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Custom Vehicle Discussions => Screamin' Eagle® Electra Glide® => Topic started by: factoryphil on August 08, 2004, 07:11:13 AM
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Has anyone replaced the front speakers yet? If so, what speaker did you buy? Was there a clear differnce between the speakers? I find that the stock speakers work fine until you start to crank out the volume.
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First time I heard someone say that. I'am always playing my XM radio and it's loud and clear.
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I have no problems with mine cranked up.
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Has anyone replaced the front speakers yet? If so, what speaker did you buy? Was there a clear differnce between the speakers? I find that the stock speakers work fine until you start to crank out the volume.
I replaced the HD speakers on the Ultra I used to own with Polks. You can get them at Circuit City. http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&u=c&catoid=-8868&qp=0&oid=73869&m=0 They are 4 ohm speakers and are bolt in replacements. Click here for a side by side comparison of the HD vs. Polks. http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=4747989&uid=467647
I haven't changed the speakers in my SEEG... yet :)
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To my understanding you can ot make any modification to that system period. [smiley=nixweiss.gif] whats wrong with it [smiley=nixweiss.gif] [smiley=confused5.gif] [smiley=drink.gif]
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The purpose of my inquiry was two fold.
1--- I wanted to see if anyone had replaced the factory speakers. If so, did this mod make a difference in carity and low end bass response.
2--- What speaker did they use and would they recommend it.
The factory stereo is good, but I think the weak link are the speakers. Althought this system is better then most it can still be improved upon.
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MoChrome
Thanks for the info. Great slide show. Since you seem the be the only one that has done anything like this. Is there anything to be gained by changing the speakers?
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I changed all four speakers on my 03 Ultra to Polks and it made a huge difference (ask any of the guys who were behind me last year during our 1-1/2 week trip). One downside of changing the Ultra speakers is that those HD units use 8-ohm speakers and the Polks are 4 ohm. With that there is a risk of overheating the amp and causing it to fail unless additional resistors are added.
The SEEG sound system is different than any other HD system and among other things uses 4-ohm speakers. While I am in no way an audio systems expert, I can't imagine there would be any reason the Polks would not work properly right out of the box since they are also 4 ohm. While the SEEG system sounds pretty darn good I too think a new set of speakers would make it even better.
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I agree with Mochrome. The factory speakers are pretty darn good but they could be better so I ordered the Polk speakers from Circuit City. They were 89 Bucks and they came in yesterday. Super fast shipping. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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CEI please keep us informed as weather they are an improvement over stock!!!
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any water concerns using the Polks?
/Bill
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$71.99 Online right now from CC.
/Bill
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My second passion to riding is music. I truly spend way too much money on stereo equipment. I find the original HD SEEG stereo unlistenable. Then again maybe I am expecting too much in an open air environment. Today I am having my 1K service done so I have brought in a pair of Boston Acoustic 5.25
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billt1, I look forward to seeing what your critical ear thinks of the Boston Acoustics. I put Polks in my '02 Electra Glide. They were better than stock, but not that much, IMHO. Be sure to let us know what model BA's you went with. Also, are they water resistant?
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I hope no one else bought the Polk speakers. I appologize. I hooked them up and they sounded great in the garage with the bike running but on the highway there is very little improvement over the factory speakers. [smiley=oops.gif]
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I installed the Polks last weekend and am happy with the results. It's not a huge improvement over stock but I think the bass sounds better on the road. [smiley=ears.gif]
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I installed Boston Acoustic speakers a couple of weeks ago. Much improvement over stock, standing or moving. One very apparent thing is the Boston
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billt1, what model of Boston's did you install?
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I paid $80.00 at a local dealer.
http://www.bostonacoustics.com/ca_product.asp?ProductID=86&CategoryID=14
FX5
Affordable car coaxial speakers ideal for stock locations
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Thanks! 92dB is a decent sensitivity rating but there are better, so I'm surprised you noticed that large of a difference. The stockers must be in the mid-80's or something. Anyway, thanks for the information. I think I'm gonna try a set!
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In a home system it takes 100 additional watts to increase the sound pressure level by 3db. I based my decision on previous experience with much more expensive Boston Acoustic equipment that I have owned in my cars. If you move up to the next more expensive speaker, the sensitivity actually drops by 2db.I listened to them both in a dealer
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Thanks for the info will look at them. Are they waterproof?
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I asked the dealer that before I put then in. He said waster resistant would better define them. The cones are polymer and I figured for $80 on $32K bike if they lasted 2 years I would throw them away. I have washed the bike at least 6 times since I owned them, intentionally spraying water on the speakers (I am not recommending). Because if they are going to fail I want them to fail here and not on a trip. So far so good. [smiley=divers009.gif]
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Here's a new option for replacement speakers.
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I installed Boston Acoustic speakers a couple of weeks ago. Much improvement over stock, standing or moving. One very apparent thing is the Boston
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Are they waterproof and shock proof??
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Perhaps the factory speakers in the SEEG are better than the normal ones, I don't know.
I was actually doing a little homework on the radio and audio system on these bikes this weekend. Unbeknownst to me previously the audio systems we got are a step up from those installed on the rest of the Glides. The SEEGs (at least in 05) got what is available over the counter as HD part number 76350-04. It's a radio with a built in 60w amp and a few other minor differences. This kit, however, is why we've got the 4 ohm speakers and the rest of the Glides are 8 ohm.
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Hey All
Pez here aka the guy who put his scoot up to finance HOGTUNES. Leo (GEEZERGLIDE) bought some stuff from me today and told me about this site--VERY COOL!
Anyways-since there was already a post going about speakers, I thought I should let people know I can answer any questions they have--been in the audio biz for tooooo long--but learned a few good things along the way.
My site is www.hogtunes.com my email is info@hogtunes.com
And it is true that forum members get 10%off
Cheers all!
PEZ
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Welcome to the site Pezsez you will like it. Will check out the site.
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Hey All
Pez here aka the guy who put his scoot up to finance HOGTUNES. Leo (GEEZERGLIDE) bought some stuff from me today and told me about this site--VERY COOL!
Anyways-since there was already a post going about speakers, I thought I should let people know I can answer any questions they have--been in the audio biz for tooooo long--but learned a few good things along the way.
My site is www.hogtunes.com
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Hello,
I think the biggest problem with the system is the environmet in which it operates. The fact that the 4 inch speakers are mounted in the fairing, and share the same air space causes problems with the low end (bass). A 4 inch speaker will just not produce the kind of bass response that most people are looking for, or are used to in a home or caged (4 wheels) environment. Using a 4 ohm speaker will drive the ampifier harder and could as mentioned above cause the ampifiers in the head unit to fail, however this is commonly done. If used properly it should not present any problems. Has anybody thought about adding a subwoofer to a tour Pak?
Great dialog, Good riding
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I would like to speak on this matter but my audio system has been popping and cracking since day one [smiley=confused5.gif]...I am riding without tunes... [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]..my dealership stays away from everything electrical as much as possible.. and I DONT TRUST THEM. Any suggestions other than going to a different dealer.
Pez, I would love to try your product. Could you post the specs of your speakers...
thanks
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I install alot of J&M speakers. I've had a set in my bike for 3 years now. I really think they sound better then any other speakers I've installed. And I have installed alot of speakers.
http://www.sierra-mc.com/proddetail.asp?prod=JM%2DHCUS%2D98
Later......Butch [smiley=cool3.gif]
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Anybody dealt with Biketronics and there replacement system?
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I install alot of J&M speakers. I've had a set in my bike for 3 years now. I really think they sound better then any other speakers I've installed. And I have installed alot of speakers.
http://www.sierra-mc.com/proddetail.asp?prod=JM%2DHCUS%2D98
Later......Butch [smiley=cool3.gif]
Welcome to the board Butch. Are those speakers 4 0hm or 8? The speakers on a regular or Ultra Classic Electra Glide are 8 ohm however, on the SEEG we have 4 ohm.
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I PMed hogtunes and expressed intrest in buying two sets of speakers and also asked if there,s a group discount possible didn,t get a reply and haven,t seen any other post from him. says he has seeg.Still interested in two sets of speakers but thats on hold may put 05 road glide unit in my 00 ultra if it works want cd player bad- hope its compatable also will replace air temp and other small gauge with speakers sometime soon-AK
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Guys and Gals,
I changed my speakers out for the Infinity speakers, made by Harmon Kardon, sounded great in the garage on the open road with the Pro Pipe not so good, the cones crapped out because of the volume at max.
Bought a set of Hog Tune speakers and they are great, half to run at slightly over half voilume. They are 6ohm and ahve a huge magnet.
