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Title: 2023 CVO's
Post by: divedolphin on September 22, 2022, 02:07:42 PM
I have not been on the forum very much.

Does anyone know if Harley will be making 2023 CVO's? I know they were generally released in late August.

Ralph
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on September 22, 2022, 06:51:19 PM
Jan/Feb timeframe. The August thing has been over for a few years.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: rayson56 on September 22, 2022, 07:13:05 PM
I couldn't find anything online so I stopped in my local dealership a week or so ago and they said January. It'll be Harleys 120th anniversary. Hopefully they do something worthy.  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Mr D on September 23, 2022, 12:01:43 AM
I couldn't find anything online so I stopped in my local dealership a week or so ago and they said January. It'll be Harleys 120th anniversary. Hopefully they do something worthy.  :nixweiss:

For what it’s worth the MoCo made big changes the following year after a anniversary year
I.e ‘03 100th…..’04 SEEG intro….’08 105th….’09 new touring frame….’13 110th….’14 Rushmore intro

But, there’s new vision at the helm today, so we riders can only hope, anticipate that the bean counters keep the MoCo heritage that Willie G breathed life into this great company
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on September 23, 2022, 07:10:38 AM
Modern Frame and suspension would be nice for the touring line.  Current frame is very outdated.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: JCZ on September 23, 2022, 09:06:53 AM
For what it’s worth the MoCo made big changes the following year after a anniversary year
I.e ‘03 100th…..’04 SEEG intro….’08 105th….’09 new touring frame….’13 110th….’14 Rushmore intro

But, there’s new vision at the helm today, so we riders can only hope, anticipate that the bean counters keep the MoCo heritage that Willie G breathed life into this great company

It was at Harley's 100th Anniversary that I actually laid eyes on the 04 SEEG.  I had actually placed my order with the dealership a couple of weeks prior to that as they had the literature and brochures.  I actually got it in Nov. 03.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: GregKhougaz on September 23, 2022, 11:28:44 AM
Modern Frame and suspension would be nice for the touring line.  Current frame is very outdated.

Absolutely.  :coolblue:  Harley-Davidson has a long way to catch competitors is these areas and horsepower.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Ironhorse on September 23, 2022, 04:11:20 PM
Absolutely.  Harley-Davidson has a long way to catch competitors is these areas and horsepower.

I have always said that for an aging market with riders who have arthritis, replaced/repaired knees, hips, backs and shoulders you would think Harley would build bikes with DCTs, reverse and motorized windscreens.

Don't get me wrong, I love my CVO and am keeping it.  But the power, comfort and amenities that come on my Gold Wing keeps the CVO parked most of the time.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Mr D on September 23, 2022, 07:07:15 PM
Absolutely.  :coolblue:  Harley-Davidson has a long way to catch competitors is these areas and horsepower.

My metro Milwaukee dealer dropped a hint that the ‘23 CVO RG
Will have a mono shock frame,  the Rev max powertrain 🤷🏻‍♂️ & be a mid year intro before the 120th party in Milwaukee
Shall be interesting to follow  :vrolijk_11:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on September 24, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
My metro Milwaukee dealer dropped a hint that the ‘23 CVO RG
Will have a mono shock frame,  the Rev max powertrain 🤷🏻‍♂️ & be a mid year intro before the 120th party in Milwaukee
Shall be interesting to follow  :vrolijk_11:
RevMax is a great engine and would require a different tune.  Add a mono shock frame it sure would be a step in the right direction. 

Love my 19 CVO, but the engine and suspension on my Pan America is light years ahead of it.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: TN on September 24, 2022, 10:34:02 AM
My metro Milwaukee dealer dropped a hint that the ‘23 CVO RG
Will have a mono shock frame,  the Rev max powertrain 🤷🏻‍♂️ & be a mid year intro before the 120th party in Milwaukee
Shall be interesting to follow  :vrolijk_11:

I like this rumor, they need a new roadrace platform to build upon.  :orange:   

I need a new bike too  :drink:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: SHRADER on September 24, 2022, 07:06:18 PM
Rumors from dealerships are usually about as accurate as your local palm reader. They generally find out stuff about CVO's days or hours before the public does. Harley generally does not share info about upcoming production outside the company and then it is only on a need to know basis, and only potential suppliers fall into the category.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HOGMIKE on September 25, 2022, 08:55:03 AM
RevMax is a great engine and would require a different tune.  Add a mono shock frame it sure would be a step in the right direction. 

Love my 19 CVO, but the engine and suspension on my Pan America is light years ahead of it.

Dave, like you I dumped a bunch of $$$ into my 2019 limited to get the performance and ride to my liking and riding style.
Harley could have done this years ago but IMO they ran “old technology “ as long as they could to milk the last dollar of profit until the competition took some of their market.

I think riders are now demanding a better bike, not just new paint. Look at rear shocks, same basic shock from 1984? How many BMW riders Change shocks at purchase?

I friend of mine worked in R&D in the 80’s and was so excited about 4valve heads, OHC, many ideas and testing that never made it past the accounting department.

I’m on a road trip into the second week. Loaded to the gills. BSR along. We are comfy, hit rain, hail, snow, winds mountain roads, long stretches of 2 lane, cruise at 75-85 when we can, no problem passing a line of cars (thanks Suburban Speed). Engine running very nice. Grudge box overdrive is great.

I’m thinking Harley will likely put the 131 into the lineup if they get CA approval and MORE fancy paint for the diehards. The new engine platform will SLOWLY emerge sometime in the future.
No matter what Harley comes out with, I’m on my last Harley.

JMHO and wish list.
 :soapbox:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: CVODON on September 26, 2022, 04:48:14 PM
Since CVO's originally became available I have never heard of a dealer "We Heard" being true. NEVER. Not from the GM or a uniformed salesman. Nor on this site.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Twolanerider on September 26, 2022, 05:31:35 PM
This is the first year that I'm so thoroughly disinterested I don't even care about the potential CVO Servicar....
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: SIKBIRD on September 26, 2022, 10:39:00 PM
I’m riding an 18 year-old CVO…plenty of power to scare the crap out of me. Suspension concerns; meh, after all it’s still a motorcycle.  The only thing I have to complain about is the price tag as eventually I will probably have to buy a new-ish one.  At the risk of being jumped on, I’m just not a fan of the M8 (yes, i have ridden one) I imagine the Evo loyalists said the same thing about the Twin Cam.  Guess I’m just an old soul stuck in a 48 year-old body.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: blown alcohol on October 02, 2022, 07:14:20 AM
For what it’s worth the MoCo made big changes the following year after a anniversary year
I.e ‘03 100th…..’04 SEEG intro….’08 105th….’09 new touring frame….’13 110th….’14 Rushmore intro

After the 95th anniversary in 1998, they came out in 99 with the twin cam in touring/dyna models
The electrical system was upgraded also in 04 after the 03. So, it does seem like nice changes after anniversary models.

Harley has that " it's an anniversary year, bikes will sell their self" attitude.
2023 may not be a good year to buy if you like the latest and greatest.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: BigLew on November 04, 2022, 10:55:32 AM
This is the first year that I'm so thoroughly disinterested I don't even care about the potential CVO Servicar....
X2
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Jbbrown73 on November 04, 2022, 01:11:36 PM
I hope they do major changes and make the new ones light years ahead of current ones. Maybe then the price of the 2-3 year old ones will come down to something tolerable.  :orange: :huepfenjump3: :soapbox:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on December 28, 2022, 06:10:05 PM
https://www.motorcycle.com/new-model-preview/leaked-2023-harley-davidson-touring-cvo-and-120th-anniversary-models.html
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Tail Rider on January 01, 2023, 08:34:40 AM
For what it’s worth the MoCo made big changes the following year after a anniversary year
I.e ‘03 100th…..’04 SEEG intro….’08 105th….’09 new touring frame….’13 110th….’14 Rushmore intro

But, there’s new vision at the helm today, so we riders can only hope, anticipate that the bean counters keep the MoCo heritage that Willie G breathed life into this great company
Was going to say the same thing...the "Anniversary" thing seems to be badge only or maybe the addition of a special color. But, the following year offers some physical changes... :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Fired00d on January 18, 2023, 11:01:51 AM
https://youtu.be/TI8i9jyysu4

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fire00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: acevtwin on January 18, 2023, 11:31:23 AM
I think my video skipped a couple segments. Or did they not show the new CVO's?
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Fired00d on January 18, 2023, 11:36:34 AM
I think my video skipped a couple segments. Or did they not show the new CVO's?
Only showed one (CVO RG Ultra).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Finster101 on January 18, 2023, 11:40:24 AM
I am less than enamored with the video of some German guy describing "our freedoms" and "our culture".  I understand that Harley is now a global company, but this video I don't think is very well written or produced for the American market.  Just my two cents.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: blown alcohol on January 18, 2023, 11:53:47 AM
101, you’re not alone
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: RivRaptor on January 18, 2023, 12:05:52 PM
Well at least my bike's gonna hold its value a little longer!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: danner55 on January 18, 2023, 12:14:11 PM
New CVO Road Glide $51,999!

