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[FLTRCVO]

The Dealer requested the new motor on 09/04/07 at 9 AM (West Coast Time) told it would take 7 - 10 days to ship a new motor complete. I contacted Harley and infromed all of my dismay with their product, the 110 motor. I also inquired of someone in the Executive Offices (Ken), where is my check for my Research and Development hours? Needless to say he did not care for my attitude and gave me the usual jargon.

However, within 4 days of the motor request my bike is done. I will be picking the bike up in one hour and start the break in period of the newly designed 110 motor complete. The new motor was shipped overnight to Las Vegas, Nevada with my original VIN stamped on it.

Bottom Line - The service at all ends of the chain has been exceptional, I only wish the service was not required in the first place.

[mr_magoo]

Now I'm excited I was told Thursday that a motor had been ordered but thought it would take a few week to get.

[Twolanerider]

Now I'm excited I was told Thursday that a motor had been ordered but thought it would take a few week to get.

Dave, your motor broke again?

[mr_magoo]

Well it running sorta, it just the results of not fixing it right the first time.  Has a bad vibration in the motor about 4000rpm,  and they finally agreed to replace it after riding the bike.

[Twolanerider]

Well it running sorta, it just the results of not fixing it right the first time.  Has a bad vibration in the motor about 4000rpm,  and they finally agreed to replace it after riding the bike.

So the shavings/debris from the oil pump failure was either part of more damage or did more damage all by itself.  That's too bad.  Would've been nice if it could have stayed the relatively simple failure.  At least this hopefully you'll not have to worry about it anymore.  Following a pump failure the old one would have been in the back of my mind for a long time.  So maybe that's the silver lining?

[SBB]

The Dealer requested the new motor on 09/04/07 at 9 AM (West Coast Time) told it would take 7 - 10 days to ship a new motor complete. I contacted Harley and infromed all of my dismay with their product, the 110 motor. I also inquired of someone in the Executive Offices (Ken), where is my check for my Research and Development hours? Needless to say he did not care for my attitude and gave me the usual jargon.

However, within 4 days of the motor request my bike is done. I will be picking the bike up in one hour and

 start the break in period of the newly designed 110 motor complete.

The new motor was shipped overnight to Las Vegas, Nevada with my original VIN stamped on it.

Bottom Line - The service at all ends of the chain has been exceptional, I only wish the service was not required in the first place.

What does a newly designed 110 motor mean?
What justifies that description?
Thanks!

 

[deucedog]

What does a newly designed 110 motor mean?
What justifies that description?
Thanks!

 

 

[FLTRCVO]

What does a newly designed 110 motor mean?
What justifies that description?
Thanks!

 

New / different design / modified flywheel (engine component) new / different design / modified O rings, (internal engine parts), new / different / modified gasket kits (internal engine support parts), and many other changes.

To quote the Motor Company, "newly designed internals". 

The Quote justifies the description, in my eyes .

[mr_magoo]

All those changes on a newly redesigned motor.

[Twolanerider]

All those changes on a newly redesigned motor.

That's the same thought that passed between my ears also Dave.  Since we've already heard of new gaskets and other voodoo everyone can hope that the "re-redesign" or more technical than marketing oriented.  What a mess it's been for so many.  Good luck guys!

[FLTRCVO]

New / different design / modified flywheel (engine component) new / different design / modified O rings, (internal engine parts), new / different / modified gasket kits (internal engine support parts), and many other changes.

To quote the Motor Company, "newly designed internals". 

The Quote justifies the description, in my eyes .

Make no mistake about it, we, the 110 Group are running BETA motors. Again, we are the uncompensated R&D for the Motor Company.

[FLTRCVO]

All those changes on a newly redesigned motor.

So states the motor Company. The Dealer techs have no idea of the so called new design, they are merely installing the motor sent to them. I didn't receive any paperwork on the new motor since it was stamped with my original VIN. The old motor is shipping back to HD with some other stuff next week.

[JDOFLHRIDER]

I WAS A THE DEALER AND ASKED THE MOTOR MAN ABOUT UPDATES AND HE SAID SAME PARTS ,MOSTLY DIFFERENT PARTS MAUFACTURE AND HEAD GASKET WAS ON 2ND UPDATE (3RD SINCE START).RIDE SAFE JDO

[skreminegul07]

Does anybody have the 2008 Parts book so we can see waht changed (at least when the book was printed)?

[FLTRCVO]

Does anybody have the 2008 Parts book so we can see waht changed (at least when the book was printed)?

As you know from reading my previous posts regarding my 110 motor, I received work orders on all work except the replacement motor sent from the factory stamped with my VIN. At this point in time I believe the 110 is still a work in progress. I have the 2007 FLHRSE3 Parts Catalog and Service Manual Supplement and I am registered to receive updates / ammendments for both the Parts Catalog and Service Manual, to date I have not received a single update.

Are you waiting for a new motor, if so, did you receive your it?

[skreminegul07]

No FLHRSE,
But the new cylinders and tranny case are getting installed this week after the crank runout is checked.  I'm not optimistic about the "fix" just resetting the clock and counting down the warrantee.  Did theyt extended your warrantee?  Did you ask?

I'm looking to trade down to an 06 HD or an 08 Victory. 

I can't want for the service survey to come!

[FLTRCVO]

No FLHRSE,
But the new cylinders and tranny case are getting installed this week after the crank runout is checked.  I'm not optimistic about the "fix" just resetting the clock and counting down the warrantee.  Did theyt extended your warrantee?  Did you ask?

I'm looking to trade down to an 06 HD or an 08 Victory. 

I can't want for the service survey to come!

My Dealer included 5 years of warranty.

I am a bit optimistic at this point in time due to the new motor.  Have no idea what components are in the new motor, this could be a plus. Six gear is now smooth as silk at from 2000 RPM at 60 mph instead of 80 mph at 2500 RPM, averaging 41 mpg compared to 31 mpg. After I get the break in done I will DYNO it and compare the graphs, The bike feels stronger, a tad lighter on the low end TQ and better response and more HP in the mid to high RPM range of course this is seat of the pants talking.

I am suspect of a different cam being in this new motor or was the flywheel problem a complete drag on the previous motor since day one?

The cam profile via the Dyno is the same numbers and power band almost identicle to Motor # 1 (100.00 HP / 117.20 TQ) Motor # 2 (100.85 HP / 115.34 TQ). However, had to Dyno the new motor to dial in the Air / Fuel

[skreminegul07]

My Dealer included 5 years of warranty.

I am a bit optimistic at this point in time due to the new motor.  Have no idea what components are in the new motor, this could be a plus. Six gear is now smooth as silk at from 2000 RPM at 60 mph instead of 80 mph at 2500 RPM, averaging 41 mpg compared to 31 mpg. After I get the break in done I will DYNO it and compare the graphs, The bike feels stronger, a tad lighter on the low end TQ and better response and more HP in the mid to high RPM range of course this is seat of the pants talking.

I am suspect of a different cam being in this new motor or was the flywheel problem a complete drag on the previous motor since day one?

