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Compensator getting it's upgrade
« on: August 30, 2018, 04:48:19 PM »

       I've started the breakdown to upgrade my compensator.  As I was about to drain the primary I noticed oil but not primary oil it turns out that the shifting shaft oil seal had begun to leak.
So off the lift and on the bike for a 45min run to HD dealership to get a seal, that was yesterday so  that killed getting into it by the time i got back
Could not believe it 3.60 for the seal and a major breakdown to replace it I suppose it was just as well it started leaking just now rather than after the work was done because I wouldn't have thought to have replace it. I'd  been well peeeved 
Shifting shaft oil seal is in.
Hopping all goes well I'll have the new compensator in and have it all buttoned  back up tomorrow
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2018, 01:00:37 PM »

All back together up and running,  motor  cranks over and starts up smoother .

Got some what I think is a little  clutch wailing noise that wasn't there before  it's not so bad once it warms up.
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2018, 03:08:25 PM »

Did you change the Primary bearing?
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2018, 03:42:22 PM »

Another job well done.  New shifter shaft seal design is much improved.  Let everything break in before worrying about a bit of whine unless it's remarkably loud.
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2018, 08:45:53 PM »

Did you change the Primary bearing?

 :2vrolijk_21:

Bearing was changed last year. I did give it the once over for any pitting and general condition,  looked good.
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2018, 09:29:34 PM »

Another job well done.  New shifter shaft seal design is much improved.  Let everything break in before worrying about a bit of whine unless it's remarkably loud.

It's an on and off whine,  no noise when running only when at idle.  It also  comes and goes when moving slowly it'll cut out when the clutch is pulled the odd time. 

It is loud very noticeable whine.  I'm going to have pull the cover not sure what  I should check for that could be the cause .

What about alignment  ?   I just thought of it just now,  are these change over compensator assembly 36500034A  a plug and play?   Or do shims sometimes need to be installed . Don't know maybe I'm over thinking it. 

 Actually my first thought was the Hayden tensioner again after being disturbed there was whining noise from that before when I installed it but nowhere  as loud as it is now.   Still it brings me back to why it will cut out the odd time when the clutch is pulled  :nixweiss:
Head scratcher  :-\
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2018, 09:51:46 PM »

Hard to say.  Haven't done a more recent bike but on my '02 the service manual spells out the primary chain alignment.  Wine could be from too much chain tension.  The chain could also just be wearing in a new wear pattern in thr shoe.  Hard to diagnose over the interweb.
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2018, 10:00:35 PM »

Hard to say.  Haven't done a more recent bike but on my '02 the service manual spells out the primary chain alignment.  Wine could be from too much chain tension.  The chain could also just be wearing in a new wear pattern in thr shoe.  Hard to diagnose over the interweb.

That's a thought the chain wearing into the new compensator sprocket.

I'll  have to pull the cover and take a look see what's going on.  Cheers  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2018, 08:24:03 AM »

Well I think I've found the whining noisy issue.
In the pic it shows the compensating sprockets teeth are shiny on the outer edge ( suggesting the sprocket is proud to the clutch)

Have I got the sprocket on the wrong way round?  I thought I had it on the right way but don't know if there's à right or wrong way
Never mind the last line I do have it the right way round  :P

In the second pic you can see where the chain rollers are shiny ( the old sprocket has no shiny spots  on it)

Anyone know what's  going on with this



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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2018, 08:26:33 AM »

Outer side of the chain is shiny from thr teeth
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2018, 01:07:00 PM »

Got it all sorted out I removed the two shiny washers ether side of the thrust washer.

The noise is eliminated 
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2018, 01:38:22 PM »

Good to hear.  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2018, 05:10:08 PM »

Good to hear.  :2vrolijk_21:

Thanks  :2vrolijk_21:
I hope I don't have to see the inside of that primary again for the next 50k  :drink: :drink: :drink: I got more serious things in hand  :drink: :drink: :drink: :huepfenlol2:
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2018, 05:54:47 PM »

Keep us informed. I sincerely hope you get 50k plus.  :drink:
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2018, 04:05:35 AM »

Your shifter shaft mod on your primary case with greese fitting. Is that the seal you replaced?
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2018, 04:50:09 AM »

Your shifter shaft mod on your primary case with greese fitting. Is that the seal you replaced?

No mate,  it was this little sucker that requires a  full primary strip down to replace.  ( location next pic)
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2018, 04:53:20 AM »

Your shifter shaft mod on your primary case with greese fitting. Is that the seal you replaced?

Location is on the transmission behind the inner primary case
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2018, 08:58:29 AM »

The reason I asked is because it looks like you have a seal in the front shifter shaft. My bikes dont have that or the grease fitting. Did you mod that?
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2018, 09:19:37 AM »

There's a bushing on each end of the housing that the front shifter shaft rides in.  Some have grease fittings and some don't.  It's a popular upgrade to drill and tap for one.
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2018, 11:44:45 AM »

The reason I asked is because it looks like you have a seal in the front shifter shaft. My bikes dont have that or the grease fitting. Did you mod that?

It does look like a seal but it's acctuley a rubber damper too cushion the vertical movement would be my guess,  and yes I did do the grease fitting mod. I did it when I had the primary off.

When I pulled the primary that shaft was almost seized in with oxidization and bone dry so I fitted the nipple.
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2018, 09:00:56 AM »

Im about to upgrade my compensator to the screamin eagle version. Looks like I need to do that mod while performing that operation. Thanks for the input.
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2018, 07:49:52 PM »

Im about to upgrade my compensator to the screamin eagle version. Looks like I need to do that mod while performing that operation. Thanks for the input.

You'll see there's two bushings in the bore hole one at ether end.

You may want to have a look at up grading that little shifter shaft seal on the transmission  as you have the primary case off. It's not a big deal to change use a flat edge driver too punch through the seal and pop it out then  a 10mm or a 1/2inch deep socket to put the new one in.
A Warning! 
Tape the spines at the end of the shifter shaft as not to damage the seal when putting it on .  They say to drive that little  seal home (till it seats) by doing that the new seal is seated in the same place on the shaft that the old one sat at. "By doing that it could, not saying that it would  but could leak .

I'm say this because I did what it said too seat it home I got it all back together and the oil seal DID leak I had taken all the precautions.  After taking the new leaking one out (for the second time) I DIDN'T install it all the way (left it a little bit proud) then it didn't leak and is still good.  Thought I'd mention it that it could save you pulling it all off again
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2018, 06:41:37 AM »

Thanks for your input.
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2018, 01:06:00 PM »

Is a Cvo compensation the same as a non cvo
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Re: Compensator getting it's upgrade
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2018, 08:06:18 PM »

Is a Cvo compensation the same as a non cvo

Yes,     this video shows the up grades

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