Looks like mine will last my lifetime!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: mjb765 on January 18, 2023, 12:35:04 PM
New CVO Road Glide $51,999!

Looks like will last my lifetime!

The MoCo has reached a new level of ridiculousness (is that even a word??).......
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: DCFIREMANN on January 18, 2023, 02:24:37 PM
The MoCo has reached a new level of ridiculousness (is that even a word??).......

Yes they have BUT look at it on the bright side, there will only be 1500 made!!!! LOL

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on January 18, 2023, 04:46:12 PM
The MoCo has reached a new level of ridiculousness (is that even a word??).......
Plus $850 prep plus $1200 surcharge, now youre talking $54k+ before dealer markup, tax, tags etc. Youre talking $58-$60k OTD now.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Ironhorse on January 18, 2023, 05:09:11 PM
Plus $850 prep plus $1200 surcharge, now youre talking $54k+ before dealer markup, tax, tags etc. Youre talking $58-$60k OTD now.

And they KNOW, someone will pay that for it.  It might not be one of us,.....or it MAY be one of us.  But there will always be a buyer.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: RivRaptor on January 18, 2023, 05:45:54 PM
Plus $850 prep plus $1200 surcharge, now youre talking $54k+ before dealer markup, tax, tags etc. Youre talking $58-$60k OTD now.
I've seen 2 CVO Limiteds in stock around here and they were 62K plus tax & reg, which around here is just under 70K.  So....that 23' is gonna be closer to 75K here!  By the way, the show rooms were packed with 22's and some 23's trickling in. (Couldn't tell 22's from 23's without looking at the sticker) I have my doubts that they can make a profit selling only to a few suckers /rich guys, prices have to come down or at least give us something more than paint!  I was considering selling my bike, and if I do, a new HD may not be the replacement, sad!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: KGB on January 18, 2023, 07:01:07 PM
It looks like a 1980 Honda Goldwing, google it!


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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: OBB on January 18, 2023, 07:59:31 PM
It looks like a 1980 Honda Goldwing, google it!


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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: SIKBIRD on January 18, 2023, 08:01:47 PM
So only 1 CVO and only available in 1 color?
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Steve_G on January 18, 2023, 08:10:38 PM
Been a while
I’m still happy with my Mellow Yellow “Chiquita”. 
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Scott7d on January 18, 2023, 09:31:18 PM
I was just barely ok with paying $41k for a brand-new CVO. At $52k, I'd rather buy a really nice used Corvette. This is seriously unbelievable.

I've seen 2 CVO Limiteds in stock around here and they were 62K plus tax & reg, which around here is just under 70K.  So....that 23' is gonna be closer to 75K here! 

The funny this is, it probably cost maybe a few thousand dollars more to manufacture a CVO compared to a standard model. But the markup is more ridiculous than movie theater popcorn.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: OBB on January 18, 2023, 09:37:10 PM
So only 1 CVO and only available in 1 color?
More models and colors to come later they said in the video

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: TN on January 18, 2023, 09:59:21 PM
It looks like a 1980 Honda Goldwing, google it!


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 :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:


Maybe it's just me but I found the blue haired gal introducing the blue Road Glide Freewheeler making a fashion statement.

I'm already there.  ;D 

Video to follow soon.  :drink:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: SIKBIRD on January 18, 2023, 10:00:24 PM
Gotcha, I didn’t bother with watching the video but I did look on the H-D website
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on January 19, 2023, 01:22:56 AM
And they KNOW, someone will pay that for it.  It might not be one of us,.....or it MAY be one of us.  But there will always be a buyer.
Won’t be me! I bowed out of the cvo market last year after owning several since 2004.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Eqcons on January 19, 2023, 05:35:49 AM
So, only CVO is a road glide, and it's - to my eyes - fugly.  But the price in the UK is £50677  "Starts from" £50395, but the little hidden note says "Vehicle prices listed do not include an additional MSRP surcharge of £235 + vat (due to extraordinary raw materials and transportation costs) which is added to all MY23 Motorcycles and Trikes."  which takes it to the £50677.   Translating that to US$, that's $62555.69 at the current exchange rate.   Now sorry, but anyone who pays that - or any figure approaching that - for one of these, would really be better spending their money on some serious help for their mental illness!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Landshark on January 19, 2023, 07:53:57 AM
I guess there is no limit to what Harley will charge for MSRP!  And even worse, what Dealers will charge as additional mark up. If I sold all 6 of my bikes, it still wouldn't be enough to cover the cost of the $52,000+ new CVO. Sure glad I don't want one. Best of luck to HD, they may need it.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: porthole on January 19, 2023, 09:29:48 AM
New CVO Road Glide $51,999!

Looks like mine will last my lifetime!

Same here - with my really outdated frame  :cherry:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: porthole on January 19, 2023, 09:34:45 AM
I was just barely ok with paying $41k for a brand-new CVO. At $52k, I'd rather buy a really nice used Corvette.


Same here. And it that price range there were multiple cars at this past weekends Mecum auction that fit the bill.

But the markup is more ridiculous than movie theater popcorn.


The markup to MSRP on the 2005 SEEG's was $5,000, and most sold for MSRP.
With the cost of everything I wouldn't be surprised if the markup is still the same.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Fired00d on January 19, 2023, 01:30:03 PM
Same here - with my really outdated frame  :cherry:
They are outdated and almost ready for antique tags... but I'm still not getting a new one. ;D

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Mano on January 19, 2023, 02:59:30 PM
The MoCo has reached a new level of ridiculousness (is that even a word??).......

With the exchange rate and higher taxes north of the U.S. boarder that is well over $80 000 CAN. :rolleyes4: :rolleyes4:
And no upgrades. :o
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: blownaway on January 19, 2023, 06:55:31 PM
$51,999, Grrrr... That is just too much. I could MAYBE justify 44-46K but $51,999 I'm thinking of getting either an 2023 Road Glide Limited Vivid Blk with Chrome or Atlas Silver with Black. That way I can maybe take delivery will a stage one and 12" bars, maybe even LED's with a 7 year ext warranty with wheel/tire coverage. I would be reluctant to do anything to a brand new CVO for the price paid. I think I can get a dealer to sell my new 23 bike with the HD warranty and stage one included in the sale, but we'll see I guess....
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: BigLew on January 20, 2023, 04:56:23 PM
1600 BMW?

BigLew
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HOGMIKE on January 20, 2023, 09:32:49 PM
How about a 2022 Vette?
 :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 22, 2023, 09:04:50 AM
The MoCo has reached a new level of ridiculousness (is that even a word??).......
No, its 54K you're forgetting the 1200 surcharge and the 899 freight.  Then I bet most dealers will add set-up and doc fees.  Don't forget tax and tags.  So if the dealer doesn't add set up or doc fee, its 57,800

This for a 14 year old frame, out dated suspension technology.  Every touring bike on the market has better suspension, and handling.  Most have more power and much better ride modes.  7K increase from last year.

Corvette was a Complete redesign in 2014.  Was 56K base.  2020 it was a complete redesign and went to mid engine.  Base was under 60K.  You got a whole lot for the 4K price increase over 6 years.

Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: SDCVO on January 22, 2023, 11:24:30 PM
I get it's crazy expensive and candidly not my cup of tea anyway with all the chrome but who wants to drive a Corvette anyway. Personally, I would always take an American motorcycle over an American sports car at any price!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 23, 2023, 07:18:44 AM
I get it's crazy expensive and candidly not my cup of tea anyway with all the chrome but who wants to drive a Corvette anyway. Personally, I would always take an American motorcycle over an American sports car at any price!
My CVO Road glide sees more miles a year than my 18 Corvette has.  My Corvette has 26K miles, the 19 CVO has 61K miles and I ride other bikes too.  Usually put 24K on motorcycles a year.

Point was Chevy gives you a complete new car, no shared parts, with a small price increase.  Harley gives you new paint and parts they have been using since 09 for a 7K price increase.  Corvette redesigned twice while Harley is on same 09 frame
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: DCFIREMANN on January 23, 2023, 08:40:53 AM
Same here. And it that price range there were multiple cars at this past weekends Mecum auction that fit the bill.

The markup to MSRP on the 2005 SEEG's was $5,000, and most sold for MSRP.
With the cost of everything I wouldn't be surprised if the markup is still the same.


Actually the markup was 8K on the CVO's and 5k on the touring line. Back in 04 and 05 the SEEG was almost impossible to come by at MSRP!!!! But a deal was out there if you looked.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Finster101 on January 23, 2023, 02:11:33 PM
My CVO Road glide sees more miles a year than my 18 Corvette has.  My Corvette has 26K miles, the 19 CVO has 61K miles and I ride other bikes too.  Usually put 24K on motorcycles a year.

Point was Chevy gives you a complete new car, no shared parts, with a small price increase.  Harley gives you new paint and parts they have been using since 09 for a 7K price increase.  Corvette redesigned twice while Harley is on same 09 frame



Plus as a bonus, lifters are not nor ever have been considered a maintenance item on a Corvette
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 24, 2023, 07:00:28 AM


Plus as a bonus, lifters are not nor ever have been considered a maintenance item on a Corvette
My Harleys are the only vehicles I have ever owned that lifters are a maintenance item.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: CVODON on January 26, 2023, 03:26:39 PM
Actually the markup was 8K on the CVO's and 5k on the touring line. Back in 04 and 05 the SEEG was almost impossible to come by at MSRP!!!! But a deal was out there if you looked.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

I ordered my 05 Red SEEG on July 31st sight unseen and recieved it on October 5th. Checked all the local dealers then, we had 4, all were MSRP and I used the one I bought from because they were the only one to offer free first oil change.
None of them asked for set-up or mark-up. I can not believe anyone paid over but $8K is just crazy.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Cat Eye on January 26, 2023, 10:58:24 PM
Harley is preparing for a recession.
One CVO model for those that have recession-proof deep pockets.

Inflation is eroding discretionary spending
Rising interest rates
Global Unrest
Pandemic

Harley would rather be undersold than have thousands for unsold motorcycles around the world.

Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: mrmagloo on January 27, 2023, 01:37:00 PM
FWIW, it's been a great ride with 3 CVO's, and many others prior over the last 40 years, but between the skyrocketing costs, and the total dealership destruction that Harley subsidized in the Chicago metro area and beyond, I'm done.

I remember the old days of stopping at the local dealer on the way home every week or two, who KNEW YOU BY NAME, I used to enjoy our chats about what's coming, industry news, and just friendly talk.  When Harley pushed all of the owners to the big boxes or took the business away, and helped this Ozzie joker take them all over - who right away took away the HOG benefits, installed used car salesmen who know nothing about bikes, and got rid of the experienced parts guys and techs, it was clear things were going down a dark path. The icing on the cake was when the Harley Advisory Panel became more about asking about how much you make.

Last spring, I bought a new Honda 6sp Goldwing Tour - Best decision I ever made. Although I won't sell the Harley, I gotta say I'm mighty impressed with the GW.  Two other guys in my group jumped ship to GW's too.  When I saw the 2023 Harley unveiling, all I could do was chuckle.  Kind of sad to see, but what do you do?

Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: smkymtnboy on January 27, 2023, 06:46:08 PM
FWIW, it's been a great ride with 3 CVO's, and many others prior over the last 40 years, but between the skyrocketing costs, and the total dealership destruction that Harley subsidized in the Chicago metro area and beyond, I'm done.

I remember the old days of stopping at the local dealer on the way home every week or two, who KNEW YOU BY NAME, I used to enjoy our chats about what's coming, industry news, and just friendly talk.  When Harley pushed all of the owners to the big boxes or took the business away, and helped this Ozzie joker take them all over - who right away took away the HOG benefits, installed used car salesmen who know nothing about bikes, and got rid of the experienced parts guys and techs, it was clear things were going down a dark path. The icing on the cake was when the Harley Advisory Panel became more about asking about how much you make.

Last spring, I bought a new Honda 6sp Goldwing Tour - Best decision I ever made. Although I won't sell the Harley, I gotta say I'm mighty impressed with the GW.  Two other guys in my group jumped ship to GW's too.  When I saw the 2023 Harley unveiling, all I could do was chuckle.  Kind of sad to see, but what do you do?
understood!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Ironhorse on January 27, 2023, 08:52:03 PM
Last spring, I bought a new Honda 6sp Goldwing Tour - Best decision I ever made. Although I won't sell the Harley, I gotta say I'm mighty impressed with the GW.  Two other guys in my group jumped ship to GW's too.  When I saw the 2023 Harley unveiling, all I could do was chuckle.  Kind of sad to see, but what do you do?

I'm right there with you, bought my GoldWing in 2021 and have not looked back.  Like you I kept the CVO, but I'm loving the GW too.  And my favorite question to the MoCo, as your target audience grows older and face bad knees, hips, shoulders, feet, hands and more,...why can't they put in reverse?  Every other manufacturer of touring bikes has a reverse, why not HD?
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: rayson56 on January 28, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
I'm with you Magloo and Mark. I too have had 3 CVO's and numerous other Harley's and a handful of full customs. I just can't pay the price of admission any longer.

So this is my retirement ride;



Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Joel on January 28, 2023, 12:14:40 PM
 The bike looks good, some day I need to see it.
The lyrics Rocket Man popped in my mind looking at it.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: GregKhougaz on January 28, 2023, 01:03:46 PM
2023 RGL: 973 lbs wet, 125' lbs / 100 hp (maybe), 31° lean angle, $54K+
BMW GA:   809 lbs wet, 135' lbs / 160 hp, 45° lean angle, $28K.

After one test drive on the BMW, my CVO felt like a SLUG. The GA is quieter, smoother, far more responsive and equally if not more comfortable. Surprisingly, I get compliments on it all the time from motorists at stop lights or wherever. Harleys are beautiful but when you look at the BMW for what it can do, it is far more beautiful. Stereo system on the Harley is better but I use a full face, modular helmet for all of my longer rides now. At what price point does the $30,000 premium for the CVO become downright stupid? The BSR prefers the BMW, hands down.

I could have kept the CVO but I know I would never ride it again.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Eqcons on January 28, 2023, 01:15:13 PM
I've never bought my bikes for performance, or sound systems, I've bought Harleys because, well, they are Harleys.  With all that comes with that, it's a lifestyle, where you can make friends worldwide, in a way which you can't do with other makes; you're buying into the fun.  But I've long since reached the point where I've decided no more.  The quality has slipped over the years, they cheapen the bikes, fit less on the CVOs, don't take responsibility for the problems that their crap outsourcing to the lowest bidder brings, but continue year on year  to increase the prices to ludicrous levels, where you can buy a quality car, often well loaded, which doesn't have cam follower failures, or low-mileage water pump failures.   I'm a lifelong Harley fan, but I hope they go bust. They deserve to.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: rayson56 on January 28, 2023, 02:18:33 PM
The bike looks good, some day I need to see it.
The lyrics Rocket Man popped in my mind looking at it.

Good one Joel! Are you calling me spacey?  :D It's different than what I'm used to, that's for sure.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: blacktop on January 28, 2023, 02:44:30 PM
FWIW, it's been a great ride with 3 CVO's, and many others prior over the last 40 years, but between the skyrocketing costs, and the total dealership destruction that Harley subsidized in the Chicago metro area and beyond, I'm done.