Very commendable.  Did they add the IDS by any chance?  There really must be some improvements in the motor.

[FLTRCVO]

Very commendable.  Did they add the IDS by any chance?  There really must be some improvements in the motor.

Negative on the IDS.

[Chief]

My Dealer included 5 years of warranty.

I am a bit optimistic at this point in time due to the new motor.  Have no idea what components are in the new motor, this could be a plus. Six gear is now smooth as silk at from 2000 RPM at 60 mph instead of 80 mph at 2500 RPM, averaging 41 mpg compared to 31 mpg. After I get the break in done I will DYNO it and compare the graphs, The bike feels stronger, a tad lighter on the low end TQ and better response and more HP in the mid to high RPM range of course this is seat of the pants talking.

I am suspect of a different cam being in this new motor or was the flywheel problem a complete drag on the previous motor since day one?

Glad to hear it's working out for you.

[Hobo]

Very commendable.  Did they add the IDS by any chance?  There really must be some improvements in the motor.

Sorry, dumb question. What's IDS ?   

Hobo

[Fired00d]

Sorry, dumb question. What's IDS ?   

Hobo

Isolated Drive Sprocket System - Introduced on the '08 Touring models, the Isolated Drive System improves rider comfort and ride quality by dampening the mechanical noise and vibration caused by the engine's torque pulses. The rubber compensation elements in the sprocket act like a cushion, absorbing the power pulses from the engine. With the IDS installed, the motorcycle feels more refined, and is quieter while accelerating, shifting and cruising. Kit includes sprocket, compensator bowl, and installation hardware.
 
 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[ultrafxr]

As you know from reading my previous posts regarding my 110 motor, I received work orders on all work except the replacement motor sent from the factory stamped with my VIN. At this point in time I believe the 110 is still a work in progress. I have the 2007 FLHRSE3 Parts Catalog and Service Manual Supplement and I am registered to receive updates / ammendments for both the Parts Catalog and Service Manual, to date I have not received a single update.

Are you waiting for a new motor, if so, did you receive your it?

How do you do that?  Thanks!

[FLTRCVO]

How do you do that?  Thanks!

I registered for updates through HD when I purchased the catalog and manual not sure on the price, but it isn't free. I did the same with my 2001 FLTRI, I received updates 28 months after delivery of the 2001 bike.

[gremlush]

I had a long talk with John Andrews {freind} a couple days ago and he is sending me the 32 cams. Anyway ,we got to talking about the 255 cams and its specs. He said ,where did you get those specs from ? I said right out of the 2007 S.E. book. He said ,those are NOT the specs we are gringing those cams too ! Andrews is grinding S.E. cams again. He told me the specs on the 255 cams and they are a little better than whats in the book. If you want to know the specs ,call John. My bike is a springer {2007} built in June 2007 and it hauls ass ,2500-4500 rpm. Will be heading for the dyno soon, I have a contract with the local H-D shop, FREE. then will be putting in the 32 cams. He is also sending me the 54s for a stock 07 , 96" dresser.

[mr_magoo]

My new engine arrived today will drop the bike off tomorrow for the exchange.   

[FLTRCVO]

My new engine arrived today will drop the bike off tomorrow for the exchange.   

Very Good news. Good Luck

[miker]

 

Keep us posted please, best of luck.

Miker

[mr_magoo]

From what I understand this is not a revised motor, same part # as original 110 motor no A on the part #.

[skreminegul07]

From what I understand this is not a revised motor, same part # as original 110 motor no A on the part #.

Good luck. 

[FLTRCVO]

From what I understand this is not a revised motor, same part # as original 110 motor no A on the part #.

I know the flywheel has been modified in the new motors shipped in the last 3+ weeks. Placing an A after the part number for the entire motor would create a possible class action against the Motor Company, an admission of guilt of sorts, for creating a  motor that didn't measure up, thus, required replacement during the original 2 year CVO warranty. I can see modifications of internal parts being marked A. Make sure they stamp your original VIN on the new motor.

Just my opinion

[mr_magoo]

They have to stamp the VIN # at the factory.  And yes it was done.  Will be curious to see the new motor.

[skreminegul07]

They have to stamp the VIN # at the factory.  And yes it was done.  Will be curious to see the new motor.

Ditto. 

[StrahDawg]

Alright I'm now getting a little freaked out with all this talk of replacement motors. I bought my 2007 FXSTSSE in Nov of 06 I only have a little over 2000 miles and the only mods are the sert, Rinehart 2 into 1 exhaust and S&S single bore intake and knock on wood I have had no problems. When do you get these problems? Do I not have enough miles yet? Or do I need to drive longer distances? My first year of warranty is almost up and I'm wondering now if I should have the dealer test something, problem is I dont know what to have them test for and I dont want to look like an idiot and say I heard you had to replace alot of early 110 motors and I know mine is one just havent had the problems yet but can you check it anyway.

[FLTRCVO]

Alright I'm now getting a little freaked out with all this talk of replacement motors. I bought my 2007 FXSTSSE in Nov of 06 I only have a little over 2000 miles and the only mods are the sert, Rinehart 2 into 1 exhaust and S&S single bore intake and knock on wood I have had no problems. When do you get these problems? Do I not have enough miles yet? Or do I need to drive longer distances? My first year of warranty is almost up and I'm wondering now if I should have the dealer test something, problem is I dont know what to have them test for and I dont want to look like an idiot and say I heard you had to replace alot of early 110 motors and I know mine is one just havent had the problems yet but can you check it anyway.

Not to scare you the baggers have had gasket problems, o-ring problems, flywheel run out problems, rocker clearance problems, fuel guage problems, and speedo problems just to name a few issues with the 110.

[skreminegul07]

Not to scare you the baggers have had gasket problems, o-ring problems, flywheel run out problems, rocker clearance problems, fuel guage problems, and speedo problems just to name a few issues with the 110.

Don't forget the tranny noise and excessive heat, although all of the 2007+ customers get to share that.

I'd start looking at the rear head gasket now so you know what it looks like before it leaks.  It's just visisble as a slight brown discoloration on the rear gasket neat the exhaust port.  That's why I think there are many more out there leaking but do not know it yet.

Now is the time to decide if you want to get the extended warranty or not.

[grc]

Don't forget the tranny noise and excessive heat, although all of the 2007+ customers get to share that.

I'd start looking at the rear head gasket now so you know what it looks like before it leaks.  It's just visisble as a slight brown discoloration on the rear gasket neat the exhaust port.  That's why I think there are many more out there leaking but do not know it yet.

Now is the time to decide if you want to get the extended warranty or not.

That is probably very good advice, even for someone like myself who has always refused to pay extra for a service contract.  If I was in this situation, however, I would do some research to determine if there are other reputable companies  selling service contracts besides H-D.  It's bad enough that H-D has put this POS on the market and left the customers to deal with the fallout, but as far as I'm concerned it would be criminal to give those clowns even one more dollar in profit to insure against THEIR failures.  JMHO

Jerry

[miker]

Huzzah Jerry! Huzzah!  I am beating mine like a red-headed step child, even when I break it, I will not even bother with HD shop warranty...How much to ship a 110 to and from WPB, Fl?   

