Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel. :rifle:
I carry a Verizon Wireless cellphone.
Is that a Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?
I'm really interested in what everyone does when travelling. Is it don't ask, don't tell, or do you leave at home when on long trips?
:indian_chief:
wouldn't leave home without it.
i'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
i do have a cwp, it only makes me more liable....i pratice saying i felt my life was in danger.
Be Safe
TN
I don't ask, don't tell and avoid any "showing" or appearance of having cw. I have been accosted by leo's before with them mistaking my cel phone for a cw. The cw was on the other hip, dumb-asses.
Always check the states you are traveling to or through for reciprocity on a cwp because some states do not reciprocate the cwp of your home state and occasionally leo's will ask if you are carrying if you are detained during a traffic stop. Please become aware of the rules as they apply to your home state, I ain't no lawyer I just live in the "Gunshine" State.
Miker
Yupper!,
"Officer, I felt I was in danger for my life and would like to speak to my lawyer".
Make sure there is no one to sue you for disability too.
Miker
Should you have to shoot always empty the gun (that proves you were very frightend) and it is way cheaper to bury someone than care for them than a long term disability. ;)
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?
:indian_chief:
Is that a Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?;)
I'm really interested in what everyone does when travelling. Is it don't ask, don't tell, or do you leave at home when on long trips?
:indian_chief:
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?
:indian_chief:
Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel. :rifle:
I play paintball too, we go to the mtns a lot, here's some of our team at a friends paintball field.
Tippmann 98C Bigshot 9" barrel, dye grips, and shadow cocker.
I carry a 38 special, or my Ruger 45.
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?
:indian_chief:
I usually carry two.
In the tour pack: Springfield XD45 Compact http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?model=23
Pocket: Smith & Wesson 342PD Titanium .38: http://www.gunblast.com/SW_342PD.htm
The Smith & Wesson J-frame .38 Special has been around for over fifty years now in its original "Chief’s Special" configuration. Since then, S&W has added many variations of the original, but the J-frame line of thirty-eights is still the standard to which all other small frame revolvers are compared.
Then I will not carry a firearm concealed on my person.
Try this link.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php
Miker
Sig Sauer 239 .40 caliber / Glock 23 .40 caliber. Never leave home without it. All the bad guys have guns, I'm just trying to level the playing field. I practice and am proficient. I feel I have a better chance than some crackhead trying to shoot with the gun sideways. It seems no place is safe anymore. Here in the Atlanta area, they are even robbing Waffle Houses. Besided, I usually ride with two LEO's and I'm just back-up.
Sig Sauer 239 .40 caliber / Glock 23 .40 caliber. Never leave home without it. All the bad guys have guns, I'm just trying to level the playing field. I practice and am proficient. I feel I have a better chance than some crackhead trying to shoot with the gun sideways. It seems no place is safe anymore. Here in the Atlanta area, they are even robbing Waffle Houses. Besided, I usually ride with two LEO's and I'm just back-up.
The information in that map is what originated this thread. If you look at Georgia, it appears as there are a lot of people that don't want me carrying in their state.
Is it something we did?
:indian_chief:
P.S. The old military rule applies. Never draw your weapon unless you intend to fire. Never fire your weapon unless you intend to kill.
Don't Shoot me or I'll Call somebody ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
P.S. The old military rule applies. Never draw your weapon unless you intend to fire. Never fire your weapon unless you intend to kill.
No, no, no. It goes like this.
"Don't shoot, or I'll take a video of you with my phone camera, and send the clip along with a text message directly to You-Tube".
This may be easier to mount, certainly cheaper to shoot and bet the message would get across.
Oop, sorry, it is a Taurus 410 shot 45 colt combo, that shouls slow down and hogs or bears.
Miker
Never carried on the bike, but I never leave for a road trip in the car without it. The rules in each state are so different, I just put it in my bag and don't worry about it.
Glock Model 19 9mm w/black talon hollow points 15+1
Miker
how would that compare with a S&W 38. Bigger slug but heavier? which would be easier to shoot?
Free
Not speaking for Miker...
The 45 will be heavier, and have more kick to it generally. I have the S&W Titanium 38 hammerless. I like it because it is so light and compact. If you put the right kind of round in it, it will kick ass and take names. I also have an old Chief's Special that stays by my bedside. Would a 38 or 45 stop a Grizzly bear...no, but neither will any handgun, unless it's got a 9 inch barrel with a scope so you can start shooting when the bear is 100 yards away. All a handgun is going to do with a large mammal is piss him/her off.
It's the two legged mammals we need to worry about, and a 38 +P with a nice round in it will do more than enough damage. If a couple of chest shots don't stop 'em, blow their kneecaps off, then finish the job. If it takes more than 5 shots, you're screwed anyway, 'cause they'll be on top of you.
Another nice handgun, IMO, is a Walther PPK in stainless. 380 round (like a 9mm short), 9 shot, and you can put it in your back pocket.
I carry. period. Legally at home and in most surroundig states, illegally in the others. My theory is.... If the gun is well concealed, no one knows it's there. AND If I behave like I should, I NEVER have confrontational contact with LE. AND When I do have contact with LE, I behave myself and am respectfull and respectable and haven't had trouble there either. (Doesn't mean it can't happen, but so far I've come out just fine)
Then again, I think that anybody that trys to take our guns away from us should be brutally raped by a LARGE band of passing camels and then be repeatedly shot with VERY VERY small guns until thier eventual expiration . Not that I have MUCH of an opinion on this subject you know, but , well, you know, a passing thought anyway.....
For home defence a 38 S, or a 9mm is probably about right, the bigger guns can go right thru someone or thru a wall and possibly hit someone else in the house. 22L can be deadly because many times they ricochet around off bones causing more damage. My daughter has a 38S derringer.
This may help some people, Utah has reciprocity with 29 state and issues non resident permits. We have a gentlemen here in Oregon that gives the classes for Utah.Heeellooooo!!!! That sounds very nice. Would you be so kind as to post or pm the contact info for this gentleman?
Then I will not carry a firearm concealed on my person.Just to make sure I understand this correctly. On this map you enter the state(s) you have a CWP in, and all the states that come up blue honor the state(s) CWP you were issued?
Try this link.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php
Miker
Somewhere I have the name of a guy in NOVA who teaches the required Utah class. I will find it and post. Was planning on taking it and then the range in Woodbridge where he taught burned up. Forgot about it after that.Thanks. :2vrolijk_21:
Miker
how would that compare with a S&W 38. Bigger slug but heavier? which would be easier to shoot?
Free
Just to make sure I understand this correctly. On this map you enter the state(s) you have a CWP in, and all the states that come up blue honor the state(s) CWP you were issued?
If that is the case I wouldn't mind getting a permit from Utah also if they issued "Non Resident" permits.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Don't ask and Don't Tell - Do I or Don't I ?And every time I've met you, you have been Oh So Polite.
An Armed Society is a polite Society ;)
Springfield XD 9 mm, with Remington Golden Saber 9mm Luger9 (+P) Hollow Point 10 in clip 1 in chamber. 8) And TRU DOT night sights.
I'm very respectful to LEO, having many in my family.
I carry everywhere (and travel) except work
I have been known-ed to mow my yard packing. (Warning if you have CCl. First words out of your mouth after being pulled over and answering Officers initial questions should be. I have a CCl and I'm carring now, It's on my right hip or where ever you have it)
. Last time I was stopped Officer told me they have pulled 5 guy's CCL's and weapons for not notifying officer they were packing so far this year. " I would rather have and not need, than need and not have". Some dip chit in Cleveland beat a gastation attendant with a brick for over 5 minuets while 4 people stood by and watched. The guy got tied of beating the attendant in the head and stopped to rest before statring up again. I now have 10 rounds in my clip.....
BINGO! :2vrolijk_21: I agree, when pulled over anywhere for any reason, that is the first thing out of my mouth. In some instances (Fl. HP for one) the officer asked as soon as he approached the vehicle but if they don't ask, tell them.
I carry either a Beretta M9 or a S & W (J frame) "Centennial" 357 always, bike or car, trips and locally. I have both a CWP and a county reserve deputy badge and ID, I've never had a problem traveling but as I said above, the first words out of my mouth are to state that I am carrying whenever I am pulled over. For many years I carried the S & W inside the pants belt clip but with age has come more than a few extra pounds and it became too uncomfortable. Now either ankle in summer or the rest of the year, in coat.
Interesting topic, glad you brought it up Chief. :2vrolijk_21:
Excellent points here..and with HR218, I can carry anywhere..... my question is more along the lines of where you carry? Waistband seems impractical on the bike... I have a crotch holster which in theory works on the bike.. it just the thought of a loaded gun pointed at the boys that slows me down on that one...i've done the vest/ jacket pocket carry, but i find that even my G27 is too freakin heavy to do that with..appreciate your inputWhat about the fanny packs w/built in holsters? :nixweiss:
What about the fanny packs w/built in holsters? :nixweiss:a few challenges with these..not the least of which everyone sees it knows its a holster
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Anyone got any good ideas how I can pack my Dad's Winchester Model 70 Super grade on LD ? Just kidding, ;D
BB
If so, what do you do when you travel?
:indian_chief:
Anyone got any good ideas how I can pack my Dad's Winchester Model 70 Super grade on LD ? Just kidding, ;D I do want to get out and shoot a few rounds with it. Last I knew, Dad had it dialed in around 300-400yds. The B&L scope is a monster. I sighted it in at my house yesterday and could read the label on the beer my neighbor a 1/2 mile away was drinking.Talked to Hank about going out too the desert to dial it in again soon. I'd like to see if I can still keep a clip in the black at 400yds. Dad taught me that when I was a teenager. Can't shoot a handgun worth a chit, but a nice rifle with a scope is a thing of beauty. Anyone know where I can get some hypervelocity .270-140 grain rounds. I know Winchester makes the ammo, but not in hypervelocity.
BB
Note to self REMIND ME NOT TO PI$$ ANYONE of you guys OFF at any CVO Gathering!!!!
;D
~bubba~
I can see it now.
The group goes to dinner.
When finished we walk back outside to leave.
Someone is in the process of stealing one of our bikes.
All of a sudden 15 guns pointed at his chest.
Think he would get the message?
:nixweiss:
I can see it now.
The group goes to dinner.
When finished we walk back outside to leave.
Someone is in the process of stealing one of our bikes.
All of a sudden 15 guns pointed at his chest.
Think he would get the message?
:nixweiss:
Dood,Thanks for the info. Let me know when you get a date in the interim I'm going to check the list to see if there is a instructor closer also. I've attached a list of instructors by state below. Anyone interested in the requirements to get a Utah CWP can look here - Utah Concealed Weapon Permit (http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFPHome.html).
Below is an email I received today from a gentleman who teaches the Utah permit class here in Northern Virginia. His name is Bruce Jackson and his email address is 4utahpermits@gmail.com.
I have sent him my name and will sign up if the date works.
Doug
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OK Folks!
I now have a blank slate and am looking for interested parties who wish to take either the VA class, the Utah class, or both.
Even if you have given me your name before, please resubmit it.
(Also, it would be nice if you would also tell me what classes you would like to take)
As of the writing of this message I have no names for either class.
So if you want a class sooner, forward this to your friends and family.
Cost of each class will be $75 if you prepay, $100 if you don't.
(sorry, but past no-shows have forced me to do this)
Once I have enough interested people I will pick a date and ask all those who have expressed an interest if they want to attend. After a couple of days I will open the enrolment to the general public.
Class will be held in the North Stafford area (I-95 exit 143).
If you have any questions please feel free to email me. And please include your telephone number as some answers are easier to talk about then to type.
Thanks!
S&W 38 special hammerlessAh hell I was expecting some wild a$$ picture to go along w/this description so I had to look at the post in the thread.
S&W 380 Auto Snubnose
Browning BLR 308
Browning BPS 12 Gauge 3" Magnum
Ruger 1022 Stainless with synthetic stock
TC 50 Cal Muzzleloader
AR 15 or is 14? 223 Caliber Rock River arms I think.
I carry them all with me everywhere on the bike.
Ah hell I was expecting some wild a$$ picture to go along w/this description so I had to look at the post in the thread.Just for you dood. A picture of me killing a Washing machine back in the 80's.
Ken I was expecting something to top the "goat utters". :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Just for you dood. A picture of me killing a Washing machine back in the 80's.It's going to be in trouble. :nervous: According to your last post your arsenal has increased since you were killing/shooting washing machines. ;D
now, if this head gasket leaks just ONE more drop.............
Proably as good a place as any for this. I've been roaming around the internet trying to get a sense of the value of the Model 70 Winchester I mentioned before. I hate to think of it, but if it got stolen or something I'd need to prove to my insurance company what the value was. Seems like the prices are all over the lot. I'm seeing anywhere from $600 to $1,600. What do you folks think ?
My Dad bought it new in 1950, so it's a pre-64 as they say Winchester Model 70-270 Super Grade. 80% of new condition. Blueing is solid, stock is excellent, bore is clean , nice Bausch and Lomb scope. Has been kept cleaned and oiled.
B B
Yes. Always have. Had a NC concealed carry since they started issueing them. Lots of good advice in this thread, but it's whatever works for me....always at least one gun......depending on what I'm wearing ...... of different sizes/weight/calibers. Most are autos....one small wheel gun. The important thing I think, is to have one if you really need it. No matter the caliber....like someone said: the larger the better if you will carry it, but smaller if necessary to carry it. As in a jacket pocket....it's got to be light enough to not sag the jacket or it doesn't work. Then you're looking at holsters.....most are not comfortable as those who wear them all the time will tell you. So.....what ever works for you. :jack: Har! :drink: spyder
'Am, spyder, I haven't heard that term in years! I got rid of all my Automatics years ago. I just like the sound of the action a "wheel gun", makes. I carry a S&W Model 686 in Ol' Maudie's Tour-Pak, and a S&W Model 37, in my Leathers. Hope I never have to pull 'em out in defense. Found out the hard way, cwp's do not apply in Commercial Vehicles to civilians. Having carried a concealed weapon most of my adult life, it's weird not having one with me when I take the "Big Rig" to the Races. Oh well, I'm sure I could find something to defend myself and property, if need be. ;) Again, hope I never have to. Later--HUBBARDAbsolutely, Hub! but.....with the idiots out there today, it seems as if it is becoming more and more a possible reality. 'why can't we just all get along'? :o har! ;) spyder
Excellent points here..and with HR218, I can carry anywhere..... my question is more along the lines of where you carry? Waistband seems impractical on the bike... I have a crotch holster which in theory works on the bike.. it just the thought of a loaded gun pointed at the boys that slows me down on that one...i've done the vest/ jacket pocket carry, but i find that even my G27 is too freakin heavy to do that with..appreciate your input
My leather vest has a zippered inside, deep chest pocket. A kel-tec .380 is one of the smallest, lightest handguns and goes nicely unnoticed. It is not cumbersome. It is, in my experience, dependable, easily maintained and inexpensive. I have fired boxes of rounds through the 8 round clip without jams. When riding, I am not wrestling with my waist, ankle or small of my back. It is not a hassle to carry, and I can get to it quickly. (God forbid that would be necessary). The gun is made in Cocoa, Fla. Also comes in a .22 cal and can be purchased at most gun stores or all gun shows. I know the common argument is I want a bigger caliber.....You gotta ask yourself.....will you consistently carry a big caliber, uncomfortable, harder to conceal weapon, or a hassle free, small easy to carry automatic, which by the way has no safety and no hammer to cock. Safety is in the trigger pull. Quick access, reliable discharge, 8 rounds = dead bad guy. Thats my .02 worth.
I agree -- hope I never have to use it. Waiting for the OK from the gun board to get my permit, then I'll be legal. (not carrying now w/o permit)
Anybody using the Para Carry .45ACP? What do you think of it? Is yours accurate? Any other suggestions for a .40 or .45 carry without the "horn"?
You should look at the Glock model 36 -very accurate,concealable and stands up to holster wear,sweat and weather.
Look at my post#68 and #69 on page 5 of this thread for more info and a photo of the model 36.
MJZ as you well know you made a great decison to get one. I hope you enjoy it and never "need" it.
Went by the range today and tried a Glock 36, had no intention of getting one but just wanted to try it out. :oops: it came home with me, complete with night sight and laser. And I thought this place only cost me $$$$ in chrome. ???
You should look at the Glock model 36 -very accurate,concealable and stands up to holster wear,sweat and weather.
Look at my post#68 and #69 on page 5 of this thread for more info and a photo of the model 36.
MJZ as you well know you made a great decison to get one. I hope you enjoy it and never "need" it.
Just trying to keep up with all of the hi-po equipment here.
I got a pesky squirrel inside the attic on Saturday with a .22 cal BB cap. Does that quilify for the big Arms Race?
:indian_chief: (Still looking for squirrel in attic. Lots of blood, but no squirrel.)
Mark,I agree, plus......not secure enough for me to have my pistol held on w/ magnets. :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:har! spyder
Very interesting. I like you would be uncomfortable w/something on the tank. :nervous: All it would take is a little bit of dust/grime on that bag or on the tank to create some problems. >:( Also how accessible is it getting to your CW in that bag while riding?? I may be a little ole school, but I'd much rather have it on my hip as first choice, and then maybe on my ankle as second choice. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Mark,
Very interesting. I like you would be uncomfortable w/something on the tank. :nervous: All it would take is a little bit of dust/grime on that bag or on the tank to create some problems. >:( Also how accessible is it getting to your CW in that bag while riding?? I may be a little ole school, but I'd much rather have it on my hip as first choice, and then maybe on my ankle as second choice. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I agree, plus......not secure enough for me to have my pistol held on w/ magnets. :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:har! spyder
The security part is not a problem, these magnets are incredible. As for access, a quick zip and draw but it just found a place in storeroom hell. I'm just not comfortable with anything touching the paint.couldn't a pedestrian just grab the whole bag right off your tank? :nixweiss:spyder
I agree, want to buy a Daytona Gear magnetic pistol lambskin bag cheap? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DUh, thanks, but no thanks. Don't think that'll fit on my hip or ankle. ;D
couldn't a pedestrian just grab the whole bag right off your tank? :nixweiss:spyder
Uh, thanks, but no thanks. Don't think that'll fit on my hip or ankle. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Thanks. I will check it out.
Now if only they made holsters for something like this for the CVO ......then I suppose that would be truly custom. Kind of 'Mad Max - esque.' Right?
- Jim
dont and wont, i would be in jail by now. I am too close to NY where they give free room and board for having a weapon... jamie :zstupid:
I agree. Since no one can keep firearms from criminals, why would it be ok to forbid law-abiding citizens from keeping them? Just doesn't make good sense (to me, anyway) :confused5: spyder
Boy, I couldn't live like that.
What ever happen to "the Land of the Free" and that "right to keep & bear arms" thing in the Constitution?
I think I would do one of two things: Either get involved in politics and correct this injustice, or just move South. Sure glad I live in a Concealed Carry state ;)
Take a look at rohrbaughfirearms.com. They make a couple of sweet little 9's, if you're so inclined. Very well made, though I haven't yet had the chance to shoot one. VERY easily concealable 9mm.
Let us know, I need a smaller carry. The kimber is getting nicked up too much.Might look at a Colt .380 ........ I use the Govt. model w/ silvertip hollow-pts. :2vrolijk_21:spyder
Miker
Might look at a Colt .380 ........ I use the Govt. model w/ silvertip hollow-pts. :2vrolijk_21:spyderDefinitely needed, without that weapons effectiveness is questionable in certain circumstances. Of course I miss my 20mm :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
Might look at a Colt .380 ........ I use the Govt. model w/ silvertip hollow-pts. :2vrolijk_21:spyder
Kinda funny video. Maybe everyone shouldn't carry....at least not a Desert Eagle.Kinda funny???? :ROFLOL: :smash:
Click the link
http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2007/12/30/skinny-girl-vs-desert-eagle/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crane-romania.com%2Fgo%2Fskinny-girl-desert-eagle%2F&frame=true
LR, I got to handle a Rohrbaugh at the Tulsa show last fall. Really nice, but since we have no dealers in OK, we've got to find someone to get one sent to. Maybe somebody will have one at the spring show.
The used one I looked at was $900, but I probably could have bought it for $800, maybe $750- if I'd have known what it truly was I would have bought it, just didin't know at the time. New they're about $950 depending on the model.
intriguing... i like the idea... the caliber, eh, not so much
dealer up the street a bit by where Talon lives...
i will be at SHOT this and maybe these guys or someone like them will show up?
I'm curious....what caliber would be your preference?
How about a Stainless PPK? I used to have one...operation was always flawless, and it was pretty small. With the HP silvertips, it would explode watermelons... ::) :huepfenlol2:
and bounce harmlessly off glass ! ???
dont and wont, i would be in jail by now, i deal with the biggest jerks that need to be shot, :rifle: i do police :policeman: towing, yea i know that most companies are rip offs :veryangry: and im sure thats why i get sh1t but i am a small company that prides its self on honesty, :jack: sorry back to the thread, and i am too close to NY where they give free room and board for having a weapon... jamie :zstupid:
i prefer a .40SW, maybe a .45
we all know the 9mm has a bad rep for stopping power... some earned some not..
a recent example... NYSP is finally dumping the 9 for a 45...
its all about personal preference....i just dont trust the 9
on the other hand... even my compact .40 is friggin heavy... so its a trade off
even a 9 or a .380 carried is better than the .45 sitting at home cuz its too heavy
hows that for a mixed message?
i prefer a .40SW, maybe a .45
we all know the 9mm has a bad rep for stopping power... some earned some not..
a recent example... NYSP is finally dumping the 9 for a 45...
its all about personal preference....i just dont trust the 9
on the other hand... even my compact .40 is friggin heavy... so its a trade off
even a 9 or a .380 carried is better than the .45 sitting at home cuz its too heavy
hows that for a mixed message?
Me too, I liken them to tater chips, cain't have just one....Throw ina Benelli M4 and a S&W AR, Saiga308, some bird guns, some deer rifles and the greaser. Always but a gun safe 2x bigger than you think!
i use to carry a glock 26 9mm, just recently went to a springfield sub compact 40 cal. big difference in knockdown power imo. the difference in grain size of the lead will make you a believer. but where does it end. a 50 cal.... :coolblue:How did you like the Glock? I'm thinking of one as a backup (ankle carry).
i operate a business that requires me to carry or lay down.
TN
Want real stopping power check this out - The Judge (http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm).
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Yea it is a great weapon for close in self defense. I'd be a little concerned of the collateral damage if I had to use it for something of greater distance.
Damn! Nice grouping at 10 feet! :)
:indian_chief:
Yea it is a great weapon for close in self defense. I'd be a little concerned of the collateral damage if I had to use it for something of greater distance.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
You know D00d, I don't understand our gun laws at all. If you have a sawed-off .410 that's too short, it is so illigal that you do hard time just for possession of it. Yet, that pistol is even more concealable (while not really small) and I'm guessing is legal classified as a handgun. What are they retailing for money-wise? :nixweiss:spyderNot sure of retail, but you can see more about them here (http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41).
Yea, but now you can hunt squirrels with a hand gun. Yee Haw! :)That is true. :2vrolijk_21:
:indian_chief:
If you really want to have some fun then you need this - AA 12 Assault Shotgun (http://www.strategypage.com/military_videos/military_photos_2005620.aspx) (look at the video).
Not sure of retail, but you can see more about them here (http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41).I see........$553. :2vrolijk_21: thanks, spyder
Edited: The link above does show retail price $503.00
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I see........$553. :2vrolijk_21: thanks, spyderThe two on the left are $503, and the two on the right are $553.
The two on the left are $503, and the two on the right are $553.The 'stainless' is worth the extra. :-* har! spyder
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
The 'stainless' is worth the extra. :-* har! spyderDefinitely. :2vrolijk_21:
Not sure of retail, but you can see more about them here (http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41).
Edited: The link above does show retail price $503.00
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I told him when he's 30 years old, I'll STILL be preaching it, so he just as well to get used to it.
Dad taught me to shoot and hunt when I was about 12 years old. I lost dad about 2 years ago. The memories of the times we spent together hunting and shooting are precious. I have those memories with my children, and my stepson too. Here's a photo of the AR15.
HB, Sounds like we got the same instruction at home.
Only way to have it.
Rog
There's a gun range north of Fredericksburg that sells it for around $450.00....Is that for the stainless?
:devil:
Is that for the stainless?Yep, according to the site, it's stainless steel, matte ... I guess that means a brushed finish? :nixweiss:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Dad absolutely beat it in my head. Point that gun up boy. Is that safety on? Is that gun unloaded? An empty gun is always the one that kills. Now, it's second nature to me. if i'm handling a gun, I'm not afraid of it, but 150% conscious of where it's aimed at all times.
Yep, according to the site, it's stainless steel, matte ... I guess that means a brushed finish? :nixweiss:Thanks. I hadn't got caught up in the thread before I noticed you poste the specs/price. :2vrolijk_21:
It's a great price for a stainless handgun.
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My stepson was raised in the city. He's 15 y/o now.Whenever he comes to vist, he absolutely loves to shoot. I started him off with 22's. He graduated to 20 gauge shotguns, then on to a 12 gauge with turkey loads. We bought him a AR15 223 last Christmas. It's made by Rock River Arm Company. I preach safety to him so much he's tired of hearing it. I told him when he's 30 years old, I'll STILL be preaching it, so he just as well to get used to it.
Dad taught me to shoot and hunt when I was about 12 years old. I lost dad about 2 years ago. The memories of the times we spent together hunting and shooting are precious. I have those memories with my children, and my stepson too. Here's a photo of the AR15.
That's close to a Saiga 12g that's just coming out. Really great for home defense, works just like an AK, that most of us are familiar with. The Saiga is about $350 currently. I'm going to get one to replace the Mossberg. Don't worry too much about collateral damage, a 410 doesn't spread all that much, and by the time it does, you don't have enough energy/pellet size/etc to do any real damage. IIRC, the Judge goes for about $450. I'll keep my 12g and 45 bug, thank you very much!That's good to hear. :2vrolijk_21: My concern was it penetrating drywall if it was used in the house for self defense.
That Judge is sweet. Looks like an addition to the family to me. :2vrolijk_21:Go big get the AA 12 Assault Shotgun ;D
That's good to hear. :2vrolijk_21: My concern was it penetrating drywall if it was used in the house for self defense.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Gary, I wouldn't worry about that when defending your home, 420 most likely wouldn't have the power and the holes it leaves, well we can bring some of this over and get you handled afterwards :2vrolijk_21:I was more concerned if there was family member(s) that may have secured themselves in a/that room.
I was more concerned if there was family member(s) that may have secured themselves in a/that room.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
went with the springfield for variety, the glock is a great gun for what there made for. i have the extender on the mag, good feel. the springfield seems to be good quality and i like the night sites it has. its amazing to me with all the play in the barrel with this type of design,got a couple of .380s......one is a Colt Gov't. I've fired many, many boxes of ammo thru them with never a problem. What happened, was it mag, ammo, or ??? Glad you survived. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
that it can group as good as they do, i'm sold. there again there not made for plinking. the 40 cal has more kick and i wouldn't want to shoot it alot.
i used to carry a ss colt mustang ll 380 cause it fit nicely in my back pocket. i got in a situation where i needed it and it failed. i'm glad i can talk about it!.
been kinda looking around for a tazer type weapon, cause i can. but i guess thats like the old saying about bringing a knife to a gun fight.
if more ppl carried, criminals would think twice.....
i declare open season. :huepfenlol2:....
be safe
TN
I was more concerned if there was family member(s) that may have secured themselves in a/that room.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
45's rule. Para 14, 14+1. Let's roll! Plus a donor weapon for the perp.:stop: :zHole: :rifle: :ROFLOL:.
WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION (only fools don't understand)
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another...
...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
Credited to: Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Hoo-Rah!
Went by my local gun shop today to buy a Judge and found a long waiting list. I had them add me to the list but it looks like it's going to be quite a wait.Are they that popular or Taurus just making a limited number?
okay, operator error!The real deal is not like the practice, is it? That's why it all goes back to the instinctive moves learned thru all the practice when it all goes wrong. If you want to get rid of the SS 380 Colt, you'll have no problem... ;)...they're getting harder and harder to find. spyder
i have shot many rounds too without failure. on the river bank. i lost confidence in it after my altercation. i still think its purdy. :coolblue:
I got to get me one of these!!!This is one of my favorite toys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGKy4pa4bGY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
I got to get me one of these!!!
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
Toy boxVery nice, I like. :2vrolijk_21:
If you carry, I would recommend reading "No Second Place Winner" by Bill Jordan. He was a Border patrolman and one of the best revolver shots in the world.Thanks for the info I'll put it on the list of must reads. :2vrolijk_21:
Be first or be dead...there is no second place winner in a gunfight. The subject of this book is the ways and means to survive and stay alive in just such an event.
This book has saved my life twice.
and better.
just received this from a friend. had a few graffic pics,, but I'll leave them out.
How NOT to hold a revolver!
A St. Louis, Missouri guy on my AR-15 forum had a bad accident with his S&W 460XVR Magnum yesterday. He was shooting with a two handed hold and got his left thumb up near the lower front of the cylinder. The normal (powerful) gasses blowing out at the barrel/cylinder gap ripped the top of his left thumb off. I've added some of his posts & some pics.
S&W 460XVR Magnum
460XVR blew my thumb off today!
No joke, about 1/2 of my left thumb is gone ... what's left is a friggin mess.
It's pretty hard to type, and I'm only posting because you never know, it might save somebody else a thumb. I was using a 2-handed grip, fired off a Cor-Bon DPX .460 and the blast came violently out the side of the gun.
At first my thumb was so covered in blood that I couldn't see how bad it was ... and I was full of adrenaline and felt no pain. And honestly it looked really bad, my whole hand was covered in blood and it was kinda gushing.
The blown-off thumb was on my support hand. I'll re-create the grip tomorrow to see where my thumb was, but it's not like I didn't already know not to get any body part near the cylinder gap. And even if I totally screwed up and did, taking my thumb clean off seems a bit excessive?
Just be careful with those 460's. That case operates at such high pressure, it's just asking for trouble.
BTW, I bought my 460 new and had exactly 12 rounds through it. Info about the gun, it's a full-size 460 with the 8 3/4' barrel and factory installed compensator. It's one of the Whitetails Unlimited models. Ammo was 200gr Cor-Bon DPX.
The gun only had 12 or 13 rounds of the Cor-Bon through it, and 10 .45 Long Colt rounds through it. So it was essentially still brand new.
Saw a hand specialist while there today. Lots of ways to try and save what's left, but first I just have to hope it doesn't get infected in the next few days ... then surgery early next week.
The hand specialist I spent a few hours with last night said that in gunshot wounds there is always a lot more damage than is first visible ... same with things like fireworks going off in your hand. A lot more flesh around the wound is dead, and will rot and fall off over the next couple days. That's why it's so important to keep clean, and that's also why they can't do surgery now. If they wrapped new skin over dead skin it would just puss out, possibly turn gang-green, and they'd have to start all over again.
I had much the same thoughts! The ammo raises suspicion possibly more so than the weapon. I really hope things come together for you.
WOW THAT IS INCREDIBLE!
I would never have thought that cylinder blow by could do so much damage...........I would have a good gunsmith look at that gun before anyone fired that again. My biggest gun is a 44 magnum and shooting many rounds will punish you, but that is over the top. I have had some gunshot burns from the cylinder blow by, but have always kept my thumb........something has to be seriously wrong with ammo or gun even though it is big caliber. My gun dealer has one of these sitting in the case with only a 4" barrel and I asked what in the world you would use a 460 with a 4" barrel for? They told me the recoil was not as bad as I would think and as a big game carry piece it might make sense!
anyway I hope you can make a full recovery from this freak accident.......
The latest addition to my hand gun collection!Sweeeeeeeet!! :2vrolijk_21:
HK 45 Compact
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The latest addition to my hand gun collection!
HK 45 Compact
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maybe you guys can help, i'm looking for a bolt for an old Marlin 81 tube fed .22Neal, sometimes it's better on the old, worn out guns/rifles to just hang 'um on the wall for sentimental reasons and buy a new one......rebuilding 'um can cost more than replacement. That's what the gunsmiths are telling me, anyway. :-\ spyder
I have been looking for one here in CLT I need the ambi set up I am a big fan of 45s in the 1911 style but have been told that the HK is a Rolls Royce I have an HK Super 90 shotgun it is a great gun... I want to see one in person but not to many dealers stock them . what is your thoughts on Kimber ...
Neal, sometimes it's better on the old, worn out guns/rifles to just hang 'um on the wall for sentimental reasons and buy a new one......rebuilding 'um can cost more than replacement. That's what the gunsmiths are telling me, anyway. :-\ spyder
The latest addition to my hand gun collection!
HK 45 Compact
:2vrolijk_21:
maybe you guys can help, i'm looking for a bolt for an old Marlin 81 tube fed .22
I do not have any personal experience with the Kimber line-up beyond examining them. They appear to be fine weapons upon examination and as indicated by asking price, but that price is a bit much for me. Others here have them, and perhaps they'll chime in. I'm quite happy with my H&K and Walther.
another
To each his own...........No Gun has the smooth action of a Colt..............but no Gun Trades like a Smith. As far as Auot's go..............the Smith & Wesson Model 39-2 (9mm), is hard to beat. While I tend to like older Guns, revolvers are my choice. Especially, packin' 2 at a time! ;) Later--HUBBARD
To each his own...........No Gun has the smooth action of a Colt..............but no Gun Trades like a Smith. As far as Auot's go..............the Smith & Wesson Model 39-2 (9mm), is hard to beat. While I tend to like older Guns, revolvers are my choice. Especially, packin' 2 at a time! ;) Later--HUBBARD
Just noticed as a fellow West Virginian (we like our guns) I no longer live in WVA but born in Princeton (coal country) I need to get back and visit Family
have you heard of names like Matoka, Hiawatha , the old Roanoke Coal and Coke company had mines back there...
My colt Python 6" is extremely smooth ( I had the trigger worked to get the rest of the creep out of the gun) they are getting hard to find but My S&W
586 6" is also sweet after the trigger work done.....(the colt is still my favorite) and the S&W 686 8" stainless is a workhorse but not a carry piece
(none of my revolvers are really for carry...just to big)
I've got a Python too, but I think mine is an 8". I'll have to look. Haven't had it out in ages. ..... I'll report tomorrow. May send pics. I wouldn't take anything for my Python. One of the older ones. ....AAAACCCKKKK!!!!!!! My eyes! my eyes..... :huepfenlol2:
AAAACCCKKKK!!!!!!! My eyes! my eyes..... :huepfenlol2:
Ok, seriously, I like the Kimbers... now. Just picked up AnOtHeR ultra-carry. (that makes three now.. I just had to have all the colors!) Very well made and engineered gun. Much smoother than any 1911 type colt I have ever purchased. The damn thing is same hole accurate on the ransom rest too! (not that I can shoot that well, but it'll sure take the wind out of my excuses...) I guess I've got 3 or 40 short guns now, of various different type, most worked over pretty heavily for trigger and accuracy, and this particular example really impressed me. I don't see any signs of re-working or trigger/internal work, and it's just perfect! three cheers for the factory boys!!!
Of course, I can't compete with pictures of my 8" python, posted on the internet...... so I'm going to go back out in the yard and shoot a can ot two....
maybe you guys can help, i'm looking for a bolt for an old Marlin 81 tube fed .22
check this out
http://www.ruger.com/LCP/index.html
Nice. I have always liked Ruger....durable and affordable. I have a P89 and a Super Blackhawk 44 - both great guns.
Now if you have decided to carry a firearm , you should try to stick with one weapon style and one method of carry. This will help build muscle memory and under stress you will reach instintively to the same spot and activate the weapon in the same manner without thinking about how the weapon functions today vs. what you may have carried yesterday etc. It would be a shame if a shooting situation arose and all you grabbed was a love handle or armpit hair instead of your gun.Then get in lots of pratice wearing what you would in everyday carry. Jackets/chaps, boots etc. Also try different positions as if you were seated on the bike or in a car/truck. How easy is the weapon to draw?
Look at the average shooting situation and you will realize that they are fast,short distance and usually one or two on one. There are always strange senarios where one guy is against a gang at 100 yards but that is rare. You also are not very likely to fire more than a few rounds so make it count with accuracy but hit with the largest caliber you can accurately hit your intended target. Remember that person will not just drop like in the movies with one shot but the bigger the caliber the more likely it will happen with less rounds. You will be held legally responible for each and every shot you fire so overpenetration or a stray round hitting a bystander is a concern of course.
When carrying a weapon you need to be concerned with maintenace more frequently due to weather and things like sweat. The finnish should be very durable and not shiny so it will be less visible to others when you want it concealed.
I personally like the Glock model 36 as a potent package that is concealable and durable and accurate.
Caliber
.45 AUTO
System
Safe Action
LENGTH
6.77in/172mm
HEIGHT
4.76in/121mm
WIDTH
1.13in/28.5mm
Barrel Height
1.26in/32mm
Line of Sight
6.18in/157mm
Barrel LENGTH
3.78in/96mm
WEIGHT
20.11oz/570g
LOADED (~)
26.99oz/765g
Mag. Capacity
6
Magazine Mass
Empty: 2.40oz./68g
Full: ~6.88oz/~195g
Trigger Pull
5.5lbs/2.5kg
Trigger Travel
0.5in/12.5mm
Expressly "thinned" for maximum concealability, its frame designed for an easy reach to the trigger for even the shortest adult fingers, this 7-shot .45 Auto is built with "maximum concealment with maximum power" in mind.
Barrel Rifling
right hand, Octagonal
Length of Twist
9.84in/250mm
Internal Locking System
Available
Number of Safeties
3
I just wanted to repost part 2 of my original post on this subject again since it has moved back to page 5 of this long thread.
When you compare the .380 mentioned above by several to the Glock 36 you can see that there is not much difference in dimensions but there is ballistic difference between a .380 vs. a .45 shot for shot. I do know that a hit with a .380 beats a miss with a .45 but all things considered I would rather use the .45 for personal defense.
The dimensional difference I saw between the two is that the .45 is 10 Ounces heaver, about 1 1/2" longer, 1" taller and about 3/10" wider.
I just wanted to repost part 2 of my original post on this subject again since it has moved back to page 5 of this long thread.
When you compare the .380 mentioned above by several to the Glock 36 you can see that there is not much difference in dimensions but there is ballistic difference between a .380 vs. a .45 shot for shot. I do know that a hit with a .380 beats a miss with a .45 but all things considered I would rather use the .45 for personal defense.
The dimensional difference I saw between the two is that the .45 is 10 Ounces heaver, about 1 1/2" longer, 1" taller and about 3/10" wider.
I have a 36 and I love it. Beats the heck out of these Kel-Tecs. I think they are made by Ronco, you can buy them on late night infomercials. If you order a Popel pocket fisherman and a Ronco veg-i-matic, they will send you a Ronco shoot-a-matic (Kel-Tec) for free. ;D ;D ;D
I also carry a Glock 27. In a leather holster at 3 O'Clock. 95% of the time I have it with me. Feel kind of naked without it! I carry it into Ky, Tn, Va, W.Va, North and South Carolina when I go to Charlotte, Martinsville and Daytona NASCAR races. I lock it in a box in those states that just don't understand. "wink, wink" I need to get my Florida permit. :jack: Don't leave home without it! :2vrolijk_21:
??? I looked at those. I have a the older Taurus 357 that shoots just great. I also have several .410's that shoot great as well. Putting both 45 and .410 in one revolver... :nixweiss: I don't know? On the other hand, having a shot gun (even a .410) in your pocket can't be all that bad. :confused5: Let us know (1) how the .410 shells feel balanced wiss with one hand, and (2) how hard is this to conceal?A small person (such as moi) would need to wear a overcoat or one of those waist pouches that I don't consider concealling anything. ??? har! :drink: spyder
Oh yea!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
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Fired00d
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I want one.
A couple of weeks ago we had a wind storm ----- I think it was 70 + mph winds. At any rate our electicity was knocked out for about 30 hours. During the night - not sleeping well anyway- sleep number bed can't be set without electricity, dog started to go nuts, running up and down the stairs, barking her fool head off. I look outside and my car that sits in front of the house - not enough room in garage for all the toys - the overhead light is on, it comes on if you open the door handle. I look around and I see the neighbor across the street roming around his house, so figure his dog has alerted to something too. So I, dressed in slippers and bath robe (Already a scary sight), armed with a little battery charged tea light am going to go downstairs and find out what is going on. I momentarily think about the gun in the husband's night stand. Then a scenario plays in my head.
Wife arrested for killing husband, accidently shooting revolver that she has no idea how to work, while using a tea light for immuniation during a electrical outage.
No - I do not carry. And you are all safer for it.
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A couple of weeks ago we had a wind storm ----- I think it was 70 + mph winds. At any rate our electicity was knocked out for about 30 hours. During the night - not sleeping well anyway- sleep number bed can't be set without electricity, dog started to go nuts, running up and down the stairs, barking her fool head off. I look outside and my car that sits in front of the house - not enough room in garage for all the toys - the overhead light is on, it comes on if you open the door handle. I look around and I see the neighbor across the street roming around his house, so figure his dog has alerted to something too. So I, dressed in slippers and bath robe (Already a scary sight), armed with a little battery charged tea light am going to go downstairs and find out what is going on. I momentarily think about the gun in the husband's night stand. Then a scenario plays in my head.
Wife arrested for killing husband, accidently shooting revolver that she has no idea how to work, while using a tea light for immuniation during a electrical outage.
No - I do not carry. And you are all safer for it.
:huepfenlol2:
A couple of weeks ago we had a wind storm ----- I think it was 70 + mph winds. At any rate our electicity was knocked out for about 30 hours. During the night - not sleeping well anyway- sleep number bed can't be set without electricity, dog started to go nuts, running up and down the stairs, barking her fool head off. I look outside and my car that sits in front of the house - not enough room in garage for all the toys - the overhead light is on, it comes on if you open the door handle. I look around and I see the neighbor across the street roming around his house, so figure his dog has alerted to something too. So I, dressed in slippers and bath robe (Already a scary sight), armed with a little battery charged tea light am going to go downstairs and find out what is going on. I momentarily think about the gun in the husband's night stand. Then a scenario plays in my head.
Wife arrested for killing husband, accidently shooting revolver that she has no idea how to work, while using a tea light for immuniation during a electrical outage.
No - I do not carry. And you are all safer for it.
:huepfenlol2:
anyone on here have exeprience with Kel-Tec? in particular the .380The P3AT is a great gun , but if you get one make sure it was manufactured after 2005. Prior models had extraction problems (the company is great w/fixing it, but you may not be around to send it back to them). Also they cannot fire +P or +P+ rounds, but cor-bon, speer, and win. rangers are plenty powerful. You can get them for around $270 and they have very little recoil and tight grouping.
i took one off a DUI the other night... small, light, gave the appearance of being well made...
sadly, it went into evidence...
but im thinking about getting one
any thoughts?
Is this considered a concealed weapon?Only if they would produce it. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
Oh yea!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
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Fired00d
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Oh yeah, I also always carry a Surefire flashlight with extra batterys. In fact, the light itself is bright enough to knock out someone's vision temporarily.Which model Surefire do you carry? :nixweiss: thanks, spyder
leoniru
Which model Surefire do you carry? :nixweiss: thanks, spyder
I typically carry the E2D Exec Defender , light bright and has a very cool bezel for close in core sample removal
Nice! What's the battery life on that model, Scott? :nixweiss: thanks, spyder
Cell phone gun - Real or hoax?
http://www.videovat.com/videos/1234/cell-gun-phone.aspx
bought one of these in Daytona, thought you guys would want to check it out.
www.ConcealmentT.com
bought one of these in Daytona, thought you guys would want to check it out.
www.ConcealmentT.com
Been on a gun binge new Glock 21 SF in 45 with nite sites real neat gun having the slide polished out next week . also have been looking for a Springfield Champion Operator in 45 it came in today love this gun tricked out from the factory cvo style.....OK Skippy.......... :worthless: Har! :drink: spyder
Going to need something small to work and be comfortable there. What are you planning on using as a cover over that?
Glock 19 w/tritium sights, FNH Five-Seven, Glock 27 w/lasermax, Kel-Tec P3AT
Just got the FN, can't wait to fire it. Anybody have any SS190 ammo they'd be willing to part with?
I'd definitely run for cover if I saw this girl http://digg.com/comedy/Skinny_Girl_Owned_By_Desert_Eagle
By the way, never stand behind a woman firing a big handgun, especially if you gave her more than one round. The ultimate outcome was as the gun recoiled she held it on her shoulder and it fired the third time. That killed the guy standing behind her that had brought a group to the range.
http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=2535311&date=19970423&query=wade%27s+gun+shop
only draw back i see is low capacity magsNoticed that (8 max/9mm). Would make a nice backup/ankle holster carry, but I can get 15 round clip for the Berretta. My S&W is small enough now for a backup/ankle holster carry, and that has 12 round clip.
:huepfenjump3: I love my G27! Goes everywhere I go! Hey, why does the lower trigger guard of the PPS swivel down? :confused5: It does look pretty!
only draw back i see is low capacity magsI wonder if they (or someone) will make a extended mag for it? :nixweiss: spyder
If somebody intends to do you or yours harm, as in slashing me through an open window with a group of other miscreants waiting to pull me out, rob and kill me, they deserve to die, period. If my family is involved, double duty. I wish I had the greezer with me but then I would have gone to the clink because I would have cut them all down.
Property protection isa little dicy, but luckily we have a "castle doctrine" in Florida. It does not justify homocide but will keep you safe from prosecution, unless you unload on somebody banging on your door as recently happened down here.
I think the shooter effed up when he went outside after the 1st shot and pumped another one into the idiot on the ground.
"Officer, I was in fear of my life and would like to speak to my lawyer as soon as possible please", keep repeating....
Dirtbags beware, some of us nice guys bite.
saw this in American Rifleman
(http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Walther//upload/images/firearms/WAP10001.jpg)
Walther PPS - More Conceal, Less Carry
I wonder if they (or someone) will make a extended mag for it? :nixweiss: spyder
I think the only reasonable extension would be one round (for pinky to wrap around) because I believe its only a single stack mag. Anything bigger would start to look silly like the 30 rd. mag for the Glock.'looking silly' doesn't bother me as optional backup mags are only used when reloading and not in a 'carry' situation. How 'dependable' it feeds is my only concern if I can comfortably carry it. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
Didn't think of it that way, may just tuck a 30 rd. inside jacket pocket for reload :2vrolijk_21:. Quality ammo and a quality gun shouldn't misfeed, but always practice extration/smokestack malfunctions so its second nature should the time come cause you never know when Murphys gonna lay down the law.
Thats not a gun, this is a gun ha, man have a hell of a time getting it in the bags ;)
d00d,
Did you ever wonder why the US Military is the ONLY ones to carry Berettas? Stick with the Glocks or better 1911's. You'll always be able to use it. While I prefer the 45's, I'm probably going to switch to a 9mm. Most BG's are carrying this or smaller. Once I drop one of them, I've got more ammo if I need it. The 9 also has more to begin with in a smaller package. In most "confrontations" you shoot til empty. Hopefully you don't have to reload, but if you do, then reloading after 13 and adding 13 is a whole lot better than reloading after 8 and only adding 8. Think about appendix carry over the ankle carry. Ankle carry for a primary only has you start falling while you're getting shot. Your first shot needs to be off in under 2 seconds to be effective. (Even a close miss will have them starting to duck- certainly a hit is better, but may not always happen.) You simply can't do that with an ankle carry. Even SOB (small of back) is tough to get a shot of in less than 2 seconds. Appendix can be done with a little practice. The reason for the 2 second shot time is that most confrontations are over in 3 seconds. Even with a 2 second shot time, you a severely behind the power curve. At that point, you've already had 3 shots in your direction if they've pulled first. An airsoft works really well to practice this.
As for filling a BG full of holes, I'm emptying the magazine, reloading and THEN waiting to see if further action is needed. That's what umbrella policies are for. Cheap with lots of coverage. EVERYBODY on this site should have one, whether they carry or not! It's all about asset protection.
Damn miker you better not even drive close to the airport with that case ha, thats the way to travel ;)
How about a box o guns....The M4 is a real gun make big boom boom.
d00d,Can't and will not argue the point of there are probably better things out there then the Berretta's, but it's like owning/buying Harley's once you like something it's hard to get away from it. :nixweiss: I know Glocks are better, but they remind me so much of the Mattel guns I used to play w/as a kid. Have always been taught/told to "shoot the threat down" no if, ands, buts about it. I'll have 15 round clips so as you suggested I should be alright in that respect. Definitely will carry on the hip, and only thinking of ankle carry as a backup gun (S&W Model 669) or for some reason I wouldn't be able to conceal on the hip.
Did you ever wonder why the US Military is the ONLY ones to carry Berettas? Stick with the Glocks or better 1911's. You'll always be able to use it. While I prefer the 45's, I'm probably going to switch to a 9mm. Most BG's are carrying this or smaller. Once I drop one of them, I've got more ammo if I need it. The 9 also has more to begin with in a smaller package. In most "confrontations" you shoot til empty Hopefully you don't have to reload, but if you do, then reloading after 13 and adding 13 is a whole lot better than reloading after 8 and only adding 8. Think about appendix carry over the ankle carry. Ankle carry for a primary only has you start falling while you're getting shot. Your first shot needs to be off in under 2 seconds to be effective. (Even a close miss will have them starting to duck- certainly a hit is better, but may not always happen.) You simply can't do that with an ankle carry. Even SOB (small of back) is tough to get a shot of in less than 2 seconds. Appendix can be done with a little practice. The reason for the 2 second shot time is that most confrontations are over in 3 seconds. Even with a 2 second shot time, you a severely behind the power curve. At that point, you've already had 3 shots in your direction if they've pulled first. An airsoft works really well to practice this.
As for filling a BG full of holes, I'm emptying the magazine, reloading and THEN waiting to see if further action is needed. That's what umbrella policies are for. Cheap with lots of coverage. EVERYBODY on this site should have one, whether they carry or not! It's all about asset protection.
Only to and from the camp or range...The greezer is only in its gi cardboard box...A silenced 22 lr is next on the list.
