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[rodrocket]

Only comments are the tune needs work and the correction factor in "std" yields higher results than the defacto standard "sae". Starting the run at 2200 would tell more but that said this is just a graphic representation  of what the build does on a dyno at WOT on the dyno. How it feels stoplight to stoplight means more.  You may expect similar results on the same dyno with std correction, same compression, same cam, same heads, and throttle body, and same pipe. There is probably 5-10hp more in her if a Boarzilla was used.

What pipe would you suggest for the 117Ci build in a CVO Breakout, I am thinking the D&D Lowcat......any input would be appreciated

[YELLOWBIRD]

Anymore more results or dynos charts from other members with a touring rig?

Wondering what the SE 585, or aftermarket cams will do? Any thought of a GMR 577 cam (Steve) 24D cam or even a Tman 600SM/625 cam?

We know this is still in the phase one build mode with these kits, but what do the "PROS" THINK would be the best aftermarket cam?


YB

[trahog]

Any suggestions on beefing up  the clutch,got my kit in yesterday,going on a 2015 cvo street glide,the stock clutch says good up to 115 tq.

[Ridgerunr]

No pro here, but if I do one I'll keep the 24D cams I have. With a 0.30" HG static compression should be about 10.15:1, corrected about 9.3:1 with ccc about 188 psi for my elevation. Should be good with the swill (gasoline) they call premium.

[dnlpnd]

Only comments are the tune needs work and the correction factor in "std" yields higher results than the defacto standard "sae". Starting the run at 2200 would tell more but that said this is just a graphic representation  of what the build does on a dyno at WOT on the dyno. How it feels stoplight to stoplight means more.  You may expect similar results on the same dyno with std correction, same compression, same cam, same heads, and throttle body, and same pipe. There is probably 5-10hp more in her if a Boarzilla was used.

Harder to tell with the run starting at 2800 rpm, but what I see there looks like a cam built more for HP than for TQ.  If you're looking for 2-up touring and rideability, this might not be it.

  My thoughts exactly, info below 2800 missing, ugly graph for "rideability" torque, and numbers inflated without SAE.

p.s. it was a D&D Borzilla 2-1 pipe on the graph. 

Thanks for the Feedback,

dnlpnd

[rockytop117]

Any suggestions on beefing up  the clutch,got my kit in yesterday,going on a 2015 cvo street glide,the stock clutch says good up to 115 tq.

I went with the VPC 92 clutch & it hasn't showed any slippage on the dyno or street as front ends in the air at will..

[HD Street Performance]

Anymore more results or dynos charts from other members with a touring rig?

Wondering what the SE 585, or aftermarket cams will do? Any thought of a GMR 577 cam (Steve) 24D cam or even a Tman 600SM/625 cam?

We know this is still in the phase one build mode with these kits, but what do the "PROS" THINK would be the best aftermarket cam?


YB
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There is no best cam. You need the airflow potential to reach your goal without too much higher or worse yet lower variance. Software math and experience help there.
The SE585 is a torque move and compression would have to be watched. The SE 259E is a midrange choice. There are so many that will work but the way the bike is ridden and typical load and gearing will help steer the decision. A wot dyno run is not going to tell how a bike feels on the street. I posted one 117 that made 140+ and frankly with over 40 deg overlap it was snotty down low. Just like a hot rod car and high compression needing a little special care and feeding

[RoadDawg]

Anymore more results or dynos charts from other members with a touring rig?

Wondering what the SE 585, or aftermarket cams will do? Any thought of a GMR 577 cam (Steve) 24D cam or even a Tman 600SM/625 cam?

We know this is still in the phase one build mode with these kits, but what do the "PROS" THINK would be the best aftermarket cam?


YB
[/quote,
There is no best cam. You need the airflow potential to reach your goal without too much higher or worse yet lower variance. Software math and experience help there.
The SE585 is a torque move and compression would have to be watched. The SE 259E is a midrange choice. There are so many that will work but the way the bike is ridden and typical load and gearing will help steer the decision. A wot dyno run is not going to tell how a bike feels on the street. I posted one 117 that made 140+ and frankly with over 40 deg overlap it was snotty down low. Just like a hot rod car and high compression needing a little special care and feeding

For me, the SE 259e cam has proven to be a great choice. Even though it's a mid range cam, there's still plenty of power from 2500 rpm on up. The difference between the 110 and the 117 has been dramatic. I stayed with the 117 kit without any modifications knowing I could always swap cams later if I was disappointed. IMHO that's the only way you will know for sure. Depending on your riding style, a "hotter" cam might be a big disappointment in the overall ride experience.