Miker

[StrahDawg]

Thanks for the info I heard of some heat problems but nothing this bad. Thank God my wife made me get the extended warranty.

[mr_magoo]

Got the bike back yesterday afternoon.  Went out and seated the rings and then went for a ride, this motor is very quiet NO top end noise.  Only did about 60 mile and the oil temp only got up to 230 so seem cooler. 

[Robmay]

Got the bike back yesterday afternoon.  Went out and seated the rings and then went for a ride, this motor is very quiet NO top end noise.  Only did about 60 mile and the oil temp only got up to 230 so seem cooler. 

Magoo,

Forgive for aasking the obvious........... I see in your sig line that your 2006 Cuse is gone and you now have an 08, is this new engine for the 2008 model??

Rob

[mr_magoo]

Yes the new engine went in the 08.

[Copper/Black Cvo]

It's Intersting reading threw this thread...

[mr_magoo]

Back from a few hundred mile ride and this thing is still so quiet and has good oil pressure.  Was rainy so never got warm.  Seem like a very strong stock motor.

[Mr. We]

Great to hear this good news that the new engine is seemingly a better version.

[AusieCVO]

My 07 Pumkins in getting her oil ring and head gasket done as well.

I am faced with the fact that we here in Australia miss out on so many of the features you guys have in the States makes me envious.
My bike went in 3 weeks ago. Originally the correct part was ordered but the incorrect part was supplied.. She sits on the Hoist with the heart ripped out of her... I really can't understand how it is that a company with a great reputation can make such HUGE mistakes in design.. I thought the 110s were supposed to be the “cream of the crop” when it came to Harley?.. or should it be more like curdled milk.

I requested a new motor but HD Sydney were non responsive... as usual.

Anyways our sage too continues....

I enquired about extended warranty.. none available in Australia... that shows great faith in their product.

Another factor that concerns me is the long term resale value of these bikes.

[Bonehead]

Awesome news on the new engine, keep us posted. Does the primary sound quieter also?

[skreminegul07]

As you know from reading my previous posts regarding my 110 motor, I received work orders on all work except the replacement motor sent from the factory stamped with my VIN. At this point in time I believe the 110 is still a work in progress. I have the 2007 FLHRSE3 Parts Catalog and Service Manual Supplement and I am registered to receive updates / ammendments for both the Parts Catalog and Service Manual, to date I have not received a single update.

Are you waiting for a new motor, if so, did you receive your it?

[/color]


Still waiting...................................

[UglyJohn]

New engine being installed now. I'll report back when I've got a few miles on her. I'm stoked to say the least. Dealer went to bat for me and settled only for a new motor this time around. Hopefully, it's a bit better engineered than the first one. I did have a very early date on the other motor. It was built in June 06.
UglyJohn

[9 1/2 Beers]

good luck,  my second motor was like night and day

[skreminegul07]

Motor installed.  All broke In (not Broken).  No noticable differences, except that it is running hotter.  Averaging 245 instead of 230.  Maybe it is still tight from being new.

I do have an issue with the neutral switch.

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=16792.0

[skreminegul07]

Three days, three rides, three hundred miles.  Ambient temperature 65-75 degrees.  All types of riding and temperature of the new motor is constant 245 degrees.  Hotter than original motor. 
Do you think temperature will drop after break in period?

Also, pulled the new plugs and there were small pieces of something on the ground electode that came off when touched.  One side of the plug electrode was white, one side tan.

Yes, I should have posted pictures.

I'll do pictures this week.

[sadunbar]

Three days, three rides, three hundred miles.  Ambient temperature 65-75 degrees.  All types of riding and temperature of the new motor is constant 245 degrees.  Hotter than original motor. 
Do you think temperature will drop after break in period?

Also, pulled the new plugs and there were small pieces of something on the ground electode that came off when touched.  One side of the plug electrode was white, one side tan.

Yes, I should have posted pictures.

I'll do pictures this week.

My motor (that is apart right now) ran about 210 when riding in the conditions you describe - riding 2 up (oil temp gage thermocouple mounted in the pan).  In 90 plus heat and riding 80 to 85 mpg, I might see 230.  Stop and go traffic would bring 245 - 260, but it came right back down once I cleared traffic.

[mr_magoo]

Well back from Reno the motor has about 2,000 miles on it and has just a slight lifter noise @ 2700 rpm's but it is very faint.  Am very happy with how it runs.  Leave in the morning headed back to Reno so Freedom can work on the bike,  having the yb14 cams installed along with the new exhaust and tuned with a SERT.  That shoukld wake up the motor.  Brad said it would lower the engine temp consideably.  They will have the bike for about a week, it's the 08 test bike.

[cdog]

What is the starting date for "new" versus old motors?  I mean, for example, are August built bikes equipped with new or old?

[skreminegul07]

What is the starting date for "new" versus old motors?  I mean, for example, are August built bikes equipped with new or old?

Not quite sure of your question.  I had an early 07 which had the silver SE110 badge on the heads.   Early  or late or even 08 have failed.  My replacement motor was a -A version, but that could be because of the updated head gaskets which didn't stop anything from leaking.

[Chief]

What is the starting date for "new" versus old motors?  I mean, for example, are August built bikes equipped with new or old?

As far as I've heard, there is no "New" motor. There was a new headgasket released earlier this year, April/May timeframe, but I've never seen anything indicating a "New" motor. I don't think it is logical to have a new part number for the entire motor every time an internal component changed. If that were the case, we'd have engine numbers ending with something like -07JSR.

It would be interesting to compare parts manuals between the 07 and 08 models to look at the parts lists.

[mr_magoo]

Picked up the 08 parts book yesterday,  what part #'s are you interested in?  I looked thru it and didn't see a whole lot of 08 part #'s.

[Chief]

Picked up the 08 parts book yesterday,  what part #'s are you interested in?  I looked thru it and didn't see a whole lot of 08 part #'s.

What would be most interesting would be to look at the parts list for the top end. A quick review for either -07* or -08 numbers would go a long way in identifying changes.

A quick test would be the head gaskets. 16801-07A? If they don't have at least that new number, then looking at the parts lists would be useless.

[sadunbar]

What would be most interesting would be to look at the parts list for the top end. A quick review for either -07* or -08 numbers would go a long way in identifying changes.

A quick test would be the head gaskets. 16801-07A? If they don't have at least that new number, then looking at the parts lists would be useless.

I would be interested to learn if the heads themselves have the same part number...

[Chief]

I would be interested to learn if the heads themselves have the same part number...

The front head will definietly have a new number because it now has to attach to the upper stabilizer link. I don't know about the rear head.