Pez, who sells them has a lot of experince in the Audio & Sound Filed, I have seen his link on this websit but do not remember when.
anyway my .02 cents
geezerglide
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Was waiting to see how people liked the hog tunes speakers guess I should bite the bullet and get a set.
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Being technically challenged, what is the down side to 6 ohm speakers tied to a stereo that's designed for 4 ohm speakers? Anybody know? Are they waterproof (I do seem to get caught in more than my share of rain on the long trips)??
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JCZ,
Get a hold of Pez, he explained to me in regards to the 6 ohm, however, I to aint no genius when it comes to electronics.
I noticed a previous post where someone mentioned he did not hear from Hog Tunes, if I remeber from the HTT website he was going to be gone for a week or so.
geezerglide
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Hey all
I have been at Consumer Electronics show in Vegas and have not been able to check sites/email like i usually like to--sorry for the delay.
If anybody ever has questions, Im here to help! Best way is info@hogtunes.com Also there are email buttons on every page of www.hogtunes.com
Forum members get a 10% discount by using the hidden link www.hogtunes.com/membersdealpage.htm
If any one has questions about customer feedback, drop me a note and I will send a collection of actual unedited posts from customers off the forums. There is a good one on HTT in the general section. I believe the topic is " OH PEZ..............(Hogtunes speakers) Check it out
I will be back Monday night--and get right back to it.
Again sorry for the delay, and after tommorrow night will be much more prompt!
Cheers--PEZ
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Was waiting to see how people liked the hog tunes speakers guess I should bite the bullet and get a set.
So Mr. Magoo...did you get the hog tunes speakers? Honest assessment?
elvis
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did you get the hog tunes speakers?
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I purchased a set of speakers today..I will post my results ASAP. My scoot has had audio problems from day one. I hope it is just the speakers... I will keep you informed.
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I purchased a set of speakers today..I will post my results ASAP. My scoot has had audio problems from day one. I hope it is just the speakers... I will keep you informed.
Which kind did you get?
elvis
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Sorry [smiley=6.gif] I went with Hog Tunes
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Let us know what you think of them, especially at speed. Stock speakers ain't bad but I'd watch monkeys ____ for $100, 'specially if they're better on the highway.
thanks,
elvis
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I know he did lament that the fit was not absolutely perfect, in that the serviceman who put them in for him did have a slight problem, but the end result is great!
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I replaced my stock speakers with J&Ms sound was great!!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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I paid full price for the Hog Tunes from the web site, and was OK with it..then I received an e-mail from the owner stating that he refunded me 10% for being a member of this site...WOW what a true business man
THANKS!!!!!
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I installed the speakers today in about 40min...they sound great! I recommend them to all audio buffs. I did have to modify the stock bracket a little bit to make the Hog Tunes fit. Only took a second to shave a little plastic off the bracket...very pleased!!!
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I have been riding with the new"HOG TUNES" speakers and THEY ROCK!!!!!!!
you guys need to get a set to really improve the sound quality during your rides
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I installed the speakers today in about 40min...they sound great! I recommend them to all audio buffs. I did have to modify the stock bracket a little bit to make the Hog Tunes fit. Only took a second to shave a little plastic off the bracket...very pleased!!!
So you pulled the inner fairing and put the speakers in...did you get the Shop Manual to find out how or is it fairly straightforward? Coming from a Road King, I am not sure how to work with this fairing...
thanks,
elvis
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So you pulled the inner fairing and put the speakers in...did you get the Shop Manual to find out how or is it fairly straightforward?
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Thanks, Dave.
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2euce
Thanks for the kind words!----
I do not know anyone who is more picky than I am when it comes to the parts I put on my bike. The fact that people put my product on their bikes is to me a great compliment and one I do not take lightly. When people such as yourselves give the product praise publicly, it IS the ultimate compliment!!!!
Cheers--PEZ www.hogtunes.com
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Got the Hogtunes installed tonight and rocked out in my garage for a while. What a difference from the stock speakers. I can't wait to hear them on the road. Great product Pez!
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After my recent audio debacle with Biketronics I decided to do something that was both good and smart. Ordered a set of Pez's speakers a couple nights ago. Good, because everyone says the product is such a stellar improvement. Smart, because everyone's experience speaks volumes that he's just a good guy to work with. Looking forward to getting them Pez. Thanks for getting them shipped out so quickly after receiving the order.
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With the ohms of the stock vs hogtunes being different does that create any problems?
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With the ohms of the stock vs hogtunes being different does that create any problems?
I asked that question of Pez via email before ordering. Was told not an issue with his speakers. I was in a hurry at the time and didn't ask why; if there was a different model speaker or if his product's impedance was ok for other reasons. But he said it was going to be ok and I took him at his word. Got to admit, it would suck royally to blow an amp in that gawdawful expensive radio later because the Hogtunes speakers turned out to be an issue.
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If that happened I think Pez would stand behind his product. Besides, you could just throw the stock speakers back in there and get it taken care of under the warranty. (Did I just say that? Oops, please disregard. I would never do anything like that.) [smiley=laugh.gif]
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I asked that question of Pez via email before ordering.
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I have them on mine and no problem so far. The Hogtunes speakers are 6 Ohm which is not enough difference to cause a problem imho.
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So maybe a silly question but I gotta ask. Coming from a Road King, not real knowledgeable on fairings, so maybe this is normal...I am hearing like a tremelo or wah, wah, wah type sound on my stereo at speed....wind? Not sure, cuz when I move my head forward towards the fairing and out of the wind, I still hear it. Have had it in twice in 2 weeks for this, first time...new left speaker...no change....just got it back again after they said the 'ground on the stator was loose' and it still does it.....frustrated......maybe that's just the best sound ya get from the stereo at 70 mph and up...? You guys hear tunes great at speed or am I just expecting too much?
elvis
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So maybe a silly question but I gotta ask.
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Got my Hogtune speakers in today. Went out into the garage to put them on my scoot and my scoot wasn't there! Opps, forgot it hasn't made it here yet so I placed speakers on the "To Do" list along with the other $5,000 in accessories.
If my bike doesn't get here soon I'm going to run out of money and won't be able to buy it whan it finally does arrive! Has anyone tried hanging big dice from your rearview mirrors yet? [smiley=nixweiss.gif] Just wondering.
See Ya's, JR [smiley=laugh.gif]
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OK You Guys-here goes............(some of you may have already seen a similar explanation)
I am very confident the Moco radio can run a 4 ohm load--for this example -8 ohms is "the lightest load" 4 ohms is the "heaviest load", and 6 ohms is in the middle. For reference Zero ohms is the heaviset possible "load" which is AKA a dead short.
Lets say the Moco radio is a 5 ton truck, and the normal day to day "load" you put in it is a 1 ton (8 ohm ) load. The truck really doesnt have to develop that much power, the engine runs cool and the truck works away almost if there is no load at all. For this part--the speaker is soooo "light" at 8 ohms, it doesnt play loud as the radio doesnt have to develop that much power---for 8 ohms, the "give" is performance, but high reliability.
To the other "extreme" in this anaolgy, lets say you put 5 tons (4 ohms) on that same 5 ton truck. The motor "has" to make more power cause its moving a much larger load. The engine runs hotter, the fuel effeciency goes down, but since the 5 ton truck is made for a 5 ton load--all is OK, and all is fairly reliable. In this case, the radio has to move the heaviest load its made for, so its making more power (watts), so it plays louder. This comes at the expense of a higher current draw from the electrical system, and the radio will heat up more--so high performance--sacrificing SOME reliability.
Then there is right in the middle--a 3 ton load (6 ohms). The motor makes very reliable power to move the heavier load, the fuel economy is fair and the truck can run all day, have lots of "passing power, and hill climbing power" at hand. This middle ground doesnt strain the electrical as much as the 5 ton (4 ohm) load, the radio stays cooler, but there are more watts available to make the speakers play louder--avery happy medium between performance and reliability.
If you think of the ohms as a load--it does get easy. For those who want to take it one step further--on a speaker, the ohms are non-linear---just like a horsepower curve, a 100hp motor is not 100 HP at all RPM's. The ohms that he speaker shows the amp (radio in this case) changes radically depending on the frequency it is playing.
In the case of HOGTUNES, the ohms "swing" as low as 4.5 ohms, and as high as 25 ohms, but I still rate them at 5.75 (aka 6.0) ohms To go one step further--as the speaker heats up, the load naturally gets higher (even easier for the radio to "move" so everything becomes even MORE reliable).
I hope the analagy isnt too wacko to understand, but it really should help people get beyond the mystery of OHMS.
