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CVO Technical => Milwaukee-Eight => Topic started by: Nad on October 29, 2017, 08:49:08 AM
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I recently purchased a new '17 CVO Street Glide. I am trying to wake it up, without breaking the bank. I know I need a tuner, and slip-ons, at a minimum. Any recommendations? I was thinking V&H FP3, and I've just started looking at the Full Sac baffles. I don't know anything about them, really. But seems to be an economical way to go.
Also, is it possible to remove the catalytic converter?
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Do you have a warranty? Do you want to maintain it? If not, then look at the Fullsac header, baffles, and TTS tune. If you contact Fullsac they can set you up with a complete package. Forget about the Van & Hines FP3 or any other kind of stuff like that.
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Here we go.....
Because of other issues that may not develop for several thousand miles I agree with DesertHOG. Best to leave it alone and maintain your warranty.
One thing you can do is have it dyno tuned. If you have it tuned with the TTS you can easily return the stock download back into the bike for warranty visits. Might have to download the stock tune prior to any service visits also.
To wake it up much more than that you need to go stage II with cams.
Just remember you didn't buy a performance motorcycle.
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Thank you for the input definitely something to consider. I do want to keep the warranty. HD said they can do slip on's and a tune, but I haven't been very impressed with their SE parts since the law suit. I'm not looking for a drag bike, just a bit more oomph. I installed a 103 kit, slip on's and a TTS on my '09 SG and it had more power/performance than this CVO, by far. A friend of mine, a former HD tech (still certified thru HD), did the work, so kept I the warranty. I moved, and we have since lost contact.
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And this is an issue that pisses me off too. Why do they sell a $45-50 thousand bike that can still be improved in performance for more money and be EPA and warranty legal if HD parts are installed . Why not sell it that way up front?
Remember the Jap bikes of the 70's and 80's? There were very few upgrades because the engineers at those companies wrung every drop of performance out of the bikes. They still do. Only thing you an do to a KZ or FJ is make it louder.
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I have a FP3 and think it works exceptionally especially with only slip-ons. I have had professional tunes with TTS & Race Tuners. Never again, FP3 or similar makes more sense. Folks that don't have one just have no idea. The electronic world grows everyday.
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And this is an issue that pisses me off too. Why do they sell a $45-50 thousand bike that can still be improved in performance for more money and be EPA and warranty legal if HD parts are installed . Why not sell it that way up front?
Remember the Jap bikes of the 70's and 80's? There were very few upgrades because the engineers at those companies wrung every drop of performance out of the bikes. They still do. Only thing you an do to a KZ or FJ is make it louder.
MoCo makes more money selling upgrades. Also, it shifts the responsibility of failure to the customer.
:oops: :nixweiss:
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I have a FP3 and think it works exceptionally especially with only slip-ons. I have had professional tunes with TTS & Race Tuners. Never again, FP3 or similar makes more sense. Folks that don't have one just have no idea. The electronic world grows everyday.
I'll second Don's comments on the FP3. I went with the SERT on my '12 and actually like the FP3 on my '15. I would do it again with no hesitation. However, if I were going heads/cams/motor work, I would be going with the TTS.
I did not touch my '15 with anything motor/performance related until the warranty ran out this past July.
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Remember the Jap bikes of the 70's and 80's? There were very few upgrades because the engineers at those companies wrung every drop of performance out of the bikes. They still do. Only thing you an do to a KZ or FJ is make it louder.
It's not just the Japanese bikes of the 70's and 80's, it applies to them today. That new GoldWing will not need a TTS Dyno-Tune and exhaust to "run right", but a new Ultra will. It happens because we accept it and continue to buy the products.
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I recently purchased a new '17 CVO Street Glide. I am trying to wake it up, without breaking the bank. I know I need a tuner, and slip-ons, at a minimum. Any recommendations? I was thinking V&H FP3, and I've just started looking at the Full Sac baffles. I don't know anything about them, really. But seems to be an economical way to go.
Also, is it possible to remove the catalytic converter?
As others have said, you can't go wrong with Fullsac for the best combination of performance, sound and economy. The Fullsac header pipe will solve your cat issue and using the baffle inserts you get to keep the quite attractive CVO mufflers. I went that route on my 2011 FLTRUSE and was quite pleased with the result :2vrolijk_21:.
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On an M8 bike, unless you don't care about your warranty, don't go with after market performance upgrades...Your dealer might be understanding up to a point but when he goes to Harley to authorize a bigger repair, good luck!