[gremlush]

Measured the NEW head gaskets yesterday = .040 thick and I don't know who makes them ,but they look like Cometic 3 layer. Talked to the dealer 'REP' his name is 'RED' and asked him about blown head gaskets on 110" . HE SAID. When you don't tighten the head bolts ,you blow a head gaskets !!!  I said what ? He said the factory has a TQ. machine {8 tq. wrenchs} that a person tq's down the heads with and if they are not paying attn. you can get a bad tq. reading !!! These
reps' most have to go to a school {politics} once a month ! I said why is it that when a dealer puts on the new set ,it blows again? He said ,can't talk about that !!!  I have been around H-D many years and in the EVO days ,H-D went thru many different head gasket suppliers. There were a few years that they were good ,then H-D got cheap and used the cheapest suppliers and had problems again. The 2006,2007,2008 heads {88" 96"} are great EXCEPT ,they use what I call a 'sportster' intake valve. Old 1999-2004 was 1.850 and the new is 1.804 ,way to small for a 96" motor ,BUT they can use the same valve in ALL motors,sportsters,twin cams. Just like the inner cam bearings , INA ,they used them in the trans for many years ,now the whole bike has INA's . Bla, Bla,etc. Trying to save a $1

[Unbalanced]

Gremlush,

At least you asked the right question, what about the dealers and the replacements we have gone through and in my case 4 sets.  Really would have like to have seen Red step up to the plate and given you a real answer instead of no comment or can't talk about it.    At a thousand miles with an alternative fix and so far no leaks.   

[gremlush]

I am putting in the Andrews 32H cams in my 2007 springer on Sunday. Will be doing a dyno run soon. You can see my dyno run {stock} in the springer section. Will be checking shaft run-out at that time also. I am very happy with this motor. I have ported 2 sets of these heads {110"} and they made awesome power. No welding ! I don't want to here about how these heads have a uneven combustion chamber and thats why they blow head gaskets ! You want to look at a uneven comb. chamber ,look at a EVO ! Hemi style except for a flat wall on one side and that is where your squish is ! How many EVO's are there on the road ,1 million ? I WILL TELL YOU WHY THEY BLOW GASKETS, 1st cheap gaskets, 2nd not enough material between stud and piston, and 3rd TOO MUCH HEAT. Why is it ,its alway the rear cyl ? TOO MUCH HEAT ! there were tests done on the EVO's ,the cylinders would stretch {get longer} by almost .060 when hot. That is alot !  Alumium loves to move !!! Been an aerospace machinist for many years.

[Unbalanced]

Grem,

Even with the material flexing as it gets hotter they should still be able to accomodate for the heat, and not have it be a continuous problem for the end user us.   I would still like to hear someone at the MoCo step up and say something about it other than we will look into it.   

When you ported these 2 sets that your talking about did you flow them on a bench?

[gremlush]

I fogot ,the 4th thing that is blowing head gaskets, compression ! My CVO manual says 200- 220 cranking comp.  People that have checked with releases off say 213 - 218 . That is ALOT of comp ! Put in a cam ,use Cometic head gaskets and tq. to Cometic specs ,and get a 'black box' to get your AF to around 13.5 - 1 and you wont have anymore problems. I have talked to 3 local shops ,Durango ,4 corners,santa fe and they have not had 1 head gaskets failure. Not yet anyway. What bothers me is that H-D say .012 runout is OK !  WOW !!!! will be checking mine Sunday.

[rednectum]

I fogot ,the 4th thing that is blowing head gaskets, compression ! My CVO manual says 200- 220 cranking comp.  People that have checked with releases off say 213 - 218 . That is ALOT of comp ! Put in a cam ,use Cometic head gaskets and tq. to Cometic specs ,and get a 'black box' to get your AF to around 13.5 - 1 and you wont have anymore problems. I have talked to 3 local shops ,Durango ,4 corners,santa fe and they have not had 1 head gaskets failure. Not yet anyway. What bothers me is that H-D say .012 runout is OK !  WOW !!!! will be checking mine Sunday.

man , i have been concerned about that 220 CCP. thought it was mistake or typo. did they build a motor for late closing cams and then stick smog cams in there, or just a serious design SNAFU?

[gremlush]

The 255 cam closes at 25 degrees. That WILL build compression ! Tommorro I am putting in the Andrews 32H { .570 lift } it closes at 46 and will bleed off some comp. These heads are CCing around 94-95 cc stock. 4" bore 4.375 stroke. You do the math. You can go on Kieth Black pistons or R-B racing web site and plug in those #s and it will tell you what your 'corrected' comp. is. 25 degree closeing !!!!

[patbowdy]

My new motor arrived last Tuesday. I dropped off the leaking bike. and was assured the bike would be ready by Friday. They also had the new transmission in for the noisy transmission problem. Well so much for good intentions. I called the dealer on Friday from the airport in chicago on the way home to Vermont and was told they had started the new motor and had no oil pressure. I called customer service and was told because I didn't have my case number to have a nice day and was put in the black hole for 20 minutes. I finally spoke to Phillip and was told he would have to call the dealer to get my service records. I explained that there was an open ticket to replace the engine and transmission and was told the ticket was closed. I also explained that the regional factory rep had authorized these parts.

Sometime between the time I called and when I arrived home the factory tech called my dealer to "help" them trouble shoot the problem. Everything they tried did not help. My dealer tech took the motor and trans out again and found a silicone plug in the return oil pasage in the transmission. It was jammed so far in the hole he had to pull the transmission to take it out in pieces.

So much for my new motor. now the $35000.00 question, do I let them put it back together and take my chances it wasn't killed by running it without oil pressure or demand a new motor?

[sadunbar]

My new motor arrived last Tuesday. I dropped off the leaking bike. and was assured the bike would be ready by Friday. They also had the new transmission in for the noisy transmission problem. Well so much for good intentions. I called the dealer on Friday from the airport in chicago on the way home to Vermont and was told they had started the new motor and had no oil pressure. I called customer service and was told because I didn't have my case number to have a nice day and was put in the black hole for 20 minutes. I finally spoke to Phillip and was told he would have to call the dealer to get my service records. I explained that there was an open ticket to replace the engine and transmission and was told the ticket was closed. I also explained that the regional factory rep had authorized these parts.

Sometime between the time I called and when I arrived home the factory tech called my dealer to "help" them trouble shoot the problem. Everything they tried did not help. My dealer tech took the motor and trans out again and found a silicone plug in the return oil pasage in the transmission. It was jammed so far in the hole he had to pull the transmission to take it out in pieces.

So much for my new motor. now the $35000.00 question, do I let them put it back together and take my chances it wasn't killed by running it without oil pressure or demand a new motor?

Who knows what else was done incorrectly with your "new" motor.  Without having been able to stand and watch them troubleshoot, who knows what all they might have done - without oil pressure.  Out of genuine concern and just plain principle, I would want a new motor.  It is not your fault they blew it...

