dog will hurt you quicker & deeper for a reason.
Post by: HUBBARD on March 22, 2016, 10:43:18 AM
Post by: spydglide on March 22, 2016, 11:06:42 AM
. Har. spyder
Post by: MIKEYTEE on March 22, 2016, 12:07:19 PM
Local rides I'm usually packing a Colt .380 (Mark IV/Series 80) Government Model, w/hollow points. Out on the Big Road, I'm packin' a Kimber .45, in a shoulder-holster. Hope I never have to use 'em in self-defense. But as DeNiro told Pacino in "HEAT", "I would not hesitate." Too old to trade punches now! 8) Later--HUBBARD
Hub, I just want to know what is considered local to you. I do remember riding the wonderful roads of West Virginia with you leading the ride and I'm sure you had the Kimber .45 in that shoulder-holster.
I did feel protected.
Mike
:drink:
Post by: AMEDD_SFC on March 22, 2016, 12:22:34 PM
Those grips are just cool, spyder! Been looking for some Walnut grips for my .380, but ain't found 'em yet. Don't know where I could find some, do ya'? Don't care too much for the factory black ones. Later--HUBBARD
These guys do an assortment of grips for 1911s. wickedgrips.com (http://wickedgrips.com) I have an old 1911 (1965) that the original grips shrunk up on. I got some really nice ebony grips from them.
Depending on your frame type this may not be of much help, however. They're worth a look in case you have another roscoe needing grips.
M
Post by: HUBBARD on March 22, 2016, 12:24:37 PM
Hub, let me dig through my stuff, I may have some. Just had some Ivory ones made for my Gov't.380 which I've carried for many years when a .45 was too 'large or heavy'. Lucky that I got this one back when it was taken as 'evidence' when I was run over on the Huckleberry a few years back. Also lucky that I didn't pull the trigger on the old dude that pulled out into me and stood off watching as cars went around me as I lay in the rain in the middle of the road. But, that's another story for another time ;)
. Har. spyder
Thanks, spyder. Yeah, I remember that! You were lucky.........and so was he! Later--HUBBARD
Post by: HUBBARD on March 22, 2016, 12:27:17 PM
Hub, I just want to know what is considered local to you. I do remember riding the wonderful roads of West Virginia with you leading the ride and I'm sure you had the Kimber .45 in that shoulder-holster.
I did feel protected.
Mike
:drink:
I did, MIKEY! That was a good ride, even if SHRADER did say I got lost! LMAO! Later--HUBBARD
Post by: HUBBARD on March 22, 2016, 12:37:51 PM
These guys do an assortment of grips for 1911s. wickedgrips.com (http://wickedgrips.com) I have an old 1911 (1965) that the original grips shrunk up on. I got some really nice ebony grips from them.
Depending on your frame type this may not be of much help, however. They're worth a look in case you have another roscoe needing grips.
M
Thanks, M. Nice lookin' piece! I'll look at that. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: HUBBARD on March 22, 2016, 12:49:10 PM
Post by: TNCarters on March 22, 2016, 12:58:40 PM
Someone earlier mentioned the Glock 43. My wife got a G43 Talo for Christmas and I put Talon rubber grips on it. That's one nice shooting light auto. Love the Talo sights.
Post by: kiro on March 22, 2016, 01:46:19 PM
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I grew up shooting revolvers and just cant get away from loving them
I like revolvers as well and have five. As far as concealed carry, the attached image denotes my preferences. The Kimber .45 is my favorite carry piece, but harder to conceal depending on how I'm dressed. I have both an ankle and small of the back holster for the S&W J frame, but it generally stays in my truck most of the time or on my person if riding. I don't carry when traveling the northeast corridor heading south on four wheels or two - those states take a dim view on carrying, legally or not...
Post by: 32Lager on March 22, 2016, 04:40:50 PM
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I just started looking for a smaller gun for summer carry. Right now I have a G23 and an XD.Mods2 which are both compact but a little hard to hide for me. How is she liking that 43? It's on my list to check out mainly because the grip angle is the same as my 23 so the sight angle would be real close.She hasn't had a gun in her hands for years but her job has been taking her into some rough neighborhoods. One night she said "Let's go look for something I can shoot." No problem... I came up with a list of small striker fire 9mm's and the 43 fit her the best. They had an indoor range where we bought it and for $15, an NRA instructor worked with her through the first box of 50. Now, she shoots one or two boxes of shells a week so I'm building us a steel target range below the house.
Post by: Unbalanced on March 22, 2016, 05:42:07 PM
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Highpoint 9mm Carbine
My new IWB VM2 holster came in too for my M&P 9c with Crimson Tracer.
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Post by: grandpadoc on March 23, 2016, 10:26:01 AM
We both have applied for the Arizona CCW permit and are waiting for the reply and hope it will be the first step to for one in CA, but are not holding our breaths. For now concealed carry is only legal while camping here.
Post by: RGlideKid on March 23, 2016, 11:39:09 AM
This holster has proven to be the one I keep coming back to for comfort.
Post by: HUBBARD on March 23, 2016, 01:31:37 PM
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Post by: BigLew on March 23, 2016, 02:37:17 PM
BigLew
Post by: HUBBARD on March 23, 2016, 03:44:09 PM
I carry a Kimber .45 Auto on Ol' Maybelle, but the Model leaves me. Can't believe that......gettin' old, I guess! Have to look when I get home. It's the first Kimber I've ever owned. I've always been a Colt fan, but I was pleasantly surprised when I first took the Kimber to the Gun Club. Great Gun! Later--HUBBARD
Post by: 2k on March 23, 2016, 05:16:02 PM
Anyone see the new Kimber K-6? wheel gun?
BigLew
Here you go, Lew
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 23, 2016, 09:03:59 PM
My new IWB VM2 holster came in too for my M&P 9c with Crimson Tracer.
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I have four Milt Sparks IWB VM2 holsters. I feel they are the best and most comfortable. One is for a 1911, 5" barrel, one is for a 1911, 4" barrel, one for a 1911, 3" barrel and the newest is for my Sig Sauer P938 which I got for summer carry.
Post by: Opossum on March 24, 2016, 01:53:35 PM
Post by: OBB on March 24, 2016, 08:24:50 PM
Mine goes with me everywhere. Sig P-220 Elite. Also this is a great IWB holster, can't even tell it's there!Had the same holster (only right handed ;) ) for my old gun. Nice setup and adjustable a bunch of different ways.
Post by: Royalroadie on March 24, 2016, 10:23:53 PM
I have four Milt Sparks IWB VM2 holsters. I feel they are the best and most comfortable. One is for a 1911, 5" barrel, one is for a 1911, 4" barrel, one for a 1911, 3" barrel and the newest is for my Sig Sauer P938 which I got for summer carry.
You can't do better than a Milt Sparks, the only problem is the wait. I too have several.
Post by: Unbalanced on March 25, 2016, 12:51:04 AM
Post by: 2soaper on March 25, 2016, 09:48:10 AM
Post by: FLTRCVO on March 25, 2016, 10:57:51 AM
H&K VP9 with Night Sights Black Hills 115 gr. Barnes Tac-XP-P and shoulder holster.
H&K P30 without Night Sights Black Hills 115 gr. Barnes Tac-XP-P and S.O.B.
Post by: TinSpinner on March 25, 2016, 11:04:24 AM
Had the same holster (only right handed ;) ) for my old gun. Nice setup and adjustable a bunch of different ways.
I'm an Alien Gear fan myself. My daily carry is a Sig P938, it is less noticeable and more comfortable than my wallet with that holster.
Post by: 32Lager on March 25, 2016, 08:19:14 PM
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Post by: Fired00d on March 25, 2016, 08:35:53 PM
Just bought this SD40 from a guy at work Wednesday. I couldn't pass up the deal but I think it's going to too bulky for conceal, carry. He sold me the gun, holster, three mags, 325 rounds of FMJ and 150 rounds of HP's for under $300:)That was a good deal. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Road Dad on March 25, 2016, 08:37:16 PM
My opinion. (And I beat this time by far). If you are not able to deploy your firearm from concealed carry and fire two rounds (with three sight pictures, no double tap crap) into the toaracic cavity (chest) in LESS than 1.4 seconds. ---- don't even think of carrying a firearm. You are not properly trained and proficient.
Not intended to hur anyone's feelings but a firefight is serious stuff.
Post by: kiro on March 25, 2016, 08:51:44 PM
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LESS than 1.4 seconds. ---- don't even think of carrying a firearm
So if you can't perform this proficiently you're suggesting to go weaponless? Although one never knows, there's not much chance I'll ever engage in a firefight, but if anything ever did occur I think it's better to carry than just be an unarmed statistic... I trained at the Sig Sauer academy, but none of the sessions I attended had anything to do with what you described. And my feelings aren't hurt in the least.
Post by: Road Dad on March 25, 2016, 09:03:41 PM
Sig academy is fun. Been there a few times. Most people that carry are more likely to hit an innocent bystander than the perp.
I currently do better than my minimum standard by a lot, but I am training for a "Combat Master" test as well.
Everyone has to decide what they expect from themselves and how fun it would be to spend 20 years in Jail for shooting an innocent bystander.
So if you can't perform this proficiently you're suggesting to go weaponless? Although one never knows, there's not much chance I'll ever engage in a firefight, but if anything ever did occur I think it's better to carry than just be an unarmed statistic... I trained at the Sig Sauer academy, but none of the sessions I attended had anything to do with what you described. And my feelings aren't hurt in the least.
Post by: Twolanerider on March 25, 2016, 09:09:42 PM
Lots of people carry. What standard as far as skills do you hold yourself to?
My opinion. (And I beat this time by far). If you are not able to deploy your firearm from concealed carry and fire two rounds (with three sight pictures, no double tap crap) into the toaracic cavity (chest) in LESS than 1.4 seconds. ---- don't even think of carrying a firearm. You are not properly trained and proficient.
Not intended to hur anyone's feelings but a firefight is serious stuff.
What you're after there is "thoracic."
Post by: Road Dad on March 25, 2016, 09:14:07 PM
What you're after there is "thoracic."
Post by: Fired00d on March 25, 2016, 09:15:35 PM
What you're after there is "thoracic."Otherwise known as "center mass".. but what the hell do I know. ;) :D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Road Dad on March 25, 2016, 09:19:18 PM
Otherwise known as "center mass".. but what the hell do I know. ;) :D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Royalroadie on March 25, 2016, 09:19:55 PM
Yeah the wait is tough was 11 weeks this time
You where lucky I have heard up to 6 months. Kind of like NFA items. You pay and forget about it then one day you get a surprise.
Post by: spydglide on March 25, 2016, 09:20:20 PM
Otherwise known as "center mass".. but what the hell do I know. ;) :DIsn't that where Bernie Sanders hails from?
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Road Dad on March 25, 2016, 09:23:56 PM
Post by: Fired00d on March 25, 2016, 09:25:45 PM
Isn't that where Bernie Sanders hails from?Come on Spyder... you an ole war d0g... you know what that means. 8)
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: spydglide on March 25, 2016, 09:29:03 PM
Brownells have milt sparks SS in stock for 1911s. I have probably 20 of each in stock as well if needed. No reason to wait for one if its the SS version you want.That's the 'summer special', correct? The Criterion or whatever the one with the magnetic snaps for belt attachment is the one you have to wait so long for now, I believe.
Post by: spydglide on March 25, 2016, 09:31:40 PM
Come on Spyder... you an ole war d0g... you know what that means. 8)All this fast draw and gun fighting talk makes me nervous. :nervous: har! spyder
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Road Dad on March 25, 2016, 09:33:57 PM
That's the 'summer special', correct? The Criterion or whatever the one with the magnetic snaps for belt attachment is the one you have to wait so long for now, I believe.
Post by: Fired00d on March 25, 2016, 09:47:33 PM
All this fast draw and gun fighting talk makes me nervous. :nervous: har! spyderSpyder you said it best here in another post/thread...
Hey Pete, what's that sayin'? Something like: Slow is fast & Fast is good. or something like that. har! spyder:2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Road Dad on March 25, 2016, 09:58:17 PM
Post by: spydglide on March 25, 2016, 10:04:44 PM
Post by: Road Dad on March 25, 2016, 10:07:21 PM
Post by: spydglide on March 25, 2016, 10:17:33 PM
Nice Colt! Love 1911s. (My carry as well but another brand)thanks, that one is kinda old, but 1911's are what I'm most familiar with and so I'm sticking with 'em if a pistol is all I can carry/conceal. Much rather have a long gun if I had my 'druthers'. ;D har. spyder
Post by: Road Dad on March 25, 2016, 10:20:04 PM
thanks, that one is kinda old, but 1911's are what I'm most familiar with and so I'm sticking with 'em if a pistol is all I can carry/conceal. Much rather have a long gun if I had my 'druthers'. ;D har. spyder
Post by: charles05663 on March 26, 2016, 12:16:35 AM
Isn't that where Bernie Sanders hails from?
He is from Brooklyn. And talks out his @$$. I think that is where the confusion comes from.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: Twolanerider on March 26, 2016, 12:37:43 AM
I know. My iPhone spellcheck don't 👍
That's a bad thing for a phone to be doing. We're all way to old to be suddenly be discovering new body parts.....
Post by: FLTRCVO on March 26, 2016, 09:28:16 AM
Lots of people carry. What standard as far as skills do you hold yourself to?Just so you can sleep better a night, I am very proficient with all 3 firearms and custom setups, thus why I opt for Black Hills Ammo with Barnes Bullets listed. I fly out twice per year to qualify on a course and field of their choosing. Don't know if I took this personal, since this post was released relatively soon after my submission, however, I thought I would clear the air. again, Very Proficient, you need not worry about me and my H&K Custom setups.
My opinion. (And I beat this time by far). If you are not able to deploy your firearm from concealed carry and fire two rounds (with three sight pictures, no double tap crap) into the toaracic cavity (chest) in LESS than 1.4 seconds. ---- don't even think of carrying a firearm. You are not properly trained and proficient.
Not intended to hur anyone's feelings but a firefight is serious stuff.
