Topic: Fullsac question (Read 9491 times)

ZVO · « **on:** June 02, 2015, 11:38:29 AM »

Thinking of installing the Fullsac myself. Question is how long is install, did you remove the lower fairing?

Anything else I should know before attempting?

Thank you for any info.

GregKhougaz · « **Reply #1 on:** June 02, 2015, 12:53:37 PM »

How long depends on your wrenching experience, whether you have a good set of tools, whether you've done projects like this before and whether you have the service manual for your bike.

To change baffles: Installing Fullsac Baffles on 09 CVO Road Glide

Changing the headers is easy if you proceed slowly and have an extra set of hands available. The service manual was indispensable, esp. for the torque values. Don't over-tighten the header bolts!

TTS install requires downloading and updating the software, Fullsac sends very good instructions. See attachment.

Proceeding very carefully (And cleaning along the way) and not having done it before, it took two of us about three hours. Hope this helps.

RonandJanet · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2015, 01:06:20 PM »

Thanks for the info. I am pretty good with working on things but I am pretty much by myself so the timing is good to know. I am planning on reviewing the service manual tonight anyway to get an idea of the work involved before I order the stuff. My biggest concern has been the TTS. I have not used anything like this before. I had a fuel pac (I think) once (on a heritage) and I had a shop install it. They could never get the bike right so I ended up taking it off and it was returned. Since then I have just used Harley's tuner and never had any issues. I also don't know if I got the best tune or not.

So how hard is it to get the bike running right? I know Fulsac will help but I am thinking it should be a simple download of a new map and not a big deal. Is that correct?

mark · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2015, 01:29:28 PM »

I'm not a computer guru nor a motorcycle mechanic, but the Fullsac installation was easy and I had no help. The biggest concern - take your time and go slow. Installing the Fullsac map via TTS is easy, just follow the directions. The most time consuming part was grinding the baffle welds. Remember, YouTube is your friend.

If you get stumped, call Fullsac or post on this forum and someone will help.

TNCarters · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2015, 01:57:57 PM »

Related to your original question, I put a FuelMoto 2-1-2 head pipe on my 2015 CVO RGU two weeks ago and you do not have to remove the fairing lowers to change the head pipe. I'm pretty slow doing this and took me 3-4 hours by myself. I think most mechanics with proper tools and lift can easily do this part in a couple of hours. I always have trouble with the crossover gasket and the retainer rings on the flanges at the head. It involves removal of bags, heat shields, right rider floor board, mufflers and pipes. Then put it all back with the different pipe.

ZVO · « **Reply #5 on:** June 02, 2015, 02:38:05 PM »

My buddy just gave me some good tips, he said I'll need a swivel wrench for the front pipe if I don't want to remove the lower fairing.

Also the floorboard only has to be dropped from the back bolt

O2 sensors need to be put back exactly top and bottom don't mix them up

johnbv · « **Reply #6 on:** June 02, 2015, 04:27:40 PM »

Hey ZVO, installing a new Fullsac System takes about 4 hours if you take your time and do it right, I am an average mechanic who takes more time than necessary, but when I am done its right and it took me about 4 hours, I had a great time doing the upgrade. In the end, I did call Steve at Fullsac to help me with the final connection and ECM download from my Laptop, he was great to work with, very patient and in the end, my 2012 FLHTCUSE7 runs GREAT !!!! Like someone else said, the grinding out of the original baffle welds is a PITA, but again, have the right grinder and a new carbide grinding tool, take your time and it will work out fine. I do recommend the new baffle screens inside the factory muffler that holds the packing up against the wall of the factory muffler, they work great !! Again, someone else recommended Youtube, especially for the weld grinding, it will help. Good luck with the Fullsac Mod, you won't be disappointed !!!

ZVO · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2015, 08:15:25 AM »

The pipes are SE Street Cannon slip ons, I plan on using a SE Tuner not the Fullsac TTS.

RonandJanet · « **Reply #8 on:** June 03, 2015, 03:09:00 PM »

ZVO - I was wondering about the SE tuner and if it would work. I will see how your experience is. I have Kuryakyn slip ons so like you I am just thinking of the DX headers (Stainless).

ZVO · « **Reply #9 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:10:30 PM »

Installed full sac headers. Using SE Street Cannons. No decel popping heard, seems to be running great with stock map. Could be because cvos come with stage 1 air cleaner so bike is already tuned for higher air/ fuel mix.

Very happy with the fitmenr of the pipes and fullsac headers.

No tuner used.

Fullsac Performance · « **Reply #10 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:17:58 PM »

Quote from: ZVO on June 07, 2015, 03:10:30 PM

Installed full sac headers. Using SE Street Cannons. No decel popping heard, seems to be running great with stock map. Could be because cvos come with stage 1 air cleaner so bike is already tuned for higher air/ fuel mix.

Very happy with the fitmenr of the pipes and fullsac headers.

No tuner used.