JMO - Scott

[gremlush]

sorry to hear this ! This is getting ugly. The local dealer here said they had a 'bad' 96" with no oil pressure and H-D shipped a new motor. He said they shipped it in a cardboard box ! 2 of the fins on the cyl. were broken off among other damage. WOW

[Unbalanced]

I fogot ,the 4th thing that is blowing head gaskets, compression ! My CVO manual says 200- 220 cranking comp.  People that have checked with releases off say 213 - 218 . That is ALOT of comp ! Put in a cam ,use Cometic head gaskets and tq. to Cometic specs ,and get a 'black box' to get your AF to around 13.5 - 1 and you wont have anymore problems. I have talked to 3 local shops ,Durango ,4 corners,santa fe and they have not had 1 head gaskets failure. Not yet anyway. What bothers me is that H-D say .012 runout is OK !  WOW !!!! will be checking mine Sunday.

Sorry to disappoint you Grem, but doing what you suggest does not cure the problem.   I put the freedom cam yb14sec 07 in the 07 SEUC and still had 3 sets of the gaskets go bad.   That also included in a replacement rear cylinder and new compression release in the rear.   After that switched cam, and tried the suggestion of wes brown on my cylinders only a 1000 miles so far on this the 5th attempt to resolve the issue.

[rednectum]

Sorry to disappoint you Grem, but doing what you suggest does not cure the problem.   I put the freedom cam yb14sec 07 in the 07 SEUC and still had 3 sets of the gaskets go bad.   That also included in a replacement rear cylinder and new compression release in the rear.   After that switched cam, and tried the suggestion of wes brown on my cylinders only a 1000 miles so far on this the 5th attempt to resolve the issue.

what suggestions did wes make? what was CCP after the freedom cams?

[gremlush]

One more thing that 'rep' said , when I asked him about the head gaskets problem , he said they had some 'casting' problems early on. He would not explain. If the cyl. is not machined at a true 90 degree  ,you will blow gaskets. There are some people with 20,000+ miles on these  motors with no problems. One shaft is within .001 and the next one is .030+ out of round. In the old days,there were some really good running EVO's ,we called them 65s ,because they would make 65+ hp. stock {1988-1991} good cam. H-D has never been know for consittisy. Bad spell ! If I was to blow head gaskets ,I would take my cyl. off and chuck them up in a lathe {4 jaw chuck} and indicate the bore ,top an bottom to make sure it is 0 ,then indicate the face ,gasket surface, it has to be 0 ,or machine it so it is. You can 'lap' the bottom of the cyl. {spigot} with a doughnut, {round piece of stock with grooves in it to hold the compound,and surface ground on both sides} only takes 2-3 minutes to 'lap' that in.

[skreminegul07]

One more thing that 'rep' said , when I asked him about the head gaskets problem , he said they had some 'casting' problems early on. He would not explain. If the cyl. is not machined at a true 90 degree  ,you will blow gaskets. There are some people with 20,000+ miles on these  motors with no problems. One shaft is within .001 and the next one is .030+ out of round. In the old days,there were some really good running EVO's ,we called them 65s ,because they would make 65+ hp. stock {1988-1991} good cam. H-D has never been know for consittisy. Bad spell ! If I was to blow head gaskets ,I would take my cyl. off and chuck them up in a lathe {4 jaw chuck} and indicate the bore ,top an bottom to make sure it is 0 ,then indicate the face ,gasket surface, it has to be 0 ,or machine it so it is. You can 'lap' the bottom of the cyl. {spigot} with a doughnut, {round piece of stock with grooves in it to hold the compound,and surface ground on both sides} only takes 2-3 minutes to 'lap' that in.

This is what I believe also, but that was until a member posted that his motor replaced two months ago is also leaking.  Wouldn't the purge stock and check for bad parts with an epidemic like this? Manufacturing is not a new thing is trhis country.  Think about how the chinese would handle this?  They would execute some executives.  In the US we give options and bonuses for saving money.

Let's not forget that a rider in Kentucky was killed on an 07 SERK when it locked during the labor dayweekend last month.  According to others there, they heard the motor go and whell lock up on the highway.

[Twolanerider]

Let's not forget that a rider in Kentucky was killed on an 07 SERK when it locked during the labor dayweekend last month.  According to others there, they heard the motor go and whell lock up on the highway.

Had missed that news.  So one of the 110s finally did kill a rider?  It's unfortunate and terribly sad of course.  But not in any way beyond belief or even expectation.  In fact it was only a matter of time. 

Going down the road at highway speeds on two wheels demands an expectation of manufacturing that both wheels will stay rolling.  The manufacturer's obligation is that both wheels will stay rolling.  At the end of the day we really don't ask for more than that.  Just don't kill us. 

Continuing to sell and not service a fleet of engines in motocycles with known problems is little different than pointing a pistol and cocking the hammer on a weapon with a known flawed trigger assembly.  Eventually one of them will go off.  A flawed engine in a bike makes that bike no longer a motorcycle.  A flawed engine in a bike makes that bike a weapon pointed squarely and knowingly by HD at HD's consumer.

Now, above and beyond everything else that Harley's attitudes and arrogance presage for us as riders, more than ridiculous things like bad paint they make owners almost fight to fix over a period of months and months (and months and months and months), more than obscene accessory pricing and embarassingly poor service sites they could care less about, more than too obviously just not giving a damn; now rather than either ground a selling effort for an engine fleet with a known problem or doing everything necessary to fix that problem they are actually willing to kill us.

And it's not like we didn't see it coming......

Don't mean to make light at all of what so many of the 06 guys went through.  But this is worse.  Bad paint would only make you sick to your stomach.  One of these 110s is going to kill someone.

[hard10]

This is what I believe also, but that was until a member posted that his motor replaced two months ago is also leaking.  Wouldn't the purge stock and check for bad parts with an epidemic like this? Manufacturing is not a new thing is trhis country.  Think about how the chinese would handle this?  They would execute some executives.  In the US we give options and bonuses for saving money.

Let's not forget that a rider in Kentucky was killed on an 07 SERK when it locked during the labor dayweekend last month.  According to others there, they heard the motor go and whell lock up on the highway.

Is there anyway to confirm this? A newspaper article on the accident even if it does not mention the cause?

[patbowdy]

Does someone have a confirmation on this, news article or police report?

[hard10]

I did an internet search for known HD recalls and problems:

"Harley-Davidson is recalling 18,784 MY 2006-2007 XL1200L and 2007 XL1200N motorcycles. These motorcycles were built with a condition whereby the pant leg of some riders can have direct contact with the exhaust pipe. This condition could cause the pant leg to char or burn, which could lead to the possibility of injury to the rider. Dealers will add a new exhaust shield which provides additional coverage of the exhaust pipe. The recall began on July 12, 2007. 07V-296"

"Harley-Davidson is recalling 2,403 MY 2006 VRSCR motorcycles. Some motorcycles were built with a condition whereby the pant leg of some riders can have direct contact with the exhaust pipe. This condition could cause the pant leg to char or burn, which could lead to the possibility of injury to the rider. Dealers will add a new heat shield, p/n 66820-06, which provides additional coverage of the exhaust pipe. The recall began on July 12, 2007. 07V-303"

[skreminegul07]

Does someone have a confirmation on this, news article or police report?