Post by: Road Dad on March 26, 2016, 09:47:59 AM
Just so you can sleep better a night, I am very proficient with all 3 firearms and custom setups, thus why I opt for Black Hills Ammo with Barnes Bullets listed. I fly out twice per year to qualify on a course and field of their choosing. Don't know if I took this personal, since this post was released relatively soon after my submission, however, I thought I would clear the air. again, Very Proficient, you need not worry about me and my H&K Custom setups.
Post by: grayghost731 on March 26, 2016, 01:39:22 PM
Listen to what the say, no fast movements, wait for YOUR chance to make a move. just my opinion and experience ;)
Post by: Rooster on March 26, 2016, 01:56:46 PM
Post by: spydglide on March 26, 2016, 06:47:08 PM
I like the grips Mr. Spyder. :2vrolijk_21:Thanks, the only thing wrong with them is they're not 'thin' grips, which I prefer due to my small hands (ala 'the Donald') har. spyder
Post by: 2soaper on March 26, 2016, 07:41:50 PM
Post by: Royalroadie on March 27, 2016, 09:37:36 AM
I hope that I never get myself in a situation I need to pull a gun I plan on doing whatever I can to avoid that happening. Common sense and trusting my intuition are my best weapon.
You got that right! You have to use you Spydie senses. You best weapon is between your ears. I believe the best way to win a gun fight is to avoid as best you can. But if you have to fight, fight to survive!
Post by: WTF Chuck on March 27, 2016, 05:05:54 PM
Post by: 2soaper on March 27, 2016, 10:12:04 PM
Post by: HUBBARD on March 27, 2016, 10:44:44 PM
Just for the record I never leave the house unarmed and when sitting around the house there is a weapon within reach. Always prepared.
That's my modus operandi, exactly. Later--HUBBARD
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Post by: SneakyPete on March 28, 2016, 12:07:56 PM
Carry this ol' hogleg in the Tour-Pak.....just in case. Later--HUBBARD
What do you carry when you are riding b*tch? From the photo it looks like something small cause you're having a hard time finding it!
Post by: HUBBARD on March 28, 2016, 12:54:08 PM
Post by: RGlideKid on March 28, 2016, 02:41:42 PM
The Python's a classic. Don't ever get rid of it!
I have two Kimber's myself, and a slew of others. Got em strewn out all over the house, but that's the way we roll here in Arkansas!
Post by: HUBBARD on March 28, 2016, 02:59:01 PM
That's a beautiful collection, Carl...one that any liberty-loving patriot would love to have! :2vrolijk_21:
The Python's a classic. Don't ever get rid of it!
I have two Kimber's myself, and a slew of others. Got em strewn out all over the house, but that's the way we roll here in Arkansas!
Thanks! One of my friends has been after me for years wanting that Python. It's perfect. It's got the smoothest action of any gun I've ever fired. 'Course, I've always been partial to Colt. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: RGlideKid on March 28, 2016, 03:04:12 PM
I'm partial to the .45ACP round, myself. I used to carry a Sig P238 everywhere cause it's just so darn easy to conceal. But dang, there's some situations out there where'd you just get laughed at for a barrel hole that small if you know what I mean. I figure a roughly 1/2" hole with the laser from a Crimson Trace Grip will be a lot more convincing.
I'm like you. The world's too crazy and people too unpredictable to not carry everywhere you go.
Heck, I keep one in the kitchen. I love to cook, and at first my (new) wife looked at me and chuckled about it, but now she's used to seeing pistols, rifles, shotguns, you name it.
Wouldn't be without 'em.
Thanks for posting!
Post by: SneakyPete on March 28, 2016, 04:46:10 PM
Thanks! One of my friends has been after me for years wanting that Python. It's perfect. It's got the smoothest action of any gun I've ever fired. 'Course, I've always been partial to Colt. Later--HUBBARD
The Python is a classic for sure and smooth as glass. Another I throw into that category is my S&W M27 with 3 1/2" barrel. Odd barrel length for the model, also had a five inch, pretty rare even back when I bought this one in the early 80's. This one was made in 1956 and is all original except for the grips. Action is crisp and greasy slick!
Post by: SneakyPete on March 28, 2016, 04:48:10 PM
Carry this ol' hogleg in the Tour-Pak.....just in case. Later--HUBBARD
Now this is a hogleg!
Post by: jachd17 on March 28, 2016, 06:47:10 PM
I saw old Hickok45 do a video of one on YouTube. You could hear the reverence in his voice for it, that's for sure.
I'm partial to the .45ACP round, myself. I used to carry a Sig P238 everywhere cause it's just so darn easy to conceal. But dang, there's some situations out there where'd you just get laughed at for a barrel hole that small if you know what I mean. I figure a roughly 1/2" hole with the laser from a Crimson Trace Grip will be a lot more convincing.
I'm like you. The world's too crazy and people too unpredictable to not carry everywhere you go.
Heck, I keep one in the kitchen. I love to cook, and at first my (new) wife looked at me and chuckled about it, but now she's used to seeing pistols, rifles, shotguns, you name it.
Wouldn't be without 'em.
Thanks for posting!
I obtained a Kahr PM45 as I too am partial to the 45ACP. Very small and concealable for a large caliber. Just wish the mag held more (5). With +P ammo it has a nice "snap" to it. :)
Post by: RGlideKid on March 28, 2016, 07:18:34 PM
I've been thinking about an H&K 45C (not the USP model). But then I look at the full size and I'm torn. Gotta love the grip on the bigger one.
So many bikes...so little time and money. So many guns...well...you get the jist! ::)
Post by: 4tigers on March 28, 2016, 08:20:15 PM
Post by: 32Lager on March 29, 2016, 03:17:59 PM
Thanks! One of my friends has been after me for years wanting that Python. It's perfect. It's got the smoothest action of any gun I've ever fired. 'Course, I've always been partial to Colt. Later--HUBBARD
Don't sell that Python cheap. Have you seen what they're going for now ? I wish I would have bought one to go with my S&W 27.
Post by: Road Dad on March 29, 2016, 03:50:40 PM
And while I am at it. Pistols don't have clips. Only hillbillys a or Hollywood moviemaker think this is so.
Revolvers have clips, or in some cases moon clips.
What about a longer mag for that Kahr? They make an awesome handgun.
I've been thinking about an H&K 45C (not the USP model). But then I look at the full size and I'm torn. Gotta love the grip on the bigger one.
So many bikes...so little time and money. So many guns...well...you get the jist! ::)
Post by: jachd17 on March 29, 2016, 04:51:13 PM
Post by: moscooter on March 29, 2016, 07:07:47 PM
Geeez, I'm a hillbilly and didn't even know it...........Had instruction waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in high school while in Army ROTC using M-1 Rifles. As I recall, the insert with bullets/shells in it was known to us as a (clip)...........not a magazine.
Now, here I am with no real (firepower) like ya'all have..........just a 32 revolver that was my Dads and my 22 calibre auto which I always thought had a "clip" that jambed up into the handle.............Now I'm told it it's a magazine.
Wow................... :-\
Post by: FLTRCVO on March 29, 2016, 07:34:22 PM
I am sure someone thinks I am an ass for pointing this out but handguns don't have grips. It's called stock.You might want to contact Hogue a recognized and respected manufacturer of "GRIPS" for all kinds of handguns so they can correct themselves immediately.
And while I am at it. Pistols don't have clips. Only hillbillys a or Hollywood moviemaker think this is so.
Revolvers have clips, or in some cases moon clips.
Post by: OBB on March 29, 2016, 07:36:48 PM
You might want to contact Hogue a recognized and respected manufacturer of "GRIPS" for all kinds of handguns so they can correct themselves immediately.Gotta chuckle at that. I have them on 2 of my handguns. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: HUBBARD on March 29, 2016, 07:37:59 PM
Don't sell that Python cheap. Have you seen what they're going for now ? I wish I would have bought one to go with my S&W 27.
I wouldn't sell it. I've been offered stupid money for it. I guess it's my favorite of all my handguns. I had an Anoconda, and let a feller talk me out of it about 10 years ago. Been sick ever since. Won't sell it back to me, either. A$$hole! Lol. They're goin' for stupid money, too. Up here, anyway. I'll find one. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: HUBBARD on March 29, 2016, 07:47:52 PM
I am sure someone thinks I am an ass for pointing this out but handguns don't have grips. It's called stock.
And while I am at it. Pistols don't have clips. Only hillbillys a or Hollywood moviemaker think this is so.
Revolvers have clips, or in some cases moon clips.
I resemble that remark! I'm definitely a Hillbilly, and a red-neck one, at that. Up here, a clip goes in an Automatic, and a speed-loader is used, (when needed), to load the cylinder on a Revolver, and Grips is Grips. Don't give a chit what the "experts" call 'em. And when we discharge 'em, we call that "bustin' a cap." There endeth the lesson. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: Fired00d on March 29, 2016, 07:48:10 PM
Gotta chuckle at that. I have them on 2 of my handguns. :2vrolijk_21:Me too :2vrolijk_21:.. but what the hell do I know. ;) :D :D
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Ride Safe,
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Post by: Fired00d on March 29, 2016, 07:49:25 PM
I resemble that remark! I'm definitely a Hillbilly, and a red-neck one, at that. Up here, a clip goes in an Automatic, and a speed-loader is used, (when needed), to load the cylinder on a Revolver, and Grips is Grips. Don't give a chit what the "experts" call 'em. And when we discharge 'em, we call that "bustin' a cap." There endeth the lesson. Later--HUBBARDHell yea!!! :2vrolijk_21: :ROFLOL:
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Post by: charles05663 on March 29, 2016, 10:58:33 PM
I am sure someone thinks I am an ass for pointing this out but handguns don't have grips. It's called stock.
And while I am at it. Pistols don't have clips. Only hillbillys a or Hollywood moviemaker think this is so.
Revolvers have clips, or in some cases moon clips.
Are you the former Rotarywing (the account has been deleted)?
A clip is used for revolvers, and Pistol use a magazine.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: Fired00d on March 31, 2016, 08:21:17 AM
Company Invents Gun That Folds Up to Look Like a Cellphone (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/company-invents-gun-folds-look-cellphone-n547221)
(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/gun2.png)
(http://idealconceal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/gun1.png)
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Post by: HUBBARD on March 31, 2016, 09:05:49 AM
Post by: Road Dad on March 31, 2016, 11:34:20 AM
Post by: HUBBARD on March 31, 2016, 11:43:08 AM
Hmm not a real bright idea. Easy to conceal as a cellphone yes, but now the cops has a reason to shot you while you are holding your IPhone.
The shootin'll be over by the time the cops get there. Us "hillbillies" don't call 911. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: Later--HUBBARD
Post by: Road Dad on March 31, 2016, 11:44:37 AM
Great point! Even better if you could call the cops after the shooting is over, on your phone gun
The shootin'll be over by the type the cops get there. Us "hillbillies" don't call 911. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: Later--HUBBARD
Post by: 110tHunDer on March 31, 2016, 12:29:50 PM
Post by: RGlideKid on March 31, 2016, 12:33:27 PM
Saw this on the Today Show this morning. Interesting...
Company Invents Gun That Folds Up to Look Like a Cellphone (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/company-invents-gun-folds-look-cellphone-n547221)(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/gun2.png)(http://idealconceal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/gun1.png)
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That's just gonna give the TSA something new to freak out about...
Post by: Road Dad on March 31, 2016, 12:39:22 PM
Guess law enforcement is not your profession.
If you hold your iPhone like a gun you probably deserve to be shot.
Post by: Miss Susan on March 31, 2016, 03:14:14 PM
The shootin'll be over by the time the cops get there. Us "hillbillies" don't call 911. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: Later--HUBBARD
I'm glad I ride with youns hillbillies. Now I know why I feel so safe. Just for the record 357 by the front door, .22 pistol & rifle by the bed and a Glock 27. Helps keep Shrader in line when I
Miss Susan
Post by: FLTRCVO on March 31, 2016, 03:51:17 PM
Hmm not a real bright idea. Easy to conceal as a cellphone yes, but now the cops has a reason to shot you while you are holding your IPhone.Shouldn't be an issue if you are obeying the LEO's instructions upon approach and or apprehension. This my friend is where 90 plus percent of the confrontation begins and then escalates.
Post by: Road Dad on March 31, 2016, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: 110tHunDer on March 31, 2016, 04:03:42 PM
Post by: Road Dad on March 31, 2016, 04:11:21 PM
Post by: OBB on March 31, 2016, 05:19:32 PM
Hmm not a real bright idea. Easy to conceal as a cellphone yes, but now the cops has a reason to shot you while you are holding your IPhone.Yet another good reason to stick with Android phones. :2vrolijk_21:
Went searching for the elusive Glock 43 today. Everyone around here is out of stock and don't know when they'll get one in. Looked real hard at a Sig p938 but it doesn't come with anything. Gun, 1 mag and a plastic box. They're proud of that plastic box. ??? Also looked at a Kimber solo until the salesman was telling me that they can be fussy with ammo. Back to the Glock search. They go bang when you squeeze the trigger and are not fussy about ammo. I normally carry a G23 so the grip angle and sight lines will be the same as what I shoot now.
Post by: 110tHunDer on March 31, 2016, 07:55:22 PM
Post by: OBB on March 31, 2016, 08:47:31 PM
Certain stores can keep 43s in stock around here and other stores can't. I came close to getting one a couple of weeks ago just because it was there, but I'll stick with my 42 for the time-being. Love the size of that gun and how it shoots, just hate the price of .380 ammo vs. 9mm.Exactly why I'm waiting on the 43. Initially considered a 380 for the wife until I saw the price difference in ammo. We found her and XD she felt comfortable with so that one is hers.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 31, 2016, 09:23:24 PM
Yet another good reason to stick with Android phones. :2vrolijk_21:
Went searching for the elusive Glock 43 today. Everyone around here is out of stock and don't know when they'll get one in. Looked real hard at a Sig p938 but it doesn't come with anything. Gun, 1 mag and a plastic box. They're proud of that plastic box. ??? Also looked at a Kimber solo until the salesman was telling me that they can be fussy with ammo. Back to the Glock search. They go bang when you squeeze the trigger and are not fussy about ammo. I normally carry a G23 so the grip angle and sight lines will be the same as what I shoot now.
