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HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« on: June 05, 2009, 11:05:16 PM »

  I did the HID conversion on my SERG and now when I start the bike once in a while the lights go out and stay out until I restart it and then they usually stay on.  It's also happened to just one of the headlights with the other one staying on.
  Anyone have any idea what I should check or what might be wrong?
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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2009, 11:12:52 PM »

Was that the Harley HID you installed?
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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2009, 11:18:41 PM »

No, I got them from  http://www.xenonlink.com/.  Learned about them in an earlier post on here.
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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2009, 11:37:27 PM »

This generally occurs with the same light (right or left) consistently. You could pull the fairing again and send the ballast / cap assembly back to the manufacture. Or, each time you start the bike, switch the headlights to Hi beam and then back to Low beam. That will usually ignite the HID lamp without the the voltage drop, that the ballast / cap module is unable to overcome, when starting the engine. The capacitor in the ballast assembly, should provide the necessary voltage boost, when the engine cranks, and the voltage output is compromised. However; this does not seem to be the case. I would suggest that the size of the capacitor (if one exists), in the ballast assembly be reviewed by the manufacture. It should have the proper capacity (to hold the voltage) necessary for the lamp starting requirements. This occurs when the engine cranks and the system voltage has its normal draw and voltage drop.

My opinion may be wrong, but....

You tell me why xeonlink has not fixed this problem (whatever it may be) and we will both be better educated.... 
I would think, that this issue has been reported and it seems they have done... well nothing.... no one has contacted me....

Mine does the same thing...


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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2009, 11:59:03 PM »

I ran a dedicated fused 12 gage wire from the Battery, under the tank to the fairing to power the igniter's. power from the accessory line in the fairing is under rated for the High-low zenon system. maybe this could help. :Nixie's:
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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2009, 12:40:31 AM »

I have the same issue with my Xenonlinks. It is always just been one headlight that would not reignite, but it varies as to which one. I have gotten in the habit of switching to high beams and then back to low right after staring, with the bike already running. This always takes care of it as then they both fire up. Sometimes they both come on after starting, but I can't see fom the seat, so I have found it easier to just do the high beam flip, rather than getting off the bike every time I start it and worry about it.
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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2009, 08:49:50 AM »

No, I got them from  http://www.xenonlink.com/.  Learned about them in an earlier post on here.

OK. I was wondering because the Harley setup uses a relay connected to the starter circuit to kill voltage to the HID during startup. Perhaps adding a similar setup to yours would correct the problem. Just a thought.....
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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2009, 08:50:16 AM »

This generally occurs with the same light (right or left) consistently. You could pull the fairing again and send the ballast / cap assembly back to the manufacture. Or, each time you start the bike, switch the headlights to Hi beam and then back to Low beam. That will usually ignite the HID lamp without the the voltage drop, that the ballast / cap module is unable to overcome, when starting the engine. The capacitor in the ballast assembly, should provide the necessary voltage boost, when the engine cranks, and the voltage output is compromised. However; this does not seem to be the case. I would suggest that the size of the capacitor (if one exists), in the ballast assembly be reviewed by the manufacture. It should have the proper capacity (to hold the voltage) necessary for the lamp starting requirements. This occurs when the engine cranks and the system voltage has its normal draw and voltage drop.

My opinion may be wrong, but....

You tell me why xeonlink has not fixed this problem (whatever it may be) and we will both be better educated.... 
I would think, that this issue has been reported and it seems they have done... well nothing.... no one has contacted me....

Mine does the same thing...


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I guess that's why the wiring on HD's HID headlamp is complicated in that it uses the relay behind the battery box to interrupt the feed to the HID while the starter button is pressed.....

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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2009, 12:21:32 PM »

  I'm wondering which way would be better--to add a relay to kill the voltage to the HID circuit when starting, or to add a relay to the headlight circuit that feeds the HID system directly from the battery on a separate feed so that it doesn't have as much of a voltage drop when starting?
   I was thinking about running a wire direct from the battery to the HID circuit and controlling it with a relay in the headlight circuit so that it was controlled by the headlight circuit an could all be right there behind the fairing and the power coming directly from the battery.   But maybe my idea wouldn't help---I'm not an engineer for sure.
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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2009, 02:23:53 PM »

  I'm wondering which way would be better--to add a relay to kill the voltage to the HID circuit when starting, or to add a relay to the headlight circuit that feeds the HID system directly from the battery on a separate feed so that it doesn't have as much of a voltage drop when starting?
   I was thinking about running a wire direct from the battery to the HID circuit and controlling it with a relay in the headlight circuit so that it was controlled by the headlight circuit an could all be right there behind the fairing and the power coming directly from the battery.   But maybe my idea wouldn't help---I'm not an engineer for sure.

A relay which opens, and turns off the power to the HID, when you press the starter switch would be best I think.

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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2009, 03:11:45 PM »

A relay which opens, and turns off the power to the HID, when you press the starter switch would be best I think.

Jim

  I wasn't thinking quite right when I posted that--I thought this way would be harder to do but after I thought about it, it wouldn't be too hard to wire that way.  I'll try it as soon as I get a relay.
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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2009, 04:18:57 PM »

  I wasn't thinking quite right when I posted that--I thought this way would be harder to do but after I thought about it, it wouldn't be too hard to wire that way.  I'll try it as soon as I get a relay.
Thanks,
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Let me know how that goes, Steve - I'll be doing an HID conversion myself (high AND low beam) in a week or two.

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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2009, 04:50:11 PM »

Let me know how that goes, Steve - I'll be doing an HID conversion myself (high AND low beam) in a week or two.

Jim

Ok,  I did the high and low too that's why the hi lo head light switch won't do anything about getting the lights back on.
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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2009, 11:01:40 PM »

The igniter's main power can be wired from the battery directly with out a relay. Be sure to use a fuse. the on off power function of the igniter comes from the existing head lamp wiring.   
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Re: HID Lights go out when starting---sometimes??
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2009, 06:20:48 PM »

The igniter's main power can be wired from the battery directly with out a relay. Be sure to use a fuse. the on off power function of the igniter comes from the existing head lamp wiring.   

  I can't find the web address of the install instructions and I haven't removed the fairing yet to look, but I was thinking that the only power connection I made was for the thing that switched the shield over the bulbs to change from high to low beam.  Maybe I misunderstood the purpose of that wire, or is there another power wire I forgot about?  I can see where the source I used for that wire might not carry enough current when starting.  Do you have a web address for the install or could tell me what wire is the power wire?  Guess I'm getting a little mixed up here.  I thought the system got it's power from the headlight circuit (the 3 prong connector) but I certainly could be wrong.   I'm just trying to figure out what I need to do before I remove the fairing so I'll have everything I need and know what I'm doing.   
Thanks for any help in advance!!
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