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Harley-Davidson Patents Group Riding-Friendly Adaptive Cruise Control
Twolanerider:
--- Quote from: dayne66 on August 17, 2019, 07:55:25 PM ---Coming from Harley, that is so well known for using it's customers as guinea pigs.....do you really want the lives of your group to rely on this?
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While the point isn't invalid so far as Harley's reputation with systems and technology deployment is concerned none of us would (hopefully?) fully rely on tech for the road management of our bikes. The tech can be aid but should never be manager.
Ironhorse:
Based on the little information, I’m not a fan of this. I know, tall words coming from a guy who rides an Ultra with all the bells and whistles, but I feel this may have the opposite effect than what is intended.
Cars today are very advanced with cameras, speed sensors, proximity sensors, lane positioning sensors, heads up displays, and wipers that sense rain. However I’m not so sure all that helps. All that stuff takes the driving out of driving. Drivers get a false sense of security and may allow their attention to drop. Why should they pay attention, some machine is doing it for them.
Now add that to motorcycle riding. Suddenly the rider has technology feeding him data and that may get him to drop his guard and then comes trouble.
But I could be wrong.
iski:
Not so deep thoughts...reading this thread makes me wonder:
Is it more fun to complain about Harley not taking the lead and innovating or complaining about it when they do? :nixweiss:
Adaptive cruise control is a good idea, will be interested to see how it works. Am not expecting perfection, all systems (even plain old cruise control) need rider management & to think otherwise is a very bad idea, but this feature could help on those longer rides when not in front.
grc:
--- Quote from: iski on August 18, 2019, 08:22:21 AM ---Not so deep thoughts...reading this thread makes me wonder:
Is it more fun to complain about Harley not taking the lead and innovating or complaining about it when they do? :nixweiss:
Adaptive cruise control is a good idea, will be interested to see how it works. Am not expecting perfection, all systems (even plain old cruise control) need rider management & to think otherwise is a very bad idea, but this feature could help on those longer rides when not in front.
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Good point. I do worry though that all the automation the auto industry is adding will make things worse, as people who already don't pay enough attention to what's going on around them will assume they don't have to pay any attention at all. One case in point, Tesla's Auto Pilot feature that has figured prominently in some major crashes and loss of life when the rocket scientists driving them thought they could take a nap at 80 mph or spend time working on their laptops or reading an e-book.
Consider if you will that cars and trucks with all the latest adaptive cruise control, automatic braking, lane keeping, etc., all rely on camera's, radar, or sonar sensors that can be defeated by a simple rain or snow storm as well as plain old road grime. If every driver was a highly trained pilot who always followed checklists and scanned instruments for signs of trouble, not a big problem because the vehicles are supposed to alert the driver when a system goes down due to sensor issues. I think we all know the vast majority of the people behind the wheel on the roads these days are the polar opposite of that highly trained pilot. And on another note, even in vehicles with attentive drivers, we have had numerous reports of system failures such as the Nissan's that apply the emergency braking feature for no reason. Slamming on the brakes in traffic for no reason is a good way to have another vehicle introduce itself to your vehicle's posterior. Hopefully it won't be a tractor-trailer.
Jerry
ultrarider123:
I'm with Mark and Jerry on this.
I'm also glad the MoCo is looking at things to bring them closer to the other brands in technology.
Iski, the past shows we are the unpaid test pilots for Harley and that I don't appreciate. Until that changes, we can and should gripe. The numerous "updates" to just the infotainment system alone is justification.
If auto or cycle manufactures choose to put all this stuff on their product, more power to them as long as each comes with an off button so that those of us that don't want nanny interfering can shut it off... ;D
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