I love the P938 as a summer carry. Got one because is is so much like a 1911, which is my gun of choice. Just not so easy to conceal in the summer on a bike. It being so much like a 1911 is why I like it same grip angle.
I do not do well with Glock due to grip angle is so different from a 1911. I do much better with XD's due to the grip angle also closer to a 1911.
My oldest daughter just got a XD-S 3.3 in .40 for carry.
Post by: OBB on March 31, 2016, 09:27:48 PM
I love the P938 as a summer carry. Got one because is is so much like a 1911, which is my gun of choice. Just not so easy to conceal in the summer on a bike. It being so much like a 1911 is why I like it same grip angle.I looked hard at a 938 today. New one, one mag, plastic box and paperwork for $615. Just seemed to have trouble getting my finger inside of the trigger guard. Would have to be one of those guns I'd need a few hundred rounds through it to get used to it. Liked the size of it but like I stated earlier, not much for the price although that one was about $80 lower than most of the other shops around here. I'm still thinking the Colt Defender with the factory installed Hogue grips on it but have yet to come across anyone that's owned one or shot one.
I do not do well with Glock due to grip angle is so different from a 1911. I do much better with XD's due to the grip angle also closer to a 1911.
My oldest daughter just got a XD-S 3.3 in .40 for carry.
Now if Springfield made an XD that size, I'd be all over it. Love shooting the wife's 4" 9mm.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 31, 2016, 09:45:44 PM
I looked hard at a 938 today. New one, one mag, plastic box and paperwork for $615. Just seemed to have trouble getting my finger inside of the trigger guard. Would have to be one of those guns I'd need a few hundred rounds through it to get used to it. Liked the size of it but like I stated earlier, not much for the price although that one was about $80 lower than most of the other shops around here. I'm still thinking the Colt Defender with the factory installed Hogue grips on it but have yet to come across anyone that's owned one or shot one.I have one of the original XD-40 in 4" before they came out with the XDM's and XD's. I have over 4000 rounds through it with never an issue. I'm thinking hard about adding the XDS 40. I like that round. My P938 is my only 9mm. My wife has a P238, she had really wanted the LCP or BodyGuard. So she tried all three at the range and saw the Sig was a more fun gun to shoot and easier on her hand. She is now really liking my P938, so that may help with an excuse to get the XDs-40
Now if Springfield made an XD that size, I'd be all over it. Love shooting the wife's 4" 9mm.
Post by: OBB on March 31, 2016, 10:16:31 PM
I have one of the original XD-40 in 4" before they came out with the XDM's and XD's. I have over 4000 rounds through it with never an issue. I'm thinking hard about adding the XDS 40. I like that round. My P938 is my only 9mm. My wife has a P238, she had really wanted the LCP or BodyGuard. So she tried all three at the range and saw the Sig was a more fun gun to shoot and easier on her hand. She is now really liking my P938, so that may help with an excuse to get the XDs-40That XD she has is the Mod2. Just newer grips I think.
Post by: FLTRCVO on April 01, 2016, 01:51:20 AM
The pistol should feel nice in the hand to be comfortable that is why I think a H&K P30 and P30L and Walther PPQ M2 due to their ADJUSTABLE grips and weight are options for women that are often over looked.
Not pushing gun sales here, I have seen too many people purchase a H&K Pistol, not knowing which variant to BUY and PURCHASE the wrong one, then get on the internet and trash the H&K trigger system. Walther has streamlined the selection process, so a novice can't make any mistakes with regards to variants the PPQ M2 has a smooth trigger.
I prefer H&K because it handles the recoil a tad better and the grip has adjustable side panels and back straps.
For me, and only me these are my 2 top picks for the ladies in 40 S&W, actually 9mm would be the same.
Post by: Miss Susan on April 01, 2016, 08:41:44 AM
Exactly why I'm waiting on the 43. Initially considered a 380 for the wife until I saw the price difference in ammo. We found her and XD she felt comfortable with so that one is hers.
I like my Glock 27, the gun and the "grip" is small for the size of my hand and is a good size for whatever bag I carry. However, the price of the ammo is something to consider. I hope I don't need to use a lot of ammo except in practice. :)
Miss Susan
Post by: HUBBARD on April 01, 2016, 08:49:40 AM
Many individuals are searching for a nice firearm for wife, daughter, sister etc.. some wanting 40 S&W and it is all about weight, grip comfort and feel in the hand prior to discharging the weapon, then recoil and nose flip.
The pistol should feel nice in the hand to be comfortable that is why I think a H&K P30 and P30L and Walther PPQ M2 due to their ADJUSTABLE grips and weight are options for women that are often over looked.
Not pushing gun sales here, I have seen too many people purchase a H&K Pistol, not knowing which variant to BUY and PURCHASE the wrong one, then get on the internet and trash the H&K trigger system. Walther has streamlined the selection process, so a novice can't make any mistakes with regards to variants the PPQ M2 has a smooth trigger.
I prefer H&K because it handles the recoil a tad better and the grip has adjustable side panels and back straps.
For me, and only me these are my 2 top picks for the ladies in 40 S&W, actually 9mm would be the same.
Great post! My daughter will be 21 in Sept., and she's been target shooting with me for years. I'm gonna' buy her a Glock Model 19, 9MM, for her birthday. Don't fret about being accused of pushin' Gun Sales........Obama's the best Gun salesman that ever lived! Later--HUBBARD
Post by: RGlideKid on April 01, 2016, 10:34:56 AM
Post by: TinSpinner on April 01, 2016, 03:47:25 PM
I looked hard at a 938 today. New one, one mag, plastic box and paperwork for $615. Just seemed to have trouble getting my finger inside of the trigger guard. Would have to be one of those guns I'd need a few hundred rounds through it to get used to it. Liked the size of it but like I stated earlier, not much for the price although that one was about $80 lower than most of the other shops around here. I'm still thinking the Colt Defender with the factory installed Hogue grips on it but have yet to come across anyone that's owned one or shot one.
Now if Springfield made an XD that size, I'd be all over it. Love shooting the wife's 4" 9mm.
You need to come to GA, I only paid $479 for my P938 SAS. It did only come with 1 mag but I've since bought 3 more for $29 each and swapped out the grips with Hogue BRG's for $25 more and I still have less in it than your Ohio price. I have seen some inflated prices at a few stores like Cabela's or Gander Mountain on the Extreme models but those stores always have high prices. Do you have to pay a special gun tax or something?
Post by: OBB on April 01, 2016, 03:49:55 PM
You need to come to GA, I only paid $479 for my P938 SAS. It did only come with 1 mag but I've since bought 3 more for $29 each and swapped out the grips with Hogue BRG's for $25 more and I still have less in it than your Ohio price. I have seen some inflated prices at a few stores like Cabela's or Gander Mountain on the Extreme models but those stores always have high prices. Do you have to pay a special gun tax or something?No special taxes. Must be a regional price thing. How long ago did you get yours?
Post by: HUBBARD on April 01, 2016, 10:41:44 PM
My companion :)
Hey, 4tigers! Good lookin' SIG. Looks like you use Wilson clips. I've used them for years. Hard to beat! :2vrolijk_21: Later--HUBBARD
Post by: TinSpinner on April 02, 2016, 10:07:18 AM
No special taxes. Must be a regional price thing. How long ago did you get yours?
September last year. Yesterday I saw one at my local gun store, who are usually MSRP plus, for $579. They had G43's also but I don't remember the price. Many of the shops around here have the G43's in stock, maybe Glock's US headquarters in the area makes a difference. :nixweiss:
Post by: OBB on April 02, 2016, 07:17:48 PM
September last year. Yesterday I saw one at my local gun store, who are usually MSRP plus, for $579. They had G43's also but I don't remember the price. Many of the shops around here have the G43's in stock, maybe Glock's US headquarters in the area makes a difference. :nixweiss:You're right. I need to come to GA. Not just for that, much better weather also.
Post by: 4tigers on April 02, 2016, 09:42:28 PM
Hey, 4tigers! Good lookin' SIG. Looks like you use Wilson clips. I've used them for years. Hard to beat! :2vrolijk_21: Later--HUBBARD
I really like it a lot. It's a little harder to conceal in the summer time and it's pretty heavy, but I think the weight helps with recoil. It's a sweet shooter.👍
Post by: RoadDawg on April 22, 2016, 10:05:38 AM
Post by: Asphalt_Cowboy on June 07, 2016, 10:30:13 PM
Post by: HUBBARD on June 07, 2016, 10:56:38 PM
Carry everyday. On the truck I have a Glock 19 Gen 4 and when I'm home or riding the bike, I carry a S&W Shield 9mm. I don't worry about anything when traveling since I have a CC permit and the states I travel through have reciprocity. I also have a Ruger SR1911 that sleeps along side me in my nightstand at home.
Not trying to meddle in your business, but I hope that Truck you're talking about ain't Commercial. Felony for firearm in Commercial Vehicle. Permit is not recognized by authorities.....in any State. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: CVODON on June 07, 2016, 11:13:42 PM
Post by: Asphalt_Cowboy on June 07, 2016, 11:42:34 PM
Not trying to meddle in your business, but I hope that Truck you're talking about ain't Commercial. Felony for firearm in Commercial Vehicle. Permit is not recognized by authorities.....in any State. Later--HUBBARD
Hubbard, with all due respect, that is not correct. Most companies DO have a no firearms policy as well as many shippers and receivers don't allow firearms on their property. However, there is nothing stating that you can't legally carry a loaded firearm in a commercial vehicle. You are subject to local and state laws just like if you were driving any other vehicle. I've also asked DOT officers in more than one state about this, and they told me the same thing. As long as you're allowed to legally carry it, and abide by the laws of that state or states you're fine.
Post by: OBB on June 08, 2016, 06:19:33 AM
I sold my P238 SAS this past weekend and bought a Kimber Black Crimson Trace Micro .380. While I was doing this I looked at several P938's and then after seeing the post above stating ~$480 I checked at Buds Gun Shop in Lexington who I had bought a few pistols from (No shipping, No tax and local Florida shop handles transfer for $10). There are no under $500 P938's that I could find. I did find a base, no options P238 for that, but it was base model, plastic grips, no night sights, definitely no laser etc. Buds has P938's for ~$600 and a couple at Tampa Gun Show for that. Have a buddy with Fed Lic, he says he has to pay $555 for cheapest P938 so the one in GA for <$500 is a big bargin, where did you buy it? I will drive up for that price and take a couple.There's a local place up here that actually had a base model P938 on sale for $499 last month. Looks just like a more expensive one sitting about 3 guns over from it. Guy at the counter told me they have a few different suppliers and the one with the lower price sets the prices on it. Not quite sure how that works though. I stumbled across a P938 Talo recently on a private sale board for a helluva deal. Never fired, the green one with the Hogue grips and night sights. Guy had bought it last fall and never fired it. Said he needed money. Who am I to argue with someone that wants to give me a great deal. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: HUBBARD on June 08, 2016, 07:15:46 AM
Hubbard, with all due respect, that is not correct. Most companies DO have a no firearms policy as well as many shippers and receivers don't allow firearms on their property. However, there is nothing stating that you can't legally carry a loaded firearm in a commercial vehicle. You are subject to local and state laws just like if you were driving any other vehicle. I've also asked DOT officers in more than one state about this, and they told me the same thing. As long as you're allowed to legally carry it, and abide by the laws of that state or states you're fine.
You could be right. A WV State Trooper told me about that a few years back. He came to look at the Western Star, (Ol' Blackie), I restored back in 2005-6, and when he opened the Driver's door, he saw the Model 686 I had in the Map Pocket. He's the one that told me it was against the law to pack in a Commercial vehicle. 'Course, I never paid any attention to that. If you see Ol' Hub in, or on, a vehicle, he's packing! My curiosity is up now, and I will find out today. I have a couple of buddies in the WV DOT. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: 2k on June 08, 2016, 07:33:07 AM
Post by: HUBBARD on June 08, 2016, 08:18:20 AM
Be sure and let us know what you find out....I would hate to get busted for something I didn't mean to do!!! :nixweiss:
I will, 2k. I used to live by what ol' Richard Petty said, "if you don't get caught, it ain't cheatin'!" But like I said, I'm curious now. It seems the odds in gettin' caught are higher today than they used to be. Guess back in the day, my street cred was more improtant than anything else. Looking back.....I was a phuckin' idiot. Sure am thankful I don't live like that now. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: Fired00d on June 08, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
Not trying to meddle in your business, but I hope that Truck you're talking about ain't Commercial. Felony for firearm in Commercial Vehicle. Permit is not recognized by authorities.....in any State. Later--HUBBARD
I will, 2k. I used to live by what ol' Richard Petty said, "if you don't get caught, it ain't cheatin'!" But like I said, I'm curious now. It seems the odds in gettin' caught are higher today than they used to be. Guess back in the day, my street cred was more improtant than anything else. Looking back.....I was a phuckin' idiot. Sure am thankful I don't live like that now. Later--HUBBARD
Google says...
Can you carry a gun in a commercial vehicle? (http://www.guns.com/2013/12/20/can-carry-handgun-commercial-vehicle/)
CDL Federal Gun Law (http://askthetrucker.com/cdl-federal-gun-law/)
You can find additional links here - concealed gun carry on commercial vehicles (https://www.google.com/search?q=concealed+gun+carry+on+commercial+vehicles&ie=&oe=)
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Post by: Sierramadre on June 08, 2016, 09:46:26 AM
Post by: Magnut1 on June 08, 2016, 10:56:06 AM
Have lifetime CC from Indiana and standard CC from Ohio.
I try to avoid states with no reciprocity. When traveling through Ill a few years back, I locked the guns in one bag and ammo in the other, and did the speed limit. I gassed up and locked them up before entering the state and didn't spend a dime in that state. I gas up before riding through Tenn and don't spend any money there due to their helmet laws.