Guns is like tater chipsor harleys's, cain't have just one! :cucumber:
Is the M4 that much cleaner than than say an FN SLP or Rem. 1100? Benelli claims that the way it reloads makes it that much cleaner and much less to clean than other selfloaders. I'm contemplating between an M4 and the SLP :nixweiss:
Oh I was a full blown junkie at one time over 270 long rifles and more than 150 hand guns, when I brought home a 4000# safe door from a bank that was being remodeled so I could build a walkin gun safe my wife told me, Honey you really need to think about going to rehab ;D
It eats anything, even lowbounce ammo...It seems cleaner (but I'll blast a couple of cases on a shoot) than my remmy (which I love), but the blam blam blam blam blam blam of the m4 is pretty neat and it shoots a tight bunch, murder on clays. Besides the look on on the foo foo weatherby shooters is great when they see a black gun smashin clays.
I need to get the ammo tube extension for two more and the collapsible stock only because, well it is tacticool!
Shoot straight n safe.
:jalapeno:
I gottcha wrench...I'll am cooling off on them simply so I don't have to get a bigger safe. I only have 10 or so longs and 4 pistols, so there is room for a few more.... ;)
Have you ever seen a Seal take the top works off a Beretta and your standing there with the lower frame in your hand while he has a chuck of iron your fixin to eat oh damn it.
they actually fixed that problem about 10yrs ago..but still
its one of the many issues with the Beretta that i can think of.... only touch em when i has to!
Thanks, I'll probably go w/ the M4 then. This is probably what you're lookin for http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=23213 I'll be sure to get one
Saiga 12 for a shotgun works quite well! Faster than the Benny's and Remmy's. Easier to reload 10 rounds, too! Good pattern with anything I've tried. It really likes slugs.
I love em...
http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm
I "subscribed" to that newsletter for a little while, just to see if it was any good. Mostly nothing but trying to get you to pay to be let on another forum and see the "paid-up members valuable sections". Don't waste your time.
that would drill a hole for the satellite dish-huh?
Kel-Tec .380
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/312030167.jpg)
Rohrbaugh 9mm $945
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/312030910.jpg)
WOW! a grand for that rorbaugh? I figured spendy, but not outrageous! How does it shoot? :nixweiss:
Colt Commander Wilson Combat upgrades, extended mag with Black Talons in a Galco pancake holster and and extra clip :2vrolijk_21:
.22 Mag with HP's or Snake Shot in a pocket holster.
Sean Agree, Agree.....FlaMarine. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: har! spyder
I have no problem wearing a shoulder holster while on a bike assuming you know how to wear it and conceal it or with wearing an inside the waistband holster, again assuming you know who to wear it and conceal it.
Welcome 2pak..no mully needed...I am still looking for a new front pocket piece and have not found the new ruger lcp in 380...My kimber ucp 3" is just a little too heavy but a blast to shoot....
I'd like to strap a shotrgun on the bike for traffic issues though! ;)
Sean,Another "Jarhead". 6/75 - 6/78 here. :2vrolijk_21:
Cool pic!!
Perhaps a S/W 642 .38 in a shoulder holster might work. It's higher up and smaller (less of a print). I've worn a set up like that under my uniform shirt (t-shirt>shoulder holster>uniform shirt) long ago in my past life when I refused to carry my second piece in an ankle holster. While it's not a fast draw, it's not like any of us are going to get in any shoot-outs while riding the bike and, its pretty easy to get to it if needed with some practice. Of couse in hot weather it's not fun which is why i prefer my front pocket. In cooler weather (like here in Seattle) it's not a problem. Cheers,
Marines 72-76
Sean,
Cool pic!!
Perhaps a S/W 642 .38 in a shoulder holster might work. It's higher up and smaller (less of a print). I've worn a set up like that under my uniform shirt (t-shirt>shoulder holster>uniform shirt) long ago in my past life when I refused to carry my second piece in an ankle holster. While it's not a fast draw, it's not like any of us are going to get in any shoot-outs while riding the bike and, its pretty easy to get to it if needed with some practice. Of couse in hot weather it's not fun which is why i prefer my front pocket. In cooler weather (like here in Seattle) it's not a problem. Cheers,
Marines 72-76
Looking to fix some traffic problems in Delray, I'd start with a 20mm cannon?
I've been looking for the new ruger too.
Springfield XD40 subcompact with 2 extra clips. Good luck looking for the Ruger LCP I have heard that Kel tec is suing Ruger and all shipments have stopped figures I'm next on the list of folks wiating.
Bikers were boycotting Ruger a few years ago. Don't know if their policies changed at all. Rugers are made in a no-helmet req'd state, but they refused their employees health insurance if the employee didn't wear a hemet. Don't know if that matters to anyone, or if things have subsequently changed, but their discriminastory policy turned off a lot of bikers from buying their guns. ;)
Hoist! 8)
Sean,
Cool pic!!
Perhaps a S/W 642 .38 in a shoulder holster might work. It's higher up and smaller (less of a print). I've worn a set up like that under my uniform shirt (t-shirt>shoulder holster>uniform shirt) long ago in my past life when I refused to carry my second piece in an ankle holster. While it's not a fast draw, it's not like any of us are going to get in any shoot-outs while riding the bike and, its pretty easy to get to it if needed with some practice. Of couse in hot weather it's not fun which is why i prefer my front pocket. In cooler weather (like here in Seattle) it's not a problem. Cheers,
Marines 72-76
Ruger....Ruger... :o
I live in Kentucky. I had a gun once.
Did Ruger require you to wear a helmet, even though it's not req'd by law in FL, before you bought it! ::)Did they really get away with requiring all their employees to do that? Seems like that should have been 'challenged'. :o spyder
Hoist! 8)
Did they really get away with requiring all their employees to do that? Seems like that should have been 'challenged'. :o spyder
Here is a girl that may need a doctor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O14JsggUFI&feature=related
If Ruger gets a look at this, they may require a full face helmet :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: poor girl
I thought chuck was in the air force. don't know just asking.
Here is a girl that may need a doctor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O14JsggUFI&feature=related
Damn good thing she didn't bite her tongue off, would sorta handicap her sexually...... :bananarock: :huepfenjump3:
Bike/Car the Glock 27 (40) The Glocks hold up to the heat / sweating / moisture very well.I love the P7M8, It is very accurate and a good size. Just bought a FN Five-SeveN and it is the coolest with 3 20 round clips and the hot rounds I'm having reloaded it would stop you! And its easy on the recoil.
for carrying it is usually the H&K P7M13 (9mm)
I love the P7M8, It is very accurate and a good size. Just bought a FN Five-SeveN and it is the coolest with 3 20 round clips and the hot rounds I'm having reloaded it would stop you! And its easy on the recoil.
O ya our house was broken into 2 weeks a go while we were southern Indiana. 30,000. in guns and jewelry gone.
O ya our house was broken into 2 weeks a go while we were southern Indiana. 30,000. in guns and jewelry gone.
New toy - gonna see if they can order it for me at the PX... :bananarock: :bananarock:
Ruger LCP (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Pistol&subtype=Centerfire%20Autoloading&famlst=64)
Sean
Nice looking carry piece.....if it is more reliable than a Wather PPK I might get one.....I wonder how much?
Why a simi auto, a double action revolver works with one hand. Just wondering. :confused5:
Why a simi auto, a double action revolver works with one hand. Just wondering. :confused5:
Why a simi auto, a double action revolver works with one hand. Just wondering. :confused5:Way more than 6 shots and reloads faster!
So does this, its DA only... Smoother then a wheel gun and easier to reload - should you ever need to.Answered my question thanks. As for reload Not an issue!!!
Sean
I think I asked this question about 30 pages of posts ago
Why are you guys saying whether you do or you don't
I mean isn't that the whole idea of " concealed"
B B
Cause now you will never know if we are - or aren't...
Would you be willing to take that chance if you were a bad guy? That's why I never like to use a butt pack to carry, they are like a big "Shoot Me First" sign. (Like being 6'6" with a high and tight and a USMC t-shirt wouldn't do the same - but not much I can change there other then the T-shirt :nixweiss:).
Sean
ummmm errrrrr ahhhhhhhhh Sean, isn't your post what I'm saying in my post ?
I don't mind BSin and agreeing to disagree, but we're agreeing too agree on this one I think :nixweiss:
B B
crap, you mean we agree? :oops:
Oh well.
Sean
New toy - gonna see if they can order it for me at the PX... :bananarock: :bananarock:
Ruger LCP (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Pistol&subtype=Centerfire%20Autoloading&famlst=64)
Sean
I have one....the teets....and tiny...90 gr corbon gonna sting and can carry mexi! Woowoo! I am still waiting on a mag extension for one more finger, it barks a little....Still love my Kimber after 10k rounds though.
Had to kill time this morning before my pistol range class ( :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: GET PAID!!! to Shoot T-Th and I get PAID to RIDE Friday! :bananarock: :bananarock:) and they will order it for me at the PX - $277!
Sean
Life is good!
a BATTLESHIP!! The North Carolina in Wilmington - get to see the guns that can fling projectiles that weigh as much as Volkswagens 20 miles!! :orange:Oh yesssssss. I still remember the woo-woo-wwooo sound they made as the New Jersey chunked 'um over us on the So. China Sea beach inland........then you'd just feel the ground tremble as they impacted. Impressive. ;) har! spyder
Had to kill time this morning before my pistol range class ( :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: GET PAID!!! to Shoot T-Th and I get PAID to RIDE Friday! :bananarock: :bananarock:) and they will order it for me at the PX - $277!
Sean
I didn't know we could order gun through eh PX! How do I do that!? uhh... you might want to send me a pm.... dumb ass retired guy that I am.... :coolblue:
No more than you'll get from the muzzle flash in low lighting with a non-c model. Tritium sights are very bright and you shouldn't have any problem with a followup shot, but Lasermax is an excellent low light laser system that replaces the recoil spring on the Glock with an ambidextrous on off switch that replaces the takedown lever. There are several sites that have them for under $300. Lasermax also now has a green daytime laser setup that mounts to the rail system on the frame, nothing internal yet. As for the gun, they're failsafe and idiot proof and have been tested 10,000 rounds with no cleaning and no malfunction.
Thanks Pete...Hey when I think about it, may not have time to aim any damn way. Just point in that direction and the rapid fire is on :2vrolijk_21: Seriously though; just looking for something auto, light, and small. Thinking along the line of a Glock 26, 6.2" length (slide), 4.1" Height, 12 rd mag and 9mm. I was thinking compensated just for less recoil and maybe that xtra split sec advantage one might get for all shots after the first...but hey...what the hell do I know?...Don't anyone answer that ;D
Elvislee,
Have you considered the 27 over the 26 for the stopping power of the 40 over the 9mm?
http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm (http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm)
http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/40/27/index.htm (http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/40/27/index.htm)
There is a 1 shot difference and 4 gram weight difference of the magazine.
Me too! I never thought about the PX. I haven't been in one but once since I retired. The closest base to me is a Coast Guard Base, then Pensacola Naval Air Station and Keesler AFB. Thanks for that post Coolbreeze, I might would never thunk the PX purchase thing; I might be able to find a Glock through the PX a little cheaper :2vrolijk_21:I've only seen gun depts at Marine Corps Exchange... They have Glocks here at Lejeune - most sizes from what I recall.
Me too! I never thought about the PX. I haven't been in one but once since I retired. The closest base to me is a Coast Guard Base, then Pensacola Naval Air Station and Keesler AFB. Thanks for that post Coolbreeze, I might would never thunk the PX purchase thing; I might be able to find a Glock through the PX a little cheaper :2vrolijk_21:
dealer im Denver will sell Glocks for a smoking price to Soldiers..... i just found this out.... of course I already own 4 of em..lol
Someone clue me into the ordering a gun from the PX thing?
i am stoopid and have no ideer how to do it
dealer im Denver will sell Glocks for a smoking price to Soldiers..... i just found this out.... of course I already own 4 of em..lol
Someone clue me into the ordering a gun from the PX thing?
i am stoopid and have no ideer how to do it
MCX stocks a range of weapons - but I WAS going to order the Ruger LCP. Got a call this morning from the head of the Outdoor Depart at the MCX, they have a restriction on barrel size, 3.5" or larger...LCP doesn't make the mark.No 'deep concealable' pea-shooters, huh? ::) har! spyder
Oh well.
Sean
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:
TN
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:
TN
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:
TN
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:
TN
I've been reading about the huge surge in sales of these. It's gonna get to the point where you'll be walking along a sidewalk and there will be two people lying on the ground shakin with neither able to turn off the juice because they other guys probes are juicin them.
B B
Nope....been there and done that with one of the early prototypes. Drew the short straw for a test dummy. It will knock you on your a$$!
Uh yea..... did you really buy that thing or a C2?
I just got home from the TASER Master Instructor Course.... much fun.... those of you who might be familiar with Hans M will understand why
the C2 IMHO is a fabulous tool for wifes GFs etc...one of my partners from Taser carries one in his windshield bag on the scoot...
it is designed to deploy the probes and run for 30 seconds whilst you "leave" the area
played with one yesterday
wow
http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx
Might want to check the PX @ Keesler AFB. Been a few years since I was there, but they used to order whatever you wanted. Have you looked at the Glock 36 in .45? I've shot the 26 and 27 and found them to be difficult to grip, especially on the second round of a double-tap. The 36 has the slightly longer and thinner grip. If you get up to N AL before you buy one, PM me and put a 100 or so rounds thru one of mine.i have a magazine extension on my 27 and it makes it easy to grip :2vrolijk_21:
i have a magazine extension on my 27 and it makes it easy to grip :2vrolijk_21:
i have a magazine extension on my 27 and it makes it easy to grip :2vrolijk_21:
Oldest addition to the toybox-Harston & Knox .31 caliber pepperbox 1854
Thanks, mother-in-law gave it to me. Wasn't working, but I took it apart and the cam by the trigger was out of alignment. Put it back together and now trigger functions and barrel rotates with each pull :2vrolijk_21:
My lil ruger lcp is the best carry I had yet even though it is only .380 and beat to practice with...
Yep, I carry. XD-40 service...Never travel with out it.
Does anyone have experience with a SIG SAUER P229 DAK chambered in .40 S&W? I'm interested in range endurance and accuracy after 100 rounds at at 6.5 lb. trigger pull. Thx.
I carry one in 357 Sig!
:2vrolijk_21:
Chip,
Does the double action affect your accuracy after firing numerous rounds? In other words, how does the 6.5 lb. trigger pull wear on you after, say, three magazines of ammo?
Thanks for your input.
Actually Henry it does wear on me.
But the reality is that in a situation that requires more than one clip I'm sure that trigger wear will be the least of my concern.
In target practice I knock out ten then start over.
:2vrolijk_21:
Just what I was looking for. Thanks much, Chip. :2vrolijk_21:
Henry
I'm not the sharpest shooter on the range.
The quality of my Sig and my practice with it certainly gives me confidence to use it effectively should that need arise!
That, and the whole safety/auto de-cock feature provided by the DAK. I really like my H&K and my XD-40, BUT, if I ever have to REALLY use either, my worst fear is an inadvertant, adrenaline fueled discharge into my torso or leg upon reholster. :nervous:
Allegedly, some people carry a 5 shot featherweight .38 S&W with a laser grip sight. Allegedly.
The judge?
I WANTEE !
HOW MUCHEE ?
B B
I think the MSRP I saw was in the low $500 range. You should be able to get one for a bit less.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-ZIo-Wztc
Ha I think I'll buy two load em up with birdshot and walk around the Maine woods huntin Partridge, Woodcock, Pheasant and Quail like a two fisted Dirty Harry
B B
:worthless: :worthless:
That, and the whole safety/auto de-cock feature provided by the DAK. I really like my H&K and my XD-40, BUT, if I ever have to REALLY use either, my worst fear is an inadvertant, adrenaline fueled discharge into my torso or leg upon reholster. :nervous:
I WANTEE !
HOW MUCHEE ?
B B
Got one of those, but it is a compact. Renea has an XD-9 compact. Springfield Armory is spot-on with the entire XD line. I like it better than my H&K USP, and Renea likes her XD-9 better than her Glock 19.
Going to start carrying the Glock 23 and the 38 S & W airweight daily.
Everyone should carry daily. one will do, two is better, but all should carry. It makes for a much more polite society....yes. Col. Colt was correct. ;) har! spyder
Me, .40 Springfield Armory XD. The wife .38 Colt revolver.
Yeah. I carry.......tote......pack.......whatever you want to call it. 'Nuff said.
I believe in love and piece.:2vrolijk_21:
My piece of choice is a Sig 229 in 357Sig.
It's a much better gun than I am a shooter, but my aim is improving.
I share the love with Nancy, all others get the piece.
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Saddlebag buddy changes over time, but current is from the S&W .44 Mag family. Probably go to smaller size wise in .40 cal this next year and attach Brutus here to the front door bell button. :huepfenjump3:
Saddlebag buddy changes over time, but current is from the S&W .44 Mag family. Probably go to smaller size wise in .40 cal this next year and attach Brutus here to the front door bell button. :huepfenjump3:
When I was at my local small gun shop yesterday, the shop was full and the owner was selling everything as fast as he could ring it up. He told me he was on the phone reordering several times a day. He said it had been that way for the last month.
Strange thing is all the business is in handguns, 12 ga. 18" home protection pumps, AK-47's and AR-15's. This is the start of hunting season here and 99% of his business for the last 20 years has been in hunting shotguns and deer rifles.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist (or a MoCo engineer) to figure this out.
Good idea. Don't forget the speedloaders..........lots of speedloaders..........and some extra magazines for the .40 S&W in your saddlebag. :2vrolijk_21:
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week...
No Chit.
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week...What.......
No Chit.
What.......
No PDW in the arsenal?
surely a M4?
A Barrett M95?
question...can a civilian actually legally buy a PDW? with a FFL?
I was having a problem carrying various guns due to their size, so I went to the local shop with the intent to pick up a reliable carry piece. (I already have a compact HK .40 and a Para .45)
I walked out with a Kel Tec 380. , great little piece (compact) (looks like a plastic piece of chit)
but it is reliable and I can completely conceal with no effort. (my 44 mag 8 3/8 Ruger was very hard to conceal)
S&W 586 357 6" revolver to big
S&W 686 357 4" revolver to big
Colt Trooper to big
Para Ordinance 45 to heavy
HK 40 compact still to big
Keltec 380 (PoS) perfect
Had a Kel-Tech stolen from my truck 10 years ago...decent little .380. Grabbed the web of my thumb every so often - that HURTS.I am sure that will happen with my big mitts also (webbing getting caught under the slide), but I do not shoot that gun real often. My Para made me bleed getting the web caught under the hammer. The gun that really punished me was my Ruger 44 mag with scope 2x, I would target shoot with 44 mags (yes I know this is dumb and expensive) and after 20 rounds my middle finger under the trigger guard start bleeding and hurting like I had been hitting it with a hammer (in reality, I was).
got an M4 upper coming from Del-ton (and an A2) - have two lowers (stripped) going to build my own black rifles this time.
No .50 - almost got a Desert Eagle in .50...but no Barretts.
The folks with the most guns win...you wait and see.
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week...
No Chit.
got an M4 upper coming from Del-ton (and an A2) - have two lowers (stripped) going to build my own black rifles this time.
No .50 - almost got a Desert Eagle in .50...but no Barretts.
The folks with the most guns win...you wait and see.
What are they going for down there? I paid $249.00 for Wolf 124 Gr. this week.
Partial to those black rifles myself. If it's bigger than a grapefruit and within 1000 yards, I own it.
Cabela's - 124.99/250 for Black Hills reman .223 and 119.99 for 500 7.62 (and free shipping until the 10th).
Wolf voids the warranty on my Del-ton uppers, any steel case does...harsh stuff that steel case ammo IMHO.
Don't have to worry about that, Romania doesn't honor any warranties. ;D ;D ;D
mine have Stoner lineage...
I found the wolf sticky and dirty...Cheap in more ways than one..imho of course cause I don't know squat.
If not Wolf, what brand of ammo do you guys recommend when U just want to burn powder (a lot of powder)???
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
I am getting ready to dig us deeper in debt with a Dillon 550...my wife is awesome.
I am getting ready to dig us deeper in debt with a Dillon 550...my wife is awesome.
I'll say! Strike while the iron is hot! Kimber?would be cheaper without the impending 500% tax increase...
would be cheaper without the impending 500% tax increase...
I guess I am lucky, no taxes on base, but the gun shop is within 5 miles of a school.
wait and see - I am buying the stuff I know was on the '94 ban, and fear that will quickly be put back into play
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week...
No Chit.
All the newer Bushmaster ARs recommend Wolf, go figure?
FL Marine, if you're gonna build a black gun you might be interested in this
http://www.thegunsource.com/item/85671_Adams_Arms_AR15_Gas_Piston_System.aspx?NID=167
Very cool system
Interesting...the gas system on the M16's has always been an issue with carbon build up.
Thanks
Sean
Specially plinkin wolf. ::)
Just slam the forward assist repeatedly...
Just slam the forward assist repeatedly...Doesn't work for me as mine is pre-forward assist model. Guess I'll just have to resort to cleaning often, huh? ??? spyder
Doesn't work for me as mine is pre-forward assist model. Guess I'll just have to resort to cleaning often, huh? ??? spyder
Know some of your have LCP's... Recall
http://www.ruger.com/LCPRecall/?utm_source=InterMedia&utm_medium=Banner&utm_content=Rectangle&utm_campaign=IM%2BLCPRecall
Prices are only gonna go up...alot.
yepWhich vendor :confused5:
Built my M4 last night, got it all put together, function checked it and wiped it down...had vice scratches all over the upper from the vendor!
I was bummed. Couldn't see them with all the protectant they had on it when it shipped. You can make them out all over the upper.
Gonna ride up to Del-ton Wednesday I think - see if they can trade me out.
Prices are only gonna go up...alot.
yep
Built my M4 last night, got it all put together, function checked it and wiped it down...had vice scratches all over the upper from the vendor!
I was bummed. Couldn't see them with all the protectant they had on it when it shipped. You can make them out all over the upper.
Gonna ride up to Del-ton Wednesday I think - see if they can trade me out.
Which vendor :confused5:
Sean, in your opinion who has the best AR-15 set up on the market and would you go 16' or 20"?
That they are, Sir. That they are, hence my adherence to the 6Ps. :2vrolijk_21:
I found the wolf sticky and dirty...Cheap in more ways than one..imho of course cause I don't know squat.
The whole problems with the Wolf crap is #1 Steel cases but the really big problem is the lacquer they put on the rounds. Weapon heats up lacquer melts , gets sticky, traps carbon and any other crude it can find and then you have a sandpaper like goo in the chamber etc. If you do not clean the weapon in hot and I mean hot soapy water with a lot of elbow grease you will never get all the goo out and any following shooting just keeps adding to the problems. One a foreign made weapon with loose tolerance that is okay but on weapon that has tight tolerances you are just dooming the weapon.
I shoot a lot and the Dillon 550 I have keeps me at about a 50/50 time line. In other words If i shoot for an hour I can reload what I shot in an hour. Which is around 400 to 500 rounds an hour.
Interesting, I thought it was just me that was stuck in cleaning mode. What would y'all suggest instead of Wolf other than reloads?
The whole problems with the Wolf crap is #1 Steel cases but the really big problem is the lacquer they put on the rounds. Weapon heats up lacquer melts , gets sticky, traps carbon and any other crude it can find and then you have a sandpaper like goo in the chamber etc. If you do not clean the weapon in hot and I mean hot soapy water with a lot of elbow grease you will never get all the goo out and any following shooting just keeps adding to the problems. One a foreign made weapon with loose tolerance that is okay but on weapon that has tight tolerances you are just dooming the weapon.scrubbing bubbles - the green/blue can stuff... Learned that at OCS, we would make a 3 layer deep security ring around the deep sink prior to inspections to keep the Sergeant Instructor and/or Platoon Sergeant away from our dubious activities, scrubbing bubbles is amazing and does not hurt the bluing. Final inspection at OCS, I had the armory officer as my inspector, day after we had come out of the field and were busting blanks for days, which are horrible on a chamber. All he could say was "your weapon is too dry"...and he kind of smirked, couldn't find a spec of carbon on it.
I shoot a lot and the Dillon 550 I have keeps me at about a 50/50 time line. In other words If i shoot for an hour I can reload what I shot in an hour. Which is around 400 to 500 rounds an hour.
Usually you can go to a gun show and find some good buys on Surplus Federal. Also the federal Eagle line works good. Really anything that is not steel cased or has a lacquer coating on the case.
Which vendor :confused5:
Where does the opinion lie on a good price for a russian AK right now?
Where does the opinion lie on a good price for a russian AK right now?
there are still kits going for $289...
Hmmm... that sounds like fun. What else would I need besides the kit? and where would I get one from?
I have two of everything but an AK variant, spo it just seems prudent to fill out the collection!
I "carry", but I don't carry my AR.
Maybe this topic is getting off the subject?
Not that there aren't interesting posts about long guns, but I would assume that the topic should be about CCW permits and the use thereof.
I'd ride with my M4...but I am guessing it would cause too much commotion, and probably cause unnecessary drag. Hell, if I got a 14.5 in barrel with the, and the carbine stock...hmmm, might just fit in a bag. They are sold out of lowers, but there are AR-15 Pistol Kits!Times have changed......when my Dad rode his Knucklehead across these United States in the late 30's, he carried a shotgun in a fork-mounted scabbard. Not sure you would get too far with one mounted now. I remember someone on here mentioning that they got pulled over for a sword mounted on a sissy bar in Virginia, I think. :-\ har! spyder
Was joking to the wife that I needed a scabbard for the SERK...easy for my KLR.
Only half kidding
Just go buy an AK parts kit and a receiver flat. You should get everything in the parts kit, other than a useable receiver. That kit should set you back about $125 for a real good one. The receiver flat shouldn't be anymore than $25. NEITHER is an FFL item!!!! The ONLY thing on an AK that's FFL is a "functional" receiver. An unbent peice of metal with some holes in it is just exactly that, so the flat isn't controlled. If you pick up shotgun news or the like, you should be able to go back to one of their many articles that tell you how to take the flat and make it into a functional receiver. I did one a while back, and the ONLY papered item was the prebent receiver I bought for $90. Since it IS a functional receiver, it is papered. I just felt that for my first build, I didn't want to hassle with the buildup of the receiver. It went together pretty easily. After doing it, I realized how easy it would be to make the receiver, especially if all you really have to do is bend it and heat treat it- which is what a better flat takes to "make " it.
What is the status of AR-10 and AR-15 Receivers in your parts? I bought 2 of each last month and sold one of each yesterday for what i paid for all four :bananarock: Sold them to my FFL pal, he is turning them around to make money for himself. Come to find out, these things are now a year out... :nixweiss:
Went over to Del-ton today, got a new upper for my M4 and picked up my A2... Just got done building it about 10 minutes ago, this is addicting.
Feeling the need for another caliber soon, but the PX is out of lowers!
Obama has done wonders for the short term in the gun industry.
Oh well, got mine.
Looking at a Springfield Armory hi-cap now
Sean, in your opinion who has the best AR-15 set up on the market and would you go 16' or 20"?
Went over to Del-ton today, got a new upper for my M4 and picked up my A2... Just got done building it about 10 minutes ago, this is addicting.
Feeling the need for another caliber soon, but the PX is out of lowers!
Obama has done wonders for the short term in the gun industry.
Oh well, got mine.
Looking at a Springfield Armory hi-cap now
Interesting, I thought it was just me that was stuck in cleaning mode. What would y'all suggest instead of Wolf other than reloads?
Sean
Take a look at the SIG P250 Tactical in Digi Cam
Times have changed......when my Dad rode his Knucklehead across these United States in the late 30's, he carried a shotgun in a fork-mounted scabbard. Not sure you would get too far with one mounted now. I remember someone on here mentioning that they got pulled over for a sword mounted on a sissy bar in Virginia, I think. :-\ har! spyder
I'd ride with my M4...but I am guessing it would cause too much commotion, and probably cause unnecessary drag. Hell, if I got a 14.5 in barrel with the, and the carbine stock...hmmm, might just fit in a bag. They are sold out of lowers, but there are AR-15 Pistol Kits!
Was joking to the wife that I needed a scabbard for the SERK...easy for my KLR.
Only half kidding
Spyd,It's just a 'hassle' that we live with as our society ebbs & flows. :soapbox: And I thought it was just my paranoid azz that did that. :-X har! spyder
I recall when I bought my 650 Tiger there was a guy in the Triumph shop that just rode sea to sea with his 30-30 mounted in a scabbard and said he never had a problem with anyone. Circa 1970 when bikers did run into some issues from time to time in some areas of the country, especially if you had long hair etc.
Like you said, with our sorry PC azzes now it wouldn't go over well. You don't even see gun racks in trucks out here anymore.
On another note, there have been increasing gun violence attacks from gangs in malls etc. in the Seattle area these past weeks, may have to carry 24-7 soon.
:soapbox: I still want to know why I have to have a permit to do what the bill of rights says is my right... Do I have to have a license to exercise free speech!?!?!?!?!I was of the understanding that permits are required to conceal carry, and open carry for most states was permissable. :nixweiss:
AAARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
okay, I feel better now. I'm sitting quietly in the dark and pettinjg my kimber.... damn these meprolites are bright!
:soapbox: I still want to know why I have to have a permit to do what the bill of rights says is my right... Do I have to have a license to exercise free speech!?!?!?!?!
AAARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
okay, I feel better now. I'm sitting quietly in the dark and pettinjg my kimber.... damn these meprolites are bright!
no open carry allowed in MAAnd I thought the Commonwealth of Virginia was messed up. :(
no open carry allowed in MAThis post made me do some google searching. Seems there are several states that don't allow open carry for any that are interested and aren't aware here is a good website for resources - Open Carry (http://www.opencarry.org/).
Yup! Love my country and fear my government.
You got to see this: :2vrolijk_21:Very worthwhile! She sure tells it like it is. :2vrolijk_21:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&p
I have a customized Colt .45 ACP I used to shoot competition with, but I leave it in my dresser when I'm at home. I just keep a S&W model 60 in my Denali, but I never carry a piece on me even though I have a CCW permit.
I have been looking at the Ruger .380 LCP for a pocket gun I might actually carry. -Sounds like now's the time to get one.
Always, legally of course. Colt Series 70 Lightweight Commander.45 ACP worked over to perfection by Novak's .45 Shop. Owned since new in 1980. Also, you can't beat a nice wheelgun like a Smith .38 snub or bigger if you are willing, nice because they do not leave spent cases lying around, if you get my drift. If expecting trouble, stay home or take a rifle or shotgun.Great shooter. Just wish mine was the 'lightweight' like yours.......I'd probably choose it more often for CC. 8) har! spyder
I just found a Ruger LCP at a small local gun shop right in Custer. I asked about the recall deal, but the lady who owns the shop didn't seem to know much about it. Anyway, I bought it. When I got home I got on the computer, and sure enough- my new gun is subject to the recall.
I was going to return it, but I started thinking about the fact that although it's a small hassle I would get the upgrades AND a free extra clip so I decided to keep it. I just sent Ruger an email this morning and already received a reply. -Besides, I'm not going to be dropping a loaded gun anytime soon anyway. I just wanted to be sure and get one while the gettin's good.
The thing is, I feel like dejavu all over again with the "product enhancement" deal I just went through with my bike! :confused5:
I just found a Ruger LCP at a small local gun shop right in Custer. I asked about the recall deal, but the lady who owns the shop didn't seem to know much about it. Anyway, I bought it. When I got home I got on the computer, and sure enough- my new gun is subject to the recall.
I was going to return it, but I started thinking about the fact that although it's a small hassle I would get the upgrades AND a free extra clip so I decided to keep it. I just sent Ruger an email this morning and already received a reply. -Besides, I'm not going to be dropping a loaded gun anytime soon anyway. I just wanted to be sure and get one while the gettin's good.
The thing is, I feel like dejavu all over again with the "product enhancement" deal I just went through with my bike! :confused5:
Take the gun down and buff the chamber/reciever/barrel with a scotch brite red pad. Load snap caps into the mag and hand cycle the lil runt a bunch...I did that a few times then with a few snap caps loaded, proceeded to beat the crap out of it, no hammer fall, but I am sending it back anyway. It fired fine with no feed problems spritely recoil with fmj, I imagine the heavy corbons will kick good. I need a mag xtension I think.
I no longer keep one in the chamber to avoid the Plexcio but still carry it and can rack one purty dern quick after a little practice.
What is amazing to me is seeing the caliber (pun intended) of people I see at gun shows signing up for cwp in Fla..The Gunshine state.
yeah...What are " Gold D Bites " ???? :-\ har! :drink:spyder
What are " Gold D Bites " ???? :-\ har! :drink:spyder
....just 'funnin' w/ the Major. :huepfenlol2: har! :drink: spyder
too much :drink: "Gold Bikes rule"
True :'(Buy a Smith 442 alloy .38 snub and put it in your pocket...13 ounces
That is why I swapped out for the cdp this am...Boy is it heavy!
Maybe I should go pick up a 22 mag wheel for the meantime.
Any suggestions, this Kimber is just too big.
Buy a Smith 442 alloy .38 snub and put it in your pocket...13 ounces
Hmmm, wonder if they have orange grips?? :)
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Like this maybe?:ROFLOL: :2vrolijk_21:
Like this maybe?
Seriously though that did peak my interest I like the idea of it being small enough to slip in your pocket. My only concern is I have large hand(s) and wonder about smaller handguns like that. I'll have to stop by a gunshop and put my hands on one, even better find someone that has a few small frame guns and go shoot them.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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I no longer keep one in the chamber to avoid the Plexcio but still carry it and can rack one purty dern quick after a little practice.
Not as quick as a BG pulling the trigger.
I would be willing to bet that Plaxico was handling a Glock. They are an accident waiting to happen to someone who does not train with one constantly, as there is no safety. Catch that "safe action trigger" on something and that bad-boy goes bang if it contains a chambered round. Had a local "federal agent" touch a round off in a mall men"s room while pulling his pants up, no bull!
Maybe a friend is going to get them for it. :nixweiss: ;D
Geeeeeeeeeee
That model doesn't have the chrome hinges either!
What's up with that?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Just don't carry in your waistband...I have heard if it were to fall thru your waistband - it is possible when retreiving it - to shoot yourself in your leg... ??? ??? ???Believe you me I'm not going to be sticking nothing in my waistband. :nervous:
yeah...
I'm used to big frame guns....(http://www.notpurfect.com/main/dw22.jpg)
A little hard to conceal w/an eight inch barrel though. :oops: ;D :D ;D :D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman: Ah yes, the Dan Wesson interchangable barrel system. Amazingly accurate.
Ruger LCP .380 is all I need...wifey has a Taurus PT25. Also have a .357 mag Armenius for my backup (there's a twist for ya) among the rest of the hunting gear I keep in the office.
I have the famed "370" numbered LCP...haven't heard squat from Ruger since registering over a month ago.
I honestly think that Ruger is just getting their chit together for the recall.... thats a lot of guns affected by it..
it'll come
the 110 guys should be used to this ::)
I'm sure they will come through...haven't heard though what the actual additional upgrades are that they say they will be making. I do look forward to getting the freebie mag w/finger grip....looks much nicer than the std.
i have shot with the new mag..it is very nice
Here is a complete kit for Fired00d !Interesting. :2vrolijk_21:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=49906&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15707&isFirearm=Y
What didja shoot through it, all I have used is ball in mine...
I'm not an assault weapons collector but I saw a listing at my gun shop for a Colt AR 15. It noted it is rare and worth having.
Any opinions welcome. It was around $1400.00 and had extra mags etc.
Here is a complete kit for Fired00d !
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=49906&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15707&isFirearm=Y
I think I'll go by there in the morning and see what the deal is with it.Don't know how 'rare' they are, Rog. But I do like mine, of course, I've had it for a very long time. Price is all over the place for them and as you know, condition, condition, condition. ;D har! spyder
I doubt they'd have it posted where they do if they weren't looking for a Colt nut to see it. I know I need to get some additional details to know what I'm talking about anyway.
Don't know how 'rare' they are, Rog. But I do like mine, of course, I've had it for a very long time. Price is all over the place for them and as you know, condition, condition, condition. ;D har! spyder
I'll be checking it out in the AM I hope, I forgot Santa is going on his annual buying trip for the company Christmas party tomorrow and Mrs. Claus will be along (no gun store).
But Santa will be able to stop afterwards. If I have the strength. :2vrolijk_21:
enjoy that trip my friend... and i kinda doubt that AR is all that "rare" for that price, but any AR is a good one :2vrolijk_21:
Devil is in the details I know, so I'll get my research done so I'm not talking out of the orifice I normally am Scot. At least the shopping will be fun.
One thing to pay attention to Roger is the model. I've got a Colt AR that I bought 2 of several years ago that is the Target Match Competition model. Wish I hadn't sold one of them to a friend as I turned down $2600 for mine last week with an AimPoint red dot on it. Seen some standard ones going anywhere from $1000 to $1600 in the past couple of months depending upon condition.
I honestly think that Ruger is just getting their chit together for the recall.... thats a lot of guns affected by it..
it'll come
the 110 guys should be used to this ::)
I must give credit to Ruger in regards to the lcp recall issue.
I spoke with a human that had an american accent, they sent a box for shippingtwo days after speaking with them, sent it ups on the 19th got it back an the 26th with an extra magazine and finger extension(nice) and a ball cap...Very good service, off to the range this week to heat it up...
Is this one like your match? http://www.gunsinternational.com/results.cfm?cid=72
COLT MATCH H-BAR GI#:100065342
COLT MATCH HBAR AR-15 RIFLE, .223/5.56NATO CALIBER, 20" HEAVY BARREL, NO FLASH SUPPRESSOR, LONG HANDGUARD. ADJUSTABLE SIGHTS(A-2), FIXED CARRY HANDLE AND BUTTSTOCK. COMES w/1-9 ROUND MAGAZINE. CONTACT FOR FURTHER DETAIL OR QUESTIONS....more
Seller: DOMINIONOUTDOORS Area Code: 540 $1,299.99
Does Ruger still deny Health Insurance to bikers who choose to ride helmetless in states where it's legal? Many bikers protested Ruger for this policy, led by AMA qand ABATE. Was wondering if this is still the case.
Hoist! 8)
Don't know??? Don't care...they could go to work for someone else if it is that big a deal to them...I would if it were to me...
I must give credit to Ruger in regards to the lcp recall issue.
I spoke with a human that had an american accent, they sent a box for shippingtwo days after speaking with them, sent it ups on the 19th got it back an the 26th with an extra magazine and finger extension(nice) and a ball cap...Very good service, off to the range this week to heat it up...
havent gotten mine back yet...but the outbound experience was about the same
any FFL on site that answer a technical question offline?
Wouldn't think of not carrying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ7cfr9Lso
Funny video .... can't agree with the politically correct left foot/right foot deal though. My training and experience dictates a "double tap" to the center torso followed by a single to the forehead on the way down .... leaves only one live witness to the story .... ::)True dat. :2vrolijk_21:
True dat. :2vrolijk_21:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I would never post weather I did or didn't on a public forum. Never know who might be lurking!But if folks know you are packing, odds are they will not mess with you...
By the way I start my new job with ATF next week!
Mike
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LIE, Just wanted to see the reactions!
;D ;D ;D :drink:
I've noticed that a good many people that I ride with carry guns with them. I'm just not sure how this comes in handy with them locked in the tourpack. At what point do you get a gun out? Is there really a good reason to carry one with you on a bike...versus any other time? This is a serious question. I've been shopping around online lately, looking at them. I'm just not quite sure what the reason I would be getting it for. I would think that I could end up in irreversible trouble by having one. I'm sure I'll spark some people to respond to this one.
Goldarnitalltoheck Dood you're fast on the merge thing. :)Hehehehe. :2vrolijk_21:
Back to topic. :jack:
Goldarnitalltoheck Dood you're fast on the merge thing. :)
Back to topic. :jack:
Quote from: 1abastarsmda on Today at 12:59:26 PM
That aims me at a question, but I'm going to post it as a new topic...regarding guns and bikes.
Have you seen this thread - Do you carry?
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
You mean like a 642....wouldn't know anything about those. 1ABA.... I think your question answers the question you posed, in regards to you packing a firearm.
I've noticed that a good many people that I ride with carry guns with them. I'm just not sure how this comes in handy with them locked in the tourpack. At what point do you get a gun out? Is there really a good reason to carry one with you on a bike...versus any other time? This is a serious question. I've been shopping around online lately, looking at them. I'm just not quite sure what the reason I would be getting it for. I would think that I could end up in irreversible trouble by having one. I'm sure I'll spark some people to respond to this one.I believe you should work through the issues you have mentioned before you buy a gun. There are some excellent books out that should help you. One I would recommend is titled "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob.
I believe you should work through the issues you have mentioned before you buy a gun. There are some excellent books out that should help you. One I would recommend is titled "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob.
I believe you should work through the issues you have mentioned before you buy a gun. There are some excellent books out that should help you. One I would recommend is titled "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob.
I note that this was published in 1980. While it received rave reviews, no doubt there's been many changes in the laws, technology and attitudes in the U.S. over the past 28 years or so. Any idea of a similar reference which is more up to date?I'd still read Ayoob's book.....it covers the basic concepts of using deadly force w/o sugar-coating it and w/o adding the macho precepts. Gotta have your 'mind' right before 'carrying'. :-X spyder
I note that this was published in 1980. While it received rave reviews, no doubt there's been many changes in the laws, technology and attitudes in the U.S. over the past 28 years or so. Any idea of a similar reference which is more up to date?As others have pointed out, the basic concepts don't change, but if you can get your hands on the American Handgunner Personal Defense 2008 special edition annual, it has some really good articles. It was put out August 12, 2008. (There's also a great article in it by Mr. Ayoob). You may be able to order it at www.americanhandgunner.com
I carry because its my right. I have a licence to carry a gun. I do not have a licence to pull my gun. That is something you need to remember. To use your gun to protect your bike would be a good way to lose your bike in a lawsuit. I do not carry it in a tour pak it is on my hip at all time. In my state you do not have to conceal the gun. so, if anyone was messing with my bike and I were to walk up to them with my 45 on my hip, it would get their attention. If you ever do need to pull you gun. Remember dead people can not sue.Oh, but the 'family' will surely take up the civil cause on the deceased' behalf. Not sure I'd want to count on the good judgement of someone observing your weapon, either. :-\ Just saying..... spyder
Oh, but the 'family' will surely take up the civil cause on the deceased' behalf. Not sure I'd want to count on the good judgement of someone observing your weapon, either. :-\ Just saying..... spyder
I've noticed that a good many people that I ride with carry guns with them. I'm just not sure how this comes in handy with them locked in the tourpack. At what point do you get a gun out? Is there really a good reason to carry one with you on a bike...versus any other time? This is a serious question. I've been shopping around online lately, looking at them. I'm just not quite sure what the reason I would be getting it for. I would think that I could end up in irreversible trouble by having one. I'm sure I'll spark some people to respond to this one.
Maybe so, maybe no! If its concealed, then that's where it should remain unless needed. I tend to think that applies to discussing whether someone does or doesn't. That being said Alaska is one of the few states where a CW permit is not required. But, if you are going to carry, I suggest that you attend a CW course and become proficient with the weapon you intend to carry. Many quickly attain a false sense of bravado by simply carrying a sidearm, and that's pure unadulterated B.S. Nothing makes up for constant practice. Have you ever watched the results of a police shoot out? Look how many shots are fired by trained professionals that never hit their target. In an emergency situation your adrenaline rush will be out of control and you'll be damn lucky to hit what you're shooting at. I do intend to agree with an earlier post referrng to a double tap and to that I would add the failure to stop procedure. If you simply shoot to wound, then chances are you really didn't need to. If your life is indeed in danger and you must use deadly force then shoot to end it, not postpone it. Your first duty is to remove yourself from the situation if at all possible, and that will be one of the first questions you'll be asked when the interviews commence. Lastly, there is a huge responsibility that comes with carrying a CW not the least are the multitude of restrictions regarding where you cannot carry a weapon and that includes if you have a CW permit. I hate to harp on this guys, but I carry a weapon for a living and always abide by the four golden rules. If you don't know them, you shouldn't be carrying a firearm of any kind! Be responsible, be careful.
Get a hammerless S&W 38. It fits nicely inside the pocket of the HD leather jacket, or in the back pocket of your jeans. Or so I've heard.
I used to carry just such a novelty baseball bat in my car, years ago. I still don't know who stole it from me. I've been asking some of the guys I ride with, that I didn't already know if they carried a gun when riding. I'm one of the very few that doesn't. It sounds like I am well protected without having to carry one myself. That doesn't mean that I've abandoned the concept entirely. I've been doing a lot of reading on the subject, and may head to a range to find out some more. If I should get one, I want to make sure I am well educated and learn how to shoot. I've only ever shot a gun once in my life...a rifle. Some buddies took me out for target practice (oil cans) and they got mad and took the gun away from me when I hit all 3 cans with my only 3 shots, since they never hit one. It turns out that I had either beginner's luck or a very good eye for this sort of thing. If I ever get to the point of getting out there and firing a weapon again, I'll let you know if I'm actually any good at it. At this point, it's still far down on my priority list.
I'm quoting myself on this one. I'm not getting the answers I was looking for, so I'll try to reword this. I think I'm looking for an example of a time someone on a bike has needed to pull their gun out. I'm trying to figure out what the reason is that so many of these people I ride with carry a gun on their bike, but not in their cars. Am I missing something?
Dave, I'll try and answer your question of, has anyone ever had to pull and shoot while on the Bike? I have never had to nor have I seen it done, that includes my OL days. Kind of gives old west feel. I do carry, all the time, and have unholstered maybe a dozen times in 25 years, once to fire, and then it was them or me. The military taught me to use the "minimum amount of force" to subdue the situation, and then Special Forces taught me to "go for the jugular" right off the bat. So a whole lot of common sense has got to come into play. When my wife took the CW classes, she felt most of the other women in the class should NEVER carry a weapon, kinda scared her. But she took that Colt Python and put 100% in center mass. She carries ALL the times while working and riding, not a women you'd want to cross, or cut in line in front of at the store.
What I have found that removes the use of deadly force is those little novelty baseball bats. I carry one on the bike, while on trips I have it so my left hand can access it. I drill the top out and fill with lead. wont kill anyone, but will get there attention. Unless you strike a blow to the sweet spot of the melon, so don't do that.
Here's a little tip, if ever in a bar fight and you need to use a pool cue as a weapon, take the fat end whack the tip end on the pool table fast to break the tip off. then it's a stick, a pool cue can be considered a deadly weapons, a stick...........is a stick.
double tap, make sure he cant appear in court, to dipsute your side of the story
Did he say Lapdance surgery? what, she throw your back out?
Good luck
This come up on this site yet ??
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/legislation.htm
The way I read it it would apply to handloads also.
Try it again.Never could spell to good.
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/legislation.htm
Or drive it underground....of all the things to worry about...if they need revenue just tax it...you mean like blue pickle barrels with desiccant and 12" PVC, sealed at both ends to make them water tight - scattering scrap metal in the yard to throw off metal detectors?
This would effectively kill hand loading and from what I have read it mandates the turn in of all current inventories.
H.R. 1022 that is other issue
Bad times ahead
That sure is a 'pretty' pistol, Miker......but I still see nothing wrong with my Colt .45 1911s, in different sizes for different purposes. ;) har! spyderYou're right spyder Colt makes a pretty good .45. Just not a very good cc handgun in my opinion.
Sure you would it's a $1400 gun. I've owned 4 and still have a ultra cdp and a raptor II. Like most people that don't shoot 100 rounds a month if you carry a hand gun with one in the pipe and the hammer back bad things are going to happen if you need to use it in a hurry. I'm not a big glock fan for the same reason. And you're right everyone is entitled to their opinion. And mine is that nothing is even a close second for cc handgun. Extremely accurate even to a novice, lots of knock down, no recoil and keep one in the chamber and most people couldn't figure out how to shoot it if they took it away from you. Ultimate carry weapon!! 8)
Yup Lew, I will keep my eye out for one, handsome with a wood grip..Yep I feel your pain. I love the ultra cdp. Its as good looking as anything I've ever owned. Or it was until I put it under the vettes seat and the memory setting ran over the wood. Ouch!! Backstrapping will eat my hand up if I shoot it very much. The 9mm is a good round, I can get back on target much faster and without any flash at night. I wish I could find a 13 shot but the grip would be a lot bigger. One of the things I really like about the H&K it has a good size grip and long enough fo all my fingers but a short slide. And with the weird safety... try one you will love it.Especially if you like playing with guns!!!
That is why I went with the lcp, like a vacation from the cdp. I felt bad dinging it up.
The lil ruger is not too bad to shoot ball out of at practice time but it stings with the gold dot.
Almost bought a seecamp but after seeing that P7M8 and hearing the testimony, let the hunt begin!
It is the height of gunshow season downhere, I'll be lookin...I do not own any HK but have an open mind when it comes to firearms! ;) :DExcellent there are a few sights for the holster wear but if you see anything that looks good for cc let me know. than :bananarock:ks
I have 5k through mine and still need a takedown pin, kimbers are worth it..I have a 300 winmag I used to hunt with...>1moa at 100
I have 5k through mine and still need a takedown pin, kimbers are worth it..I have a 300 winmag I used to hunt with...>1moa at 100Don't do much rifle hunting anymore but weapon of choice is a 7 winmag. Doing a lot more bird hunting hunting and sporting clays. Love to watch the dogs work!!
No, but I remember custom load, I cannot recall the spec...Kimbers are custom built and a treat to own.Its the new grey hair club. Did some hog hunting up here with the new S&W 500 hunting version with the sling and such. Shot good when I didn't flinch. Then it started spitting metal at me through the break at least I thought so.........long story. anyway I don't have it anymore.
I have not fired in years, prolly should when the range has the 300 meter alley open. It sits. I need a new spotting scope..
My AR was put into service hunting hogs via 4 wheeler with S&W 357 wheel 7 1/2 barrel sidearm for cutting through palm fronds, but those days down here are now waning too as the desperate need of gated communities, golf courses and shopping malls has taken much hunting ground out of the limited natural space. :-\
A respectful disagreement from me but I am biased like a Gator alum...
