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[fred786]

I see Harman developed the GPS and Infotainment system. Same company HD used for present system on our bikes.  Would be nice to see updated system for the 2019 touring lineup.

[OBB]

This could be you!

Cute pix but that only applies when both sitting at a light. As much as I love my bike, I know better than to try to run against a GW.

[FLSTFI Dave]

This could be you!

Cute pix but that only applies when both sitting at a light. As much as I love my bike, I know better than to try to run against a GW.

I would run my CVO King against that bike.  I'm pretty sure I would take it in the Quarter mile.  The twisties, no as it has much better lean angle.

[J.D.]

Since when is it important to have the fastest bagger?

Truth is to make a stock Harley as fast as a stock GW you have to throw thousands of dollars at it and you just end up with an even more unreliable bike.

Here's where Harley's latest direction confuses the hell out of me.  They tried to make a high tech / low tech hybrid and arguably ended up with overpriced bikes with the worst traits of both.

[DesertHOG]

Truth is to make a stock Harley as fast as a stock GW you have to throw thousands of dollars at it and you just end up with an even more unreliable bike.

[MightyTharg]

I was looking forward to see the new wing but so far I'm feeling disappointed. I'd thought the bagger version might be a replacement for my 2015 CVO SG. 

I'm getting tired of the heat output from a big air cooled motor and I'm getting fed up of struggling to find tyres that'll cope with the weight of a HD tourer and have good performance in bad weather.  The M8 Tourers ain't much different in weight to my 2015 and the new Yamaha is aircooled and heavy so I was waiting to see what Honda came up with. 

I was hoping that they'd reduce the weight drastically and get it down to near K1600GT/K1600B levels (unladen weight, road ready, fully fuelled 336kg/740lbs) but instead I've seen the base Goldwing model quoted as 365kg/787lbs although this is an improvement on a Street Glide (weight in running order = 398kg/877lbs).

Then I look at the slimmed down fairing of the new wingand wonder how protective it will be and then read that the fuel tank size has been reduced to 21.5 litres and I'm wondering what the design brief was...

This is no technological tour-de-force, which was what I was hoping for.  Looking at the rest of the machine and it seems Honda have just been platying a bit of catch-up on BMWs K1600 launched in 2010/2011   


Double Wishbone front suspension - not exactly radical as it looks just like the design BMW borrowed from Hossack in which has been used since 2005 on BMW K1200,K1300 and K1600   

DCT - not an option I would want but whilst the wing has this option the K1600 has the option of "gear shift assist" which is basically a quickshifter that works on up and down changes (no need to use the clutch whilst you're moving) 

Reverse gear - also available on the K1600, only available on the wing if you have the DCT option

Apple Carplay - good idea if you use an iPhone but no interest to me as I loathe Apple products in general and use an Android phone.

Electronic Suspension - also on the K1600

Driving modes - also on the K1600

Linked ABS - also on the K1600.

So the K1600 is lighter, has pretty much all the bells and whistles, more power (160bhp/120lbft  vs  126bhp/125lbft ) and better power to weight plus you can get decent sport-touring tyres to fit it.

I'm left feeling that if BMW had never built the K1600 maybe the Golding would be some kind of awesome, but as it stands it looks to be a major disappointment. 

Shame.   

[Boatman]

The new Wing is 125 horsepower.
Regarding the fuel tank size, it has the same range as the 17 (better fuel mileage).
If I were buying new, I would buy one over a Harley.  $28K vs over $42K for a cvo..  Just one guys opinion.   

[BigLew]

The new Wing is 125 horsepower.
Regarding the fuel tank size, it has the same range as the 17 (better fuel mileage).
If I were buying new, I would buy one over a Harley.  $28K vs over $42K for a cvo..  Just one guys opinion.   

Interesting option, just not doing a lot of 700 mile days anymore, maybe a stripped down version?

