Post by: HogHvn on September 17, 2018, 10:40:51 AM
Post by: bbrown on December 04, 2018, 11:41:31 AM
Post by: VaEagle on December 04, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
Every year someone posts optimistic predictions that "this will be the year we see new......" whether it's motor, paint, suspension or more electronic bells and whistles etc. Then the photos come out and some say "worst colors yet" but once they arrive at dealership and members post photos of their bike, favorites come out and everyone relaxes.
As far as justifying the cost difference my guess is H-D is still trading on the myth of the early CVOs being hand built in a separate building (which hasn't been done since 2009) v. just accessory parts on the standard assembly line. They kept the price up and people keep paying it because they just have to have the largest motor or limited paint and accessories. Good old supply and demand at work.
Of course we still have to see 2019 bikes, maybe 2020 could be different but I don't see much change until more of us Old Timers die off so so H-D isn't stuck on the 1936 air cooled v-twin design and it's limitations that old customers demand.
Post by: iski on December 04, 2018, 12:51:32 PM
Post by: rayson56 on December 04, 2018, 01:53:25 PM
My guess is the 2020 Harleys will have perfect eyesight.
LMAO!!
Only 10 months till we find out for sure. :drummer:
Post by: tazmun on December 04, 2018, 08:23:17 PM
1) 10 year 100,000 mile engine warranty!
2) Factory engine upgrades thru stage 4, at a slight cost increase!
3) Most important!, NO MORE SUMPING!!!!!!!
:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
:drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink:
Post by: Twolanerider on December 04, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
Post by: tazmun on December 04, 2018, 09:07:35 PM
2020 CVO Servicar.
That would be super cool for all or us! ;D, I mean us OLD GUYS!
Post by: bigchuck on December 04, 2018, 09:35:40 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on December 04, 2018, 10:36:00 PM
That would be super cool for all or us! ;D, I mean us OLD GUYS!
That's damn near all of us :huepfenlol2: :drink: .
Post by: bbrown on December 05, 2018, 07:02:46 AM
LMAO!!
Only 10 months till we find out for sure. :drummer:
actually it’s about 8 and a half months
Post by: muddypaws on December 05, 2018, 07:46:51 AM
Post by: Grizzly on December 05, 2018, 08:11:24 AM
"Can you SEE your way CLEAR to purchasing a new 20/20 Harley?"
Post by: iski on December 05, 2018, 08:30:58 AM
Post by: grc on December 05, 2018, 01:33:20 PM
I think I'd like to see the MoCo declare a moratorium on new models while they work (hire outside experts) to resolve the many long-standing issues that have plagued their bikes for the past decade (or at least since the RushedMore bikes came out). Fix the current bikes, then start out with a clean sheet of paper going forward. OR, just continue pumping out whatever it is they pump out these days and hope younger folks suddenly throw away their phones and video games while embracing overpriced low quality motorcycles instead. They could also try to figure out how they can replace the huge profits they reaped from Boomers when they have to rely on sales of small bikes to the Indians and Chinese while trying to compete with Honda.
Jerry
Post by: scottt on December 05, 2018, 06:40:28 PM
I think I'd like to see the MoCo declare a moratorium on new models while they work (hire outside experts) to resolve the many long-standing issues that have plagued their bikes for the past decade (or at least since the RushedMore bikes came out). Fix the current bikes, then start out with a clean sheet of paper going forward. OR, just continue pumping out whatever it is they pump out these days and hope younger folks suddenly throw away their phones and video games while embracing overpriced low quality motorcycles instead. They could also try to figure out how they can replace the huge profits they reaped from Boomers when they have to rely on sales of small bikes to the Indians and Chinese while trying to compete with Honda.Jerry; I totally get where you are coming from.
Jerry
First time since 1989 that I've been without a Harley. Purchased 12 new ones over the years including a CVO. Hope to buy one again if/when the motor company starts building a competitive offering.
Not going into what I'm now riding, it's a bike I really enjoy. That said, I'll always have a place in my heart for Harleys, simply can no longer deal with paying top dollar for a sub par owner experience.
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Post by: tazmun on December 06, 2018, 10:29:18 AM
One of the sales guys and I were talking about market conditions, and he stated that HD was starting to
discontinue slow selling models!!! He said a few Sporties, one or two Softtails, and I think the Limited Low!