Yep I feel your pain. I love the ultra cdp. Its as good looking as anything I've ever owned. Or it was until I put it under the vettes seat and the memory setting ran over the wood. Ouch!! Backstrapping will eat my hand up if I shoot it very much. The 9mm is a good round, I can get back on target much faster and without any flash at night. I wish I could find a 13 shot but the grip would be a lot bigger. One of the things I really like about the H&K it has a good size grip and long enough fo all my fingers but a short slide. And with the weird safety... try one you will love it.Especially if you like playing with guns!!!
Get a hammerless S&W 38. It fits nicely inside the pocket of the HD leather jacket, or in the back pocket of your jeans. Or so I've heard.
Oh no...am I getting sucked into another hobby
that's going to get expensive?
To the above YES and YES :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2:
ya but Dave, at least you don't need to use a dremel on a gun, unless you really want to.Leave it to you to hit me with the dremel again. Not only have I gotten better with it, I found out some more uses for it. Look...I can do my own dental work now...
Well, I got a chance to go fire my new S&W 38 Special at the range tonight. I was glad when I walked in and saw one of my old neighbors that has a Street Glide there. He introduced me to the only 4 other people there at the time. One of the guys set up next to me and saw me shooting at the target and when I pulled the target in, he said he was a bit worried when he saw me shooting that far away with my gun. He thought that I was actually hitting the target. He told me that I was out of range for my gun and had me bring the target within range. Then I started hitting real well...I think I was at about 25 feet. He told me that was real good and that my gun was really meant for more like a 15 to 20 foot shot at most and that it was a great self defense weapon, but not much for target shooting. He knew that I just bought the gun, but had no idea that I had never shot one before. Then he started pulling out some of his different guns and had me try them. He moved the targets back out further and had me give them a try. I'll be darned, but I hit inside the target with all my shots and even hit the bullseye on one shot. Then I told him that this was my first time shooting. He told me that I was doing extremely well with no experience and that I picked a good gun for self defense and that if I wanted to get good at target shooting, he can get some other guns for me to try so I can get another to use for longer distance targets. So, what I'm saying is I found a real nice guy that was very willing to help out and he doesn't sell guns. He told me the place I got mine was by far the best dealer around this area. I don't even know what kind of guns these were that I was firing, but I quickly found out how much easier it was to aim and pull the trigger with the hammer cocked and firing single action. I fired off all 50 bullets that I had, as well as about another 30 of his. Anyway, I'm glad that I found a place real closeby that I feel comfortable going to practice. I may take a liking to this. If I do make it a regular stop, I may just have to go get myself another gun that would be better equipped for target practice. Oh no...am I getting sucked into another hobby that's going to get expensive?7 yards...so your 25' is about right for close in practice
7 yards...so your 25' is about right for close in practice
Work a double tap with a 38, one double action, on single action if that works (you may have DA only)
also try a fire from the hip/holster - pointing/pushing with your left hand (assuming you are a righty)...to simulate you are being harassed at close range, draw and shoot while pushing an attacker way to get yourself some distance to draw/shoot.
15 yards is about the outside range for long distance on that - we do 25 yards for qual also - slow fire single action only stuff
guns are as addicting as MC's to me... AR's and AK's have been my obsession lately, I am building a Romanian "G" AK currently, it is de-milled and waiting on a new receiver, which I am bending from a flat - this is a no kidding build it yourself gun, fun!
Sean
Welcome to spending money on things that go boom....
Remember Kimbers are worth every penny and you should have (see: need) at least on black gun...AR's are very handy...
My latest "need" a .458 Lott Kimber model 8400...Stump knocker...Or the 84M in .308 or....a new 44 magnum wheel, Ruger prolly
When MOA becomes a obession, you know it is too late...
http://www.kimberamerica.com/index.php
Optics are a whole other ball game...I do have a crimson trace laser on my rugher lcp 380...accurate to the 15-25 foot range...It shows you how unsteady your hand really is...But it may give more confidence in the defensive stance the Major was talkin about...Don't put the red dot on your hand.
Yep shooting can become very adicting.
And as some one else said, Kimbers are worth it. The single action on them is smooth and they are very accurate guns.
Sad thing is, at first I wanted one gun. Then I wanted another, and got it, then another and so one, and it seems the more I have the more I want.
Loved the story about the Kimber and mugger
1abastarsmda the other thing...when you buy your gun safe,,, buy one so big that you will say to yourself, "I'll never need all that space"...
You will...you will.... "Luke, come to the dark side"...
My Fort Knox Defender is 41' wide, weighs 1200 pounds and is configured to be a 15 gun easy access, that is 15 long arms(I have traded and sold some over the years)...it also holds 2 dozen handguns, ammo, documents and other gee gaws and is full. If I had the room, I'd just secure a full room and install a vault door...I have it bad...
http://www.ftknox.com/
I think until I get a little more comfortable with it, I'd be afraid of shooting my own left hand trying that manuever just yet. I've got to go out and get some more ammo now. It looks like there is a wide swing in prices from place to place and it's not cheap. I guess when I heard mention of ammo prices going up, I didn't pay attention, since it wasn't something that mattered to me...until now.depends on the caliber...but yeah, it has gone through the roof lately...something about Jan 20th.
Whoa...slow down. I don't think I'm ready for that quite yet. I just figured out that you must have meant 41", not 41', but still. Right now I still only have one gun that will fit in my pocket and I've only been out to shoot it once. I think (at least I hope) that I won't need a safe like that for quite some time. :nixweiss:
1abastarsmda the other thing...when you buy your gun safe,,, buy one so big that you will say to yourself, "I'll never need all that space"...
You will...you will.... "Luke, come to the dark side"...
My Fort Knox Defender is 41' wide, weighs 1200 pounds and is configured to be a 15 gun easy access, that is 15 long arms(I have traded and sold some over the years)...it also holds 2 dozen handguns, ammo, documents and other gee gaws and is full. If I had the room, I'd just secure a full room and install a vault door...I have it bad...
http://www.ftknox.com/
COME TO THE DARK SIDE....... would love to but .... I live in NY :rifle: :nixweiss:
Whoa...slow down. I don't think I'm ready for that quite yet. I just figured out that you must have meant 41", not 41', but still. Right now I still only have one gun that will fit in my pocket and I've only been out to shoot it once. I think (at le :Dast I hope) that I won't need a safe like that for quite some time. :nixweiss:
.... would love to but .... I live in NY :rifle: :nixweiss:
secure room is already in the planning stages for the "final house" as I call it - cinder block, wire reinforced, fire suppression with a steel door, filtered humidity controlled air in the center of the house...
yeah, I'm nuts
Let's just say that I'm still into my bike more than the gun.I obsess about both equally...and my woodworking also (and fly fishing, and hunting and computers and somewhere in there my kids and wife)
secure room is already in the planning stages for the "final house" as I call it - cinder block, wire reinforced, fire suppression with a steel door, filtered humidity controlled air in the center of the house...
yeah, I'm nuts
abastarsmda pick upp one of these if you find one... :P
secure room is already in the planning stages for the "final house" as I call it - cinder block, wire reinforced, fire suppression with a steel door, filtered humidity controlled air in the center of the house...
yeah, I'm nuts
Just bought a 45 cal Colt 1911 style. Made in 1950's. Never fired, still in the original box with horse hair brush and paper manual. Also it was wrapped in like a waxy type paper I guess to keep corrosion at bay. My dilemma is , should I shoot this one or should I clean it up and just keep it as a antique. I still want to buy a daily shooter, same style. Any input would be appreciated.............................Fuzz :nixweiss:
Sean .... you might want to look at some of the safe room manufacturers. We're just finishing up building our new home (last one burned totally to the ground last year .... nasty deal, especially a couple of custom .45's that melted into 1/4 inch sheets of metal that I had built for work a while back) and looked at all the options. There are several nationwide companies that deliver the finished product with very strong ratings that end up a cleaner and less costly installation. I'm going to look at a couple of finished installs and can forward you the info if you like in a couple of weeks.gtg - always looking to gather information for "the compound" intended for my retirement - and the imminent apocolypse... :rifle: :rifle:
gtg - always looking to gather information for "the compound" intended for my retirement - and the imminent apocolypse... :rifle: :rifle:
Will get it to you after I take a first hand look. Got to agree on the "compound"... ours is nearly finished, got the high ground on the mountain top, 90 acres, 663 yards measured to the front gate and one way in and out ..... bet it's close to the compound you have in mind.....
defensible perimeter - elevation, good fields of fire, source of water...all on the list
just love calling it "the compound" :)
Whats the signal for entry or frendlies?
Whats the signal for entry or frendlies?
hold up the six pack...
HeHe!!! Or buy Sean lunch!!! ;D ;D ;D ;) :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:that'll work 8)
Hoist! 8)
But don't wave the six pack around that just draws fire, plus it shakes up the beer.and it better not be Bud or Bud Light...that gets you shot in the leg
hold up the six pack...
...or a Mason jar with clear liquid... Actually, flying the Marine Corp Flag on top of the mountain functions as a self-sorting device ..... I've observed some very rapid u-turns.
depends on the caliber...but yeah, it has gone through the roof lately...something about Jan 20th.
Reloading always and option and one that I find quite satisfying - love reloading.
You have to be totally focused, no outside distractions - very zen, your other "stuff" goes away as your punching primers and watching and measuring grains.
If anyone would want to get into reloading let me know. I have most everything for handloading rifles, not shotguns. Press, scales, and dies for..(Going off memory here) 223, 243, 308, 30-06, 270...maybe more..maybe less. I'd let it go lots cheaper than new. I have no idea what new is worth.
I honestly think that Ruger is just getting their chit together for the recall.... thats a lot of guns affected by it..
it'll come
the 110 guys should be used to this ::)
I've had my LCP for over 6 weeks now. -Still haven't heard back from Ruger.
Got a note from Ruger after I sent them an inquiry about where my LCP was at....said 4-6 week delay due to replacement parts being delayed. Their website still says one week turnaround after they receive it. They've had mine for approx. three weeks now.
I've had my LCP for over 6 weeks now. -Still haven't heard back from Ruger.
I got my CTC laser on though, along with my De Santis Nemesis holster and Winchester Silver tip ammo.
I guess it doesn't matter that it's taking so long, seems like a small thing compared to the screwing around with my 110 motor.
Sweet little piece though. Fits nicely in my riding vest or just a jeans pocket with that holster. It's so light and compact that you barely notice you're carrying. -Perfect for ANY bar situation :drink:. (Just kidding)
Attention, has anyone seen this?
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
Scary stuff....... we cannot allow this to happen
I got an email on it attributing it to the new admin. It ran last year in Washington and died in committee.H.R. 1022 is a bigger and more realistic concern
I imagine it will continue being pushed.
Steve, does that holster stay in place well? I haven't seen one in person to make a decision on buying one...seen 'em advertised everywhere...even on ebay.It's a pocket holster. Not an IWB or anything. I absolutely love the thing. I got mine on sale from Midway USA last month for about $15. It has a somewhat "tacky" exterior that stays in place when you draw the holster. And it has a tab that helps keep the gun from printing. I highly recommend it.
I've read several of the responses on this string and wondered if those of you who actually do carry a gun while riding ever think about or get concerned about being stopped by police and what you would do if they asked you if you were carrying and decided to search you or your ride? Would that not be a situation where you'd be in a world of trouble from which there is no way to talk yourself out of unless you have some sort of permit for concealed carry that is acceptable for wherever it is that you're stopped? ThanksI would think (hope) those that are carrying and speaking of it here are wise enough to have permits to carry when/where necessary. :nixweiss:
I would think (hope) those that are carrying and speaking of it here are wise enough to have permits to carry when/where necessary. :nixweiss:If they do not have a permit, they are separating bullets from gun?
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Fired00d
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I've read several of the responses on this string and wondered if those of you who actually do carry a gun while riding ever think about or get concerned about being stopped by police and what you would do if they asked you if you were carrying and decided to search you or your ride? Would that not be a situation where you'd be in a world of trouble from which there is no way to talk yourself out of unless you have some sort of permit for concealed carry that is acceptable for wherever it is that you're stopped? ThanksSome (many?) states have some form of a two step law - if you do not have a concealed permit, the weapon has to be two steps from being capable of being employed.
I would think (hope) those that are carrying and speaking of it here are wise enough to have permits to carry when/where necessary. :nixweiss:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Washington State does have reciprocity but it is with a hodge podge of States that are not linked so it is impossible to legally carry and ride out of State.
Can a non-resident get a permit from one of the States that are in the 33 State group with Florida?
Washington State does have reciprocity but it is with a hodge podge of States that are not linked so it is impossible to legally carry and ride out of State.
Can a non-resident get a permit from one of the States that are in the 33 State group with Florida?
i wish we could have a federal standard good in all 50 like a drivers license is
Wouldn't that be allowing the Feds too much control over States (rights)? ::) spyder
Might be 2 ways to look at it Spyder. It may be the only way to minimize the psychotic anti gun crazies in states such as NY and CA.;D :2vrolijk_21: .......just hate to crack open that door, who knows what'll get out. :-X har! spyder
they way i look at it MA has some of the strictest gun laws already, so in this case having a federal standard would be better for me
true but with all the states your stuff is currently honored in wouldnt it be nice if you didnt have to worry about the restWill not cover them all, but if you get a Utah (nonresident) to go along w/your current state of residence permit you will be surprised how many states you can carry in.
Or it could ruin it for the rest of us that live in states with realistic gun laws! :nervous:Exactly. Travel w/ Concealed Carry license is confusing as reciprocity keeps 'changing', but the States are the ones that have made progress in this 'freedom', and we'd surely lose if we 'nationalized' the process. I'm just glad to be able to 'legally' carry for the past 15 or so years in my home state and some of the others that I travel thru.....but, not about to go about un-armed in todays society in any case. Too old to run fast anymore. ??? :oops: har! spyder
I heard if that Florida's concealed weapons permit is recipricol with most states on the east coast, except NJ, AND MA. Is this true?Here is a map showing what states Fla has reciprocity with - Florida CC (http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf), and you can check here for other states - US Handgun Laws (http://www.handgunlaw.us/) (link from earlier post). One of the things you have to be aware of when checking those states is some only accept resident permits from some states. So if you have a nonresident permit of a state they do have reciprocity with it doesn't count if you have a nonresident permit from that state.
Here is a map showing what states Fla has reciprocity with - Florida CC (http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf), and you can check here for other states - US Handgun Laws (http://www.handgunlaw.us/) (link from earlier post). One of the things you have to be aware of when checking those states is some only accept resident permits from some states. So if you have a nonresident permit of a state they do have reciprocity with it doesn't count if you have a nonresident permit from that state.Thanks Dood, been wanting to do this for a while now. :2vrolijk_21:
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Fired00d
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Nice......
I have not bought a new gun in almost 6 months...the road to recovery is not easy....I do not own a 44 mag and need one...in stainless....and a hk p2000...and....
Nice......
I have not bought a new gun in almost 6 months...the road to recovery is not easy....I do not own a 44 mag and need one...in stainless....and a hk p2000...and....
I hear ya. The wife almost fell for the " Hon I made an investment " for the one I bought last week. She dose'nt know about the Commander yet. Maybe she'll believe it's a buy one and get one sale. :huepfenlol2:
By the way I just picked up a Colt Combat Commander yesterday.My personal favorite. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
I've made up for you... 2 AR's and 5 AK kits, plus 2k in rounds (going to sell off a kit or two - I think), also have another stripped lower waiting with my FFL hookup
I will NOT be caught off guard like I was in '94
Holy sheep chit!! You da man. Was almost tempted to pick up a Bushmaster. Gotta let the wife digest the first two....................I got an e-mail from the wife...quote "If _ _ _ _ _ gets elected, buy guns", so I did/am.
...freakin overachiever....
I am at idle with the kidults coming back home and clearing all my superbowl bets...
1 AR (S&W with trijicon optics), 1 Benelli M4 autoload 12 ga(with trijicon paralax optics), 1 Kimber 8400 in 300 winmag, scoped Gammo grown up .177 spring fired pellet...
1 357 mag S&W 7 1/2 barrel, 1 Kimber CDP in 45 acp, 1 Ruger LCP 380 auto. with crimson trace dot.
500 rd pitbull mag 12ga, 5k fed fmj ball 10 teflon coated mags with quickpull, 500ish 357, 45, 200ish 380 gold dot..
I need the Kimber 8400 Caprivi in .458 Lott in case of water buffalo getting loose from Lion Country Safari!
Thats my story and I am sticking with it...And the new 84M is wikit tactikool too!
No AK? whats wrong with me....??? Need to keep up with the Major!
Good lord... :o....you make my head spin with all those 'goodies'. I bet you had all the best matchbook cars as a kid too. I'm copying this gun list, affixing it to the wall by my 'puter and going to drool over it for who knows how long now. :-[ :P :-X :o aaaaaagh. :drink: spyder
...freakin overachiever....
I am at idle with the kidults coming back home and clearing all my superbowl bets...
1 AR (S&W with trijicon optics), 1 Benelli M4 autoload 12 ga(with trijicon paralax optics), 1 Kimber 8400 in 300 winmag, scoped Gammo grown up .177 spring fired pellet...
1 357 mag S&W 7 1/2 barrel, 1 Kimber CDP in 45 acp, 1 Ruger LCP 380 auto. with crimson trace dot.
500 rd pitbull mag 12ga, 5k fed fmj ball 10 teflon coated mags with quickpull, 500ish 357, 45, 200ish 380 gold dot..
I need the Kimber 8400 Caprivi in .458 Lott in case of water buffalo getting loose from Lion Country Safari!
Thats my story and I am sticking with it...And the new 84M is wikit tactikool too!
No AK? whats wrong with me....??? Need to keep up with the Major!
...freakin overachiever....
I am at idle with the kidults coming back home and clearing all my superbowl bets...
1 AR (S&W with trijicon optics), 1 Benelli M4 autoload 12 ga(with trijicon paralax optics), 1 Kimber 8400 in 300 winmag, scoped Gammo grown up .177 spring fired pellet...
1 357 mag S&W 7 1/2 barrel, 1 Kimber CDP in 45 acp, 1 Ruger LCP 380 auto. with crimson trace dot.
500 rd pitbull mag 12ga, 5k fed fmj ball 10 teflon coated mags with quickpull, 500ish 357, 45, 200ish 380 gold dot..
I need the Kimber 8400 Caprivi in .458 Lott in case of water buffalo getting loose from Lion Country Safari!
Thats my story and I am sticking with it...And the new 84M is wikit tactikool too!
No AK? whats wrong with me....??? Need to keep up with the Major!
Neal,They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!
Fairyland (Maryland) is another that nobody reciprocates with and getting your permit there is absolutely ridiculous. You have to have been assaulted and robbed AND there has to be a police report about it. Only then can you apply! My brother was robbed at gun point at an ATM, but didn't file a police report, so he can't get a permit. Most folk just carry anyway- all the criminals do and the people that would be reasonable law abiding citizens. There has been a national right to carry bill started, but I don't remember who started it. The NRA site will have it if anybody is interested.
They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!Voting public needs to oust politicians that will not change it or sue them. In PA local Governments are to issue CP's and the threat of a law suit over a denial changed everything here. No one wanted to defend a decision to "not issue" a CP in the event bodily harm then came about.
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They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!A DC cop can't carry concealed in MD? That's asinine. Jeezuz, tell him to move his butt into VA then.
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Fired00d
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Currently concealed carry is prohibited, but open carry is not...
Right-to-Carry Reform Bill Heads to Senate Floor in Virginia!
Wednesday, January 28, 2009
On Wednesday, January 28 the Senate Courts of Justice Committee passed Senate Bill 1035 by a 9-6 vote. This bill is similar to last year’s bill that was passed and ultimately vetoed by Governor Tim Kaine (D).
Sponsored by Senator Emmett Hanger, Jr. (R-24), SB1035 would permit a Right-to-Carry permit holder to carry a concealed firearm into a restaurant, provided they notify a designated employee that they posses a concealed handgun and do not consume any alcohol.
Currently, concealed carry permit holders dining in restaurants that serve alcohol must leave their firearm at home or locked in their vehicle where it is at risk of being stolen. Despite passing a background check and possessing a state issued permit to carry, law-abiding permit holders are forced to give up their right to self-defense when dining in establishments that serve alcohol. The need for this legislation is clear.
Please contact your State Senator TODAY and respectfully urge them to support SB1035. Contact information can be found by clicking here.
You may also contact your Senator at their Richmond office at (804) 698-7410 or (804) 698-1470.
A DC cop can't carry concealed in MD? That's asinine. Jeezuz, tell him to move his butt into VA then.It sure is!!! :zstupid:
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you can get non-resident Florida carry permits, but I don't think its a full up round like my resident one...
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html
I want to get me one of these.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c&NR=1
They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!Hey Fired00d,
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Fired00d
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Just out of curiosity Sean, what did you mean by this?
Around where I live gun control is defined as how accurate you place your round on it's intended target! :bananarock:West Tenn. is for me! :2vrolijk_21: har! spyder
I've read several of the responses on this string and wondered if those of you who actually do carry a gun while riding ever think about or get concerned about being stopped by police and what you would do if they asked you if you were carrying and decided to search you or your ride? Would that not be a situation where you'd be in a world of trouble from which there is no way to talk yourself out of unless you have some sort of permit for concealed carry that is acceptable for wherever it is that you're stopped? Thanks
You have to know the laws of the states you travel in. I have a concealed carry permit, good in 35 states. You even need to know, some states require you to notify the officer you have a loaded gun, others do not.thankfully I have never been pulled over while carrying, but my instructions from an NRA instructor friend were always to roll down the window, both hands on the wheel if in my truck...and tell the officer that you have a loaded gun AND a permit.
Ill and WI do not honor any carry permits for example.
If not asked, don't tell............Especially about weapons in the car.guess that works unless they have some reason for wanting to get in your face, then that little non-disclosure could end you up on the deck with your hands behind your back wondering what happened
Last time I was detained, by the time the leo got close, the truck was off, windows down and papers at the ready...Never was asked about the weapon(s) so I did not volunteer anything...
I got a warning......A good ol Okeechobee County Sherriff motor officer.
I mostly try and avoid them, especially since they aren't home grown anymore...
correct me if I’m wrong but the supreme court decided that individuals have the right to bear arms. No question on your property, and your vehicle is such. by obtaining a cwp permit you agree to whatever the terms are by signing the agreement. the criminal element isn’t gonna respect the gun laws. :nixweiss: How many places is it legal for the citizen to open carry?
TN
thankfully I have never been pulled over while carrying, but my instructions from an NRA instructor friend were always to roll down the window, both hands on the wheel if in my truck...and tell the officer that you have a loaded gun AND a permit.That is the best way to handle it. In Va. your CWP is tied to your drivers license so if the LEO runs DL it will come back that you also have a CWP. It's better to let them know beforehand, tell them if you are/are not carrying at the time, let them know where it is, and ask them how they would like to proceed.
Results from two friends are that it ends up with you on the hood, weapon in an unloaded state and an hour or more fro the stop. Guess that depends on the cop.
On the MC I think I would do the same - short of rolling the windows down. Mine are stuck open, and he would have a hard time putting me on the hood.
BAHAHAHAHAHA, funny from a Floridian with a Boston Accent!!! :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao:
I could walk in the bank with a 6 shooter strapped to my side here if I wanted to. But, it would be illegal to hide it, unless I had a permit.
correct me if I’m wrong but the supreme court decided that individuals have the right to bear arms. No question on your property, and your vehicle is such. by obtaining a cwp permit you agree to whatever the terms are by signing the agreement. the criminal element isn’t gonna respect the gun laws. :nixweiss: How many places is it legal for the citizen to open carry?Not so simple. Example of the way laws vary: In N.C. it is illegal to have a pistol 'concealed as in the glove box or under the seat, it must be visable to someone walking up to the car and in S.C. it is illegal to have a pistol visable, it must be concealed as under the seat or in the glove box. spyder
TN
Slightly off topic but I would appreciate some input about what scope to select for my newly acquired Bushmaster Predator 20" bbl AR15 223 rifle. If any of you have something similar with scope, what do you like? What to avoid?
Thanks, Plasmaman
Slightly off topic but I would appreciate some input about what scope to select for my newly acquired Bushmaster Predator 20" bbl AR15 223 rifle. If any of you have something similar with scope, what do you like? What to avoid?
Thanks, Plasmaman
Wish I could help, but I'm partial to iron sights. Scopes are too finicky when trying to get on stand. One good bump and the weapon is useless until it is boresighted and harmonized.
Even more slightly off topic, noticed you were a Huey driver. Dustoff? Guns? Assault?
Really love that machine. My employer produces the UH-60 (S-70), and I've long (25 years) subscribed to the theory that when the Army turns in the the last Blackhawk, the flight crew will be picked up by a UH-1. :)
Slightly off topic but I would appreciate some input about what scope to select for my newly acquired Bushmaster Predator 20" bbl AR15 223 rifle. If any of you have something similar with scope, what do you like? What to avoid?
Thanks, Plasmaman
Found a new "gota have now", Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II. Anyone know of aHe!! no.. that's one nice looking piece. :2vrolijk_21:goodreason for me to stop this impulse?
Found a new "gota have now", Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II. Anyone know of agoodreason for me to stop this impulse?
None that I can think of, Mark. Go for it, but allow me to tempt you even further. I don't own a Sig Sauer........yet! But when I do, and it will be this year, it will be this: http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=61&productid=233 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=61&productid=233) . I have long admired their "Mastershop" series, but they're akin to our beloved CVO bikes, except they're custom made for the individual customer. Requires much planning and saving. :2vrolijk_21:
Ok guys, you are sending me a lot of info. I am not familiar with the items discussed. What sight does the military use today? Also in answer to the question, I flew Huey D model choppers for first 6 months in Nam and B model Huey gunship for last 6 months. You ain't shot anything untill you shoot 3.75 folding fin rockets. That is a kick in the butt. Guess they feel the same way about all of the new weapons the military has today.
Plasmaman
Damn Henry I was looking for you to talk me out this impulse buy, not tempting me to part with more $$$$$$. Stop it, I weak you know. ;D ;D ;D
Can't hear you, I have my eyes closed. ;D ;D ;D
Ok guys, you are sending me a lot of info. I am not familiar with the items discussed. What sight does the military use today? Also in answer to the question, I flew Huey D model choppers for first 6 months in Nam and B model Huey gunship for last 6 months. You ain't shot anything untill you shoot 3.75 folding fin rockets. That is a kick in the butt. Guess they feel the same way about all of the new weapons the military has today.
Plasmaman
I have done a fair amount of internet searching and am finding that many of the sights, ammo, etc are just simply sold out and on back order. Our few local stores are sold out as well. I purchased the last 100 rounds of 223 in town yesterday.
Plasmaman
43 years and 25 pounds ago. Back when I had hair. Soc Trang Viet Nam (down in the delta). Call sign Thunderbird 3
Here's the newest addition to my handgun collection, and the catalyst to purchase more ammunition. :)
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16970.0;attach=101523;image)
Mark,::) :2vrolijk_21:
The Ultra's are great pistols. I have a Covert. It shoots great. Prepare for some forearm abuse if you shoot it alot. But that will be the same for any of the compact 45's. If you put 200 rounds a week through one, you'll see what I mean.
Mark,'Lightweight' carry-pistols are great for 'carrying'. :) har! spyder
The Ultra's are great pistols. I have a Covert. It shoots great. Prepare for some forearm abuse if you shoot it alot. But that will be the same for any of the compact 45's. If you put 200 rounds a week through one, you'll see what I mean.
Here's 2 new pistols that I picked up recently. Both HK's are very solid shooters, cleaning and maintenance is a breeze. Even though it is the larger of the two, as a daily carry pistol I prefer the HK45 and I just wear a Pendleton board shirt to assist with concealability. I expect that during the warmer months I won't be carrying the HK45 due to it's size. It is nice to have a few pistols to choose from for daily carry. Better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.
(http://www.ccpos.com/hk45/P1010030-2.jpg)
No need for a front security gate, just get one of these.I can't find one of these at my local gun dealer, but they DO look pretty cool. I'm wondering if I could pull it behind my bike on a small trailer. -Perfect for the Sturgis Rally! :huepfenjump3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbcZCD05fO0
Plasmaman
thankfully I have never been pulled over while carrying, but my instructions from an NRA instructor friend were always to roll down the window, both hands on the wheel if in my truck...and tell the officer that you have a loaded gun AND a permit.I have been stopped once carrying in the car. I let the officer know, as was required by law of the state. It was a short painless stop. Took no longer than any other stop, and officer let me out of the speeding ticket.
Results from two friends are that it ends up with you on the hood, weapon in an unloaded state and an hour or more fro the stop. Guess that depends on the cop.
On the MC I think I would do the same - short of rolling the windows down. Mine are stuck open, and he would have a hard time putting me on the hood.
If not asked, don't tell............Especially about weapons in the car.That is against the law in many states.
Last time I was detained, by the time the leo got close, the truck was off, windows down and papers at the ready...Never was asked about the weapon(s) so I did not volunteer anything...
I got a warning......A good ol Okeechobee County Sherriff motor officer.
Found a new "gota have now", Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II. Anyone know of agoodreason for me to stop this impulse?
That is against the law in many states.How 'bout Florida or Virginia? :nixweiss: spyder
For example it is the law you inform the officer you have a loaded weapon in Lousiana, SC, NC, TX. Failure to do so can result in the loss of your permit.
TN, AL, GA, MS do not require you to notify the officer.
If your going to carry I feel it is a must that you know the laws of the states you are in.
How 'bout Florida or Virginia? :nixweiss: spyderCan't say if it's the law to advise, but I do know that when they run your Va. DL it will show that you have CC permit. I'd much rather tell them ahead of time (and this was actually taught in one of my classes to receive a CC permit) then have them draw down on me to find out if/where I'm carrying. I've looked at the business end of a pistol before, and no matter what caliber it is when it's pointed at you it looks live a stove pipe w/a handle. :shocked2:
Can't say if it's the law to advise, but I do know that when they run your Va. DL it will show that you have CC permit. I'd much rather tell them ahead of time (and this was actually taught in one of my classes to receive a CC permit) then have them draw down on me to find out if/where I'm carrying. I've looked at the business end of a pistol before, and no matter what caliber it is when it's pointed at you it looks live a stove pipe w/a handle. :shocked2:It would be interesting to know if out of State licenses tell them that you have a CCP also. I usually do follow the rules (in state), but unsure what to do out of state as the rules change so frequently it's hard to 'keep up'. Those seat-belt/DUI stops are usually so quick that I just hand them my license and move on as soon as they let me. :-X har! spyder
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Saw they shot down the VA bar thing...Chit!!! >:( I thought I'd heard this morning that it passed through the house.
It would be interesting to know if out of State licenses tell them that you have a CCP also. I usually do follow the rules (in state), but unsure what to do out of state as the rules change so frequently it's hard to 'keep up'. Those seat-belt/DUI stops are usually so quick that I just hand them my license and move on as soon as they let me. :-X har! spyderI would check your state laws if it's not associated with it in your home state then more then likely it will not be in Va. It's a state mandate here that ties the two together.
Chit!!! >:( I thought I'd heard this morning that it passed through the house.It passed through the Senate (SB1035 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?091+sum+SB1035)) yesterday (24-Y 16-N) and is still in the House (HB1821 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?091+sum+HB1821)). Here is a good link to keep abreast of legislation concerning gun laws in Va - VCDL 2009 Legislation Tracking Tool (http://www.vcdl.org/static/2009leg.html).
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Check your concealled carry permit and if it has the same number as your state driver's license number it is safe to assume that it will show up when they run your driver's license through the system regardless of which state you are in. That is how it works in TN. It is only a suggestion to inform a law inforcement officer about your carry permit and not a requirement. Personally, the only time I offered the information without being asked alarmed the cop who stopped me and seemed to make him and me nervous. Now I only say so if asked. Haven't been asked though.It IS a requirement in NC and failure to inform a LEO when approached is a misdemeanor w/ $100 fine for 1st offense w/ 2nd offense becoming more severe and loss of CCP. Where it becomes less clear is in reciprocal states as the rules seem to change and it's hard to 'keep up'. Big differences between various states in how you must act while carrying concealed. spyder
I have an Kimber Ultra CDP II, it is my favorite hand gun.
I say get it.
You will br happy Mark, mnatch grade barrel, shoot well and look good..I did carry the same in a fobus holster unitl I bought the Ruger LCP in 380..It is an easier carry down here carrying in the fron pocket of shorts..But I love the kimber...Kimber advertises absolutely reliability on that 3" 1911. Have you ever had any jams or problems with yours? spyder
It would be interesting to know if out of State licenses tell them that you have a CCP also. I usually do follow the rules (in state), but unsure what to do out of state as the rules change so frequently it's hard to 'keep up'. Those seat-belt/DUI stops are usually so quick that I just hand them my license and move on as soon as they let me. :-X har! spyder
Kimber advertises absolutely reliability on that 3" 1911. Have you ever had any jams or problems with yours? spyder
The Kimber Ultra CDPII is a great conceal carry pistol. It is lightweight, easy to conceal, a great shooter and a really nice looking pistol IMO...and the obligatory picture along with my Kimber Pro CDPII:
(http://www.ccpos.com/images-8/kimber-cdp-pro-and-cdp-ultra-1a.jpg)
By the way I just picked up a Colt Combat Commander yesterday.
My personal favorite. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
A DC cop can't carry concealed in MD? That's asinine. Jeezuz, tell him to move his butt into VA then.
:devil:
I have had zero issues with my Kimber Ultra CDP II.
Just love the gun
I had zeroing issues too, but I adjusted the rear sight and my stance a little, and it zeroed right in.... Then I put a crimson trace on it and things got even better!
Got stopped today. 78/60. Credentials in Tour Pak.........along with Glock 36. Informed officer. He questioned me as why I am carrying a handgun. My response, "same reason you are, and because I can." Got a ticket for speeding.I sometimes wonder when a question like that is asked .... just what response would make the officer happy? It's as if you're a suspect for exercising your right to arm yourself. Sorry 'bout the ticket. :-[ spyder
Don't really appreciate being questioned by law enforcement about my choice to travel armed when properly licensed to do so. That like asking me why I am an AMERICAN.
I sometimes wonder when a question like that is asked .... just what response would make the officer happy? It's as if you're a suspect for exercising your right to arm yourself. Sorry 'bout the ticket. :-[ spyder
Got stopped today. 78/60. Credentials in Tour Pak.........along with Glock 36. Informed officer. He questioned me as why I am carrying a handgun. My response, "same reason you are, and because I can." Got a ticket for speeding.
Don't really appreciate being questioned by law enforcement about my choice to travel armed when properly licensed to do so. That like asking me why I am an AMERICAN.
Got stopped today. 78/60. Credentials in Tour Pak.........along with Glock 36. Informed officer. He questioned me as why I am carrying a handgun. My response, "same reason you are, and because I can." Got a ticket for speeding.
Don't really appreciate being questioned by law enforcement about my choice to travel armed when properly licensed to do so. That like asking me why I am an AMERICAN.
Got stopped in the cage in Lousiana last month, 78 in a 55. LA is a you must inform the officer state. I gave him my DL and CCW and then he asked for the registration and insurance, so I said its in the glove box with my loaded pistol.
The young officer, 26 or so was real good about it. He saw my USN Ret tags, thanked me for my service, and let me go with a warning....
Got stopped in the cage in Lousiana last month, 78 in a 55. LA is a you must inform the officer state. I gave him my DL and CCW and then he asked for the registration and insurance, so I said its in the glove box with my loaded pistol.
The young officer, 26 or so was real good about it. He saw my USN Ret tags, thanked me for my service, and let me go with a warning....
Don't get much of that in a military town, since most of the populace is either active duty.........and in Huntsville, retired military. Heck, better than half the police force is retired military, so to them.........I'm just another blue ID card holder.
I was due anyway........Been about three years. ;)
In Jacksonville, it will GET you a ticket...
That sure is true of Jacksonville FL....
In a Navy town you never want the LEO to know you have anything to do with the Military....
I just can't find a suitable place on the Road King for this.
I just can't find a suitable place on the Road King for this.You need the new '09 Road King. It has a higher GVW rating. :pepper:
Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.
Plasmaman
Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.
Plasmaman
And here I am lookin' for a Bulgarian SLR in 7.62X39mm. Was gonna use Wolf........don't know of any other ammo. Is there?Black Hills Reman...from Cabela's.
Black Hills Reman...from Cabela's.
Wolf bad....steel coating makes a yucky mess outta everything
...NFW would I use it...maybe the ak's ill eat it..
yep, most of the stuff I have is steel for the AK's...
Sean, is the remanufactured Black Hills ammo of the steel case variety?
negative... all brass
only steel I have is for the AK's, they chomp it w/o issue
building a Rom WASR-10 right now, bent the receiver myself, going to do all plastic and thinking about making it a side folder - even got an insert for my jig to bend the thicker Yugo receivers (scored two Yugo M70AB2 underfolder kits)
AK's are addicting.
Concur. The Bulgarian SLR I'm after has a folding stock. Made by the Arsenal of Bulgaria. Would like one with a milled receiver, but fear that may be out of reach monetarily. I've seen those Romanian WASR-10 weapons. CAI variety. How do you feel about those, Sean? They're relatively inexpensive.......about $400 with wood stocks. Would one serve the purpose equally as well as a SLR..........or should I hold out for an SLR?WASR-10's were the rejects from the military runs, so they are cheaper out of spec guns from the ROMAK factory... Many of them were sportorized to meet the 94 ban req - no bayonet lug, non flash suppressor capable ect. The one I am building has no threads for a flash suppressor, but you can buy a tap to thread them.
Flordia, we did not accurately measure the case of the round against the others but just by eye, it appeared that the round was short which would have allowed it to move forward and the firing pin not hit it properly. Just an idea, bottom line is I was lucky and will only use the Wolf in my SKS. Apparently whatever rounds the VC had worked just fine shooting at my chopper with the SKS. Glad they did not learn how to lead and we kept getting shot in the ass end.
Plasmaman
Location: Huntsville
Member since: 05/31/07
CVO1: 2006 FLHTCUSE
CVO2: 2002 FLHR
Re: Do you carry? Wolf ammo sucks
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Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.
Plasmaman
And here I am lookin' for a Bulgarian SLR in 7.62X39mm. Was gonna use Wolf........don't know of any other ammo. Is there?
I don't use other ammo through my AR except American made. From what I've been told the other manufactures from other countries (ie Russian Wolf ammo) does not have the same standards that American manufactures are made to go by. I'm especially afraid that even though it may say noncorrosive powder on the box, that may actually be corrosive powder. I don't want to run that through the AR because of the gas tube. I may just be paranoid but I'll spend the extra cash for American ammo. I spend too much money on my guns to worry about that stuff.
WASR-10's were the rejects from the military runs, so they are cheaper out of spec guns from the ROMAK factory... Many of them were sportorized to meet the 94 ban req - no bayonet lug, non flash suppressor capable ect. The one I am building has no threads for a flash suppressor, but you can buy a tap to thread them.
I am using it as a test gun for my builds, I have a few other kits, Romanian G's and a few Yugo U/F's. Building the AR's got me started on this, it is a wicked slippery slope. The Rom G's were de-milled, many new (I have three of them - appear to be unfired).
$400 is a great price all that said, if you can get an AK for that, would do so...
Also - if you want a GOOD AK - look for a PreBan Norinko, or a Yugo - M70AB2 being my personal favorite of all AK's. Check Gun Broker.
Getting to the point where I need a gun safe.............and a safer place to store all this ammo. If my house catches fire.........it would be "interesting." :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:
Ain't mine - that thing would knock me on my ass
http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html
my new weapon. :orange:
i can see now i need a part time job.
TN
Good choice with the smitty TN, they are fun....I have some nice teflon clips I really don't need 12; I can send 2 or 3 30 rounders in exchange for a sand gnat hat..PM me mailing addy.. :drink:you been drinking?
Yesh I have been...A gift for TN and an excuse to get some other styles..for me 6-8 of these slick ones otter do it, I can reload em quick with the hand loader framis.
It was a big day today, put led light strips in the safe...and they light up...just on a button switch for now, I don't know if I want a door switch to turn them automatically like.
I like my benelli mostly and have yet tired of buying the schmorgasboard of ammo available for 12 ga...combo slug/00 and other widgets for it...One of those cool touch pad led blind light thingies....and a folding(ahem)stock(ahem).... :drink:
my new weapon. :orange:
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16970.0;attach=104655;image)
Sweet, and everything about it is illegal in New Jersey :nixweiss:NJ, NY, CA, Conn, shave off the bayonet lug for MA
NJ, NY, CA, Conn, shave off the bayonet lug for MA
Short list of states I can never take orders to
Ah........the Sweet, Sweet South. :2vrolijk_21:
That Bulgarian got away from me.........that what I get for holding out. Just not sure about those WASR-10s........sorta raggedly, but I suppose therein lies the challenge.....make it slick and sharp. That milled receiver on that SLR sure was nice though.
I could very easily get wrapped up in that hobby. Next thing you know I'd have a collection different AK variants and another closet full of nothing but 7.62X39mm. All it would take would be just one purchase.
Maybe............after I pay this year's tax bill.............maybe. :-\
Hey Guy's,
I have a question. I have a buddy that has three pre ban colt ar's. I believe they are h-bar flat tops, or something like that. My ? is, what is one of these things worth, or what would be a GOOD DEAL on one of these?
Bud
Anyone else having a hard time trying to find small rifle primers?
My pick for traveling, and carrying, is the Seecamp LWS .32 .. Fits in the pocket easily, practically disappears in any of the 3 FL's hard luggage bags, and easy and safe to carry loaded. Been carrying one of these for several years now. For up close and personal, this is the chit. If I'm traveling she's somewhere close, either me pocket or stashed
in my hard bags somewhere, with an extra clip for good measure.. Better safe than sorry.. Watch out scumbags!! I refuse to be a victim!!
I'm sure you all have seen this, but it is always a good refresher.
http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=14651&aid=19
Absolutely! Mostly when I have my wife with me. (357 SigSauer, maybe a .38 police, maybe my M-1 carbine with 30 round clips if I'm in Arizona!
Know your state to state rules....if you have a CWP, it helps, but DO NOT ever show. You do not have to reveal or volunteer the fact that you carry to law enforcement in most states. Trouble is, up here in Montana, although we don't have a lot of highway trouble, you can't carry into Canada, and for
those of us who used to go to Mexico, can't carry there either. So, in going state to state to those countries, you've got to leave it home or with a friend in a border state.
Concealed really does mean concealed. :-X
Bought a Kimber Ultra Carry II on Saturday.
How do you like it.I saw a mint 5" Kimber Raptor that only had a couple of clips through it today for $850. Unfortunately, it's sitting on a non-secured 5 day layaway, so I gotta pray the guy backs out! I just love the detail on that thing. Just wish it had a lower rail.
I got a Kimber Ultra CDP II in Dec. I love the gun.
Finally went to gun range today. I put 150 rounds of brass through my Kimber. Failed to reload it self twice. Need more brass.
took the wife out today put 150 rds through the glock 27
plan on going again tomorrow, seems like more fun then going to work
Fastest shot in the world
http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/
If so, what do you do when you travel?
:indian_chief:
Fastest shot in the world
http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/
Fastest shot in the world
http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/
Fastest shot in the worldThat was impressive. Speaking of that check this guy out...
http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/
some more home defense. :orange:
my neighbors know when i acquire a new gun. :rifle:
TN
That barrel has a few inches to give up...
http://www.break.com/index/bulletproof-vest-test-goes-wrong.html
gun safety video....
its a wonder these kinda folks make it to adulthood. :nixweiss:
hate to think whats next for them.
TN
did you see the Vol's sticker on the truck?
The state of Virginia passed a bill so you can get your permit to carry on the internet. That is our goverment doing what they do best. Screw up.
just look for something in a good ar pistol. This "world" is greek to me. Now handguns and shotgun I'm good at!
How is making it easy to get your carry permitt a screw up? An armed society is a polite society.
colt, dpms..many good platforms to make an AR pistol, make sure of the legalities in your state regarding sbr's...short barrel rifles or AR pistols
The state of Virginia passed a bill so you can get your permit to carry on the internet. That is our goverment doing what they do best. Screw up.
Christmas in july!!
did you order direct from Seecamp
Ordered this one ( :D :D :D) from a stocking dealer in TX. FedEx just delivered it and I have to go over and fill out the paperwork. Another dealer I know has the next two consecutive serial numbers. NO, I'm not buying all three! This "hobby" is getting as expensive as the CVO.AJ, that Seecamp's looking good! I remember reading somewhere that they just love :-* Winchester Silver Tip hollowpoints! Feed & eject them like they were made for ea. other.....much better than other ammo. That was awhile back, so the pistols or ammo might have changed. What's the 'out-the-door-AJ-deal' price for these babies? :nixweiss: spyder
(http://www.seecamp.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/LWS32_Complete.jpg)
ya gotta give me the info so I can hook one up too.
We got a tour bus leaving tonight for beaufort. A band from here is playing there this weekend, Little Big Town. and a showcase for a new act, guy named Dean.
AJ, that Seecamp's looking good! I remember reading somewhere that they just love :-* Winchester Silver Tip hollowpoints! Feed & eject them like they were made for ea. other.....much better than other ammo. That was awhile back, so the pistols or ammo might have changed. What's the 'out-the-door-AJ-deal' price for these babies? :nixweiss: spyder
ya gotta give me the info so I can hook one up too.
We got a tour bus leaving tonight for beaufort. A band from here is playing there this weekend, Little Big Town. and a showcase for a new act, guy named Dean.
When I saw this thread I thought of a video I had seen on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBhY6gphFLA:ROFLOL: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
In the Communist City of New York, with Comrade Bloomberg leading us, WE CAN'T HAVE EM!!! ONLY CRIMINALS GET THE GUNS!!! >:( >:( >:(
Hoist! :coolblue:
When I saw this thread I thought of a video I had seen on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBhY6gphFLA
If I did that.......well.......we ain't got no dog house, so I guess I'd either be allowed to sleep in the garage or the bike trailer. Either way, I'd pay dearly, especially since Renea knows handguns better than I do. :2vrolijk_21:
if i did that i think a round would find its way into the chamber :nervous:
.MY that's a big one. How do you fire that? In a vise?
This is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. At least in the most liberal state of california, if you are caught with any fire arms without being a law officer or a concealed weapons permit, you are headed for trouble. Just some food for thought.
This is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. At least in the most liberal state of california, if you are caught with any fire arms without being a law officer or a concealed weapons permit, you are headed for trouble. Just some food for thought.
This is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. At least in the most liberal state of california, if you are caught with any fire arms without being a law officer or a concealed weapons permit, you are headed for trouble. Just some food for thought.
The 2nd ammendment is my permit! What part of "Shall not be infringed" don't they understand.
I won this one at a NRA fund raiser about two months ago. Ruger 380 LCP (light carry pistol). Excellent pocket gun! Perfect for your back pocket and the case looks like a wallet. Can't want for someone to tell me to had over my wallet!
I live in New York and hate the fact that NY is anti 2nd Amendment. I do want to move...just have not picked a place to move to yet.
Inside case
My friends wife was sooo excited to get hers. Took her to the range 2 days later with a box of rounds and some targets. This Little thing kicked like a 50 cal and was very difficult to hold. the recoil bruised her hand in the web between the thumb and fore finger. She fired 4 rounds and we traded she emptied the clips in both my .40 Glocks without near the recoil.
Probably the most wicked .380 I've fired managed a 5 inch grouping at 15 yards but very uncomfortable to shoot. the trigger pull is around 6 lbs and can only be modified by a gunsmith. It was pretty :-* but went right back to the gun store and the Glock 9mm is back in her purse.
Seems these two guys disagree with your comments on the 380LCP (and so do I).
Note the amount of recoil in the YouTube video. Nothing like a 50 cal!
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-LCP.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR-uRVn4irQ
Sorry dont like it but it is easily concealed and the gun you have with you always beats the one in your car. The convenience is undeniable, The colt Govt model .380 is not much harder to conceal and a much better mannered piece. IMHO :2vrolijk_21:The pistol I carry the most of all my options. Not the smallest, but the best compromise (IMHO). The Llama .380 is so very similar, but a tad heavier.....still a nice carry piece of that ilk. ;) spyder
I'd rather have an LCP than be unarmed but at this price point there are many other options to choose from.
Vermont is the only state true to the founders concept. The Second Amendment is your permit there.
.... Bottomline, protect yourself and get ready to stand trial.Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6.
Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6.Only problem is that most of those 12 are the ones that elected the officials that made the stupid laws, appointed/hired the prosecutors that enforced them that put you there. What a mess. spyder
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While the founders had it right, the reality of the situation is quite different.
And the stories go on. While the states constitution protects the right of firearm ownership, the county attorneys actively prosecute any apparent act of self-defense as murder or manslaughter. Bottomline, protect yourself and get ready to stand trial.
The Grips allows me to carry with a holster.
Assuming you meant "Without" a holster :nixweiss:Sorry, without a holster. Thanks for your help
Here my 44 Magnum that kicks like a SOB.
This is my S/W small J Frame Model 649 - 357 Mag / .38+P with a 2 1/8 barrel. In the next pic is a shot of the built in belt grips.
... Find out more and apply here:
Are You America's Top Shot? (http://www.pilgrimfilms.tv/casting/index.html)
Hoist! :coolblue:
How do you find this stuff?
I have the same weapon. I have ran about 50 rounds of some old .357 handloads thru it that I loaded HOT for hog hunting. It isn't my favorite .357. I shoot +P thru it and it is pretty manageable.They are called the (HiIP-GRIP) see pic below. I like to carry this piece but my only problem is I don't like shooting it over a couple times because it hard on the hand and wrist. But getting back to the grips no need for a holster. It's very comfortable to carry and you don't have to worry about it coming off your belt. Here's there web site. www.hipgrip.com - I have a extra set I can send you so you can try if you like. I think they were about 39.00 or 49.00 when I got mine last year.
What are those grips? Explain
I carry any one of 3 .45 1911s. I have an affinity for them from the days when Uncle Sam was my Boss. Also have a couple Sigs.
Glad I live in Texas where guns are still considered a good thing for good guys.
