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[Shovelhead Bob]

This is an EXCERPT from a recently released Tech Tip.... This is strictly for informational purposes....


This concerns the recently released version of EFI Race Tuner (part #32107-01H) which includes the software disc, version 476(part # 32117-01L).
It has just been determined that it is not compatible with ECM part # 32852-08A; this will impact its use on any 2008 VRSC, Dyna and Softail Models that use this ECM. At this time the -08A ECM should be limited to use on CVO models, but it is suggested you verify the ECM part # prior to installing EFI Tuner. Currently the software is compatible with 32852-08 and 2008 XL and Touring ECM’s. Additionally the software has been tested to work on
models with ECM part # 32534-05C, which is the service replacement ECM for 2001-2008 models.
Tech Service does have 2 EFI Tuner Calibrations that will work with this -08A ECM. If you have a vehicle with the -08A ECM and you are installing an EFI Tuner, you will need to open the attachments to this Tech Tip and Save the 2 files on your computer.
It has also been determined that the new software, version 476 has issues communicating with ECM part # 32534-05; it may quit installing at 20%. The solution is to reinstall software version 462 for this ECM. This issue is only known to effect the -05 ECM, the -05A/B/C are not affected. Again, verifying ECM part # prior to installing EFI Tuner is the best practice.
The issue does not lie within the ECM, they are not faulty, and we ask that you do not replace them to correct this issue. Any ECM’s returned to warranty that are found to be functioning correctly will be rejected.

[rednectum]

now thats what forums are about!!

great tip, thanks for the heads up, you just saved lots of headaches!!

[Fired00d]

Thanks for sharing the information.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[mr_magoo]

Great info.  That must be what hoist was talking about when he mentioned an "L" version of the race tuner.  It's the disc thats marked L not the SERT part #. 

[Rhino]

Hey- Did Harley just hire a techical writer from Microsoft or Hewlett Packard?  Heheh.

This concerns the recently released version of EFI Race Tuner (part #32107-01H) which includes the software disc, version 476(part # 32117-01L).
It has just been determined that it is not compatible with ECM part # 32852-08A; this will impact its use on any 2008 VRSC, Dyna and Softail Models that use this ECM. At this time the -08A ECM should be limited to use on CVO models, but it is suggested you verify the ECM part # prior to installing EFI Tuner. Currently the software is compatible with 32852-08 and 2008 XL and Touring ECM’s. Additionally the software has been tested to work on
models with ECM part # 32534-05C, which is the service replacement ECM for 2001-2008 models.
Tech Service does have 2 EFI Tuner Calibrations that will work with this -08A ECM. If you have a vehicle with the -08A ECM and you are installing an EFI Tuner, you will need to open the attachments to this Tech Tip and Save the 2 files on your computer.
It has also been determined that the new software, version 476 has issues communicating with ECM part # 32534-05; it may quit installing at 20%. The solution is to reinstall software version 462 for this ECM. This issue is only known to effect the -05 ECM, the -05A/B/C are not affected. Again, verifying ECM part # prior to installing EFI Tuner is the best practice.
The issue does not lie within the ECM, they are not faulty, and we ask that you do not replace them to correct this issue. Any ECM’s returned to warranty that are found to be functioning correctly will be rejected.

[hogasm]

This is an EXCERPT from a recently released Tech Tip.... This is strictly for informational purposes....


This concerns the recently released version of EFI Race Tuner (part #32107-01H) which includes the software disc, version 476(part # 32117-01L).
It has just been determined that it is not compatible with ECM part # 32852-08A; this will impact its use on any 2008 VRSC, Dyna and Softail Models that use this ECM. At this time the -08A ECM should be limited to use on CVO models, but it is suggested you verify the ECM part # prior to installing EFI Tuner. Currently the software is compatible with 32852-08 and 2008 XL and Touring ECM’s. Additionally the software has been tested to work on
models with ECM part # 32534-05C, which is the service replacement ECM for 2001-2008 models.
Tech Service does have 2 EFI Tuner Calibrations that will work with this -08A ECM. If you have a vehicle with the -08A ECM and you are installing an EFI Tuner, you will need to open the attachments to this Tech Tip and Save the 2 files on your computer.
It has also been determined that the new software, version 476 has issues communicating with ECM part # 32534-05; it may quit installing at 20%. The solution is to reinstall software version 462 for this ECM. This issue is only known to effect the -05 ECM, the -05A/B/C are not affected. Again, verifying ECM part # prior to installing EFI Tuner is the best practice.
The issue does not lie within the ECM, they are not faulty, and we ask that you do not replace them to correct this issue. Any ECM’s returned to warranty that are found to be functioning correctly will be rejected.