Post by: TinSpinner on June 08, 2016, 11:06:44 AM
I sold my P238 SAS this past weekend and bought a Kimber Black Crimson Trace Micro .380. While I was doing this I looked at several P938's and then after seeing the post above stating ~$480 I checked at Buds Gun Shop in Lexington who I had bought a few pistols from (No shipping, No tax and local Florida shop handles transfer for $10). There are no under $500 P938's that I could find. I did find a base, no options P238 for that, but it was base model, plastic grips, no night sights, definitely no laser etc. Buds has P938's for ~$600 and a couple at Tampa Gun Show for that. Have a buddy with Fed Lic, he says he has to pay $555 for cheapest P938 so the one in GA for <$500 is a big bargin, where did you buy it? I will drive up for that price and take a couple.
Cherokee Gun and Pawn in Canton, GA is where I bought my P938 SAS. It only came with one magazine but right now they have the BRG version with 2 mags for $549 per their facebook ad. That small store usually has the best prices in the area and they do free FFL transfers. Another place to watch for online deals is Palmetto State Armory, that is where I picked up the extra magazines, they also have smoking deals on guns occasionally.
Post by: bigchuck on June 08, 2016, 11:45:52 AM
Hubbard, with all due respect, that is not correct. Most companies DO have a no firearms policy as well as many shippers and receivers don't allow firearms on their property. However, there is nothing stating that you can't legally carry a loaded firearm in a commercial vehicle. You are subject to local and state laws just like if you were driving any other vehicle. I've also asked DOT officers in more than one state about this, and they told me the same thing. As long as you're allowed to legally carry it, and abide by the laws of that state or states you're fine.
Correct. Federal law Title 18 section 926(a)
Post by: HUBBARD on June 08, 2016, 12:10:39 PM
Post by: Fired00d on June 08, 2016, 05:27:35 PM
Okay, guys. I just talked to Corporal Long, WV State Police, Princeton Detachment, (304-425-2101). He told me you cannot legally carry a concealed weapon in a Commercial Vehicle, in the State of WV, with or without, a CCP. He also said it was the "craziest" thing he had ever heard of, especially in todays world, but that was the Law here. I'm not trying to be disagreeable with anybody here, but that's what the Trooper said. Quite frankly, it matters not to me, 'cause when I'm driving, I'm gonna' have a firearm within reach. Later--HUBBARDYou not being disagreeable. The links I posted stated the same... "local/state laws can prohibit but it's not a federal law".
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Post by: HUBBARD on June 08, 2016, 05:34:59 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on June 08, 2016, 06:08:26 PM
Post by: 110tHunDer on June 08, 2016, 06:21:50 PM
Btw, WV just passed a Bill into Law, that says you do not have to have a CCP to carry a gun, anywhere in the State, if you have a clean record. Later--HUBBARD
I saw that, as I was investigating for next month's GTG. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Asphalt_Cowboy on June 08, 2016, 06:38:29 PM
Okay, guys. I just talked to Corporal Long, WV State Police, Princeton Detachment, (304-425-2101). He told me you cannot legally carry a concealed weapon in a Commercial Vehicle, in the State of WV, with or without, a CCP. He also said it was the "craziest" thing he had ever heard of, especially in todays world, but that was the Law here. I'm not trying to be disagreeable with anybody here, but that's what the Trooper said. Quite frankly, it matters not to me, 'cause when I'm driving, I'm gonna' have a firearm within reach. Later--HUBBARD
That's interesting. I think most of the problem surrounding the subject is that most just assume you can't, many being law enforcement. I, like you though, will always have one near me. Plus for me, I only go to from Missouri to Iowa and back. I at least know I'm good in those two states. :)
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Post by: moscooter on June 08, 2016, 06:54:56 PM
OK, I'm seeing around what a 190+ pages of post here and many posting their "carry" habits. So, I'm an old guy that has shotguns he used many years ago while pheasant hunting and duck hunting with quail/rabbits and squirrels as an "extra" bonus while out there. Also did some goose hunting years ago along the Missouri River fly way........in Nebraska.
Sadly, I have had no buddies to hunt with now that I'm located in coastal No. Carolina..........and I'm increasingly concerned about the political climate.
I do not have a concealed carry permit and obviously I do not carry a pistol/gun around.............but with current events, I do indeed have some major concerns for my safety and that of my wife and others. I've recently been thinking seriously about taking a concealed carry class and geting a permit to carry..........I will be (extremely concerned) if Hilliary gets the nod to become our next president.
If that happens, I will be first in line locally to sign up for a class and get my permit.......and as a result, some concealable pistol (not sure just what).
My question to all is................those of you that have posted here with the permits and an obvious (love of) guns for protection................How many of you have encountered a real/live situation where your concealed gun saved your azz or avoided an otherwise bad situation. :nixweiss:
Post by: Asphalt_Cowboy on June 08, 2016, 07:07:13 PM
:-\
OK, I'm seeing around what a 190+ pages of post here and many posting their "carry" habits. So, I'm an old guy that has shotguns he used many years ago while pheasant hunting and duck hunting with quail/rabbits and squirrels as an "extra" bonus while out there. Also did some goose hunting years ago along the Missouri River fly way........in Nebraska.
Sadly, I have had no buddies to hunt with now that I'm located in coastal No. Carolina..........and I'm increasingly concerned about the political climate.
I do not have a concealed carry permit and obviously I do not carry a pistol/gun around.............but with current events, I do indeed have some major concerns for my safety and that of my wife and others. I've recently been thinking seriously about taking a concealed carry class and geting a permit to carry..........I will be (extremely concerned) if Hilliary gets the nod to become our next president.
If that happens, I will be first in line locally to sign up for a class and get my permit.......and as a result, some concealable pistol (not sure just what).
My question to all is................those of you that have posted here with the permits and an obvious (love of) guns for protection................How many of you have encountered a real/live situation where your concealed gun saved your azz or avoided an otherwise bad situation. :nixweiss:
I have never had to use it, then again, I've never had to use my life insurance policy either, but I have one. :).
Honestly, for me it's a personal safety thing. I was a cop in the military so I have a good amount of weapons training, etc and am comfortable carrying. Ya just never know in the crazy damn world we live in now. Don't get me wrong though, if something were to break out in a crowd I was near or something, my first priority is getting the hell out of there. I don't carry to be billy bad ass trying to save the word.
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Post by: CVOStreetglide on June 08, 2016, 09:22:13 PM
:-\
OK, I'm seeing around what a 190+ pages of post here and many posting their "carry" habits. So, I'm an old guy that has shotguns he used many years ago while pheasant hunting and duck hunting with quail/rabbits and squirrels as an "extra" bonus while out there. Also did some goose hunting years ago along the Missouri River fly way........in Nebraska.
Sadly, I have had no buddies to hunt with now that I'm located in coastal No. Carolina..........and I'm increasingly concerned about the political climate.
I do not have a concealed carry permit and obviously I do not carry a pistol/gun around.............but with current events, I do indeed have some major concerns for my safety and that of my wife and others. I've recently been thinking seriously about taking a concealed carry class and geting a permit to carry..........I will be (extremely concerned) if Hilliary gets the nod to become our next president.
If that happens, I will be first in line locally to sign up for a class and get my permit.......and as a result, some concealable pistol (not sure just what).
My question to all is................those of you that have posted here with the permits and an obvious (love of) guns for protection................How many of you have encountered a real/live situation where your concealed gun saved your azz or avoided an otherwise bad situation. :nixweiss:
FWIW: What you are taught in the Concealed class is that you NEVER pull out the weapon unless you are in fear of your life and are prepared to shoot to kill. The old cowboy shoots the aggressor in the arm is not the way it is. Also, you are taught to never pull the gun out just to scare anyone.
Post by: Asphalt_Cowboy on June 08, 2016, 09:27:46 PM
FWIW: What you are taught in the Concealed class is that you NEVER pull out the weapon unless you are in fear of your life and are prepared to shoot to kill. The old cowboy shoots the aggressor in the arm is not the way it is. Also, you are taught to never pull the gun out just to scare anyone.
:2vrolijk_21: Forgot to mention that
Post by: smkymtnboy on June 08, 2016, 09:49:20 PM
:-\if, you have concerns which you stated you did and fears for you and your wifes safety. then take the course and learn that weapon as well as you know the back of your hand! after taking the course and learning to use the firearm of choice and hopefully it gives you the confidence you want to defend yourself. the last question is pointless! take the course and learn to use that weapon. having said all that i hope you never ever use it.
OK, I'm seeing around what a 190+ pages of post here and many posting their "carry" habits. So, I'm an old guy that has shotguns he used many years ago while pheasant hunting and duck hunting with quail/rabbits and squirrels as an "extra" bonus while out there. Also did some goose hunting years ago along the Missouri River fly way........in Nebraska.
Sadly, I have had no buddies to hunt with now that I'm located in coastal No. Carolina..........and I'm increasingly concerned about the political climate.
I do not have a concealed carry permit and obviously I do not carry a pistol/gun around.............but with current events, I do indeed have some major concerns for my safety and that of my wife and others. I've recently been thinking seriously about taking a concealed carry class and geting a permit to carry..........I will be (extremely concerned) if Hilliary gets the nod to become our next president.
If that happens, I will be first in line locally to sign up for a class and get my permit.......and as a result, some concealable pistol (not sure just what).
My question to all is................those of you that have posted here with the permits and an obvious (love of) guns for protection................How many of you have encountered a real/live situation where your concealed gun saved your azz or avoided an otherwise bad situation. :nixweiss:
Post by: CVODON on June 08, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
I have no idea but would think DOT or even a check of state gun laws would be a good idea.
Post by: HUBBARD on June 08, 2016, 10:42:20 PM
Have a buddy who is KSP. He read Hubbards post about a "Corporal" making legal statement and laughed. Said you better check with a more informed person before placing yourself in a compromising position.
I have no idea but would think DOT or even a check of state gun laws would be a good idea.
I'll take that advice. As we perform DOT Inspections at the Dealership, I just called my Service Manager, J.D., and asked him to call the DOT Officer, and tell him I wanted to talk to him tomorrow. I'll post his response as soon as he comes up. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: smkymtnboy on June 08, 2016, 10:55:35 PM
I'll take that advice. As we perform DOT Inspections at the Dealership, I just called my Service Manager, J.D., and asked him to call the DOT Officer, and tell him I wanted to talk to him tomorrow. I'll post his response as soon as he comes up. Later--HUBBARDbetter get it in writing! then get an attorney to reduce it to lay language. then hope the law does not change next week. funny how that 2nd amendant right is explained so simply. but, somehow becomes very complicated depending on where you are. not trying to be a smart alec. you are going about it the right way and will appreciate and looking forward to your post regarding this info. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: HUBBARD on June 08, 2016, 11:42:12 PM
:-\
OK, I'm seeing around what a 190+ pages of post here and many posting their "carry" habits. So, I'm an old guy that has shotguns he used many years ago while pheasant hunting and duck hunting with quail/rabbits and squirrels as an "extra" bonus while out there. Also did some goose hunting years ago along the Missouri River fly way........in Nebraska.
Sadly, I have had no buddies to hunt with now that I'm located in coastal No. Carolina..........and I'm increasingly concerned about the political climate.
I do not have a concealed carry permit and obviously I do not carry a pistol/gun around.............but with current events, I do indeed have some major concerns for my safety and that of my wife and others. I've recently been thinking seriously about taking a concealed carry class and geting a permit to carry..........I will be (extremely concerned) if Hilliary gets the nod to become our next president.
If that happens, I will be first in line locally to sign up for a class and get my permit.......and as a result, some concealable pistol (not sure just what).
My question to all is................those of you that have posted here with the permits and an obvious (love of) guns for protection................How many of you have encountered a real/live situation where your concealed gun saved your azz or avoided an otherwise bad situation. :nixweiss:
For many years, I had a very quick temper, and I wore that defect of character as a badge of honor. However, I did have the presence of mind to not go healed into certain environments I had the displeasure of frequenting back then. I'm thankful for that. Hell, I'm alive and free because of that! But today, Ol' Hub has mellowed, or better yet, maybe I've finally grown up, and have become a man. I cherish my life, and the life of my fellow man. I don't pack a gun to show-off, or to project or create fear. I pack it for the protection of my person, my family, and my property, which I love, and that I own. I pray to God Almighty I never have to pull it. Ever. That said, however, I am proficent with a handgun, and I stand ready to defend myself, if, God forbid, the unfortunate situation would come about. But I don't walk around consumed with that. I don't walk around lookin' for somebody to "Bust-a cap" on! Later--HUBBARD
Post by: RoadDawg on June 09, 2016, 06:56:12 AM
FWIW: What you are taught in the Concealed class is that you NEVER pull out the weapon unless you are in fear of your life and are prepared to shoot to kill. The old cowboy shoots the aggressor in the arm is not the way it is. Also, you are taught to never pull the gun out just to scare anyone.
Never "shoot to kill." Always shoot to "stop the threat." Sounds so much better when questioned by the police or trial judge.
Post by: RoadDawg on June 09, 2016, 07:08:38 AM
:-\
My question to all is................those of you that have posted here with the permits and an obvious (love of) guns for protection................How many of you have encountered a real/live situation where your concealed gun saved your azz or avoided an otherwise bad situation. :nixweiss:
Most of us probably have not, and are thankful for that. But if the day comes, I will be prepared to protect myself and others. I'd suggest you join the NRA along with taking a concealed carry class. The NRA (American Rifleman magazine) publishes a list of people who have used firearms to save themselves from armed intruders and other threats each month.
Post by: TN on June 09, 2016, 08:27:28 AM
When you shoot at someone you shoot to kill. :rifle:
Carry safely everyone :bananarock:
TN
Post by: RoadDawg on June 09, 2016, 09:07:25 AM
Post by: moscooter on June 09, 2016, 10:04:35 AM
Most of us probably have not, and are thankful for that. But if the day comes, I will be prepared to protect myself and others. I'd suggest you join the NRA along with taking a concealed carry class. The NRA (American Rifleman magazine) publishes a list of people who have used firearms to save themselves from armed intruders and other threats each month.
::) Thanks to all for the feedback. I am indeed a member of the NRA and have been off/on since the 70's (Mostly on....)