You can get away with puttin around town at light throttle. I would strongly discourage any hiway or heavy throttle
use until you get it properly tuned. You think its running good now? Just wait until it has some fuel!

SG

Don_T · « **Reply #11 on:** June 07, 2015, 07:47:12 PM »

Quote from: ZVO on June 07, 2015, 03:10:30 PM

Installed full sac headers. Using SE Street Cannons. No decel popping heard, seems to be running great with stock map. Could be because cvos come with stage 1 air cleaner so bike is already tuned for higher air/ fuel mix.

Very happy with the fitmenr of the pipes and fullsac headers.

No tuner used.

I installed my Fulsac DX pipe too. I did get the tuner but I have not been able to get the TTS tuner to do any more than get the VIN and ID from the ECM on the bike. I rode the bike about 50 miles yesterday and seemed to do fine. I was real easy on it. I hope to get the tuner issue sorted out soon but I am at a dead end with it.

ZVO · « **Reply #12 on:** June 07, 2015, 08:35:50 PM »

I used the SE Super Tuner last time, and my idle was always bouncing around the 1000 mark never had a steady idle even died on me a few times..it was running lean in first as well but ran perfectly after. just wary of the SE tuner now.

RonandJanet · « **Reply #13 on:** June 08, 2015, 03:25:03 PM »

ZVO - So you have not put any map changes in and she is running good? Interesting.

Anyone, What is the risk running this way just bad performance?

ZVO · « **Reply #14 on:** June 08, 2015, 04:37:11 PM »

Quote from: RonandJanet on June 08, 2015, 03:25:03 PM

ZVO - So you have not put any map changes in and she is running good? Interesting.

Anyone, What is the risk running this way just bad performance?

She is running better than stock I can feel that

98fxstc · « **Reply #15 on:** June 08, 2015, 06:48:44 PM »

Will run pretty good till

Para Bellum · « **Reply #16 on:** June 09, 2015, 02:54:05 AM »

Quote from: RonandJanet on June 08, 2015, 03:25:03 PM

ZVO - So you have not put any map changes in and she is running good? Interesting.
Anyone, What is the risk running this way just bad performance?

Interesting is right. The usual factory map is so lean that any increased air flow makes it ping (detonate), especially under heavy load. Loud pipes might cover the sound of pinging. Wouldn't want to risk engine damage instead of spending the $700-800 for a fuel management system and a dyno tune.

RonandJanet · « **Reply #17 on:** June 09, 2015, 01:01:58 PM »

ZVO, Did you notice the decrease in temperature around the right side? That is one of the benefits I am looking for.

East Coast · « **Reply #18 on:** June 09, 2015, 10:05:37 PM »

Just posted this on another thread...

I installed the DX pipe and 4" Rineharts, the bike fell flat on its face from a dead stop and ran just okay after that. As mentioned above, dont ride it like that to much, get a tuner and map in there.

ZVO · « **Reply #19 on:** June 10, 2015, 10:11:27 AM »

Quote from: RonandJanet on June 09, 2015, 01:01:58 PM

ZVO, Did you notice the decrease in temperature around the right side? That is one of the benefits I am looking for.

I took a ride this morning 30 minutes max and my temp was 189 way cooler than the Normal 221 I was used to prior to Fullsac.

But I do notice some heat on my leg that I did t notice before.

RonandJanet · « **Reply #20 on:** June 10, 2015, 02:13:41 PM »

That is a big drop in temp. My right side is always hot. In summer it will almost burn my leg. That is one of the reasons I want to change the set up. Of course I like the idea of more power as well. I think to get the biggest impact and reduce heat I will need the tuner to adjust the fuel. Is the TTS better than the Harley version? This is not a cheap question but rather an overall value question, what provides the best solution for the least money?

ZVO · « **Reply #21 on:** June 11, 2015, 04:49:16 PM »

Well the Harley one I like because it takes 5 minutes to pop in a new map and the dealer never charges me labor on that.

I don't know anything about the TTS but I hate systems that have to stay on the bike. They add to the look either mourning on the handle bar and you can get info from it like psi, air temp, stuff you have already.

ZVO · « **Reply #22 on:** June 11, 2015, 10:41:53 PM »

Dealer installed a SE Super Tuner and mapped it....i'm sorry to say that there is a big difference in performance...my bike was running lean I was dumb for thinking I didnt need a new map..

She is charging off the line now and im hitting 80 in third with no problem... And getting forth smooths her out...feels so nice.

East Coast · « **Reply #23 on:** June 12, 2015, 09:40:45 AM »

Nice, enjoy the ride!

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RedEagle · « **Reply #24 on:** June 12, 2015, 10:47:07 AM »

Quote from: RonandJanet on June 02, 2015, 01:06:20 PM

Thanks for the info. I am pretty good with working on things but I am pretty much by myself so the timing is good to know. I am planning on reviewing the service manual tonight anyway to get an idea of the work involved before I order the stuff. My biggest concern has been the TTS. I have not used anything like this before. I had a fuel pac (I think) once (on a heritage) and I had a shop install it. They could never get the bike right so I ended up taking it off and it was returned. Since then I have just used Harley's tuner and never had any issues. I also don't know if I got the best tune or not.

