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[motor1]

I added this pan about four years ago. I change my oil several times each season and start by adding 3 quarts and taking her for a long ride so she gets hot. I then check the oil and wind up adding 1 quart. So in spite of the claim of an additional 1.5 quarts available, I’m still at 4 quarts. The pan will not except more than 4 quarts without showing overfill on the dipstick.

[Twolanerider]

I added this pan about four years ago. I change my oil several times each season and start by adding 3 quarts and taking her for a long ride so she gets hot. I then check the oil and wind up adding 1 quart. So in spite of the claim of an additional 1.5 quarts available, I’m still at 4 quarts. The pan will not except more than 4 quarts without showing overfill on the dipstick.

That is interesting.  First I've read of someone experiencing no added volume from the supposedly added volume oil pans.  That had to be frustrating as those pans are expensive.

[motor1]

That is interesting.  First I've read of someone experiencing no added volume from the supposedly added volume oil pans.  That had to be frustrating as those pans are expensive.

It is extremely frustrating as you are well aware the pans listed as an additional 1.5 quarts. My thought was ultimately to run with five and leave it 1/2 quart low. That would give me additional oil capacity but prevent excessive blow by or misting, at least that was my original thought. All for naught.
I always wonder if I should have purchased the Baker oil pan.

[porthole]

Only reason I brought up the baker +1.5 oil pan was to indicate why I didn’t have any data pertaining to my jagg 10 row fan assisted oil cooler as a cooling device.

 Just Ride!

Duane, your +1 pan is a baker?   I’d like to further discuss this sometime, I’ll try to stay on topic.

Phil, yes to the Baker. Lots of pictures somewhere here on the forum. And that is on the SEEG

[Dan_Lockwood]

Don, I see your "new" upgrades are on an older Twin Cam.  I'm not sure, but do the earlier Twin Cams have a different oil pump than the newer '07 and up Twin Cams?

At what point is an oil cooler too much?  What I mean is this, I will be looking for added oil cooling when I build my Harley powered car next winter.  Hayden oil coolers has offered to get me a larger cooler that I can mount that might resemble a radiator for the "look" factor and also added cooling.

Because my cooler and oil tank will be mounted above the oil pump level AND I may be in the range of around 5 qts of oil overall, how much will an '05 oil pump pump, so to speak?  Will it pump the oil through a larger cooler, then into the holding tank and circulate correctly?

Do they make high flow pumps for '05 and earlier?

Just thought I would ask it in your thread, not to hijack it though.

So anyone have any thoughts on how much the oil pump will pump?

Thanks and Don, your new motor looks awesome!

[J.D.]

You can upgrade the "early" Twin Cam camchest with the hybrid camplate kit which both solves the spring-loaded tensioner design flaw plus upgrades the oil pump to the latest design (significantly more flow & scavenging).

https://mstore.harley-davidson.com/store/se-hydraulic-tensioner---oil-pump-upgrade

[Twolanerider]

Dan, the newer oil pump and the the newer hydraulic tensioners are both gained with the hybrid cam plate upgrade.  It's Harley part number 25284-11.  That kit is not everything you'll need.  A set of cam spacers, the mounting hardware kit for cam and crank bolts and of course the gaskets and o-rings.  The cam plate kit is the lion's share though.

Do that kit and the rest of your worries for oil management should be put to rest.  Then do your oil cooler if oil temps in operation make it necessary.

[TN]

Phil, yes to the Baker. Lots of pictures somewhere here on the forum. And that is on the SEEG

Okay, while I don't believe Bakers claim to amount of cooling in temp there are real world factors that are in play. The crossover with exhaust is one, that area on the baker pan is part of their design to aid in cooling by adding more surface area on the inside,  heat from the exhaust has to factor in that situation (if crossover is used.) I also find it interesting you stated that the oil seems to cool off quicker after parked, I never observed that. Just a comparison to stock oil pan and it's obvious that the baker pan is more efficient in aid of cooling to me in some degree(s).

Maybe I need to have my oil pan fan assisted? j/k I do like the increased oil capacity though. I think the M8 has an increased oil capacity vs the twitcam for whatever reason.

Just Ride

I add 4qt 12oz at oil change now vs 3qt on stock.

[Twolanerider]

Ginger Ale?  Oh, that stuff is NASTY .

[Fired00d]

Ginger Ale?  Oh, that stuff is NASTY .

All depends on what it's mixed with... that is TN's garage/workshop.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

All depends on what it's mixed with... that is TN's garage/workshop.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Too true!  And the pretty machining inside that oil pan would have to make anything around it taste better....  Just would.

[TN]

All depends on what it's mixed with... that is TN's garage/workshop.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

I’m never too old to learn, and I ain’t fifty anymore. 

This cryptic message only makes sense on Monday's 

Too true!  And the pretty machining inside that oil pan would have to make anything around it taste better....  Just would.

Their oil pan is purty.           

[HD Street Performance]

The added capacity by itself doesn't help cool the oil, it just takes longer to get hot. The oil pan is a source of cooling and the baker design could help this some. One benefit I see is more time for the oil to lose entrained air.

[Twolanerider]

 One benefit I see is more time for the oil to lose entrained air.

Yuck, take all the entrained air out of the Ginger Ale?  Actually, flat Ginger Ale couldn't be much worse than the normal stuff. 

[porthole]

Okay, while I don't believe Bakers claim to amount of cooling in temp there are real world factors that are in play. The crossover with exhaust is one, that area on the baker pan is part of their design to aid in cooling by adding more surface area on the inside,  heat from the exhaust has to factor in that situation (if crossover is used.) I also find it interesting you stated that the oil seems to cool off quicker after parked, I never observed that. Just a comparison to stock oil pan and it's obvious that the baker pan is more efficient in aid of cooling to me in some degree(s).

Maybe I need to have my oil pan fan assisted? j/k I do like the increased oil capacity though. I think the M8 has an increased oil capacity vs the twitcam for whatever reason.

Just Ride

I add 4qt 12oz at oil change now vs 3qt on stock.

My goal was not the "advertised cooling", I just wanted more capacity.
1 quart doesn't sound like much until you use percentages, then it is a 25% increase.