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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2018, 02:30:21 PM »

Say what you want but pictures don’t lie

I guess this input shaft handled the power right up to when it snapped off.


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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2018, 04:34:55 PM »

Thanks for the replies:) it looks like the S&S would be the way to go and there is a certified installer/machine shop locally that looks really good for the work. I called P3R and it sounds like a great product but very expensive and I think it’s more then I need based on my build. Should I have a Timken bearing installed as well or is that more then I need? I do ride very hard on occasion and want this motor Bullit proof? I’m also considering having my SE lifters replaces while it’s spart. They are new 2000 miles ago from the 117 kit, but I was not happy about using them to begin with. Anything else I should consider while it’s apart? Keep I mind the heads have already been done.
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R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2018, 04:40:56 PM »

+1 for the timken

I’d consider a shim or the S&S pump plate combo

This will bring your pressure at hot idle up to around 10 pounds

Agree with dumping those lifters,  I prefer the S&S without the travel limiters
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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2018, 06:03:57 PM »

Thanks for the replies:) it looks like the S&S would be the way to go and there is a certified installer/machine shop locally that looks really good for the work. I called P3R and it sounds like a great product but very expensive and I think it’s more then I need based on my build. Should I have a Timken bearing installed as well or is that more then I need? I do ride very hard on occasion and want this motor Bullit proof? I’m also considering having my SE lifters replaces while it’s spart. They are new 2000 miles ago from the 117 kit, but I was not happy about using them to begin with. Anything else I should consider while it’s apart? Keep I mind the heads have already been done.
An improperly done timken
Make sure whomever is doing it aligns the case halves
Just using the Jim's tool bad idea
Better off with 2 Lefty's and a trued up balanced crank
S&s crank more than up to the task
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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2018, 10:40:01 AM »

An improperly done timken
Make sure whomever is doing it aligns the case halves
Just using the Jim's tool bad idea
Better off with 2 Lefty's and a trued up balanced crank
S&s crank more than up to the task

John is absolutely right. S&S cranks are more than up to the task. (They'll even do the machine work).
I wouldn't skimp on this part, getting it done right the first time is money well spent. Doing it twice will
always cost (allot) more. Let S&S do that machine work, you'll be a happy camper. Guaranteed!
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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2018, 07:11:52 AM »

go with the Timken conversion,the timkens help stabilize the flywheels way more than OEM roller bearing or "lefties".also go with S&S lifters over SE

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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2018, 07:24:30 AM »

Who said he uses an S&S crank in that bike? Kirby?

I never said we use a S&S F/W and we don't,(we`de twist a S&S or P3R or any regular crank to chit in a heart beat)we made our crank out of 4340 C/M,output shaft is 3.5" & uses very large timkens on both sides

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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2018, 11:41:33 AM »

I never said we use a S&S F/W and we don't,(we`de twist a S&S or P3R or any regular crank to chit in a heart beat)we made our crank out of 4340 C/M,output shaft is 3.5" & uses very large timkens on both sides

Well. There you have it. (I'm not surprised you need a 3 1/2" output shaft for that thing) lol. 
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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2018, 09:08:43 PM »

So looking like S&S crank with Timken bearing, S&s lifters and Baker comp. any thoughts on the Baker compensater and Hayden tensioner.
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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2018, 10:44:37 PM »

So looking like S&S crank with Timken bearing, S&s lifters and Baker comp. any thoughts on the Baker compensater and Hayden tensioner.

Good choice. Baker is top notch stuff as well. I'm not familiar with Hayden but they're probably pretty good.
The Harley tensioner is not known to be problematic, fwtw...
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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2018, 06:44:12 AM »

So looking like S&S crank with Timken bearing, S&s lifters and Baker comp. any thoughts on the Baker compensater and Hayden tensioner.

I would not suggest the baker comp with the bigger inch motors for 2 reasons

1 it only supports 130 HP
2 it is noisey

Manual tensioner is good,  Baker is the one who said to not use the comp were worried about it coming apart on bigger inch/power motors.
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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2018, 09:42:07 AM »

Some of the locals here with 135+  hp use a solid front sprocket and have accumulated many miles on that setup with no downside that they can feel or hear. Plus no maintenance.
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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2018, 10:45:12 AM »

Thanks unbalanced, I called Baker and they are realeasing a heavy duty comp in March made for higher output motors. He said to wait and get the new HD version. He also recommended a new chain and his adjuster if I want super quite and smooth. Apparently used chains can make a lot of noise when used with a their compensator and tension adjuster because of being worn in for a different angle. I’m ready for perfection in my primary so I think this whole set up is worth it. The new comp is suppose to be much stronger with much stronger spring pressure to deal with high HP and TQ loads.
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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2018, 11:19:57 AM »

Thanks unbalanced, I called Baker and they are realeasing a heavy duty comp in March made for higher output motors. He said to wait and get the new HD version. He also recommended a new chain and his adjuster if I want super quite and smooth. Apparently used chains can make a lot of noise when used with a their compensator and tension adjuster because of being worn in for a different angle. I’m ready for perfection in my primary so I think this whole set up is worth it. The new comp is suppose to be much stronger with much stronger spring pressure to deal with high HP and TQ loads.

Thanks for the info on the upgraded compensator. 


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Re: R&R cycle crank on 117
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2018, 07:22:54 AM »

Looking for clarification on the Timken bearing install. The guy is planning on using the Jim’s set up. Someone on here said that’s not the right way to do it. Can you clarify what I should be asking please? Is the Jim’s Timken design bad or is it how it’s installed I should be worried about?
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