HeHe!!! Facebook AJ!!! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Hoist! :coolblue:
Schmoops mothers day present...LCR in 38SNice :2vrolijk_21:... if she doesn't I bet I know somebody that will. ;) ::) :D
Hope she likes it... ::)
What's not to like....it's hammerless, unless the grip is too large for her hands or something like that. What's the weight? :nixweiss: spyder
I really like the feel of the XDm .40... but it is a little bigger, so do I sacrafice comfort for making it a bit less concealable...?
decisions decisions... lol
That Black Talon ammo in your pic must be very old......haven't seen it for sale for years now. Great ammo, wish they had not 'caved in' and taken it off the mkt. :( spyder
Now if you have decided to carry a firearm , you should try to stick with one weapon style and one method of carry. This will help build muscle memory and under stress you will reach instintively to the same spot and activate the weapon in the same manner without thinking about how the weapon functions today vs. what you may have carried yesterday etc. It would be a shame if a shooting situation arose and all you grabbed was a love handle or armpit hair instead of your gun.Then get in lots of pratice wearing what you would in everyday carry. Jackets/chaps, boots etc. Also try different positions as if you were seated on the bike or in a car/truck. How easy is the weapon to draw?
Look at the average shooting situation and you will realize that they are fast,short distance and usually one or two on one. There are always strange senarios where one guy is against a gang at 100 yards but that is rare. You also are not very likely to fire more than a few rounds so make it count with accuracy but hit with the largest caliber you can accurately hit your intended target. Remember that person will not just drop like in the movies with one shot but the bigger the caliber the more likely it will happen with less rounds. You will be held legally responible for each and every shot you fire so overpenetration or a stray round hitting a bystander is a concern of course.
When carrying a weapon you need to be concerned with maintenace more frequently due to weather and things like sweat. The finnish should be very durable and not shiny so it will be less visible to others when you want it concealed.
I personally like the Glock model 36 as a potent package that is concealable and durable and accurate.
Caliber
.45 AUTO
System
Safe Action
LENGTH
6.77in/172mm
HEIGHT
4.76in/121mm
WIDTH
1.13in/28.5mm
Barrel Height
1.26in/32mm
Line of Sight
6.18in/157mm
Barrel LENGTH
3.78in/96mm
WEIGHT
20.11oz/570g
LOADED (~)
26.99oz/765g
Mag. Capacity
6
Magazine Mass
Empty: 2.40oz./68g
Full: ~6.88oz/~195g
Trigger Pull
5.5lbs/2.5kg
Trigger Travel
0.5in/12.5mm
Expressly "thinned" for maximum concealability, its frame designed for an easy reach to the trigger for even the shortest adult fingers, this 7-shot .45 Auto is built with "maximum concealment with maximum power" in mind.
Barrel Rifling
right hand, Octagonal
Length of Twist
9.84in/250mm
Internal Locking System
Available
Number of Safeties
3
Definitely good info, worth repeating! I agree consistancy and practice are key. I'm a pretty good shooter, qualifying expert most of the times I fire, from the days of the .38 wheel gun, to the Barretta M9. I also have a Glock 19, but don't carry it (mostly because right now it is locked in my sister's safe in Texas and she doesn't remember the combo... lol). I am trying to find somewhere close that lets you rent/shoot before you buy, so I can see how accurate I can fire the subcompact XD .45... and I'll give the Glock a try. Last time I tried the subcompact Glock, the grip was too small, but I htink that was in 9mm or .40... will check out the .45.I had a similar problem w/compact Glock's when I first held one of those... just didn't feel I had control (could hold) of them when shooting. I then found out you could use the full size magazines with an extended grip on them to give you more to hold on to.... however this was after I bought a fullsize Glock. As VaEagle mentioned earlier it's not that difficult to conceal full size handguns if you modify your wadrobe. I have a Glock 22 as a duty weapon and a S&W for off duty and find myself carrying the Glock most of the time. I had thought about the getting a Glock 21 (.45 cal) but after looking at the price of ammo and the ability to get (some) free .40 cal ammo I decided on getting the Glock 22. ;D
Thanks for the great info!
I had a similar problem w/compact Glock's when I first held one of those... just didn't feel I had control (could hold) of them when shooting. I then found out you could use the full size magazines with an extended grip on them to give you more to hold on to.... however this was after I bought a fullsize Glock. As VaEagle mentioned earlier it's not that difficult to conceal full size handguns if you modify your wadrobe. I have a Glock 22 as a duty weapon and a S&W for off duty and find myself carrying the Glock most of the time. I had thought about the getting a Glock 21 (.45 cal) but after looking at the price of ammo and the ability to get (some) free .40 cal ammo I decided on getting the Glock 22. ;D
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Free is good :)Guns are like mods on a motorcycle... it never ends. ;D ;D
I know you CAN get stuff to cover larger frames... but ithere is certainly something to be said for something you could slip in the pocket of a pair of shorts, or under a light shirt. Guess I could always just get two!! :2vrolijk_21:
Rule #1. ALWAYS use the weapon with FREE/AVAILABLE ammo. har. spyderTrue dat!!! :2vrolijk_21:
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I have owned Springfield guns in the past and found them to be very accurate and dependable. That new .45 looks good but one thing to consider is the aggressive design of the grip. It would be nice in the hand and help control recoil or increase grip if hands are wet. The down side of such an aggressive grip is increased wear on shirts/vests or jackets due to fabric rubbing on the roughness. It could also be irritating to the skin if you use an inside the pants holster.
I sure like my Sig Sauer 357, shoots a nice group, etc., but just big enough to be cumbersome under the jacket, and definitely harder to conceal when out of riding gear. So, bought the 3"/3" Judge. That's some pretty good firepower, but not as accurate as my semi. Not impressed with the long colt .45 for 10 yard accuracy (groups at 7 o'clock), but sure do like the shotgun rounds available. Again, ok to carry under the leather, but another bulky one for concealed use. I guess I'll use it for in the Montana woods for a bear/cat/snake gun! My older son, a police officer, likes his .40 cal Glock a lot. Simple, clean lines. I need to look a little closer for a true concealed piece. The more you buy, the more you need to fire and train.....which isn't so bad!
Take a look at the SIG 239. I want something that puts whatever I am shooting at down for the count. It fits great in the cargo pocket of my Harley cargo pants and in the regular pocket of my jeans. I wear a loose fitting pair so no problem with printing. Also fits in the pocket of all of my riding jackets. Leather, Mesh, First Gear TPG and regular light jackets.
Chip I have 2 boxes of 357 sig that was sold to me by mistake at wally world they will not take it back or exchange it will give it to you if you will wash and wax the road glide need to have it done asap so get your a$$ in gear... this is a good deal for you .... call if you can be here early in the am..... :pineapple: :pineapple: :pineapple:
dmnrdn
Is the 239 available in 357sig?
I carry the 229 but like Resbiker said, it is a little bulky.
SBB
Gonna go shoot a Glock .45 cal model 36 tomorrow. Heard they are hard to get. It looks like an ideal carry. Anyone else have an opinion?
Good choice Resbiker.Thanks for your reply...The subject of calibers is interesting... .45 cal for knockdown, .40 cal for knockdown & range accuracy, .357 sig for penetration & accuracy, .45 cal long colt/000 buckshot for the Judge. And that's not even getting into magnum loads! Here in Montana I need a good carry for the woods (bear, cats, & idiots) and something for the bike & car. Wife likes her .38 S&W police, has a hard time racking my auto. My police son has the Glock .40, & LAE seems to like that one. Tomorrow I'll put the .45 cal Glock 36 against my SigSauer .357 & see. The Judge is all over the place after 7-8 yards! :-\
Go back one page and read my post #1185 and the next couple of posts for info on carrying the Glock model 36.
Heck w/concealing it.... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:That's how we roll in Texas Boys! ;D
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Is that the .380 or 9mm? I've seen them advertised, but never held one. Looks nice.
Finally picked up something new. I looked at all the choices, and the Taurus TCP felt most comfortable in my hand.
(http://ibmike.smugmug.com/Other/Misc/TCP/955606842_NaBQg-O.jpg)
Also scored a Crimson Trace for it off eBay for $160 shipped!
Now I just gotta find somewhere to go get familiar with it. (and get my CCW).
Yupper!,+AGREE I'm with TN and Miker!!! Had a cwp for a long time...before it became readily available. Always had a pistol on long trips.
"Officer, I felt I was in danger for my life and would like to speak to my lawyer".
Make sure there is no one to sue you for disability too.
Miker
+AGREE I'm with TN and Miker!!! Had a cwp for a long time...before it became readily available. Always had a pistol on long trips.The 'short trips' also. ;) spyder
In a perfect world........
Well I really dont want to say but since you asked...... I carry a squirt bottle that's about all they allow us to carry in Canada. It doubles as a window cleaner. :mango:I've read that Wasp Killer Spray is a quite effective defensive weapon....much like pepper spray is used by joggers, etc. And cost effective also. spyder
Yep. I carry at work for the government. Almost always have my personal friend on me or in the saddlebag. Don't leave home without it.Illinois sucks - Would you mind deputizing me? I can carry in almost every state in the country, except my own. Crazy, corrupt liberals.
Ray
Illinois sucks - Would you mind deputizing me? I can carry in almost every state in the country, except my own. Crazy, corrupt liberals.Of course. Raise your right hand and put the other on the Bible and you are good to go. Just tell the law a fellow rider gave you permission to carry. Should be good to go.
Of course. Raise your right hand and put the other on the Bible and you are good to go. Just tell the law a fellow rider gave you permission to carry. Should be good to go.Yeah, I wish it was that easy. The chity of Chicago had a handgun ban for 40+ years, until the SCOTUS forced them to overturn the ordinance. So, Chicago then forced people to register handguns at an outragious price BUT you also had to have training with shooting proficiency. However, they maintained the outlaw of gun ranges making it impossible to comply unless you left the city. Then there were reports that they were not honoring the training certs from the border city ranges. So the Ezell case came, and the judge reamed the city, so they tweaked the ordinance where any range had to be at least a ridiculous distance from umpteen categories of current establishments, like schools churches, parks, etc. By the time they plotted it out, no where was possible unless it was in the middle of Lake Michigan. Furthermore, the eventual range would have to pay an enormous licensing fee every year, and deal with all sorts of hardships making it impossible.
On the other hand, if you just keep it hidden on you till you need it, might work too.
Ray
Yeah, I wish it was that easy. The chity of Chicago had a handgun ban for 40+ years, until the SCOTUS forced them to overturn the ordinance. So, Chicago then forced people to register handguns at an outragious price BUT you also had to have training with shooting proficiency. However, they maintained the outlaw of gun ranges making it impossible to comply unless you left the city. Then there were reports that they were not honoring the training certs from the border city ranges. So the Ezell case came, and the judge reamed the city, so they tweaked the ordinance where any range had to be at least a ridiculous distance from umpteen categories of current establishments, like schools churches, parks, etc. By the time they plotted it out, no where was possible unless it was in the middle of Lake Michigan. Furthermore, the eventual range would have to pay an enormous licensing fee every year, and deal with all sorts of hardships making it impossible.
So the chity of Chicago just keeps thumbing their noses at the courts and nothing ever happens. Disgusting. Oh, btw, did I forget to mention that all chity alderman and above politians ARE allowed CCW while in the chity, overriding the state laws. Eliteist, Liberal Hypocrits.
Always carry either : 1) Glock 36 or
2) Chiappa Rhino .357 magnum
I have a Sig 229 Equinox and I love to shoot with it , but I find it to big to conceal.
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I was looking at a Sig p239 in 40 cal, but just a little to big in the grip for good conceal weapon.I agree. however is a great weapon.
I agree. however is a great weapon.
I always liked this one from Texas!
I am going to retire this kimber for a "black gun" that won't get a beat up, as I carry everyday.Just curious, how do you like your Kimber? I am interested in buying one just like yours.
I will probably go with the kimber 45 in 3"....
Just curious, how do you like your Kimber? I am interested in buying one just like yours.
We had a discussion about Kimbers a few pages back. I'll just state in my experience, the full sized 5" pistols I have are flawless. I actually just got a TLE/RL that I've added a magwell, ambi and tactical safety, essentially creating a HD Tactical Carry (I don't dig the AL frames) and this is the best shooting 1911 I've ever experienced.Do you practice with that light very much? spyder
That said, I do carry a Springfield Compact Carry with CT grips, which is extremely reliable. I think the issue with Kimbers smaller 45's are the tight tolerances that can lead to FTF issues early on. I don't have a Kimber Ultra, but I'm reading reports that once you get rid of the crappy mag, and get a decent Kim-Pro Tac, Wilson, or McCormick mags, and put 500 to 1,000 round through it, you'll be fine.
While I know the Glocks and the other plastic guns are proven and reliable designs, I just can't get myself to carry one. I'm always afraid the damn thing might break when trying to crack someone's head with it, or even just dropping the damn things. I like Steel baby! :2vrolijk_21:
Do you practice with that light very much? spyderOnly when it's dark. ;)
Only when it's dark. ;)Bada-boom. :drummer: har. spyder
Sorry I couldn't resist. :drink: :D :D
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Bada-boom. :drummer: har. spyder:2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Do you practice with that light very much? spyder
Nice......I'd have to train, train, train if I were to add the lazer sights & light to my weapon. Gotta keep it simple, stupid for the effectiveness in a real fight, for me at least. It's whatever you are proficient and comfortable with for sure. I just keep the light next to the weapon and hope to not need either. ;) spyder
My name is Mike and I did not buy a gun this weekend....baby steps... :huepfenjump3:Congrats!! I also refrained.....came close in a on-line auction, but still preservered. :) har. spyder
Just ammo this week! :nervous:So you're the reason all the .45acp is backordered. ;D har. spyder
The original, S&W 38, Nickel ~ saddled & permitted, only in open country.
God Bless America
just picked up a s&w model 642Nice, I also have a 637CT, which is the same basic J frame with an exposed hammer and Crimson Trace grip laser. That goes in the ankle holster, and the .45 Ultra Compact with the CT goes in the Milt Sparks VM2 IWB. Just can't figure out where to stick the grenade launcher? :pineapple:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQpO3H-dacE
Damned fine looking saddle/seat!! Do you have a few more pictures??x2 - That's awesome!
Regards
Jerry
Legally, and with a permit. Either a 357 mag or 44 mag Desert Eagle
Krav Maga
The original, S&W 38, Nickel ~ saddled & permitted, only in open country.
God Bless America
Next on my list to purchase is a .45 Kimber, but there are so many models to choose from, I get confused!!
Having my CCW and owning a S&W 9mm, I have decided that for my Bday I'm going to get the Kimber 45 CDP Ultra II.That's the same one I am saving up to purchase. I want the one designated (LG) for Crimson Trace Lasergrip. It doesn't cost that much more than the other CDP models and I feel would give my old eyes an advantage.
That's the same one I am saving up to purchase. I want the on designated (LG) for Crimson Trace Lasergrip. It doesn't cost that much more than the other CDP models and I feel would give my old eyes an advantage.
That's the same one I am saving up to purchase. I want the on designated (LG) for Crimson Trace Lasergrip. It doesn't cost that much more than the other CDP models and I feel would give my old eyes an advantage.I'm with you, my eyes aren't what they used to be, so I'll be investing in the Crimson Ultra Carry II at the gun show next week or the week after or week after that. Damn it's nice to be in Texas, ride all year round and a gun show every week!!
I'm with you, my eyes aren't what they used to be, so I'll be investing in the Crimson Ultra Carry II at the gun show next week or the week after or week after that. Damn it's nice to be in Texas, ride all year round and a gun show every week!!
Don't make me jealous :nervous: Here in Ohio I've already put my baby to bed for the winter and told her to rest well and I will see her in the spring :huepfenjump3: Keep me posted on how you like your Kimber Ultra :thumbsup:Sorry you had to put the ride up for the winter, been there done that!! Will let ya know how the Kimber works out
Just added what will become my constant carry. Sig P250, Subcompact, .40 Cal
My kid carried a Kimber custom, off duty and backup. He had multiple problems with it and ended up getting rid of it for a Nighthawk custom. Nice piece.It took 750 rounds through my Kimber Ultra CDP before it was 100% reliable. Once I shot another 250 with out hick up it became my carry. The 3 Inch barrel is nice for carry but takes work to be reliable.
It took 750 rounds through my Kimber Ultra CDP before it was 100% reliable. Once I shot another 250 with out hick up it became my carry. The 3 Inch barrel is nice for carry but takes work to be reliable.That's at least $400-$500 bucks in ammo to wear-in a Kimber. They're just too tight for reliability from the get go.....a looser build (like a Colt) doesn't take as much breaking in. Of course, the actual shooting is good for more than just wearing-in the pistol. ;) spyder
I also use a Les Baer Stinger for Carry now, it's a 4.25 inch barrel on the officers frame. Very nice gun, much nicer than any of my Kimbers.
It took 750 rounds through my Kimber Ultra CDP before it was 100% reliable. Once I shot another 250 with out hick up it became my carry. The 3 Inch barrel is nice for carry but takes work to be reliable.I have shot 500 rounds with my Kimber Ultra covert II. Waiting for the first hic up . Always keeping this babe clean and lubricated.
I also use a Les Baer Stinger for Carry now, it's a 4.25 inch barrel on the officers frame. Very nice gun, much nicer than any of my Kimbers.
That's at least $400-$500 bucks in ammo to wear-in a Kimber. They're just too tight for reliability from the get go.....a looser build (like a Colt) doesn't take as much breaking in. Of course, the actual shooting is good for more than just wearing-in the pistol. ;) spyder
Just added what will become my constant carry. Sig P250, Subcompact, .40 Cal
My kid carried a Kimber custom, off duty and backup. He had multiple problems with it and ended up getting rid of it for a Nighthawk custom. Nice piece.
Very nice weapon the nighthawks are. However, their prices are way above my head.
They do not mess around in New York. The state of Ohio is just about as bad.
I carry Colt Pocket Lite 380 but I have a federal law enforcement permit. I'm telling you guys DO NOT!!!! get caught carrying in NEW YORK it will be the worst day in your life. Even in uniform while going into New York I had to stop and secure my duty weapon at a local law enforcement agency or risk being arrested. They do not mess around in New York. The state of Ohio is just about as bad.How can they ignore The Law Enforcement Officers Act of 2004 (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/leosasummary.pdf)? :confused5:
HB822 will solve all that.:2vrolijk_21:
HB822 will solve all that.Have to be carfull , when it goes to the senate HB822 will be voted on with other bills , We may loose some rights if it is voted in . See what other bills are merged with it !!!
I carry Colt Pocket Lite 380 but I have a federal law enforcement permit. I'm telling you guys DO NOT!!!! get caught carrying in NEW YORK it will be the worst day in your life. Even in uniform while going into New York I had to stop and secure my duty weapon at a local law enforcement agency or risk being arrested. They do not mess around in New York. The state of Ohio is just about as bad.
So thats the reason the crime rate is so high in NYC. You can keep the rat infested chit hole!!!!:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: I grew up in a small town in NY. It is a liberal state like Cali. They are going broke because of there welfare state policies , and Blumeburg ( spelling ? ) what a fool . Sent a bunch of undercover down here to Summerville SC to buy guns at a pawn shop. Background check came back good and they took the guns back to NY and said it was an ilegal sale !!! W T F#^% . Blumeburg got his A@# handed to him in NYC court by the owner. !!! Boeing just moved in here , lots of jobs , they just cant handle the union $$$$$ any more , even if you are union down here , it is a right to work state. They can't pull there chit down here !!!! They will just fire all the workers and start over !!! :pepper:
keep the poltical views out of this please:2vrolijk_21: Sorry about that , If you remove it, that will be cool. apologize for the slip , got carried away !!! Thanks :oops:
criminals could care less about gun laws. :drink: obtaining a carry permit we agree to the terms from the state of issue, whatever they may be. cwp permits add allot of liability to the holder. laws and interpretations of vary.
I grew up around guns and was taught at an early age how to handle and respect them.
to the anti-gun folks, remember it's not good to bring a knife to a gun fight.
to the gun folks, please disarm before breaking out the tequila. ::)
carry on
TN
Criminals today are more stupid then ever...There is a lot more CCW Permit carriers and a lot more issued each week. And because of the liability issues you point out, the safety course trainers are now training 'shoot to kill' and getting the message clear across, you dont want your attacker alive after you draw your gun for your life's safety or your life will be misery as your attacker sues the hell out you in court. I used to have the attitude, 'shoot to stop' but not no more.. if im attacked in a life treating way, the bad guy is dead meat. :'(
Not in Kentucky and I believe Colorado and maybe others now. We have the "make my day" law. You are taught in CCW class when you have the right to use the gun you have the right to kill and should! Period! ??only because it gets a dirt bag off the street and we don't have to support them in jail. However no one injured and or killed in the commission of a crime can sue under any conditions! That's the way it should be!!!! Break in my house your leaving in a body bag! Maybe a bucket if I use the 12ga. with 3" magnum double ot buck shoot! He He!In SC. If some one is coming in your window ,whatever , as by law you can take it as they are trying to do you bodily harm and you can take leathal action. The problem I have is that if you are held in a civil lawsuit , the out come can be different due to juries from different counties / cities . If you are in a county thats anti-gun your may loose ! and reciprocity is hard to keep up with state to state. Sucks> so I can protect myself all the from SC to VIRG. then if I wont to go to NY, what do I do with my pistol ? through it over the next bridge !!!! Thats why we need a fed CCW law , (stand alone) thats not mixed with other bills ! or one that recognizes state CCW permits. IMHO :coolblue:
keep the poltical views out of this pleaseBump... Last warning.
AMANAL, you keep shooting those plus p+ in that airweight your going to be sorry. To hot of a load for that light of frame.
Santa :santa: came early for me today :huepfenjump3: I purchased the Kimber CDP Ultra ll 45. This is one sweet :pepper: pistol. Hope to feed it a few rounds soon :2vrolijk_21:LovemyCVOgirl, let's see it girl! :worthless:
pic #2Nice features on a good carry package. Extra mags in additon to a few holsters and a quanity of both range & carry ammo some cleaning materials and you're all set until Festivus. :D har. :drink: spyder
Nice heater! Love it! Sorry about this worthless in the other post but you've been here long enough to know it was coming just a matter of time!
ok This is my Christmas present. Kimber CDP Ultra ll 45 :pepper:Sweeeeeeeet!!!! :2vrolijk_21:
Fox Creek Leather.
Yea! I knew it was coming...LMAO :2vrolijk_21:LOL! I'm looking to get the same model except with the Crimson Trace Laser grip. Checked three gunshops so far...sold out, guess I waited to close to Christmas.
X2...best leather jacket you'll ever own, and it's made in the USA...100%. I've got their vest too...nice concealed pocket on the left inside. Wore it today, in fact...Yep, that's the vest I was wearing when I tangled with the Chrysler & asphalt last May. Deep scrapes on the back was the only damage to the vest and the .380 colt stayed secure throughout all the tumbling, etc. Quality product. Coronada makes a great concealed vest also. spyder
ok This is my Christmas present. Kimber CDP Ultra ll 45 :pepper:
Have to be carfull , when it goes to the senate HB822 will be voted on with other bills , We may loose some rights if it is voted in . See what other bills are merged with it !!!So far with the first vote every add on was defeated.
You get caught carrying that UZI and you can put your head between your legs and kiss that virginity good bye.
:jack: Taurus 38 model cia85 ultra light, magtech guardian gold +p, or Italian issue beretta 85bb .380 auto with hornaday critical defense.
How can they ignore The Law Enforcement Officers Act of 2004 (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/leosasummary.pdf)? :confused5:
Just got my class IV, now I can carry this cannon .22MAGNUM!
Don't remember if this was ever posted, but always good for an update.
"Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States"
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Traveler%27s+Guide+to+the+Firearm+Laws+of+the+Fifty+States&x=0&y=0
Isn't the the gun featured in that joke where you are supposed to shot your buddy in the knee cap in the event you both stumble on a bear?Well, sure, but I carry one sometimes as a primary and often as a secondary pistol....the muzzle blast of that lil magnum is enough to get most people off of ya without even considering the little hollow-pt. round. So concealable that I've known of pat-downs to miss them. :-X spyder
Well, sure, but I carry one sometimes as a primary and often as a secondary pistol....the muzzle blast of that lil magnum is enough to get most people off of ya without even considering the little hollow-pt. round. So concealable that I've known of pat-downs to miss them. :-X spyder
Have Walther's fallen out of favor? I used to have a PPK/s and thought it was a great gun. They now make a smaller/lighter PK380 that looks nice.
this link is very helpful for traveling.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
Terry, in addition to the nice 'carry-melt' treatment, I like the ball-milled front strap. Looks great....now give us the true test of how it functions when you get it out to a range. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
I'm anxious to try it out too...I've got 100 rounds of PMG's to run through it for "break in", and Hornady 90 G XTP's for a carry load. If you can recommend a better round for carry, please do so, as I'm not "up" on all that. Fell behind the curve a few years back. They normally recommend 200 rounds for break in, but the SAS is supposed to be better in that regard. Most reviews I've read from more recent times have said no problems with FTE or FTF if you're not using chitty rounds. :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2:I've found the Remington 'Silver Tips' in .380 to be very reliable in all respects...much more than most out there and be sure to fire whatever you are going to be carrying to get the pistol & you used to it. ;) spyder
Now I need some kind of not so expensive 1911 style for the nightstand....recommendations that are not an arm and a leg? All I care about is reliability for the nightstand...looks don't MAS.
Terry, in addition to the nice 'carry-melt' treatment, I like the ball-milled front strap. Looks great....now give us the true test of how it functions when you get it out to a range. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
New aquisition today: Sig Sauer P238 SAS After reading several reviews on this gun, I decided I couldn't live without it. They had some issues when first released, but now all is well. The SAS version has supposedly been through Sig's "Custom Shop", so has been melted, and has nicer grips than the standard model. It was only $10 more to get the SAS than the regular two tone, and it is supposed to be more snag proof in clothing. Comes with a nice little Poly belt holster. Nice little piece...15 oz with magazine unloaded, and fit's my small hands nicely. Easy to conceal in a pocket. Has night sights on it too.
Saw these at the gun show here last weekend. Came to the same decision, but I was there to sell a few items, and not buy. Got our "end of year" bonus today, and I have a P226 that a friend is buying. Guess I'll be shopping for myself next week :huepfenlol2: .
Terry, in addition to the nice 'carry-melt' treatment, I like the ball-milled front strap. Looks great....now give us the true test of how it functions when you get it out to a range. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
Educate me, Buddy...WTF is a Ball Milled Front Strap? The part that functions as a trigger guard? It's Purdy, and functional, all at the same time. :huepfenlol2:The vertical 'grooves' in the front of the pistol 'handle' (reciever for the magazine) that your fingers below the trigger finger wrap around. They're one way to give addition traction for your grip, esp. good for a super small pistol. Some custom shops use 'stippling' or file-checkering to afford the same thing on various parts of the 'gripping surfaces'. This pistol may be the old Colt designed .380 that Sig bought the plans for and is now re-introducing....or maybe I'm thinking of another pistol.....it looks very similar to my old Colt .380, it's a good little carry package. How much do the spare mags cost? Be sure and carry a couple all loaded up since that's one of the main advantages of a auto pistol over the revolver. ;) :nixweiss: spyder
The vertical 'grooves' in the front of the pistol 'handle' (reciever for the magazine) that your fingers below the trigger finger wrap around. They're one way to give addition traction for your grip, esp. good for a super small pistol. Some custom shops use 'stippling' or file-checkering to afford the same thing on various parts of the 'gripping surfaces'. This pistol may be the old Colt designed .380 that Sig bought the plans for and is now re-introducing....or maybe I'm thinking of another pistol.....it looks very similar to my old Colt .380, it's a good little carry package. How much do the spare mags cost? Be sure and carry a couple all loaded up since that's one of the main advantages of a auto pistol over the revolver. ;) :nixweiss: spyder
Thanks...Yes, it is the old Colt design that Sig bought some 10 years ago or so. I've read that the old Colt magazines will fit and work in this model as well. I ordered two Sig magazines on line for $31 each. Sig only furnishes 1 with the gun. The dealer here in town only had some old used Colt mags, and I was reluctant to buy them as he was asking too much, IMO. So I opted for the Sigs and a Richie pocket holster. I've yet to find a IWB that is comfortable to me, and this gun is small enough to comfortably reside in front or rear pocket.Fine looking pistol Terry. May have to Merry Christmas myself one of those. Buying "used" mags is like a box of chocolate's, you never know what your gonna get! Wouldn't trust my life on a NEW magazine without it having several rounds run through it!
Here ya go --
Does anyone have a solution to the problems in traveling across the northern states and diving in and out of Canada? Is there any kind of system where you can check in your firearm, cross into Canada, and then retrieve it on the way back through?
Pistols are not illegal in Canada... I own a couple.
But, bringing them into Canada, moving accross Canada and back out is a problem.
I would suggest you contact the local Canadian Consulate or check the web. Try Border Services. They can let you know what you have to do
Traveled into Canada this past summer with a couple of friends. While going through a construction zone, we had a guy in a mini van go MAJOR ROAD RAGE on us. I thought to myself after he left, "what if and who knows". After riding another 3 days came up with a good solution. I purchase a large can a "Bear Spray" that I now carry in my left saddlebag guard bag. Bet the fight would have been out of him when he had snot running from his nose and tears pouring from his eyes.Great solution. Some say the cans of wasp/hornet spray are effective on lots of different 'pests' also. Just hard to carry around and keep handy. spyder
It would be pretty stupid to spray pepper spray in someone's window while they are driving...I don't think that was the intent of the suggestion...but to have some kind of defense if someone got out of the vehicle to confront or attempt assault on your person. If you picked up a stick and hit 'em in the head, you could also be liable. Shooting someone can also make you liable. Hell, any kind of defensive action is subject to liability, but it would sure be better than getting the chit beat out of you or being dead.
One could debate the merits of ANY defensive action and the potential repercussions. Bear spray is a pretty good alternative to deadly force, IMO. In a bad situation, lots of things can happen, but doing something is better than just laying down. Of course, fleeing is the best alternative...
run away.......run away. :D har. spyder
He said that old wive's tale about them having to be in your house is BS...if they end up on the front porch, that's OK.
The "Castle Doctrine" is not valid in all States.It will be here in a few days. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
In Vermont they send you to jail for protecting yourself. :soapbox: If you shoot someone here trying to do you harm, I will almost guarantee that you will be tried in a court of law. I can think of three cases in as many years where someone ended up in prison for doing so.Too many places have become like that........not sure why people chose to live under those laws. :-\ spyder
I think maybe in the past you could say something like only go where there are good people. It's not that way anymore. There are bad people that wish to do you harm everywhere. I know that sounds a little paranoid but I prefer to be prepared and always carry. Better to have and not need then to need and not have. :2vrolijk_21:
For those lucky enough to carry.
http://www.versacarry.com/
For those lucky enough to carry.
http://www.versacarry.com/
T-shirt?
If you wear for many hours a day, having a pistol against your skin is going to get uncomfortable real quick. That's before you figure out what your body moisture is going to do the tthe finish of you weapon.Yeah, I read some of the 'testimonials' and from personal experience, don't believe any of them. Would get 'old' real quick on anything other than 'occasional' carry. Even a cheap thin leather clip on would be better just because of the wrap around the pistol. And the bigger the pistol, the more important that becomes. spyder
Imho, after you figure out these gizmos aren't the hot ticket, you'll seek out a decent IWB/OWB holster.
I haven't read much of the thread so this might have been covered already. When you're filling out the CCW permit and they ask for justification on why I need to conceal what is a valid point that they will accept? Not sure if it varies by state or agency. I've heard that if you carry large sums of cash that approach works. Not sure if travelling to different states and out on the road alot wuod suffice. While I have a S&W 9mm, I've never concealed it...or actually fired it since I bought it in 1990. It's spent more time in a base armory than any other place and I've just never taken the time to go to a range to fire it. With that lack of usage I'm not sure why I want a .45 ACP but I do. Always thought the Desert Eagle .44 would be a cool pistol to own but it seems the best place for that is either in the movies or out hunting as a back up weapon.
Thanks.
I don't remember that question on the form here, but I'd likely answer with just a simple "For Self Defense".
I haven't read much of the thread so this might have been covered already. When you're filling out the CCW permit and they ask for justification on why I need to conceal what is a valid point that they will accept? Not sure if it varies by state or agency. I've heard that if you carry large sums of cash that approach works. Not sure if travelling to different states and out on the road alot wuod suffice. While I have a S&W 9mm, I've never concealed it...or actually fired it since I bought it in 1990. It's spent more time in a base armory than any other place and I've just never taken the time to go to a range to fire it. With that lack of usage I'm not sure why I want a .45 ACP but I do. Always thought the Desert Eagle .44 would be a cool pistol to own but it seems the best place for that is either in the movies or out hunting as a back up weapon.
Thanks.
Depending on your line of work, saying that you carry large amounts of cash, cod's and what not is a valid reason....in some states
I haven't read much of the thread so this might have been covered already. When you're filling out the CCW permit and they ask for justification on why I need to conceal what is a valid point that they will accept? Not sure if it varies by state or agency. I've heard that if you carry large sums of cash that approach works. Not sure if travelling to different states and out on the road alot wuod suffice. While I have a S&W 9mm, I've never concealed it...or actually fired it since I bought it in 1990. It's spent more time in a base armory than any other place and I've just never taken the time to go to a range to fire it. With that lack of usage I'm not sure why I want a .45 ACP but I do. Always thought the Desert Eagle .44 would be a cool pistol to own but it seems the best place for that is either in the movies or out hunting as a back up weapon.
Thanks.
I don't remember that question on the form here, but I'd likely answer with just a simple "For Self Defense".
As long as you dont have mental issues (that are documented) or felonies .SELF DEFENSE is all you need to say
AT least that is how it is in Michigan :nixweiss:
The voices are what told me to spend 36K on a friggin' motorcycle... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:Yeah, but that's for a motorcycle that you don't have to add anything to.. ::)...right? har. spyder
I haven't read much of the thread so this might have been covered already. When you're filling out the CCW permit and they ask for justification on why I need to conceal what is a valid point that they will accept? Not sure if it varies by state or agency. I've heard that if you carry large sums of cash that approach works. Not sure if travelling to different states and out on the road alot wuod suffice. While I have a S&W 9mm, I've never concealed it...or actually fired it since I bought it in 1990. It's spent more time in a base armory than any other place and I've just never taken the time to go to a range to fire it. With that lack of usage I'm not sure why I want a .45 ACP but I do. Always thought the Desert Eagle .44 would be a cool pistol to own but it seems the best place for that is either in the movies or out hunting as a back up weapon.I have a .45 Ruger P90DC, if you ever have to use it you will love a big bullet!!!
Thanks.
Still legal in all 50, just restricted to 10 round mags instead of 20 that most others allow. FN regulates their AP ammo, but there are other vendors that sell it. 2700 fps with no recoil and devestating ballistics results
One thing they have proved over & over outlaw guns & only outlaws will havum.Yep been that way for a long time 2k.
MA, similar to NJ & NY have their own laws that supersede federal. For example, you do not even need to a own a magazine to have an illegal CAR-15.
For that matter, in NJ, if you own or possess no firearms, it is still illegal to own +15 magazines. Some parts are also totally prohibited, such as a folding stock - no firearm required.
We're talking you get caught with this stuff and you are going to jail.
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That's just disgusting. Is there any regulation against caliber? You could put a Beowulf .50 cal upper on an AR platform that can penetrate an engine block, still technically legal. But a .22 marlin isn't!?!Just goes to show......our Lawmakers don't get it!!!!!
No holster..........................
Father accidentally kills himself in front of children at grocery store
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-father-had-gun-tucked-into-pants-waistband-20111116,0,1545282.story
Looks like 'Formal Wear' Terry. :toff: Hope it works well for ya whenever you receive it. :drink: spyder
Wow...how'd that happen on a DAO gun?
That's the reason I just ordered this for the new P238
Custom design... M-11...the brown/cordovan parts are Terju Lizard on both the holster and the mag carrier...
Brigade Leather out of Kansas: 6 months wait....one man shop.
Meanwhile I use a pocket holster from Ritchies Leather that has a cover on the thumb safety so it doesn't accidently get moved while in the pocket.
Wow...how'd that happen on a DAO gun?I just don't carry one in the chamber, never.
That's the reason I just ordered this for the new P238
Custom design... M-11...the brown/cordovan parts are Terju Lizard on both the holster and the mag carrier...
Brigade Leather out of Kansas: 6 months wait....one man shop.
Meanwhile I use a pocket holster from Ritchies Leather that has a cover on the thumb safety so it doesn't accidently get moved while in the pocket.
Wow...how'd that happen on a DAO gun?DAO= 'all one movement'..............safety? what safety? :confused5: spyder
DAO= 'all one movement'..............safety? what safety? :confused5: spyderX2
Kinda useless carrying a SD weapon without one in the chamber. Too much time to put into service.
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Kinda useless carrying a SD weapon without one in the chamber. Too much time to put into service.
Perhaps. I would not tell that to the children of the guy that killed himself.Hate to sound harsh, but if you can afford a Glock, you can afford a holster.
Hate to sound harsh, but if you can afford a Glock, you can afford a holster.
As I stated, I sold my Glock for, among other reasons, it had no "safety" as such. Yeah, you actually have to pull the trigger, but that little tab doesn't help much, IMO. Great guns, accurate, reliable, and a good choice for LEO duty weapons. Not so much for me, and obviously for the guy who killed himself.
I'm sorry for the situation that he left his family in, but I owe him, nor them, any apology.
I know that if you have a legal pre-ban AR with a collapsible stock and if you also possess a post 94 that is compliant, they can bang you with a felony because you can potentially own an illegal AW because you have the components to do so.
That's downright ludicrous! If that were the case then almost everybody in America could be arrested for being a potential terrorist for having enough general household items around to build a bomb! i.e. cleaning fluids, fuels for your mower, fertilizer for your garden, diesel in your truck or tractor, alarm clock, etc. Does my owning a Remington 1100 12ga. shotgun and having a hacksaw in my toolbox make me a criminal because I have the means to saw the barrel off? What the people of these states with such stupid, liberal lawmakers should do is vote their a$$'s out of office.
Fellas,
Thanks for all of your input, but telling the "Bad Guy's" what you carry and where is a bad idea. Maybe we should go a little quieter about our toyz....and use em when we need too...............
Just a thought......
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Kinda useless carrying a SD weapon without one in the chamber. Too much time to put into service.
The Mossad and other elite forces carry an empty chamber and those guys can get a hit on target faster than most do with one in the chamber and drawing. The secret to it is the same no matter how you carry. Practice practice practice ad regularlyAbsolutely agree (although the practice was much better when Uncle Sugar was buying all the ammo). :2vrolijk_21: har. spyder
Fellas,
Thanks for all of your input, but telling the "Bad Guy's" what you carry and where is a bad idea. Maybe we should go a little quieter about our toyz....and use em when we need too...............
Just a thought......
_B
If a bad guy is casing me, and he's dedicated to the point that he stalks my every move, and is capable to track me online to filter through every post I make on umpteen different forums for intel on what I might be packing, the guy is pretty good - wasting his time, but certainly dedicated. However, does it really matter if it's a .45 or a .40, or a .454 for that matter? No matter what I carry, he still has to risk me not using it when I recognize him as the threat, right? Thanks for the concern, but that's the least of my worries.
I agree that looking for people with guns is not the most attractive thing for someone to come after. I do feel that being discreet is a good thing such as concealed carry is better than open carry (unless at a range).
Officers are trained to be careful off duty and not advertise that they are law enforcement or armed since bad guys look for signs like FOP shirts and license plate frames or at a convenience store counter checking out a person's keyring for a handcuff key. That type of telegraphing may mean you get the first bullet if some bad guy opens fire.
Probaby a greater risk of becoming a burglary victim is to post your planned vacations. With all the ways to locate a person on the web and photos of your goodies that many are now geotagged it's like advertising "Look at all the neat stuff located at...and i will be away on these dates..." I agree that a motorcycle website is not the most frequented website for this though, probably greater chance on a social network like Facebook or Myspace.
I was intentionally aiming and trying to group in particular zones. 12 rounds to the head, same to the chest, and to the stomach area. A couple in the right shoulder on purpose. Then a couple of wild ones, but overall I hit things I needed to hit.
I'd agree, he's a goner...
And I'm lusting over this one pretty bad too...can't decide on a 45 yet, but it's between this one and a Colt that somebody told me about.
Is this a Kimber :nixweiss: I shot my 45 Kimber Ultra this past week for the first time and that pistol has a lot of attitude :P. I loved it :rifle:
Yea...I'm having a fire sale on Ebay right now with fly rods, reels to get some funding for another couple of purchases.
Thinking about doing the same with my fish gear. Never liked using that silly hook and line stuff anyway. Always preferred a knife or spear gun.Is that because you like to swim with the fishes? :-\ har. spyder
Yea...I'm having a fire sale on Ebay right now with fly rods, reels to get some funding for another couple of purchases.Terry great looking pistol. I have a couple pocket knives in that Rainbow Titanium. I was wondering how that finish would hold up on that pistol.
I want to get this one for Judi...Sig P238 in the Rainbow Titanium. She needs a gun in her purse, and won't have to buy but one main caliber of ammo for both of us.
Yea...I'm having a fire sale on Ebay right now with fly rods, reels to get some funding for another couple of purchases.My wife has the Silver and Black two tone version of that, wood grips and night sights. Very nice reliable little gun. On of the few pocket 380's that is fun to shoot.
I want to get this one for Judi...Sig P238 in the Rainbow Titanium. She needs a gun in her purse, and won't have to buy but one main caliber of ammo for both of us.
And I'd like to get this one to burn bullets through...TC I just got 3 of the sig 1911 22 in dark earth I have one left if you want it pm me ... by the way it a great gun I am a 1911 nut and have a nice collection of them got this sig because it is the same size as a full size 1911 and some 1911 aftermarket parts will interchange ....
Those desert eagles are nice but if you shoot it with your back to the wall they may have to peel you out of the sheet rock. My son bought me this for Christmas.
Those desert eagles are nice but if you shoot it with your back to the wall they may have to peel you out of the sheet rock. My son bought me this for Christmas.Nice, my daughter has a 38 spl derringer, I'd like to get one some day. Is that an American Derringer?
Those desert eagles are nice but if you shoot it with your back to the wall they may have to peel you out of the sheet rock. My son bought me this for Christmas.
High cotton dem Les Baer's....beauty!Thanks.
Thanks.Nice, Dave. I see that yesterday was the last day to order one of these from Ed Brown. Post some pics whenever you do receive it. :) spyder
My favorite which is being built, a Brown Centennial Edition Executive Elite. It will have every option on it under the sun, Novack gold bead front site, 10-8 rear sight, back serrated to match 10-8 sight. Flush cut barrel, my last name in the barrel bushing, Recessed slide stop, raised rib on top of the slide, extended mag well, Ivory grips, Blued gun. On side says 1911-2011 Centennial, the serial number starts with JMB. Put the deposit on this gun, before the deposit on my 12 CVO, I got the CVO 5 months after the deposit. Still waiting on the Centennial....
Then I am looking for a trailer to pull this behind my bike for Sturgis next year.
Those desert eagles are nice but if you shoot it with your back to the wall they may have to peel you out of the sheet rock. My son bought me this for Christmas.
Nice, Dave. I see that yesterday was the last day to order one of these from Ed Brown. Post some pics whenever you do receive it. :) spyder
I feel more frightened after reading all the above posts -- i am now mounting this on my bike for personal defenseHandlebar or Fairing Mount? :-\ har. :drink: spyder
I feel more frightened after reading all the above posts -- i am now mounting this on my bike for personal defense
I feel more frightened after reading all the above posts -- i am now mounting this on my bike for personal defense
I feel more frightened after reading all the above posts -- i am now mounting this on my bike for personal defenseDoofus put a tarp over it...supposed to be concealed! ;D
When you fire it, just be ready for either a REAL suddens stop, or acceleration. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Doofus put a tarp over it...supposed to be concealed! ;D
That's cool Terry. :2vrolijk_21: How many rds. does the magazine hold? spyder
....:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: I think I said the same thing just before I bought the one after the "one more". ;)
One more, and I'm done...
Went to Academy Sports today to pick up a fishing license. Well, I couldn't leave without checking out the firearms. Came back home with this: Colt 1911 22LR Rail Gun
I've read a bunch of stuff on this gun (surprise, surprise, surprise) and it gets very good reviews. Functions just like a "real" 1911, but you can afford to shoot it more. I didn't really care if it had a rail or not...the rail version has a little bit nicer sights, and Academy has a really good price on this gun, so I couldn't resist. It's built by Walther, but distributed by Umarex.
One more, and I'm done...
Yea...I'm having a fire sale on Ebay right now with fly rods, reels to get some funding for another couple of purchases.I have two (2) of these and love them.
I want to get this one for Judi...Sig P238 in the Rainbow Titanium. She needs a gun in her purse, and won't have to buy but one main caliber of ammo for both of us.
In an effort to be fiscally responsible, I'm thinking about buying a .45 1911, and then adding a .22 slide to keep cost down on ammo until I get confortable with the gun. Thoughts...
Supershooter
I have a German Sports Gun, or GSG 1911-22. Looks, feels and operates just like the real thing. I even have a set of grips on it that came on one of my other 1911's. Lots of fun to shoot, and 550 rounds in it cost about 4 dollars less than 50 rounds of 45acp.
In an effort to be fiscally responsible, I'm thinking about buying a .45 1911, and then adding a .22 slide to keep cost down on ammo until I get confortable with the gun. Thoughts...
Supershooter
Sounds good TC. And at your age, they'll prolly just grant you a lifetime hunting/fishing lic. anyway. :o ;D :D :P :drink: har. spyder
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: I think I said the same thing just before I bought the one after the "one more". ;)
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I know, Gary...it's like trying to have just one potato chip...
I'm just trying to get armed for all the Zombies next December... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :o
I know, Gary...it's like trying to have just one potato chip...I think owning/buying guns is worse than "OCD"... once you start you just can't stop... then when you have them you start stock piling ammo... next thing you know you have a safe full/arsenal. :2vrolijk_21: I'm trying my best to stay away from long guns but have been tempted to get a shotgun. :nervous:
I'm just trying to get armed for all the Zombies next December... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :o
I think owning/buying guns is worse than "OCD"... once you start you just can't stop... then when you have them you start stock piling ammo... next thing you know you have a safe full/arsenal. :2vrolijk_21: I'm trying my best to stay away from long guns but have been tempted to get a shotgun. :nervous:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Blow those Zombies chit away... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:With no experience in Zombies as adversaries, not sure if regular ammo will suffice or will special Zombie Rounds be req'd? har. spyder
With no experience in Zombies as adversaries, not sure if regular ammo will suffice or will special Zombie Rounds be req'd? har. spyder
For Christmas I got the Kimber Ultra CDP 45 in stainless steel/black with rosewood handles. Beautiful pistol that is sweet to shoot :beatdeadhorse: :rifle:Slide is stainless, the rest of the gun is Aluminum. Got mine December 2008, I have just over 3000 rounds through it. It was my Every Day Carry until I got the Les Baer Stinger this past May. The are a very nice gun, lots of fun to shoot and still carry it some times. It was my Favorite until I got the Brown and the Baer. For the money it is hard to beat!
That is virtually the same (if not exactly the same) as the Sig 1911-22LR. From what I've read, they both come out of the same plant. I was strongly considering one of those, but the Colt (Walther) was a little bit less expensive and Academy had a good price on it.I'm not sure if the Sig version was out yet, my local gun shop / range is a big sig dealer and they did not have one but did the GSG. No Academy in my area yet.
I've got an old 12ga Double Barrel, but it's so heavy, it's impractical for use.Nothing wrong with a heavy 12ga. for home defense. Might even be an advantage. ;) spyder
For Christmas I got the Kimber Ultra CDP 45 in stainless steel/black with rosewood handles. Beautiful pistol that is sweet to shoot :beatdeadhorse: :rifle:
I considered going that route too. Two things made me decide otherwise: The conversion kit is pretty expensive, so I could just get a whole 'nother pistol in 22LR for just a few bucks more and not have to fiddle with converting it over at the range if I want to shoot the 45 round as well; The 45 I've settled on is not a 5" barrel, it's a 4.2" (Commander length), so I COULD carry it if I want to, especially in colder weather with more clothes on. I mean, you CAN carry a 5" 45, but at 5'8" (and shrinking), it's a little large/heavy for me to tote in my wasitband.
And I may end up with a 20ga. tactical pump shotgun as well (Mossberg). I've got an old 12ga Double Barrel, but it's so heavy, it's impractical for use.
nothing will get someone's attention like hearing you rack a load in a pump shotgun...unmistakable sound.
I agree a shotgun is great, at home. Not to carry. BUT if you ever really need one, and hopefully you never will, but if you do, no time exists to be scaring someone with the sound of "racking" a shotgun, only sound should be safety going off so that already full chamber of "00" is ready to go.
do you know if those were "reloads"? have always been told to not use reloads in glocks because weakened brass could expand into the notch in the barrel
Has Kimber gotten rid of the razor sharp ejection ports yet?
Has Kimber gotten rid of the razor sharp ejection ports yet?My CDP Ultra does not have razor sharp ejection ports. Its pretty well de burred everywhere.
Went to the range yesterday for some time with #1 son and grandson.
Had a deal I couldn't refuse. He wanted a compact 9 and I wanted a G-19. I bought him the KelTec PF-9 (his choice) and traded for his G-19, gen 3. He has department issued Gen4 -19's.
I can tell you I certainly got the better end of the deal, that KelTec PF-9 kicks like a mule!. And it is very uncomfortable to handle when firing (digs into the fingers/hand)
Anyway, I had a gear bag full of mixed 9mm that I was using and had a case failure. The Glock's are a little loose on the sides in that you can see daylight through the slide and grip. Not a defect, inherent in a poly/steel design.
Heat/ smoke/flames/and powder - ouch. Got a 1st degree burn along the top of my index finger and black soot marks across both hands.
Pulled the gun apart, no round in the barrel (that was good) and no damage. My son is a certified Glock armorer, so it was good to have him on hand. Looked at the rest of the rounds in the bag and didn't see anything unusual.
2-3 mags later and - bang - does it again. That's it, all the ammo gets dumped until I can inspect.
