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[DHTDHT]

I just bought a new '07 CVO Screamin' Eagle Springer.  Since it is called a "Screamin' Eagle' are the mufflers a Screamin' Eagle performance product as well?  I actually like the sound of these, but would like to know whether they are considered a performance upgrade or not.

[SPIDERMAN]

DHTDHT
            Welcome to the best damn Harley-Davidson website on the Internet. Good to see another new face. Lots of good folks on this site and if you can make one of the events that we have, you'll get to meet them in person. WELCOME

 

[Fired00d]

I just bought a new '07 CVO Screamin' Eagle Springer.  Since it is called a "Screamin' Eagle' are the mufflers a Screamin' Eagle performance product as well?  I actually like the sound of these, but would like to know whether they are considered a performance upgrade or not.

Mines ('04 SEEG) came with Screamin' Eagle "Touring" Mufflers. As Big B stated because of EPA (emissions/noise) control the MoCo is limited on how much performance stuff they can put on from the factory.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[DHTDHT]

Thanks guys, I guess that answers my question.  They are Screamin' Eagle, but specially modded for street-legal use.  The bike is in the shop right now getting the Race Tuner and dyno mapping.  I want it richened up some so as not to get so hot.  (More torque would also be nice!)

[SPIDERMAN]

Thanks guys, I guess that answers my question.

[GC_Super]

DHTDHT
            Welcome to the best damn Harley-Davidson website on the Internet. Good to see another new face. Lots of good folks on this site and if you can make one of the events that we have, you'll get to meet them in person. WELCOME

 

[DHTDHT]

Hate to naysay my own advice, but a SERT without at least a Stage I Breather kit and some performance mufflers seems like a waste of money.

B B

Naysay away my friend, as long as you don't live in Phoenix, Arizona like I do.  Air-cooled bikes here have major issues in the warm weather, and a lean running bike, esp. with the 110 inch motor can, and has destroyed rear cylinders. Having installed the SERT, my bike is running cooler now. If $459 is a waste of money, well I guess I'm only wasting mine. I'm not really interested in making my pipes louder, been there done that. The 110 inch motor is my performance enhancement. Some folks pay $2000 for that alone.

[SPIDERMAN]

Naysay away my friend, as long as you don't live in Phoenix, Arizona like I do.

[DHTDHT]

Very sorry to have been abrasive.

DT

[BLM777]

Wouldn't worry about being abrasive.  It's a condition that passes frequently among us with seldom an ongoing effect.  I think probably the comments on the RT were thrown out as being a little overkill for what you wanted to accomplish.  In many cases a Race Fueler at about half the cost of the RT will allow you to manipulate the AF on a stock motor and accomplish lowering the temps a bit.  Will be anxious to hear if the stock exhaust crossover remains as hot with the new setup.

[SPIDERMAN]

Very sorry to have been abrasive.

DT

Yeah, I thought maybe you wanted to go a couple rounds  

No sweat dude, don't change your style just cause I punched back  [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

BLM's right, I should have said, a simple download for $139 or a race fueler for $225 would accomplish what you wanted vice $460 for a SERT. The nice thing about spending the $$$ up front on a SERT however is that it's there if you ever want to do something more - - - - - and more - - - - - - - - and more - - - - - - - - -

By the way, I just punched my 07 RG up to a 103 and put in a SERT. The stock setting was 14.5 /1  If your 110 is set that lean you are indeed correct in saying you just saved your motor. Can't imagine what the hell is up with the MoCo. No freakin way a 14.5 / 1 motor is gonna last for 7 years under a    ESP. That must be what their bullchit service advisory about bringing in a pre-October built 07 for a  "  refined calibration" is actually about. Either that or they figure enough folks will do some kind of mod that they can deny warranty on so they don't have to foot the bill on a a couple hundred thousand new motors.

Big B

[DHTDHT]

My 110 was also set that lean. Every time I came to a standstill, excessive heat was pouring off the engine.  Now that I'm leaned out to 13.4/1, it runs much cooler. You can view my before and after dyno charts in the FXSTSSE section.

[RedDevil]

In order for the MoCo to meet the ever-more-stringent EPA requirements on motorcycles, without going to a catalytic converter, they put the O2 sensors in, enlarged the mufflers for more "freer" flowing exhaust, but yet could be baffled enough to keep the noise down, and leaned out the fuel mixture.   I've never had the noticeable heat on the rear cylinder because I had the true duals put on the bike before I took delivery of it.  I'm running the standard "84" map on the SERT right now, until I get it dyno'd at the 1k service.  So I'm not sure what the f/a mixture is, but I'm sure it's not at the factory stock level.