I remember the old days of stopping at the local dealer on the way home every week or two, who KNEW YOU BY NAME, I used to enjoy our chats about what's coming, industry news, and just friendly talk.  When Harley pushed all of the owners to the big boxes or took the business away, and helped this Ozzie joker take them all over - who right away took away the HOG benefits, installed used car salesmen who know nothing about bikes, and got rid of the experienced parts guys and techs, it was clear things were going down a dark path. The icing on the cake was when the Harley Advisory Panel became more about asking about how much you make.

Last spring, I bought a new Honda 6sp Goldwing Tour - Best decision I ever made. Although I won't sell the Harley, I gotta say I'm mighty impressed with the GW.  Two other guys in my group jumped ship to GW's too.  When I saw the 2023 Harley unveiling, all I could do was chuckle.  Kind of sad to see, but what do you do?

How's the dealer experience at Honda, are they like the Harley dealers of old? In my experience when I bought a Goldwing, the sales people knew nothing about the bike they were selling.  In fact I was given a lot of bad information. The Honda dealerships in my area sell Yamahas, generators all kinds of other equipment. They couldn't expect to know everything. I think the days you refer to are long gone.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: jamala00 on January 30, 2023, 10:20:29 AM
I think the beginning of March I'll be putting my CVO up for sale. It doesn't pay to list it now as there is nobody in the snowbelt looking for bikes. I'm going to downsize. Not because of any health reasons or anything, but more just because of the type of riding I do now a day. The wife doesn't really like to ride anymore, so I'm 95% solo. We don't tour anymore, so I'm going to get rid of the touring bike. I don't know if I'll stay with a Harley or not. I'm thinking probably not. I do like the '09 CVO Springer, so that might be an option, but they are not real easy to find. I've also been thinking of maybe a Café Racer.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: mrmagloo on January 30, 2023, 10:35:20 AM
How's the dealer experience at Honda, are they like the Harley dealers of old? In my experience when I bought a Goldwing, the sales people knew nothing about the bike they were selling.  In fact I was given a lot of bad information. The Honda dealerships in my area sell Yamahas, generators all kinds of other equipment. They couldn't expect to know everything. I think the days you refer to are long gone.

They've been very good.  I have always done my own maintenance, but they give me 10% off on all of the accessories for life and were quick with helpful insight to questions, etc. I haven't had a single warranty issue, so I cannot comment there, but so far I am very happy.  It's been pretty fun starting with a clean slate to add the accessories and mods I want.

With the Harley dealers now under the Blizzard of Oz, you really have to have your own parts book (which I do) if you want to have the slightest chance of getting what you need.  I have to essentially give them a list of part numbers and demand they check everything off as they are prone to screwing things up.  Gone are the days when I could call one of the trusted parts guys, tell him what you are looking to do, and he looked everything up and had it boxed up ready to go - Without a prepay. He would also make suggestions how best to tackle things and/or what else you should hit while you're at it.  Now, they firstly stock pretty much nothing, and at times you have to wait weeks, and be just be prepared with the deer in the headlights response to everything you ask. It's ridiculous.

Now, I will mention about the Goldwings is the Tour doesn't come with a Tourpak rack.  The storage between the saddlebags and the Tourpak are probably a 1/4 less than a Harley.  And, the stock seat is good for about 100 miles before your ass starts screaming.  I've added floorboards, highway pegs, backrest, and for this year, I used an Airhawk, but a custom seat is on the agenda.  If you do any longer distance touring, that's something to consider. 

However, I highly recommend anyone with the slightest interest to take one for a ride - it's pretty eye opening compared to the Harley.  The local dealer told me to come in the first warm spring day, and he tossed me the keys and said just be back before they close.  I will say that the immediate thought that came to mind is, the Harley reminds me of an old muscle car - Loud, rough, obnoxious, and certainly draws attention.  The Goldwing is eerily quiet, crazy smooth, and takes off like a rocket - Like a Porsche or something. Not a single person will pay you much attention, so if you have the typical Harley Napoleon complex, it's probably not for you.

I have been known to do 1,000 miles a day, and on the Harley, God knows you feel it.  On the GW, it's just so less fatiguing.  You set the cruise for 80 and it's pretty amazing how you don't need a few minutes after jumping off to collect your senses.  Now the Harley is my official local bar hopper only.  I'm going to ride the crap out of this GW and probably just replace them every 3-4 years. That's my plan for now at least.   
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: EZRIDN on January 30, 2023, 11:39:50 AM
All this non-Harley "gay" talk makes me think some of you (guys?) need to find other forums to go make out on.

So now back on topic...the 2023 CVO's still get/deserve attention.  Pricey yes...but, CVOs always have been high-dollar right from the start.  I remember the same bitch pitch from the early 2000's about CVOs being overpriced...its the same tune today.  Buy used/low mileage if you want to save some bucks...they're out there.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: mrmagloo on January 30, 2023, 11:47:24 AM
All this non-Harley "gay" talk makes me think some of you (guys?) need to find other forums to go make out on.

So now back on topic...the 2023 CVO's still get/deserve attention.  Pricey yes...but, CVOs always have been high-dollar right from the start.  I remember the same bitch pitch from the early 2000's about CVOs being overpriced...its the same tune today.  Buy used/low mileage if you want to save some bucks...they're out there.
Speaking of Napoleon complexes, lol.     :pineapple: :orange: :mango: :apple:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: bad00serg on January 30, 2023, 01:33:42 PM
Couldn't agree more.  Amazing how many people come to this site to spend their time doing the same old bashing.  Move on guys...

And yes, I have had multiple CVOs, all purchased used with hardly any miles but some good savings. 

All this non-Harley "gay" talk makes me think some of you (guys?) need to find other forums to go make out on.

So now back on topic...the 2023 CVO's still get/deserve attention.  Pricey yes...but, CVOs always have been high-dollar right from the start.  I remember the same bitch pitch from the early 2000's about CVOs being overpriced...its the same tune today.  Buy used/low mileage if you want to save some bucks...they're out there.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HOGMIKE on January 30, 2023, 02:31:53 PM
Harley, Honda, BMW, etc do not make a bike that fits me or my riding style.

I have had cvo’s in the past as well as the other brands.

The CVO’s have been my closest base to work up to my goals. I used my 2019 CVO as a starting point to get where I’m at today. With the changes I’ve made it fits me well and I’m always amazed how well the entire combo works for me.

The 2023’s show me nothing now or in the future that would equal what I have now. Paint is subjective and can be done to anything. I ask myself why get a 2023 and have to add another $7000 to get what I already have?

( Sound familiar Dave? LOL)

JMHO as usual. :soapbox:

Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HighOnHD on January 30, 2023, 03:45:09 PM
Sounds to me like Neal should consider starting up another forum called "http://cvoharleybitchnmoan.com", and I say he should implement it right from the start with advertisements! He would already have instant members. :)
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Ironhorse on January 30, 2023, 05:03:14 PM
Well like being in a military environment, it's ones right to bitch and moan however they please.  So in all fairness and respect to BOTH sides, if Neal is going to make a specific "Bitch and moan about the new bikes" thread, he should also make a specific "Gee, these new bikes are wonderful and I just have to have one regardless of the price or options" thread too.  ::)
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HighOnHD on January 30, 2023, 05:49:35 PM
Well like being in a military environment, it's ones right to bitch and moan however they please.  So in all fairness and respect to BOTH sides, if Neal is going to make a specific "Bitch and moan about the new bikes" thread, he should also make a specific "Gee, these new bikes are wonderful and I just have to have one regardless of the price or options" thread too.  ::)

Fair enough although I think all of this is more likely to make him inclined to start a new Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday Beer Night thread to go along with the Friday night one!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HighOnHD on January 30, 2023, 06:05:04 PM
BTW Ironhorse. Thanks for your service! I do not just support Harley's! I also had this made and installed it a couple years ago.

Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: TN on January 30, 2023, 06:12:19 PM
May I suggest a beer summit, I’ll supply the beer after a good day of riding.  :drink:

Or whatever you choose to drink. I do have a place in mind   ;D


Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HighOnHD on January 30, 2023, 06:41:21 PM
May I suggest a beer summit, I’ll supply the beer after a good day of riding.  :drink:

Or whatever you choose to drink. I do have a place in mind   ;D

Thanks TN. Sounds like a great plan, and would like to take you up on it as long as it is one of the 43 states I am licensed to carry! This year my plan is to ride to Alaska! Next on my bucket list. You have to jump through many hoops to have protection going through Canada. :( Unless it is just Bear Spray.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 31, 2023, 06:42:33 AM
Well like being in a military environment, it's ones right to bitch and moan however they please.  So in all fairness and respect to BOTH sides, if Neal is going to make a specific "Bitch and moan about the new bikes" thread, he should also make a specific "Gee, these new bikes are wonderful and I just have to have one regardless of the price or options" thread too.  ::)
Very True.  Plenty of bitching and moaning during my 20 year Navy career.

I've been a loyal Harley customer for a very long time.  Heck, have a Harley Tat on my arm, Navy Tat on the other one.

Both opinions can be valid and have their place.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: TN on January 31, 2023, 07:33:49 AM
Thanks TN. Sounds like a great plan, and would like to take you up on it as long as it is one of the 43 states I am licensed to carry! This year my plan is to ride to Alaska! Next on my bucket list. You have to jump through many hoops to have protection going through Canada. :( Unless it is just Bear Spray.

Just trying to show you some southern hospitality, not many carry bear spray here, we much prefer Squatch Stop.

Come ride with us in the Smoky Mountains this fall, during the day we ride, in the evening we sit around the camp fire and discuss just about anything.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HighOnHD on January 31, 2023, 09:53:24 AM
Just trying to show you some southern hospitality, not many carry bear spray here, we much prefer Squatch Stop.

Come ride with us in the Smoky Mountains this fall, during the day we ride, in the evening we sit around the camp fire and discuss just about anything.

Thanks for the invite TN. Sounds like a great time and reminds of sitting around the fire in the evening with hunting buddies! My bear hunts also did not include spray.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on January 31, 2023, 03:34:06 PM
All this non-Harley "gay" talk makes me think some of you (guys?) need to find other forums to go make out on.

So now back on topic...the 2023 CVO's still get/deserve attention.  Pricey yes...but, CVOs always have been high-dollar right from the start.  I remember the same bitch pitch from the early 2000's about CVOs being overpriced...its the same tune today.  Buy used/low mileage if you want to save some bucks...they're out there.
When your FLHRSEI2 came out, it's msrp was around $27k vs $17k for a regular roadking. Now a nicely equipped FLTRK is around $35k and the FLTRKSE is $54k+. Whole another ball game. BTW, if all the ex cvo riders left this forum, you would mostly be talking to yourself, lol!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: iski on January 31, 2023, 03:43:16 PM
Fair enough although I think all of this is more likely to make him inclined to start a new Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday Beer Night thread to go along with the Friday night one!

Not a bad idea, there are never enough beers or threads about beer.  As a fully retired curmudgeon, every day to me is Friday.  Or Saturday.  Doesn't matter. The calendar on my office wall is from 2019.  I think.  It could be 2017. Doesn't matter.  ;D  From experience if you drink enough beer every day will be like a Friday, but if you are employed I do not recommend this.

As far as the 2023 bikes Harley will sell as many as they make.  Eventually.  Not to me though. 

 :drink:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Ironhorse on January 31, 2023, 04:52:09 PM
BTW, if all the ex cvo riders left this forum, you would mostly be talking to yourself, lol!

I know, right! So many of us have either outgrown or graduated from the CVO platform. But we still hang together because we like to ride with people with know.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Finster101 on January 31, 2023, 07:16:11 PM
I know, right! So many of us have either outgrown or graduated from the CVO platform. But we still hang together because we like to ride with people with know.


Outgrown or graduated?  That is a tremendously condescending post.  Reading many of your other post over time I don't think (hope) you meant it that way but, a poor choice of words.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: EZRIDN on February 01, 2023, 02:23:18 AM
When your FLHRSEI2 came out, it's msrp was around $27k vs $17k for a regular roadking. Now a nicely equipped FLTRK is around $35k and the FLTRKSE is $54k+. Whole another ball game. BTW, if all the ex cvo riders left this forum, you would mostly be talking to yourself, lol!

Everything has gone up in price commensurate with the times....I paid $28k for my CVO in '03 and $200 (two hundred) for my 47' knuckle in 1969.... so, I fail to see the point. 

I didn't say anyone had to leave...but in case some of you hadn't noticed, this site started out known as FLHRSEI.ORG > CVOHARLEY.COM.  Which to me means its a site for Harley-F'n-Davidson CVO owners to talk about them & help each other out by sharing knowledge with some grumbling occasionally.  It's not really the place for espousing the gay love lust of BMW, HONDA, VICTORY & Etc and at the same time deep bash HD when some of you no longer even own one....so move on.   It's like talking about your f'n Prius on the Corvette Forum...you'd quickly see how kind & gentle those guys would be with you in a heartbeat....I won't even mention what goes on over at ARFCOM.

Just sayin people need know where they're at and stay in their own lane.   There endeth the lesson as Hubbard used to say. 
     
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on February 01, 2023, 05:12:27 AM
The point is you haven’t bought a cvo since 2003 at least based on your signature profile. Riders like me were regular cvo customers who are not anymore. I still ride Harley’s, just won’t buy another cvo.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: TN on February 01, 2023, 06:56:17 AM
EZ

Come ride with us this fall. You'll gain a new appreciation of the members on this forum.


 ;D


Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: acevtwin on February 01, 2023, 09:00:08 AM
I've been reading this thread everyday, and everyday I bite my lip and scroll on. Until now.
This topic is "2023 CVO's"  Not BMW or Goldwing or even Corvette. Im pretty sure their are other forums for
such things, But Not here.
I have owned 6 CVO's now, (Currently 2) and this is my favorite forum, has been for years.
Now days instead of CVO news or advice we mostly get complaining about one thing or the other.
And a lot of the time it's from people that don't even own a CVO anymore. (maybe move on to a regular Harley forum)
Yes CVO's are expensive. I wish they weren't, But everything is more expensive than "the old days".
My first CVO, a 2000 Screamin' Eagle Road glide was literally Half of what my current CVO Road glide cost.
I wanted it, I could afford it, so that was that. Im happy with my purchase. Best looking CVO in years.
In closing, Let's all get along, and maybe most importantly, Can we all just stay on topic please?
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: fastfreddy on February 01, 2023, 09:48:36 AM
 i dont have much to add.  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: EZRIDN on February 01, 2023, 11:16:06 AM
The point is you haven’t bought a cvo since 2003 at least based on your signature profile. Riders like me were regular cvo customers who are not anymore. I still ride Harley’s, just won’t buy another cvo.

Good God, this is funny!  You say the point is my buying/selling habits simply based on my signature profile?  Really?  My list is what I currently own...not what I have owned.  My first CVO was my '03 that I bought off the showroom floor and have kept it 20yrs. because I like it most.  I have considered selling it before but always come back to my senses.  The real point goes back to the topic-related 2023 CVOs.  Yes, the new CVO's are still special...just not for everyone.  Yes, they are pricey & no one is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing one to buy.  Yes, there are other options out there...so go foam at the mouth over there...end of story.  The 2023 CVO Road Glide is not just another CVO as it is an anniversary year and it certainly would look good parked in the stable next to my '03 anniversary.  And possibly in a few months one will.   

Sorry to the "real" CVO guys for derailing this thread, but something needed to be said...I'm going silent for a while.
                               
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Grizzly on February 01, 2023, 03:02:51 PM
I've been reading this thread everyday, and everyday I bite my lip and scroll on. Until now.
This topic is "2023 CVO's"  Not BMW or Goldwing or even Corvette. Im pretty sure their are other forums for
such things, But Not here.
I have owned 6 CVO's now, (Currently 2) and this is my favorite forum, has been for years.
Now days instead of CVO news or advice we mostly get complaining about one thing or the other.
And a lot of the time it's from people that don't even own a CVO anymore. (maybe move on to a regular Harley forum)
Yes CVO's are expensive. I wish they weren't, But everything is more expensive than "the old days".
My first CVO, a 2000 Screamin' Eagle Road glide was literally Half of what my current CVO Road glide cost.
I wanted it, I could afford it, so that was that. Im happy with my purchase. Best looking CVO in years.
In closing, Let's all get along, and maybe most importantly, Can we all just stay on topic please?