Turns out both failed cases are the same brand, marked "F C"
Of the 100 or so rounds I have left of that bunch half are Winchester, a 1/4 PMC and about a dozen of these "F C" rounds. At least I think I can get rid of the bad chit.
My CDP Ultra does not have razor sharp ejection ports. Its pretty well de burred everywhere.
theses look like fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7CPUu8CKk8
So - I knew I "had" read about it, not sure when. It was over a year ago, August 2010 issue of Gun Tests, Kimber Compact Stainless II.Mine is an 08, it does not have a sharp edge like that on the ejection port.
Reminds me of being a kid and having Roman candle
Story with a good ending... :orange: :huepfenjump3:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/oklahoma-teen-mother-shoots-intruder-dead-with-12-gauge-shotgun/story-e6frf7jo-1226237289339
Refuse to be a victim. She's had a lifetime of grief is such a short time. I hope she can get some counseling to deal with potential PTSD. LEO would get it, she should be able to. :coolblue:She had a very tough decision to make, and made the right one. I do believe she will need counseling, she has been though a very lot in just a few short days.
She had a very tough decision to make, and made the right one. I do believe she will need counseling, she has been though a very lot in just a few short days.
Good example of why we need to carry, and why our wives or girl friends our daughters need to know how to shoot. My wife, and my 3 girls are all very good shots.
Won one of these today on Gunbrokers.com. Brand new in the box. Should receive it at my FFL dealer Wed or Thurs. Sig 1911 C3 w/Crimson Trace Grips and Magwell. Alloy frame, stainless slide, 7+1, sharp edges de-horned. Should be a nice 45ACP from what I've read.;) :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: BTW... Congrats. :2vrolijk_21:
I'm done...
Won one of these today on Gunbrokers.com. Brand new in the box. Should receive it at my FFL dealer Wed or Thurs. Sig 1911 C3 w/Crimson Trace Grips and Magwell. Alloy frame, stainless slide, 7+1, sharp edges de-horned. Should be a nice 45ACP from what I've read.
I'm done...
wondered if anyone really wins those giveaways
TC I've got itt but in the camo version. Nice but its got a little bite compared to the match series.
BigLew
Geez...just when you thought you might be done.....Hehehehehe... and you thought OCD was bad... only way to stop wanting/buying guns is to stop looking/reading about them and definitely stay out of the gun stores. :nervous:
http://www.sigsauerguns.com/product-highlights/sig-p938-specs/
Hehehehehe... and you thought OCD was bad... only way to stop wanting/buying guns is to stop looking/reading about them and definitely stay out of the gun stores. :nervous::)
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Geez...just when you thought you might be done.....When is this one comming out?
http://www.sigsauerguns.com/product-highlights/sig-p938-specs/
When is this one comming out?
Sometime in the next quarter, they say... :nixweiss:Dang it, gonna have to get one!!!
Dang it, gonna have to get one!!!
My personal little carry is the Kimber Crimson Carry II .45. The 4" barrel is the conceal length desired by me and the built in laser sight doesn't hurt.
If I could only find a way to mount a 50 cal on the bike! ;D
My fear continues to grow -- this may be a threat deterrent ---
havent seen this one yet... im almost afraid to ask :'( but what is it and purpose...Don't know for sure but I think it is a grenade launcher...and it's purpose is to blow chit up!
I believe that is a MK19 belt fed automatic grenade launcher.
I believe that is a MK19 belt fed automatic grenade launcher.
It is. These were being tested in the early '70s for use in helicopters, but didn't get used until almost a decade later. My brother was a Crew Chief at Ft Ord and told me about this weapon they were testing right after I returned from Nam. It is an awesome weapon.true dat !
In Nam, I was issued an M79 Grenade Launcher, but preferred buckshot (most of the time) rather than grenades. The scatter pattern is several times that of a 12 gage shotgun. Almost like a hand held claymore. I had a firsthand opportunity to see what they can do and it wasn't pretty. But it worked like a charm. :2vrolijk_21:
Got a chance to take the two new guns to the firing range Sunday afternoon...The Sig C3...shot 100 rounds of Winchester white box (Walmart specials), and 100 rounds of Federal...both 230 grain FMJ rounds. Not a single glitchGreat range report on the new pistols, TC.
Anyone handle one of these yet? Titanium frame ported barrel sub sub compact two shot .45 derringer with an extra two in the handle. Pretty cool for a last defense piece.
Anyone handle one of these yet? Titanium frame ported barrel sub sub compact two shot .45 derringer with an extra two in the handle. Pretty cool for a last defense piece.
Last but not least when the hell is Kel-Tec releasing the KSG? They said fall, then christmas, then no news. Wondering if they'll make a new amendment to the assault weapons to include this model. Its just plain cool :cool blue: zombie gun or not, I want it.
Anyone handle one of these yet? Titanium frame ported barrel sub sub compact two shot .45 derringer with an extra two in the handle. Pretty cool for a last defense piece.
Last but not least when the hell is Kel-Tec releasing the KSG? They said fall, then christmas, then no news. Wondering if they'll make a new amendment to the assault weapons to include this model. Its just plain cool :cool blue: zombie gun or not, I want it.I've been on a waiting list for just over a year for less than $700. I heard they shipped 250 of them so far, but seems us with the guarantied prices ain't going to see them until all of the dummies paying $1,500+ on Gunbroker are taken care of first. Sucks.
I've been on a waiting list for just over a year for less than $700. I heard they shipped 250 of them so far, but seems us with the guarantied prices ain't going to see them until all of the dummies paying $1,500+ on Gunbroker are taken care of first. Sucks.
Man, that little thing would be hard to handle unless you had it poked in somebodies belly to help stabilize the shot...
When I called Kel-Tec in December they told me all the gun broker listings were a scam. They said only a limited amount of test models had been sent to select distributors for testing purposes only and they were not the final product. Also that if they found out that those were going to be sold they would face serious repercussions. Whatever that means.
I called again today and left another message. Their automated response for the KSG still says fall of 11 for release date.
Now waiting for a call back
I've been watching this closely, and they are blowing smoke. There are a good number of folks - private citizens who own them. There is a Kel-Tec forum and these guys are starting to post there reviews and such. A number of them have admitted spending the big bucks to get one early, essentially, leapfrogging us who were waiting in line. Pisses me off.
http://www.thektog.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=92
A Kel-Tec rep posted that just before the Christmas shutdown, they shipped the first 250. That's when the flurry started hitting Gunbroker. Then they supposedly just shipped another 250 around the 16th. Again, the only thing this waiting list is doing is guarantying a reasonable price, but that will only happen when the pool of nutcases paying double the price go away. Frigging distributors!
The price at the Kel tec site is $880, why wold you pay more? to get it faster?
The price at the Kel tec site is $880, why wold you pay more? to get it faster?
Go on Gunbroker.com. I see today the active auctions are now in the $1,300 to $1,400 that have active bids and are past the reserve. Not sure where they will end, but two weeks ago, I saw a few north of $2K.
To be honest, I was hoping I'd get mine early, and I'd Gunbroker it myself. Then wait for the prices to get normal to get one, with the spare dough to get my Reflex.
Here is one for the record books.The long arm of the law. :nervous: spyder
I am retired law enforcement went to my local gun broker to purchase a another Kimber Crimson Carry II, this one for my wife. The paperwork was submitted for the background check, the Gun Broker told me I was denied by the Feds. The next day my doorbell rings and it was the FBI With a writ to collect all of my firearms, which they did. I contact the Feds, and they send me a document informing me that I have 2 warrants from Stoughton District Court in Massachusetts. I contact the court and a woman was nice enough to send me the charges that initiated the warrant. Get ready for this violation of Municipal Code Failure to license 2 dogs in 1999. I relocated from Massachusetts in 1998. To this day I am trying to get this resolved the least expensive way which is having the clerk at Stoughton District Court submit the package I mailed to him hoping he will submit it to the judge for dismissal, if not, I have to drive to Massachusetts from Las Vegas to appear before the judge or pay an attorney to appear on my behalf.
Here is one for the record books.
I am retired law enforcement went to my local gun broker to purchase a another Kimber Crimson Carry II, this one for my wife. The paperwork was submitted for the background check, the Gun Broker told me I was denied by the Feds. The next day my doorbell rings and it was the FBI With a writ to collect all of my firearms, which they did. I contact the Feds, and they send me a document informing me that I have 2 warrants from Stoughton District Court in Massachusetts. I contact the court and a woman was nice enough to send me the charges that initiated the warrant. Get ready for this violation of Municipal Code Failure to license 2 dogs in 1999. I relocated from Massachusetts in 1998. To this day I am trying to get this resolved the least expensive way which is having the clerk at Stoughton District Court submit the package I mailed to him hoping he will submit it to the judge for dismissal, if not, I have to drive to Massachusetts from Las Vegas to appear before the judge or pay an attorney to appear on my behalf.
Wow! I thought guns could only be confiscated after a felony conviction, newly deemed mental status change, or after a credible threat of violence upon being charged? These aren't even misdemeanors! How can they possibly confiscate your weapons over a local ordinance violation - a civil matter? I would URGE you to get in touch with the NRA - this is exactly the kind of stuff they are getting their attorney's to focus on. I'd even be inclined to secure my own attorney for a civil rights violation. If this story is straight up, this is bad from the word go. Being an ex-cop, you already know this. Don't let them get away with this kind of nonsense.
Here is one for the record books.
I am retired law enforcement went to my local gun broker to purchase a another Kimber Crimson Carry II, this one for my wife. The paperwork was submitted for the background check, the Gun Broker told me I was denied by the Feds. The next day my doorbell rings and it was the FBI With a writ to collect all of my firearms, which they did. I contact the Feds, and they send me a document informing me that I have 2 warrants from Stoughton District Court in Massachusetts. I contact the court and a woman was nice enough to send me the charges that initiated the warrant. Get ready for this violation of Municipal Code Failure to license 2 dogs in 1999. I relocated from Massachusetts in 1998. To this day I am trying to get this resolved the least expensive way which is having the clerk at Stoughton District Court submit the package I mailed to him hoping he will submit it to the judge for dismissal, if not, I have to drive to Massachusetts from Las Vegas to appear before the judge or pay an attorney to appear on my behalf.
love my LC9, great carry gun!!got the lc9 also but always carry the lcp great little gun do like shootin the 9 better
Stoughton sucks.....too close to Brockton, which sucks worse....Well, if there is any consolation I lived in North easton MA. The town did not even have a Mc Donalds back then 1980. If Brockton and Stoughton sucks just imagine !!!!!
I have the Ruger LCP 380,didnt like the long trigger pull and the roughness of the slide action.Saw a report on the Diamondback 380,bought one and the difference is big.Short trigger pull,only 5lbs pull,wicked smooth slide action,and the addition of the duck tail helps with the jumping of the muzzle.Very impressed with this little monster,I use the Hornady critical defense round.The diamond back has the Crimson Trace Laser and the Ruger has the Lasermax.
The entire fiasco has ended with regard to the warrants for dog licenses with the judicial system. I did not have to appear in court nor did I have to retain counsel; the presiding judge reviewed the warrants and dismissed them. Now I am waiting for the NICS to be updated with the warrants removed. Once the NICS is updated I will be able to retrieve my firearms from the FBI. However, I still need to discuss my being on the no fly list with Homeland Security.
wow, so you and the dogs been on the run since then. :huepfenlol2:
sorry, I guess it's no joking matter when you have to surrender your firearms.
The entire fiasco has ended with regard to the warrants for dog licenses with the judicial system. I did not have to appear in court nor did I have to retain counsel; the presiding judge reviewed the warrants and dismissed them. Now I am waiting for the NICS to be updated with the warrants removed. Once the NICS is updated I will be able to retrieve my firearms from the FBI. However, I still need to discuss my being on the no fly list with Homeland Security.
It is really sad and a reflection on our legal system when a person can be disarmed, banned from flying (denied the freedom of travel), denied their constitutional rights, and have a warrant issued due to some low level bureaucrat who got upset that you did not renew a dog license. What is next? Parking tickets?
Imagine if you had to appear in court. It would have been a long expensive trip since you cannot fly. Good luck with getting of the no fly list.
With only two bullets you better be a great shot.I think that is only a back up weapon. Primary weapon needs 6+1 or more , IMHO
CCW here.
Glock G22 .40cal in Miami II shoulder holster with 2 extra magazines.
Taurus Millennium Pro 9mm on bike.
Ruger LCR .357 magnum in cut....with 18 round bandolier on wrist.
Multiple knives.
Wifes little plinker is a Walther P22
(http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/TANKS250/Random%20Stuff/Guns%20and%20knives/4cc60758.jpg)
I'm a decent shot.....75' with the .357 with an 1 7/8" barrel(snub nose)
(http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/TANKS250/Random%20Stuff/Guns%20and%20knives/76926cc9.jpg)
Just got my hands on a KSG. Arrives toorrow. I will post some pix. :orange: :orange: :orange: :orange:
Not bad, Tanks! Great head shot... your 10 o'clock could be heeling (anticipating recoil) and your 7 o'clock could be squeezing the whole hand with trigger pull. Just had to give you a bad time! I do think you got all lethal shots! Danged if I could any better at that range...
Pretty God damned good for 75 feet,1.75 " barrell
Nice rig, Terry. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
New Custom made holster for my Sig C3. Black leather and Tergu Lizard. Made by Brigade Gun Leather in Kansas. He's a one man shop, so it took about 3 months to get it, but it was worth the wait! Beautiful craftsmanship, and the gun fits like a glove.
14+1 in 3 inch or 16+1 in 2 3/4 inch
Good luck with that . I waited 4 months to get my hands on one. I bought it WITHOUT seen it , just looking at videos and reviews. But after having it in my hand, it was well worth it. Is 26" overall length you could conceal it under a trench coat and a good sling!!!
Holy CHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You'd better not miss the burglar with that thing. You have holes all over the joint. That is very impressive...................................I'll have to see if they're avalible in my area just to check one out. :coolblue:
Really nice :2vrolijk_21: I love the two leather's ;D
14+1 in 3 inch or 16+1 in 2 3/4 inch
Thats Peanuts... you need the AA-12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
14+1 in 3 inch or 16+1 in 2 3/4 inch
Actually, its 14+1 for the 2-3/4" and 12+1 for the 3".
OMG!! they lied to me !!!! Well, if I have my glasses on I think 12 or 14 will be enough!!!! :2vrolijk_21:
Have not even load it yet, not enough shells!!!
I like that you could load ea. tube with different type shells. Adds a great versatility to the gun with just the flip of a lever. How heavy is it when fully loaded I wonder. :nixweiss: spyder
shooting clays with 22lr, 40 grain bullet. one take. :orange:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XejHoZA4FM&feature=youtu.be
I like that you could load ea. tube with different type shells. Adds a great versatility to the gun with just the flip of a lever. How heavy is it when fully loaded I wonder. :nixweiss: spyder
I have waded through this topic and have tried to think about what to say... I have been in this world for 20 years.I for one Have no idea what you attempted to say??
Mostly, I hear about caliber, etc... Then I hear about laws, etc... Here are my thoughts (even though I hold a CHL in Texas)...
Concealed is concealed. If I go state to state, what are the occasions that I would have to show my weapon? Where do i "check my gun" when riding 95 N through NJ and where do I get it on the backside?
Again... Concealed is concealed ... Take the Marine advice... Presentation in itself is playing the Ace of Spades.
YMMV, but... ATFOTRAF.
Skilter
Of course someone had to come up with the latest evolution of a great firearm.
http://now.msn.com/now/0312-double-barreled-handgun.aspx
I for one Have no idea what you attempted to say??
X2 :nixweiss:
Serious carry:
http://rjeffwelding.com/Motorcycle_Accessories.html
Another:
And.....what is legal length of a rifle barrel? Seriously, I think there is a federal law stating no less then 16 inches????
If it is the same as a friend has it is classified as a pistol. His the while it has the stock like that, it is to short to shoot like a rifle. It is held out just like a pistol. He has to carry his paper work so he does not get hassled.
And.....what is legal length of a rifle barrel? Seriously, I think there is a federal law stating no less then 16 inches????
too bad it didnt end well, as in it getting shot dead by the cops. :nixweiss:
Still waiting on a AA-12 to be available! :orange:
BigLew
Khar PM9 with a permit. Buried in bag unloaded when in the wrong states. Mag in pocket. I don't care what state I am camping in (I normally tent it..) it's in tent with me. Hello Mr Bear.. I prefer Spear Gold Dot +P, but find the large hollowpoint can bind up feeding on this weapon. Anyone else have this problem?
You might enjoy this videoLove it, all I want for Christmas
http://youtu.be/WOoUVeyaY_8
and nobody knows for sure how they'd act in a real life situation.
Even with LEO.
Just recently at the huge Woodbridge Center Mall we had a shoplifting turned hostage taking after the store security confronted the perp.
Took a knife to the woman's throat. Off duty LEO on part time didn't hesitate - just like TV - one round right between the eyes. Dropped hime where he stood like a box of rocks.
Good to know many have what it takes.
You might enjoy this video
http://youtu.be/WOoUVeyaY_8
Even with LEO.
Just recently at the huge Woodbridge Center Mall we had a shoplifting turned hostage taking after the store security confronted the perp.
Took a knife to the woman's throat. Off duty LEO on part time didn't hesitate - just like TV - one round right between the eyes. Dropped hime where he stood like a box of rocks.
Good to know many have what it takes.
Even with LEO.
Just recently at the huge Woodbridge Center Mall we had a shoplifting turned hostage taking after the store security confronted the perp.
Took a knife to the woman's throat. Off duty LEO on part time didn't hesitate - just like TV - one round right between the eyes. Dropped hime where he stood like a box of rocks.
Good to know many have what it takes.
Imagine if a private citizen did that in NJ. He would be on trial for murder. They don't look fondly on private gun ownership.
I've found from experience that it's better NOT to tell any LEO that you are carrying unless they ask. Here in Tennessee your carry permit number is the same as your driver's license number so if they run your driver's license through the computer, it shows that you have a carry permit. The two times that I did inform the LEO that I was carrying, I got real strange looks and they both backed up and placed a hand on their weapon. Caused a real nervous reaction so now I don't volunteer any info unless asked.I do the same thing. Unless they ask, I do not volunteer.
I like the ole saying 'what you don't know, won't hurt' so if there is no good reason to tell him/her then no harm...unless you do somthing stupid...I don't agree at all. I didn't know that the law was up for debate. Here if you want the permit obey the law. When stopped or approached make the statement. have done many times with no issues and one time could have been a real big issues one week after 9-11 at an airport but the Leo's and military handled it very well all things considered! Long story.
Yep, just received notice from one of the on-line ammo suppliers that their orders were over the top also. What's going on? spyder
Just get some zombie juice to rub on yourself, they cant detect you then, kinda like spashing troll piss on to make you invisable to trolls.In your neck of the world it would be "love bug" juice this time of the year!! :D
In your neck of the world it would be "love bug" juice this time of the year!! :DI was thinking that juice would be for Jock's Daytona-Gurls. ;D har. spyder
BigLew
I was thinking that juice would be for Jock's Daytona-Gurls. ;D har. spyder
Other side of the Colt..Nice, I'm thinking about selling my Kimber. Shot maybe 75-100 rounds. Just can't get used to carrying it with the hammer back at least I'm not comfortable with it. Pro Covert II and its a nice piece just not me. I really like my H&K P7 for the carry piece. Most people couldn't shoot it if they could take it away. Very cool sqeeze cocker!
Which Kimber do you have?Pro Covert II is the one I never shoot. I thought I might carry it but I don't.
Is the camo model?Yep with the laser. Nice piece
Yep with the laser. Nice piece
BigLew
Maybe...the whole gun is 7" long but the handle is about the same as an ultra CDP. But I've had one of those and they are a handful to shoot. Just don't like carrying somethng with the hammer back. Eveytime I reach to grab it out of the carry holster your thumb runs right accross the the slide lock (safety). That situation would happen so fast. Just not comfortable with it. I really like the P7 but I think I might get a new Ruger hammerless .38 with the composite frame. I forget what its call but I saw one over the weekend. Pretty cool for a carry piece on the bike.
My 2 cents Lou is that this gun is to big for a carry piece. It has over a 7" barrel making it not very practical for concealed carry. Perhaps the ultra Pro Convert ll would have been a better choice. Nice pistol from Kimber all things considered.
Maybe...the whole gun is 7" long but the handle is about the same as an ultra CDP. But I've had one of those and they are a handful to shoot. Just don't like carrying somethng with the hammer back. Eveytime I reach to grab it out of the carry holster your thumb runs right accross the the slide lock (safety). That situation would happen so fast. Just not comfortable with it. I really like the P7 but I think I might get a new Ruger hammerless .38 with the composite frame. I forget what its call but I saw one over the weekend. Pretty cool for a carry piece on the bike.
BigLew
Condition 1. Cocked and Locked! Practice,practice,practice.
I have the Kimber CDP Ultra for carry and I don't keep the hammer back. If I need to use it for defense I figured it won't take me long to pull the hammer back. I carry it when I do trips on my mc.
New Springfield XD series
http://www.xdspistol.com/
I have the Kimber CDP Ultra for carry and I don't keep the hammer back. If I need to use it for defense I figured it won't take me long to pull the hammer back. I carry it when I do trips on my mc.
Have a friend who carried like that for several years until the seat belt got him.
That is an AD waiting to happen if it is on a loaded chamber. Have a friend who carried like that for several years until the seat belt got him. Got lucky but had one heck of a time explaining it to his wife and the upholstery shop.
So - the seat-belt cocked the hammer and then pulled the trigger?
He was carrying it with the hammer down on a chambered round which he had been warned about for years. (Forest Gump stupid is as stupid does kind of guy). Seatbelt caught the hammer and slipped off the hammer before going to full cock. Hammer did not catch on the half-cock notch(later determined the sear bounced and prevented that) hammer then fell on a loaded round.
The only way to carry a 1911 of any kind safely is
#1. Cocked and locked (the reason for extended safeties)
#2. Hammer down on an empty chamber
#3. Not at all
Of course I am a rookie on carrying a 1911 having owned one of the first 1970 Mark IV and carrying it till 2010.
and the Nighthawk is, well still on my wishlist...
Still waiting for my son to tire of his custom Nighthawk. Has dropped several hints about maybe getting rid of it.
I wish I could afford one!!
Just bought a Ruger LCR .38+. Pretty cool gun. Especially with the new sticky holster. Fits really cool in the bike jacket and should do the trick. Let you guys know how she does at the range. Kimbers to big and to nice for the bike carry.
BigLew
He was carrying it with the hammer down on a chambered round which he had been warned about for years. (Forest Gump stupid is as stupid does kind of guy). Seatbelt caught the hammer and slipped off the hammer before going to full cock. Hammer did not catch on the half-cock notch(later determined the sear bounced and prevented that) hammer then fell on a loaded round.
The only way to carry a 1911 of any kind safely is
#1. Cocked and locked (the reason for extended safeties)
#2. Hammer down on an empty chamber
#3. Not at all
Of course I am a rookie on carrying a 1911 having owned one of the first 1970 Mark IV and carrying it till 2010.
im a leo i carry always in every state on my pearson with a ccr permitIf you're LEO you don't need a concealed carry permit (especially since there isn't a nationwide cc permit and some states don't have reciprocity with others) you can carry under the Law Enforcement Act of 2004.
So Darth I too have the older snake slayer. Which do you prefer the .45LC or the 000 buckshot? That long colt screams out of the gun. If I really want to make some noise I get out the FN 5.7 that I carry with the 30 rd clips. :orange: :orange:
And that is the reason I do not carry a 1911 frame (I have 2)
MY HK, XDM or Glock are safer to me with a first shot being double action.
cocked and locked always un-nerved me, but I knew better than to put one in the hole with hammer down (ultra stupid) and if I really needed a gun, not sure there is enough time to rachet the slide back.
hence my carrying a Kel-tec, Glock, HK compact.
I no longer carry my Para ordinance or Kimber.
No more 1911 based for me since 2010 for cc either. I have become a Sig bigot and always have one ready and handy
Colt Compact 911 / 45 ACPMaybe the model 1911 Colt was what they fashioned the nine one one emergency call numbers from.....makes sense to me. ;) har. spyder
I guess the thing that I am most worried about is I see a hugh amount of people buying handguns. And a large number of them are not even sure which end the bullet comes out of. Well maybe they do, but to listen to these newbies talk they have no intention or going to the range and learning how this firearm thing works. This scares the crap out of me. Back in my days in rural NC it was a rite of passage to hunt and fish and do those things with dad. I really believe that until you kill somethng I mean watch what you just shot die that you have no idea what this gun thing is about. It was a big deal when we killed game and we always ate what we killed. when you get up close and personal with the firearm and the life you took it will change your outlook. I'm glad I had the experience and i shared it with my girls when they were in their late teens because they wanted the experience and to spend some time with dad doing some non girley things and it changed there video game thinking. And we still do it today.I liked your 'rant', biglew. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
I know folks have the right as a citizen of the great nation to own firearms but if you dont spend some time REALLY learning how it operates and what it can do it might as well be a stapler. Im as afraid of these folks as I an the guy that would break into my house. They could be the final straw in our right to own! Hope not, sorry for the rant.
If you own a gun shoot it regularly and encourge others to do the same or better yet take a newbie to the range. These are dangerous times educate others to protect our rights to carry!!
BigLew
100% agree BigLew.X 2 me either
Another thing to think about....and I mean REALLY think about it... Is how are you going to react when and of you have to use the firearm? Are you really prepared to shoot someone else, even if it's self defense? If you're going to shoot someone, are you aiming for the knee, or critical mass? In my humble opinion, if you're not prepared to shoot for critcal mass, without hesitation, then, you better not pull it out, and it might be better if you didn't even have it.
I've never had to pull a gun on someone. I hope and pray I never have to. But, I have given it serious thought to how I'll react. Be prepared. It's not a game nor a toy.
When I went to the CCP class, I was disappointed to see how little to no training is actually required to carry a weapon on you. The class lasted 45 min and 3 shots at the range. The lady in front of me did not know the difference between muffler and muzzle and still passed the course. Don't blame the guns , is the stupid people that gives them bad reputation. Is like blaming the cars for all the morons behind the wheel. :drink:
When I went to the CCP class, I was disappointed to see how little to no training is actually required to carry a weapon on you. The class lasted 45 min and 3 shots at the range. The lady in front of me did not know the difference between muffler and muzzle and still passed the course. Don't blame the guns , is the stupid people that gives them bad reputation. Is like blaming the cars for all the morons behind the wheel. :drink:
Floriduh is full of exceptional idiots...part of gunshow class is walking through the paperwork step by step because some folks are that stupid.
I am waiting on a new S&W Shield in .40 for something different.
So, the answer is to make it more expensive or difficult for a law abiding citizen to get a concealed weapons permit?? Wrong answer. Does anyone know the statistics for how many crimes are committed by concealed weapon permit holders (the stupid and uneducated ones included) with guns? It's far less than 1% per year (I'm not going to go through where I found the stat, do your own homework). The point here is that criminals will continue to commit crimes no matter how much it costs or how deep the background check or how much training is required to get a concealed weapons permit because criminals don't care about getting them. Don't blame the guns or the concealed weapons holders for shooting crimes. Blame criminals. :2vrolijk_21:Hang on I agree with what you are saying and the number of CC folks commiting felonies is very very small. But buying a long gun is one thing (it will stay at home most of the time) but handguns thats a different deal. # years ago i dont know that it bothered me, but there is a real panic out there with average americans and a lot are buying handguns and carrying legal and not so legal. I dont want to loose my rights to carry because a new group of nuts want to carry a pistol around and do something stupid.(there are a lot of folks that would love for that to happen) I dont know what the answer is but something needs to be in place. Hey you get a drivers permit to drive and they test you and make you preform before you can drive, just saying!
I'm totally against anyone having CCP. It's our God Given, and constitutional right. Why should I need a permit to protect myself?
I'm totally against anyone having CCP. It's our God Given, and constitutional right. Why should I need a permit to protect myself?That is your right to have an opinion. But I don't want criminals to be able to hide a gun!
I'm totally against Ken having a shotgun. I saw the pictures of what you did to that poor defensless washer when it pissed you off... :rifle:
That is your right to have an opinion. But I don't want criminals to be able to hide a gun!
That's easy enforce the existing law.
That's easy enforce the existing law.
WOW. NC requires 10 hrs of class and 50 rounds fired on the range at various targets.
If certain communities in the US determine that they will outlaw guns, in spite of our Second Amendment, they will do so & they have. If they determined to outlaw other rights given to us by God & protected by the limitations the US constitution has placed on government interference in those God given rights, then based on what they have done regarding the Second amendment & guns, they can do that as well. Certain US university campuses & Freedom of Speech restricted/forbidden comes to mind here. There are other examples. That all are unconstitutional does not prevent them from trying. Tyranny requires those willing to be subjected to tyrants, at the first anyway. Later on, when the tyrants are in full control, the populace is too weak to do much about it.
Our society is no longer based on agronomics, and the majority of our population no longer live in rural areas. That is understood. But that alone should not limit the rights of us as citizens, yet it has & is used conveniently as an excuse by any (especially certain politicians) who choose to limit our rights for reasons they see fit.
If I choose to own a gun, or carry a gun, where I live it is fairly easy to do so. Certain folks are prohibited since they are felons or freaking crazy/nuts or too young - am ok with that. Certain areas - court rooms, etc. - guns are not allowed - ok with that for the most part. But when I am breaking the law by possessing a gun when I cross a certain state line or into a community that has decided to allow the tyrannical to over rule the constitution, I am not ok with that.
Gun & ammo sales continue to be very strong - one sector of our economy that is thriving.
On a side note, to get a concealed weapons permit in Georgia is ridiculously easy.
It is even easier in Vermont and we allow all out of state'ers to partake too. Just don't use it for self-defense or you will end up sharing a room with someone named Billy Bob for a very long time...Yea funny how that works???? :2vrolijk_21:
:oops: :nixweiss:
It is even easier in Vermont and we allow all out of state'ers to partake too. Just don't use it for self-defense or you will end up sharing a room with someone named Billy Bob for a very long time...
:oops: :nixweiss:
XM855 is over fiddy cent a round??!!! XM193 backorderd? Jimmeney!
I did land 1k of XM193 on stripper clips at around .44 per..around January
I need to get a nice .22 rimfire for something affordable to shoot..Any suggestions?
Why can you carry and not use for self defense? Not quite sure why? You hafta bonk them on the head with it?
I see the right to carry as multi-layered issue.
Second Amendment gives us the right to carry and should not be so segmented from one jurisdiction to another. I agree with others who have said more training is needed before a permit is issued. It needs to be a combination of the mechanics of shooting and maintaining the weapon in addition to the legal aspects like police officers going through "shoot, don't shoot" scenarios. This way a person can learn what is considered a justified shooting and what would land them in jail.
Gun holders in the past learned gun safety from childhood with hunting and target shooting. Back then there wasn't such a fear of guns. As mentioned in some posts we are no longer a rural culture so many don't grow up around guns so they fear them and don't see a need for them since they only see guns as an offensive thing. They have a mistaken belief that the police will prevent harm to them.
One saying says "when seconds count the police will be there in minutes." In reality that does appear correct in most cases.
Creating "gun free zones" like schools and churches etc. will only advertise to the criminal where to find a collection of unarmed people that makes for easy pickings. In Florida the car jackings and robberies went up around airports when they allowed more state residents to carry guns. Reason being the criminal couldn't trust that a Florida resident wasn't packing a weapon but they knew a traveler would be unarmed and probably carrying lots of vacation money and electronics. rental cars used to have large bumper stickers advertising their company and that was another way for criminals to spot the easy prey.
Lawmakers play to the general public that thinks passing a law makes you safe. That is sadly not the truth. The Columbine shootings were an example. had the two suspects survived the day they would have faced over 300 years in jail just on the existing laws they broke. So would one more year in jail for carring a gun on school grounds have prevented that tragedy?
I think we need better upbringing to accept responsability for our actions and to respect the value of human life don't get into a shooting over road rage or because someone "dissed" you. maybe the violent video games kids play today has desensitised them to value of human life?
I like the quote from Benjamin Franklin: They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Last week i had to get towed in on the sesg. I told the driver to hang on a minute while i pulled out a .38 a .40 glock couple boxes of ammo and two speed loaders. He was all super polite i geuss he though id plug him if he wasnt. Id planned on doing some target shootin. :orange: :bananarock:
On a side note, to get a concealed weapons permit in Georgia is ridiculously easy. I recently moved here from Florida and changed residency so I needed to get a permit for Georgia. It consists of going to the probate court of your county, filling out a photocopied application and getting your fingerprints recorded at a local police department for a background check. In a couple of short weeks you get a laminated 3 x 4 piece of paper stating you are now legal to carry a concealed weapon. On the back it even states in bold black letters "GEORGIA CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT" if there was any doubt. That's right. No classes, no pictures, no proof of any firearm knowledge.
I need to get a nice .22 rimfire for something affordable to shoot..Any suggestions?
Smith & Wesson Model 41 You will absolutely love it. :2vrolijk_21:
XM855 is over fiddy cent a round??!!! XM193 backorderd? Jimmeney!
I did land 1k of XM193 on stripper clips at around .44 per..around January
I need to get a nice .22 rimfire for something affordable to shoot..Any suggestions?
When you see that pig fly, take a picture... ;)
Have about 150+ rounds through my new little S&W Bodyguard 380
I like it. For a small pocket gun it is fairly easy to control and get right back on target for follow ups. Compared to my son's Kel-Tec compact 9, I'll take the S&W any day.
Even though it is equipped with a "built in" laser, I found the sights to be very accurate. Almost easier then using the laser.
As a side note, my son found an issue with the Kel. He had the grip extension on the mag and the downward force created by the small grip and the fingers wrapped around it, and the action of the slide was causing the mag to release. Not drop, just release enough to not chamber the next round.
In Jersey we can "own" hollow points, but can't carry them or use them (even in your own home) So, for the home defense purpose I will be using one of the defense rounds, basically a hollow point with a polymer ball seated in the nose.
#1 son told me his department testing has shown the smaller rounds with the poly tipped hollows are actually better then true hollow points, as they don't clog with heavy clothing.
Just got this yesterday. Kimber CDP ll Ultra 45. Ordered it Dec 4th. Found another one the end of Dec so since I didn't put any money down, I assumed I could turn it down when it arrived at the dealer....Wrong, now I own two. Not sure if I will keep this one or sell it.
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http://www.ruger.com/products/markIII/index.html
have the target model . great little gun fun and cheap to shot
Just got this yesterday. Kimber CDP ll Ultra 45. Ordered it Dec 4th. Found another one the end of Dec so since I didn't put any money down, I assumed I could turn it down when it arrived at the dealer....Wrong, now I own two. Not sure if I will keep this one or sell it.
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Mine is just over 4 years old, over 3500 rounds though it. It was my Every Day Carry until I got a Les Bear Stinger last spring. Now I alternate, with the Kimber getting more warm weather duty as it is an 1 1/4 shorter barrel, the bear gets cooler weather duty.
I use Milt Sparks VMII in the waist band tuckable holsters for them.
The Ultra CDP is a great shooting gun, nice and light for carry.
Cary it condition 1, one in the barrel, cocked and locked at all times.
Not in NYC, no way no how, unless you're a cop. Damn near impossible to get pistol permits anymore. :nixweiss:I guess I'd have to move!
Hoist! 8)
Just got this yesterday. Kimber CDP ll Ultra 45. Ordered it Dec 4th. Found another one the end of Dec so since I didn't put any money down, I assumed I could turn it down when it arrived at the dealer....Wrong, now I own two. Not sure if I will keep this one or sell it.
Been waiting for an opportunity to see these Would like pone, but pricey. Can't imagine having to buy 2. Thinking the 9 might be a bit more manageable.
Make up your mind yet with the extra?
Been waiting for an opportunity to see these Would like one, but pricey. Can't imagine having to buy 2. Thinking the 9 might be a bit more manageable.The Ultra CDP is surprisingly manageable. I shoot 230 grain no trouble with it. My wife really likes it and is extremely accurate with it. They have been creeping up in price. But I think you get what you pay for. Right now it's the least expensive 1911 I own. The 1911 is my favorite gun.
Make up your mind yet with the extra?
Carry what?spare magazines. ;) har. spyder
Gov prob gonna sign open carry n Oklahoma this week do not believe will go into effect until November 1Since Oklahoma honors Arkansas CCP, can a Arkansas resident open care in Oklahoma? Or can any one open carry? Do you still have to have a permit to conceal carry to open carry?? Thanks for any info on this.
Since Oklahoma honors Arkansas CCP, can a Arkansas resident open care in Oklahoma? Or can any one open carry? Do you still have to have a permit to conceal carry to open carry?? Thanks for any info on this.Here it is. You still need a permit
Only on video. $350........... :rifle: :rifle:
leave it at home some states are not carry states they will also tow the bike with a weapon in it
Yes I carry. Question is, I am planning to travel through multiple states, travel up to Niagara Falls NY and cross into Canada. With Canada not allowing Pistols to be transported there, does anybody know of a firearms dealer that will let me leave my pistol with them and have them ship it to a firearms deal in my hometown?With the obvious exception of Canada, even those states that do not honor your CCW permit do allow container transport. To be honored in every state without exception, you should have a cheap locked box like a NanoVault. Then just make sure the gun is unloaded, the box locked, and you should be fine with it locked in your Tourpak. Before you hit Canada, locate a convenient FFL and have him Fedex the locked box to another convenient state side FFL near where you re-enter the US and you should be fine.
THANKS
I am a licensed firewarm dealer(FFL) and also have a permit in VA for concealed carry.
I use this website when I travel. It has a very good can / cant when it comes to these types of questions. BEWARE the law is always changing.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
I just got in my KSG!!!!!!!!! :jack: :orange: :orange: :orange: :orange:
So how long did you wait for that? I just placed a direct order through them and was told 3-6 month wait list. It's the only way I'll get it at a decent price. How close were you to MSRP?
I had a spot 2nd in line for $594.99 that I placed a year and a half ago. However, last January the place OMB Express went belly up. I knew I should have placed orders at multiple places!Quite a few problems that continue to be noted...the worst of which is the failure to feed even with the modified ramps. Doesn't help that you've got add'l. rounds if they won't load properly EVERY time in a defensive weapon. And the plastic guard... :confused5:...why does anyone build a weapon out of plastic? spyder
That said, there have been alot of discussions about naggin little problems and breakage. Even if I had secured one, it would have gone straight to Gunbroker.
Good job on your sale.
Quite a few problems that continue to be noted...the worst of which is the failure to feed even with the modified ramps. Doesn't help that you've got add'l. rounds if they won't load properly EVERY time in a defensive weapon. And the plastic guard... :confused5:...why does anyone build a weapon out of plastic? spyder
Open carry goes into effect next door in Oklahoma Nov 1st I believe!! What you gun lovers like me think about that? I have mixed emotions on that! Most of the time I think I'll keep mine hid!I keep mine hid, I like the element of surprise.
While I own some weapons for home defense and sport, I am very curious about any true stories of if anyone here has had to use their weapon that they "carry" on their bike or other situations. I know about "peace of mind" very well, but am truly interested in actual experiences.That's a good question I'd be interested in too. Never had to use mine yet but a time or two I was sure glad I had it in my pocket! Having someone of the rough nature scoping you out or someone asking you for money on the rough side of town always puts a little edge on the possibility's??
Thank you very much...
I keep mine hid, I like the element of surprise.
Today I played around with a Beretta A400, semi auto shotgun. OMG , you could carry it if you wear a trench coat, but that thing is chambered 3.5 and shoots 6 shells in less than 3 seconds. Great weapon. Awesome review here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA-BHnfmnis&feature=player_embedded
Great Advise!
Yeah me to :2vrolijk_21: Most people where I live carry GUNS legal or not :confused5: Mostly concealed
Your best defense, Is to be aware of your surroundings ;) Dont get caught slippen(street slang,For not paying attention)I go to the range 4 or 5 times a month,But as most of you know if someone has the drop on you,Dont be reaching for your gun. Timing is everything ,dont let adreniline get you killed,Use your mind,think and react to the situation. What Im saying is #1 if there trying to ROB a biker,there comin at you guns drawn and in a hurry! When your getting gas or leaving a bar or anywhere for that matter ,Keep your head on a swivel and know who's around you ;) GOOD LUCK
This is my newest 1911, an Ed Brown Executive Elite Centennial edition. 7 months to get after I ordered it. Blued with Ivory grips, extended magwell, flush barrel crown, recessed slide lock pin, 10-8 rear sight, novak gold bead front, serrated rear of slide to match sight serration. 3.5 pound trigger. Got the pro-tech knife to match.If it's gonna be a 'carry' weapon, and not a safe-queen, let us know how it shoots. Looks great. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
If it's gonna be a 'carry' weapon, and not a safe-queen, let us know how it shoots. Looks great. :2vrolijk_21: spyderIts not a safe queen, put 150 rounds though it the day I got it. Put another 150 though it the following week end. Shoots like a dream, the slide is smooth as silk, the trigger is great. A lot like my Ed Brown Special Forces. The gun is far more accurate than I am. It has not had one hick-up.
This is my newest 1911, an Ed Brown Executive Elite Centennial edition. 7 months to get after I ordered it. Blued with Ivory grips, extended magwell, flush barrel crown, recessed slide lock pin, 10-8 rear sight, novak gold bead front, serrated rear of slide to match sight serration. 3.5 pound trigger. Got the pro-tech knife to match.
I am, it's my favorite. Its a joy to shoot.
That is one SWEET pistol :2vrolijk_21: I bet you're proud of that bad boy :huepfenjump3:
Today I played around with a Beretta A400, semi auto shotgun. OMG , you could carry it if you wear a trench coat, but that thing is chambered 3.5 and shoots 6 shells in less than 3 seconds. Great weapon. Awesome review here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA-BHnfmnis&feature=player_embedded
Still nice, still pricey and the S&W imported versions look very "Americanized". The PPS in 9 is on my next order list.
http://www.google.com/search?q=walther+pps&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=PK5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vKLeTtX-Hefj0QGU4pjSBw&ved=0CFoQsAQ&biw=1680&bih=867
That compensator looks like an A2 suppressor, maybe just in the pic? Can't see top
Open carry goes into effect next door in Oklahoma Nov 1st I believe!! What you gun lovers like me think about that? I have mixed emotions on that! Most of the time I think I'll keep mine hid!
I live in Oklahoma and will prob keep my hidden most of the time. Surprise is ususally and advantage. The open carry for me made me feel safer as far as over zealous LEO acting ignorant. Concealed here means you cannot even allow an outline of the weapon, or any part show at any time or it is not concealed. According to the judges that I ride bikes with. LEO is important but some use borderline stuff to ..............................well you guys know. Sorta like well one of your tag lights was out do you mind if I search your car. Yep does happen.My wife cuts a guys hair that's an ex-cop. He's actually the one that convinced me to get my conceal carry permit. He said with that any experience with law enforcement in a traffic stop would be more pleasant. Background checks been done etc... If your going to keep a gun handy he said be legal!
I have (just like most of you guys) nothing to hide but do not want to be picked on just for the heck of it.
My wife cuts a guys hair that's an ex-cop. He's actually the one that convinced me to get my conceal carry permit. He said with that any experience with law enforcement in a traffic stop would be more pleasant. Background checks been done etc... If your going to keep a gun handy he said be legal!Well, that's surely 'logical'..........now, if only logic will prevail, at least most of the time. spyder
Well, that's surely 'logical'..........now, if only logic will prevail, at least most of the time. spyderLogic is a key word there Spydglide, along with common sense? I know a lot of good people that carry a gun in their vehicle without a permit! Their constitutional right, right? Wrong!! It is, but it's not? I was told by this ex LEO that there's a bunch of police out there and some young LEO's that don't want you carry a gun for any reason! Some, not all! But he stated that if the wrong officer pulls you over ( one like you spoke of or one that's trying to build a reputation as a hard $ss) and your carrying without that permit, he can if he likes run you right thru the ringer! Hope I never have to use any of my weapons and home or away, but I'm glad I have permission to do so, under even limited guidelines!!
Anybody buy the new S&W M&P Shield in 9mm? Trying to find one and none of my local shops can get one.Saw a couple listed at www.gunbroker.com
Anybody buy the new S&W M&P Shield in 9mm? Trying to find one and none of my local shops can get one.
My wife got one in .40 Cal flavor, she wanted a 9 mm, but none of the gun shops could find one. I'm not sure why the 9mm version is so hard to get but it seems to be the case :nixweiss:I'd rather have the .40 any day!! Except for plinking that is! ;D
I'd rather have the .40 any day!! Except for plinking that is! ;D
Saw a couple listed at www.gunbroker.com
Just contact the listing store/person to see if they still have one then arrange payment. They will be able to ship one to your local FFL dealer. I know Superior Pawn will charge $35 to handle the paperwork and do a backround check to comply with Feds. I think Bob's Gunshop in Norfolk has a similar program.
Yes, I've seen them, but you pay well over retail plus transfer fee. Don't need one that bad.Not always, Pete. I've purchased pistols on GunBroker for less than retail and even with the $35 transfer fee and postage, the sales tax savings still made it a better deal than local. Just have to watch & shop hard. ;) har. spyder
Not always, Pete. I've purchased pistols on GunBroker for less than retail and even with the $35 transfer fee and postage, the sales tax savings still made it a better deal than local. Just have to watch & shop hard. ;) har. spyder
I carry a bond arms. 45 long colt or 3 inch 410 shot. Double barrel. Kicks like a mule but gets attention. Easy to conceal carryBetter than no gun at all. A worthy BUG, but if you double-tap with that one, you're done. spyder
I carry a bond arms. 45 long colt or 3 inch 410 shot. Double barrel. Kicks like a mule but gets attention. Easy to conceal carry
Finally got it ;DIt was worth the wait ... I guarantee it !!!!
Trying to find one myself let us know how it handles.....
Glock 27 sub compact .40 cal with a newly added lasermax guide rod laser sight. Just picked up this for my top shelf in my saddle bag, link belowJust my .02 but I would reconsider that method of carry. I know it's reasonably priced but I would be concerned for several reasons.
http://cyrilhuzeblog.com/2011/11/10/saddlebag-organizer-for-your-glock-pistolclip/
Finally got it ;D
Kimber .45 ACP Ultra Carry II............dont leave home without it! have a new sneaky pete holster l
That's my gun of choice.., I happen to own 2 of them :2vrolijk_21:
Tried search and didn't get any hits. Anyone own an FN Five Seven? Hadn't heard of them until I heard someone talking about them... looks pretty bad ass! 5.7×28mm (.224), 20 round mag (or an extended 30), 1800fps, low recoil, effective to 100m... seems like a pretty sweet package (though pretty spendy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
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http://www.impactguns.com/fn-five-seven-usg-3-20rd-mags-3868929120-818513002509.aspx
A friend just picked one up, he says the most accurate pistol he has owned...spendy piece and spendier ammo... :drink:
Tried search and didn't get any hits. Anyone own an FN Five Seven? Hadn't heard of them until I heard someone talking about them... looks pretty bad ass! 5.7×28mm (.224), 20 round mag (or an extended 30), 1800fps, low recoil, effective to 100m... seems like a pretty sweet package (though pretty spendy).
1100 beans down here in wpb... :o
To expand on the advantages of the Five-seveN platform itself, here is a comparison between another polymer handgun (the .45 ACP Glock 21) and Five-seveN:
-- Capacity. The Five-seveN has a flush-fit magazine capacity of 20 rounds, while the G21 has a flush-fit capacity of 13 rounds; so the Five-seveN carries about 55% more ammunition in a standard magazine. If a larger magazine capacity is desired, 30-round Five-seveN magazines are also available and only add about 1.5 inches to the height of the standard magazine.
-- Weight. The Five-seveN weighs 1.6 lb when loaded with 20 rounds, while the Glock 21 weighs 2.4 lb when loaded with 13 rounds; so when both guns are loaded, the Five-seveN is about 33% lighter than the G21. Meanwhile, a spare Five-seveN magazine (loaded) weighs about 0.3 lb, while a spare G21 magazine (loaded) weighs about 0.75 lb; so each spare (loaded) Five-seveN magazine is about 60% lighter than its G21 counterpart.
-- Trajectory. The 5.7x28mm fired from the Five-seveN pistol drops about 5 inches (more or less, depending on load) at 100 yards, while a 230 grain .45 ACP at 850 ft/s drops about 25 inches at the same distance; and there is a significant difference in drop even at 50 yards.
-- Penetration. The 5.7x28mm fired from the Five-seveN (with proper ammunition) will penetrate virtually any type of body armor in common use, while the .45 ACP will not penetrate even the weakest body armor types. [See some of the recent shootings involving body armor, such as the Binghamton shooting rampage and the Tyler, Texas courthouse shootout. In the former, a man wearing body armor murdered 13 people before killing himself. In the latter, a man wearing body armor opened fire outside a courthouse, killing and wounding several people; the attacker was shot in the chest and back repeatedly by Mark Wilson with his .45 ACP CCW pistol, but the rounds had no effect on the attacker's body armor and Wilson was killed as a result.]
-- Controllability. The 5.7x28mm has about 30% less recoil than the 9mm, and the difference widens when you compare it to the .45 ACP.
So when you look at the overall picture, the Five-seveN platform itself offers a number of advantages that far outweigh a couple tenths of an inch difference in bullet diameter.
1100 beans down here in wpb... :o
Tried search and didn't get any hits. Anyone own an FN Five Seven? Hadn't heard of them until I heard someone talking about them... looks pretty bad ass! 5.7×28mm (.224), 20 round mag (or an extended 30), 1800fps, low recoil, effective to 100m... seems like a pretty sweet package (though pretty spendy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/FN5701.jpg/800px-FN5701.jpg)
http://www.impactguns.com/fn-five-seven-usg-3-20rd-mags-3868929120-818513002509.aspx
Picked one up five years ago for $875 with 200 rounds of ammo. FN was running a promo at the time. Thing runs great, no recoil and a blast to shoot. Very loud. Have some pretty nasty rounds for it too 2500 fps.
co-worker has one. but has found it hard to find ammo
Hard to find indoor ranges around here that will allow it.
Picked one up five years ago for $875 with 200 rounds of ammo. FN was running a promo at the time. Thing runs great, no recoil and a blast to shoot. Very loud. Have some pretty nasty rounds for it too 2500 fps.