PEZ
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Need the bass. Ordered mine yesterday. Thanks PEZ for the analogy.
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Got my Hogtune speakers in today. Went out into the garage to put them on my scoot and my scoot wasn't there! Opps, forgot it hasn't made it here yet so I placed speakers on the "To Do" list along with the other $5,000 in accessories.
If my bike doesn't get here soon I'm going to run out of money and won't be able to buy it whan it finally does arrive! Has anyone tried hanging big dice from your rearview mirrors yet? [smiley=nixweiss.gif] Just wondering.
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Got my Hogtune speakers in today. Went out into the garage to put them on my scoot and my scoot wasn't there! Opps, forgot it hasn't made it here yet so I placed speakers on the "To Do" list along with the other $5,000 in accessories.
If my bike doesn't get here soon I'm going to run out of money and won't be able to buy it whan it finally does arrive! Has anyone tried hanging big dice from your rearview mirrors yet? [smiley=nixweiss.gif] Just wondering.
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Thanks for the explaination on ohms its clear to me now.
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I think I got the ohms thing too..something about a 100hp 5 ton truck in my fairing that is warm and reliable [smiley=7.gif]
But really thanks for the explanation.
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I think I got the ohms thing too..something about a 100hp 5 ton truck in my fairing that is warm and reliable [smiley=7.gif]
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but do ohms = horsepower?
Can anyone get Hubbard in on this? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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Ok, wife just beat me up for not staying with the topic.
I orders a pair of the Hog Tunes from PEZ and they sound GREAT [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
They sounded sooooo good especially in sixth gear, just purring down the road, and then I got to thinking, and that almost always hurts. I thought I couldn't be the only one having all this fun, gotta include Mrs.We so I ordered a second pair. This S$!t is dangerous, get a nice bike, gotta get the wife one, like the speakers, gotta get the wife some... wait till you see us order dinner, we are one for one, always the same.
Now let's talk about customer service as it pertains to those in business in The Great White North, eh. PEZ called me up on a Sunday (thought it was my brother with that Canadian "Hey there" ringing through the phone) to make sure he had my order right. Knowing he had sent me a pair earlier, he wanted to make sure I wanted another front set and not a rear set. Then the speakers were here in two days. Are you still wondering if PEZ is the guy to go to?
Chef recommends -- Hog Tunes [smiley=chef.gif]
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Ordered mine today. OK I'am a follower again. Shocks and now speakers. What next Rhineharts [smiley=shifty.gif]
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I am going to wait until the Smoky Mt. meet and listen to the hog tunes before I spend any more on speakers.
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Got my Hogtunes a couple days ago. Bought 3 pair, two for my Ultra, and a pair for the SEEG. I put 'em in the Ultra last night and what a difference. I can actually use the base and treble. I ran the volume all the way up with no distortion. Great sound. Road test will have to wait 'til spring, but I'm thoroughly pleased. Had to use the dremel to relieve a little material on the mounting block on fronts. I highly recommend these and Pez was great about following up to make sure I got them ok and offered assistance if I needed.
On to the SEEG now.
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Got Hogtunes today but the same old song. When it warms up outside I'll make it to the garage to install them. First impresion is, if they sound as good as they look we made a good buy.
[smiley=oops.gif] should I of taken a picture
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Also got my hogtunes a couple of days ago. Yes they look very well built, anxious to install them too as soon as it thaws out up here in wisconsin. [smiley=beerchug.gif]
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Hogtunes
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Hogtunes 2
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Made in WHERE?!!? [smiley=shocked2.gif]
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The question I have on the HogTunes...any difference over stock at speed?
elvis
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Like everything else these days Designed in north america and made in china
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Installed the pair of Hogtunes I'd gotten for the red bike today. Got to admit right off the bat that for many years my ears haven't been good enough to hear the differences that audiophiles talk about when they listen to "good speakers." So I wouldn't hear the difference between a tweeter's worth of treble and a double dose of gamma to make your ears light up at night. I just know if it sounds good to me.
The original speakers played in the garage just fine. So my litmus test wasn't anything fancy, it was just real world; did they make the radio more useful on the road. The stock speakers with the stock pipes were good to 90mph or so. The stock speakers with the E Series mufflers were hearable to 70-75 and intellegible to 55-60 (a little more if you alread knew the words to the song).
After putting the speakers in this afternoon for some stupid reason I just had to try them. So 39 degrees outside in a drizzling rain Mr. Nutjob is out playing with his speakers. Now have recognizable audio to as fast as I was willing to go today and intelligible lyrics (mostly) to at least 70-75. That's a real improvement. It's not a fancy measurement or scale by any means. But it's good enough for me.
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That's good enuff for me too, TwoLane. Thanks.
elvis
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That's good enuff for me too, TwoLane.
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You guys are toooo funny. After a very long day of travelling my wife and I were literally laughing out loud at your responses!
I may have said this before.... I know of no one pickier than me abou tht e parts thats get put on my own bike. The fact that you guys put our products on your own bikes is a great compliment! Glad you are enjoying them--and thanks for the kind words.
Cheers--PEZ
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Thank yew...uh, thank yew very much...
elvis
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OK the day has come to go play and install before the NASCAR race.
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Just an observation [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
Changed out the stock short windshield on the SEEG to the 9.5" one.
Was amazed how much better the radio sounded. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Just an observation [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
Changed out the stock short windshield on the SEEG to the 9.5" one.
Was amazed how much better the radio sounded. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Windsheild all ready taken care of. Just install one speaker so I could try to hear the differents. My 50 year old ears ( already have the glasses ) could hear the bass and terble so much better. So all that mean so far is when I'am posing at a stop light, I'll be heard a lot clearer now. [smiley=lolk.gif]
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Well, I got the MP3 player coming, so I guess I better do these, too, while I'm in there. This time, looks like I'm following you, John.
By the way, the difference in the magnet size is incredible!
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Brian, I guess it down to changing front fork oil and having the engine done. When I'am in D.C. for rolling thunder thinking of stopping at http://www.zippersperformance.com/default.asp for them to work there magic with my bike. Can't believe what we have coming this year to the Valley.
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LOL, John. Remember when you said this?
First time I heard someone say that. I'am always playing my XM radio and it's loud and clear.
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Well, I got the MP3 player coming, so I guess I better do these, too, while I'm in there.
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Hope I'm just remembering incorrectly.
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Say, Pez, are going to have a booth selling the HogTunes at Daytona?
elvis
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Not this year! I will be dealing with Drag Specialties in April, so I may share space in their booth's next year.
PEZ
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I took the plunge and bought the Polk db525 speakers ($80 at circuit city)and installed on Friday night. Went for about a 50 mile ride on Saturday to test them out, my initial reaction is I am not overly impressed. I will be ordering a new Memphis 50X2@4ohm watt power amp ($150) this week, pictures will follow and a verdict. Plan to mount it inside the fairing.
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I took the plunge and bought the Polk db525 speakers ($80 at circuit city)and installed on Friday night. Went for about a 50 mile ride on Saturday to test them out, my initial reaction is I am not overly impressed. I will be ordering a new Memphis 50X2@4ohm watt power amp this week, pictures will follow and a verdict. Plan to mount it inside the fairing.
Lookin forward to that review.
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2lane, first your eyes and now your memory.
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Got a message from Hale's H-D that the MP3 player shipped today. I'll let you know what the brackets look like. Just ordered Hogtunes tonight, so the race is on to see which one gets here first. I think I know what I'll be doing next weekend. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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PEZ... installed the Hog Tunes speakers. They are what you said. Great crisp sound right up to full volume, no crackle or distortion, some what more base and a better cleaner sound. Thanks.
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Im happy you guys are enjoying them. It wasnt till Gezzer told me to check this site out that I realized how many SE's were getting Hogtunes speakers!
Thanks for everyone support!
Cheers--PEZ www.hogtunes.com
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Im happy you guys are enjoying them.
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Im happy you guys are enjoying them.
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OMG!
TwoLane's been doing audio test at 80+
And I think he has sold me on the Hogtunes. Well him and Mr. WeCVO
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With all these positive comments on the Hogtune speakers how can I not by a pair now! Now if I can find the link to the discount site I will order a set. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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With all these positive comments on the Hogtune speakers how can I not by a pair now! Now if I can find the link to the discount site I will order a set. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
How about right here.
http://www.hogtunes.com/membersdealpage.htm
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Thanks MFG! I just ordered a pair. [smiley=bigok.gif]
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After starting this thread over 6 months ago I now have enough info. Seems that Hogtunes is the answer. I'll be ordering mine today. Thanks everyone for the info / opinions...