shovelhead, will you need to have a Breakout Box part # HD-48637 to install any aditional software updates or for installing an EFI tuner to an 08 ECM.

Seems like Harley is trying to kill the aftermarket business.

Important Notice: The new connector can be installed backward. If the large brass pin is not properly aligned, the connector could be damaged and require a new wiring harness.
Which harness is damaged? If it is the bikes harness, and the tech fuc_ s up, will they put the blame on someone who has added an aftermarket tuner?   Be Careful!!

[rednectum]

hogasm, please tell more about the breakout box. is it for interface? security bypass?

so far, sounds like the holy grail will be the first aftermarket tunable ECM fo 08.

[hogasm]

hogasm, please tell more about the breakout box. is it for interface? security bypass?

so far, sounds like the holy grail will be the first aftermarket tunable ECM fo 08.

There are actually 2 breakout boxes so far. One for the ABS brakes and the other that allows the tech at the dealer to attach the DT II to your 08 scoot.

As soon as your 08 is connected to the DT II big brother knows if your scoot has been modified or not.

Going to learn more about both boxes today.   Keep you informed.

[SBB]

Hey- Did Harley just hire a techical writer from Microsoft or Hewlett Packard?  Heheh.

It least it's better than some idiot that has heard it from the local speed shop and then adds their spin on it and then post it as their info. When you get a "excerpt from a recently released tech tip" from a qualified H/D Tech it is certainly appreciated.

Thanks S/Bob your contribution is very helpful!


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[hogasm]

HD-48637 breakout box is just a glorified name for an adapter harness to hook up the DT II to an 08 scoot, since the harness has been changed.

We tried today to use this harness and connect it to a power commander. Remember that we knew that the wireless throttle would not work.

The ECM went into security mode and until we unpluged everything and hooked the scoot back up to the DT II to get it out of security mode.


Aftermarket guys are going to love having to redesign parts for these 08's.

[djkak]

.....please tell more about the breakout box. is it for interface? security bypass?.....

The Breakout box plugs into a wiring harness and allows non intrusive probing of the harness by a Multimeter. The Car Guys have used them for decades; H-D Techs have used them for nearly 15 years.

There is probably a photo of one in the Tools section of the Service or Electrical Diagnostic Manual.

djkak

[Shovelhead Bob]

shovelhead, will you need to have a Breakout Box part # HD-48637 to install any aditional software updates or for installing an EFI tuner to an 08 ECM.

Seems like Harley is trying to kill the aftermarket business.

Important Notice: The new connector can be installed backward. If the large brass pin is not properly aligned, the connector could be damaged and require a new wiring harness.
Which harness is damaged? If it is the bikes harness, and the tech fuc_ s up, will they put the blame on someone who has added an aftermarket tuner?   Be Careful!!

What are you talking about??

This has NOTHING to do with the Pin-Outs of the ECM's....

It has to do with the SERT software compatabilities with the -08 ECM's...

Please RE-READ the original posting.....

I have attatched the 2 maps that must be installed in the SERT "L" map library.....

[hd-dude]

ShovelHead Bob;
Is there a part number stamped on the ECM's to confirm? In the past part numbers were not always on them.

PS; Thanks for the info

[Shovelhead Bob]

ShovelHead Bob;
Is there a part number stamped on the ECM's to confirm? In the past part numbers were not always on them.

PS; Thanks for the info

Part Numbers are stored internally, and there is a sequence code on the ECM Housing....

The PN is "normally" on the back side of the ECM, not the ribbed or exposed sides....

Haven't had the seperate an 08 Touring ECM from it's cable yet...