I got the info from member bpalmersheim.  It was labor day weekend and the rider's friend lost a log.  Bpalmersheim knows these people.  I did a search and found the article, but I cannot find it right now. 

[Twolanerider]

I got the info from member bpalmersheim.  It was labor day weekend and the rider's friend lost a log.  Bpalmersheim knows these people.  I did a search and found the article, but I cannot find it right now. 

Just checked the logs publicly kept by the Kentucy state patrol and found only one motorcycle fatality listed covered as far back as the beginning of September.  It involved a Buell and is reported here: http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/posts/press/2007/post11_pr10_02_07.htm

State patrol log is here: http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/feed.xml

Can only assume that incidents not responded to by the State patrol would not be listed.

While normally I choose to be a stickler for information and data confirmation the general suggestion here still holds true though.  We know what happens when an engine locks up on a bike.  We also know that, even among our own small group here, there have been 110s who because of known to be recurrent failures have locked up.  Fortunately among our own group here the injuries have been minor here; so far.  That's only good fortune though.

Sooner or later repetitive engine failures within a fleet of engines on a motorcycle will kill someone.

[patbowdy]

Thanks, TWOLANERIDER. I was just trying to position myself better when I confront them on Tuesday.

[MJZ]

While at the dealership yesterday afternoon, there were quite a few people talking about MoCo stopping the manufacturing of the 110 motors. Don't know if this was just a rumor flying around or based on fact but if it is true, I am glad to hear they are at least doing something.
Also some people said they knew of people that had been contacted about a class action suit. This is kinda sorta like my neighbors friends uncles dogs sisters owner said but news of the problems with the 110 has spread much farther than just CVO'ers now.

[HogBreath]

Mark, We want to know how Elvis is coming along. Sorry for the thread hi-jack.

[SBB]

Mark, We want to know how Elvis is coming along. Sorry for the thread hi-jack.

I'm with H/B, tell us about Elvis

All that 110 stuff, kinda makes me glad those 00's, 01's, 02's, 03's, 04's, 05's and 06's are out there just waiting to be snatched up!

 

[skreminegul07]

While at the dealership yesterday afternoon, there were quite a few people talking about MoCo stopping the manufacturing of the 110 motors. Don't know if this was just a rumor flying around or based on fact but if it is true, I am glad to hear they are at least doing something.
Also some people said they knew of people that had been contacted about a class action suit. This is kinda sorta like my neighbors friends uncles dogs sisters owner said but news of the problems with the 110 has spread much farther than just CVO'ers now.

You mean we'll have a collectible on our hands? 

[hard10]

While at the dealership yesterday afternoon, there were quite a few people talking about MoCo stopping the manufacturing of the 110 motors. Don't know if this was just a rumor flying around or based on fact but if it is true, I am glad to hear they are at least doing something.
Also some people said they knew of people that had been contacted about a class action suit. This is kinda sorta like my neighbors friends uncles dogs sisters owner said but news of the problems with the 110 has spread much farther than just CVO'ers now.

Well, I guess this could throw a monkey wrench into things.

I wonder what the outcome will be? Replacement motors for all? Total recall? Only replace those that have experienced problems?

This is another fine example of how powerful this site can be. Just today I found the "Elbow Grease" thread, a promotion that has not been offered by my dealer even though I mentioned that I thought I had heard of some discount. Just goes to show how great this place is.

[MJZ]

Well, I did snap a few pictures yesterday. Ever seen a naked picture of Elvis?

[MJZ]

He definitely has his pants down.

[SBB]

He definitely has his pants down.

OMG Mark

Please don't let BB see these pictures.
He will have a stroke!
What in the world are you having done to a bike that has everything?

 

[MJZ]

Elvis is waiting on a part from Baker that was shipped several weeks ago. I understand, as of Friday they reordered and had the part over-nighted. I am not upset because there is only 1 wrench I will let work on my bikes and he is snowed under. In fact, he is about 6 -8 weeks out for appointments and I have always dropped off and told him get to it when he can, since I always have other rides and I feel people with break downs of their only bike should take preference.

[Twolanerider]

OMG Mark

Please don't let BB see these pictures.
He will have a stroke!
What in the world are you having done to a bike that has everything?

 

Good grief MJ.  What Chip said!

What in the world are you having done to Elvis?  There is more than just moto-lights going on there.

Spider, buddy, find your meds man.  It's all just a dream!

[gremlush]

I put the Andrews 32H cams in my springer today {less than 3 hours} and removed the top rocker box so I could use my stock pushrods {light} and the valve springs were VERY close to the bottom box ! One was touching a little but this motor has been VERY quiet. Anyway ,shaft run-out was .002 ! Everything in the cam area looked good,oil pump ,no wear on the tensioner shoes {2500 miles} etc. Pulled the cam cover off without taking the ex. pipe off. Ran out of time,will fire it tommorro. I was very happy about the .002 run out  ! Been happier if it was .001 , but still happy. Putting in new cams in these 07-08s  is very easy and quick. You can problably do it in 2 hours if you use adj. pushrods. Will problably dyno next weekend. Dewey

[rednectum]

I put the Andrews 32H cams in my springer today {less than 3 hours} and removed the top rocker box so I could use my stock pushrods {light} and the valve springs were VERY close to the bottom box ! One was touching a little but this motor has been VERY quiet. Anyway ,shaft run-out was .002 ! Everything in the cam area looked good,oil pump ,no wear on the tensioner shoes {2500 miles} etc. Pulled the cam cover off without taking the ex. pipe off. Ran out of time,will fire it tommorro. I was very happy about the .002 run out  ! Been happier if it was .001 , but still happy. Putting in new cams in these 07-08s  is very easy and quick. You can problably do it in 2 hours if you use adj. pushrods. Will problably dyno next weekend. Dewey

same amount of time for adjustables, and nobody wants quick installs in their bike.

[SE08RK]

I put the Andrews 32H cams in my springer today {less than 3 hours} and removed the top rocker box so I could use my stock pushrods {light} and the valve springs were VERY close to the bottom box ! One was touching a little but this motor has been VERY quiet. Anyway ,shaft run-out was .002 ! Everything in the cam area looked good,oil pump ,no wear on the tensioner shoes {2500 miles} etc. Pulled the cam cover off without taking the ex. pipe off. Ran out of time,will fire it tommorro. I was very happy about the .002 run out  ! Been happier if it was .001 , but still happy. Putting in new cams in these 07-08s  is very easy and quick. You can problably do it in 2 hours if you use adj. pushrods. Will problably dyno next weekend. Dewey

If the cam base circle diameter is within .020 of the stock cam dimension and the rockers are correct, you can use stock push-rods anyhow for the weight reduction. Or, you can make that measurement and have a set of solid push-rods made to the proper spec. The rocker geometry can be accounted for with a tiny bit of extra assembly/disassembly as well but they should be appropriately shaped geometrically for the TC in the first place... There is a lot to be said about NOT using adjustable push-rods.