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I took the plunge and bought the Polk db525 speakers ($80 at circuit city)and installed on Friday night. Went for about a 50 mile ride on Saturday to test them out, my initial reaction is I am not overly impressed. I will be ordering a new Memphis 50X2@4ohm watt power amp ($150) this week, pictures will follow and a verdict. Plan to mount it inside the fairing.
The memphis amp I purchased will not fit, looking for alternatives. Any helpful info would be appreciated. I have about 8"x8"x2" of room!!!
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Ol Fender
What is it your unhappy with?
PEZ
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Hello O' Fender......I just happen to have bought the same speakers you did and the sound was o.k in the garage but out on the road it was kind of disappointing. I was thinking about putting a bigger amp in when I came across your post and seen you had a fit problem. I was trying to find a factory amp that plug into the radio at 80 watts or maybe hard wiring one in myself, But size is a issue for sure. I was thinking about adding that resistor to up the ohms though.....I did find something cool that plays Mp3 music in the cassette deck and got it for like 16 bucks as a open box but it was new, I bought three and they all worked.....It's called digisette and I found it on ebay, They use to sell new for big bucks, Model number AR496.....I was impressed with the sound and the player actually got louder with this thing plugged in.......It also had a built in EQ with five settings. Much better sound then the raido player for sure....I just need to get a bigger memory flash card so I can get like six Cd's on it........Nice postings on this site and hope to read more.......Flhtcui rider here/me
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Ol Fender
What is it your unhappy with?
PEZ
I do alot of riding at 80MPH (sometimes a little faster) the music disappears at about 70-75MPH and I have the radio @ 95% volume (at 100% distorts badly). So I believe a really efficient amp is the answer. I did order a different Memphis amp, I called the manufacturer this time to verify the dimensions. They were really helpful and apologized for the incorrect dimensions advertised for the previous purchase. hopefully I will have better luck (the new purchase is 150 watt amp [75x2]) much closer to what the factory radio offered!!! I will keep you posted [smiley=6.gif]
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I am so pleased with the sound system I find it clear and audiable even at speed.
It was neither on my BMW
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I emailed polk about the 4 ohm differance with the Harley 8 ohm and this is what they said.
Ed,
The db525 speakers will work fine with the factory Harley head unit.
The industry standard for car speakers is 4 Ohms. Just be careful not to
drive the internal amplifier into clipping and distortion . It is the
clipping and distortion from a amplifier being overdriven that causes
speakers to fail.
Thanks,
Kim
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I am so pleased with the sound system I find it clear and audiable even at speed.
It was neither on my BMW
Yo Big D,
Did you mean the stock SEEG system or did you upgrade the speakers to HogTunes?
elvis
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My Hogtunes arrived today and wow, these things wreek of quality! If they sound half as good as you guys say they do, I will be one happy camper. Plus, a 20 year warranty and all for $107.45 delivered. These things are a no-brainer!
Another nice thing is they utilize the factory terminals. No cutting/soldering/splicing. Nice product! [smiley=beerchug.gif]
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103, your mentioning the terminals reminded me of something. Be sure and do more than just quickly plugging the spade connectors back on. Actually give them a feel. On mine the + connector on each side needed to be crimped back down. Would have been way loose if I'd just stuck it on quickly and not paid any attention.
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103, your mentioning the terminals reminded me of something.
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Mr., Check out the portion of the service manual that DavidB posted here (http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=eg_gen;action=display;num=1091963473;start=54#54). It's pretty easy surgery to get inside the fairing. 2land also posted some good tips about keeping track of the hardware as you remove the screws.
Hope that help.
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Just ordered two sets of speakers from hog tunes.This site is just loaded with Great Info. [smiley=laugh.gif]
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I got to ride my bike today for only about 50 miles and use said HogTune speakers. Awesome. Since my bike is virtually new, I never really got to get used to the stock, but the new speakers are a considerable noticable improvement. They sound Tony the Tiger "GGGRRRREEEEAAAAAAATE!" Thanks Pez for making them, Thanks Mr WeCVO for thinking I needed them and for ordering them and getting them put on my bike. These are absolutely awesome speakers. I hope the wrencher who put my speakers on did a better job then it sounds like they did for Mr We, but then....... I might just have to learn how to do somethings. Guess what I did today... after riding 50 miles, don't know my way aroung so that is kinda of funny all in itself, found my way back home and put on the air deflector kit I just picked up. Now, I have shared before, I do not know my way around them thar wrenches..... but next to the peel and stick chrome things for the inner fairing, I could not probably have picked an easier install. I needed them to stick military stickers to so I can take my bike on a military base next week. Not like waiting till the last minute eh? HOG TUNES, HOG TUNES, All the way! {smiley waving orange and black pom poms, kicking high in air.... (text version of emoticon)} [smiley=laugh.gif]
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About half the bikes Ive done installs on have had at least one broken fairing mount. Ive found that HD dealers know this is an issue, and they usualy have the replacememnts in stock--here in Toronto anyways.
Ride safe all! Spring is almost here
Cheers--PEZ
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About half the bikes Ive done installs on have had at least one broken fairing mount. Ive found that HD dealers know this is an issue, and they usualy have the replacememnts in stock--here in Toronto anyways.
Ride safe all! Spring is almost here
Cheers--PEZ
Yeah Yeah Spring is almost here, actually, even though the weather man is calling for wintry mix for our area tomorrow, I think it is actually here in our area. Daffodils have their little heads almost open everywhere. Love this time of year. Now Pez, I really am want to visit the statement you just made about broken fairing mounts. That HD know about the problem. See; http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=cvo_gen;action=display;num=1105715979;start=41#41
I just experienced a very painful exchange when I took my bike in for it's very first service and a couple of mod installs and a dyno and the service manager called me to say that when taking bike off the dyno my fairing, which earlier had no defects, was showing loss of paint and had broken fairing posts. I am now guessing these posts are what you are referring to as mounts. When my fairing was sent to the HD Customer Service, they did not step up to the plate to say that peeling paint is a known problem and broken posts are also known. They just said I'd been in an accident, that I know I had not in my meager five days of riding been in. Now the dealership has my peeling paint fairing on sale on ebay, no mention of broken mounts.
Another "Makes you go MMMMMM!"
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Towlanerider, Not mentioning the broken mounts, but PEZ says that this is 50% common on bikes he does installs on, and that the HD Shops have the replacement parts in stock as it is so common in the Toronto area, why would they not just simply replace the broken mounts. They really cannot be that hard to replace can they?
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Towlanerider, Not mentioning the broken mounts, but PEZ says that this is 50% common on bikes he does installs on, and that the HD Shops have the replacement parts in stock as it is so common in the Toronto area, why would they not just simply replace the broken mounts. They really cannot be that hard to replace can they?
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Damn Canadians! [smiley=beerchug.gif]
Its starting to warm up enough here so we dont have to put our beer in the fridge so it wont freeze!
PEZ!
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Just a note to say that the HogTunes ROCK! Got 'em installed today and much better sound than the 'premium' HD speakers we have stock. Great job, Pez.
elvis
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Got mine ordered the other night. Pez says they'll be on the Fed Ex truck come Monday. I blew out my right speaker this past weekend, so these are coming right on time!
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JCZ
I just emailed you tracking info for Mondays truck
OL Fender--You get that amp on yet? How does it work?
Please let us know eh?
Cheers--PEZ www.hogtunes.com
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JCZ
I just emailed you tracking info for Mondays truck
OL Fender--You get that amp on yet? How does it work?
Please let us know eh?
Cheers--PEZ www.hogtunes.com
I'm havin' problems fittin' it in the fairing however I am determined to make it work. All I can say so far is I hooked up the amp in the garage it sounded so good and clean and loud it was the encouragement I needed to make it fit. Where I am at right now is, I purchased some 1/8" plexiglass and am making a new housing for the amp. It currently measures 6-1/2" X 11-1/2" X 2" when I am done it will measure 5-1/2" X 10-1/2" X 1-1/2"
and the one that matters is the 1-1/2" height I will be able to fit it under the gauges and "get R done"!!!. I know the routine pictures will follow upon completion, we had some ridin' weather this weekend so I had to put it back together temporarily hopefully I will find some time this week to assemble the housing!! [smiley=beerchug.gif]
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When I first tried the HogTunes speakers I said that they were better than the factory speakers but only in that they did produce a little more bass. Since that time I have had the opportunity to put some miles on the bike and where the HogTunes really shine is on the road at speed. Especially since I put the Rineharts on, the speakers have really impressed me by being able to play loud enough to hear at high speeds over the exhaust and wind noise and to do it without noticable distortion. Thumbs up Pez !