[mr_magoo]

The "H" version worked on the 08.  Freedom just finished tuning my 08 with a SERT and got 108 & 114, will post the dyno sheet when I get back.

[hogasm]

The "H" version worked on the 08.  Freedom just finished tuning my 08 with a SERT and got 108 & 114, will post the dyno sheet when I get back.

Magoo, yesterday after being bashed by SB I told the tech that is teaching me to use the DT II. So he had a new 08 bike that the customer wants breather, new pipes, and a SERT installed. Only SERT on shelf was the 32107001H.

We installed the H SERT on the bike and the throttle went wide open. So we proceded to use the multimeter that is used in conjunction with the breakout box and is tied into the DT II, to see why this happened. Code for faulty control module

Unhooked the SERT and re ran the troubleshooting procedure, and everything worked perfectly.

Back to what SB said, the problem with the throttle going wide open could be related to the two software updates that he mentioned. Problem with doing things on the weekends is that you can't get ahold of anyone to get a definatinative answer from HD Tech. D, said he would try the two updates on Tuesday and would let me know if the throttle going wide open is because of these updates.

[hogasm]

What are you talking about??

This has NOTHING to do with the Pin-Outs of the ECM's....

It has to do with the SERT software compatabilities with the -08 ECM's...

Please RE-READ the original posting.....

I have attatched the 2 maps that must be installed in the SERT "L" map library.....

Shovel, you said Tech Service does have 2 EFI Tuner Calibrations that will work with this -08A ECM. If you have a vehicle with the -08A ECM and you are installing an EFI Tuner,

What I was told by Harley's Tech is that there is the possibility to incorrectly plug in a tuner or the breakout box and it could severly damage the harness. This could in turn make the brakes not work correctly or the throttle to work incorrectly.

A lot of these guys on this site like to do things themselves and paying close attention to not damaging the pins when installing a tuner....could save them loads of trouble.

The Tech was very adament about bending the pins, he must have mentioned it 10 times in 4 hours.

[djkak]

What are you talking about??

This has NOTHING to do with the Pin-Outs of the ECM's....

It has to do with the SERT software compatabilities with the -08 ECM's...

Please RE-READ the original posting.....

I have attatched the 2 maps that must be installed in the SERT "L" map library.....

Shovel, you said Tech Service does have 2 EFI Tuner Calibrations that will work with this -08A ECM. If you have a vehicle with the -08A ECM and you are installing an EFI Tuner,

What I was told by Harley's Tech is that there is the possibility to incorrectly plug in a tuner or the breakout box and it could severly damage the harness. This could in turn make the brakes not work correctly or the throttle to work incorrectly.

A lot of these guys on this site like to do things themselves and paying close attention to not damaging the pins when installing a tuner....could save them loads of trouble.

The Tech was very adament about bending the pins, he must have mentioned it 10 times in 4 hours.

I don’t mean to speak for SHBob, he seems capable of doing that for himself; but as long as he is out of the room, I’ll take a whack at this.

You don’t need to separate the ECM from its harness connector in order to install a SERT, pull codes or hook up the DT. Use of the Breakout Box does require handling of the ECM connector, but the breakout box is only used in conjunction with specific DT diagnostic functionality; it has nothing at all to do with the SERT.

I appreciate your feedback regarding the delicate nature of the ECM connector, and I agree that this information has the potential to prevent heartache and misery when installing aftermarket tuners that require the installer to handle the ECM connector.

djkak

[Shovelhead Bob]

I came here attempting to provide and assist in an effort to enhance your technical aspect....

The SERT Kit is the "H"... The SOFTWARE is the "L".... Open your eyes people, and get a clue... It's in the title of the thread....

It's gone... snide remarks about "Technical Writer from Hewlett Packard or Microsoft"....

Mis-information being passed from Virtual Technicians/Tuners... talking out of the side of their necks....

Forget about it....


rhino.... If you are a comedian, find another job... You don't know me well enough to crack jokes about me or what I post....

hogasm.... You are one of those "Virtual Technicians/Tuners", 'cause if you are a real tech, you won't last long... failing to read and understand instructions are an integral part of Technicial success.... And when did I "Bash" you???