I have had and still do have some hangups with certain stances that have come from the NRA. Examples would be making armor piercing ammo available to the general public and also assault type rifles. It's not at all clear to me why someone feels the need to have such weapons.............But that is my perspective.....Not wanting to turn this into any kind of pissing contest over what is or is not necessary. :drink:
Post by: RoadDawg on June 09, 2016, 10:35:15 AM
::) Thanks to all for the feedback. I am indeed a member of the NRA and have been off/on since the 70's (Mostly on....)I have an AR-15 that I purchased primarily for self defense if/when the chit really hits the fan. The way things are going in this country with the huge decrease in military funding, etc., and the influx of illegals from all over the world crossing our unprotected borders we might be in for a heluva fight one day. I'm sure not waiting for anyone to come and protect me and mine. Hope it never comes to that, but if it does I'll be wanting more than a handgun to defend myself. Once they take your "assault weapon" they'll come for the others too. Just a matter of time. Don't let it happen. The real problem in this country is our criminal justice system. The title really does fit: justice for criminals and the hell with everyone else! My 2 cents ;D
I have had and still do have some hangups with certain stances that have come from the NRA. Examples would be making armor piercing ammo available to the general public and also assault type rifles. It's not at all clear to me why someone feels the need to have such weapons.............But that is my perspective.....Not wanting to turn this into any kind of pissing contest over what is or is not necessary. :drink:
Post by: HUBBARD on June 09, 2016, 06:05:15 PM
Post by: smkymtnboy on June 09, 2016, 07:20:10 PM
I still can't believe the arrogance of the DOT Official I had the miserable occasion to talk to today. Talk about somebody that thinks they are J. Edgar Hoover, would be an understatement. Now listen, guys, I was polite and respectful, but this prick treated me like I was a common thug. First thing he told me was he was instrumental in getting the State to allow DOT officers to carry a gun, and equip their vehicles with Radar, so, as he said, "they could control these idiots out here driving Trucks like they were cars!" He then went on to inform me that, in his view, if a man needs a gun to drive a Truck, he needs to seek other employment. He then said that while it is legal, at this time, to carry a firearm in a Commercial Vehicle in WV, he and his "people", were trying to limit that by getting a law passed that required the gun to be unloaded, and the gun and ammo be placed in a lock box, on the opposite side of the Truck, if you're driving a Day-Cab, and if you're driving a Sleeper Cab, require the gun and ammo be in a lock box, outside the cab, in the side door, under the Sleeper. I was stunned at the drivel that came out of this guys mouth! It was like I was dreaming, and beamed-down into liberal hell! I mean, it was all I could do to not get his ass wound up, but I considered the source, and just listened. What's worse than that is, that's the kind of people we've got out here in the WV DOT. He's been fed all this chit, too, 'cause it's as obvious as the balls on a tall dog, that he lacked the intelligence to be speaking his own words. The one thing he said that did ring true with me was; "don't break the law, and you won't get stopped. If you don't get stopped, you won't get searched." If this moron represents the majority of LEO's here, it's a sad day in the Mountain State. There endeth the lesson. Later--HUBBARDvery sad day indeed! maybe, the law abiding non gun toting public will watch in horror as the bad guys have there way with this humble dot officer. they just do not understand that the majority of us really want to be on their side. oh well! thanks for the update.
Post by: TN on June 11, 2016, 08:58:26 PM
Shoot em if ya got em
TN
Post by: RoadDawg on June 12, 2016, 08:07:27 AM
RoadDawg, I wasn't directing anything toward you sir, well maybe shoot to kill. :nixweiss: I see the general public lining up to get a CWP and some has no business carrying a firearm. I'll hush up for now. :drink:
Shoot em if ya got em
TN
TN: No problem :) You're right about some people have a CWP who shouldn't. On the other side, many well-intentioned good folks will fail when it comes time to use their firearm due to a lack of consistent training. Also, it's one thing to shoot a paper target but a whole different scenario when it comes to shooting an armed intruder, even if he/she isn't shooting back at you. Nerves, adrenaline dump, etc. But having said that, as I write this I'm watching the news about a mass shooting in Florida with 20 dead and 40 wounded. Three hundred in the club. Imagine if only 1/10th of them were armed. Most likely a different ending to a very tragic story if that were so.
Post by: moscooter on June 12, 2016, 12:06:24 PM
:-\
Now it has grown to 50 dead, etc. I would agree a few of them armed could have made a difference in the outcome.
Post by: VaEagle on June 12, 2016, 12:45:47 PM
Like someone else has already said....The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun it to have a good guy with a gun. It needs to be on scene for best results as an old expression says "when seconds count the police will be there in minutes".
I just hope this recent shooting isn't used to blame the weapons used and not the individual. When those of us who favor the legal ownership of weapons get divided on discussions over practicality of certain styles of weapons then we get eroded in our collective power to prevent bans. I remember being taught as a kid that a weapon is just a tool that can be used for good or bad it just depends on who's hands they are in.......If a weapon is left on a table for 100 years it will never kill anyone by itself.
In another vein would we tolerate the government deciding what vehicle was practical for us to own (why do we need so much horsepower or luxury?).
Post by: RGlideKid on June 12, 2016, 01:09:00 PM
For many years, I had a very quick temper, and I wore that defect of character as a badge of honor. However, I did have the presence of mind to not go healed into certain environments I had the displeasure of frequenting back then. I'm thankful for that. Hell, I'm alive and free because of that! But today, Ol' Hub has mellowed, or better yet, maybe I've finally grown up, and have become a man. I cherish my life, and the life of my fellow man. I don't pack a gun to show-off, or to project or create fear. I pack it for the protection of my person, my family, and my property, which I love, and that I own. I pray to God Almighty I never have to pull it. Ever. That said, however, I am proficent with a handgun, and I stand ready to defend myself, if, God forbid, the unfortunate situation would come about. But I don't walk around consumed with that. I don't walk around lookin' for somebody to "Bust-a cap" on! Later--HUBBARD
That was very well said, Carl. It takes a man to see his faults, and an even better one to admit them not only to himself, but to others as well. And the best of men do something about it after admitting it to themselves. I commend you for that, sir. It's a tough lesson, but one I've had to learn as well, and am still trying to apprehend for myself today.
As concerning carrying a firearm concealed, we have a God-given right to protect ourselves and our family and property. In fact, I believe that God expects us to do that, in the most responsible manner possible. But there is another responsibility that comes with carrying.
I once saw a video where the notion of carrying was expanded, and in that person's mind, it comes with an obligation to protect others (yes, strangers) as well. In that video, he called those of us who carry the "sheepdogs", because in his mind, we might be the only protection the "sheep" (or sheeple, if you prefer) would have in a bad situation. Up until that point, the notion of protecting strangers hadn't crossed my mind in any meaningful way, but I agree with it. We may encounter a situation where we would need to help a law enforcement officer or some other public official, or some average joe on the street at some point in time. And at that point, you would need to have already worked out what you would do. Render aid (in the form of aggressive protection), or look the other way. The question becomes, if you are carrying and saw deadly violence about to occur and could save a life, would you just walk away?
The problem CCW owners are facing is civil prosecution. Thankfully, in Arkansas we have a law that says if you are not found guilty of a crime involving your handgun, you cannot be sued in civil court by a grieving family. In my mind, that law goes a long way to helping a CCW holder to make a tough decision about whether to render aid with a handgun...or not.
Post by: OBB on June 12, 2016, 01:44:04 PM
"But having said that, as I write this I'm watching the news about a mass shooting in Florida with 20 dead and 40 wounded. Three hundred in the club. Imagine if only 1/10th of them were armed. Most likely a different ending to a very tragic story if that were "The shooter must not have seen the "No Firearms" sign on the front door...
:-\
Now it has grown to 50 dead, etc. I would agree a few of them armed could have made a difference in the outcome.
Post by: Royalroadie on June 12, 2016, 03:32:17 PM
Second time was two years ago in New Orleans. Both of my confrontations have happened at filling stations, Quiktrip & Circle K. There is a lesson to be learned here, be very careful when you are getting gas.
The only thing that stopped me from probably shooting the guy is that as I started to draw my gun, it was not there. I was half way out of the car, reaching for my gun , when I realized it was locked in a TSA approved case, because I was topping of the rental car on the way to the airport. This happened in broad daylight at 13:30. This 35 year old, very muscled thug, attacked a 65-70 year old man from behind only 20 feet away from the front of my car. The first punch was in the back right quadrant of the mans head, he fell forward landing on his forehead. I saw the thug, coming up behind the guy but didn't think much of it until he hit him. The thug was oblivious to my presence, am I starting out of the car when the "O Chit" moment happened. This thug then stomped the mans head twice. I was with my wife and she was truly in shock. As I am getting back into the car, locking doors,and starting the motor, I told her to call 911. She could not even hold on to the phone. We where in self protection mode, and tried to be the best witnesses possible. We got a good description and a license plate.
All I can say is, always be prepared mentally and physically. I feel very fortunate to have gotten through both of these unharmed. Either one could have turned fatal in the blink of an eye. I am sure the many hours continuing training courses above and beyond you basic CCW helped me to respond accordingly.
Post by: Road Dad on June 12, 2016, 04:12:22 PM
If you carry get some real training and be proficient. Front Sight, Thunder Ranch (Clint Smith) are just a couple of great training facilities.
Post by: RGlideKid on June 12, 2016, 04:25:24 PM
The basic CCW course does in no way prepair anyone to carry a firearm.
If you carry get some real training and be proficient. Front Sight, Thunder Ranch (Clint Smith) are just a couple of great training facilities.
X2 could not agree more!
Post by: Royalroadie on June 12, 2016, 08:15:31 PM
The basic CCW course does in no way prepair anyone to carry a firearm.
If you carry get some real training and be proficient. Front Sight, Thunder Ranch (Clint Smith) are just a couple of great training facilities.
X 3. Having you papers in order is just the beginning. You must have a mindset to overcome and to survive. The best weapon you have is the gray matter between your ears. One of my instructors told me the best way to survive a gun fight is to avoid it, if you can't avoid it, WIN it!
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on June 16, 2016, 10:00:33 PM
Wilson Combat .45. Old school but really well made.
Love your Wilson.
I have a Les Baer and 2 Ed Browns. My next 1911 will be a Bill Wilson edition Wilson Combat.
Post by: jachd17 on June 16, 2016, 10:07:01 PM
Love your Wilson.
I have a Les Baer and 2 Ed Browns. My next 1911 will be a Bill Wilson edition Wilson Combat.
It appears someone is very knowledgable in quality 1911's! :)
Post by: BigLew on June 17, 2016, 09:47:01 AM
BigLew
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on June 18, 2016, 09:58:33 PM
It appears someone is very knowledgable in quality 1911's! :)
I have had a long time love of 1911's. Learned to shoot a pistol with Grandpa's service 1911 colt. Then got trained by the Navy with a 1911, got my expert marksman medal with a 1911. I have more 1911's than all my other pistols and wife's pistols added together. Most my non-1911 pistols function just like a 1911. My Sig P-238, Sig P-938, Kimber Solo. My 2 plastic pistols have the 1911 grip angle, the XD-40 and the XDS-40.
I have a few Kimber 1911's and a Springfield 1911 along with the others in the last post. One can never have enough 1911's.
Winter I usually carry a Kimber Ultra CDP. Summer its usually the P-938 or now the XDS-40
Post by: OBB on June 18, 2016, 10:57:27 PM
I have had a long time love of 1911's. Learned to shoot a pistol with Grandpa's service 1911 colt. Then got trained by the Navy with a 1911, got my expert marksman medal with a 1911. I have more 1911's than all my other pistols and wife's pistols added together. Most my non-1911 pistols function just like a 1911. My Sig P-238, Sig P-938, Kimber Solo. My 2 plastic pistols have the 1911 grip angle, the XD-40 and the XDS-40.So which P938 you have Dave? I picked up a Talo edition with the night sights and Houge grips on it from the factory. It's that green one that just came out last fall. I've not fired it and not sure I'm even going to keep it. The guy I bought it from had never fired it either. Just not too crazy out the external safties on them and the fact they're SA only. I've got a CZ RAMI coming in next week I'll be picking up.
I have a few Kimber 1911's and a Springfield 1911 along with the others in the last post. One can never have enough 1911's.
Winter I usually carry a Kimber Ultra CDP. Summer its usually the P-938 or now the XDS-40
Post by: bigchuck on June 18, 2016, 11:18:18 PM
I still can't believe the arrogance of the DOT Official I had the miserable occasion to talk to today. Talk about somebody that thinks they are J. Edgar Hoover, would be an understatement. Now listen, guys, I was polite and respectful, but this prick treated me like I was a common thug. First thing he told me was he was instrumental in getting the State to allow DOT officers to carry a gun, and equip their vehicles with Radar, so, as he said, "they could control these idiots out here driving Trucks like they were cars!" He then went on to inform me that, in his view, if a man needs a gun to drive a Truck, he needs to seek other employment. He then said that while it is legal, at this time, to carry a firearm in a Commercial Vehicle in WV, he and his "people", were trying to limit that by getting a law passed that required the gun to be unloaded, and the gun and ammo be placed in a lock box, on the opposite side of the Truck, if you're driving a Day-Cab, and if you're driving a Sleeper Cab, require the gun and ammo be in a lock box, outside the cab, in the side door, under the Sleeper. I was stunned at the drivel that came out of this guys mouth! It was like I was dreaming, and beamed-down into liberal hell! I mean, it was all I could do to not get his ass wound up, but I considered the source, and just listened. What's worse than that is, that's the kind of people we've got out here in the WV DOT. He's been fed all this chit, too, 'cause it's as obvious as the balls on a tall dog, that he lacked the intelligence to be speaking his own words. The one thing he said that did ring true with me was; "don't break the law, and you won't get stopped. If you don't get stopped, you won't get searched." If this moron represents the majority of LEO's here, it's a sad day in the Mountain State. There endeth the lesson. Later--HUBBARD
Really, you haven't been stopped in a Comercial vehicle without breaking the law?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on June 19, 2016, 08:06:35 PM
So which P938 you have Dave? I picked up a Talo edition with the night sights and Houge grips on it from the factory. It's that green one that just came out last fall. I've not fired it and not sure I'm even going to keep it. The guy I bought it from had never fired it either. Just not too crazy out the external safties on them and the fact they're SA only. I've got a CZ RAMI coming in next week I'll be picking up.