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RR Steve
I had lots of positive feedback on HOGTUNES, but yours made it all worth while!! Your observation is exactly what I set out to do when the concept of Hogtunes started. Theres some guy on Harley Tech talk saying he has compared polks to Hogtunes, and that mine were nothing special, and the Polks were the way to go. I would agree that at stand still the Polks may infact sound better, but at speed--NO FRICKEN WAY!
Car audio companies are taking the mid range out--leaving lots of bass, and lots of treble. Youngsters confusing rap with actual music are acustomed to this sound--this is a major reason car speakers do not work on a bike---WELL that is. All of the sound where our ears are most sensitive is taken away---how the hell does that work with Bubs at 90?
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I'm sold...but dam I am getting tired of opening the fairing...check that, I am tired of f'in with the two lower screws near the forks!
/Bill
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Hey Bill / WFP
I'm sold also.
And haven't opened the fairing the first time.
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The lower right screw is a B'ch...always wants to strip itseld...the rigid brake line affects clearance...I am seriously considering changing to a hex screw to use a socket instead of torx.
/Bill
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I'm sold...but dam I am getting tired of opening the fairing...check that, I am tired of f'in with the two lower screws near the forks!
/Bill
FWIW, whenever messing with those two lower screws I always hold the end of an ignition magnet (like we used to use when we had points and condensor and had to fish out those little screws) up against the screw as it backs out. I nearly alwayws drop one of those little buggers if I'm not catching it with a magnet. And darned if I knew where they go sometimes.
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I just ordered a set of Hogtunes speakers. I ride in the country or on the freeway 99% of the time and always have the radio cranked up loud. With the addition of the Freedom pipes, I think the Hogtunes were needed.
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Loose
Please check your email!!---(and thanks eh!)
PEZ
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FWIW, whenever messing with those two lower screws I always hold the end of an ignition magnet (like we used to use when we had points and condensor and had to fish out those little screws) up against the screw as it backs out. I nearly alwayws drop one of those little buggers if I'm not catching it with a magnet. And darned if I knew where they go sometimes.
I am still missing a 7/32 socket from the oil temp gauge install last week...I looked everywhere except the oil cooler cover...that is next.
/Bill
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Not this year! I will be dealing with Drag Specialties in April, so I may share space in their booth's next year.
PEZ
Hey Pez
Will you be in Myrtle Beach or Biketoberfest?
Or what events are you planning to come to?
Or are you coming at all?
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Order placed...not looking forward to those two lower screws again!
/Bill
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I think that must be my problem, after 700+ miles I think the connection must have rattled loose a bit and now I get a bit of snap crackle and pop.
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OK, I know I'm gonna get a lot of $h!t for this but, I had a dead everything and finally traced it to the positive terminal on the battery. Now that I tightened that up, the stereo werks great again! [smiley=bigok.gif] (Now we know which connection rattled loose.)
Moral of the story, keep the chef away from them thar wrenches! [smiley=drink.gif]
Mr. We (please accept pre-apology now); that's what you get for working on a Harley with wooden spoons and other kitchen utensils. You're supposed to chase Mrs We around the kitchen with those things when she's been a bad girl; not work on the bike !
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103, your mentioning the terminals reminded me of something.
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I have finished building the new amp case, hopefully tommorrow night I will install it
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Here is the original amp, the picture is low quaility (taken with my cell phone)
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side comparison of the old and new I will be checking it for heat I have some fans to mount on the case if need be...
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WOW..Huge! Are you adding a hood scoop to your fairing for the additional cooling? [smiley=laugh.gif]
/Bill
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Does anyone think there is valu in the following idea:
Mount an amp on the underside of the tourpac to power a pair of rear peakers in pods...hogtune speakers of course!
Would you change out the head unit or just drive the output through the front speaker connections? What other options/opinions can you offer?
I still have not seen the "Perfect" head unit out there for me...even the marine units are left wanting.
Just thinking about future a project...
/Bill
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WFP
Actually have an amp mounted under the tour pak on my 03 Classic.
It's a night and day difference between the sound from the 03 and the sound from the 05 SEEG.
Only problem is that it's not detachable. I'm sure something could be worked out on that but "not by me".
I will take pictures this evening and post!
Chip
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Does anyone think there is valu in the following idea:
Mount an amp on the underside of the tourpac to power a pair of rear peakers in pods...hogtune speakers of course!
Would you change out the head unit or just drive the output through the front speaker connections?
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Thanks JCZ!
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WFP
Here's two pics of the Harley Amp under the 03 tour pak
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pic # 2 of amp under tour pak
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JCZ wrote that you couldn't have another amp in line with the existing radio.
If that is true then the 03 radio's are different from the 05 radio's cause as you can see there is a Harley Amp mounted under my tour pak on the 03.
The picture is not real clear but I can get the part # if anyone wants it.
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JCZ wrote that you couldn't have another amp in line with the existing radio.
If that is true then the 03 radio's are different from the 05 radio's cause as you can see there is a Harley Amp mounted under my tour pak on the 03.
The picture is not real clear but I can get the part # if anyone wants it.
SEEG radios are different than regular Electra Glide Classic/Ultra Classic radios and already have a high-output amplifier which is why you CANNOT HAVE ANOTHER AMP IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING RADIO like JC said.
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SEEG radios are different than regular Electra Glide Classic/Ultra Classic radios and already have a high-output amplifier which is why you CANNOT HAVE ANOTHER AMP IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING RADIO like JC said.
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103T
Was looking at the picture of your radio label.
Just have to wonder if anything electronic is "Made in America", instead of just assembled here?
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Whoa, I'm calm. Sorry if the caps sounded like I was screaming. You're right, the enhanced sound system and the four speakers on your '03 have the SEEG system's butt kicked. But the fact is, you can't add that amp (or even the rear speakers) to the radio on the SEEGs and I was concerned your post would lead someone to think you could.
I got the Hogtunes, too, but even with those, I'm pretty sure you will still enjoy listening to the system on your '03 better.
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Brian, thanks for your response!
I have had 7 Dressers in my life and I enjoy the SEEG better than any of the other 6.
I have ridden the 03 Classic only once since getting the SEEG in January.
Even with a better sound system on the 03 "NOTHING" beats the sound of that 103 motor when it's cranking!
I apologize if it appeared I was leading anyone to think you could add an amp to a SEEG. If ignorance of the facts is BLISS then I'm one Blissful man. That's why I love this site sooooo much. Have a good evening!
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Hey, no sweat! Sometimes it's easy (at least for me) to misunderstand the "jist" of a given post. Re-reading my own post, I probably made a bigger deal out of it than I should have. [smiley=oops.gif]
Cheers! [smiley=drink.gif]
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JCZ wrote that you couldn't have another amp in line with the existing radio.
If that is true then the 03 radio's are different from the 05 radio's cause as you can see there is a Harley Amp mounted under my tour pak on the 03.
The picture is not real clear but I can get the part # if anyone wants it.
I'm sorry guys.
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And now, back to the topic............
I got my HOG TUNES put in tonight! Like all of you have said, hell of a difference in clarity and I think volume, too.
I had to tweak the flanges just a bit, to get them to fit in the cradle that they sit in and still be able to get the screw holes to line up. Am I the only one that had that issue? Also, each of my speakers had one of the shorter screws missing from the inside bottom corner on each speaker. Did you guys have four screws each in your speakers?
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I had to tweak the flanges just a bit, to get them to fit in the cradle that they sit in and still be able to get the screw holes to line up.
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On Jan 5,2004, 10:10pm JCZ wrote: O.K. just got an email direct from HD Headquarters. Now this was an email sent to a friend from the "sound" people and it might make more sense to somebody who understands this stuff, so I'll type it verbatum.....
It's technically possible to do what he wants (add rear speakers), but there's no actual 'canned' solution.
Inside the radio, the high power amplifier operates in parallel with the front speaker amps. (The radio is the 2-channel classic with the ESS amplifier added). The base radio amp is turned on so that someone could potentially add rear speakers.
There are a few issues with actually adding the rear speakersharness:
-A new harness would need to be developed to take the speaker output from the radio to the added rear speakers.
-Fade control: There would be no fade control (since you are essentially using four front speakers).
-Amp level: The rear speakers would have power output at the base radio level, (unless you added a two channel ESS rear speaker kit.)
If you pop the fairing off you will see two spade terminals wire tied to the harness near each speaker. You will need to run these out to rear speakers with the above caveats."