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Being able to put it back 100% to stock is the key and that will not happen with a FP3 or a PV . The digital tech is running a program in the back ground that the dealer is doing . Owners have voided power train and do not know it . I work with a few dealers in this area an it has bitten them all ready . So unless you use a tuner like the TTS that I know for a fact will not show up be prepared to pay if you have an issue.
And when I say I know this we tested it . Meaning tuned a bike dealer did its thing and we waited to see if it got flagged it did not. The dealer can in fact check this if they go through the process .
the 18 CVO 117 bikes are a different No air cleaner , no slip on no street tuner no nothing EPA or other wise . That is the deal on that bike..
I do not agree with much of any of this but not like we make the rules MOCO does and its hurting the dealers in the process as well .
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Being able to put it back 100% to stock is the key and that will not happen with a FP3 or a PV . The digital tech is running a program in the back ground that the dealer is doing . Owners have voided power train and do not know it . I work with a few dealers in this area an it has bitten them all ready . So unless you use a tuner like the TTS that I know for a fact will not show up be prepared to pay if you have an issue.
And when I say I know this we tested it . Meaning tuned a bike dealer did its thing and we waited to see if it got flagged it did not. The dealer can in fact check this if they go through the process .
the 18 CVO 117 bikes are a different No air cleaner , no slip on no street tuner no nothing EPA or other wise . That is the deal on that bike..
I do not agree with much of any of this but not like we make the rules MOCO does and its hurting the dealers in the process as well .
Power Vision doesn't show on the digital tech as long as the guy doing the tuning knows what to do, confirmed this with the SM and lead tech at a local dealer which are my friends.
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your are correct the dealer cannot see it. However that is not what I am talking about and it has been confirmed now more than once and power train warranty voided by MOCO dealer was unaware. SO how did that happen?? Not going to get into it on a level of PV is better or worse just stating what I know to be factual .. It showed factory cal on the DT .
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so what you are saying is that the DT is running a program in the background that is sending data direct to the mo co as to the state of the e c m - and not telling the dealer anything??
if that is the case then the mo co must not trust the dealers and is now checking the state of the e c m themselves directly?
personally knowing dealer little white lies to mo co about warranty work......
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your are correct the dealer cannot see it. However that is not what I am talking about and it has been confirmed now more than once and power train warranty voided by MOCO dealer was unaware. SO how did that happen?? Not going to get into it on a level of PV is better or worse just stating what I know to be factual .. It showed factory cal on the DT .
Same here.
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the 18 CVO 117 bikes are a different No air cleaner , no slip on no street tuner no nothing EPA or other wise . That is the deal on that bike..
I am a little confused by the above statement.
I have an 18 CVO RG.
While I had great plans for more invasive performance upgrades, I have to decided to hold off on those for a bit until some of the well known other issues with the M8 have been addressed.
However, I am wanting more performance. I already have Fullsac cores in my stock mufflers and had planned on using the Fullsac MX headpipe and a better AC.(I haven't made up my mind on which AC.) Originally I had planned on using a Thundermaxx ecm, as my thinking was it would be the easiest to return the bike back to stock configuration if a "warranty" issue should arise. But now there is some speculation that the factory ecm maybe recording odometer readings and thus might cause DT to flag the bike. (I don't know if this has been confirmed yet.) So, since those in the know have confirmed that the TTS has successfully returned the ecm back to stock, and left no trace for the DT to flag the bike, I figured that is the way to go.
But, your statement above makes me pause my plans. Are you saying, that there is no way to "enhance" my CVO other than the mediocre HD components and tune?
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"But, your statement above makes me pause my plans. Are you saying, that there is no way to "enhance" my CVO other than the mediocre HD components and tune?"
You can do whatever you want, his point was about your factory warranty.
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"But, your statement above makes me pause my plans. Are you saying, that there is no way to "enhance" my CVO other than the mediocre HD components and tune?"
You can do whatever you want, his point was about your factory warranty.
Lots of people have opinions about upgrades and a lot of them will chase performance through upgrades outside of the HD path.
My experience with performance upgrades is that you sacrifice reliability with every performance upgrade you add. (MY EXPERIENCE). The more extreme the upgrade the more risk you take on that you may have a failure. These bikes were mass produced. When you try to turn them into performance machines you will get the same results as at the track. Do you have any idea how many times there are critical failures on a track? I have friends who built performance drag machines. They rebuilt their engines multiple time a season (summer).
If you stay in the HD box of upgrades your reduce that risk of failure and will be covered under warranty if your engine does fail.
Let the bashing begin.
DH
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