Tried search and didn't get any hits. Anyone own an FN Five Seven? Hadn't heard of them until I heard someone talking about them... looks pretty bad ass! 5.7×28mm (.224), 20 round mag (or an extended 30), 1800fps, low recoil, effective to 100m... seems like a pretty sweet package (though pretty spendy).Yep I own one and just love it. Got mine before they became better known due to the Fort Bragg shooting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/FN5701.jpg/800px-FN5701.jpg)
http://www.impactguns.com/fn-five-seven-usg-3-20rd-mags-3868929120-818513002509.aspx
Hard to find indoor ranges around here that will allow it.I have yet to have a range tell me I cant shoot it. They have told me I cant shoot the round in the rifle on the range but not the pistol.
I saw prices around .45 a round (for 2000 rounds), but now that I look again, most places are backordered until Jan. :nixweiss:
Interested in the Glock 36 for conceal carry. Single stack .45cal. 6+1. I love my G22 .40, but pretty bulky in the summer. During the summer I find myself carrying my Kel-Tec .380 in the front pocket a lot, but often worry if that's enough outside a very close up encounter? Any thoughts on this??
Interested in the Glock 36 for conceal carry. Single stack .45cal. 6+1. I love my G22 .40, but pretty bulky in the summer. During the summer I find myself carrying my Kel-Tec .380 in the front pocket a lot, but often worry if that's enough outside a very close up encounter? Any thoughts on this??
I still stand by two posts I made back in 2007 in this thread, Glock 36 :Thanks for the feed back. I was pretty much sold on the idea of the G36 so thanks VaEagle and the others for your thoughts! I have a Glock .40 and a 9mm both full size. Love em! Shoot great and easy to clean! But not real crazy about the feel of the compact models. The G36 will be my next carry gun!
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=16970.60
With the right ammo, a .380 can be quite effective. I've got a Sig P238 and carry Hornady Critical Defense in it. Decent penetration and consistant mushrooming, from the reviews I read.
Interested in the Glock 36 for conceal carry. Single stack .45cal. 6+1. I love my G22 .40, but pretty bulky in the summer. During the summer I find myself carrying my Kel-Tec .380 in the front pocket a lot, but often worry if that's enough outside a very close up encounter? Any thoughts on this??
I never leave home with out my Dan Wesson CCO, unless I take my Sig P238....Good looking gun!!
I never leave home with out my Dan Wesson CCO, unless I take my Sig P238....Very nice gun, I always liked Wessons CCO.
Just got this beauty and got my hands on 10 boxes of FN 5.7 x 28 !!!! miracle!!! :coolblue:
Just got this beauty and got my hands on 10 boxes of FN 5.7 x 28 !!!! miracle!!! :coolblue:
DD.....
Congratulations!! How long did you have to wait to get that 57 ?
I did not. started looking for it last week, called a local gun shop and they had one. Paid over the phone thursday picked it up today. Lucky me!!! :coolblue:
Just got this beauty and got my hands on 10 boxes of FN 5.7 x 28 !!!! miracle!!! :coolblue:
DD....You sir are lucky....have been waiting here for a couple of months.....however, I can't get a 20 mag only a 10........Waaaaaahhhh!!
I did not. started looking for it last week, called a local gun shop and they had one. Paid over the phone thursday picked it up today. Lucky me!!! :coolblue:
So you must carry an FFL to be this lucky so fast. :nixweiss:Nope. I had thought about getting one, but is not worth the hassle. Just got lucky this time . I looked over the internet budsgunshop, gun broker etc, could not get it. Called Gander, A1, army navy stores NADA. then Shoot Straight caselberry Fl, got one two days prior, sealed the deal over the phone. The gun did not make it to the shelf!!!
Yesterday November 01, 2012 was the first day that concealed permit holders could openly carry in the state of Oklahoma. Even though there are still some restrictions it looks like the old west is not back in full force. I have not seen anyone other than myself carrying openly the last two days. I purposely carried open just to test public perception of me and their reactions. I carried locally as well as out of town where I am not know. I did not notice any difference in the way I was treated either place. About 50% did not notice or just did not react. Those that did notice had varying responses from grabbing their kids and heading the other way, most at least mentioned it to their shopping companions. I did go into a new sporting goods store here and within 25 feet of entering the store on grand opening weekend had two security peeps trail me all over the store for about 45 minutes. Will I open carry all the time. NO. I want the element of surprise should the need arise for me to use my weapons(s) but am glad that I now have the choice since it is nearly impossible to completely conceal the outline of the weapon or keep you shirt tail or jacket from gaping open and allowing the weapon to be visible. Makes a more law abiding citizen out of me. 141,000 concealed carry holders in Oklahoma now have the right to carry openly. There may be some hope yet.good to know. ;) spyder
Yesterday November 01, 2012 was the first day that concealed permit holders could openly carry in the state of Oklahoma. Even though there are still some restrictions it looks like the old west is not back in full force. I have not seen anyone other than myself carrying openly the last two days. I purposely carried open just to test public perception of me and their reactions. I carried locally as well as out of town where I am not know. I did not notice any difference in the way I was treated either place. About 50% did not notice or just did not react. Those that did notice had varying responses from grabbing their kids and heading the other way, most at least mentioned it to their shopping companions. I did go into a new sporting goods store here and within 25 feet of entering the store on grand opening weekend had two security peeps trail me all over the store for about 45 minutes. Will I open carry all the time. NO. I want the element of surprise should the need arise for me to use my weapons(s) but am glad that I now have the choice since it is nearly impossible to completely conceal the outline of the weapon or keep you shirt tail or jacket from gaping open and allowing the weapon to be visible. Makes a more law abiding citizen out of me. 141,000 concealed carry holders in Oklahoma now have the right to carry openly. There may be some hope yet.
Most of em
Most of emAll at once??? ;D Just Kidding! Nice collection!!
Most of em
I wish we could do either open or concealed here... but that will likely NEVER happen. HI has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country.
Maybe I need to retire out of state and live somewhere there are more "freedoms".
Yesterday November 01, 2012 was the first day that concealed permit holders could openly carry in the state of Oklahoma. Even though there are still some restrictions it looks like the old west is not back in full force. I have not seen anyone other than myself carrying openly the last two days. I purposely carried open just to test public perception of me and their reactions. I carried locally as well as out of town where I am not know. I did not notice any difference in the way I was treated either place. About 50% did not notice or just did not react. Those that did notice had varying responses from grabbing their kids and heading the other way, most at least mentioned it to their shopping companions. I did go into a new sporting goods store here and within 25 feet of entering the store on grand opening weekend had two security peeps trail me all over the store for about 45 minutes. Will I open carry all the time. NO. I want the element of surprise should the need arise for me to use my weapons(s) but am glad that I now have the choice since it is nearly impossible to completely conceal the outline of the weapon or keep you shirt tail or jacket from gaping open and allowing the weapon to be visible. Makes a more law abiding citizen out of me. 141,000 concealed carry holders in Oklahoma now have the right to carry openly. There may be some hope yet.
The only value of a open carry provision is to avoid inadvertant printing hassles. Open carry makes you the absolute first target, usually by ambush, and totally undermines the element of surprise rendering you a sitting duck. There are a number a great holsters, crossbread, sparks, etc, that can do a very good job of comfortably concealing even a full sized 1911 with the right clothing, and can easily make a bobtailed Pro or Ultra disappear with the sheerest of shirts. I'm not sure what weapon you favor, but if you can sufficiently conceal a 1911, you can make easy work of the scores of polymers out there today. My .02 fwiw.
Very well said. I only openly carried for a couple of days to check out public perception and it was quite interesting to say the least. The printing statement you made has been my campaign point for quite a while.Hey Flash, how's the open carry going over there next door to me? Seen many doing it and what's the feed back like?
Hey Flash, how's the open carry going over there next door to me? Seen many doing it and what's the feed back like?
Woman pulls gun on flasher: 'I'm going to blow your brains out'
A Ruger .380.
By Jason White, NBC News
A flasher allegedly got more than he bargained for when he approached a woman at a lake in Washington state this week: a Ruger .380 pointing back at him.
“I put the magazine in my gun. I cocked it,” the woman told The Daily News online. “I said, ‘You need to leave or I’ll shoot you. I’m going to blow your brains out.’”
The gun reportedly had the intended effect.
“Oh, [expletive]!” the man declared, according to the paper, before running away.
The 35-year-old woman was at Lake Sacajawea in Longview, Wash., with her 6-year-old son and a dog Wednesday evening when the man approached, police confirmed to NBC News.
He allegedly sat down and began performing a sex act and said she should watch.
It was at that point that she pulled out her gun.
After the man ran away, she sent her dog, a Norwegian Buhund Hound, after him, police said. The dog cornered him, and when she called the dog back, the man disappeared into the darkness.
The alleged flasher is described as a “white male in his early 20s with short dark-blond hair and wearing a gray hoody and dark blue jeans,” the paper reported.
Detective Kyle Sahim said police are actively investigating the incident, including whether it is connected to another reported flashing in the area.
"Not a common event in Longview," Sahim said.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/16/15216903-woman-pulls-gun-on-flasher-im-going-to-blow-your-brains-out?lite
Good on her for protecting herself, but what's the point in carring if you don't already have the mag inserted and a round in the chamber? If this was a situation where she was in immediate danger, it wouldn't have done her much good!
Just noticed this was my post 1000! :bananarock:
I never leave home with out my Dan Wesson CCO, unless I take my Sig P238....Just saw this, CCO is a really fine looking pistol! Back in the day I had a Dan Wesson revolver that came with four different length interchangeable barrels.
I know a NH resident that has a "NH LTC concealed" and got caught in Mass with concealed carry without a Mass LTC ... and did 12 months in a Mass jail for it ... and if he fought it they told him they'd press for him to do in addition to 1 year for a concealed handgun loaded, and one more year for EACH round in the gun (10 more years)
This active state reciprocity map can help save your freedom ... (maybe most you guys have seen it)
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
Great example of while it sounds good to say, "'F' the police, I'll carry no matter what the law says!", when you get caught, I'm guessing it probably doesn't seem like it was a great idea!Exactly!!!! I live in one of the Red Neck Capitals of the world where I hear that all the time! One of my wife's customers is a ex-cop who recommended I get my CCL vs carrying because I think "it's my right??" He told me it would put an end to many a potential problem I my have with the wrong cop pulling me over. By wrong cop, I mean one not so understanding that I have a right to have a loaded .40 cal Glock in my truck! Glad I have it now! Funny too, I've had my permit about 2 years now and haven't been through a road block or pulled over since. :)
Great example of while it sounds good to say, "'F' the police, I'll carry no matter what the law says!", when you get caught, I'm guessing it probably doesn't seem like it was a great idea!
Just saw this, CCO is a really fine looking pistol! Back in the day I had a Dan Wesson revolver that came with four different length interchangeable barrels.
Just saw this, CCO is a really fine looking pistol! Back in the day I had a Dan Wesson revolver that came with four different length interchangeable barrels.
If you don't still have the DW pistol pack with the interchangeable barrels I'll bet you wished you did.Sweeeeeeet!!! I didn't get the package (sorry I didn't) but I do have the gun w/an 8" barrel. Fired maybe a box of rounds through it and been in the box ever since.
Did it look anything like this?
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16970.0;attach=228699;image)
If you don't still have the DW pistol pack with the interchangeable barrels I'll bet you wished you did.
Did it look anything like this?
Here in England hell you can't even carry "mace" if you did and got caught with it you got a fine.
" Hang on it git's better" being cough with it is one thing, but if your being attacked and you use it on the attacker
"YOU" the victim will be charged for assault causing (G.B.H.) grieves, bodily, harm, on the attacker. "The preps have more right". If a prep brakes in to your home at night when your asleep and you catch him and cause him harm you can go to jail then once you've been coveted, here comes the grand finally the prep cane sue you. We had a case here a while back. A farmers home had been robbed 3/4 times over, when he was not home, the authorities were dragging their heals.
Then it happened 3 preps broke in to the farmers house when he was at home he shot one with a scatter gun, the farmer got banged up for 5 yrs. How dose that figure. :nixweiss:
Fired00d:It's the DW .357. It isn't the "package" just the pistol only.
I've seen the wooden box, that's a nice presentation case. From what I've seen the pistol packs come in a few different configurations with the sized suitcase pictured, most .357 mag with four barrels. They also have a smaller, similar suitcases with just two barrels in .357 and .38, maybe others. I've also seen pistol packs in .44 mag, although I've never seen a .44 mag with a 2" (I think they call them 2.5") barrel in the pack, maybe yours is a .44 mag?
Anyone own or shot the FN 45 cal tactical. Saw a you tube video and thinking about adding to the full size other than a kimber.
BigLew
Sig 238 in .380. Just awesome!
Sig 238 in .380. Just awesome!
Double action S &W .38 special...Never jams, fit her small palm, knock down power, very concealable. As good as it gets.I bought my wife one of these also. It is a great gun. The one I have is a plus p. She does not like it that well though. I bought her a Bersa Thunder 380 a few years ago and she loves it. I carry the 38 sometimes myself. I have some FBI friends and they love S&W revolvers still. Never jam, always fires. Their Special operators still carry them.
Sig 238 in .380. Just awesome!
Matt take Suzy to a range and let her try different ones and see what feels good in her hands. Okay keep your minds out of the gutter ;D
Sig 238 in .380. Just awesome!Owned and shot about everything love the new Sig for a carry. might want something with a light for home use for her. But the 238 x4
All,
With all of this craziness going on these days, I'm in the market for a little protection for Suzy. As many of you know I travel quite a bit, and there have been break In's in my neighborhood. She has small hands and is about 125 lbs, any suggestions or help is appreciated. I'm thinking a small frame 9mm or a .380
Good point... and the sound of a round being racked in a shotgun in the dark is enough to tighten up your you know what. :shocked2:
Just MY opinion... I think your looking in the wrong direction if she is not gonna carry it at all times.
You can not go wrong with a good shot-gun for HOME DEFENSE ;) under pressure you don't want her to miss the
intruders. I know some detectives and most home invasions are done with teams of 3 or 4 and if you have some
Doped up thugs coming at you, You better be VERY GOOD with a little hand gun. When the Chit hits the fan,Fear
and adrenaline take over and your less likely as a (woman) to drop a shot-gun .
This is the gun I carry. The Kimber custom 45 ::)
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/8C7DCBD8-BD2B-48BA-A2AF-E71D60BCF98F-21680-00000602113BC3B7.jpg)
Another vote for the Sig P238. They also now have a Sig P938 (9mm). The 238 is, IMO, the perfect carry gun and is a dream to shoot. Not a single glitch in several hundred rounds shot through it. Easy to control, accurate as hell, and with the right round, will do sufficient damage to a bad guy. I haven't shot the 938 or even seen one, but it is just slightly larger. They are not cheap, but it's a quality piece if you like the 1911 "style".
Thats an Ultra CDP II isn't it? I have one for my Summer carry. Easier to conceal than my Les Baer Stinger which has the 4 1/4 barrel instead of the 3" on the CPD. Carry the Baer in the winter
That it is, lots of fun to shoot. Also the easiest 1911 style 45 to carry.
You are correct. This is the Ultra CDP ll and I really like the 3" barrel. Very accurate and fun to shoot.
Something similar, hides under the cover. Shotgun with low recoil slugs alternate with buckshot...
Ghost,
I hadn't thought about it but I think you may be on to something. The only problem that I see is how the heck do you get that into the freakin' nightstand. I've got my neices and nephews running around, how do you explain a 12 ga by Auntie Suzy's bed? Any thoughts?? Maybe a light shade?
_Beags
Something similar, hides under the cover. Shotgun with low recoil slugs alternate with buckshot...
I was issued my first sidearm at 18... Have not been unarmed since. I carry a 4" taurus 5 shot 44 mag CONCEALED! currently. Have shot 2 deer at between 80 and 95 steps with this pistol. Headshots on b-27's at 50 are no prob... Yes reloads are slow. Speedloaders help. 180 xtp @ 1500fps limits number of shots needed on deer, elk, bear and barmints of all kind.I usually go very few places I can't carry. Sometimes I break the law in lieu of protecting myself and my family. Freedom has costs.
All,GLOCK 19
With all of this craziness going on these days, I'm in the market for a little protection for Suzy. As many of you know I travel quite a bit, and there have been break In's in my neighborhood. She has small hands and is about 125 lbs, any suggestions or help is appreciated. I'm thinking a small frame 9mm or a .380
Just got off the range,
Suzy liked the Glock 19 (with some options) and also liked the Legacy Escort M/P TAC 12 GA semi auto.... she gets both, let's face it.....a good chick is hard to find and she certainly knows what to do with hard things......... :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
I'm kinda looking forward to playing with the shot gun, the Glock may be fun for a shoot or two. Thanks to all for the input.
Happy holidays,
_Beags
Just got off the range,Nice. I carry a 19 at work. It is a nice, maintenance easy gun.
Suzy liked the Glock 19 (with some options) and also liked the Legacy Escort M/P TAC 12 GA semi auto.... she gets both, let's face it.....a good chick is hard to find and she certainly knows what to do with hard things......... :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
I'm kinda looking forward to playing with the shot gun, the Glock may be fun for a shoot or two. Thanks to all for the input.
Happy holidays,
_Beags
Sure glad I can walk in buy a gun or five and take it home in ten minutes.Yes, me too...........my only problem is affording the inflated prices now. :-[ spyder
Yes, me too...........my only problem is affording the inflated prices now. :-[ spyderThe prices sure have gone nuts. Large cap mags are sold out every where.
I, We don't need large cap mags, I just want her to be able to knock down some swinging dick that may come through the front door. I live in a pretty nice piece of San Diego, but there have been break-in's reported. I want this place like one of those roach motels, you can check in.....but you can't check out. Suzy certainly has the guts to use whatever she had been trained with, Oh, did I mention that my brother-in-law was a gunny in the USMC (I call him Dirty Hanky, Makes Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon look like a pussy). Really, put his .45 in his hand and he'll shoot the asshole out of a flea at 100 yards.
_Beags
LMAO.......
I have found strange socks under my side of the bed though!!!! ;D ;D
I can trust Suzy with my life, otherwise I'd never go out and get her a bunch of weapons (holy crap, I hope I'm right)
_Beags
Been playing with different Inside the Waistband options and have had favorable results using crossbreed holsters. Very nice with glock 19, 17, and 34. It's amazing what can be concealed comfortably with the right holster.What about pant sizes and keeping your pants up? ;D Any problems with those kind of holsters?
You do have to wear a belt! LOL Doesn't hurt to have it tight either! In my more exciting past I carried TWO glock 20's and 2-15 round mags in the small of the back almost daily for about 3 years. Nice 1 3/4" belt no issue...A good 'thick' belt makes all the difference in holding the weight in place w/o sagging. ;) spyder
I am 5'11" 225 and I can conceal a 2 full size four and a half inch glocks or 2 five inch 1911's with the right holster(s) and still have room to conceal 2-4 mags!
A Sweatshirt, polo shirt, hawaiian shirt tucked in or outside and you can't tell without being EXTREMELY observant.
Almost any man or woman can conceal a compact 9mm or a snub revolver without any problem or change in clothing and style.
You do have to wear a belt! LOL Doesn't hurt to have it tight either! In my more exciting past I carried TWO glock 20's and 2-15 round mags in the small of the back almost daily for about 3 years. Nice 1 3/4" belt no issue...Ha, I do wear a belt. I'm 6ft 240. Beer Belly got a little bigger since I've been unemployed, but thats about to change first of the year. Starting a new job! That will slow the calorie intake!! Right now it's hard enough to button my pants much less put a G22 in there! ;D Hoping to buy a G36 this year for CC. That and lose about 20, I should be ready for summer!! :2vrolijk_21:
I am 5'11" 225 and I can conceal a 2 full size four and a half inch glocks or 2 five inch 1911's with the right holster(s) and still have room to conceal 2-4 mags!
A Sweatshirt, polo shirt, hawaiian shirt tucked in or outside and you can't tell without being EXTREMELY observant.
Almost any man or woman can conceal a compact 9mm or a snub revolver without any problem or change in clothing and style.
They do not make pants for women that will work with a waistband holster. :'(. Trust me.., you are lucky if they have front pockets big enough to hold a quarter. :-\. Most of our pant's sit 4" below the waist, so by the time you attach your holster to your belt, your pistol is hanging to your knee's. :o. I struggle trying to find jeans that work with my holster/pistol.
I guess you could use this method in a pinch?....... :huepfenlol2:That's my goofy neighbor!!!!!!! Well, not really, but I think he'd do something like that!! ;D
I guess you could use this method in a pinch?....... :huepfenlol2::ROFLOL: I'm saving that pic and passing it on. :2vrolijk_21:
I guess you could use this method in a pinch?....... :huepfenlol2:
They do make a lot of great purses, but that is not practical when you are riding on your MC :P
I guess you could use this method in a pinch?....... :huepfenlol2:
Depends on whether you want to carry 'cross-draw' or strong-side. ;D har. spyder
Does one use the left flip flop or the right :nixweiss: (That would be the blond on eBay asking :'()
They do not make pants for women that will work with a waistband holster. :'(. Trust me.., you are lucky if they have front pockets big enough to hold a quarter. :-\. Most of our pant's sit 4" below the waist, so by the time you attach your holster to your belt, your pistol is hanging to your knee's. :o. I struggle trying to find jeans that work with my holster/pistol.
you could always try these http://www.thunderwear.com
"you could always try these http://www.thunderwear.com"
Not to sound like a grownup from a Christmas Story but "Don't get that you may shoot your junk off!"
:huepfenlol2:
GLock Saf-T-Blok http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=396&action=show_detail
prevents Plaxico
WOW! I really like the clipdraw. It looks like it works with 1911's. I'm thinking it would work on my 3" Ultra CDP Kimber. What do you think? :nixweiss:
Judi...the site shows the clipdraw fitting 1911's, both standard frame and Commander. Also shows another part number for the Officer's model, the Colt Defender, and Compact. Very nice, and inexpensive too!
Well, a 1911 standard frame or Commander might not fit mine but maybe a compact. I guess I will have to investigate into this more. Will it fit your pistol Terry? It is a pretty cool item. :2vrolijk_21:
WOW! I really like the clipdraw. It looks like it works with 1911's. I'm thinking it would work on my 3" Ultra CDP Kimber. What do you think? :nixweiss:
Picked up this nice little Browning 1911 22 LR A1 yesterday. Put about 100 rounds through it and it is one sweet pistol. Couldn't be happier.
Picked up this nice little Browning 1911 22 LR A1 yesterday. Put about 100 rounds through it and it is one sweet pistol. Couldn't be happier.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/CC71B7FE-8AAB-4A5F-B665-2BCDE270D6A2-3821-000004F354EF77CF.jpg)
I want one of those!! They are kinda hard to find though...
They are very hard to find Terry. I walked into Bass Pro on Saturday and they had this pistol in the case. I couldn't believe my eyes! Walked out with it under my arm and went to my brothers in the country target shooting. Very accurate and a blast to shoot. ::)
Now here is a beauty Browning High Power - Not mine, but i can dream :2vrolijk_21: Very similar to the 22
BEAUTIFUL. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Your's could like like that :P but i think you would have a hard time finding a good gunsmith artist that will do it cheap. :'(
This pistol didn't come from the factory with this engraving :nixweiss:
Yes they did back in the day. Here are some for sale, even a three caliber gun set :
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Browning-Belgium-Renaissance-Pistols-For-Sale-on-GunsInternational-com-Gun-Classifieds-Online.cfm?cat_id=1233
Just added this today......
North American Arms .22 Magnum
Should park comfortably in the inside pocket of my riding jacket
Well, i just learned something new.. I thought these were custom done by some really good gunsmith artist. The factory option make this a very desirable Browning High Power ... I want one :2vrolijk_21: CVOGirl, this would be awesome gun for your collection :2vrolijk_21:
This would be a must have for my collection! I would also like to add an STI Total Eclipse 45. Does anyone have one. :nixweiss:
Something similar, hides under the cover. Shotgun with low recoil slugs alternate with buckshot...
Anybody modded a 20 gauge 870? Have one that I butchered when I was a kid, but now want it to be something fun for my girl to shoot, also a nightstand gun for her. Receiver is still good. Thinking about an 18" barrel and a +2 extender. Switch out the wooden pump with some polymer, but cant decide on stock. Standard polymer, pistol grip with shoulder stock, retractable, side fold, fold over. Its been a process to even find this stuff for a 20 but I did. Now I'm just not sure about what style and brand of furniture. She has no input. So wondering if any of you have tooled around and could either recommend or advise to stay away from any particular style or manufacturer. Thanks
Pete, I haven't done it yet, but I did talk to the this guy about building an 870 20. Problem with the 20 is the popular accessories don't fit, as you found out.
http://www.aiptactical.com/
This shop will make an 870 20 that takes the 12 accessories.
He only works on Remington shottys so he made be a good resource for you. Will also work on your shotgun.
My build was to start out as youth model for the shorter stock, but they can adapt several of the adjustable stocks to the fit the 20.
This is my new baby... That I will be carrying with me... Sig p938 9 mm(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/10/bu5aqy6a.jpg)
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Let us know how it shoots...I have the P238. Good looking weapon...My wife carries the P238, we both like the way it shoots.
My wife carries the P238, we both like the way it shoots.
I have been wanting to get a P938 for me to carry in the summer.
I have been looking for several months for a P938, and the one pictured is the one I want.
My wife carries the P238, we both like the way it shoots.
I have been wanting to get a P938 for me to carry in the summer.
I have been looking for several months for a P938, and the one pictured is the one I want.
Ruger lcr in .38 spc...nice light carry, DA.
If you can't kill em with 5 of those you need a machine gun.
yes, a very nice piece. Also not available in MA however.
yes, a very nice piece. Also not available in MA however.
Da JUDGE ................... ;)That .410's got a kick to it!! Bad news at close range!!
John
That .410's got a kick to it!! Bad news at close range!!
I've been following this topic for a while and learned lots of good info. I'm looking at a Sig P238 and options for concealed carry. For those who carry, what's your preferred location... pocket, ankle, IWB? I'm kind of leaning toward pocket carry with something like a Uncle Mike's holster.Whatever is comfortable to/for you and you will consistently wear. The main/most important thing is it is easy to access, is consistently in the same location so you don't have to think about whether it is in this place or that. Next is practice, practice, practice drawing, aiming, and firing. And if you really want a challenge try some night shooting... you will really appreciate night sights after that.
My brother Gordy picked up two very nice oldies yesterday from an older retired AF military gent he meet at a VFW function. The old fart told my brother that his days are numbered and he simply wanted to get his small collection to someone that would appreciate them.. Well, my brother Gordy is mighty proud and he'll take good care of these two fine pieces.
Whatever is comfortable to/for you and you will consistently wear. The main/most important thing is it is easy to access, is consistently in the same location so you don't have to think about whether it is in this place or that. Next is practice, practice, practice drawing, aiming, and firing. And if you really want a challenge try some night shooting... you will really appreciate night sights after that.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Whatever is comfortable to/for you and you will consistently wear. The main/most important thing is it is easy to access, is consistently in the same location so you don't have to think about whether it is in this place or that. Next is practice, practice, practice drawing, aiming, and firing. And if you really want a challenge try some night shooting... you will really appreciate night sights after that.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I'm sure that "old fart" served our country in his day. I would thank him for his time, effort and dedication to our country. I would be proud to own those guns because of who owned them in addition to the model they are. Just my honest opinion. Congrats on the acquisition.
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FWIW-
Here In Columbus, just about all of the 380's and 9mm have been bought up. You can still easily find 40 and 45's..
Some gun only stores don't even have time to answer the phone. 1000 rounds of 40 target ammo was $400.. All of the high capacity rifles are bought up.
Around Sacramento just the opposite, .40 and .45 are off the shelfs, along with .223, 308's and 30/06. .380 and 9mm are plentiful. High Capacity rifles are long gone. Gun stores are actually calling customers they know that have them offering buy backs at twice they paid. I was called from a gun store with a double my money back offer for one of my AR-10's... Very tempting offer and still thinking about it.. :nixweiss:
Whatever is comfortable to/for you and you will consistently wear. The main/most important thing is it is easy to access, is consistently in the same location so you don't have to think about whether it is in this place or that. Next is practice, practice, practice drawing, aiming, and firing. And if you really want a challenge try some night shooting... you will really appreciate night sights after that.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Another challenge would be to fire your weapon (accurately) with your off hand. What if your dominant hand/arm is compromised could you still defend yourself. This is a requirement for my qualification level here in Oklahoma.
Anyone had any experience with a H&K P30(L) in 9MM?? Other than they cost a lot.
This is what I use for the C3. Brigade Leather M-11 Custom
That is a SWEET holster!!! I have been on a waiting list for almost a year for one. I think it's gettin close :nixweiss:
Anyone had any experience with a H&K P30(L) in 9MM?? Other than they cost a lot.
Another blast from the past is this Pre ‘77 S&W M66. External mods are a magnaported barrel, tritium night sights, which are now dead of course, and a set of custom grips.
The night sights were pretty damn trick in their day; just like that clean low mileage ’76 FXE in the garage…sucks to get old!
Just purchased a 25 cal Colt Auto from a relative and went to my local Sportsman Warehouse to purchase some .25 rounds. It's been about 3 weeks since I was last there and within those 3 weeks Sportsman Warehouse became bone dry on particularly every ammo round with exception of some Hot Hunting rounds. And whatever they do have in stock, cost has Trippled. They had plenty of reloaders on shelves but short on bullets needed to complete a round. In talking with one of the floor mangers about this shortage, he said they are now bone dry on ammo and they have no idea when normal ammo flow will begin because our government now has priority on future ammo purchases. What?? I ask!, he responded, go home and Google "government purchasing ammo" . OK I did... And it seems he is 100% correct. - I don't want to start a rant on this subject but I do suggest you Google what I did... Please keep opinions off this board as it will get nicked real quick, but just read what you Google and stay informed. :2vrolijk_21:
it's a joke I would never buy a gun at this time pricing is way too high wait it out and there will be a lot of people sell the guns cheap when they need cash.
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Da JUDGE ................... ;)
John
It's not as bad as you think.
This was my first new gun purchase. I bought it in 1975 and it is still my favorite wheel gun. It’s not something that you are going to stuff in your waistband, but it’s the easiest handgun to shoot that I own.What a beauty! I look at them and lust after one, but the prices just keep going up, up, and up. Doesn't take a mass shooting to make these babies in that beautiful royal blue shoot up in value. Thanks for posting djkak. spyder
This was my first new gun purchase. I bought it in 1975 and it is still my favorite wheel gun. It’s not something that you are going to stuff in your waistband, but it’s the easiest handgun to shoot that I own.I still have my first good hand gun purchase from the late 80's. It's a Ruger GP-100 357 Mag. Stainless, 6in barrel. Love it too!! My Ruger .44 Mag is pretty sweet too!!
What a beauty! I look at them and lust after one, but the prices just keep going up, up, and up. Doesn't take a mass shooting to make these babies in that beautiful royal blue shoot up in value. Thanks for posting djkak. spyder
I still have my first good hand gun purchase from the late 80's. It's a Ruger GP-100 357 Mag. Stainless, 6in barrel. Love it too!! My Ruger .44 Mag is pretty sweet too!!
Let's have a peek at them!I agree, ever time I try to download pics I get info that says file is to large, from my camera I guess? I'll see if I can adjust the camera for a new picture. Just like the higher quality pics setting better.
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I agree, ever time I try to download pics I get info that says file is to large, from my camera I guess? I'll see if I can adjust the camera for a new picture. Just like the higher quality pics setting better.My Wheel Guns!
My Wheel Guns!It worked!! :pepper: Finally posted a picture! Look out now!! ;D
Kenny, if you are using windows and saving your pictures on your PC, the fastest easiest way may be to find your picture, right click "open with" and select "Microsoft Office & Picture Manager".Thanks Duane, I'll try that.
Under the picture menu select "re-size" pick a number 1024 x 768 works good here and then save - "save as" if you want to keep the original untouched.
Thanks Duane, I'll try that.Duane, I tried the resize suggestion on my profile picture and lost the one I had. Can't seem to get the picture to go in??
Duane, I tried the resize suggestion on my profile picture and lost the one I had. Can't seem to get the picture to go in??Update: I got it figured out!! Thanks for your help Duane!!
My Wheel Guns!
This was my second new handgun purchase in 1976, a nickel M29-2.My Dad has one of those Bad Boys!! With a 6" barrel I think!
After I caught the fever, a local Dealer made my day and helped me get the cure. As I remember back then, the market for these was pretty hot!
Where did you get that Laser Site for that, I have the same gun I like to pick one up.
My Dad has one of those Bad Boys!! With a 6" barrel I think!:2vrolijk_21:
Got it directly from North American Arms. $99
:2vrolijk_21:Sure!! :)
Anyone wanna see some sweet pics of my Oldsmobile 98? :D
I haven't shot my .22 mag often and still have a box of ammo for it. I also have 1000 rds of .22lr laying around and was wondering, is it ok to shoot this in magnum revolver? I would normally think no problem, but while looking at NAA website I see that they sell mag guns with optional different wheel for shooting LR.
Anyone know?
I don't carry this one yet, but check this out:
Double-barrel 1911 lands ATF approval, importation to begin in 2013......
Looking at a western style gunbelt/holster. I've checked some different suppliers on-line and they all seem to be made for 44 or 45 cal standard frame revolvers. Has anyone used this type of rig for a modern wide frame revolver ?
Looking at a western style gunbelt/holster. I've checked some different suppliers on-line and they all seem to be made for 44 or 45 cal standard frame revolvers. Has anyone used this type of rig for a modern wide frame revolver ?
What is the best holster for conceal and carry for a Glock 27. I'm a realtor and want to hide it as much a possible.
What is the best holster for conceal and carry for a Glock 27. I'm a realtor and want to hide it as much a possible.
Added a Glock 32C .357 sig to my collection.
I heard bad things about the Springfield Serbian 45.
Well, if I had any, but I don't, because they are bad.
The sig 220I picked up in 2011I would have is alot smoother and eaiser
Of course this could be just bullchit, guns scare me and I don't have any.
Yes, especially where it is hot and humid...the LCP would be my preferred carry down here, I hear tell it fits in the front pocket nice..small cal but I would not one in the belly from it... ;)
Those with Kimber Ultras for a year or two now. Fire more then 500 rounds through it?
Can you shoot a box or two comfortably and still want to shoot more?
I have been trying to get a Springfield XDs locally but the pricing is either just ridiculous or they are not available.
There are 2 Kimber's at a local GS that are nearly unused that I am now considering.
Thought the attached picture was appropriate for this thread. ;D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Thought the attached picture was appropriate for this thread. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Those with Kimber Ultras for a year or two now. Fire more then 500 rounds through it?
Can you shoot a box or two comfortably and still want to shoot more?
I have been trying to get a Springfield XDs locally but the pricing is either just ridiculous or they are not available.
There are 2 Kimber's at a local GS that are nearly unused that I am now considering.
I have a Kimber Ultra CDP. I have 1600 round of FMJ 230 grain through it. I have another 180 rounds of 230 +P hollow point through it. Became much more reliable after the first 300 rounds. I have put 100 through it in a day. My wife has put 50 through it in a day.
I was expecting it to be harder on the hand than it is, especially being short 3" barrel, short officers grip, and light aluminum. Rather nice to shoot, pretty accurate at self defense distances. No problem 21 to 30 feet out hitting bulls eye on human silhouette.
I have a Kimber Ultra CDP. I have 1600 round of FMJ 230 grain through it. I have another 180 rounds of 230 +P hollow point through it. Became much more reliable after the first 300 rounds. I have put 100 through it in a day. My wife has put 50 through it in a day.I have the same Kimber. Mine did shoot much better the more I shot it. It is a tack driver at short distance. I love it. When not at work, I carry it all the time. I carry a Glock 19 at work. It is a good gun too, but I love my Kimber.
I was expecting it to be harder on the hand than it is, especially being short 3" barrel, short officers grip, and light aluminum. Rather nice to shoot, pretty accurate at self defense distances. No problem 21 to 30 feet out hitting bulls eye on human silhouette.
Looking for a good quality pistol vault for under my seat of my truck (with a cable). What brands have worked for you guys?
Here's some questions to see what's popular these days
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ? I have both and have carried both at the same time.
2) 357 or 44 ? The wheel gun is 38.
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ? The semi auto is 357sig
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ? Bolt
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ? Pump
Here's some questions to see what's popular these days
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ?
2) 357 or 44 ?
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ?
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ?
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ?
If I buy anything else it will be a drone killer. Not sure what that would take but it seems like something we may need.
SBB
Here's some questions to see what's popular these daysMy choices above!!
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ? .40 Glock for hip......380 for pocket
2) 357 or 44 ? .44 Redhawk
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ? Got all three!! Love the .40 bestest! .45 close second....the 9's the wifes
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ? Bolt usually
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ? Remington 11-87, 12 gauge semi
I do have a Desert Eagle 50 if you like big cal.
As far as revolvers go for hunting I have a S&W 500 (.50 cal)revolver with a scope.
Gawd Rog, those have gotta weigh something
I posed the questions because a friend out here in SoCal was saying nobody carres revolvers anymore. It's all about weight blah blah blah, so I thought I'd see what others were thinking. The issue on lever/bolt came about after watching a episode of Wild West Alaska in which they were designing and building a new and improved lever action rifle
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Not saying I actually have any of these, but...
I would not carry a revolver... takes far too long to reload. Better to carry a .40 cal S&W Chief's Special semi-auto
I respectfully disagree. The SW40 has about as much punch as a 12yr old girl (in my opinion)
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Here's some questions to see what's popular these days
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ?
2) 357 or 44 ?
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ?
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ?
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ?
To each their own. A 180 grain .40 cal hollow point has plenty of takedown power. And will do a lot of damage on the way through. It ain't a .44 nor .45 ACP though.
Here's some questions to see what's popular these days1) Semi
1) Revolver or Semi-auto pistol ?
2) 357 or 44 ?
3) 9mm, 40cal or 45 ?
4) Bolt action or lever action rifle ?
5) Pump or semi-auto shotgun ?
I couldn't put a hole in a 20lb propane cylinder with an SW40. An Colt 45 went through nice and clean and left a hole the size of a grapefruit on the opposite side. 44 magnum even bigger on the opposite side. All three using hollowpoints I figure living in the woods if somebody's breakin into my barn I may be shooting at them through the side of a pickup. And I'm not concerned whether or not it's self defense. I'm shooting to punch their engine and then hold em for the cops at that point. My problem isn't people wanting to kill me, it's people wanting to steal from me.
Hard to argue with real test results!
I plan to upgrade to a compact .45 ACP at some point... But I am more concerned with self defense than some one stealing from me. Not many crooks out on the street are wearing armor like a propane tank, and the .40 cal has no problem penetrating bodies. Plus, I just want the round to go through the bad guy and then stop before going through a wall, a car, and someone else!
We live at the very end of a very long cul-de-sac that most people don't even know is there, and most people would not know my driveway is even there either. You can even see my house from the road. We have 8 acres of thick woods, and our house is down a long winding 500' driveway from the street. Someone would have to be working really hard to know our house is even here, much less get to it... and the dogs will let me know they are coming long before they can even see anything. I'll be ready for 'em... I pretty much always carry on my property, too. Didn't used to, but I do now.
Ken
I couldn't put a hole in a 20lb propane cylinder with an SW40. An Colt 45 went through nice and clean and left a hole the size of a grapefruit on the opposite side. 44 magnum even bigger on the opposite side. All three using hollowpoints I figure living in the woods if somebody's breakin into my barn I may be shooting at them through the side of a pickup. And I'm not concerned whether or not it's self defense. I'm shooting to punch their engine and then hold em for the cops at that point. My problem isn't people wanting to kill me, it's people wanting to steal from me.
If you need to punch through metal then these are the rounds to get:
http://www.hornady.com/store/40-S-and-W-175-gr-FlexLock-Critical-DUTY/
They were designed for the FBI to penetrate cars doors and windshields.
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And I'm not concerned whether or not it's self defense. I'm shooting to punch their engine and then hold em for the cops at that point. My problem isn't people wanting to kill me, it's people wanting to steal from me.
My newest toy!
Nighthawk Custom Predator
The CVO of 1911's!
Those Nighthawks are sweet. Right on par with my Kimber ......
Those Nighthawks are sweet. Right on par with my Kimber Custom II 1911 full frame but for a CW I prefer my Kimber Super Carry or G23.
You ever shoot a Nighthawk?
I think he meant Wilson Combat. ;)
I think he meant Wilson Combat. ;)
Nice guns!
:2vrolijk_21:
Those Nighthawks are sweet. Right on par with my Kimber Custom II 1911 full frame but for a CW I prefer my Kimber Super Carry or G23.
:nixweiss: how's that :nixweiss:Exactly.
Must add that I think the NH is a great full size 1911 but I'd argue perhaps none of their .45's are "compact"/ideal for carry as compared to an Springfield XDS or as mentioned below a Kimber Custom UCDP II--especially when you compare weight & capacity between these 3. Having said that, I have a number of full size high capacity .45's (e.g. Springfield XDM; FNH FNX Tactical; Charles Daly; HK USP; etc) stationed throughout my home as well as in my vehicles for defense/backup to my carry weapons. :2vrolijk_21: JMHO & 2-cents worth...Cheers, Moose
I would suggest that if you're looking for a good compact sized carry, get yourself a S&W Shield instead of the Bodyguards. With the larger mag, it fits the had well, and the 9MM, has way more stopping power than the .380 (AKA 9MM short) or .38. The Shield is the only carry gun I've considered other than my preferred 1911 Ultra/Pro which can get a little heavy after a while.
I highly recommend the S&W Shield too! Finest 9MM carry pistol (for the money) IMO. Can't go wrong with the Shield!
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766382_-1_757893_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
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It appears to be two models of the gun above.
One is the regular and the other is MA compliant.
What is the difference between those two?
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SBB
heavier trigger pull
For the MA?
Chip, as others have stated the HK45C and Springfield XDS 45 are great carry guns but if you're stuck on a wheel gun check out the S&W 340PD. Barrel length is the same as the Bodyguard but overall length is shorter and it's THREE ounces lighter. Frame is made of scandium alloy and cylinder is titanium alloy. Fiber optic sight.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764939_-1_757768_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
When riding I have a HK Compact 45 USP on the hip. Concealed, I carry a Colt Mustang 380.
Doesn't MA also have to have a loaded chamber indicator?
not sure
Doesn't MA also have to have a loaded chamber indicator?
I think the H&K is the finest handgun I have ever fired. I had a P30 and I loved it, but the handle was too long for carry and the gun was heavy with a full clip, I ended up trading it in on the S&W Shield for carry purposes.
Oh my.....
Actually I think that was Charlton Heston's collection
You can only see about half of it in this picture! There was also a range right off that room-vault. A wall full of real Thompsons, a wall full of real BAR's...oh my!
Isn't compact 45 a oxymoron?
I've never had any issues carrying my Custom Shop Kimber Stainless Covert in .45ACP. It has the officers size frame with a combat commander size slide, single stack magazine holds 7 rounds. Loaded with Cor-Bon 230 grain pre-fragmented jacketed hollow points with +P powder load, it can get just a little heavy on the hip by the end of the day. However, for concealment purposes, it hides very well under a loose T-shirt. I took off the ambidextrous thumb safety and put on the single thumb safety because almost every holster I tried would undo the left handed safety and that scared me some. Also installed the "memory" grip safety and an arched main spring housing to better fit the palm of my hand. Been considering the Crimson Trace Laser grips but really don't want to get where I'm relying on a red dot to aim. Kinda wished I had gone with a model with an aluminum frame to reduce the overall weight a little but the stainless frame doesn't add too much difference in weight.
I've never had any issues carrying my Custom Shop Kimber Stainless Covert in .45ACP. It has the officers size frame with a combat commander size slide, single stack magazine holds 7 rounds. Loaded with Cor-Bon 230 grain pre-fragmented jacketed hollow points with +P powder load, it can get just a little heavy on the hip by the end of the day. However, for concealment purposes, it hides very well under a loose T-shirt. I took off the ambidextrous thumb safety and put on the single thumb safety because almost every holster I tried would undo the left handed safety and that scared me some. Also installed the "memory" grip safety and an arched main spring housing to better fit the palm of my hand. Been considering the Crimson Trace Laser grips but really don't want to get where I'm relying on a red dot to aim. Kinda wished I had gone with a model with an aluminum frame to reduce the overall weight a little but the stainless frame doesn't add too much difference in weight.You'd be surprised how a few ounces less w/ the light-weight frame makes a difference when carrying all day.....but, not enough to give up the .45 for smaller caliber. Everything is a 'compromise', isn't it?
You'd be surprised how a few ounces less w/ the light-weight frame makes a difference when carrying all day.....but, not enough to give up the .45 for smaller caliber. Everything is a 'compromise', isn't it?
A handgun is a compromise, a rifle is to large to carry :2vrolijk_21:Definitely, easier......buy, my Dad rode his '39 Knucklehead back and forth across the USA & Mexico with a shotgun in a scabbard on the front forks/handlebar. Back when. ;) har. spyder
Nice pistol :2vrolijk_21:
I really like my Kimber
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/86A0DC09-BB46-48A4-AED8-A7D5912DCB1B-19839-000005602882D995.jpg)
XDS
My XDS is in a box and going to FedEx today for the recall.Do you know what the criteria is for the bonus mag being awarded?
SA just announced the repair is good to go and they have parts. And some will be getting a free 7 round mag with extension as a bonus.
Do you know what the criteria is for the bonus mag being awarded?
No criteria listed. It may be just for those that sent the items in when first announced and then they all sat on the shelf while SA made sure it worked.Was just wondering, 'cause Rabbi sent his in before MV and is still waiting. Maybe he'll get a free mag out of it. har. spyder
Was just wondering, 'cause Rabbi sent his in before MV and is still waiting. Maybe he'll get a free mag out of it. har. spyder
My XDS is in a box and going to FedEx today for the recall.
SA just announced the repair is good to go and they have parts. And some will be getting a free 7 round mag with extension as a bonus.
So, I assume you guys like your XDS pieces? I carry a .40 cal S&W Chief's Special (CS40) that is fairly easy to conceal and has a safety/decocker - but I really like the XDS and would like to move up to a .45 ACP "big boy" gun...Yes, it's a nice little gun. It's a bit unwieldy as a range gun, but it wan't designed to be.
Word is they are expecting to begin shipping back to customers on Oct 21.
Yes, it's a nice little gun. It's a bit unwieldy as a range gun, but it wan't designed to be.
Now that they have a fix, I guess I need to send mine back.
Was just wondering, 'cause Rabbi sent his in before MV and is still waiting. Maybe he'll get a free mag out of it. har. spyder
What do you mean when you say it's unwieldy as a range gun? Is it difficult to see down the sights?
Ken, Sights are good.
Unwieldy as in the 45 is a lot of pop for the small frame. The XDS is squared off much like the Walther PPS, and that can make for an uncomfortable grip for putting a lot of rounds downrange at the range.
Yeah, you need to. There are probably quite a few people in line ahead of you though!Probably. I'm in Maryland though, so it's not like I can carry here. It's only an issue when I'm out of state, and I don't have any trips planned in the near future.
What do you mean when you say it's unwieldy as a range gun? Is it difficult to see down the sights?Sights are actually decent , even though the sight radius is so short. The issue for me is the grip size and texture. With the standard magazine fitted, my ring finger is half off the pistol. On top of that, the pattern in the grip tears into my hand. I've solved that problem with a Talon grip. I will say that the little frame does an excellent job with the recoil, though with the above mentioned issues it's more of a problem. With the extended magazine and the Talon grip, it's a great-handling little pistol, though you lose concealability then. And, of course, you should practice with it the way you plan on carrying it.
Probably. I'm in Maryland though, so it's not like I can carry here. It's only an issue when I'm out of state, and I don't have any trips planned in the near future.
Sights are actually decent , even though the sight radius is so short. The issue for me is the grip size and texture. With the standard magazine fitted, my ring finger is half off the pistol. On top of that, the pattern in the grip tears into my hand. I've solved that problem with a Talon grip. I will say that the little frame does an excellent job with the recoil, though with the above mentioned issues it's more of a problem. With the extended magazine and the Talon grip, it's a great-handling little pistol, though you lose concealability then. And, of course, you should practice with it the way you plan on carrying it.
So if I was planning on burning up 300 rounds of .45 ACP at the range, this isn't the pistol I'd grab out of the safe.
Gotcha, Train. Thanks for the feedback. I still want to get one of these little beauties. I would shoot enough rounds through it to get proficient at it, but not anywhere near 300 in a day! I don't think I'd want to shoot 300 .45 ACP rounds in a day with ANY gun other a 1911 or a P220!Exactly. After the "getting to know you" range session, I run a magazine or two through just to stay proficient.
AHHH... Gotcha, Duane. Thanks.
I have a friend who has an XDS .45, and he expects it back soon from the recall. He has offered to let me shoot it, and I intend to take him up on the offer. I have held it, and it's a sweet piece!
I don't think I'd want to shoot 300 .45 ACP rounds in a day with ANY gun other a 1911 or a P220!
Ken
I have two of these pistols and I'm interested in selling this one. What is it worth? :nixweiss:Sweet looking heater! Decide on your selling price while I ponder on buying it, let me know. Thanks Arland
Kimber Ultra CDP ll 45
Bought May 2012
Has only had 50 rounds put through it. Paid $1,387.00 included the taxes.
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I go to the range frequently, and usually put 200~300 rounds of 230 grain .45 ACP down range though the various 1911's I own. Not bad in a well balanced 1911 at all. Usually shoot another 50 rounds in my FN5.7 and 100 in my 1911-22lr, then 50 rounds in my 40S&W XD.Totally agree. I can shoot my 5" Springfield Loaded or my 4.25" R1 all day long without issue. The XDs gets a mag or two for proficiency and that's it.
The XD is the one that has the sharpest recoil, bites even more than my 3" barrel 1911. The 5" 1911s are the most fun to shoot.
I have two of these pistols and I'm interested in selling this one. What is it worth? :nixweiss:Two? You must be lucky!