Any feedback from you guys? I think I actuallly understand it better having re-read it several times in order to type it word for word. It's coming to me s-l-o-w-l-y! lol
I am new here. But from reading this post I take it that adding a HD ultra style rear speaker kit, and using the other set of speaker wires under the fairing that this is possible. I have one and tested it briefly and it seems to work.
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Thanks Shortychog for the correction and welcome to the board. I stand to be corrected. I guess I should have clarified that it's not possible to add rear speakers and have true quad stereo sound. You can do it without the "fade" control (front to rear seperation).
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I was just looking at those outputs (spade connectors) last night wondering what they were.
What is a two speaker ESS kit?
/Bill
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Wait, so there IS a 4-channel amp AND they take the output of two of those channels and use the 2-channel ESS to further amplify the output?
So if you add another 2-channel ESS you will get 4 speakers with the same power?
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I was just looking at those outputs (spade connectors) last night wondering what they were.
What is a two speaker ESS kit?
/Bill
WFP somewhere in the early pages Radio Sound told us that ESS stands for Enhanced Sound System.
Here is a link to the thread where we beat this issue to death.
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I installed the Hog tune speaker's today,they sound great!!! What a improvement over the stock speaker's.Great product Pez!!! [smiley=bigok.gif]
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Hey PezSez, Do you go to Mackie HD in Oshawa? Was up there on Business last Dec. Nice store.
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Hey Guys
Havent ben around lately--been under the weather for almost 2 weeks--just back to work properly now.
Mackies I have heard is a nice place--Im on the other side--about 2 minutes from Jacox.
Will this thread ever die??? (NEVER!)
Cheers all---PEZ
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Hey Guys
Will this thread ever die??? (NEVER!)
Not as long as you keep selling those speakers [smiley=laugh.gif] I read on another web site that you were back ordered on them. You must be selling a fortune of them.
Pez I got the second set (all wrapped in bubble wrap) and the package again was all beat up however, these seem to be doing fine. They are so much clearer and louder than the stock that I'd say it's remarkable. The best bang for the buck that I've put on that bike!
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Got 'em on my '03 Ultra and my '05 SEEG. Absolutely great. No distortion whatsoever. Put the MP3 on and they sound great over the freedom pipes. My Ultra has V&H that are louder and still the sound is great. I'd advise anyone and everyone to swap these out.
JRW
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Replacing the speakers do not solve a problem with sound quality. If the head unit, (stereo) is clipping, no matter what speakers you put in, the distortion will remain. If the factory speakers do not have the power handling capability of the amp output, then adding better speakers will help. Usually the speakers are matched to the head unit. I have not seen a speaker rating on the SEEG so I can't say for sure. The simple fix is to find a small lightweight amp that adds power to your stereo without having to crank it up all the way to hear it. This keeps you out of the distortion range of the stereo, and gives you cleaner sound.
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Hey Pez,
I been waiting awhile to be able to give you a thumbs up or down with these hogtune speakers. While waiting on my bananna I plumbed the hog tunes into my headset I use to do yard work. I gave them a thumbs up! Now that I have my Lil Bananna I had a chance to check them out and wanted to say " Thank ya.....Thank Ya very much!!!!
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I plumbed the hog tunes into my headset I use to do yard work.
You did WHAT ?
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While waiting on my bananna I plumbed the hog tunes into my headset I use to do yard work.
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Oh yeah, there's GOTTA be pics of some kind of JR Cyborg Lawnmower Hogtunes thing out there clipping away at the grass.
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on Today at 12:06am, J.Rud wrote:
I plumbed the hog tunes into my headset I use to do yard work.
You did WHAT ?
Hmmmmmmmmmm
not sure if he wasn't doing more than just clipping that grass! [smiley=shocked2.gif]
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Replacing the speakers do not solve a problem with sound quality.
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JRud, I like your style!
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Sony will be calling you soon for your headset design!!!
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Ya know if you mount those speakers into some Tupperware .........
Redneck Headphones?
Ya might be onto something..
I ordered mine last week. They should be here Friday, can't wait!!!
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Slick. Being a fellow banana monkey, I notice the color of the player and cord were carefully selected as well. Taste is what every good customizer needs. [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] God bless ya JR. JP
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TURN IT UP ^ A LITTLE - CAN;T HEAR YA
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I got my Hogtunes today, Install was a breeze, cranked it up and WOW!!! Big improvement!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Thanks PEZ! you've got another happy customer!
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I got my Hogtunes today, Install was a breeze, cranked it up and WOW!!! Big improvement!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Thanks PEZ! you've got another happy customer!
Just in time for our trip to Reno tomorrow! Looking forward to it Jim! You're gonna love those Hog Tunes on the road, too!
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Just in time for our trip to Reno tomorrow!
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My improvements were short lived [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]. About an hour into the ride to meet with JC
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WFP was describing his problems with them while we were all back east.
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I remember him saying three!
That's why he is so experienced with taking off that fairing!
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OK, yes I am on my third set of Hogtunes.
Set one, left speaker would cut out. Power off the unit a while, then turn it on and the speaker might work. Moved it to the right side, still a problem. Pez sent new set, went to the UPS store to send the old set back. Second set failed on the way home, again one speaker. Received set 3 two days later. Installed set three, still have set two (one good, one bad). Just after leaving for the Valley, lost both speakers on the way to York.
Stock speakers were never a problem, may try Polk Momo with a seperate crossover.
I do believe that my Head Unit may be a problem, but since the stock speakers work, HD won't touch it.
/Bill
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You know Bill
I hate to say this but I was ready to buy the Hogtunes but am now sitting on the fence.
And it's giving me a wedgy!
I just don't want to take (based on your experience) that fairing off but one time.
And also,,, great #s on the SEEG!
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OK, yes I am on my third set of Hogtunes.
Set one, left speaker would cut out.
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That's too bad.
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Yep I caught the loose crip straight away (I read it in a thread before I had mine). I tighted em up before I installed the speakers. I took them out today and put the stockers back in. Unless I can get some assurance that these things will last I'm going to ask for a refund. Theres nothing worse than having something break out on the road. I want a reliable set of speakers. An inferior stock set is better than a set that quits workin on the road!!!
So what fried on yours?
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So what fried on yours?
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You guys may or may not remember, but right after I got my first set, they went out when AK and I rode up to Yosemite. I rode all the way home with nothing! I was pizzed!
Pez sent me another set and I pulled the fairing again (that was really no big deal, once I'd done it the first time) and put the second set in. I can say that I've had them for a few weeks now and I blast them all the time (cause I'm getting old and hard of hearing).....ask HD Dude. Up in Reno this weekend, the poor guy had to be subjected to whatever I was playing, at the lights, side by side riding, etc.
Anyway, my point.......even going through all those hassels, these speakers are well worth all that (once you get a good set). Like I said before......the best $100 bill that I ever spent on this bike! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Just FYI, mostly for hd-dude's sake since he sounds like he'll be contacting him soon, I saw this posted by PEZ over on the Delphi Harley Electra Glide Garage site (sorry, naitram, I'll never go there again, lol!):
"My family and I will be travelling to Western Canada on Sat the 14th to attend a family funeral, and will not resume shiping till were back on the 24th. By then the rears should be here for you Ultra guys
"We will be checking emails, and answering them as usual, we just cannot ship."
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Just FYI, mostly for hd-dude's sake since he sounds like he'll be contacting him soon, I saw this posted by PEZ over on the Delphi Harley Electra Glide Garage site (sorry, naitram, I'll never go there again, lol!):
"My family and I will be travelling to Western Canada on Sat the 14th to attend a family funeral, and will not resume shiping till were back on the 24th. By then the rears should be here for you Ultra guys
"We will be checking emails, and answering them as usual, we just cannot ship."
Thanks for the info 103; looks like it'll be a while before I get my replacements [smiley=mean.gif]
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I thought I would share the response from Hogtunes on my speaker problem:
"On about 2% of our customers bikes, we have had a similar issue that was NOT due
to packaging. It is our intention to make this right for you, and on behalf of
HOGTUNES, apologize for this. We have been doing testing which is now been
signed off, so we feel we can eliminate this 2% issue.
Due to a death in my family, we are closed till this coming Monday. Upon our
return from Western Canada, we can ship a set to you at no charge, or if you
would rather, we will offer you a full refund.
The speakers with the mods are about 60 days away. Normally we would ship
replacements without question, but this family situation came very quickly.
Please reply to us with your decision, and we will make it happen. Hope to hear
from you soon---and sorry again
PEZ"
I have not yet decided to get a replacement set from them now or wait for the modified set 60 days away [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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I have not yet decided to get a replacement set from them now or wait for the modified set 60 days away [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
If it means that's the last time you're in the fairing on account of speakers, I think I would wait.