So how hard is it to get the bike running right? I know Fulsac will help but I am thinking it should be a simple download of a new map and not a big deal. Is that correct?

When I did mine a few years ago I downloaded the file that Steve sent and it fired up perfect and ran GREAT no changes in four years!!
I am very happy and would do business with Steve any time!! They have earned the trust and reviews that you read here, its no Fluke.
I was worried that the tune would tweaking for my touring style and the altitude in Colorado.....No tweaks needed. I would like to go with aftermarket cams but it just runs so good, I don't want to mess with it until I need to, then I will contact Fullsac and ask what they recommend for me....until then I am spending my money on motel bills..*L

RonandJanet · « **Reply #25 on:** June 12, 2015, 09:59:24 PM »

Great to hear you are running so good now. I bet cooler too!

bjspearman04 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 15, 2015, 08:28:56 AM »

ZVO,

I had the dealer install a fullsac DX header, 2.5 inch baffles into the stock pipe with the SE super tuner. To date, my 2015 hard candy CVO SG runs like xxxx...it continuously backfires on deceleration.

Can you share your initial map settings? I am doing the research today for a good "tuner" in the Virginia Beach area.

HOGMIKE · « **Reply #27 on:** June 15, 2015, 08:46:42 AM »

Quote from: bjspearman04 on June 15, 2015, 08:28:56 AM

ZVO,

I had the dealer install a fullsac DX header, 2.5 inch baffles into the stock pipe with the SE super tuner. To date, my 2015 hard candy CVO SG runs like xxxx...it continuously backfires on deceleration.

Can you share your initial map settings? I am doing the research today for a good "tuner" in the Virginia Beach area.

IMHO, if you paid your dealer to do the upgrades you mentioned above on a 40K bike purchase, I would check with them first to make things right.
They have the same resources we do. There is no excuse for poor customer service/sales!
If that option is off the table you came to the right place for direction to a good tune in your area.
I'm on the west coast, so, can't help much.

bjspearman04 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 15, 2015, 12:41:54 PM »

Thanks for the reply, Mike. I agree, the dealership should make the necessary adjustments to ensure my bike runs efficiently. However, their current level of work/expertise has my $40k machine runnning very poorly at best.

I spoke directly with the "certified technician" and his recommendation was to ride the bike and see if I wanted him to adjust the amount of fuel the bike gets on deceleration to stop the backfiring....So, the bike was turned back over to me in the same condition as I took the bike if for...backfiring on decelartion.

Believe I will be better off hunting down a "tuner" getting my SG properly tuned before something goes WAY wrong. I expressed my dissatifaction directly with one of the owners and got the usual, "we'll make it right for you". But to date, it has just caused me riding time and a great deal of angst. I am hopeful that the service department leadership will recognize the training gap and move to get his staff up to par with tuning the 2015 SG with a SE Super Tuner, Fullsac DX, 2.5 core and stock pipes.

Again, appreciate the feeback.

East Coast · « **Reply #29 on:** June 15, 2015, 03:58:04 PM »

Folks have been saying a lot of positive things about Wide Open Cycles, call Chad.

Wide Open Cycles Performance & Tuning
310 Central Rd
22401 Fredericksburg, VA.

phato1 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 15, 2015, 07:59:19 PM »

And he's one of our vendors here on the site.

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=100764.0

ZVO · « **Reply #31 on:** June 16, 2015, 12:27:37 AM »

I will try and get the dealer to let me snap a pic of the numbers

harleytuner · « **Reply #32 on:** July 05, 2015, 12:08:56 PM »

Quote from: bjspearman04 on June 15, 2015, 12:41:54 PM

Thanks for the reply, Mike. I agree, the dealership should make the necessary adjustments to ensure my bike runs efficiently. However, their current level of work/expertise has my $40k machine runnning very poorly at best.

I spoke directly with the "certified technician" and his recommendation was to ride the bike and see if I wanted him to adjust the amount of fuel the bike gets on deceleration to stop the backfiring....So, the bike was turned back over to me in the same condition as I took the bike if for...backfiring on decelartion.

Believe I will be better off hunting down a "tuner" getting my SG properly tuned before something goes WAY wrong. I expressed my dissatifaction directly with one of the owners and got the usual, "we'll make it right for you". But to date, it has just caused me riding time and a great deal of angst. I am hopeful that the service department leadership will recognize the training gap and move to get his staff up to par with tuning the 2015 SG with a SE Super Tuner, Fullsac DX, 2.5 core and stock pipes.

Again, appreciate the feeback.

There's no reason your setup can't be dialed in. If I can help just give me a shout. (540)899-7793

Chad

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