Kimber Ultra CDP ll 45
Bought May 2012
Has only had 50 rounds put through it. Paid $1,387.00 included the taxes.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/86A0DC09-BB46-48A4-AED8-A7D5912DCB1B-19839-000005602882D995.jpg)
Two? You must be lucky!
I really love my Kimber SIS "full size with rail". You could sell it to a fellow Kimber owner for like $50. ;D :huepfenlol2:
I have two of these pistols and I'm interested in selling this one. What is it worth? :nixweiss:
Kimber Ultra CDP ll 45
In my area most of the used Kimber's seem to be going between 800-1000
Was just at my local dealer (neighbor works out of his basement) looking at a couple of Kimber's he has. Although he doesn't currently have the CDP most of his new K's usually are under 1K.
You blew his cover Duane, now the BATF will come calling!
I have two of these pistols and I'm interested in selling this one. What is it worth? :nixweiss:
Kimber Ultra CDP ll 45
Bought May 2012
Has only had 50 rounds put through it. Paid $1,387.00 included the taxes.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/jlwalt/86A0DC09-BB46-48A4-AED8-A7D5912DCB1B-19839-000005602882D995.jpg)
If it were mine, I wouldn't take anything less than $900 for it. JMO. You shouldn't have any trouble selling it at that price.
Totally agree. I can shoot my 5" Springfield Loaded or my 4.25" R1 all day long without issue. The XDs gets a mag or two for proficiency and that's it.
I find that I just don't enjoy shooting .40 much anymore. I've got a SigPro 2022 that's a great shooter, but the round itself just does nothing for me.
My wife loves 9mm, so I'll probably always have a safe full of various platforms, but for me, I'm plenty happy with good 'ol .45ACP.
How's that 5.7 handle?
Sent from my iPad, probably while I'm pooping.
The 5.7 is just plain fun to shoot. Very accurate, recoil similar to a 22LR pistol. Small round really with lots of powder behind it. The highest muzzle velocity of any pistol, 2130 feet per second. It has round available to the military and LE that will penetrate Kevlar vests, double stacked at 100 yards. It has a very flat trajectory. The anti gun folks just hate the pistol and call it a cop killer. Took me a long time to spend the money as it is and expensive plastic gun. Got it when my local gun store had it on sale for 995, and FN was offering a 250 rebate to Military. I really do love to shoot the gun so does my wife, very accurate.
Yes the green tips are good, but you gotta check out these. http://www.eliteammunition.net/57x28mm_ammunition/T6.html
2570fps and they go through anything. Very fun, but expensive to shoot.
I go to the range frequently, and usually put 200~300 rounds of 230 grain .45 ACP down range though the various 1911's I own. Not bad in a well balanced 1911 at all. Usually shoot another 50 rounds in my FN5.7 and 100 in my 1911-22lr, then 50 rounds in my 40S&W XD.where are you getting the 5 7 ammo at a reasonable price? Its pretty tough to find around here.
The XD is the one that has the sharpest recoil, bites even more than my 3" barrel 1911. The 5" 1911s are the most fun to shoot.
Not good for self defense. Over penetration is an issue and a liability
Not good for self defense. Over penetration is an issue and a liability
where are you getting the 5 7 ammo at a reasonable price? Its pretty tough to find around here.
Never said I had it for carry. I do have it in the home.people often let their guard down at home. Good to be prepared. Lots of occupied home invasions happening nationwide and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse.
Carry is a 1911 45. In the home is depending on what room I am in a 1911 45, a shot gun, and on my night stand an xd 40 with a light and laser.
Luckily I bought lots and lots of it 18 months ago. I still have 2K plus rounds. Been very hard to find since Dec of 12.
The 5.7 is just plain fun to shoot. Very accurate, recoil similar to a 22LR pistol. Small round really with lots of powder behind it. The highest muzzle velocity of any pistol, 2130 feet per second. It has round available to the military and LE that will penetrate Kevlar vests, double stacked at 100 yards. It has a very flat trajectory. The anti gun folks just hate the pistol and call it a cop killer. Took me a long time to spend the money as it is and expensive plastic gun. Got it when my local gun store had it on sale for 995, and FN was offering a 250 rebate to Military. I really do love to shoot the gun so does my wife, very accurate.
My 5" Ed Browns are a blast to shoot, and in them you can shoot the 230 grain 45 acp all day long. My Les Baer Stinger, 4" barrel with officer grips it easy to shoot too. Its my winter carry. My summer carry is my Kimber CDP II Ultra which is a 3" barrel and officer grips.
My wife handed this to me as the ball was dropping, couldn't take my eyes off. 1st time in years I haven't seen it drop. Have wanted one of these for a long time, got the .22 barrell & slide also. After 47yrs of marriage.......she still knows how to please me!!!!!nice! :2vrolijk_21: a man can never have too many 1911s. :P har! spyder
I've been drooling over an Ed Brown Classic Custom. Where is the best place to purchase one and how would you recommend setting one up (options).Me too, Cowboy. While I will probably never own a 'Ed Brown Custom' a man needs something to lust over besides 'Boobies'. I have always believed in quality over quanity, Dave is
Cowboy
Always carry. Ruger 380 LCP, Walther PPK, Sig 239 SAS 9mm. The Ruger is good for a maximum accuracy of 10 feet, and most confrontations are within that zone. I am retired military and have maintained most of my firearm proficiency by hitting the range frequently. A Double Tap with the Ruger leaves me 5 additional rounds, which is plenty.
My biggest concern is those people who carry, that do not hit the range. They are just as dangerous as those that aim to do harm. They tend to Spray-N-Pray during extreme panic. I recommend anyone who carries, hit the range a minimum of once a month, for 200 rounds. It is best to hit it every 10-15 days, for 150 rounds minimum to retain proficiency and confidence. If you do not, then your results of your response may not be what you have visualized in your head. It is difficult to practice "Real-Life Training" scenarios like military units do, but constantly hitting the range and focusing on target acquisition and accuracy will improve your real life results. I recommend placing only a few rounds in High-Capacity magazines so that you focus on sending each round down range, analyzing its placement, then focusing on the next. 17 rounds in a magazine equates to 17 innocent by-standers. Visualize hitting a innocent bystander 100 yards past your intended target. Visualize that being a child. Conceal Carry is something every honorable American should do, its just that I believe we all should responsibly conceal carry.
Practice Point-Shooting technique until your grouping of 5 rounds, at 12 feet (measured), can be covered by a paper plate, then decrease the time it takes to send those 5 rounds to 3 seconds, then decrease the size of plate.
Rotarywing is dead on. Most(90%) of the CCP training classes are a joke. Watching a film teaches you nothing. Anyone that can't pass their shoot test has probably never held a pistol. As with most training courses on anything, if the Instructor don't care, you ain't gonna learn nuttin!!!
I've been drooling over an Ed Brown Classic Custom. Where is the best place to purchase one and how would you recommend setting one up (options).I would buy from Jerry Hammond. He is an internet dealer only, out of Virginia. I have met him a few times, and bought two Ed Browns from him and a Les Baer. Price was much better than any place else, he was very true to his word. I will be ordering a Wilson combat from him some time this year.
Cowboy
Me too, Cowboy. While I will probably never own a 'Ed Brown Custom' a man needs something to lust over besides 'Boobies'. I have always believed in quality over quanity, Dave isThanks.luckysmart enough to employ both ideas!!!!
Looks like Ed Brown now has out "The Enhanced Classic Custom". Now I'm really drooling!Who says a fine machine can't be pretty also? Nice BBQ Gun. :2vrolijk_21: har! spyder
Cowboy
Picked this up Saturday. Kimber Sapphire Ultra II 9mm.
Nicccceee Arland, That is one beautiful piece!!!Thanks Jimmy!
Picked this up Saturday. Kimber Sapphire Ultra II 9mm.
Picked this up Saturday. Kimber Sapphire Ultra II 9mm.VERY nice!
VERY nice!1911's are an addiction....no one says you have to just have one. har! spyder
I have to admit I'm a little jealous. I have a Kimber SIS and that is the one that's been catching my attention.
Love the grips on the Kimber, did you have to go to a dealer?The dealer where I bought the pistol ordered them for me when I purchased the pistol.
I have a Kahr CW9, I love it, It's my first pistol, Randy bought it for my birthday a few years ago along with a trip to Knob Creek Gun Range, near West Point Kentucky, that was a fun weekend. Almost anything goes down there. Randy said I did real good for my first outing with my pistol. :2vrolijk_21:
Thought I throw in a picture too. I am at Front Sight Firearms Training this last five days with my CQB.Nice gat. What was the 'wait=time' for that?
Sorry for the background, it's the bed in my room!
My Kimber Super Carry Ultra HD with Crimson Trace laser grips & HK .45 with Lasermax green laser. I carry the Kimber everyday & the HK is for the home although I do carry it once in a while.
Nice gat. What was the 'wait=time' for that?
Hey All,
I also have a CCP. In my home state of Pennsylvania and in both Arizona and Utah. The AZ and UT permits give me to carry in 38 states to date. I have taken all offered NRA courses and they are very, very basic, however they do serve a purpose. Most people who take such classes are new to firearms ownership and probably do not know which end to aim at the bad guys as we all were at one time. Gun ownership is a little like motorcycle ownership...you don't just point it in the right direction and hope for the best...anyone can do that. It is more about attitude and what you do when the chit hits the fan, which comes with education and experience.
I have a Springfield Armory 40 cal. with 4 inch barrel for home and a Springfield Armory 40 cal. subcompact for concealed carry. Love them both.
Yes, Judy, I unwrapped it from it's blue plastic cocoon.
That is a beauty Arland! Is it new?
VERY nice!Sapphire's for less than MSRP are getting very hard to find since they are no longer being produced by Kimber.
I have to admit I'm a little jealous. I have a Kimber SIS and that is the one that's been catching my attention.
In states that don't honor mine, I have Washington, Oregon and Utah permits, that'll give me about 35 states I believe, I carry the Gun in one saddlebag and the clip and ammo in the other.If you have CC, why lock your pistol and ammo away? :nixweiss: spyder
Depending on how I feel and weather, I carry either a Sig 229 40, Beretta 9M or a Colt Combat commander 45.
Picked this up Saturday. Kimber Sapphire Ultra II 9mm.
Feel the most comfortable with my FN5.7
1911's are an addiction....no one says you have to just have one. har! spyderAs a California LEO I can carry nationwide, which I do. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. And I don't have just one, I have five. 1911 forever.
As a California LEO I can carry nationwide, which I do. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. And I don't have just one, I have five. 1911 forever.LEOSA is a beautiful thing. :2vrolijk_21:
As a California LEO I can carry nationwide, which I do. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. And I don't have just one, I have five. 1911 forever.
And to make it even more-better... ;D.....the .22 ammo shortage has lifted it seems. har! spyder
Damn WCR, my scooter keeps me broke and you go making my mouth water talking bout 5.7's. Beautiful piece.....my wish pistol.Yep with 30 rd clips. Makes a heck of a racket!
Yep with 30 rd clips. Makes a heck of a racket!
BigLew
1911's are an addiction....no one says you have to just have one. har! spyder1911's, what I learned to shoot with, what my wife learned to shoot with, will always have one.
As a California LEO I can carry nationwide, which I do. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. And I don't have just one, I have five. 1911 forever.
Feel the most comfortable with my FN5.7I love my FN 5.7, great gun no recoil, light and accurate.
1911's, what I learned to shoot with, what my wife learned to shoot with, will always have one.yeah, Dave. I'd say you're fully addicted. har! spyder
I agree, and can be expensive.
Mine are:
GSG 1911-22
Kimber Ultra CDP II
Les Baer Stinger
Ed Brown Special Forces
Ed Brown Executive Elite Centennial
Saving for a Wilson Combat Bill Wilson Carry :coolblue:
I bought this nice little Sig P938 Blackwood with an extra capacity mag a few months ago. Bought its little brother the P238 Blackwood .380 ACP for my wife, too. New guns in a package deal for a really good price.
They are SAO mini (micro?) 1911s, both with ambi safeties. I carry this little beauty concealed in a Tommy Theis horsehide IWB holster, and it shoots really well. Weighs about HALF of what the big S&W Chief's Special .40 I used to carry does, and it fits my hand perfectly. Sometimes I forget I'm even carrying it.
The .40 cal lives on my nightstand now...
Ken
yeah, Dave. I'd say you're fully addicted. har! spyderYep
1911's, what I learned to shoot with, what my wife learned to shoot with, will always have one.WOW!
I agree, and can be expensive.
Mine are:
GSG 1911-22
Kimber Ultra CDP II
Les Baer Stinger
Ed Brown Special Forces
Ed Brown Executive Elite Centennial
Saving for a Wilson Combat Bill Wilson Carry :coolblue:
It's a nice firearm but not a 1911 version. Not Mr. Brownings design :)
I love my FN 5.7, great gun no recoil, light and accurate.
I however would never use it for Carry or Self Defense. With the highest mussel velocity of any pistol, it will travel way to far, go right through people and keep going.
With the right ammo, (frangible or hp) That 5.7 penetrates LESS than a 357, 9mm, 10mm, 40 or 45 (all with hollowpoints) be it in drywall OR flesh
As far as highest muzzle velocity goes, There are actually MANY pistol cartridges faster than the 5.7. 224 boz and its other off shoots as well as the 5 or 6 offshoots of the 45/223 and then you have the dillon cartridges and even the 357 sig with the frangible 55 grain rounds at 2100fps out of a 5.3" glock barrel!
STILL
NOTHING stops bad guys like any frangible bullet over 1100 fps out of 38,9mm,40,10mm or 45, a 5.56 hp over 2300fps (8 inch barreled ar anyone?) or a 45 185+p golden sabre @1100 fps+.... Aw heck just carry a surbu 12 ga with 2 3/4 00buck!
Well I do have a 7" barrel AR pistol, but its still a bit big for carry...
So where do you guys carry on the bike?
I know this is a very long thread and many side discussions have been brought up, but weapon carry on bikes have been discussed in the past with various viewpoints offered.
Just my .02 based on about 36 years of carry so far. You should strive to always carry your weapon on the person so you have physical control and speed on your side. When you put a weapon on a bike it is slower to reach and you run the risk of theft unless you get a vault to secure the weapon. That of course means a lack of speed if needed in a hurry.
Here is a good vault if you must store valuables of any type on a bike:
http://www.consolevault.com/harley-davidson-bagger-vault.html
Ever gone down with something hard in your pockets. Hit the deck with a firearm on your side doing 65 probably hurts like heck.Then you better not carry anything in your pockets/on your person. :nixweiss: The whole point of carrying is having it ready and available if needed. I agree w/VaEagle (have not carried daily as many years as he but do carry daily) but can confirm that you want to carry where it's available and in the same place so it's "memory recall" vs remembering where it is today.
Then you better not carry anything in your pockets/on your person. :nixweiss: The whole point of carrying is having it ready and available if needed. I agree w/VaEagle (have not carried daily as many years as he but do carry daily) but can confirm that you want to carry where it's available and in the same place so it's "memory recall" vs remembering where it is today.Absolutely. Always carry on person and usually have add'l. in locked saddlebag. When I hit the car a few years ago, I was carrying my Colt .380 Gov't. in a holster vest and although I broke ribs in my back, the pistol survived the flying thru the air and summersaults w/o any problem including no injuries from it or the spare mag in my pocket. Now a revolver with a more protruding cylinder might have caused a problem, don't know. spyder
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d'
:fireman:
I am not a fan of keeping a firearm in a car or a saddlebag. If I do not have control/possession of my firearm at all times then I will not carry. There are enough illegally obtained firearms out there...I do not wish to add to them. The only exception I may make is traveling through a state where I can not legally carry concealed...just my opinion.Agree, except is pretty much impossible to conceal carry and not lock a pistol up when going in a court house, post office, etc., and I'd imagine that most guns are stolen from locked houses/gun safes/etc. Just have to minimize the risk as much as possible. spyder
My biggest fear is this rig will break my ribs if/when I go down again?
This is a galco "jackass rig" .40 on one side 2 mags on the other for balance
Thoughts?.
Just a reminder.... For all of us that carry on bikes. Always practice shooting with your left hand as much as your rightMost defense/survival instructors emphasize to either 'shoot' or 'drive' .....I'm thinking that applies even more to riding. spyder
It's Hard to roll the throttle and shoot! ;) Hopefully your never in that position.
That's life in the Big Motor City! :coolblue:
Most defense/survival instructors emphasize to either 'shoot' or 'drive' .....I'm thinking that applies even more to riding. spyder
Most defense/survival instructors emphasize to either 'shoot' or 'drive' .....I'm thinking that applies even more to riding. spyder
Do what ever you want. Should still practice with each hand. When the Chit hits the fan.... Living is all that Applies :nixweiss:I agree that you should practice w/both hands and it is part of qualifications for most LEO's... however I think shooting while riding/driving isn't the best thing as it would/could involve a significant amount of collateral damage. If you are able to drive away from a situation and provide yourself w/a good defensive position (behind something solid that will stop/contain a round coming your way) you will have a better ability to survive the encounter. Part of Motor Officer training is to lay their bike down and assume a defensive position behind it if they have to be involved in a gun battle.
Part of Motor Officer training is to lay their bike down and assume a defensive position behind it if they have to be involved in a gun battle.
Yikes - think I'll try to avoid that d00d... I practice with both hands, but never really planned to shoot while riding the bike.Most of us would on our own bikes... you're not alone.
SIG P938, SAS model. Need to get a few hundred rounds though it so I am comfortable with it. Style and operation is very similar to a 1911 is why this is what I wanted. Wife has it in a P238, which has been 100% reliable.
I am all for CCW but get some real training. Not from some idiot at the local gun range
My question is this...very well said!! I know you already know the answer to your question. be interesting to hear from a different mindset.
Do people miss in actual shootings due to lack of practice OR lack of focus or lack of will???
I have seen MANY shooters go 90%+ on clays in a miriad of situations and actually only hit 10% of birds in the field. I have seen shooters that can't hit 50% clays do 90%+ on birds...
I have seen identical problems and results with pheasants, quail, ducks, geese etc etc etc... Taking life of any kind takes FOCUS and WILL!
I have trained my kids satisfactorily about rifle shooting but extraordinarily about mindset and discipline. Neither really amazed me with 1 shot kills on dear offhand at 75 and 95 yards... The shot really isn't that hard on a walking or loping deer or elk. Large target relatively close. A lack of will or focus is really the deciding factor.
Same thing with shooting pistols, running deer, running elk, running coyotes, bear, cougars and actual shootings.....
Practice with out the proper mindset AND the WILL to follow through is pointless!
Do people miss in actual shootings due to lack of practice OR lack of focus or lack of will???
I'd say lack of will plays a significant part. It takes brass ones for an average person (non criminal element) to shoot someone with good reason. If you're a responsibly armed citizen (not LE) and you have the will to shoot somebody, the way I see it is your life is pretty much over or at least financially devastated. If you get through the potential criminal charges next comes civil liability, funding a legal team for both issues. Probably a different matter if an intruder enters your home in a ''stand your ground' state, but still extremely problematic and expensive. I carry, but I'd have to be convinced that either I act or me or somebody I care about would be dead or injured if I did not. Even displaying a weapon represents criminal threatening outside your domicile in most places. Should you become involved in a life threatening event and wait for LO to bail you out, they will react, not act. By the time help arrives it would most likely be too late. This is an extremely complex issue...kiro I agree with you 100% I carry and I am not (LEO) for me to draw and fire it would have to be very serious. There's insurance out there for those who wish to have it for the off chance you do shoot someone. Then your at least legally covered by an attorney.
currently a P90 Ruger 45, looking at the S&W Sheild 9mm, and a Glock 42. anyone have any opinions on the sheild 9mm looking at it as an backup to the 45 on trips, but useful as an everyday carry also. like the feel of it and weight of it. the glock is just cute and for the wife mostly "hahaha" any excuse to by two toysI carry a shield in 40cal. it's slimmer than most making it easy to conceal but the 9 mm version only carries 8 rounds in the magazine almost making carrying a second magazine a requirement.(i'm used to my fnp 9 with 16 rounds) I haven't fired the 9 mm but my 40 has a pretty snappy recoil. all in all I like carrying it over any of my other handguns.
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?
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Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be traveling through a state that does not honor your cwp?
The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (aka the McClure-Volkmer Act) allows you to transport firearms while following the criteria outlined in the Act - unloaded, neither firearm or ammunition being transported can be readily accessible or directly accessible in the transport vehicle, in locked container, etc. I print and keep a copy of the Act with me if in this situation. However, there are several states with such strict gun laws I simply would never take a chance. Do some research on line and you'll gather plenty of information on which states to avoid.
NJ is one state that does not care about that law! More than one case the NRA has fought NJ this, NRA wins. However the gun owner spent days in Jail, took years to get gun back, and cost many thousands of dollars. States I avoid like the Plague are NJ, NY, CT, RI and MA.
NJ is one state that does not care about that law! More than one case the NRA has fought NJ this, NRA wins. However the gun owner spent days in Jail, took years to get gun back, and cost many thousands of dollars.
States I avoid like the Plague are NJ, NY, CT, RI and MA. Seems they do not know what the second amendment is. NJ is the worst. IL, OR and CA are the only other states than those in New England that do not honor my permit.
I am in the very preliminary stages of considering a trip to florida with the harley via the Autotrain. Does anyone know if I can take my firearm if properly packed in my luggage?
For sure I will inquire with Autotrain when I am ready...just wondering if anyone has traveled that way with their firearm.
You can add maryland to that list.
Chicago, and New York, and Los Angeles, and Washington D.C., and the list goes on and on. They continue to stick with the fantasy that criminals will obey the law when it comes to gun control even though by definition they are criminals and don't care about societies laws in the first place. Yet the rich and famous, the elite, and the politicians run around surrounded by armed body guards while us common folk fend for ourselves!real easy solution!! just move. would not live in location as you just described. if, not for themselves at least move for their families! I understand what your saying. But, these folks really and intensely believe what they preach. better just to leave them with it.
Problem with moving out of an anti-gun state is that you are just giving up. If you don't stay and fight for your constitutional rights you are just letting them grow stronger and then they move on your new adopted state! You need look no further than Colorado! They have taken over every thing north and south of Denver trying to control everything from guns to wood burning stoves. I've heard that they are trying to worm their way into Wyoming and Montana slowly pressuring everyone to take up legislation to turn things into the Californicated Republic they just ran from because of the draconian controls instituted there. :soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox:not everyone in fact most folks who work and run business do not believe as these nuts do. so,when those folks leave so does the revenue. that pretty much takes care of everything else.
TMI there Quantumracer lol
Quantum there's a real nice saddle bag safe out there it's a page or two back..
I too am a shoulder carry while mounted
I know this is a very long thread and many side discussions have been brought up, but weapon carry on bikes have been discussed in the past with various viewpoints offered.I am seriously looking at this vault. Not so much for carry as a safe place to lock up my glock if I need to. Now personally I'm not a fan of appendix carry. Especially while on the bike. It will almost always print. I carry a glock 23 in a Galco "Miami classic" rig. It is very hidden under my leather vest as well as most comfortable/ non restrictive. Just my .02
Just my .02 based on about 36 years of carry so far. You should strive to always carry your weapon on the person so you have physical control and speed on your side. When you put a weapon on a bike it is slower to reach and you run the risk of theft unless you get a vault to secure the weapon. That of course means a lack of speed if needed in a hurry.
Here is a good vault if you must store valuables of any type on a bike:
http://www.consolevault.com/harley-davidson-bagger-vault.html
Now I lay me down to sleep....
Beside my bed a gun I keep...
When I wake and your inside...
A coroner's van will be your ride.
Traded off my Kimber yesterday for this Wilson CQB Elite. Heading out this morning to the range.
I have a few Wilson CQBs. If you are of "bulls eye" it's you not the gun.
Ditch the green front sight. Get a black post. Everything else is gimmicks. Although I have night sights on one of mine it's in reality not very useful as a civilian.
The downside to night sights is having to replace them when they 'die'.
I disagree that night sights are of little use to civilians. I have sig night sights on my 2022, and mk25. When I wake up in the middle of the night to hit the head (sucks getting old) it's comforting knowing in a real world scenario I won't have to guess where my weapon is....I can see the top of it instantly. Micro seconds matter!!!
Of course nothing beats practice!
Dan
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I agree, my XD-40 has trijcon night sights. Its my night stand gun. I like being able to see it in the dark. My Kimber Ultra CDP also has night sights, its one of my carry guns.
On my 1911's my favorit is on my Browns, a plane u in the back with a gold bead up front.
The new Sig P938 I bought my self for christmas, as I wanted a smaller carry for summer than a 1911 has night sights.
Boy you guys talking about night sights and the like. From the topic of sights you must all be fairly young...meaning below fifty. When you get to be my age sight types aren't that important anymore. By time my old eyes can focus lining up front with rear on target...if at all...I figure to be dead...shot by the bad guy. In both my XD40's I have the internal Lazer-Max. I can put the red dot pretty quick on center of mass 8" dia. Yeah I know I am no marksman but I have confidence that I can get the job done if need be within 21 feet...otherwise I am running for cover.
:)
I have an older version of this:
http://www.surefire.com/illumination/weaponlights/handgun.html
All's you have to do is turn it on and it blind the s**t out of the person. When I have tested it on myself, I could not see for at least 5 minutes.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Just make sure you hold the light away from your body. Light location could be a DEAD give away of your location. I personally would rather, while still under cover, to notify the bad guy that I am armed and dangerous and will not hesitate to shoot while still keeping my exact location unknown to the intruder thereby giving the intruder the opportunity to vacate the premises. I do not understand the logic of revealing you location to the intruder...part of your advantage would be the element of surprise which you are relinquishing without obtaining any clear advantage by shining a light in their eyes if you are lucky enough to know where their eyes are while in the dead of darkness...just my opinion.
I have an older version of this:
http://www.surefire.com/illumination/weaponlights/handgun.html
All's you have to do is turn it on and it blind the s**t out of the person. When I have tested it on myself, I could not see for at least 5 minutes.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Mine is an oder version with a red dot laser also. It's mounted on my XD-40 night stand gun with night sights.
If I hear some one in my House at night and my wife is next to me, they do not belong there.
I get the idea, I taught that process of light location when clearing spaces, and it is a proven method of deception; however, I don't subscribe to it in a late night surprise scenario....I want eyes and light on target, and hot lead down range NOW. There's likely to be no time for deception because you're prone and mentally foggy when the scenario begins, which makes practice so important. Muscle memory is your best defense!
Regardless of what anyone's plan is.....practice, practice, practice!!!
Here's hoping no one here is ever faced with this problem!!!
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A clip is used for revolvers, and Pistol use a magazine.
Picked up a nice little Sig P238 for the BSR this week. She does not have the hand/wrist strength for the other small semi autos she tried. Cannot pull the slides on them. This one is on a modified 1911 platform with a very easy pull. Came with an extended clip.Mike before you get corrected... "extended clip" = "extended magazine"... but I did know what you meant. ;) :D :2vrolijk_21:
Not a carry gun - unless you count for quail - got a Stoeger 20 ga semi auto for myself today. Very similar to the Benelli inertia action - not gas powered. Gun's parent company is Beretta which also owns Benelli & Franchi as well as SAKO & a few others.
Say what?????new technology hub! all revolvers from this day forward are mandated by order of atf no cylinders only low capacity CLIPS. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Clips are something one puts in their hair...huh :o you do not have clips for your revolver. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Magazines are something you read while you're sitting on the toilet....
I thought we were talking about guns ::)
huh :o you do not have clips for your revolver. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:It's not the most practical conceal piece but I get a lot of compliments on it.
It's not the most practical conceal piece but I get a lot of compliments on it.
oh,,, can't figure out how to put a clip or a magazine into it. :-\
It's not the most practical conceal piece but I get a lot of compliments on it.that one is real easy little powder, few BBs.add a nail or two.just point in the general direction and KA-boom. probably legal to carry in all 50 states,maybe?
oh,,, can't figure out how to put a clip or a magazine into it. :-\
Picked up a nice little Sig P238 for the BSR this week. She does not have the hand/wrist strength for the other small semi autos she tried. Cannot pull the slides on them. This one is on a modified 1911 platform with a very easy pull. Came with an extended clip.
Mike before you get corrected... "extended clip" = "extended magazine"... but I did know what you meant. ;) :D :2vrolijk_21:
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Fired00d
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When my wife wanted a 380 like all her lady rider friends had she wanted a Ruger LCP or a BodyGuard. I did not want her to have either, felt the Sig was a much better 380. So with her friends we went to the range, and I took a friends P238. After my wife shot 4 different 380's she wanted the Sig P238 with out me saying a word. If I would have told her it was the best, she would have never got it. We have just over 1000 rounds thru it with zero issues. Its her carry.
I just got the P938, same gun but in 9mm for summer carry, I will keep carrying the 1911's in the spring fall and winter.
I prefer the Kahr PM45 for summer carry. Other seasons the Glock 30SF. Both very concealable but still got the punch of the .45.Great choice i just strapped on the kahr a few minutes ago to go out I carry a 45 because they don,t make a 46
I just picked up a Sig P938 a couple of week ago and put 500 rounds thru it with no issues. It will replace my XD sub compact as primary carry.
I carry a P938 Blackwood in the summer, and my wife has its little brother the P238 Blackwood. I think the P938 is just about the perfect CC gun... Small, light, accurate, easily concealed, and reliable. It fits my hand like a glove. I carry it in a nice Tommy Theis combat-cut horsehide holster. I have the extended mag, and I carry a spare extended mag in my weak side pocket.
I got these new guns for Christmas (presents to myself!) - a Beretta full-size PX4 pistol and a Beretta CX4 carbine.... both in .40 cal (my favorite). They use the same 14-round mags, and I have 5 of them. I will be carrying the PX4 in the cold months, as soon as the Crossbreed IWB holster arrives. I got a nice 1.75" x 1/4" thick Daltech gun belt to hold the weight of the PX4, too... it's just a TAD heavier than the P938! LOL
I REALLY like the way these Berettas shoot! I got a nice foregrip for the CX4 with a 600 lumen LED light and a blindingly-bright strobe on it, and also a red dot sight. Got a light/strobe for the PX4 as well. It's on my nightstand.
I carry a P938 Blackwood in the summer, and my wife has its little brother the P238 Blackwood. I think the P938 is just about the perfect CC gun... Small, light, accurate, easily concealed, and reliable. It fits my hand like a glove. I carry it in a nice Tommy Theis combat-cut horsehide holster. I have the extended mag, and I carry a spare extended mag in my weak side pocket.I've been carrying the Sig P238 for sometime now. Love it!
I got these new guns for Christmas (presents to myself!) - a Beretta full-size PX4 pistol and a Beretta CX4 carbine.... both in .40 cal (my favorite). They use the same 14-round mags, and I have 5 of them. I will be carrying the PX4 in the cold months, as soon as the Crossbreed IWB holster arrives. I got a nice 1.75" x 1/4" thick Daltech gun belt to hold the weight of the PX4, too... it's just a TAD heavier than the P938! LOL
I REALLY like the way these Berettas shoot! I got a nice foregrip for the CX4 with a 600 lumen LED light and a blindingly-bright strobe on it, and also a red dot sight. Got a light/strobe for the PX4 as well. It's on my nightstand.
When my wife wanted a 380 like all her lady rider friends had she wanted a Ruger LCP or a BodyGuard. I did not want her to have either, felt the Sig was a much better 380. So with her friends we went to the range, and I took a friends P238. After my wife shot 4 different 380's she wanted the Sig P238 with out me saying a word. If I would have told her it was the best, she would have never got it. We have just over 1000 rounds thru it with zero issues. Its her carry.
I just got the P938, same gun but in 9mm for summer carry, I will keep carrying the 1911's in the spring fall and winter.
I picked up the carbine in .45 cal about a year ago. Love the accuracy. Added 200 lumen light with red dot laser. Great shooter. Just wish they made a higher cap mag for the .45, 8 rounders kinda suck...
That's why I bought the .40 cal CX4 and PX4... They each came with two 14-round mags, and I can get 17-round mags for them. I have 5 14-round mags now, and I will probably buy some 17-round mags.
I'd much rather have 14 (or 17) rounds of .40 cal BJHP Federal HTX 180 grain rounds in either gun than only 8 rounds of any .45 ACP.
You can even get 30-round mags for the 9mm version of them!
Ken
Very true, but you just can't beat a .45 for knock down power. Especially in Ranger 230 grain +P. It's not called a "flying ash tray" for nuthin.. ;)
I've been carrying the Sig P238 for sometime now. Love it!
If I didn't already own the 238 the 938 would be on my hip.
Just picked up a S&W M&P Shield in 9mm. Slim frame, lightweight, and at $320 I couldn't pass it up. Now to save up for my wife's Ruger LCR in .357.
Ah the old favorite caliber debate raising it's head again....... :huepfenlol2:that 21 ft. is somewhat disputed according to where the numbers are coming from. some numbers are suggesting as little as 7 ft. distance. avg number of shots fired in civilian confrontation do suggest 2-3 shots fired. (f.b.i. number at one time suggested 1.7 shots fired.) think everyone agrees caliber is not near as important as familiarity with your weapon of choice. rather see a guy with ruger mk III he can shoot accurately as handcannon blasting away. guided elk hunters for a while way back when same holds true for these type firearms also. practice and experience really does count.does not hurt to be I good physical shape for elk,also. still think best defense is run Forrest run. think you are dead on with your assessment.
We can always invent scenarios where a hand cannon with large capacity of rounds is needed to stop the hoards of bad guys attacking.
In reality the average self defense shooting is against one person within 21 feet and only 2 or 3 shots are fired. The reason multiple offender and large number of rounds fired makes the news is that it was out of the ordinary. People who carry for self defense may get tired lugging a large capacity weapon around or have trouble concealing it so they stop carrying it. It's better to carry a comfortable weapon that you can hit the target reliably with then spray and pray.
When you look at history the .45ACP was developed for it's stopping power since the soldiers fighting the Morros in the Philippines were complaining that the standard issue .38 couldn't stop the charging enemy. When you look at one shot stops in police and other shootings you will always find the .45ACP at or very near the top of the chart.
The U.S. Military was interested in keeping the .45ACP in service but they had to look at ammo resupply issues and the rest of NATO was using the .9mm so that pushed the change to .9mm. The military also taught things like field of fire and spraying enough rounds down range to have something hit the enemy. (one reason for full auto fire) but after awhile controlled fire was considered a better tactic (One reason for 3 shot burst vs. full auto).
The military also doesn't worry about where each fired round goes since they don't have to worry like a police officer or a civilian about hitting innocent bystanders.
I personally would worry about hosing down a neighborhood or parking lot with 30 rounds or more. I know it's better to be tried by twelve then carried by 6 but you better have some good legal defense in a shooting.
Police departments select weapons for many different reasons which may not translate for individual personal carry. Many departments standardize and require all officers to carry the same gun regardless of assignment (unless undercover) and sometimes even off-duty so they make compromises so that it works in uniform and off-duty as well as for large officers and petite ones. Sometimes departments resist moving to a larger caliber because they feel their smaller officers can't handle the size of the weapon or it's recoil. Sometimes selections of weapons are made based on contracts with a certain manufacturer or distributor not because of officer input.
I would also encourage a person who carries for self defense to try and stay with one caliber and style of gun in the same location of carry so it becomes second nature and you don't have to be concerned about mechanics of draw and fire and you won't have to worry about different weapon functions and ballistics.
Just finished up my classes today. A little range time with the instructor and I've got my certificate. I know I've put 1000 rounds through my gun since I got it a little over a month ago.
One thing I found out in class I thought was very interesting. In Ohio, a motorcycle is considered the same as a cage for the purpose of carrying a handgun. You cannot open carry a loaded weapon on a bike without a CCW permit. Kinda crazy if you ask me as it would be in plain sight but that's the law here in the Buckeye state. Once I have my Ohio permit, I'll take a quick trip over the border into Pa and pick there's up also. It adds quite a few states to the reciprocity map.
Most states you can not carry on a bike with out a CCW permit. Also, I would never open carry. I do not want any one to know I have a weapon on me. The element of surprise will work in your favor.I had read when you posted that before. How in the world do they manage to do it? Cameras or just LEOs running all out of state plates?
Some states be very very careful if you ever go through them with a gun.
MD for example runs your tags when you enter the state. They know you have a CCW, they will find a reason to stop you, speeding or what ever. They will then search for the gun. If they find it your on your way to Jail. NRA has had to defend several people over this. Even if the gun is un loaded and ammo is locked away from the gun.
NJ is another to Avoid along with CT and MA.
Most states you can not carry on a bike with out a CCW permit. Also, I would never open carry. I do not want any one to know I have a weapon on me. The element of surprise will work in your favor.
Some states be very very careful if you ever go through them with a gun.
MD for example runs your tags when you enter the state. They know you have a CCW, they will find a reason to stop you, speeding or what ever. They will then search for the gun. If they find it your on your way to Jail. NRA has had to defend several people over this. Even if the gun is un loaded and ammo is locked away from the gun.
NJ is another to Avoid along with CT and MA.
Just finished up my classes today. A little range time with the instructor and I've got my certificate. I know I've put 1000 rounds through my gun since I got it a little over a month ago.look into the Utah non resident permit it covers 32 states. It's a good one to have
One thing I found out in class I thought was very interesting. In Ohio, a motorcycle is considered the same as a cage for the purpose of carrying a handgun. You cannot open carry a loaded weapon on a bike without a CCW permit. Kinda crazy if you ask me as it would be in plain sight but that's the law here in the Buckeye state. Once I have my Ohio permit, I'll take a quick trip over the border into Pa and pick there's up also. It adds quite a few states to the reciprocity map.
Running tags only gives vehicle and registered owner info. Each individual state has a different format for info given, and some can be down right difficult to read. In Ma. a persons CCW status is not part of their vehicle or license information. I have not seen a state that has that info included in a simple vehicle registration query.Pretty sure it's included in NC.
...still think best defense is run Forrest run.
look into the Utah non resident permit it covers 32 states. It's a good one to haveAnd Utah non-resident permit classes are held in many states outside of Utah. The even do several classes a year in Ma.
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And Utah non-resident permit classes are held in many states outside of Utah. The even do several classes a year in Ma.exactly I got mine in California thru my local gun trainer. Iirc it was 200 bucks. 5 year permit $15 renewal with out more trainig
It is convenient, but every time I consider something like that I remember that the primary reason I want my small pistols in a holster, even in my pocket is to keep the trigger covered for safety. Don't want my chap stick or the errant thread pulling the 'bang stick'. :nervous: spyder
I had read when you posted that before. How in the world do they manage to do it? Cameras or just LEOs running all out of state plates?
Running tags only gives vehicle and registered owner info. Each individual state has a different format for info given, and some can be down right difficult to read. In Ma. a persons CCW status is not part of their vehicle or license information. I have not seen a state that has that info included in a simple vehicle registration query.
And that's why I will never carry a Glock!I am just the opposite ken I would only carry a Glock
I will only carry guns that have a true ambi safety (I'm a lefty)... like my P938 and PX4, and my wife's little ambi-safety P238. No lemon-squeezers or dual-trigger thingies in my holster.
Ken
I am just the opposite ken I would only carry a Glock
No safety no de cocker no B S
Now that being said I buy only Galco holsters so I'm am confident that my weapon is safe
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It is convenient, but every time I consider something like that I remember that the primary reason I want my small pistols in a holster, even in my pocket is to keep the trigger covered for safety. Don't want my chap stick or the errant thread pulling the 'bang stick'. :nervous: spyder
Don't carry mine in my pocket, I clip it inside my waist band.
But for folks who want it clipped in their pocket they sell a cheesy looking trigger guard.
http://technaclip.com/index.php/lcp-trigger-guard.html
They also sell one for the Glocks which looks much more useable.
http://technaclip.com/index.php/saf-t-blok.html
Not sure about that inside the waistband style. I am lucky I can fit my big ass in my pants let alone anything else. :)
... Not sure about that inside the waistband style. I am lucky I can fit my big ass in my pants let alone anything else. :)
:huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: That's funny, Tommy! All I know is, I've got 18 shots! If I ain't secured the area by then, I'm throwin' the pistol at 'em, and they'll have to shoot me in the a$$, 'cause I'm bookin'! There endeth the lesson. 8) Later--HUBBARDHub, the only reason I'm going to be in a gun fight in the first place is 'cause I couldn't 'book'. And if I remember correctly, you and I both have a hitch in our git-along that pretty much curtails us 'bookin' at any successful pace, so....THERE endeth the lesson. har! spyder
And once a round has been jacked into the chamber, the only 'safety' is between your ears.....hence, the now common term 'glock leg' resulting from accidental discharges. :( spyder
Hub, the only reason I'm going to be in a gun fight in the first place is 'cause I couldn't 'book'. And if I remember correctly, you and I both have a hitch in our git-along that pretty much curtails us 'bookin' at any successful pace, so....THERE endeth the lesson. har! spyder
Gun Control Exposed.
Just wondering----I've been carrying a Glock 26 IWB for 5+ yrs and like it. But even with this small gun it slides my pants down and I have to keep "hiking them up". How do you guys carry a 1911 without your pants fallling off. My body size ain't pretty----I'm top heavy and my belt disappears when it's cinched up. No ass either to hold things up. Anyone else have this problem?
Just wondering----I've been carrying a Glock 26 IWB for 5+ yrs and like it. But even with this small gun it slides my pants down and I have to keep "hiking them up". How do you guys carry a 1911 without your pants fallling off. My body size ain't pretty----I'm top heavy and my belt disappears when it's cinched up. No ass either to hold things up. Anyone else have this problem?
Gun Control Exposed.you will never see that on the news!! :( :( :( :( unless fox broadcasts it!!
Wow, T-Roy, wish that could be on the evening news for more ppl to see.
huh :o you do not have clips for your revolver. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
When my wife wanted a 380 like all her lady rider friends had she wanted a Ruger LCP or a BodyGuard. I did not want her to have either, felt the Sig was a much better 380. So with her friends we went to the range, and I took a friends P238. After my wife shot 4 different 380's she wanted the Sig P238 with out me saying a word. If I would have told her it was the best, she would have never got it. We have just over 1000 rounds thru it with zero issues. Its her carry.
I just got the P938, same gun but in 9mm for summer carry, I will keep carrying the 1911's in the spring fall and winter.
NoI am sure it is illegal to Carry in the UK.
Just wondering----I've been carrying a Glock 26 IWB for 5+ yrs and like it. But even with this small gun it slides my pants down and I have to keep "hiking them up". How do you guys carry a 1911 without your pants fallling off. My body size ain't pretty----I'm top heavy and my belt disappears when it's cinched up. No ass either to hold things up. Anyone else have this problem?
Just wondering----I've been carrying a Glock 26 IWB for 5+ yrs and like it. But even with this small gun it slides my pants down and I have to keep "hiking them up". How do you guys carry a 1911 without your pants fallling off. My body size ain't pretty----I'm top heavy and my belt disappears when it's cinched up. No ass either to hold things up. Anyone else have this problem?
A good belt keeps everything in place.
...and hopefully no shot up personal body parts...Carry I a shoulder rig so I'm good
Gun Control Exposed.Ha! I live just outside of St. Louis proper and nearly every morning on the news is a rundown of the prior evenings murders. It has become our little joke to try and guess the location before they say it. Funny thing is we are right almost always.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
:confused5:I would think in most states as it is in VA you can't drink alcoholic beverages while carrying (IMHO this should be common sense for anyone that is going to carry). If caught you most likely will loose your CCW permit along with facing some jail time and being labeled as a felon. If you want/have to drink then you should leave your weapon at home. If you were to be in a situation where you had to use your weapon and it was found/determined you were under the influence it may alter/affect the "justifiable" use of it.
I've considered taking the necessary class and getting a CCW permit here in No. Carolina. Without me going back over all 180 pages of this post, has anyone chatted about the alcohol "problem".
In other words, I do enjoy stopping at the local Pub for a couple of beers and from what I have read, it seems your azz is in big trouble if you carry and are in a bar or consume a beer or cocktail or two.
I can't believe most here are tee-totelers (non drinkers)..............so do you absolutely go by the "book" and refrain from hoisting any beers, etc. if you are carrying or just how is that handled by most.
Meantime, I remain reluctant to pursue the idea for that very reason. :nixweiss: :drink:
I have clips for my revolver :nixweiss:for acp rounds
for acp rounds
Just bought me a New Kimber 1911 Stainless II. Gonna' take the 629 out of the Tour-Pak, and retire it to the Safe. Ordered me a GALCO VHS Shoulder Rig, too. 8 wks. out! Loaded me some 185 & 230 grain Hollow-Points. 185's oughta' go about 1100 fps, and the 230's oughta' be about 1000 fps. Gonna' try the 230's out this evening on an old tree in the back yard, and try to go to the Range tomorrow and slay some Silhouettes. I've never been that fond of Automatics, but obviously a lot easier to conceal and carry on Ol' Maybelle, as opposed to totin' a Hog-Leg around. 8) Later--HUBBARD
Just bought me a New Kimber 1911 Stainless II. Gonna' take the 629 out of the Tour-Pak, and retire it to the Safe. Ordered me a GALCO VHS Shoulder Rig, too. 8 wks. out! Loaded me some 185 & 230 grain Hollow-Points. 185's oughta' go about 1100 fps, and the 230's oughta' be about 1000 fps. Gonna' try the 230's out this evening on an old tree in the back yard, and try to go to the Range tomorrow and slay some Silhouettes. I've never been that fond of Automatics, but obviously a lot easier to conceal and carry on Ol' Maybelle, as opposed to totin' a Hog-Leg around. 8) Later--HUBBARDI bought a stack of those at the gun show when I picked up my gun. First time to the range with my buddy who was also my CCW instructor he asked me why I bought them. I thought "huh?", He then promptly pulled out his stack of 9" targets (lesson learned real quick about keeping the groups in a 9" area) which happened to be a nice stack of paper plates. I'm done buying big paper targets. LOL
Yes, just added a Sig P938 a couple weeks ago, I've been carrying for years.Got mine in Dec. It's my first 9mm. Got tired of carrying 1911's in the summer just to much effort to keep properly concealed. I really like mine, lots easier to carry.
My wife decided on a Glock 43 a few weeks ago. I added an Edge connector to give it a lighter, smoother trigger pull, then installed magazine +1 extenders. Very compact and it fits her small hands better than four other models. Her Remora holster just came the other day. There's no belt clip on these and it's soft and sticky which gives her a lot of different options.I just started looking for a smaller gun for summer carry. Right now I have a G23 and an XD.Mods2 which are both compact but a little hard to hide for me. How is she liking that 43? It's on my list to check out mainly because the grip angle is the same as my 23 so the sight angle would be real close.
Local rides I'm usually packing a Colt .380 (Mark IV/Series 80) Government Model, w/hollow points. Out on the Big Road, I'm packin' a Kimber .45, in a shoulder-holster. Hope I never have to use 'em in self-defense. But as DeNiro told Pacino in "HEAT", "I would not hesitate." Too old to trade punches now! 8) Later--HUBBARDYeah, a old dog will hurt you quicker & deeper for a reason.
Local rides I'm usually packing a Colt .380 (Mark IV/Series 80) Government Model, w/hollow points. Out on the Big Road, I'm packin' a Kimber .45, in a shoulder-holster. Hope I never have to use 'em in self-defense. But as DeNiro told Pacino in "HEAT", "I would not hesitate." Too old to trade punches now! 8) Later--HUBBARD
Those grips are just cool, spyder! Been looking for some Walnut grips for my .380, but ain't found 'em yet. Don't know where I could find some, do ya'? Don't care too much for the factory black ones. Later--HUBBARD
Hub, let me dig through my stuff, I may have some. Just had some Ivory ones made for my Gov't.380 which I've carried for many years when a .45 was too 'large or heavy'. Lucky that I got this one back when it was taken as 'evidence' when I was run over on the Huckleberry a few years back. Also lucky that I didn't pull the trigger on the old dude that pulled out into me and stood off watching as cars went around me as I lay in the rain in the middle of the road. But, that's another story for another time ;)
. Har. spyder
Hub, I just want to know what is considered local to you. I do remember riding the wonderful roads of West Virginia with you leading the ride and I'm sure you had the Kimber .45 in that shoulder-holster.
I did feel protected.
Mike
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These guys do an assortment of grips for 1911s. wickedgrips.com (http://wickedgrips.com) I have an old 1911 (1965) that the original grips shrunk up on. I got some really nice ebony grips from them.
Depending on your frame type this may not be of much help, however. They're worth a look in case you have another roscoe needing grips.
M
I grew up shooting revolvers and just cant get away from loving them
I just started looking for a smaller gun for summer carry. Right now I have a G23 and an XD.Mods2 which are both compact but a little hard to hide for me. How is she liking that 43? It's on my list to check out mainly because the grip angle is the same as my 23 so the sight angle would be real close.She hasn't had a gun in her hands for years but her job has been taking her into some rough neighborhoods. One night she said "Let's go look for something I can shoot." No problem... I came up with a list of small striker fire 9mm's and the 43 fit her the best. They had an indoor range where we bought it and for $15, an NRA instructor worked with her through the first box of 50. Now, she shoots one or two boxes of shells a week so I'm building us a steel target range below the house.
Anyone see the new Kimber K-6? wheel gun?
BigLew
My new IWB VM2 holster came in too for my M&P 9c with Crimson Tracer.
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Mine goes with me everywhere. Sig P-220 Elite. Also this is a great IWB holster, can't even tell it's there!Had the same holster (only right handed ;) ) for my old gun. Nice setup and adjustable a bunch of different ways.
I have four Milt Sparks IWB VM2 holsters. I feel they are the best and most comfortable. One is for a 1911, 5" barrel, one is for a 1911, 4" barrel, one for a 1911, 3" barrel and the newest is for my Sig Sauer P938 which I got for summer carry.
Had the same holster (only right handed ;) ) for my old gun. Nice setup and adjustable a bunch of different ways.
Just bought this SD40 from a guy at work Wednesday. I couldn't pass up the deal but I think it's going to too bulky for conceal, carry. He sold me the gun, holster, three mags, 325 rounds of FMJ and 150 rounds of HP's for under $300:)That was a good deal. :2vrolijk_21:
LESS than 1.4 seconds. ---- don't even think of carrying a firearm
So if you can't perform this proficiently you're suggesting to go weaponless? Although one never knows, there's not much chance I'll ever engage in a firefight, but if anything ever did occur I think it's better to carry than just be an unarmed statistic... I trained at the Sig Sauer academy, but none of the sessions I attended had anything to do with what you described. And my feelings aren't hurt in the least.