BigLew

[CVO2FIXUP]

 The Wing, or Honda has the biggest ace up its sleeve. BMW can't even touch this ace. and thats reliability, inexpensive parts and service when it does need to be fixed. Go and take you Beemer for electrical work or some oil leak some place. Sorry about your luck. That relay or module is $600 and $600 to install and guess what, we can't get it, and we don't have the tools to take the thing apart.  Honda? go to you power sport store and order. And every tech can fix them, not to many specialty tools required. BMW all specialty tools.   From that perspective I would avoid BMW like the plague. And did you know BMW is recalling 150,000 bikes for major front end failures?

[Twolanerider]

The Wing, or Honda has the biggest ace up its sleeve. BMW can't even touch this ace. and thats reliability, inexpensive parts and service when it does need to be fixed. Go and take you Beemer for electrical work or some oil leak some place. Sorry about your luck. That relay or module is $600 and $600 to install and guess what, we can't get it, and we don't have the tools to take the thing apart.  Honda? go to you power sport store and order. And every tech can fix them, not to many specialty tools required. BMW all specialty tools.   From that perspective I would avoid BMW like the plague. And did you know BMW is recalling 150,000 bikes for major front end failures?

Of the several bikes around here I occasionally or semi-occasionally see in my garage one I don't see anymore is a Beemer one friend bought.  Saw it, fell in love it, drove it 4800 miles.  Then one Saturday brought it over to check over and tinker with a bit.  He had a few ideas for service and upgrades.  Nearly universally across the bike we couldn't work on it.  At least not beyond the superficial.  Needed expensive tools all over the place.  That experience by itself was enough to let me know I'm never driving/riding BMW.  If there was any doubt beyond the costs of parts were as extreme as suggested.  Their prices would make Harley blush.

[MightyTharg]

The Wing, or Honda has the biggest ace up its sleeve. BMW can't even touch this ace. and thats reliability, inexpensive parts and service when it does need to be fixed. Go and take you Beemer for electrical work or some oil leak some place. Sorry about your luck. That relay or module is $600 and $600 to install and guess what, we can't get it, and we don't have the tools to take the thing apart.  Honda? go to you power sport store and order. And every tech can fix them, not to many specialty tools required. BMW all specialty tools.   From that perspective I would avoid BMW like the plague. And did you know BMW is recalling 150,000 bikes for major front end failures?

Yep I'm aware that according to the internet forums I should have had several major failures on the various BMWs I've ridden over 20 odd years - surely I'd have had at least one final drive failure or switchgear failure!  But alas no - nothing, nada, zip, zilch - fuel 'em and ride 'em, drop 'em in for tyres and servicing.  I don't dispute there are problems and recalls but I've only had one new or nearly new bike let me down recently; my CVO Street Glide (switchgear - wouldn't start).

As far as speciality tools are concerned you're surely aware that the rest of the world has moved to metric - so I had to buy a bunch of new tools to work on my HD....  I probably have the essentials in my garage for any routine servicing of a BMW, add a GS-911 diagnostic tool and I could do a bunch more including fluid change on the linked ABS.

Dealer servicing costs have not been vastly different between my BMWs and my Harleys.

As I said, I'm still disappointed, I was hoping for more and think the new wing (on paper) doesn't stack up well to the K1600. They are so very similar in spec but the K1600 trounces the Wing everywhere it matters.

I will take one out for a spin when they're available for demo - but I doubt it will result in a sale for Honda unless the riding position is superb and the engine sublime and the price competitive - so still a possibility...


   

[Ironhorse]

The only touring bike Honda has to compare itself with, is Honda. It doesn't have to compete with BMW, Harley,or Yamaha, just the last generation of Goldwing.

[tazmun]

The only touring bike Honda has to compare itself with, is Honda. It doesn't have to compete with BMW, Harley,or Yamaha, just the last generation of Goldwing.
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Oh so true!

[OBB]

The only touring bike Honda has to compare itself with, is Honda. It doesn't have to compete with BMW, Harley,or Yamaha, just the last generation of Goldwing.

Good point.

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