I got the two tone SAS carry, it has the night sights and rounded edges for carry. The external safety operates just like a 1911, so its natural for me. I have had it just over 18 months now. I really like it, its been 100% reliable as has the P238.
Truth about guns had this to say "I really think the P938 is worth it is when you’re used to shooting a hammer-fired pistol with manual safety — especially and particularly a 1911. If you compete with a 1911, target shoot with one, carry one when your attire affords it, etc etc, then the P938 is a no-brainer. Same manual of arms in a carry piece or backup gun as your primary or as what you’re most used to and trained on? Yes, please." which I why I got the gun.
Post by: OBB on June 19, 2016, 10:05:36 PM
I got the two tone SAS carry, it has the night sights and rounded edges for carry. The external safety operates just like a 1911, so its natural for me. I have had it just over 18 months now. I really like it, its been 100% reliable as has the P238.Gotcha. All my other guns are striker fire so there's no external safety to mess with. I'd eventually like to start collecting a few 1911's but just haven't progressed into it yet.
Truth about guns had this to say "I really think the P938 is worth it is when you’re used to shooting a hammer-fired pistol with manual safety — especially and particularly a 1911. If you compete with a 1911, target shoot with one, carry one when your attire affords it, etc etc, then the P938 is a no-brainer. Same manual of arms in a carry piece or backup gun as your primary or as what you’re most used to and trained on? Yes, please." which I why I got the gun.
Post by: TinSpinner on June 19, 2016, 10:41:02 PM
I got the two tone SAS carry, it has the night sights and rounded edges for carry. The external safety operates just like a 1911, so its natural for me. I have had it just over 18 months now. I really like it, its been 100% reliable as has the P238.
Truth about guns had this to say "I really think the P938 is worth it is when you’re used to shooting a hammer-fired pistol with manual safety — especially and particularly a 1911. If you compete with a 1911, target shoot with one, carry one when your attire affords it, etc etc, then the P938 is a no-brainer. Same manual of arms in a carry piece or backup gun as your primary or as what you’re most used to and trained on? Yes, please." which I why I got the gun.
Same reason I bought one, everything is where I expect it to be. I got the same model then put the Hogue grips on it, sweet little piece.
Post by: Indenial on August 11, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
Post by: HUBBARD on August 11, 2016, 12:02:55 PM
Really, you haven't been stopped in a Comercial vehicle without breaking the law?
Just saw your question, bigchuck. I've been asked to pull aside several times at Weigh Stations, to check Super, and Oversize Permits. Especially in VA, TENN., and GA. But they never look in the Truck, or ask to. Been lucky over the years, in a Big Truck. One ticket. 71MPH in a 60 zone, and for having a Radar Detector. That was years ago. Zero points on my CDL, at present. Try to keep it that way. Can't rock&roll like we used to! Too much damn traffic! 'Bout the only place I can have some real fun, is on a Mountain. Ol' Blackie will flat drag a 110-120,000# up a Mountain, like a car! Just gotta' keep a close eye on the water temp., and pyrometer. Love 'em ol' Trucks. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: wtfdskin on August 11, 2016, 08:18:22 PM
Post by: OBB on August 11, 2016, 09:17:13 PM
Mike, how do you like your Rami?Love it so much I'm now in the process of getting it's bigger brother. the 75 D PCR compact. It'll replace my G23 for my larger carry gun. This damn this is so accurate for a 3" barrel it ain't funny. Recoil is nothing due to the metal frame and the double stack is a damn nice fit in my hand.
Here's a pix of it next to my G43..
I need to trim a little more off that pinkie extension. It isn't made for that gun but it does fit the mag if that makes any sense. Just need it to be a little better fit. Mag doesn't have any issues fitting or functioning, I'm just not crazy about the look of it.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160812/e71ced503ce4dc7ad3a7ab2089b67ba8.jpg)
Post by: TinSpinner on August 11, 2016, 10:10:19 PM
Love it so much I'm now in the process of getting it's bigger brother. the 75 D PCR compact. It'll replace my G23 for my larger carry gun. This damn this is so accurate for a 3" barrel it ain't funny. Recoil is nothing due to the metal frame and the double stack is a damn nice fit in my hand.
Here's a pix of it next to my G43..
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160812/e71ced503ce4dc7ad3a7ab2089b67ba8.jpg)
Nice! I am really impressed with CZ's. I only have one right now, a CZ75B-SA that I picked up a few months ago but it has quickly become my favorite. A 75 compact is high on the wish list right now, the full size is a pleasure to shoot but a bit heavy for an EDC piece for me.
Post by: OBB on August 11, 2016, 10:25:18 PM
Nice! I am really impressed with CZ's. I only have one right now, a CZ75B-SA that I picked up a few months ago but it has quickly become my favorite. A 75 compact is high on the wish list right now, the full size is a pleasure to shoot but a bit heavy for an EDC piece for me.This one here is a DA/SA. That lever you see is the decocker. About an 8.5# first pull and 4# after that. You can carry it fully cocked and is has a firing pin block that will not allow it to fire unless the trigger is pulled. That 4# trigger on the first pull might get a little hairy though. I carry it at half cocked as you see in the pix.
Post by: BigLew on August 12, 2016, 10:59:12 AM
BigLew
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Post by: SneakyPete on October 31, 2016, 08:04:53 PM
:nixweiss:just added to the aresnal. Kimber
Nice piece Kenny
Post by: HogBreath on October 31, 2016, 08:24:34 PM
Post by: moscooter on November 01, 2016, 06:16:32 PM
I don't wanna crawl back thru 194 pages to see if this arms company has already been covered. Anyway, one of my buddys recently got one of these and it appears to be quality built and I'm thinkin' of gettting one after I get the necessary permits and take the concealed carry course.
Any thoughts on these..........I recognize we're talking only a 2 shot deal and having to re-cock it, but at close range in defense, it would have to be pretty lethal. :confused5:
https://bondarms.com/
Post by: Fired00d on November 01, 2016, 06:28:41 PM
:-\You better be one hell of a shot, quick on the draw & re-cock. Data and statistics have shown that a person (running at you w/a knife) can cover 21 feet before you can draw and fire a weapon. Also data/statistics show that when the poop hits the rotary oscillator your accuracy drops by 50%. For me I'd rather have an automatic weapon w/a magazine that carries the maximum amount my state allows. If needed I will fire until the threat has been eliminated (IMO it will take more than two shots). In this day and age w/the possibility of the bad guy/gal being high on some illegal/legal drugs (which could further increase the ability to stop the threat) I don't want to limit my ability to stop the threat.
I don't wanna crawl back thru 194 pages to see if this arms company has already been covered. Anyway, one of my buddys recently got one of these and it appears to be quality built and I'm thinkin' of gettting one after I get the necessary permits and take the concealed carry course.
Any thoughts on these..........I recognize we're talking only a 2 shot deal and having to re-cock it, but at close range in defense, it would have to be pretty lethal. :confused5:
https://bondarms.com/
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: grayghost731 on November 01, 2016, 07:21:17 PM
You better be one hell of a shot, quick on the draw & re-cock. Data and statistics have shown that a person (running at you w/a knife) can cover 21 feet before you can draw and fire a weapon. Also data/statistics show that when the poop hits the rotary oscillator your accuracy drops by 50%. For me I'd rather have an automatic weapon w/a magazine that carries the maximum amount my state allows. If needed I will fire until the threat has been eliminated (IMO it will take more than two shots). In this day and age w/the possibility of the bad guy/gal being high on some illegal/legal drugs (which could further increase the ability to stop the threat) I don't want to limit my ability to stop the threat.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
:2vrolijk_21: I would Agree with that statement! ;)
Post by: MIKEYTEE on November 01, 2016, 07:33:00 PM
Mike
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Post by: Jock on November 02, 2016, 08:42:39 AM
Might be OK for a New York Reload. ;) Always have at least one 'back-up'. har! spyder
Wise advise!
Post by: OBB on April 27, 2017, 10:22:51 PM
Thanks Mike. I too, bought one in May. Love the gun. Very accurate and it just plain "feels good" in my hands. I just returned from Sturgis, wearing it 5 full days both riding and walking. Never knew it was there. My next purchase will also be a PCR. I just need to find the right one.Just a bump. I normally don't mess with anything on a handgun other than sights and internal polishing but this PCR just begged to be cerokoted.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170428/01c9da855643e5d2d5452b7a2cc522b3.jpg)
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Post by: TinSpinner on April 28, 2017, 03:51:01 PM
Just a bump. I normally don't mess with anything on a handgun other than sights and internal polishing but this PCR just begged to be cerokoted.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170428/01c9da855643e5d2d5452b7a2cc522b3.jpg)
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That looks good Mike! :2vrolijk_21:
Next we hear you will be in debt to Cajun Gun Works for a trigger job and night sights. Great gun, love me some CZ's.
Post by: OBB on April 28, 2017, 07:28:40 PM
That looks good Mike! :2vrolijk_21:I did change out a few springs and the firing pin along with polishing up the innards while I had it all apart. Wife was saying the DA was too tough on her skinny little fingers. She has no problems with it now. :2vrolijk_21:
Next we hear you will be in debt to Cajun Gun Works for a trigger job and night sights. Great gun, love me some CZ's.
I got the parts from CGW but refuse to send it to them for a couple reasons, one is their labor cost, almost as back as MoCo and two, I won't be without it for 8-10 weeks when I can buy the parts from them, have them in 3 days and do it myself after work one night. Good people but they need to train some help once they get moved into their new building.
Post by: wtfdskin on April 28, 2017, 10:09:02 PM
I know this is mainly a handgun thread but just had to share what i just ordered a couple days ago.....cant wait to break her in.
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Vepr 12
Post by: Road Dad on April 28, 2017, 11:08:14 PM
I have 2 Lbs triggers in my competition firearms (open) but would never even consider that in a EDC. Running a 4.5 lbs in a WC for that.
Post by: Indenial on April 29, 2017, 05:11:57 PM
Post by: OBB on April 29, 2017, 08:34:28 PM
Mike, your PCR looks nice. I just found one at CGW and am on their 8wk list for a bushing some sights and the pro package. Can't wait to get it back.That should be a very gun to shoot.
Post by: moscooter on April 30, 2017, 07:35:52 PM
OK, here is the deal. A few months ago, I subscribed to the USCCA magazine as I was in progress of taking my CC class. As many of you must already know, I got email blasted by them to sign up for their coverage in case of an incident involving my pulling the gun and or firing it due to a conflict, etc.
For most of that time, I was not in any hurry to join up, cause my permit had not yet been issued. Why would I want to pay for some month or two of coverage when the whole deal would not yet apply to me. :confused5:
Lets be clear that I totally believe each and every "carry" person ought to have insurance coverage as the USCCA provides, I was all set to get my own policy..........as I just last week finally got my permit.
Fast forward to recieving my latest NRA mag this week. Oooooops, the NRA is now offering a similar package that covers you in case of an "incident". The costs are fairly close, and now I'm scratching my head as to which package to go for.
Have any of you made the comparisions and decided to switch...........or what comments do any of you all have as to either plan. :nixweiss:
Post by: VaEagle on May 07, 2017, 02:17:37 PM
https://www.nracarryguard.com/membership
The video is worth watching but does take about an hour :
https://www.nratv.com/series/speeches/video/dana-loesch-nra-carry-guard-the-best-protection-for-those-who-carry/episode/speeches-season-23-episode-3-2017-nra-annual-meetings
Post by: moscooter on May 07, 2017, 06:59:13 PM
Wow,
Thanks to VaE..........for after about 7 days, responding in some form to my inquiry. I'm somewhat "stunned" that a posting that is nearly 10 years old, and has shown avid responses to just which guns and/or models of same......that different guys feel is the way to go.....but for a forum (CVO Harleys)......which suggest those on board with it, have had or have the bucks to have a Harley that is nearly double what a standard Harley off the floor would be........but somehow just maybe can't seem to recognize the need/priority/save ur azz scenario that says YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF POLICY THAT WILL PROTECT YOU IF YOUR (concealed carry) desire gets you into an (incident).
Unless you're rich enough to "self" insure your actions/health/etc. You are at extreme risk to be carrying and not have some kind of policy from either USCCA or now the NRA making their own offering.
Just sayin..................... :nixweiss:
Post by: Para Bellum on May 07, 2017, 10:31:46 PM
The costs are fairly close, and now I'm scratching my head as to which package to go for.One of the big differences between USCCA and the NRA insurance packages is that USCCA provides money right up front for hiring an attorney--NRA does NOT. NRA insurance says they reimburse you only after you are found not guilty or charges are dropped.
Have any of you made the comparisions and decided to switch...........or what comments do any of you all have as to either plan. :nixweiss:
My experience with attorneys is that they want retainer money right up front, and the more time they expect to spend on the case (and probably the worse the charges), the more they want. So unless you have $50,000 or $100,000 in cash available immediately to hand over to an attorney...I'd side with USCCA.
Post by: VaEagle on May 08, 2017, 10:34:34 AM
Is the payment of criminal defense costs on a reimbursement basis?
Yes, payment of criminal defense costs is on a reimbursement basis. State laws prohibit insurance companies from covering their policy holders’ criminal acts. Once charges against you are dropped or you are found not guilty, NRA Carry Guard protection will reimburse your criminal defense costs up to the sublimit provided by your membership level, less any Supplementary Payments made.
So if true I don't know how USCCA could bypass insurance laws? I know one area covered in the video link above talks about importance of getting the right lawyer and having a knowledgeable one try to convince law enforcement and prosecuters from ever bringing charges to begin with. Just my .02 but having a group that's nationwide and been around for 146 years should have a larger pool of info and resources to rely upon and shouldn't be going bankrupt anytime soon.
More info from website:
How does NRA Carry Guard compare to other similar programs?
NRA Carry Guard is the only carry program developed and supported by the NRA and includes NRA training and education. This is the premier product available on the market today and all benefits are fully insured by Chubb®, the largest publicly traded property and casualty insurance company in the world. We encourage you to compare the following highlights of membership to other plans:
Each NRA Carry Guard Member has his or her own insurance limit. Other plans may have a shared limit among all members.
Spouses are automatically covered at no additional cost.