[gremlush]

I have been doing this stuff for a LONG time ! Porting H-D heads since 1978 and I tell my customers to use S.E. "perect fit'  -.030 or -.060 instead of adj. why ? They are alot lighter and NEVER come loose. The 32 cams had indentical base circles. You will know when one comes loose , lots of clatter and motor drops to one cylinder in 30 seconds !

[TN]

my new engine pt # 19176-07A.

they tried to fix prior with new cyl studs, cyl, rings, and gaskets.
reason stated to me for engine replacement was lower case o-ring not seating.

mi @ 13444, have logged 300mi er so and all seems well, engine at stock config.


Ride ON

TN

[cdog]

Let's not forget that a rider in Kentucky was killed on an 07 SERK when it locked during the labor dayweekend last month.  According to others there, they heard the motor go and whell lock up on the highway.

Look, people have to stop saying this kind of thing....

ANY motor on ANY vehicle can have a catastropic failure that causes it to lock up/seize.   A Ferrari, a helicopter, a Vespa -- they can all lock up their motors.  What happens?  Well, the cars spin, the helicopter starts heading down, and the Vespa...um I dont know...wrecks maybe.  Maybe going too slow to actually wreck.

The point is that any HD (or Honda, Suzuki, etc.) bike can blow its motor, instantly lock its wheel, and kill the rider.  It is VERY RARE.  This has always been a known risk of motorcycling (or driving a manual car, or a helicopter, etc.) 

The extremists on here have everyone scared to ride their bikes for fear of a freakin' lockup, when the odds against that are huge...  Way slimmer than your odds of being flattened by a minivan.

So, please layoff the "blew up, locked up, and killed him" stuff, especially since we can't even confirm any cases of motor failure actually causing a wreck on a 96 or 110.

 

[Twolanerider]

So, please layoff the "blew up, locked up, and killed him" stuff, especially since we can't even confirm any cases of motor failure actually causing a wreck on a 96 or 110.

 

CD, first person accounts are all we have here.  The anecdotal second person account cited above is nothing more than that.  But there are at least two first person accounts from members here who have suffered lockups that caused spills.  Short of solid documentary evidence or actually seeing it happen one's self one can't know for sure of course.  But as well as we can know anything here we "know" it's happened at least those two times.

Fortunately the injuries related to each were never described as major.  One moderate and one relatively light.  Those are products of circumstance and not feats of engineering though.  The accidents could just as easily have happened on a curve against a deep ravine as they might on a flat spot going slow.

Most everyone here rides; and not just a little.  Everyone knows the risks we take EVERY time we hop on the saddle.  It is not too much to ask that this risk not be made even minimally greater by poor design or implementation.  Engines that fail, potentially catastrophically, at a rate at all greater than the statistical norm are an increase in that risk. 

It's not a scare tactic of any kind to discuss the realities of the matter.  It is, simply, a discussion.  It is unfortunate that the realities seem to be what they are.  But you can count on the fact that, at site whose reason for being is discussion, discussion will take place.

[SE08RK]

Amen to that! The primary concern here when riding is "what the heck are those other nuts on the highway going to do this time", not "is my engine going to lock up"? And yes, discussion is the object with these forums, not chest beating or being thin skinned! Lower lip quivering during a debate is grounds for disqualification!

[skreminegul07]

Look, people have to stop saying this kind of thing....

ANY motor on ANY vehicle can have a catastropic failure that causes it to lock up/seize.   A Ferrari, a helicopter, a Vespa -- they can all lock up their motors.  What happens?  Well, the cars spin, the helicopter starts heading down, and the Vespa...um I dont know...wrecks maybe.  Maybe going too slow to actually wreck.

The point is that any HD (or Honda, Suzuki, etc.) bike can blow its motor, instantly lock its wheel, and kill the rider.  It is VERY RARE.  This has always been a known risk of motorcycling (or driving a manual car, or a helicopter, etc.) 

The extremists on here have everyone scared to ride their bikes for fear of a freakin' lockup, when the odds against that are huge...  Way slimmer than your odds of being flattened by a minivan.

So, please layoff the "blew up, locked up, and killed him" stuff, especially since we can't even confirm any cases of motor failure actually causing a wreck on a 96 or 110.

 

Any motor can lock up, but I believe that everyone of these excessive crank runout motors documented on this site would go that route in short order.  I can't back it up with numbers, but it seems that for the number of 110 motors represented here, the odds are above the expected for a catastrophic motor failure.   IMHO.

[grc]

Look, people have to stop saying this kind of thing....

ANY motor on ANY vehicle can have a catastropic failure that causes it to lock up/seize.   A Ferrari, a helicopter, a Vespa -- they can all lock up their motors.  What happens?  Well, the cars spin, the helicopter starts heading down, and the Vespa...um I dont know...wrecks maybe.  Maybe going too slow to actually wreck.

The point is that any HD (or Honda, Suzuki, etc.) bike can blow its motor, instantly lock its wheel, and kill the rider.  It is VERY RARE.  This has always been a known risk of motorcycling (or driving a manual car, or a helicopter, etc.)  
The extremists on here have everyone scared to ride their bikes for fear of a freakin' lockup, when the odds against that are huge...  Way slimmer than your odds of being flattened by a minivan.

So, please layoff the "blew up, locked up, and killed him" stuff, especially since we can't even confirm any cases of motor failure actually causing a wreck on a 96 or 110.

 

I would like to suggest that while it used to be very rare, it obviously is much less rare with the '07 H-D.  This forum reflects the experiences of just a tiny percentage of all  Harley riders, and yet we have at least two first person reports on this site of engines locking up and causing a crash.  On top of that, there have been others who just had their engines quit running while running down the highway due to ACR failures, or who lost oil pressure and shut the engine down prior to it locking up.  These types of failures are also dangerous if you suddenly lose power and mobility in heavy traffic.

You can look at a situation like this in several ways.  Some would say we need to publicize and hammer at the issues to force the MoCo to address them, as well as to warn potential victims customers of the possibilities.  Obviously, others seem to think we should shut up, drink the Kool-Aid, and let the potential victims customers venture forth into the world of Harley with blinders on.  All I can tell you is that I appreciate knowing about these potential problems before the fact.  Assuming I had lost my mind and traded for an '07, knowing the engine had an increased risk of lockup would cause me to be more aware of changes in operating characteristics.  It would also allow me to modify my riding style to include always riding with my fingers on the clutch lever.  And if publicizing all of this causes some to pass on buying the MoCo's latest flawed offering, so be it.  If enough people quit accepting this kind of product quality, perhaps the complacency and arrogance in Milwaukee could be shaken enough to result in improvements for all concerned.

BTW - if you go back a few years in the archives, you won't find engines locking up due to defective crankshafts being discussed.  However, you will find plenty of conversation about high speed wobbles which also caused a few crashes.  Those discussions prompted some to seek modifications to eliminate the wobbles, and others to adjust their riding styles to avoid the issue.  I like to think those discussions may have helped save one or more people from a very painful experience, or worse.

