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[WFP]

OK, trying to do my own 5K service and actrually change the Tranny and Primary Fluid.

Tranny and engine done...Primary is a problem.  First screw, the one on to stripped.  These are T-27 Torx Head.  I drilled it out some and was able to jam in a T-30 and wrestle it out.  Two others came out ok but were tight.  The remaining two....well, remain.  I have broken TWO T-27 Driver bits.  Applied WD-40, still no luck.  One slipped so I am getting close to stripping it...but it is still ok at the moment.

Any suggestions?

And when I install the new ones, I plan on applying Locktite Blue and not over torquing them if this is the best plan.

Also, Do you think they actually removed it at the 1K service if I am having such difficulty?

/Bill

[porthole]

Get your self an impact driver before you do anymore damage and I wouldn't use loctite, just torque it with a wrench.

[porthole]

In case you don't know what an impact driver is.

Looks like the tool below. Put the socket or bit on the fastener, give the tool a slight twist in the direction you want to go and strike it with a hammer.

The hammer blows helps to shock the screw loose while driving the anvil in the direction you want to go

[WFP]

Thanks!

I know about them from work, but don't have one in my tool box ...yet!

In case you don't know what an impact driver is.

Looks like the tool below. Put the socket or bit on the fastener, give the tool a slight twist in the direction you want to go and strike it with a hammer.

The hammer blows helps to shock the screw loose while driving the anvil in the direction you want to go

[AXIL]

  WFP ,  I have to deal with the same problem every day and hers what i do-  never use loctite on small button head fasteners if torqued correctly thy will never come loose, in fact on clutch cover screws I use antisize because of that problem . the 27t socket is the most used torx and you should get a snap on brand socket, if you don't use it for a living it will last a life time.     axil

[Twolanerider]

Five screws?  So the derby cover rather than the service cover?  In either case no reason any of those should ever have been that tight.  They're just 1/4" bolts after all.

The WD-40 won't help from the outside.  Can't penetrate to the threads.  If the socket head of the bolt is rounded out beyond use only a couple of things come to mind.  There are some easy out tools that will sometimes grab on rounded out screws.  It's a crap shoot but worth a shot.  Craftsman has some made to grab an internal socket head or Phillips screw.

Other idea that comes to mind is just that; an idea.  I don't know if the screws come through far enough to protrude on the inside.  If they do, and if they do enough, might pull off the primary cover and grab the other end with a pair of vice graps to break them loose.

[WFP]

My mistake...Clutch Inspection cover!

Five screws?  So the derby cover rather than the service cover?  In either case no reason any of those should ever have been that tight.  They're just 1/4" bolts after all.

The WD-40 won't help from the outside.  Can't penetrate to the threads.  If the socket head of the bolt is rounded out beyond use only a couple of things come to mind.  There are some easy out tools that will sometimes grab on rounded out screws.  It's a crap shoot but worth a shot.  Craftsman has some made to grab an internal socket head or Phillips screw.

Other idea that comes to mind is just that; an idea.  I don't know if the screws come through far enough to protrude on the inside.  If they do, and if they do enough, might pull off the primary cover and grab the other end with a pair of vice graps to break them loose.

[RedDevil]

What primary inspection cover are you talking about?  There isn't an inspection cover on the primary cover of my 07 Jester or 08 SG.  They removed the inspection cover because with the auto tensioner now installed, there's supposedly no need to inspect/tighten the primary chain.  If it is necessary, the whole primary cover must be removed and a new gasket installed.  I hope I'm not missing something here.  

  

[WFP]

Clutch Inspection...removal necessary to re-fill, correct?  Right from the service manual...

What primary inspection cover are you talking about?  There isn't an inspection cover on the primary cover of my 07 Jester or 08 SG.  They removed the inspection cover because with the auto tensioner now installed, there's supposedly no need to inspect/tighten the primary chain.  If it is necessary, the whole primary cover must be removed and a new gasket installed.  I hope I'm not missing something here.  

  

[Twolanerider]

Clutch Inspection...removal necessary to re-fill, correct?  Right from the service manual...

Yeah, my bad.  At the back end of an all-nighter.  Have to cut the old man some slack.

Wasn't thinking about the 07 and newer bikes.  Of course you've only got the one lid.  With the hydraulic clutch on the older models never even have to dick with the derby cover.

[RedDevil]

Clutch Inspection...removal necessary to re-fill, correct?  Right from the service manual...

I saw that you stated it was the Derby cover in an earlier post...that's correct....you need to open that to add the fluid.    You had me scratching my head when you were talking primary inspection cover....

    

[WFP]

Yeah, I ran down to the garage then back up here correcting my post.

/Bill

I saw that you stated it was the Derby cover in an earlier post...that's correct....you need to open that to add the fluid.    You had me scratching my head when you were talking primary inspection cover....

    

[porthole]

Get your self an impact driver before you do anymore damage and I wouldn't use loctite, just torque it with a torque wrench.

[porthole]

Even with the auto tensioner - having the inspection cover is an easy way to pour the oil in without spilling it all over the primary

[WFP]

Torque Wrench

Got that and use it.  

I do not like how tight these are...they should not be impossible to remove...but I will try the impact driver...and new screws everytime.