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What's "modified" about them?
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If it means that's the last time you're in the fairing on account of speakers, I think I would wait.
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Here's more info on the speaker fix from PEZ....
>
> I recently got 3 upgrade speakers. I sent one pair to a engineer friend who
> works at a large US based MC manufacturer that started in 1903!!!He has a
> SEEG
> with Rineharts, and uses ear plugs so they dont make his teeth rattle. In
> order
> to hear the speakers, they are CRANKED while he rides long distances on the
> interstate. He is now testing 2 of the 3. The 3rd one--I put through hell. I
> had the speaker hot enough to burn and blister my thumb. I ran it hard as I
> knew how and literally distored the plastic housing that holds the tweeter
> in
> place. I did this by wrapping the speaker in an electric blanket so it would
> stew in its own heat for 1 hour at very high volume with lots of bass boost.
>
> I expect to know a better idea of actual delivery this week. What I propose
> is
> as soon as I know a delivery date, if you wish to wait, I will air a set to
> you
> on my dime, or we can do a refund, and then I email you when the new ones
> are
> in--what ever works for you.
>
> I wish to assure you this is a minor situation with only a handful of
> customers.
> I feel many other vendors would hide something like this. In the interest of
> keeping a good persona online, Im taking it in the chin like a man and doing
> what it takes to keep you few happy--hope you understand.
>
> BTW--I still do not mind sending a replacement pair of the current ones if
> you
> like--please let me know
>
> Cheers--PEZ
Hey There!
I got word the upgrades will be done this weekend. I have given the go ahead to
air a bunch over. I will have a date hopefully today when I will have them. It
will not be too long, and if it is OK would like to send you a pair of those.
I will automatically send upgrades to guys with SEEG's since they have the most
powerful radio.
The normal radios have barely caused any greif at all
Cheers---PEZ
This is one top notch business man. He truly cares about his customers and doing the right thing for them!!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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I will automatically send upgrades to guys with SEEG's since they have the
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Dude, am I reading that correctly?
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Dude, am I reading that correctly? Is PEZ saying that all of us with Hogtunes in the SEEGs are getting a new set of speakers?
Pez? Really?
I still have not told PEZ about my third set problems...I will watch for packages though!
/Bill
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Dude, am I reading that correctly?
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That's what his email stated. I would suggest contacting him yourselfs if you have or suspect to have problems. I'm not sure how many sets he has coming in. He is truly concerned about the problem and want to do right by all of his customers.
That's wonderful if he's being that proactive. Wonderful treatment notwithstanding though, I don't really want to yank my functioning speakers and be without during even a cross-ship. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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here is what I got from PEZ today:
Michael
I am away, and cannot access all the sites I normally check. I believe a
customer has innocently posted something and it has been taken WAY out of
context.
A VERY small percentage of people have had an issue--and unlike most vendors
have shared it freely so people know it is our intention to have the best
products possible. I know it is not their fault, but I believe the issue arises
from playing the speakers way too loud for a long time. In the testing I did on
the current product, I felt the speakers would play so loud for soooo long, it
would cause discomfort to the listener and cause them to turn it down. When I
say the product is upgraded, it is to try to eliminate this 2%, which as you
know is a small amount.
In NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM do I believe we are selling product I know to be
defective. I would put all my stock in the landfill before I damaged the
companies reputation.
Your speakers left as promised. I would strongly suggest you run those, as I do
not believe you will have an issue. I do have a few pairs Im airing over for
guys who have had an issue, to give them as a replacement. The mod is so small
it isnt funny---all it is is a little more solder at a potentially weak spot in
the inerts of the speaker. For those who "need" to have them that loud, these
upgrades should do the trick, as we played them into full distortion for 8
hours with no failure---thats 6 speakers for 8 hours with no failure.
Ultimately we will do what you want. If I thought there was an issue, I would
stop taking orders all together--If you would like to comment, please email me
back
I have been away as my mother passed away last Thursday, so I have been dealing
with family in Western Canada. Maybe I could bother you to let the guys on
FLHRSEI know this, and that I will be back Monday. As a young company and a
straight shooter--we will always do the right thing!
Cheers----Hope to hear from you soon
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From some of the posts I am reading, it sounds much like the issues I used to deal with in the Audio store I once had. If the cone of the speaker is rigid or feels like it is rubbing when you push it in, the voice coil is indeed fried. This can occur because the stock head unit (radio) is being maxed out when you ride by turning up the volume so you can hear it. The amp then is starting to "clip" (distort) causing the speaker to occolate (sp) and frying the coil. The same thing can occur if there is a cross connection at the speaker connection or to the head unit. This changes the impedance of the speaker, causing the same problem. With the size of the magnets on the Hogtunes, I would find it hard to believe that the head unit could over-drive them. If there is a production problem, I would expect a much higher ratio than 2% failure as one post stated. So, I guess it boils down to adding a small amp to push the power of the head unit, thus keeping you in the sweet spot at mid-volume range, or double check your installation to make sure you have not ground out a speaker. If you switch sides on your speakers and the problem reverses, good chance you blew a channel on the head unit by overloading it.
I have installed on some baggers an amp in the bottom of their bags and gotten better performance, but my preference if needed would be to put a smaller amp along with some 4/8 ohm 3 way speakers in the fairing.
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Striker, you may want to do a search on this site. The folks from Radio Sound (they made the head unit) say that you can not put an additional amplifier on this unit due to the internal amplifier built in. If you do a search, they explain why it will not work with the SEEG stereo, while it will work with an Electra Glide or Ultra Classic stereo.
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Striker, you may want to do a search on this site. The folks from Radio Sound (they made the head unit) say that you can not put an additional amplifier on this unit due to the internal amplifier built in. If you do a search, they explain why it will not work with the SEEG stereo, while it will work with an Electra Glide or Ultra Classic stereo.
JCZ,
Don't forget, you did post something about that extra pair of speaker wires in the fairing that could be used without fade control. The stock speakers are connected to wires coming for the ESS I believe. The other wires just come form the radio's stock amps.
/Bill
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JCZ,
Don't forget, you did post something about that extra pair of speaker wires in the fairing that could be used without fade control.
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That would be correct, if the unit does not have a pre-amp output, you will be limited, there is the possiblilty that the extra set of leads are not amplified leads, in which case you could bridge them through and amp. I can't say for sure what can be done till I get the unit and look at it.
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O.K. here's a link to that thread (there is some good alternative information in this thread from Gary A)......
http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=eg_gen;action=display;num=1071202027;start=0
or here is the actual email that they sent to me, back then:
Here's the response from the horses mouth..... Subject: SEEG rear speakers
Hello J.C.,
The Road Rumble 40(r) would not be compatible with the SEEG radio because
Harley-Davidson radios do not have low level RCA outputs that this amplifier
is designed to utilize.
The Amplified CD radio used on the 2004 Screaming Eagle Electra Glide
FLHTCSE is unique to this model motorcycle. The SEEG radio has 4 ohm
speakers in the fairing and an Enhanced Sound System (ESS) amplifier
contained inside the radio driving the speakers. All other stock (non SEEG)
radios use 8 ohm speakers.
The SEEG radio differs in other ways from the Ultra and Classic radios. The
outputs from the standard radio amplifiers are internally diverted from the
black radio connector to the internal ESS amplifier. This leaves the
standard speaker output wires in the interconnect harness in the fairing
with no output. As a result, rear speakers can be added but, not as easily
to the SEEG motorcycle as to other models.
To add rear speakers to a SEEG:
* Install the King Tourpak and Four Speaker ESS kit, part number 77194-02A.
* The 2004 Amplified CD SEEG radio must be replaced with a 2004 Classic
radio, Harley-Davidson part number 76164-04.
NOTE: Remove the CVO Audio harness and 15A radio amplifier fuse in the fuse
panel (harness includes a 23 pin Grey connector, speaker wires, ground wire
to left ground stud and power wire from the fuse block). This wiring harness
is no longer needed and should be removed from the motorcycle when the ESS
harness is installed.
Using the wrong speaker wires (a possibility if the CVO audio harness is not
removed) will result in a no sound condition. Locate the interconnect
harness speaker wires which were previously unused and taped out of the way.
Connect them to the newly installed ESS wiring harness per the instruction
sheet. These speaker wires are LTGN/W and W/O on the left side and LTGN/BK
and GY/R on the right side. Using these wires will route the output of the
new Classic radio to the Four Speaker ESS amplifier.
If you have any further questions, I will be happy to assist you.
Best regards,
John Smith
Senior Technical Advisor
johns@radiosound.com
Here's a link to Gary A's alternative:
To JCZ and all the other SEEG owners. I have an alternative that I have already used on my V-rod Road Rod and I will also be using soon on my '01 SERG.