Thanks!  Very well said.

Cheers,
Mike
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Mr. Warlock on February 02, 2023, 07:30:30 AM
I've been biting my lip too, but for the opposite reason.

I completely disagree that these discussions should take place elsewhere. The subject is "2023 CVO's" that should include anything and all conversation regarding such. The heading wasn't "Let's bow down to Harley and only post if you really like a 2023 CVO and no criticism allowed", unless I misread.
This subject should be able to include discussing the price, commonalities, prior and current issues, likes / dislikes, praises, etc... etc... So by what is said here, should we all go the the Vette, BMW or Honda site to discuss 2023 CVO's ? NO, this site is where this should be able to be discussed.

I don't think anyone has the right to tell another to move on if they don't want to pay the price of admission. A very large portion of the members here can afford one of these things right this minute and many would pay cash. It's not a matter of can't afford it's a matter of common sense and logic, financial responsibility. The biggest part of this price discussion is the rate at which it has accelerated compared to other vehicles and how it's not worth it. Instead of telling folks to move on, how about informing us of the nature of these absurd increases and make us understand why Harley's inferior bikes should cost so much more than the compared vehicles. Let us all in on the secret behind why Harley needs the increases to be so much more than others in the industry, you won't be able to because there is no common sense reason for it.

I do agree with TN though.... After were all done keyboard racing,,,,,, lets ride!!!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 02, 2023, 07:51:15 AM
I've been biting my lip too, but for the opposite reason.

I completely disagree that these discussions should take place elsewhere. The subject is "2023 CVO's" that should include anything and all conversation regarding such. The heading wasn't "Let's bow down to Harley and only post if you really like a 2023 CVO and no criticism allowed", unless I misread.
This subject should be able to include discussing the price, commonalities, prior and current issues, likes / dislikes, praises, etc... etc... So by what is said here, should we all go the the Vette, BMW or Honda site to discuss 2023 CVO's ? NO, this site is where this should be able to be discussed.

I don't think anyone has the right to tell another to move on if they don't want to pay the price of admission. A very large portion of the members here can afford one of these things right this minute and many would pay cash. It's not a matter of can't afford it's a matter of common sense and logic, financial responsibility. The biggest part of this price discussion is the rate at which it has accelerated compared to other vehicles and how it's not worth it. Instead of telling folks to move on, how about informing us of the nature of these absurd increases and make us understand why Harley's inferior bikes should cost so much more than the compared vehicles. Let us all in on the secret behind why Harley needs the increases to be so much more than others in the industry, you won't be able to because there is no common sense reason for it.

I do agree with TN though.... After were all done keyboard racing,,,,,, lets ride!!!

Well said, and I agree.  This is the place to discus Pros of the CVO and Cons of it.  What is liked and what is disliked.  I love what CVO, I'm down to one as of Sept 21.

For me, those saying we should only talk the good and don't do any comparisons, well thats allot like our country right now.  Left cant talk to the right and discuss issues.  The right cant talk to the left and discuss issues.  Everyone want to shut conversion and discussion down.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Eqcons on February 02, 2023, 08:30:21 AM
I've been biting my lip too, but for the opposite reason.

I completely disagree that these discussions should take place elsewhere. The subject is "2023 CVO's" that should include anything and all conversation regarding such. The heading wasn't "Let's bow down to Harley and only post if you really like a 2023 CVO and no criticism allowed", unless I misread.
This subject should be able to include discussing the price, commonalities, prior and current issues, likes / dislikes, praises, etc... etc... So by what is said here, should we all go the the Vette, BMW or Honda site to discuss 2023 CVO's ? NO, this site is where this should be able to be discussed.

I don't think anyone has the right to tell another to move on if they don't want to pay the price of admission. A very large portion of the members here can afford one of these things right this minute and many would pay cash. It's not a matter of can't afford it's a matter of common sense and logic, financial responsibility. The biggest part of this price discussion is the rate at which it has accelerated compared to other vehicles and how it's not worth it. Instead of telling folks to move on, how about informing us of the nature of these absurd increases and make us understand why Harley's inferior bikes should cost so much more than the compared vehicles. Let us all in on the secret behind why Harley needs the increases to be so much more than others in the industry, you won't be able to because there is no common sense reason for it.

I do agree with TN though.... After were all done keyboard racing,,,,,, lets ride!!!

Agree 100%!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: OBB on February 02, 2023, 09:06:35 AM
I've been biting my lip too, but for the opposite reason.

I completely disagree that these discussions should take place elsewhere. The subject is "2023 CVO's" that should include anything and all conversation regarding such. The heading wasn't "Let's bow down to Harley and only post if you really like a 2023 CVO and no criticism allowed", unless I misread.
This subject should be able to include discussing the price, commonalities, prior and current issues, likes / dislikes, praises, etc... etc... So by what is said here, should we all go the the Vette, BMW or Honda site to discuss 2023 CVO's ? NO, this site is where this should be able to be discussed.

I don't think anyone has the right to tell another to move on if they don't want to pay the price of admission. A very large portion of the members here can afford one of these things right this minute and many would pay cash. It's not a matter of can't afford it's a matter of common sense and logic, financial responsibility. The biggest part of this price discussion is the rate at which it has accelerated compared to other vehicles and how it's not worth it. Instead of telling folks to move on, how about informing us of the nature of these absurd increases and make us understand why Harley's inferior bikes should cost so much more than the compared vehicles. Let us all in on the secret behind why Harley needs the increases to be so much more than others in the industry, you won't be able to because there is no common sense reason for it.

I do agree with TN though.... After were all done keyboard racing,,,,,, lets ride!!!
Yup. Agree 100%

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HighOnHD on February 02, 2023, 10:28:08 AM
I've been biting my lip too, but for the opposite reason.

I completely disagree that these discussions should take place elsewhere. The subject is "2023 CVO's" that should include anything and all conversation regarding such. The heading wasn't "Let's bow down to Harley and only post if you really like a 2023 CVO and no criticism allowed", unless I misread.
This subject should be able to include discussing the price, commonalities, prior and current issues, likes / dislikes, praises, etc... etc... So by what is said here, should we all go the the Vette, BMW or Honda site to discuss 2023 CVO's ? NO, this site is where this should be able to be discussed.

I don't think anyone has the right to tell another to move on if they don't want to pay the price of admission. A very large portion of the members here can afford one of these things right this minute and many would pay cash. It's not a matter of can't afford it's a matter of common sense and logic, financial responsibility. The biggest part of this price discussion is the rate at which it has accelerated compared to other vehicles and how it's not worth it. Instead of telling folks to move on, how about informing us of the nature of these absurd increases and make us understand why Harley's inferior bikes should cost so much more than the compared vehicles. Let us all in on the secret behind why Harley needs the increases to be so much more than others in the industry, you won't be able to because there is no common sense reason for it.

I do agree with TN though.... After were all done keyboard racing,,,,,, lets ride!!!

Did you think you were going to get off that easy?! Like most things it is more complicated. Sure it can be looked at as through the narrow opening of a straw and say the whole thing revolves around the price of 2023 CVOs, because after all that is the the name of the thread. On the other hand you could look at it as maybe there is a "whining problem". It appears to me that a thread could be started regarding air pressure on this site, and one way or another it would evolve into a way to whine about CVO or Harley in general.

Now maybe I am different. OK. I am different. We all are, but I gain a certain attachment to my Harley. It has gotten me across many divides, and provided much enjoyment. You mention many on this site could just go right out and pay cash for a new one. I am one of them, but I decided to just rehabilitate it at probably the cost or close to selling and getting a new one. I am attached. I felt the same regarding my last one. I would compare it to what a some Cowboys may have felt about their horses after crossing the wilderness. Although I realized some may have just cursed and beat that horse and traded it for a fresh one.

I will try again to sum up my issue. It is not good hearted discussion of pros and cons. In my group we implement a penalty whether it is hunting camp, long extended rides, or even last year when we toured Italy. Even one of our guides caught on right away and she started implementing it. It's called a "Five dollar penalty for WHINING!"

