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[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

Well it just so happens that a bike from Ma just showed up yesterday. We had planned on a 113 S&S lower end with S&S 3 stage pump and plate, our 600 our Head work the 58 E hpi.. but will see what the customer has to say. He did want a 117 kit to start with but with the extra work needed to make the old style kits work etc. But if this kit really can be bought then well maybe    That is up to Dave ..   

BTW here is a ST 120 before and after with the 600 cam. so we know it will respond to engines larger than the 113 without issue.  We left the heads stock swapped the springs had to installed new seals ( 2 had fallen off it had 2100 miles on it ) 030 HG 20 off the deck bike had the zilla pipe and clutch kit from HD . You can see the clutch was having a tad issue out the gate but nothing the guy will feel nor is he going to be in 6th at 2000 either .

The bike is a extremely fun runner. 

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

And another 120 with the 600 cam in it . again stock MVA heads no work  Different pipe .  So with a better head ( I like the CVO better ha ha )  that is worked I would think that hp will be 128-135 with easy and tq in the high 130 range on the 117 kit with not much else to do. The lower end is going to be the big topic. I can say that if I had a 110  I would run the stock crank. and beat the snot out of it. I am betting that you will not see the failures that everyone thinks will happen. Sure cranks fail but we see them fail in all sorts of ways. without a doubt HD is playing the odds.  But based on my own 107 that had over 600 pulls on it making over 120/120 it never failed nor did it have more than the .007 runout it started with.  With all the builds we do in a given year then bikes we tune the failure that you keep hearing about is not as common as some might think..  The math on how many " junk cranks" that are out there still running is staggering  ( yes being a wise guy ) 

[OakleyFreak]

So you think the 600 CAM would work good with this 117 Kit in a 110
Link to CAM please

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

The cam has been around for some time , it was a 621 lift but we reduced the lift on it and played around with lobe profile with some help with the cam designer at Andrews.  First version of this was in 2011, 

[OakleyFreak]

Thanks Steve

[BostonboyDH]

Well it just so happens that a bike from Ma just showed up yesterday. We had planned on a 113 S&S lower end with S&S 3 stage pump and plate, our 600 our Head work the 58 E hpi.. but will see what the customer has to say. He did want a 117 kit to start with but with the extra work needed to make the old style kits work etc. But if this kit really can be bought then well maybe    That is up to Dave ..   

BTW here is a ST 120 before and after with the 600 cam. so we know it will respond to engines larger than the 113 without issue.  We left the heads stock swapped the springs had to installed new seals ( 2 had fallen off it had 2100 miles on it ) 030 HG 20 off the deck bike had the zilla pipe and clutch kit from HD . You can see the clutch was having a tad issue out the gate but nothing the guy will feel nor is he going to be in 6th at 2000 either .

The bike is a extremely fun runner. 

   OK THE CATS OUT THE BAG....  GO FOR IT STEVE!!!!!

[Yellow09SERG]

Just wonder if that might could put harley in the 124 class also with the 4.125 bores on the 4.625 crank? 

[Para Bellum]

I have to imagine with a better cam this kit would have to make way better numbers than barely 120 ft/lb
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I would think so too, but I think OBB is referring to the Street Perf kit, which only makes like 112 TQ compared to the Race kit at 120 TQ.

[Unbalanced]

You took .020 of the deck, what did that leave you for CC's per each head?   What was the cold cranking of the 120st motor with the 600 cam?

[KC2GIW]

I would think so too, but I think OBB is referring to the Street Perf kit, which only makes like 112 TQ compared to the Race kit at 120 TQ.

Have we established what the difference between the kits is?  Thought they both used the 259e


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[OBB]

I would think so too, but I think OBB is referring to the Street Perf kit, which only makes like 112 TQ compared to the Race kit at 120 TQ.

Yes Sir. You are correct.

[HD Street Performance]

The 117 kit sure is a game changer, hope the longevity is good.
If I was looking for the high hit torque number I would use Harleys SE585 cams at 10.4:1 and that 117 kit and some mild head work. With a pipe like a Fullsac DX and recored mufflers at 2" that bad boy could climb into the high 130s for torque and still hit 115hp with stock TB and injectors. It would still crank 10 lbs less than a stocker and sure would have the "pass a truck" deal handled.

[Unbalanced]

Still believe 10.4-10.6  24d and the accompanying 117 hardware and complimentary pieces (Exhaust etc) would be a great kit, worked well in the 110's didnt give up much of anything on the bottom and end and was still able to carry the mail in the mid and top end and was quiet on the valve train.

[HD Street Performance]

I agree 100%

[KC2GIW]

Where would you guys be looking for the compression?  these kits are advertised at 9.9:1 correct? 

I'm assuming the answer is milling the head?


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