I plan on doing a post on the complete project in the next week or so. Basicly you can replace your HD sounds with a Blaupunkt head unit that will play MP3 disks (about 150 songs on one CD) Have four channels of 50 watts each with balance and fader, have COMPLETE AND ENHANCED funtionality from your existing hand controls, plus add a CD changer if you really think you need more than 150 songs without having to pop in a new disk. Of course you can also add a totally hidden Sattellite tuner. Everything controls form the factory HD fingertip control levers. DVD too if you are really crazy.
You can do all this (except DVD) for less than one HD head unit..including 4 top quality speakers, head unit, Sattellite radio etc. The HD in-dash CD player costs $800!
I have to write it up and post it...next week or later this week.....if anyone is interested
http://www.levitzusa.com/files/roadrodsounds.doc
This will either help or confuse. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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I've installed my Hogtunes, love'em!, also, really appreciate the great service Pez!, Thanks for a great product!
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My SEEG came with the chopped tour pak as well as the ultra tour pak with speakers. The harness was already there and I just plugged the speakers in and had to plug an amp that was mounted to the bottom of the pak to get sound. Initially I wasn't sure where the large plug in went and just plugged in the speaker connections and didn't have any sound. Once I found the amp under the pak and plugged it in I got sound. Havn't messed with the treble and bass yet but the system sounds kind tinny. I wonder if the 04 and 05 have the same radio. How do you gents like the Dakota Antenna and is it difficult to install? Thanks!
tntdse
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My SEEG came with the chopped tour pak as well as the ultra tour pak with speakers. The harness was already there and I just plugged the speakers in and had to plug an amp that was mounted to the bottom of the pak to get sound. Initially I wasn't sure where the large plug in went and just plugged in the speaker connections and didn't have any sound. Once I found the amp under the pak and plugged it in I got sound. Havn't messed with the treble and bass yet but the system sounds kind tinny. I wonder if the 04 and 05 have the same radio. How do you gents like the Dakota Antenna and is it difficult to install? Thanks!
tntdse
TNT, I just did a very quick search for a previous post of JC's and couldn't find it. Perhaps someone else will and, if not, you might ask him about it. It detailed the radio manufacturer's saying that a external amp running along with the radio on the SEEG is not a good idea. Our radios have an amp built in (assuming you've still got the stock radio) that isn't supposed to play happily with an external amp.
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TNT, I just did a very quick search for a previous post of JC's and couldn't find it.
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I've pretty much lost track of how many had some kind of trouble with the Hogtunes relative to how many actually have them. I can think of four or five names that had problems and some with multiple problems. But not even a clue as to how many overall have the units installed. Both for Pez' benefit and for ours going to add a poll to this thread to attempt some idea of what the numbers and failure ratio among our group might be.
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My improvements were short lived [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]. About an hour into the ride to meet with JC
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Guys
I apologize I havent been here for some time--I lost my Mother and had to travel. Regarding our failure rate, it stays at about 3%, which for an audio product is very good. I have dealt with any service issues as honorably as possible, and as quicly as possible. I have not read any of the posts yet, but I wanted people to know some things may have been taken out of context. Am I working on an upgrade--YES! I believe it is our responsibility to constantly try to make the product as good as possible--and in this case, it is an attempt to eliminate the 3%.
I firmly believe we have a good product--and I would rather send all the inventory to the landfill before I knowingly sold something bad. If anyone is unhappy, I will offer a full refund, as I always have.
My absence from the site may make things look bad for me, but given the circumstances, I hope you can understand I had to travel, only to find it difficult to get online at my families place out west.
Im a straight shooter, and will always do the right thing. If anyone wants to email me, my email is info@hogtunes.com. I sincerly hope my absence hasnt made anyone nervous about my integrity, and I hope we can get any issues sorted out so we can all move forward.
PEZ
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Hey all
I have had a chance to read some of the posts now, and I would like to thank those who appreciate we are on their side----says alot about the good group of people on this site!
Although our overall percentage of failure is small, it appears, a high portion of that failure could be in the SE bikes---I would like to thank those who reply to the poll-I do consider this for our benifit--and look forward to final results to make sure. When orders come in, we do not see what model of bike they will be used on. All the pretesting I did was on an 02 Ultra, and a large home audio reciever. I have my "boys" on the line to make Hogtunes work, and I am determined to get any issues sorted out--please do not take this as being coy--but our company is only 6 months old, and I attribute this to growing pains--precisely why we take it on the chin and immediatly send out replacements without delay or questions asked.
The modified speakers we are working on have a small change in them--in the event there is a failure of our current product, a set of the modified ones will be sent, or a refund offered. I believe the small percentage of people with issue will not have issues with the modified speaker. Since I dont repair the speakers, I do not ask people to send them back---and I send out replacements, so they can get their speakers swapped with no extra down time due to shipping.
I guess im done--and will get off my soap box now [smiley=laugh.gif] But seriously, if any one is unhappy, or feels our product is not for them, we will offer a full refund including freight charge without delay.
Email me any time!-----------PEZ
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Pez,
Really appreciate the fact that you stand for such great customer service....that is very hard to find these days and I think it should be noted when ya find it.
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I sent this email to pez today and I will post his reply. Seems like a real stand up guy and they are hard to find.
Hey pez, I have a set that I got a few weeks ago and have not yet put in my 05 SEEG. I do crank up the music a fair bit and certainly would like to add to your list of failed items. If you want to exchange them before they have a chance to fail, let me know and we can swap them out before I spend the time putting them in. Thanks JP [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]
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Hey John
Reply I got about 10 minutes after I sent the email. This guy is great wish he sold more stuff. JP [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]
We have no problem with that...just want to keep you happy if we can. Hope you appreciate our honesty online. We are expecting the modified speakers tomorrow as it is not a holiday here in Canada. I've got a trace on them now but didn't hear on Friday so we should know for sure tomorrow. We'll let you know when we expect them and if it's too long for you we will offer you a full refund..whatever makes you happy. Hope to hear from you soon.
Pez
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I was one of those that did incur problems with my first set of Hog Tunes however, Pez represented himself and his company by replacing them immediatly. I play my stereo at about 3/4 volumne all the time and full volumne often, when I'm doing 80 mph. No problems with the second set.
[bgcolor=Red]I just wish that Harley Davidson stood behind their bikes and their products the same way that Pez stands behind his products![/bgcolor] There is simply no comparison. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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I was one of those that did incur problems with my first set of Hog Tunes however, Pez represented himself and his company by replacing them immediatly.
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Guys, what are you experiencing when the Hogtunes speakers fail?
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Eh Guys I spoke to PEZ and the new modified speakers for all SEEG will be here within the next week. I ordered mine last night ans spoke to Pez this morning and he gave me a $10 disocunt for mentioning this ite. He also stated that he would ship the new Modified speakers within the next weke. I will take pictures and update this trend as soon as I get them so stay tuned!
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I wanted to see what happened with other folks who've had failures before contacting Pez about replacements (and changing my vote on the poll from "no problems" to "problems.")
103,
I was jammin G L O R I A
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103;
It sounds like they may have gone....Distortion at low volumes is a sign of a fried voice coil. Try to move the speaker in and out by hand. If there is any resistance or grinding feeling then the coil is done.
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I installed a set last night, socks over the running lights pulled out the screws and it took about fifteen minutes, they sound great.
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Just glanced up at the poll heading this thread. The reported number of problems versus numbers not having had problems (at least not yet) is certainly disconcerting. Granted, the numbers are nothing more than simple reporting. The stories that got shared here though kind of seemed to come up over a short period of time. Perhaps there was just a bad run of production and a group of problem children all hit the street about the same time? Would be nice to think so. Fortunately (so far) my speakers have continued to perform flawlessly. About 8k on the them during all kind of weather from 100 degree days to unexpected and unavoided torrential rain and wind; with a few stretches of pretty rough road surface thrown in for good measure.
Keeping my fingers crossed they continue doing well. But of course it's good to know that should a problem develop that replacements aren't any farther than an email to Pez away.
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I have had my replacements in for a couple of weeks now. Only about 600 miles but they are working very well. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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[smiley=thumbsup.gif] I put mine in 2 weeks ago and 800+ miles later...no problem. I just love them! The major diff..... is the amount of volume needed is 50% less of stock. I did notice that all connections were loose from factory and I had to crimp the male ends for a snug fit. I also put a dab of Di-Electric Grease on all connections just to be safe. The shipping package was WELL protected from our friends at UPS.
Ride safe.