[hd-dude]

Part Numbers are stored internally, and there is a sequence code on the ECM Housing....

The PN is "normally" on the back side of the ECM, not the ribbed or exposed sides....

Haven't had the seperate an 08 Touring ECM from it's cable yet...

Thanks. I will look a the back of the ECM for the part number before proceeding.

[grc]

I have to question why anyone with more than half a brain would design this connector in such a way that it could easily be mated backward and thus destroy the part.  I wonder how many harnesses will get replaced due to this?  (Kind of a scary warning in the attachment, but assuming you can buy the connector/pins/sockets separately a competent person should be able to repair just the connector without replacing the harness.)

Jerry

[Twolanerider]

I came here attempting to provide and assist in an effort to enhance your technical aspect....

The SERT Kit is the "H"... The SOFTWARE is the "L".... Open your eyes people, and get a clue... It's in the title of the thread....

Someone missed their Carnegie courses.....

[110tHunDer]

Someone missed their Carnegie courses.....

I think maybe he was just tired again or had a bad day.   Of course, what do I know?  I'm just a snobby, elitist CVO rider who only likes bling and geedunk.

[Midnight Rider]

I think maybe he was just tired again or had a bad day.   Of course, what do I know?  I'm just a snobby, elitist CVO rider who only likes bling and geedunk.

That, or just an asshole by nature...

[Twolanerider]

I think maybe he was just tired again or had a bad day.   Of course, what do I know?  I'm just a snobby, elitist CVO rider who only likes bling and geedunk.

I'm a turd brain (Chip said so).  But I've got great hair, so life is good .

[Twolanerider]

That, or just an asshole by nature...

Be gentle TC.  You might just say that the cranky bastard was an impacific soul.  It sounds so much better after all.

[SBB]

I'm a turd brain (Chip said so).  But I've got great hair, so life is good .

Whoa Don!

My description of you as a turd brain was done in a caring, kind and gentle manner!
Totally opposite of how I normally post.
Clearly I am offended that it took you 21 hours to bring up this matter.
Are you slipping?

As for the hair,
new group maybe?

UGWGH

(us guys with great hair)

[110tHunDer]

 
Later SB.

[SBB]

Later SB.

HUH? 


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[110tHunDer]

HUH? 


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Not you, the other one.

[Fired00d]

Not you, the other one.

I was confused also. Now I know..... It seems "Shovelhead Bob" has decided to delete his account for some unknown reason.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

Whoa Don!

My description of you as a turd brain was done in a caring, kind and gentle manner!
Totally opposite of how I normally post.
Clearly I am offended that it took you 21 hours to bring up this matter.
Are you slipping?

As for the hair,
new group maybe?

UGWGH

(us guys with great hair)

Chip I am so so sorry it took me 21 hours to offend you.  It was a busy day and I try to be oh so diligent . 

Look at this Bobblehead Bob guy here in this thread.  He got offended quite promptly then picked up his (itty bitty tiny) marbles and went home.

Now, on to more important things:

Is there REALLY a group buy for good hair!?! Damn, maybe I can go from here to here !

[Twolanerider]

I was confused also. Now I know..... It seems "Shovelhead Bob" has decided to delete his account for some unknown reason.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

You mean you didn't notice he was a putz ?

[ccr]

Wow, when you come in "Real Late" like be, you just got to ask

 

I was reading what seemed like good posts from ShovelheadBob, then noticed he is a guest.

Oh Well, I guess some posts are best coming in on late.  Can't get upset - happy or sad - when the dance is over and all the guests have left the dance hall.

  

[Midnight Rider]

Wow, when you come in "Real Late" like be, you just got to ask

 

I was reading what seemed like good posts from ShovelheadBob, then noticed he is a guest.

Oh Well, I guess some posts are best coming in on late.  Can't get upset - happy or sad - when the dance is over and all the guests have left the dance hall.

  

There are always choices involved in how one presents technical expertise...no matter how knowledgable one is, it's better to present information in an informative way rather than to sandpaper butts and then pour turpentine on...

[ccr]

Good One Terry!   

There is a lot of sandpapering of butts sometimes.