I am just trying to rehab this site. I know some of you who are addicted to whining do not want to stop. That is why I only pop in maybe every few months now and give it another try! I just do not like the WHINING. It appears as the membership steadily declines that I am not the only one that has noticed this. I hope in a few months Neal has figured out a way to implement something like the penalty mentioned above.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HOGMIKE on February 02, 2023, 11:03:22 AM
Kinda took a turn after only about 2 or 3 replies from the original question!

Getting back to the current discussion, IMHO you can ride/ buy/ modify whatever you want.
You can also share pros and cons about what your thoughts are compared to other rides you have/had.

Maybe this thread should have ended after the first few answers?

 :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: OBB on February 02, 2023, 02:38:14 PM


......

I am just trying to rehab this site. I know some of you who are addicted to whining do not want to stop. That is why I only pop in maybe every few months now and give it another try! I just do not like the WHINING. It appears as the membership steadily declines that I am not the only one that has noticed this. I hope in a few months Neal has figured out a way to implement something like the penalty mentioned above.

Rehab the site into what YOU THINK is best without letting others have their say as well?

The penalty comment is this last line of yours will keep me laughing the rest of the day. What do YOU THINK this is? Kindergarten?

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Twolanerider on February 02, 2023, 05:37:37 PM
My bikes are old. 


That's all I got....
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 03, 2023, 08:39:00 AM

Rehab the site into what YOU THINK is best without letting others have their say as well?

The penalty comment is this last line of yours will keep me laughing the rest of the day. What do YOU THINK this is? Kindergarten?

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Yep. 
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: CVOStreetglide on February 03, 2023, 09:08:25 AM
A suggestion would be to set up two threads.

One would be for discussing the pros and cons of the new 2023 bikes and one could beused to compare the features and functions of the new harley’s with other brands.

Regards

Jerry
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HighOnHD on February 03, 2023, 10:08:30 AM
Well I guess no Country Music Fans here. I get it now. See ya.

Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: acevtwin on February 03, 2023, 11:38:43 AM
Well I guess no Country Music Fans here. I get it now. See ya.
Now with the correct context, It is funny.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: bad00serg on February 03, 2023, 01:00:00 PM
I get both sides...

There does seem to be a lot of negativity on this board, just an opinion, perhaps I am looking at the wrong threads.  Things do change - my GM diesel pickup now costs over $80K when I used to buy them for $40K.  To me it still holds it's value well, so I continue to buy.  If I didn't, I would not see the purpose in complaining about what I used to buy/get and why an Isuzu truck is so great, GM doesn't care and will sell every one they make no problem.

The new bikes are expensive and they are not as "special" as CVOs used to be, again my opinion.  But, I'm not aware of stockpiles of unsold CVOs, so buyers somewhere are taking the plunge and see the value.  I cannot blame HD for increasing prices/margins when the demand appears strong.  Perhaps some here feel "cheated", but things change.  If HD does not need to spend the $ on R&D, custom touches, CBs, etc and people are still buying CVOs at increased prices, so it goes, the law of supply and demand.

Buy what you like - new CVO, old CVO, Jap bike, hey whatever makes you happy, but BE HAPPY!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: iski on February 03, 2023, 01:04:12 PM
Well I guess no Country Music Fans here. I get it now. See ya.

Saw that quote but was just reading & munching popcorn here for awhile.  There are still some of us around, I like the older stuff better than the new, with a few exceptions.

"Well the view looks better from ahead than it looks behind
I've got a need to speed and I don't mean the drugs-store kind
Some people like a life that barely moves at all
I say more power to them
Then I fly right through 'em
'Til it slows down to a crawl

It's a matter of horsepower
For eight seconds or miles per hour
That's the way I am and that's a fact I can't ignore
Yea, big boy legged, fuel injected
Running wild, radar detected
Man can always stand a little bit more
Horsepower"
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Ironhorse on February 03, 2023, 02:57:58 PM
The new bikes are expensive and they are not as "special" as CVOs used to be, again my opinion. 

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. And that is a key point for me.  The CVOs were special because they were all made at a separate facility by hand picked teams. And if you searched the bike you can see where each team member signed their name on the bike. Now days they are made on the same assembly line as the rest of the bikes. If you want a CVO today, they pick any one bike out of the line up, change the tins and motor and send it on it's way.  I understand that it makes more sense from a production and cost point to do that, however I do feel that which makes it a CVO is lost.  To me it's no different than Ford cranking out Explorers as SE/SEL/XLT and so forth.

But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: bad00serg on February 03, 2023, 03:30:46 PM
No I think you're right.  My 2007 Springer is special, my 2020 Ultra not so much.  I definitely see the difference!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Cat Eye on February 03, 2023, 06:05:09 PM
2023 CVO Road Glide is the best, safest, and most reliable Road Glide Harley has ever built! 

BOOM! (as i drop the mic)
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 04, 2023, 05:38:46 AM
2009 is the last year of the separate production line for the CVO.  Last year it was built by two person teams with many years experience.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: TN on February 04, 2023, 07:07:21 AM
2009 is the last year of the separate production line for the CVO.  Last year it was built by two person teams with many years experience.

Yes they were, my mid to low mile Road Glide that is almost stock and ridden gently still puts a smile on my face.  ;D

I did purchase this new, oct 2008 for a mere 30k
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: mike weimer on February 04, 2023, 09:32:42 AM
Lafayette, la and Baton Rouge, la have sold their 2023 Cvo’s. I was told by salesman in Baton Rouge it was sold north of msrp but not how much north. Made me think of PT Barnum
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 16, 2023, 08:02:24 AM
Well, I saw the 2023 CVO Road Glide Limited yesterday.  Pictures do not do it justice at all.  Bike looks fantastic, there is a huge amount of detail in the paint.  The gold pin striping is gold leaf.  Lots of fine metallic in the paint.  Still not sure its worth the MSRP, has a lot less features than my 15 CVO Road Glide ultra did.  No CB, no XM and so on for almost 20K more.

My understanding dealers have to order them with a customers name attached.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: mjb765 on February 16, 2023, 09:29:36 AM
Well, I saw the 2023 CVO Road Glide Limited yesterday.  Pictures do not do it justice at all.  Bike looks fantastic, there is a huge amount of detail in the paint.  The gold pin striping is gold leaf.  Lots of fine metallic in the paint.  Still not sure its worth the MSRP, has a lot less features than my 15 CVO Road Glide ultra did.  No CB, no XM and so on for almost 20K more.

My understanding dealers have to order them with a customers name attached.

They took the XM module out also??
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: acevtwin on February 16, 2023, 10:27:36 AM
They took the XM module out also??
I believe Harley Davidson thinks (and they are correct) That everyone is doing Android Auto or Apple Carplay
for music such as XM and other apps.
I never got good reception with the HD XM module anyway.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: bigC on February 16, 2023, 11:23:11 AM
They took the XM module out also??

Took XM module out starting with the 2020 models.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: mjb765 on February 16, 2023, 12:51:58 PM
I believe Harley Davidson thinks (and they are correct) That everyone is doing Android Auto or Apple Carplay
for music such as XM and other apps.
I never got good reception with the HD XM module anyway.

My reception is pretty good....on my old Street Glide I relocated the antenna, but on both my RoadGlides it works well. I use the built in XM often. either that or a USB.

The module was stock on my 2020 RoadGlide Limited--I didn't need to add it.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: CVODON on February 16, 2023, 09:17:14 PM
I disagree that most people are using their phone for audio/internet in the car or on the bike. New GMC has active Google maps and assistance with voice search and my wifes Genesis has exceptional voice operated sound system/GPS.. I know lots of folks who ride and drive and not one of them takes time to connect a phone to a modern audio system be it GM, BMW or whatever. Also XM is now, or mine is $5.85 month and I just push a button on steering wheel or handlebar and it gives me whatever type music, news or sport that I want.
Can't believe HD dropped the module or that people waste time connecting a phone.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on February 17, 2023, 04:20:23 AM
I disagree that most people are using their phone for audio/internet in the car or on the bike. New GMC has active Google maps and assistance with voice search and my wifes Genesis has exceptional voice operated sound system/GPS.. I know lots of folks who ride and drive and not one of them takes time to connect a phone to a modern audio system be it GM, BMW or whatever. Also XM is now, or mine is $5.85 month and I just push a button on steering wheel or handlebar and it gives me whatever type music, news or sport that I want.
Can't believe HD dropped the module or that people waste time connecting a phone.
I do both. I pay for Xm on my truck and get a free mobile device app access. On the bike, I always connect my phone, if not music then waze for gps. For music, I toggle between iTunes or xm etc.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Eqcons on February 17, 2023, 05:10:46 AM
I disagree that most people are using their phone for audio/internet in the car or on the bike. New GMC has active Google maps and assistance with voice search and my wifes Genesis has exceptional voice operated sound system/GPS.. I know lots of folks who ride and drive and not one of them takes time to connect a phone to a modern audio system be it GM, BMW or whatever. Also XM is now, or mine is $5.85 month and I just push a button on steering wheel or handlebar and it gives me whatever type music, news or sport that I want.
Can't believe HD dropped the module or that people waste time connecting a phone.