Jerry

[9 1/2 Beers]

grc

i could not agree with you more, i think unless you have experienced this 07 fiasco and have it become a part of your life,  you really don't know how bad it could be.  if i thought for a moment, that my post would help a brother or sister from  being hurt.   i would write more then i have.

i think harley has a lot of balls putting loyal customers on a bike that they know have engine flaws !!!

[VAZHOG]

grc

i could not agree with you more, i think unless you have experienced this 07 fiasco and have it become a part of your life,  you really don't know how bad it could be.  if i thought for a moment, that my post would help a brother or sister from  being hurt.   i would write more then i have.

i think harley has a lot of balls putting loyal customers on a bike that they know have engine flaws !!!

HD has that worked out by actuarials You won't live long enough to be a repeat customer much less loyal.

[mr_magoo]

Well bike went back to the shop yesterday.  Motor making a lot of noise and has vibration again.  I think it's the compensator nut loose or so I hope.  If it's the crank it went fast less than 2,000 miles since Freedom did the work and said run out was .002 and it was a nice tight motor.

[Rooster]

Sorry to hear about this, just when you think it's right. Keep us posted, hopefully short down time as riding time is getting short for us.

[courter]

Well bike went back to the shop yesterday.  Motor making a lot of noise and has vibration again.  I think it's the compensator nut loose or so I hope.  If it's the crank it went fast less than 2,000 miles since Freedom did the work and said run out was .002 and it was a nice tight motor.

Just when I was starting to feel reassured that the problems are working out... Hope it is just something simple.  Please post when you find out what the problem is!

[mr_magoo]

I think it's just the comp nut.  Was ruuning great till this happened.

[AusieCVO]

At 1500 miles, my pumpkin had a new Head gasket and Base gasket replaced (Initial leak was from the base gasket).
Now at 3700 miles we have another leak, but his time it is the head gasket, both leaks have occurred on the rear cylinder.

What a damn joke this has become. The moco's really need to pull their fingers out of their proverbial rear ends and fix this problem up.

As a result of harder times, is there a falling back to the old AMF days, where buying a Harley implied that you were also buying leaks of oil.

What can be done, are they waiting for natural attrition of the bikes, I think we are all fairly well experienced in riding and our bikes are going to be around for a long time yet, prayerfully I hope there won't be any mishaps for any of us.

"The oil leaks are not common" was a comment I had from a dealer, yes I agreed with him...then added, allowing for the fact that there are only 17 FLHTCUSE2's here in Australia, but that doesn't discount the fact that the leaks are still occurring on a regular basis with many of the CUSE's

So far I have heard that there are machining problems, to actual movements that are causing the leaks, is there any definite reason for the leaks that you all might know of?

Two things I would like to also pose is, what happens when the warranty runs out and the leaks keep on re-appearing, who covers the cost of this?

Cheers

Ride Safe

Stuart

[DESERTBEAR54]

Well reading all the issues with the 110 motor and what I have to look forward to with my 08 SEUC which I purchased in Oct 07 it might be time to downsize to a 96 and keep it simple. Reading all the problems and headaches and not to mention the big coverups from Mother Harley it sounds like the easy and softer solution to do. 

[mr_magoo]

Make you wonder just what they are trying to cover up.

[Robmay]

I think it's just the comp nut.  Was ruuning great till this happened.

Magoo,

did I miss something again?? 

What was the problem with the vibration?

[arcticdude]

2 thoughts,

1)Sorry to dispell your thoughts mr magoo, but the 07's (for certain) and probably 08's don't have comp nuts, they have bolts.

2)96 TC's run just as hot as the 110's and will probably have the same problems, though they may take more time to develop due to less output.  So "downgrading" to a 96 may not solve any problems.  You may need an evo.

[TN]

Well reading all the issues with the 110 motor and what I have to look forward to with my 08 SEUC which I purchased in Oct 07 it might be time to downsize to a 96 and keep it simple. Reading all the problems and headaches and not to mention the big coverups from Mother Harley it sounds like the easy and softer solution to do. 

[darreldanger]

New engine being installed now. I'll report back when I've got a few miles on her. I'm stoked to say the least. Dealer went to bat for me and settled only for a new motor this time around. Hopefully, it's a bit better engineered than the first one. I did have a very early date on the other motor. It was built in June 06.
UglyJohn

Your dealer went to bat for you??? 

[chevyhd]

A quick summary of my ordeal with my 07 flhtcuse.  Problems started in 12/06, 3500 miles, oil leaks.  New motor #1 finally installed at 7500 miles in 04/07, motor finally junk, bearing out 70 thousandths!!  More oil leaks started in 09/07, 14000 miles.  Motor #2 being installed now and will pick it up 1/03/08, 16900 miles.  2nd motor started with leak at base of rear cylinder, next was the rear head gasket, same as original engine.  Factory sent second motor without tearing down the 1st replacement so I do not know about the bearing run out.  Numerous other problems. Took delivery in sept 06.  Added up total shop time since I have owned it and I am around 50 days!!!  I regret ever buying this thing, in my opinion the 110 is junk. 

[mr_magoo]

Welcome to the site sorry to here about all your issues. 

[amigo Jorge]

A quick summary of my ordeal with my 07 flhtcuse.  Problems started in 12/06, 3500 miles, oil leaks.  New motor #1 finally installed at 7500 miles in 04/07, motor finally junk, bearing out 70 thousandths!!  More oil leaks started in 09/07, 14000 miles.  Motor #2 being installed now and will pick it up 1/03/08, 16900 miles.  2nd motor started with leak at base of rear cylinder, next was the rear head gasket, same as original engine.  Factory sent second motor without tearing down the 1st replacement so I do not know about the bearing run out.  Numerous other problems. Took delivery in sept 06.  Added up total shop time since I have owned it and I am around 50 days!!!  I regret ever buying this thing, in my opinion the 110 is junk. 

And still the MoCo doesn't accept that this problem even exist!!.......So I have prepared when the problem arise in my Springer.......really sorry what happened to you...

[Hugh Janis]

A quick summary of my ordeal with my 07 flhtcuse.  Problems started in 12/06, 3500 miles, oil leaks.  New motor #1 finally installed at 7500 miles in 04/07, motor finally junk, bearing out 70 thousandths!!  More oil leaks started in 09/07, 14000 miles.  Motor #2 being installed now and will pick it up 1/03/08, 16900 miles.  2nd motor started with leak at base of rear cylinder, next was the rear head gasket, same as original engine.  Factory sent second motor without tearing down the 1st replacement so I do not know about the bearing run out.  Numerous other problems. Took delivery in sept 06.  Added up total shop time since I have owned it and I am around 50 days!!!  I regret ever buying this thing, in my opinion the 110 is junk. 

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how'd you like the play?"

The bike still rocks doesn't it?

[UglyJohn]

Your dealer went to bat for you??? 

Yep! That's just what I said. I've heard some of same issues where other dealers told their customer to pound sand or say "That's just normal". No I'm not saying I have never had issues with my dealer, who hasn't. But, overall, I'm good.
Ugly John