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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2011, 06:59:51 AM »

I was told that the problem was with the Andrews pulleys, not the belts. (There is a post here where someone had the belts tested and the Gates tested better than the Falcon.) There are plenty of guys out there with the Harley Trike or Baker pulleys that have had no problems.
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2011, 10:01:30 PM »

I was told that the problem was with the Andrews pulleys, not the belts. (There is a post here where someone had the belts tested and the Gates tested better than the Falcon.) There are plenty of guys out there with the Harley Trike or Baker pulleys that have had no problems.

I don't know how you came to that conclusion- I don't think people on this forum that had the broken belts even mentioned which brand pulley they were running, so I don't think anyone could say that was the common denominator.

I think the Baker, Andrews, and HD trike belts are all steel and not aluminum. I know with my old Yamaha Warrior, the word was to stay away from the aluminum pulleys vs the steel, but I don't think that was because of breaking belts.
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2011, 08:47:13 AM »

Don't know about this site but there are several comments that come up if you google Andrews 30 tooth causing belt brakage. I'm not saying if this is true or not, but below is one post from another fourm that takls about a possible issue with the Andrews pulley, it from 09, so this may have been changed now.

We compared the original pulley with the Andrews 30 tooth steel pulley that was used in both cases of premature belt breakage. The immediate observation was that the contact patches on each tooth were much smaller compared to the original part. We measured the tooth width and found the Andrews one to be about 2/10" smaller. On closer inspection we could see rub marks at the bottom of the teeth that extended to the bottom of the grooves. This indicates a relative movement of some sort that should not be there. The original HD belt with 5000 miles on it shows is micro-fractured on in the inside showing countless hairline fractures. I will post some pictures in a few days.
IMHO the pulley's geometry is off and the combination of a heavy bike, increased torque and the smaller diameter pulley with dimensional problems kills the modern fiber reinforced belts. I will not put an Andrews 30 tooth belt on any bike anymore after this experience.

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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2011, 06:49:27 PM »

I've had good luck with mine. I have 40000 mi on Andrews pulley, 51100 on bike with original belt.
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2011, 09:08:59 PM »

Well then, maybe you guys are on to something- would be interested to hear what brand pulley the broken belt guys were running. If everyone answers "Andrews", then I guess we got our answer.
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2011, 09:07:17 PM »

i stripped a falcon belt after 2000 miles,  and a 4 ft wheelie,  replaced it with the same, havent had a problem since, and i have  the andrews 30 th pulley
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2011, 01:57:04 AM »

I almost made 6000 miles.. mine broke...

I adjusted at 1000 miles, and was fine when I had the bike apart for cleaning.....

Then... riding in traffic let out clutch and nuttin...  :soapbox: :soapbox:

Push bike off the raod and see the belt hanging.... looks like the inner cord just broke... :(

maybe I shouldnt have washed it?

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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2011, 12:25:34 PM »

I have the Gates 139 tooth on my 11 SESG 18.5 K so far no problems
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2011, 08:35:25 PM »

Have broke 2 and stripped the teeth on a third one. Every time it has been when tire has got hot and hooked up good. Normal riding never had a problem, always been playing when I broke them. got 5000 miles on the last one so far but might try to go with trike belt if I can find a sprocket for it and it clear the tire. Wife has andrews pulley on her trike and no problems (but she dont launch like I do sometimes)
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2011, 09:49:03 PM »

I have the Gates 139 tooth on my 11 SESG 18.5 K so far no problems


What pulley are you using on your bike?
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2011, 11:34:03 AM »

HD has a 1 tooth shorter belt available and i have it installed on my bike. It's PN- 40056-07. My ride is an 07 FLHTCUSE2 with a Baker 30 tooth trans pulley (steel) and a 66 tooth ids rear. No visible signs of trouble so far and it's coupled to a 120r and a rider with attitude problems.
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2011, 03:06:25 PM »

HD has a 1 tooth shorter belt available and i have it installed on my bike. It's PN- 40056-07. My ride is an 07 FLHTCUSE2 with a Baker 30 tooth trans pulley (steel) and a 66 tooth ids rear. No visible signs of trouble so far and it's coupled to a 120r and a rider with attitude problems.

Thats a 136T belt... wont work for those with the 09SERG
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2011, 09:11:51 PM »

HD from a 2011 trike part number 83595-11
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2011, 09:50:32 PM »

HD from a 2011 trike part number 83595-11

OK.. thats the pulley number.....
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Re: 30 Tooth Conversion----What's the deal with Belts Breaking?????
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2011, 12:20:57 AM »

PC-139-1 139T-1 INCH WIDE from belt drives ltd. is the Gates belt I have on now seems to be holding up so far so good.
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