Red

[DHTDHT]

In order for the MoCo to meet the ever-more-stringent EPA requirements on motorcycles, without going to a catalytic converter...

Red

The '07 CVO bikes all have catalytic converters.

Dave

[beerman]

I have spoken with a very knowledgeable source who says that the CVO bikes ( 110 ) in 2007 are equipped with Cats
The 2007 / 96ci are not

[FLHRSE3]

I have spoken with a very knowledgeable source who says that the CVO bikes ( 110 ) in 2007 are equipped with Cats
The 2007 / 96ci are not

That is exactly what I was told

Gregg

[RJ749]

That is exactly what I was told

Gregg

Take it even a step further, the MoCo 2007 engine upgrades come with Cats as part of the kit.

Here's what else I heard today, a California HD Dealership recently received a $750,000.00 fine for altering emissions on a 2007 motorcycle/s.

[SPIDERMAN]

Well I don't believe any of the above. I just had LD bumped from 96" to 103" and my San Diego dealership was more than happy to do the work which included a Stage 1 breather kit and SE Performance mufflers. They said all this chit about MoCo regs and fines etc is a bunch of urband legend rumors.

Yes, Beerman, the 110 motors come with cats as does the upgrade kit, but you can buy the kit without the mufflers. BUT as Harry pointed out to me both the 103 kit and the 110 kit have EPA friendly dog chit cams in them Sooooooo you spend so time, do your research, read around on this site and buy individual pieces. FYI My 96" stock mufflers did not have Cats in them.

later dudes
            

[RJ749]

I know we don't agree with all the BS that surrounds the law as it is intended for 2006 and forward.  I also know that dealers will install all kinds of mods etc., why not they're getting paid etc.

However, if the Feds ever decide to enforce the lasw and it seems they intend to, there will be some hefty fines and many of them will get paid at some level even if reduced through negotiation.

Here is an EPA letter intended to define some of the regulation.  Interestinly enough it spells out to the manufacturer they must ship the cat as part of the kit if that is how the motor was certified.

Anyway, read it if you like:  http://www.mrf.org/pdf/EPALetterofGuidance.pdf

[grc]

The laws and regulations are quite clear on tampering, and there are hefty fines that can be assessed.

[Hoist!]

Jail, Fines, Loss of 2 Year Warranty. i guess we all have priorities! Hoist!  8-)

[sfarson]

The laws and regulations are quite clear on tampering, and there are hefty fines that can be assessed.

[RJ749]

This is it.

[skyglide]

My dealer did the install of the D&D pipes and custom dyno tune had me sign a release form so they are not liable for any mods that were made to bike mainly noise.My two warranty still intact Hoist. I guess I will find that out if I need work done at another dealer.

[RJ749]

My dealer did the install of the D&D pipes and custom dyno tune [highlight]had me sign a release form [/highlight]so they are not liable for any mods that were made to bike mainly noise.My two warranty still intact Hoist. I guess I will find that out if I need work done at another dealer.

Good luck to him if anyone ever really checks.  There is no way that a release form is going to keep a dealer clear of fines from the long arm of the EPA.  What part of "no" modifications do these guys not understand.

Now a release that says the customer will hold harmless the dealer and pay any of the dealer's fines probably would hold up in court.  Mmmmmm, I'm listening to myself and starting to wonder if I need a $10,000.00 mod to my bike after all.

[Midnight Rider]

Good luck to him if anyone ever really checks.

[Chief]

Roger...enlighten me please...I know that the "rules" about this modification stuff have become more and more stringent over the years, but on the 06's it didn't seem like there was any questions/concerns about doing mods, then on the 07's seems like it's different, and I "heard" that they are going to enforce from 07 on more stringently.

[grc]

My dealer did the install of the D&D pipes and custom dyno tune had me sign a release form so they are not liable for any mods that were made to bike mainly noise.My two warranty still intact Hoist. I guess I will find that out if I need work done at another dealer.

Good luck to him if anyone ever really checks.

[RJ749]

Roger...enlighten me please...I know that the "rules" about this modification stuff have become more and more stringent over the years, but on the 06's it didn't seem like there was any questions/concerns about doing mods, then on the 07's seems like it's different, and I "heard" that they are going to enforce from 07 on more stringently.