Lots of people carry. What standard as far as skills do you hold yourself to?
My opinion. (And I beat this time by far). If you are not able to deploy your firearm from concealed carry and fire two rounds (with three sight pictures, no double tap crap) into the toaracic cavity (chest) in LESS than 1.4 seconds. ---- don't even think of carrying a firearm. You are not properly trained and proficient.
Not intended to hur anyone's feelings but a firefight is serious stuff.
What you're after there is "thoracic."
What you're after there is "thoracic."Otherwise known as "center mass".. but what the hell do I know. ;) :D
Otherwise known as "center mass".. but what the hell do I know. ;) :D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Yeah the wait is tough was 11 weeks this time
Otherwise known as "center mass".. but what the hell do I know. ;) :DIsn't that where Bernie Sanders hails from?
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Isn't that where Bernie Sanders hails from?Come on Spyder... you an ole war d0g... you know what that means. 8)
Brownells have milt sparks SS in stock for 1911s. I have probably 20 of each in stock as well if needed. No reason to wait for one if its the SS version you want.That's the 'summer special', correct? The Criterion or whatever the one with the magnetic snaps for belt attachment is the one you have to wait so long for now, I believe.
Come on Spyder... you an ole war d0g... you know what that means. 8)All this fast draw and gun fighting talk makes me nervous. :nervous: har! spyder
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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That's the 'summer special', correct? The Criterion or whatever the one with the magnetic snaps for belt attachment is the one you have to wait so long for now, I believe.
All this fast draw and gun fighting talk makes me nervous. :nervous: har! spyderSpyder you said it best here in another post/thread...
Hey Pete, what's that sayin'? Something like: Slow is fast & Fast is good. or something like that. har! spyder:2vrolijk_21:
Nice Colt! Love 1911s. (My carry as well but another brand)thanks, that one is kinda old, but 1911's are what I'm most familiar with and so I'm sticking with 'em if a pistol is all I can carry/conceal. Much rather have a long gun if I had my 'druthers'. ;D har. spyder
thanks, that one is kinda old, but 1911's are what I'm most familiar with and so I'm sticking with 'em if a pistol is all I can carry/conceal. Much rather have a long gun if I had my 'druthers'. ;D har. spyder
Isn't that where Bernie Sanders hails from?
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Lots of people carry. What standard as far as skills do you hold yourself to?Just so you can sleep better a night, I am very proficient with all 3 firearms and custom setups, thus why I opt for Black Hills Ammo with Barnes Bullets listed. I fly out twice per year to qualify on a course and field of their choosing. Don't know if I took this personal, since this post was released relatively soon after my submission, however, I thought I would clear the air. again, Very Proficient, you need not worry about me and my H&K Custom setups.
My opinion. (And I beat this time by far). If you are not able to deploy your firearm from concealed carry and fire two rounds (with three sight pictures, no double tap crap) into the toaracic cavity (chest) in LESS than 1.4 seconds. ---- don't even think of carrying a firearm. You are not properly trained and proficient.
Not intended to hur anyone's feelings but a firefight is serious stuff.
Just so you can sleep better a night, I am very proficient with all 3 firearms and custom setups, thus why I opt for Black Hills Ammo with Barnes Bullets listed. I fly out twice per year to qualify on a course and field of their choosing. Don't know if I took this personal, since this post was released relatively soon after my submission, however, I thought I would clear the air. again, Very Proficient, you need not worry about me and my H&K Custom setups.
I like the grips Mr. Spyder. :2vrolijk_21:Thanks, the only thing wrong with them is they're not 'thin' grips, which I prefer due to my small hands (ala 'the Donald') har. spyder
I hope that I never get myself in a situation I need to pull a gun I plan on doing whatever I can to avoid that happening. Common sense and trusting my intuition are my best weapon.
Just for the record I never leave the house unarmed and when sitting around the house there is a weapon within reach. Always prepared.
Carry this ol' hogleg in the Tour-Pak.....just in case. Later--HUBBARD
That's a beautiful collection, Carl...one that any liberty-loving patriot would love to have! :2vrolijk_21:
The Python's a classic. Don't ever get rid of it!
I have two Kimber's myself, and a slew of others. Got em strewn out all over the house, but that's the way we roll here in Arkansas!
Thanks! One of my friends has been after me for years wanting that Python. It's perfect. It's got the smoothest action of any gun I've ever fired. 'Course, I've always been partial to Colt. Later--HUBBARD
Carry this ol' hogleg in the Tour-Pak.....just in case. Later--HUBBARD
I saw old Hickok45 do a video of one on YouTube. You could hear the reverence in his voice for it, that's for sure.
I'm partial to the .45ACP round, myself. I used to carry a Sig P238 everywhere cause it's just so darn easy to conceal. But dang, there's some situations out there where'd you just get laughed at for a barrel hole that small if you know what I mean. I figure a roughly 1/2" hole with the laser from a Crimson Trace Grip will be a lot more convincing.
I'm like you. The world's too crazy and people too unpredictable to not carry everywhere you go.
Heck, I keep one in the kitchen. I love to cook, and at first my (new) wife looked at me and chuckled about it, but now she's used to seeing pistols, rifles, shotguns, you name it.
Wouldn't be without 'em.
Thanks for posting!
Thanks! One of my friends has been after me for years wanting that Python. It's perfect. It's got the smoothest action of any gun I've ever fired. 'Course, I've always been partial to Colt. Later--HUBBARD
What about a longer mag for that Kahr? They make an awesome handgun.
I've been thinking about an H&K 45C (not the USP model). But then I look at the full size and I'm torn. Gotta love the grip on the bigger one.
So many bikes...so little time and money. So many guns...well...you get the jist! ::)
I am sure someone thinks I am an ass for pointing this out but handguns don't have grips. It's called stock.You might want to contact Hogue a recognized and respected manufacturer of "GRIPS" for all kinds of handguns so they can correct themselves immediately.
And while I am at it. Pistols don't have clips. Only hillbillys a or Hollywood moviemaker think this is so.
Revolvers have clips, or in some cases moon clips.
You might want to contact Hogue a recognized and respected manufacturer of "GRIPS" for all kinds of handguns so they can correct themselves immediately.Gotta chuckle at that. I have them on 2 of my handguns. :2vrolijk_21:
Don't sell that Python cheap. Have you seen what they're going for now ? I wish I would have bought one to go with my S&W 27.
I am sure someone thinks I am an ass for pointing this out but handguns don't have grips. It's called stock.
And while I am at it. Pistols don't have clips. Only hillbillys a or Hollywood moviemaker think this is so.
Revolvers have clips, or in some cases moon clips.
Gotta chuckle at that. I have them on 2 of my handguns. :2vrolijk_21:Me too :2vrolijk_21:.. but what the hell do I know. ;) :D :D
I resemble that remark! I'm definitely a Hillbilly, and a red-neck one, at that. Up here, a clip goes in an Automatic, and a speed-loader is used, (when needed), to load the cylinder on a Revolver, and Grips is Grips. Don't give a chit what the "experts" call 'em. And when we discharge 'em, we call that "bustin' a cap." There endeth the lesson. Later--HUBBARDHell yea!!! :2vrolijk_21: :ROFLOL:
I am sure someone thinks I am an ass for pointing this out but handguns don't have grips. It's called stock.
And while I am at it. Pistols don't have clips. Only hillbillys a or Hollywood moviemaker think this is so.
Revolvers have clips, or in some cases moon clips.
A clip is used for revolvers, and Pistol use a magazine.
Hmm not a real bright idea. Easy to conceal as a cellphone yes, but now the cops has a reason to shot you while you are holding your IPhone.
The shootin'll be over by the type the cops get there. Us "hillbillies" don't call 911. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: Later--HUBBARD
Saw this on the Today Show this morning. Interesting...
Company Invents Gun That Folds Up to Look Like a Cellphone (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/company-invents-gun-folds-look-cellphone-n547221)(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/gun2.png)(http://idealconceal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/gun1.png)
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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If you hold your iPhone like a gun you probably deserve to be shot.
The shootin'll be over by the time the cops get there. Us "hillbillies" don't call 911. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: Later--HUBBARD
Hmm not a real bright idea. Easy to conceal as a cellphone yes, but now the cops has a reason to shot you while you are holding your IPhone.Shouldn't be an issue if you are obeying the LEO's instructions upon approach and or apprehension. This my friend is where 90 plus percent of the confrontation begins and then escalates.
Hmm not a real bright idea. Easy to conceal as a cellphone yes, but now the cops has a reason to shot you while you are holding your IPhone.Yet another good reason to stick with Android phones. :2vrolijk_21:
Certain stores can keep 43s in stock around here and other stores can't. I came close to getting one a couple of weeks ago just because it was there, but I'll stick with my 42 for the time-being. Love the size of that gun and how it shoots, just hate the price of .380 ammo vs. 9mm.Exactly why I'm waiting on the 43. Initially considered a 380 for the wife until I saw the price difference in ammo. We found her and XD she felt comfortable with so that one is hers.
Yet another good reason to stick with Android phones. :2vrolijk_21:
Went searching for the elusive Glock 43 today. Everyone around here is out of stock and don't know when they'll get one in. Looked real hard at a Sig p938 but it doesn't come with anything. Gun, 1 mag and a plastic box. They're proud of that plastic box. ??? Also looked at a Kimber solo until the salesman was telling me that they can be fussy with ammo. Back to the Glock search. They go bang when you squeeze the trigger and are not fussy about ammo. I normally carry a G23 so the grip angle and sight lines will be the same as what I shoot now.
I love the P938 as a summer carry. Got one because is is so much like a 1911, which is my gun of choice. Just not so easy to conceal in the summer on a bike. It being so much like a 1911 is why I like it same grip angle.I looked hard at a 938 today. New one, one mag, plastic box and paperwork for $615. Just seemed to have trouble getting my finger inside of the trigger guard. Would have to be one of those guns I'd need a few hundred rounds through it to get used to it. Liked the size of it but like I stated earlier, not much for the price although that one was about $80 lower than most of the other shops around here. I'm still thinking the Colt Defender with the factory installed Hogue grips on it but have yet to come across anyone that's owned one or shot one.
I do not do well with Glock due to grip angle is so different from a 1911. I do much better with XD's due to the grip angle also closer to a 1911.
My oldest daughter just got a XD-S 3.3 in .40 for carry.
I looked hard at a 938 today. New one, one mag, plastic box and paperwork for $615. Just seemed to have trouble getting my finger inside of the trigger guard. Would have to be one of those guns I'd need a few hundred rounds through it to get used to it. Liked the size of it but like I stated earlier, not much for the price although that one was about $80 lower than most of the other shops around here. I'm still thinking the Colt Defender with the factory installed Hogue grips on it but have yet to come across anyone that's owned one or shot one.I have one of the original XD-40 in 4" before they came out with the XDM's and XD's. I have over 4000 rounds through it with never an issue. I'm thinking hard about adding the XDS 40. I like that round. My P938 is my only 9mm. My wife has a P238, she had really wanted the LCP or BodyGuard. So she tried all three at the range and saw the Sig was a more fun gun to shoot and easier on her hand. She is now really liking my P938, so that may help with an excuse to get the XDs-40
Now if Springfield made an XD that size, I'd be all over it. Love shooting the wife's 4" 9mm.
I have one of the original XD-40 in 4" before they came out with the XDM's and XD's. I have over 4000 rounds through it with never an issue. I'm thinking hard about adding the XDS 40. I like that round. My P938 is my only 9mm. My wife has a P238, she had really wanted the LCP or BodyGuard. So she tried all three at the range and saw the Sig was a more fun gun to shoot and easier on her hand. She is now really liking my P938, so that may help with an excuse to get the XDs-40That XD she has is the Mod2. Just newer grips I think.
Exactly why I'm waiting on the 43. Initially considered a 380 for the wife until I saw the price difference in ammo. We found her and XD she felt comfortable with so that one is hers.
Many individuals are searching for a nice firearm for wife, daughter, sister etc.. some wanting 40 S&W and it is all about weight, grip comfort and feel in the hand prior to discharging the weapon, then recoil and nose flip.
The pistol should feel nice in the hand to be comfortable that is why I think a H&K P30 and P30L and Walther PPQ M2 due to their ADJUSTABLE grips and weight are options for women that are often over looked.
Not pushing gun sales here, I have seen too many people purchase a H&K Pistol, not knowing which variant to BUY and PURCHASE the wrong one, then get on the internet and trash the H&K trigger system. Walther has streamlined the selection process, so a novice can't make any mistakes with regards to variants the PPQ M2 has a smooth trigger.
I prefer H&K because it handles the recoil a tad better and the grip has adjustable side panels and back straps.
For me, and only me these are my 2 top picks for the ladies in 40 S&W, actually 9mm would be the same.
I looked hard at a 938 today. New one, one mag, plastic box and paperwork for $615. Just seemed to have trouble getting my finger inside of the trigger guard. Would have to be one of those guns I'd need a few hundred rounds through it to get used to it. Liked the size of it but like I stated earlier, not much for the price although that one was about $80 lower than most of the other shops around here. I'm still thinking the Colt Defender with the factory installed Hogue grips on it but have yet to come across anyone that's owned one or shot one.
Now if Springfield made an XD that size, I'd be all over it. Love shooting the wife's 4" 9mm.
You need to come to GA, I only paid $479 for my P938 SAS. It did only come with 1 mag but I've since bought 3 more for $29 each and swapped out the grips with Hogue BRG's for $25 more and I still have less in it than your Ohio price. I have seen some inflated prices at a few stores like Cabela's or Gander Mountain on the Extreme models but those stores always have high prices. Do you have to pay a special gun tax or something?No special taxes. Must be a regional price thing. How long ago did you get yours?
My companion :)
No special taxes. Must be a regional price thing. How long ago did you get yours?
September last year. Yesterday I saw one at my local gun store, who are usually MSRP plus, for $579. They had G43's also but I don't remember the price. Many of the shops around here have the G43's in stock, maybe Glock's US headquarters in the area makes a difference. :nixweiss:You're right. I need to come to GA. Not just for that, much better weather also.
Hey, 4tigers! Good lookin' SIG. Looks like you use Wilson clips. I've used them for years. Hard to beat! :2vrolijk_21: Later--HUBBARD
Carry everyday. On the truck I have a Glock 19 Gen 4 and when I'm home or riding the bike, I carry a S&W Shield 9mm. I don't worry about anything when traveling since I have a CC permit and the states I travel through have reciprocity. I also have a Ruger SR1911 that sleeps along side me in my nightstand at home.
Not trying to meddle in your business, but I hope that Truck you're talking about ain't Commercial. Felony for firearm in Commercial Vehicle. Permit is not recognized by authorities.....in any State. Later--HUBBARD
I sold my P238 SAS this past weekend and bought a Kimber Black Crimson Trace Micro .380. While I was doing this I looked at several P938's and then after seeing the post above stating ~$480 I checked at Buds Gun Shop in Lexington who I had bought a few pistols from (No shipping, No tax and local Florida shop handles transfer for $10). There are no under $500 P938's that I could find. I did find a base, no options P238 for that, but it was base model, plastic grips, no night sights, definitely no laser etc. Buds has P938's for ~$600 and a couple at Tampa Gun Show for that. Have a buddy with Fed Lic, he says he has to pay $555 for cheapest P938 so the one in GA for <$500 is a big bargin, where did you buy it? I will drive up for that price and take a couple.There's a local place up here that actually had a base model P938 on sale for $499 last month. Looks just like a more expensive one sitting about 3 guns over from it. Guy at the counter told me they have a few different suppliers and the one with the lower price sets the prices on it. Not quite sure how that works though. I stumbled across a P938 Talo recently on a private sale board for a helluva deal. Never fired, the green one with the Hogue grips and night sights. Guy had bought it last fall and never fired it. Said he needed money. Who am I to argue with someone that wants to give me a great deal. :2vrolijk_21:
Hubbard, with all due respect, that is not correct. Most companies DO have a no firearms policy as well as many shippers and receivers don't allow firearms on their property. However, there is nothing stating that you can't legally carry a loaded firearm in a commercial vehicle. You are subject to local and state laws just like if you were driving any other vehicle. I've also asked DOT officers in more than one state about this, and they told me the same thing. As long as you're allowed to legally carry it, and abide by the laws of that state or states you're fine.
Be sure and let us know what you find out....I would hate to get busted for something I didn't mean to do!!! :nixweiss:
Not trying to meddle in your business, but I hope that Truck you're talking about ain't Commercial. Felony for firearm in Commercial Vehicle. Permit is not recognized by authorities.....in any State. Later--HUBBARD
I will, 2k. I used to live by what ol' Richard Petty said, "if you don't get caught, it ain't cheatin'!" But like I said, I'm curious now. It seems the odds in gettin' caught are higher today than they used to be. Guess back in the day, my street cred was more improtant than anything else. Looking back.....I was a phuckin' idiot. Sure am thankful I don't live like that now. Later--HUBBARD
I sold my P238 SAS this past weekend and bought a Kimber Black Crimson Trace Micro .380. While I was doing this I looked at several P938's and then after seeing the post above stating ~$480 I checked at Buds Gun Shop in Lexington who I had bought a few pistols from (No shipping, No tax and local Florida shop handles transfer for $10). There are no under $500 P938's that I could find. I did find a base, no options P238 for that, but it was base model, plastic grips, no night sights, definitely no laser etc. Buds has P938's for ~$600 and a couple at Tampa Gun Show for that. Have a buddy with Fed Lic, he says he has to pay $555 for cheapest P938 so the one in GA for <$500 is a big bargin, where did you buy it? I will drive up for that price and take a couple.
Hubbard, with all due respect, that is not correct. Most companies DO have a no firearms policy as well as many shippers and receivers don't allow firearms on their property. However, there is nothing stating that you can't legally carry a loaded firearm in a commercial vehicle. You are subject to local and state laws just like if you were driving any other vehicle. I've also asked DOT officers in more than one state about this, and they told me the same thing. As long as you're allowed to legally carry it, and abide by the laws of that state or states you're fine.
Okay, guys. I just talked to Corporal Long, WV State Police, Princeton Detachment, (304-425-2101). He told me you cannot legally carry a concealed weapon in a Commercial Vehicle, in the State of WV, with or without, a CCP. He also said it was the "craziest" thing he had ever heard of, especially in todays world, but that was the Law here. I'm not trying to be disagreeable with anybody here, but that's what the Trooper said. Quite frankly, it matters not to me, 'cause when I'm driving, I'm gonna' have a firearm within reach. Later--HUBBARDYou not being disagreeable. The links I posted stated the same... "local/state laws can prohibit but it's not a federal law".
Btw, WV just passed a Bill into Law, that says you do not have to have a CCP to carry a gun, anywhere in the State, if you have a clean record. Later--HUBBARD
Okay, guys. I just talked to Corporal Long, WV State Police, Princeton Detachment, (304-425-2101). He told me you cannot legally carry a concealed weapon in a Commercial Vehicle, in the State of WV, with or without, a CCP. He also said it was the "craziest" thing he had ever heard of, especially in todays world, but that was the Law here. I'm not trying to be disagreeable with anybody here, but that's what the Trooper said. Quite frankly, it matters not to me, 'cause when I'm driving, I'm gonna' have a firearm within reach. Later--HUBBARD
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OK, I'm seeing around what a 190+ pages of post here and many posting their "carry" habits. So, I'm an old guy that has shotguns he used many years ago while pheasant hunting and duck hunting with quail/rabbits and squirrels as an "extra" bonus while out there. Also did some goose hunting years ago along the Missouri River fly way........in Nebraska.
Sadly, I have had no buddies to hunt with now that I'm located in coastal No. Carolina..........and I'm increasingly concerned about the political climate.
I do not have a concealed carry permit and obviously I do not carry a pistol/gun around.............but with current events, I do indeed have some major concerns for my safety and that of my wife and others. I've recently been thinking seriously about taking a concealed carry class and geting a permit to carry..........I will be (extremely concerned) if Hilliary gets the nod to become our next president.
If that happens, I will be first in line locally to sign up for a class and get my permit.......and as a result, some concealable pistol (not sure just what).
My question to all is................those of you that have posted here with the permits and an obvious (love of) guns for protection................How many of you have encountered a real/live situation where your concealed gun saved your azz or avoided an otherwise bad situation. :nixweiss:
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OK, I'm seeing around what a 190+ pages of post here and many posting their "carry" habits. So, I'm an old guy that has shotguns he used many years ago while pheasant hunting and duck hunting with quail/rabbits and squirrels as an "extra" bonus while out there. Also did some goose hunting years ago along the Missouri River fly way........in Nebraska.
Sadly, I have had no buddies to hunt with now that I'm located in coastal No. Carolina..........and I'm increasingly concerned about the political climate.
I do not have a concealed carry permit and obviously I do not carry a pistol/gun around.............but with current events, I do indeed have some major concerns for my safety and that of my wife and others. I've recently been thinking seriously about taking a concealed carry class and geting a permit to carry..........I will be (extremely concerned) if Hilliary gets the nod to become our next president.
If that happens, I will be first in line locally to sign up for a class and get my permit.......and as a result, some concealable pistol (not sure just what).
My question to all is................those of you that have posted here with the permits and an obvious (love of) guns for protection................How many of you have encountered a real/live situation where your concealed gun saved your azz or avoided an otherwise bad situation. :nixweiss:
FWIW: What you are taught in the Concealed class is that you NEVER pull out the weapon unless you are in fear of your life and are prepared to shoot to kill. The old cowboy shoots the aggressor in the arm is not the way it is. Also, you are taught to never pull the gun out just to scare anyone.
:-\if, you have concerns which you stated you did and fears for you and your wifes safety. then take the course and learn that weapon as well as you know the back of your hand! after taking the course and learning to use the firearm of choice and hopefully it gives you the confidence you want to defend yourself. the last question is pointless! take the course and learn to use that weapon. having said all that i hope you never ever use it.
OK, I'm seeing around what a 190+ pages of post here and many posting their "carry" habits. So, I'm an old guy that has shotguns he used many years ago while pheasant hunting and duck hunting with quail/rabbits and squirrels as an "extra" bonus while out there. Also did some goose hunting years ago along the Missouri River fly way........in Nebraska.
Sadly, I have had no buddies to hunt with now that I'm located in coastal No. Carolina..........and I'm increasingly concerned about the political climate.
I do not have a concealed carry permit and obviously I do not carry a pistol/gun around.............but with current events, I do indeed have some major concerns for my safety and that of my wife and others. I've recently been thinking seriously about taking a concealed carry class and geting a permit to carry..........I will be (extremely concerned) if Hilliary gets the nod to become our next president.
If that happens, I will be first in line locally to sign up for a class and get my permit.......and as a result, some concealable pistol (not sure just what).
My question to all is................those of you that have posted here with the permits and an obvious (love of) guns for protection................How many of you have encountered a real/live situation where your concealed gun saved your azz or avoided an otherwise bad situation. :nixweiss:
Have a buddy who is KSP. He read Hubbards post about a "Corporal" making legal statement and laughed. Said you better check with a more informed person before placing yourself in a compromising position.
I have no idea but would think DOT or even a check of state gun laws would be a good idea.
I'll take that advice. As we perform DOT Inspections at the Dealership, I just called my Service Manager, J.D., and asked him to call the DOT Officer, and tell him I wanted to talk to him tomorrow. I'll post his response as soon as he comes up. Later--HUBBARDbetter get it in writing! then get an attorney to reduce it to lay language. then hope the law does not change next week. funny how that 2nd amendant right is explained so simply. but, somehow becomes very complicated depending on where you are. not trying to be a smart alec. you are going about it the right way and will appreciate and looking forward to your post regarding this info. :2vrolijk_21:
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OK, I'm seeing around what a 190+ pages of post here and many posting their "carry" habits. So, I'm an old guy that has shotguns he used many years ago while pheasant hunting and duck hunting with quail/rabbits and squirrels as an "extra" bonus while out there. Also did some goose hunting years ago along the Missouri River fly way........in Nebraska.
Sadly, I have had no buddies to hunt with now that I'm located in coastal No. Carolina..........and I'm increasingly concerned about the political climate.
I do not have a concealed carry permit and obviously I do not carry a pistol/gun around.............but with current events, I do indeed have some major concerns for my safety and that of my wife and others. I've recently been thinking seriously about taking a concealed carry class and geting a permit to carry..........I will be (extremely concerned) if Hilliary gets the nod to become our next president.
If that happens, I will be first in line locally to sign up for a class and get my permit.......and as a result, some concealable pistol (not sure just what).
My question to all is................those of you that have posted here with the permits and an obvious (love of) guns for protection................How many of you have encountered a real/live situation where your concealed gun saved your azz or avoided an otherwise bad situation. :nixweiss:
FWIW: What you are taught in the Concealed class is that you NEVER pull out the weapon unless you are in fear of your life and are prepared to shoot to kill. The old cowboy shoots the aggressor in the arm is not the way it is. Also, you are taught to never pull the gun out just to scare anyone.
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My question to all is................those of you that have posted here with the permits and an obvious (love of) guns for protection................How many of you have encountered a real/live situation where your concealed gun saved your azz or avoided an otherwise bad situation. :nixweiss:
Most of us probably have not, and are thankful for that. But if the day comes, I will be prepared to protect myself and others. I'd suggest you join the NRA along with taking a concealed carry class. The NRA (American Rifleman magazine) publishes a list of people who have used firearms to save themselves from armed intruders and other threats each month.
::) Thanks to all for the feedback. I am indeed a member of the NRA and have been off/on since the 70's (Mostly on....)I have an AR-15 that I purchased primarily for self defense if/when the chit really hits the fan. The way things are going in this country with the huge decrease in military funding, etc., and the influx of illegals from all over the world crossing our unprotected borders we might be in for a heluva fight one day. I'm sure not waiting for anyone to come and protect me and mine. Hope it never comes to that, but if it does I'll be wanting more than a handgun to defend myself. Once they take your "assault weapon" they'll come for the others too. Just a matter of time. Don't let it happen. The real problem in this country is our criminal justice system. The title really does fit: justice for criminals and the hell with everyone else! My 2 cents ;D
I have had and still do have some hangups with certain stances that have come from the NRA. Examples would be making armor piercing ammo available to the general public and also assault type rifles. It's not at all clear to me why someone feels the need to have such weapons.............But that is my perspective.....Not wanting to turn this into any kind of pissing contest over what is or is not necessary. :drink:
I still can't believe the arrogance of the DOT Official I had the miserable occasion to talk to today. Talk about somebody that thinks they are J. Edgar Hoover, would be an understatement. Now listen, guys, I was polite and respectful, but this prick treated me like I was a common thug. First thing he told me was he was instrumental in getting the State to allow DOT officers to carry a gun, and equip their vehicles with Radar, so, as he said, "they could control these idiots out here driving Trucks like they were cars!" He then went on to inform me that, in his view, if a man needs a gun to drive a Truck, he needs to seek other employment. He then said that while it is legal, at this time, to carry a firearm in a Commercial Vehicle in WV, he and his "people", were trying to limit that by getting a law passed that required the gun to be unloaded, and the gun and ammo be placed in a lock box, on the opposite side of the Truck, if you're driving a Day-Cab, and if you're driving a Sleeper Cab, require the gun and ammo be in a lock box, outside the cab, in the side door, under the Sleeper. I was stunned at the drivel that came out of this guys mouth! It was like I was dreaming, and beamed-down into liberal hell! I mean, it was all I could do to not get his ass wound up, but I considered the source, and just listened. What's worse than that is, that's the kind of people we've got out here in the WV DOT. He's been fed all this chit, too, 'cause it's as obvious as the balls on a tall dog, that he lacked the intelligence to be speaking his own words. The one thing he said that did ring true with me was; "don't break the law, and you won't get stopped. If you don't get stopped, you won't get searched." If this moron represents the majority of LEO's here, it's a sad day in the Mountain State. There endeth the lesson. Later--HUBBARDvery sad day indeed! maybe, the law abiding non gun toting public will watch in horror as the bad guys have there way with this humble dot officer. they just do not understand that the majority of us really want to be on their side. oh well! thanks for the update.
RoadDawg, I wasn't directing anything toward you sir, well maybe shoot to kill. :nixweiss: I see the general public lining up to get a CWP and some has no business carrying a firearm. I'll hush up for now. :drink:
Shoot em if ya got em
TN
For many years, I had a very quick temper, and I wore that defect of character as a badge of honor. However, I did have the presence of mind to not go healed into certain environments I had the displeasure of frequenting back then. I'm thankful for that. Hell, I'm alive and free because of that! But today, Ol' Hub has mellowed, or better yet, maybe I've finally grown up, and have become a man. I cherish my life, and the life of my fellow man. I don't pack a gun to show-off, or to project or create fear. I pack it for the protection of my person, my family, and my property, which I love, and that I own. I pray to God Almighty I never have to pull it. Ever. That said, however, I am proficent with a handgun, and I stand ready to defend myself, if, God forbid, the unfortunate situation would come about. But I don't walk around consumed with that. I don't walk around lookin' for somebody to "Bust-a cap" on! Later--HUBBARD
"But having said that, as I write this I'm watching the news about a mass shooting in Florida with 20 dead and 40 wounded. Three hundred in the club. Imagine if only 1/10th of them were armed. Most likely a different ending to a very tragic story if that were "The shooter must not have seen the "No Firearms" sign on the front door...
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Now it has grown to 50 dead, etc. I would agree a few of them armed could have made a difference in the outcome.
The basic CCW course does in no way prepair anyone to carry a firearm.
If you carry get some real training and be proficient. Front Sight, Thunder Ranch (Clint Smith) are just a couple of great training facilities.
The basic CCW course does in no way prepair anyone to carry a firearm.
If you carry get some real training and be proficient. Front Sight, Thunder Ranch (Clint Smith) are just a couple of great training facilities.
Wilson Combat .45. Old school but really well made.
Love your Wilson.
I have a Les Baer and 2 Ed Browns. My next 1911 will be a Bill Wilson edition Wilson Combat.
It appears someone is very knowledgable in quality 1911's! :)
I have had a long time love of 1911's. Learned to shoot a pistol with Grandpa's service 1911 colt. Then got trained by the Navy with a 1911, got my expert marksman medal with a 1911. I have more 1911's than all my other pistols and wife's pistols added together. Most my non-1911 pistols function just like a 1911. My Sig P-238, Sig P-938, Kimber Solo. My 2 plastic pistols have the 1911 grip angle, the XD-40 and the XDS-40.So which P938 you have Dave? I picked up a Talo edition with the night sights and Houge grips on it from the factory. It's that green one that just came out last fall. I've not fired it and not sure I'm even going to keep it. The guy I bought it from had never fired it either. Just not too crazy out the external safties on them and the fact they're SA only. I've got a CZ RAMI coming in next week I'll be picking up.
I have a few Kimber 1911's and a Springfield 1911 along with the others in the last post. One can never have enough 1911's.
Winter I usually carry a Kimber Ultra CDP. Summer its usually the P-938 or now the XDS-40
I still can't believe the arrogance of the DOT Official I had the miserable occasion to talk to today. Talk about somebody that thinks they are J. Edgar Hoover, would be an understatement. Now listen, guys, I was polite and respectful, but this prick treated me like I was a common thug. First thing he told me was he was instrumental in getting the State to allow DOT officers to carry a gun, and equip their vehicles with Radar, so, as he said, "they could control these idiots out here driving Trucks like they were cars!" He then went on to inform me that, in his view, if a man needs a gun to drive a Truck, he needs to seek other employment. He then said that while it is legal, at this time, to carry a firearm in a Commercial Vehicle in WV, he and his "people", were trying to limit that by getting a law passed that required the gun to be unloaded, and the gun and ammo be placed in a lock box, on the opposite side of the Truck, if you're driving a Day-Cab, and if you're driving a Sleeper Cab, require the gun and ammo be in a lock box, outside the cab, in the side door, under the Sleeper. I was stunned at the drivel that came out of this guys mouth! It was like I was dreaming, and beamed-down into liberal hell! I mean, it was all I could do to not get his ass wound up, but I considered the source, and just listened. What's worse than that is, that's the kind of people we've got out here in the WV DOT. He's been fed all this chit, too, 'cause it's as obvious as the balls on a tall dog, that he lacked the intelligence to be speaking his own words. The one thing he said that did ring true with me was; "don't break the law, and you won't get stopped. If you don't get stopped, you won't get searched." If this moron represents the majority of LEO's here, it's a sad day in the Mountain State. There endeth the lesson. Later--HUBBARD
So which P938 you have Dave? I picked up a Talo edition with the night sights and Houge grips on it from the factory. It's that green one that just came out last fall. I've not fired it and not sure I'm even going to keep it. The guy I bought it from had never fired it either. Just not too crazy out the external safties on them and the fact they're SA only. I've got a CZ RAMI coming in next week I'll be picking up.
I got the two tone SAS carry, it has the night sights and rounded edges for carry. The external safety operates just like a 1911, so its natural for me. I have had it just over 18 months now. I really like it, its been 100% reliable as has the P238.Gotcha. All my other guns are striker fire so there's no external safety to mess with. I'd eventually like to start collecting a few 1911's but just haven't progressed into it yet.
Truth about guns had this to say "I really think the P938 is worth it is when you’re used to shooting a hammer-fired pistol with manual safety — especially and particularly a 1911. If you compete with a 1911, target shoot with one, carry one when your attire affords it, etc etc, then the P938 is a no-brainer. Same manual of arms in a carry piece or backup gun as your primary or as what you’re most used to and trained on? Yes, please." which I why I got the gun.
I got the two tone SAS carry, it has the night sights and rounded edges for carry. The external safety operates just like a 1911, so its natural for me. I have had it just over 18 months now. I really like it, its been 100% reliable as has the P238.
Truth about guns had this to say "I really think the P938 is worth it is when you’re used to shooting a hammer-fired pistol with manual safety — especially and particularly a 1911. If you compete with a 1911, target shoot with one, carry one when your attire affords it, etc etc, then the P938 is a no-brainer. Same manual of arms in a carry piece or backup gun as your primary or as what you’re most used to and trained on? Yes, please." which I why I got the gun.
Really, you haven't been stopped in a Comercial vehicle without breaking the law?
Mike, how do you like your Rami?Love it so much I'm now in the process of getting it's bigger brother. the 75 D PCR compact. It'll replace my G23 for my larger carry gun. This damn this is so accurate for a 3" barrel it ain't funny. Recoil is nothing due to the metal frame and the double stack is a damn nice fit in my hand.
Love it so much I'm now in the process of getting it's bigger brother. the 75 D PCR compact. It'll replace my G23 for my larger carry gun. This damn this is so accurate for a 3" barrel it ain't funny. Recoil is nothing due to the metal frame and the double stack is a damn nice fit in my hand.
Here's a pix of it next to my G43..
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Nice! I am really impressed with CZ's. I only have one right now, a CZ75B-SA that I picked up a few months ago but it has quickly become my favorite. A 75 compact is high on the wish list right now, the full size is a pleasure to shoot but a bit heavy for an EDC piece for me.This one here is a DA/SA. That lever you see is the decocker. About an 8.5# first pull and 4# after that. You can carry it fully cocked and is has a firing pin block that will not allow it to fire unless the trigger is pulled. That 4# trigger on the first pull might get a little hairy though. I carry it at half cocked as you see in the pix.
:nixweiss:just added to the aresnal. Kimber
:-\You better be one hell of a shot, quick on the draw & re-cock. Data and statistics have shown that a person (running at you w/a knife) can cover 21 feet before you can draw and fire a weapon. Also data/statistics show that when the poop hits the rotary oscillator your accuracy drops by 50%. For me I'd rather have an automatic weapon w/a magazine that carries the maximum amount my state allows. If needed I will fire until the threat has been eliminated (IMO it will take more than two shots). In this day and age w/the possibility of the bad guy/gal being high on some illegal/legal drugs (which could further increase the ability to stop the threat) I don't want to limit my ability to stop the threat.
I don't wanna crawl back thru 194 pages to see if this arms company has already been covered. Anyway, one of my buddys recently got one of these and it appears to be quality built and I'm thinkin' of gettting one after I get the necessary permits and take the concealed carry course.
Any thoughts on these..........I recognize we're talking only a 2 shot deal and having to re-cock it, but at close range in defense, it would have to be pretty lethal. :confused5:
https://bondarms.com/
You better be one hell of a shot, quick on the draw & re-cock. Data and statistics have shown that a person (running at you w/a knife) can cover 21 feet before you can draw and fire a weapon. Also data/statistics show that when the poop hits the rotary oscillator your accuracy drops by 50%. For me I'd rather have an automatic weapon w/a magazine that carries the maximum amount my state allows. If needed I will fire until the threat has been eliminated (IMO it will take more than two shots). In this day and age w/the possibility of the bad guy/gal being high on some illegal/legal drugs (which could further increase the ability to stop the threat) I don't want to limit my ability to stop the threat.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Might be OK for a New York Reload. ;) Always have at least one 'back-up'. har! spyder
Thanks Mike. I too, bought one in May. Love the gun. Very accurate and it just plain "feels good" in my hands. I just returned from Sturgis, wearing it 5 full days both riding and walking. Never knew it was there. My next purchase will also be a PCR. I just need to find the right one.Just a bump. I normally don't mess with anything on a handgun other than sights and internal polishing but this PCR just begged to be cerokoted.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170428/01c9da855643e5d2d5452b7a2cc522b3.jpg)
Just a bump. I normally don't mess with anything on a handgun other than sights and internal polishing but this PCR just begged to be cerokoted.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170428/01c9da855643e5d2d5452b7a2cc522b3.jpg)
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That looks good Mike! :2vrolijk_21:I did change out a few springs and the firing pin along with polishing up the innards while I had it all apart. Wife was saying the DA was too tough on her skinny little fingers. She has no problems with it now. :2vrolijk_21:
Next we hear you will be in debt to Cajun Gun Works for a trigger job and night sights. Great gun, love me some CZ's.
Mike, your PCR looks nice. I just found one at CGW and am on their 8wk list for a bushing some sights and the pro package. Can't wait to get it back.That should be a very gun to shoot.
The costs are fairly close, and now I'm scratching my head as to which package to go for.One of the big differences between USCCA and the NRA insurance packages is that USCCA provides money right up front for hiring an attorney--NRA does NOT. NRA insurance says they reimburse you only after you are found not guilty or charges are dropped.
Have any of you made the comparisions and decided to switch...........or what comments do any of you all have as to either plan. :nixweiss:
:nixweiss:Geez,,, I thought I was special getting all the "extra" mail from them. I had to use the spam button on my email for them too.
I'm thinkin' that my question is coming too soon after the NRA has decided to (compete) in this market. I've been a long time (on and off again) member of the NRA and for several of the last few years. Getting their monthly magazine and their :-\ two or three times a month......mailings looking for more donations......."Your dues are not enough" ::)
Anyway, up till just very recently, I did not know about the NRA being involved in even offering such an insurance type package as does the USCCA.
So, just maybe noone can really assess the differences in coverage till some time passes and some members have some claim experience to talk about. :confused5:
I'm kinda inclined to go with the USCCA as they have been at this coverage for quite a while I believe and I have seen video clips of members that have had to use their services. As for the NRA similar service, I have seen zero/zip/nada. :oops:
So if true I don't know how USCCA could bypass insurance laws?Here's the CCA statement of benefits: https://d3rmvquxnxa9wt.cloudfront.net/pdf/guides/USCCA_MemberResourceGuide.pdf (https://d3rmvquxnxa9wt.cloudfront.net/pdf/guides/USCCA_MemberResourceGuide.pdf)
Maybe they are in different states? USCCA clearly says they provide $$ up front.
I don't like the way NRA says "(can't) cover criminal acts;" seems like weasel words. We're buying "legal insurance" to cover attorney's fees. (Wonder if we could just get one of those insurance policies that covers legal expenses?)
Just my .02 but having a group that's nationwide and been around for 146 years should have a larger pool of info and resources to rely upon and shouldn't be going bankrupt anytime soon.
What matters is that a solid insurance company is underwriting the policy, not that it's NRA vs. USCCA. The NRA is using Chubb, which seems to be solid; CCA says "This liability policy is issued by United Specialty Insurance Company, a subsidiary of State National Companies, Inc. State National Companies currently writes over $600 million in premiums. United Specialty Insurance Company is rated ‘A’ by A.M. Best."
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Graduated from the Kimber family, really like the way this Wilson Combat Supergrade fits my hand.....like a 5th finger. Never did I think I would pay 5 grand for a pistolNice! You gonna use it for carry or just as a range toy? har! spyder :2vrolijk_21:
Graduated from the Kimber family, really like the way this Wilson Combat Supergrade fits my hand.....like a 5th finger. Never did I think I would pay 5 grand for a pistol
I haven't added any new side arms but I have added two new holsters so I don't have to carry in my vest anymore. Sneaky Pete makes a very nice belt/clip holster that fits my Ruger and I ordered one for my Sig, too. Very nice fit, finish and build quality. Looking forward to using it. They have a holster that fits just about everything and they are brand/model specific. Decent price, too.hey haird!! sneakys holsters fit close to the body? really need something comfortable. i use a inside the boot holster,now. i am afraid when i finally get it out i already be shot or stabbed. i like carrying the s&w j frames. mum, how that indian?
hey haird!! sneakys holsters fit close to the body? really need something comfortable. i use a inside the boot holster,now. i am afraid when i finally get it out i already be shot or stabbed. i like carrying the s&w j frames. mum, how that indian?They do fit close to the body. I got both as belt loop mounts but they have clips, too.
Figured this was as good a place as any to ask for an opinion. I have a S&W and Sig 9MM, an S&W 45 and a few .380's but now I am looking for a 1911. I usually carry the SIG P365 so the 1911 will be mostly a range gun. Looking in the $1500 range. Maybe a Colt Competition? Read some good things about that one, but still undecided. Opinions welcome....I have a Colt M45A1 and Love it. Very accurate.
Mike
Figured this was as good a place as any to ask for an opinion. I have a S&W and Sig 9MM, an S&W 45 and a few .380's but now I am looking for a 1911. I usually carry the SIG P365 so the 1911 will be mostly a range gun. Looking in the $1500 range. Maybe a Colt Competition? Read some good things about that one, but still undecided. Opinions welcome....Next thing to a 1911. Just doesn't have the grip safety.
Mike
Figured this was as good a place as any to ask for an opinion. I have a S&W and Sig 9MM, an S&W 45 and a few .380's but now I am looking for a 1911. I usually carry the SIG P365 so the 1911 will be mostly a range gun. Looking in the $1500 range. Maybe a Colt Competition? Read some good things about that one, but still undecided. Opinions welcome....Lots of good ones for that price. Won't get you a Brown, Baer or Wilson, name is only part of the game. Colt, Kimber, Dan Wesson to name a couple of really good ones that won't break the bank. And if you look at the CZ that OBB recommended, don't let the single action trigger scare you. Not everyone is supposed to carry "cocked & locked"
Mike
Next thing to a 1911. Just doesn't have the grip safety.
CZ Shadow 2. Competition ready out of the box and under your budget amount by a few Bennies
https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-shadow-2-sa/
Lots of good ones for that price. Won't get you a Brown, Baer or Wilson, name is only part of the game. Colt, Kimber, Dan Wesson to name a couple of really good ones that won't break the bank. And if you look at the CZ that OBB recommended, don't let the single action trigger scare you. Everyone is supposed to carry "cocked & locked"
Lots of good ones for that price. Won't get you a Brown, Baer or Wilson, name is only part of the game. Colt, Kimber, Dan Wesson to name a couple of really good ones that won't break the bank. And if you look at the CZ that OBB recommended, don't let the single action trigger scare you. Everyone is supposed to carry "cocked & locked"
Must be in a minority here, but I have had very good luck with the Springfield 1911 line. Have own several over the years and have been very good shootersNot in the minority by any means!! Springfield Armory was founded in 1777 and quickly became known as "Americas Gun"
Not in the minority by any means!! Springfield Armory was founded in 1777 and quickly became known as "Americas Gun"ok ,2k springfield armory is americas gun! no arguement there! so, can you tell me who is americas team in college football?
ok ,2k springfield armory is americas gun! no arguement there! so, can you tell me who is americas team in college football?
Good looking piece....the 17+1 capacity probably makes it unavailable while I am still in NY.....trying to get out of this state as soon as we find a house....then that gun will be possible. Will save the link and check it out. Already have a CZ Carbine on my list.....
I carry either an XDS .45 or an S&W .38 Chief's Special.
On the insurance front, I have the USCCA policy. The biggest reason I chose them over NRA is that NRA won't pay any money until after you are found not guilty. If you're found guilty, NRA doesn't pay at all.
I don't want to withdraw $100,000 for an attorney's retainer fee (yep) from my retirement account (and then pay the taxes on it!). CCA pays right from the start.
I am betting I know that one....Well the Clemson Tigers of course. But the Sooners are a close 2nd :pumpkin: :orange:
Well the Clemson Tigers of course. But the Sooners are a close 2nd :pumpkin: :orange:
Yep. WC Stainless SupergradeQuestion is old man, can you hit anything with it? :D :carrot: :carrot:
Question is old man, can you hit anything with it? :D :carrot: :carrot:Haven't threw it yet :worthless:
Really need to see this one in person.That looks interesting.
Kimber used to be my 1st choice and is a great gun. I had a Super Match that was a tack driver and never had a feed problem in the 5 years I carried it. I would carry it again in a flash. True customs feel better in my hand and when they are fired, but also are $$$$. I have 4 Wilson's, 1 Brown and 1 Baer......I came into a little unexpected money, so I spent it :cucumber:Thank you 2k,
BTW: Kimbers ain't cheap. That Black Ice mjb showed above will tear 2 grand to shreds
Not carrying but I have a Ultra Covert II. Nicely finished, very accurate out of the box, very impressed right up until I tried to take it apart without reading the instructions - who needs instructions for a 1911 :nixweiss:RTFM lol . You’re not the only that had too.
Dave, I have one of the Kimber Ultra Carry II. TLE. As well as 2 other Kimbers an Original Kimber from the original company which was one of the first ones they released, as well as one from the Custom Shop.
Wouldn’t hesitate to buy another. Was hoping my local dealer would bring in another full size TLE in 45.
Ordered a Milt Sparks waist concealed holster for it.
Dave, I have one of the Kimber Ultra Carry II. TLE. As well as 2 other Kimbers an Original Kimber from the original company which was one of the first ones they released, as well as one from the Custom Shop.
Wouldn’t hesitate to buy another. Was hoping my local dealer would bring in another full size TLE in 45.
Ordered a Milt Sparks waist concealed holster for it.
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The UC2 TLE Shoots great
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My favorites though are the H&K Squeeze Cockers P7M8 and P7M13.
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You bought the Kimber, right? If the answer is no.....get yo hinney back to his house, yesterday!! :drummer:Yes and no.... I work with the guy daily and we have got our butts handed to us at work this week, plus with the ice we have on the ground and what they are saying is coming the transaction just hasn't happened
Dave, I have one of the Kimber Ultra Carry II. TLE. As well as 2 other Kimbers an Original Kimber from the original company which was one of the first ones they released, as well as one from the Custom Shop.
Wouldn’t hesitate to buy another. Was hoping my local dealer would bring in another full size TLE in 45.
Ordered a Milt Sparks waist concealed holster for it.
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The UC2 TLE Shoots great
The P7 is the best I have ever shot!
BigLew
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My favorites though are the H&K Squeeze Cockers P7M8 and P7M13.
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/video-crazed-man-attacking-deputy-soaks-up-12-rounds-before-hes-stopped/ (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/video-crazed-man-attacking-deputy-soaks-up-12-rounds-before-hes-stopped/)
And that my friends was a 9mm. No way he carries half that many .45 critical defense. Don't play with your life, if you gonna carry, carry something that talks!!! :2vrolijk_21:
I was talking to a dealer today about the new Kimber Rapide Black Ice. He said the new Kimber's are not as well made as the older ones. He said he wouldn't hesitate to buy an older model, but the new ones...not so much. Anybody have any experience with a recently manufactured Kimber?No experience with Kimber, but I have heard the same thing
I was talking to a dealer today about the new Kimber Rapide Black Ice. He said the new Kimber's are not as well made as the older ones. He said he wouldn't hesitate to buy an older model, but the new ones...not so much. Anybody have any experience with a recently manufactured Kimber?
I was talking to a dealer today about the new Kimber Rapide Black Ice. He said the new Kimber's are not as well made as the older ones. He said he wouldn't hesitate to buy an older model, but the new ones...not so much. Anybody have any experience with a recently manufactured Kimber?
In the words of facebunk, without context .........
What is an older model?
Pistols made in Yonkers?
Pistols made in Yonkers, pre shut down?
In Yonkers before employees found out they were losing their jobs?
Who remembers the quality of 1968-69 HDs compared to 1970+
Pistols made in Alabama?
I have a Kimber Ultra Covert II 45ACP. Very nicely made, and capable of accuracy greater than I am capable of.
Fit and finish is excellent and being a 1911 style, it just fits.
Only negative is the take down procedure. You do not want to pull the slide without reading the directions.
Not as difficult as the Ruger Mark III 22 but can be challenging done wrong.
Duane...How long have you had your Kimber??
You bought the Kimber, right? If the answer is no.....get yo hinney back to his house, yesterday!! :drummer:
Have always carried on the bike, and probably always will. Current favorite carry gun is a SIG P365.
Have always carried on the bike, and probably always will. Current favorite carry gun is a SIG P365.
How is the Kimber different than any other 1911 to disassemble and reassemble?
If you know the right trick, you can disassemble a M1911 by just pulling the slide back and never fuss with the barrel bushing.
To do so, you push the slide lock on the right hand side (the little nub) and the slide lock with pop out and release the barrel. I learned the trick in the Army when I carried a .45.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Learned that trick being a tanker. Could field strip one in 7 seconds and reassemble in 12. The "idiot mark" didn't matter on my issue piece. I don't want it on my Colts though. Never handled many Kimbers the platform seems the same though.The Kimbers will do the same with barrel bushing or slide bushing. Rack slide back till you reach notch and slip the slide lock out