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Ford vs Toyota
« on: August 01, 2008, 01:37:47 PM »

 

A Japanese company ( Toyota ) and an American company (Ford Motors) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.

On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.

The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.

Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 7 people steering and 2 people rowing.

Feeling a deeper study was in order; American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion.

They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.

Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 2 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.

They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 2 people rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rowers. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses. The pension program was trimmed to 'equal the competition' and some of the resultant savings were channeled into morale boosting programs and teamwork posters.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.

Humiliated, the American management laid-off one rower, halted development of a new canoe, sold all the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses.

The next year, try as he might, the lone designated rower was unable to even finish the race (having no paddles,) so he was laid off for unacceptable performance, all canoe equipment was sold and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India .

Sadly, the End.
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Here's something else to think about: Ford has spent the last thirty years moving all its factories out of the US , claiming they can't make money paying American wages.

TOYOTA has spent the last thirty years building more than a dozen plants inside the US . The last quarter's results:

TOYOTA makes 4 billion in profits while Ford racked up 9 billion in losses.

Ford folks are still scratching their heads, and collecting bonuses.

IF THIS WEREN'T SO TRUE IT MIGHT BE FUNNY
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Re: Ford vs Toyota
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2008, 01:51:05 PM »

man, this was just posted about 3 or 4 days ago...

d00d - fix this please!!



A Japanese company ( Toyota ) and an American company (Ford Motors) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.

On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.

The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.

Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 7 people steering and 2 people rowing.

Feeling a deeper study was in order; American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion.

They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.

Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 2 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.

They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 2 people rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rowers. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses. The pension program was trimmed to 'equal the competition' and some of the resultant savings were channeled into morale boosting programs and teamwork posters.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.

Humiliated, the American management laid-off one rower, halted development of a new canoe, sold all the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses.

The next year, try as he might, the lone designated rower was unable to even finish the race (having no paddles,) so he was laid off for unacceptable performance, all canoe equipment was sold and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India .

Sadly, the End.
******************

Here's something else to think about: Ford has spent the last thirty years moving all its factories out of the US , claiming they can't make money paying American wages.

TOYOTA has spent the last thirty years building more than a dozen plants inside the US . The last quarter's results:

TOYOTA makes 4 billion in profits while Ford racked up 9 billion in losses.

Ford folks are still scratching their heads, and collecting bonuses.

IF THIS WEREN'T SO TRUE IT MIGHT BE FUNNY

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Re: Ford vs Toyota
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2008, 03:30:11 PM »

Yeah, but it wasn't in boldface.

My post is in boldface. :pepper:

 ;)


I should read here more maybe.......
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Re: Ford vs Toyota
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2008, 03:51:19 PM »

Yeah, but it wasn't in boldface.

My post is in boldface. :pepper:

 ;)


I should read here more maybe.......

indubitably  :carrot:
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Re: Ford vs Toyota
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2008, 03:56:09 PM »

Yeah, but it wasn't in boldface.

My post is in boldface. :pepper:

 ;)

I should read here more maybe.......

My Sister in Law was laid off from Ford two weeks ago.  She was a Manager.  Maybe they'll do better with one less steerer now.  She likely sees herself as a rower, however, since she was in charge of a line in the stamping plant and far from white collar.  She's quite happy about it........
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Re: Ford vs Toyota
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2008, 03:58:03 PM »

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Re: Ford vs Toyota
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2008, 03:59:42 PM »

My Sister in Law was laid off from Ford two weeks ago.  She was a Manager.  Maybe they'll do better with one less steerer now.  She likely sees herself as a rower, however, since she was in charge of a line in the stamping plant and far from white collar.  She's quite happy about it........

Had family that worked for GM.  They used to love to get laid off - went fishing, took vacations. 

Not sure what they did for GM - probably something to do with the defarkenator settings?   :nixweiss:
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Re: Ford vs Toyota
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2008, 05:05:51 PM »

Had family that worked for GM.  They used to love to get laid off - went fishing, took vacations. 

Not sure what they did for GM - probably something to do with the defarkenator settings?   :nixweiss:

Yup, one of the excesses from the "good ol' days" when there was no competition for the big three.  Union asks for supplemental unemployment benefits (SUB) to compete with the common practice of lifetime employment in Japan and elsewhere.  Since the big three and the UAW had a practice of all agreeing to one master contract, there was no competitive disadvantage at the time and the companies agreed.  And ever since, the hourly employees have looked forward to layoffs as just a slightly different version of a vacation.  Between unemployment insurance and SUB, the typical worker could expect to receive somewhere in the neighborhood of 75-80% of their normal pay.  In later contracts the companies had to agree to ask senior employees if they wanted to take the layoffs first, since they didn't feel it was fair that the newbies got to lay around doing nothing while being paid almost as much as the senior folks who had to work every day.  Just one of the many flaky things that came out of the heyday of the big unions.

Even though there are many examples of bad agreements like this, IMHO the overall result of unionism has been positive.  Unions finally gave people who worked with their hands a chance to have some little measure of control over their lives, and to live with dignity.  The improved wages led to the expansion of the middle class, which in turn improved the lot of everyone in this country.  Unions were/are also highly active in safety, leading to many more workers actually making it home to their families over the years.  Just thought I would try to present a little from both sides.

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Re: Ford vs Toyota
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2008, 05:14:30 PM »

Family that worked at Bell Helicopter (also union) were the same as to lay offs. Had union & non union workers in my family - so saw both sides.  When I worked production was never union & never had any issues.  Now I'm in mgt. & the company has a union & usually things go very smoothly - no strikes, etc.


It is interesting that Japanese & German automakers built plants here as domestic companies closed theirs.  Market share shifted to them.

Heard last night that BMW will shift product of the Z 4 convertible to Germany - away from their plant in Spartanburg, SC. Do not know the reason for this - could be wanting to expand the world market for the vehicle?  :nixweiss:
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FORD & TOYOTA
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2008, 11:47:38 PM »

                    Ford  & Toyota
                             
didnt realize this was already posted till it got moved here. . soooo  im deleating my version...
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Re: FORD & TOYOTA
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 11:55:17 PM »

Ford is stuck with unions and Toyota is not.
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Re: FORD & TOYOTA
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2008, 06:26:24 AM »

Not any better for Gm. Gm hired an a vp in charge of whatever last year up in Canada at an annual salary not including bonuses for 1.6 million. Worked one month, is now on permanent stress leave collecting over $ one million per year. Nice job if you can get it. THE MUFFMAN
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Re: FORD & TOYOTA
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2008, 03:54:00 PM »

Ford is stuck with unions and Toyota is not.
While that is true, that is not the only reason.

Toyota management does not make near the money Ford Management does.  Nor does Toyota have near the numbers of managers as Ford does. 
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Re: FORD & TOYOTA
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2008, 03:55:56 PM »

While that is true, that is not the only reason.

Toyota management does not make near the money Ford Management does.  Nor does Toyota have near the numbers of managers as Ford does. 

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Re: FORD & TOYOTA
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2008, 04:11:59 PM »

Toyota has one major difference in this market to the Big 3.  They are just as invested in SUV and Truck but they never walked away for cars, so they are bouyed by car sales.

They have a long way to fall and won't get as bad as the Big 3 but they too have taken a hit in this economy, much more so than say Honda who never got into the truck game.
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