Family members who live with the NRA Carry Guard member are covered for acts of self-defense in the home at no additional cost.
Civil defense legal fees are in addition to the insurance limit for each membership level.
All NRA Carry Guard benefits are fully insured. Other plans may utilize a committee to determine whether benefits apply.
NRA Carry Guard members have immediate access to supplementary payments as needed of up to 20% of the Criminal Defense Costs limit including:
Attorney consultation and retainer fees
Bail money
Member loss of earning up to $250 per day
Lawful replacement of legally possessed firearm
Clean-up costs for member’s residence
Psychological support counseling
NRA Carry Guard provides access to legal assistance as well as the ability to select your own counsel.
NRA Carry Guard membership provides access to exclusive NRA training and education programs.
For specific questons related to you and your family I would give them a call,
1-866-NRA-5050
Post by: moscooter on May 08, 2017, 07:48:31 PM
I'm thinkin' that my question is coming too soon after the NRA has decided to (compete) in this market. I've been a long time (on and off again) member of the NRA and for several of the last few years. Getting their monthly magazine and their :-\ two or three times a month......mailings looking for more donations......."Your dues are not enough" ::)
Anyway, up till just very recently, I did not know about the NRA being involved in even offering such an insurance type package as does the USCCA.
So, just maybe noone can really assess the differences in coverage till some time passes and some members have some claim experience to talk about. :confused5:
I'm kinda inclined to go with the USCCA as they have been at this coverage for quite a while I believe and I have seen video clips of members that have had to use their services. As for the NRA similar service, I have seen zero/zip/nada. :oops:
Post by: OBB on May 08, 2017, 09:59:37 PM
:nixweiss:Geez,,, I thought I was special getting all the "extra" mail from them. I had to use the spam button on my email for them too.
I'm thinkin' that my question is coming too soon after the NRA has decided to (compete) in this market. I've been a long time (on and off again) member of the NRA and for several of the last few years. Getting their monthly magazine and their :-\ two or three times a month......mailings looking for more donations......."Your dues are not enough" ::)
Anyway, up till just very recently, I did not know about the NRA being involved in even offering such an insurance type package as does the USCCA.
So, just maybe noone can really assess the differences in coverage till some time passes and some members have some claim experience to talk about. :confused5:
I'm kinda inclined to go with the USCCA as they have been at this coverage for quite a while I believe and I have seen video clips of members that have had to use their services. As for the NRA similar service, I have seen zero/zip/nada. :oops:
Post by: Para Bellum on May 09, 2017, 12:48:48 AM
So if true I don't know how USCCA could bypass insurance laws?Here's the CCA statement of benefits: https://d3rmvquxnxa9wt.cloudfront.net/pdf/guides/USCCA_MemberResourceGuide.pdf (https://d3rmvquxnxa9wt.cloudfront.net/pdf/guides/USCCA_MemberResourceGuide.pdf)
Maybe they are in different states? USCCA clearly says they provide $$ up front.
I don't like the way NRA says "(can't) cover criminal acts;" seems like weasel words. We're buying "legal insurance" to cover attorney's fees. (Wonder if we could just get one of those insurance policies that covers legal expenses?)
Just my .02 but having a group that's nationwide and been around for 146 years should have a larger pool of info and resources to rely upon and shouldn't be going bankrupt anytime soon.
What matters is that a solid insurance company is underwriting the policy, not that it's NRA vs. USCCA. The NRA is using Chubb, which seems to be solid; CCA says "This liability policy is issued by United Specialty Insurance Company, a subsidiary of State National Companies, Inc. State National Companies currently writes over $600 million in premiums. United Specialty Insurance Company is rated ‘A’ by A.M. Best."
BTW, I don't have either NRA or CCA coverage...but I'm sure looking hard.
Post by: Para Bellum on May 09, 2017, 01:17:47 AM
U.S.LEGAL'S FAMILY DEFENDER ™ PAYS ATTORNEYS' FEES
Covered in full Dependent & spouse covered
Consultations √ √
Phone/Office √ √
Consumer Law √ √
Will, Living Will, Trust, P.O.A. √ √
Civil Actions, Plaintiff/Defendant √ √
Adoptions √ √
Real Estate Transactions √ √
Landlord/Tenant Law √ √
Traffic Violations √ √
Preparation of Legal Documents √ √
Juvenile Defense √ √
Family Law *+ 12 Hours √
Criminal Violations √ √
Personal Injury √ √
Bankruptcy Chapter 7 only √ √
Immigration √ √
Identity Theft √ √
All other matters ** √ √
* After 12 hours, there is an additional 33% discount
** Covered at a 33% discount
+120 day waiting period
This kind of policy covers almost all legal expenses, not just self-defense incidents, so it might be a better kind of policy. One drawback, though, is that it doesn't pay for bail money, but if you can afford to cover your own bail...
Site: http://www.uslegalservices.net/legal-insurance-plans (http://www.uslegalservices.net/legal-insurance-plans)
Post by: VaEagle on May 09, 2017, 01:11:13 PM
The fact is no one policy by anyone is going to be perfect for just one person's needs and if you examine the policies with a fine tooth comb you could pick any one apart and invent a scene where you object if you want to bad enough. Little things like one policy may not cover you if you drink or have taken drugs during incident, or work in law enforcement or security where you shoot while on the job etc. So you need to do your homework and see what works best for you and your family.
If all you are concerned about is personal liability then even an Umbrella Policy written for you by your homeowner's insurance could be the cheapest and easiest route to take.
Some of the policies mentioned just pay for your legal fees but it appears to be up to you to select a lawyer, Are you up to date who is the best criminal defense or civil court lawyer in your area or the area you have traveled too? Or will you choices be made on those late nite infomercials about "The Hammer" lawyer who will smash the competition etc.
The reason I brought up the NRA policy earlier is that it is geared for the average citizen with no "shoot, don't shoot" training not only on the range but in the classroom for legal preparation to help prevent a bad scenario to begin with but then of course advice and support after an incident has happened.
Some of us on the website don't need some aspects of the NRA plan but many might especially if they got their legal advice from TV shows. Then all of us may need refresher info from time to time to changing court cases and to consider the total cost of a critical incident from it's start to the aftermath.
Post by: moscooter on May 09, 2017, 04:15:19 PM
"Some of the policies mentioned just pay for your legal fees but it appears to be up to you to select a lawyer, Are you up to date who is the best criminal defense or civil court lawyer in your area or the area you have traveled too? Or will you choices be made on those late nite infomercials about "The Hammer" lawyer who will smash the competition etc."
VAe.....I believe that I saw evidence in the USCCA videos/writeups, that they had info on (gun friendly/savvy) attorneys in each of the States that they could refer you to in case of an incident.........although you were free to choose your own if you wished. :nixweiss:
Post by: 2k on April 29, 2018, 03:01:06 PM
Kimber Super Match ll..............as JBB called it, a tack driver
Post by: KGB on April 29, 2018, 03:49:17 PM
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Post by: Para Bellum on April 29, 2018, 03:59:50 PM
On the insurance front, I have the USCCA policy. The biggest reason I chose them over NRA is that NRA won't pay any money until after you are found not guilty. If you're found guilty, NRA doesn't pay at all.
I don't want to withdraw $100,000 for an attorney's retainer fee (yep) from my retirement account (and then pay the taxes on it!). CCA pays right from the start.
Post by: OBB on April 29, 2018, 09:29:27 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180429/24384d26c2b396a36e709ef16247bd62.jpg)Now to get you to the range with that bad boy.
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Post by: spydglide on November 21, 2020, 08:33:24 AM
Graduated from the Kimber family, really like the way this Wilson Combat Supergrade fits my hand.....like a 5th finger. Never did I think I would pay 5 grand for a pistolNice! You gonna use it for carry or just as a range toy? har! spyder :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: 2k on November 21, 2020, 09:51:27 AM
Post by: 2soaper on November 21, 2020, 12:10:30 PM
Post by: 2k on November 21, 2020, 12:27:17 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 21, 2020, 04:27:33 PM
Graduated from the Kimber family, really like the way this Wilson Combat Supergrade fits my hand.....like a 5th finger. Never did I think I would pay 5 grand for a pistol
I want a Wilson so bad. I have two Ed Browns and a Les Baer. Such nice 45's, but I still want a Wilson.
Beautiful gun by the way.
Post by: ultrarider123 on November 25, 2020, 09:16:32 AM
Post by: smkymtnboy on December 04, 2020, 02:18:21 PM
I haven't added any new side arms but I have added two new holsters so I don't have to carry in my vest anymore. Sneaky Pete makes a very nice belt/clip holster that fits my Ruger and I ordered one for my Sig, too. Very nice fit, finish and build quality. Looking forward to using it. They have a holster that fits just about everything and they are brand/model specific. Decent price, too.hey haird!! sneakys holsters fit close to the body? really need something comfortable. i use a inside the boot holster,now. i am afraid when i finally get it out i already be shot or stabbed. i like carrying the s&w j frames. mum, how that indian?
Post by: 08glide on December 05, 2020, 11:32:45 AM
Post by: ultrarider123 on December 10, 2020, 10:24:41 PM
hey haird!! sneakys holsters fit close to the body? really need something comfortable. i use a inside the boot holster,now. i am afraid when i finally get it out i already be shot or stabbed. i like carrying the s&w j frames. mum, how that indian?They do fit close to the body. I got both as belt loop mounts but they have clips, too.
Chieftain is a hoot to ride. We are really enjoying it. Just got out of quarantine for COVID so looking forward to more miles in this nice, cool December weather.
Post by: smkymtnboy on December 11, 2020, 09:21:13 AM
Post by: mjb765 on December 11, 2020, 02:48:26 PM
Mike
Post by: acevtwin on December 11, 2020, 04:05:14 PM
Figured this was as good a place as any to ask for an opinion. I have a S&W and Sig 9MM, an S&W 45 and a few .380's but now I am looking for a 1911. I usually carry the SIG P365 so the 1911 will be mostly a range gun. Looking in the $1500 range. Maybe a Colt Competition? Read some good things about that one, but still undecided. Opinions welcome....I have a Colt M45A1 and Love it. Very accurate.
Mike
Post by: 2soaper on December 11, 2020, 06:49:15 PM
Post by: OBB on December 11, 2020, 08:01:00 PM
Figured this was as good a place as any to ask for an opinion. I have a S&W and Sig 9MM, an S&W 45 and a few .380's but now I am looking for a 1911. I usually carry the SIG P365 so the 1911 will be mostly a range gun. Looking in the $1500 range. Maybe a Colt Competition? Read some good things about that one, but still undecided. Opinions welcome....Next thing to a 1911. Just doesn't have the grip safety.
Mike
CZ Shadow 2. Competition ready out of the box and under your budget amount by a few Bennies
https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-shadow-2-sa/
Post by: 2k on December 11, 2020, 08:05:41 PM
Figured this was as good a place as any to ask for an opinion. I have a S&W and Sig 9MM, an S&W 45 and a few .380's but now I am looking for a 1911. I usually carry the SIG P365 so the 1911 will be mostly a range gun. Looking in the $1500 range. Maybe a Colt Competition? Read some good things about that one, but still undecided. Opinions welcome....Lots of good ones for that price. Won't get you a Brown, Baer or Wilson, name is only part of the game. Colt, Kimber, Dan Wesson to name a couple of really good ones that won't break the bank. And if you look at the CZ that OBB recommended, don't let the single action trigger scare you. Not everyone is supposed to carry "cocked & locked"
Mike
Post by: mjb765 on December 11, 2020, 09:18:41 PM
Next thing to a 1911. Just doesn't have the grip safety.
CZ Shadow 2. Competition ready out of the box and under your budget amount by a few Bennies
https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-shadow-2-sa/
Good looking piece....the 17+1 capacity probably makes it unavailable while I am still in NY.....trying to get out of this state as soon as we find a house....then that gun will be possible. Will save the link and check it out. Already have a CZ Carbine on my list.....
Post by: mjb765 on December 11, 2020, 09:21:00 PM
Lots of good ones for that price. Won't get you a Brown, Baer or Wilson, name is only part of the game. Colt, Kimber, Dan Wesson to name a couple of really good ones that won't break the bank. And if you look at the CZ that OBB recommended, don't let the single action trigger scare you. Everyone is supposed to carry "cocked & locked"
Not worried about the single action....besides, this one is probably more of a range gun. I have my Sig P365 for carry--love that gun..also have an S&W M&P 9mm for carry if I want.
Post by: HiDrag on December 11, 2020, 09:36:51 PM
Post by: Yellow09SERG on December 11, 2020, 11:30:40 PM
Lots of good ones for that price. Won't get you a Brown, Baer or Wilson, name is only part of the game. Colt, Kimber, Dan Wesson to name a couple of really good ones that won't break the bank. And if you look at the CZ that OBB recommended, don't let the single action trigger scare you. Everyone is supposed to carry "cocked & locked"
Must be in a minority here, but I have had very good luck with the Springfield 1911 line. Have own several over the years and have been very good shooters
Post by: 2k on December 12, 2020, 09:22:22 AM
Must be in a minority here, but I have had very good luck with the Springfield 1911 line. Have own several over the years and have been very good shootersNot in the minority by any means!! Springfield Armory was founded in 1777 and quickly became known as "Americas Gun"
Post by: smkymtnboy on December 12, 2020, 11:33:11 AM
Not in the minority by any means!! Springfield Armory was founded in 1777 and quickly became known as "Americas Gun"ok ,2k springfield armory is americas gun! no arguement there! so, can you tell me who is americas team in college football?
Post by: Yellow09SERG on December 12, 2020, 11:41:17 AM
ok ,2k springfield armory is americas gun! no arguement there! so, can you tell me who is americas team in college football?
I am betting I know that one....
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 13, 2020, 09:46:52 AM
Good looking piece....the 17+1 capacity probably makes it unavailable while I am still in NY.....trying to get out of this state as soon as we find a house....then that gun will be possible. Will save the link and check it out. Already have a CZ Carbine on my list.....
Kimber and Springfield Armory make some very nice 1911's. They can be had for a little less then your 1500 range.
That said, I got a very good deal on my Les Bear, paid 1800 for it, normally just over 2K.