[KC2GIW]

For me, the SE 259e cam has proven to be a great choice. Even though it's a mid range cam, there's still plenty of power from 2500 rpm on up. The difference between the 110 and the 117 has been dramatic. I stayed with the 117 kit without any modifications knowing I could always swap cams later if I was disappointed. IMHO that's the only way you will know for sure. Depending on your riding style, a "hotter" cam might be a big disappointment in the overall ride experience.

Did you feel like you lost any off-idle rideability with that cam?


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[dnlpnd]

There is no best cam. You need the airflow potential to reach your goal without too much higher or worse yet lower variance. Software math and experience help there.
The SE585 is a torque move and compression would have to be watched. The SE 259E is a midrange choice. There are so many that will work but the way the bike is ridden and typical load and gearing will help steer the decision. A wot dyno run is not going to tell how a bike feels on the street. I posted one 117 that made 140+ and frankly with over 40 deg overlap it was snotty down low. Just like a hot rod car and high compression needing a little special care and feeding

There is a lot of wisdom in these statements.  Then when you start diving into changing/porting heads and exhausts, things get even more complicated.  I've learned my lesson about "rideability".  I am on my third exhaust system and my current cam choice is questionable.  The Feuling 574 is not crisp at the bottom like the stock SE-255 was and I kind of miss that feel even though I am making some pretty high WOT dyno numbers with minimal part changes.  I continue to struggle with head selection with the 117ci kit.  Everyone of course claims to have a better mouse trap and not so coincidentally they are all priced at $1800 a set. (R&R, FM, and Delkron, etc.)  Even ordering HD raw head castings and have someone port them puts you right back at ~$1800.  I am still really anxious hear Steve's report out on the GMR Headwork and GMR 600 cam with the 117ci kit on the other 117 kit thread.

p.s. In my opinion, for those who have not installed the stock 117ci kit yet, using the thinner Cometic 0.030" thick head gasket with this 117ci kit is a $41.59 no-brainer for a tiny compression bump that can only help performance.

Thanks,

dnlpnd

[RoadDawg]

Did you feel like you lost any off-idle rideability with that cam?


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None whatsoever. Completely happy with the 259E cams. I do like to run through the gears on takeoff, but I keep it under 4500 rpm. Even at that, it'll get you to 80 mph pretty fast without mods, and the cruising power in 5th and 6th gear is quite noticeable compared to the 110 with 255 cams.

[KC2GIW]

None whatsoever. Completely happy with the 259E cams. I do like to run through the gears on takeoff, but I keep it under 4500 rpm. Even at that, it'll get you to 80 mph pretty fast without mods, and the cruising power in 5th and 6th gear is quite noticeable compared to the 110 with 255 cams.

Thanks!  I find myself generally shifting around 4K or slightly lower as well


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[Unbalanced]

My exhaust and engine controller are listed in my signature, but one possible option for the rest of the parts would be R&R Stage V heads (which I am still up in the air about between several options), R&R 615 cams, 6.2gps injectors, reuse SE Pro 58 mm TB, and of course the drop on 117 cylinders w/pistons.  I am not really digging the R&R 615 cam either (I think it is too much cam), but I am still gathering information.

Thanks,

dnlpnd

GMR knows a lot about the R&R heads, hopefully he can/will chime in here.     

[bakon]

Is the cometic gasket available for the wet head too?

[dnlpnd]

Is the cometic gasket available for the wet head too?

I didn't see an off-the-shelf 4.125" head gasket specifically stating they are for liquid cooled, but I'll let you peruse the Cometic website.

http://www.shopengineparts.com/parts.aspx?eid=879&cid=84&type=engine&vtype=V-Twin&make=Harley-Davidson&model=Twin+Cam

You'll probably need to contact them.  I think they can make just about anything, but they'll be spendy if they are custom.

dnlpnd