They may finally understand? :drummer:
Post by: Twolanerider on December 06, 2018, 12:39:29 PM
"the sales guys... stated"
Those haven't ever been words that brought comfort or trust. ;)
Post by: iski on December 06, 2018, 03:26:45 PM
Those haven't ever been words that brought comfort or trust. ;)
Not a 2020 HD spy shot but should be.....
(http://starcarsagency.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/original-website/1570/2342/1432128007_IMG_2029.JPG)
Post by: Twolanerider on December 06, 2018, 07:08:37 PM
Post by: tazmun on December 06, 2018, 09:58:47 PM
Those haven't ever been words that brought comfort or trust. ;)
This guy has been selling HD at the same dealer for over 19 years! Very respected person!
Post by: grc on December 07, 2018, 08:45:10 AM
I forgot to mention, I stopped into one of the larger dealers in the MKE area about 2 month or so ago.
One of the sales guys and I were talking about market conditions, and he stated that HD was starting to
discontinue slow selling models!!! He said a few Sporties, one or two Softtails, and I think the Limited Low!
They may finally understand? :drummer:
Eventually even the people in Milwaukee have to come out of their cocoon and look at reality. We are seeing some painful shifts being made in other vehicle operations due to rapidly changing consumer preferences as well as competitive economics, such as American auto makers killing off passenger car models and shifting to almost total reliance on trucks and SUV's/CUV's. At some point even the hardest of hard heads has to figure out that continuing to make stuff that doesn't sell very well and doesn't make a profit is a fools game. As the older crowd that helped Harley survive and prosper over the past three decades fades into the sunset, they can no longer sell enough of the overpriced stuff to make up for the losses from the other model lines. We've already seen the demise of many models, it won't surprise me to see more slow sellers discontinued.
Jerry
Post by: laylonlor on December 22, 2018, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: scottt on December 23, 2018, 08:11:33 PM
120 c i motor coming soon ,... and adding 4 k to the price tag :drink:New frame and suspension is long overdue. Harley must make major improvements to the touring line in 2020 to compete. Right now they are not competitive.
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Post by: mturner2003 on March 26, 2019, 09:46:24 AM
That being said, I am waiting for the 2020 to upgrade from my '16 because I didn't like the colors this year. They look good, no doubt. But, the color combos did not suit my taste. I really liked the Mako Shark Fade on the RG but wasn't really that impressed to be losing lower fairings, heated grips and a higher price tag over my current or newer SG.
I'm not a boomer, nor am I a millennial, so I enjoy the overall traditional look but do want it to be updated with a modern lines and features. Which, I think the company is currently doing and doing well.
The only thing I wish I could do is custom order my CVO. I can't count how many times I would have purchased a bike simply because of the paint but did not like the engine color. Or, visa versa.
I'm just not too sure why some folks get upset about their experiences with Harley's or in what direction the company is going or not going. I've never had a problem with any Harley I have ever owned. Are their other companies that produce better motorcycles? Maybe. Opinions vary. Which, brings me back to my main point, I will continue to buy Harley Davidson. I will continue to buy CVO's... because I like them.
Post by: OBB on March 26, 2019, 10:56:20 AM
Eventually even the people in Milwaukee have to come out of their cocoon and look at reality. We are seeing some painful shifts being made in other vehicle operations due to rapidly changing consumer preferences as well as competitive economics, such as American auto makers killing off passenger car models and shifting to almost total reliance on trucks and SUV's/CUV's. At some point even the hardest of hard heads has to figure out that continuing to make stuff that doesn't sell very well and doesn't make a profit is a fools game. As the older crowd that helped Harley survive and prosper over the past three decades fades into the sunset, they can no longer sell enough of the overpriced stuff to make up for the losses from the other model lines. We've already seen the demise of many models, it won't surprise me to see more slow sellers discontinued.Someone forgot to tell the foreign automakers that the US market for small cars is dwindling as I still see tons of new ones (foriegn) running around all over the place. Maybe the US buyer just didn't like anything the "US" manufacturers are putting out there. Very similar to HD, build more expensive models and hope they sell.
Jerry
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Post by: Threephase on March 26, 2019, 11:18:17 AM