Post by: kojak on December 13, 2020, 05:03:34 PM
I carry either an XDS .45 or an S&W .38 Chief's Special.
On the insurance front, I have the USCCA policy. The biggest reason I chose them over NRA is that NRA won't pay any money until after you are found not guilty. If you're found guilty, NRA doesn't pay at all.
I don't want to withdraw $100,000 for an attorney's retainer fee (yep) from my retirement account (and then pay the taxes on it!). CCA pays right from the start.
Post by: 2k on December 13, 2020, 05:21:44 PM
I am betting I know that one....Well the Clemson Tigers of course. But the Sooners are a close 2nd :pumpkin: :orange:
Post by: Yellow09SERG on December 13, 2020, 10:37:59 PM
Well the Clemson Tigers of course. But the Sooners are a close 2nd :pumpkin: :orange:
Right now I am not sure 2nd to what though....
Post by: 2k on January 25, 2021, 08:41:01 AM
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Post by: spydglide on January 25, 2021, 10:24:58 AM
Post by: 2soaper on January 25, 2021, 11:26:32 AM
Post by: BigLew on January 25, 2021, 12:47:14 PM
Yep. WC Stainless SupergradeQuestion is old man, can you hit anything with it? :D :carrot: :carrot:
Post by: 2k on January 25, 2021, 08:23:50 PM
Question is old man, can you hit anything with it? :D :carrot: :carrot:Haven't threw it yet :worthless:
Post by: mjb765 on January 25, 2021, 08:49:30 PM
Post by: OBB on January 26, 2021, 06:04:18 AM
Really need to see this one in person.That looks interesting.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 26, 2021, 07:24:07 AM
Beautiful gun.
Post by: D-N-D on January 26, 2021, 02:18:09 PM
Dante
Post by: Yellow09SERG on February 05, 2021, 06:03:16 PM
Post by: 2k on February 06, 2021, 09:22:31 AM
BTW: Kimbers ain't cheap. That Black Ice mjb showed above will tear 2 grand to shreds
Post by: Yellow09SERG on February 06, 2021, 09:51:40 AM
Kimber used to be my 1st choice and is a great gun. I had a Super Match that was a tack driver and never had a feed problem in the 5 years I carried it. I would carry it again in a flash. True customs feel better in my hand and when they are fired, but also are $$$$. I have 4 Wilson's, 1 Brown and 1 Baer......I came into a little unexpected money, so I spent it :cucumber:Thank you 2k,
BTW: Kimbers ain't cheap. That Black Ice mjb showed above will tear 2 grand to shreds
That is kind of what I was wanting to hear. This is pretty much a base model Pro Carry 2 in Stainless. No snag ramped sights. $800 range. Perfect for I am wanting the gun to do
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 07, 2021, 07:21:49 AM
There are nicer custom guns, but a whole lot more than Kimber. Love my Ed Browns and Les Baer.
Post by: Yellow09SERG on February 07, 2021, 03:18:08 PM
I had looked at one of the 3" barreled Ultra Carrys. I have an XDS 45 3" that I carry now but was wanting to get back to the 1911 platform and the 4" barrel package. Carried a Springfield A-1 Champion for a long time and put lots of rounds through it. The Pro Carry looks a feels very much like my old Springfield did and that is kind of what drew my attention to it
Post by: Unbalanced on February 07, 2021, 04:44:25 PM
Wouldn’t hesitate to buy another. Was hoping my local dealer would bring in another full size TLE in 45.
Ordered a Milt Sparks waist concealed holster for it.
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The UC2 TLE Shoots great
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210207/ef767ce8dd07397645f1d1c9c906f64f.jpg)
My favorites though are the H&K Squeeze Cockers P7M8 and P7M13.
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Post by: porthole on February 07, 2021, 05:17:54 PM
Post by: Unbalanced on February 07, 2021, 05:54:13 PM
Not carrying but I have a Ultra Covert II. Nicely finished, very accurate out of the box, very impressed right up until I tried to take it apart without reading the instructions - who needs instructions for a 1911 :nixweiss:RTFM lol
. You’re not the only that had too.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 08, 2021, 07:07:30 AM
Dave, I have one of the Kimber Ultra Carry II. TLE. As well as 2 other Kimbers an Original Kimber from the original company which was one of the first ones they released, as well as one from the Custom Shop.
Wouldn’t hesitate to buy another. Was hoping my local dealer would bring in another full size TLE in 45.
Ordered a Milt Sparks waist concealed holster for it.
I really like the Milt Sparks holsters for my 1911's. I use his VM2 for for IWB carry. Also have one for my Sig P938.
Post by: 2k on February 09, 2021, 06:17:05 AM
Post by: 2k on February 09, 2021, 06:30:46 AM
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/video-crazed-man-attacking-deputy-soaks-up-12-rounds-before-hes-stopped/ (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/video-crazed-man-attacking-deputy-soaks-up-12-rounds-before-hes-stopped/)
And that my friends was a 9mm. No way he carries half that many .45 critical defense. Don't play with your life, if you gonna carry, carry something that talks!!! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: 2soaper on February 09, 2021, 10:48:51 AM
Post by: Twolanerider on February 09, 2021, 12:38:36 PM
Post by: VaEagle on February 09, 2021, 01:40:31 PM
Post by: Unbalanced on February 09, 2021, 06:35:27 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-snow-shovel-shooter-navy-20210207-kmhzfbwc5nccxo2tvipamg2tku-story.html%3foutputType=amp
Post by: porthole on February 09, 2021, 06:49:30 PM
Post by: 2soaper on February 09, 2021, 06:55:40 PM
Post by: Yellow09SERG on February 10, 2021, 10:30:06 PM
Dave, I have one of the Kimber Ultra Carry II. TLE. As well as 2 other Kimbers an Original Kimber from the original company which was one of the first ones they released, as well as one from the Custom Shop.
Wouldn’t hesitate to buy another. Was hoping my local dealer would bring in another full size TLE in 45.
Ordered a Milt Sparks waist concealed holster for it.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210207/1c33ebf311254695ebe18d9ef2dd1761.jpg)
The UC2 TLE Shoots great
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210207/ef767ce8dd07397645f1d1c9c906f64f.jpg)
My favorites though are the H&K Squeeze Cockers P7M8 and P7M13.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210207/a4ca137f68aaea423604529d3fcc9ac4.jpg)
Nice collection Harry. The squeeze cock HK's have gotten scarce. I still love my USP and USP Compact. Those are 2 guns that will probably never leave my possession
Post by: Yellow09SERG on February 10, 2021, 10:32:49 PM
You bought the Kimber, right? If the answer is no.....get yo hinney back to his house, yesterday!! :drummer:Yes and no.... I work with the guy daily and we have got our butts handed to us at work this week, plus with the ice we have on the ground and what they are saying is coming the transaction just hasn't happened
But it will as soon as we catch a break at work
Post by: BigLew on February 26, 2021, 11:09:39 AM
Dave, I have one of the Kimber Ultra Carry II. TLE. As well as 2 other Kimbers an Original Kimber from the original company which was one of the first ones they released, as well as one from the Custom Shop.
Wouldn’t hesitate to buy another. Was hoping my local dealer would bring in another full size TLE in 45.
Ordered a Milt Sparks waist concealed holster for it.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210207/1c33ebf311254695ebe18d9ef2dd1761.jpg)
The UC2 TLE Shoots great
The P7 is the best I have ever shot!
BigLew
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My favorites though are the H&K Squeeze Cockers P7M8 and P7M13.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210207/a4ca137f68aaea423604529d3fcc9ac4.jpg)
Post by: HUBBARD on March 08, 2021, 10:12:19 PM
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/video-crazed-man-attacking-deputy-soaks-up-12-rounds-before-hes-stopped/ (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/video-crazed-man-attacking-deputy-soaks-up-12-rounds-before-hes-stopped/)
And that my friends was a 9mm. No way he carries half that many .45 critical defense. Don't play with your life, if you gonna carry, carry something that talks!!! :2vrolijk_21:
I agree! I carry a Kimber Stainless II, 5", in a Shoulder Holster on the Motorsickle, and a S&W 686, in the DuraMaxx. I won't publish the ammo, but like you said, it will talk! God forbid I ever have to break leather.
Post by: mjb765 on March 09, 2021, 01:45:49 PM
Post by: KGB on March 09, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
I was talking to a dealer today about the new Kimber Rapide Black Ice. He said the new Kimber's are not as well made as the older ones. He said he wouldn't hesitate to buy an older model, but the new ones...not so much. Anybody have any experience with a recently manufactured Kimber?No experience with Kimber, but I have heard the same thing
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Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 10, 2021, 08:04:41 AM
I was talking to a dealer today about the new Kimber Rapide Black Ice. He said the new Kimber's are not as well made as the older ones. He said he wouldn't hesitate to buy an older model, but the new ones...not so much. Anybody have any experience with a recently manufactured Kimber?
Interesting. I had not heard this. But until you went into the custom 1911's Kimber was considered top of the line along with Springfield armory.
You start looking at Les Baer, Ed Brown or Wilson you are looking at a lot more money but Fantastic top of the line guns.
Post by: porthole on March 10, 2021, 09:33:30 AM
I was talking to a dealer today about the new Kimber Rapide Black Ice. He said the new Kimber's are not as well made as the older ones. He said he wouldn't hesitate to buy an older model, but the new ones...not so much. Anybody have any experience with a recently manufactured Kimber?
In the words of facebunk, without context .........
What is an older model?
Pistols made in Yonkers?
Pistols made in Yonkers, pre shut down?
In Yonkers before employees found out they were losing their jobs?
Who remembers the quality of 1968-69 HDs compared to 1970+
Pistols made in Alabama?
I have a Kimber Ultra Covert II 45ACP. Very nicely made, and capable of accuracy greater than I am capable of.
Fit and finish is excellent and being a 1911 style, it just fits.
Only negative is the take down procedure. You do not want to pull the slide without reading the directions.
Not as difficult as the Ruger Mark III 22 but can be challenging done wrong.
Post by: mjb765 on March 10, 2021, 09:39:49 PM
Post by: lyn.husen on March 10, 2021, 11:36:21 PM
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Post by: HUBBARD on March 11, 2021, 07:10:27 PM
In the words of facebunk, without context .........
What is an older model?
Pistols made in Yonkers?
Pistols made in Yonkers, pre shut down?
In Yonkers before employees found out they were losing their jobs?
Who remembers the quality of 1968-69 HDs compared to 1970+
Pistols made in Alabama?
I have a Kimber Ultra Covert II 45ACP. Very nicely made, and capable of accuracy greater than I am capable of.
Fit and finish is excellent and being a 1911 style, it just fits.
Only negative is the take down procedure. You do not want to pull the slide without reading the directions.
Not as difficult as the Ruger Mark III 22 but can be challenging done wrong.
Agreed. I no longer shoot my Kimber at the Range. Too damn hard to clean!!!! I practice with my Revolvers only, now. Simple. Later--HUBBARD
Post by: porthole on March 12, 2021, 10:56:26 AM
Duane...How long have you had your Kimber??
Don't know. Bought it used/unused 3 1/2 years ago.
And I haven't found any websites that you can look up kimber serial numbers.
Post by: Yellow09SERG on March 13, 2021, 10:25:34 AM
You bought the Kimber, right? If the answer is no.....get yo hinney back to his house, yesterday!! :drummer:
Well, ended up leaving the Kimber in his safe for now. I have always been partial to Springfields and ran across this one that I just couldn't pass up. I may go back and pick up the Kimber later, but its sure hard to get away from Springfield.
Post by: Warhawk on March 14, 2021, 05:42:11 PM
Post by: jachd17 on March 14, 2021, 06:41:18 PM
Have always carried on the bike, and probably always will. Current favorite carry gun is a SIG P365.
One of my favorites.
Post by: Finster101 on March 14, 2021, 10:21:49 PM
Post by: mjb765 on March 15, 2021, 07:42:25 AM
Have always carried on the bike, and probably always will. Current favorite carry gun is a SIG P365.
Mine too
Post by: BigLew on March 15, 2021, 12:19:14 PM
BigLew
Post by: 2soaper on March 15, 2021, 04:53:54 PM
Post by: Yellow09SERG on March 15, 2021, 10:01:27 PM
How is the Kimber different than any other 1911 to disassemble and reassemble?
Don't know that I would necessarily say Kimber is different. It all depends on the gun. Mil spec guns which is what most are used to seeing has a barrel bushing and a cap over the recoil spring. Push the cap in rotate the barrel bushing and release the spring pressure which allows disassembly with no spring pressure. A lot of newer as well as a lot of 4" and 3" 1911's have the barrel bushed in the slide so there is no barrel bushing and thus the spring tension isn't released. Whith those there are 2 ways that I know of to disassemble. You can pull the slide back and insert a tool (paper clip) into a hole in the guide rod thus holding the spring tension for disassembly or you can pull the slide back to the notch with spring tension still on the frame and remove lock lever and disassemble from there. The later method is how I have started using. Lots of videos for both methods can be seen on YouTube
Post by: charles05663 on March 16, 2021, 12:29:21 PM
To do so, you push the slide lock on the right hand side (the little nub) and the slide lock with pop out and release the barrel. I learned the trick in the Army when I carried a .45.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: Finster101 on March 16, 2021, 09:09:52 PM
If you know the right trick, you can disassemble a M1911 by just pulling the slide back and never fuss with the barrel bushing.
To do so, you push the slide lock on the right hand side (the little nub) and the slide lock with pop out and release the barrel. I learned the trick in the Army when I carried a .45.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Learned that trick being a tanker. Could field strip one in 7 seconds and reassemble in 12. The "idiot mark" didn't matter on my issue piece. I don't want it on my Colts though. Never handled many Kimbers the platform seems the same though.
Post by: Yellow09SERG on March 18, 2021, 02:07:46 PM
Learned that trick being a tanker. Could field strip one in 7 seconds and reassemble in 12. The "idiot mark" didn't matter on my issue piece. I don't want it on my Colts though. Never handled many Kimbers the platform seems the same though.The Kimbers will do the same with barrel bushing or slide bushing. Rack slide back till you reach notch and slip the slide lock out