Well, I connect a phone on my bike, and in my cars, but 1) so it charges and 2) so I can take incoming and occasionally make outgoing calls.  I don't use it for audio. or navigation.  But we shouldn't be surprised at HD removing the XM (though in other parts of the world, we never had it anyway.) Surely it's obvious that removal of it (and other previously stock items) is part of their continuing drive to shave every last penny off the manufacturing cost of the bikes?
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 17, 2023, 07:03:58 AM
I believe Harley Davidson thinks (and they are correct) That everyone is doing Android Auto or Apple Carplay
for music such as XM and other apps.
I never got good reception with the HD XM module anyway.

Only problem with that is much of the best riding has zero cell service.  Mountains of West NC, North GA, and East TN have little to no cell service.  Same when you get out west.  XM worked great on my road glides.

Also to my point, xm unit is 400 dollars or so, same with CB.  They removed them, and charge more.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 17, 2023, 07:08:13 AM
I disagree that most people are using their phone for audio/internet in the car or on the bike. New GMC has active Google maps and assistance with voice search and my wifes Genesis has exceptional voice operated sound system/GPS.. I know lots of folks who ride and drive and not one of them takes time to connect a phone to a modern audio system be it GM, BMW or whatever. Also XM is now, or mine is $5.85 month and I just push a button on steering wheel or handlebar and it gives me whatever type music, news or sport that I want.
Can't believe HD dropped the module or that people waste time connecting a phone.

Many people need a phone connected for many reasons.  Some for work, need to take certain calls.  Or like  me for health issues.  With my iPhone connected if my blood sugar drops to low, it gives me an alarm on my Infotainment screen on the bike, in the car or Truck.  If the phone is not connected on the bike, I can not hear the alarm.  Yea I can usually hear it in the car or truck. 
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: mjb765 on February 17, 2023, 07:46:57 AM
Just to be fair.....car manufacturers are doing the same thing. Used to be all the higher end models came with Nav, now it's 50/50 and I was told so many people are using their phone and don't want to pay for the Nav option. To be fair the Nav update price in the car--or the bike is ridiculous....I used Google maps or Waze on a car with no nav. As long as you download the offline maps to your phone there is no need to worry about cell service. It's the way things are going these days so I started using wireless Android Auto in my truck as well since I know when the Nav subscription runs out I am not paying to renew it.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: jamala00 on March 16, 2023, 10:12:44 AM
I disagree that most people are using their phone for audio/internet in the car or on the bike. New GMC has active Google maps and assistance with voice search and my wifes Genesis has exceptional voice operated sound system/GPS.. I know lots of folks who ride and drive and not one of them takes time to connect a phone to a modern audio system be it GM, BMW or whatever. Also XM is now, or mine is $5.85 month and I just push a button on steering wheel or handlebar and it gives me whatever type music, news or sport that I want.
Can't believe HD dropped the module or that people waste time connecting a phone.

Ya, I would 100% disacree with this statement. I connect my phone in all my vehicles and on my bike when riding. I stream Pandora and when needed use Google Maps along with a few other apps. I actually just ordered a Motorola Wireless Android Auto unit so that I don't even have to worry about plugging it in anymore. It will just connect wirelessly as soon as I start the vehicle or bike. I honeslty don't know why anyone would pay for Map Updates or XM service when all this stuff is free and current with Google Maps and streaming with a music service like Pandora. Both have "Off Line" modes available now a days too so if you loose cell coverage they still work. I personally just feel like people who don't.... don't because they are not comfortable with using the technology.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: mjb765 on March 17, 2023, 09:05:42 AM
Ya, I would 100% disacree with this statement. I connect my phone in all my vehicles and on my bike when riding. I stream Pandora and when needed use Google Maps along with a few other apps. I actually just ordered a Motorola Wireless Android Auto unit so that I don't even have to worry about plugging it in anymore. It will just connect wirelessly as soon as I start the vehicle or bike. I honeslty don't know why anyone would pay for Map Updates or XM service when all this stuff is free and current with Google Maps and streaming with a music service like Pandora. Both have "Off Line" modes available now a days too so if you loose cell coverage they still work. I personally just feel like people who don't.... don't because they are not comfortable with using the technology.

I like the wireless Android auto in my truck..but there is one issue. it uses phone battery life quickly. I added a wireless charger in the console phone holder to help that. There is even a factory option for that, but mine didn't have it.  But the bike is a different story. If I have to plug the phone in to charge, then it will just use Android auto that way.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Hondo2doc on March 17, 2023, 10:34:38 AM
I like the wireless Android auto in my truck..but there is one issue. it uses phone battery life quickly. I added a wireless charger in the console phone holder to help that. There is even a factory option for that, but mine didn't have it.  But the bike is a different story. If I have to plug the phone in to charge, then it will just use Android auto that way.
I just recently got the Otto cast wireless set up for android auto for my bike. Now the wireless does work great. But then I have to do something about keeping my phone charged up. And yes for some reason the wireless android auto burns up phone battery at a fast rate. Actually I guess I never knew what demand android auto put on the phone battery cause it was always plugged in a charging.

So bottom line for me is after thoroughly trying the wireless AA connection I'm gonna go back to plugging in my phone. I'll get android auto plus always keep phone charged. It's just easier for me.

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: jamala00 on March 17, 2023, 11:03:50 AM
I like the wireless Android auto in my truck..but there is one issue. it uses phone battery life quickly. I added a wireless charger in the console phone holder to help that. There is even a factory option for that, but mine didn't have it.  But the bike is a different story. If I have to plug the phone in to charge, then it will just use Android auto that way.

That's good to know. I've read that same thing about draining the battery fast with the wireless units. Right now I just plug it in and I'm ok with that, I just wanted to try the wireless AA units. They are cheap enough to give it a try.

That's good to know. I've read that same thing about draining the battery fast with the wireless units. Right now I just plug it in and I'm ok with that, I just wanted to try the wireless AA units. They are cheap enough to give it a try.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: mjb765 on March 17, 2023, 11:09:02 AM
That's good to know. I've read that same thing about draining the battery fast with the wireless units. Right now I just plug it in and I'm ok with that, I just wanted to try the wireless AA units. They are cheap enough to give it a try.

This one worked for me...but I don't use it anymore.

https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-MA1-Wireless-Android-Adapter/dp/B09PQ95GY4

Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: jamala00 on March 17, 2023, 01:47:36 PM
This one worked for me...but I don't use it anymore.

https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-MA1-Wireless-Android-Adapter/dp/B09PQ95GY4

Ya. that is the one I have ordered.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 18, 2023, 08:10:26 AM
I love Apple CarPlay, it's maps and so on.  That said it's not a reliable solution for GPS and AM in my opinion.  Lots of the area in the Smoky Mountains where I ride there is no data service or cell service.  I find the same thing when riding the Rocky Mountains.  Also sparkly populated areas of the plains states, if you get away from the interstate there is little to no service.

In town and on the interstate I use CarPlay on my Bike, in my corvette and in my Bronco.  In the Smoky mountains and off the beaten path I use vehicle Nav and XM or the bike my play list.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Hondo2doc on March 18, 2023, 11:04:19 AM
I love Apple CarPlay, it's maps and so on.  That said it's not a reliable solution for GPS and AM in my opinion.  Lots of the area in the Smoky Mountains where I ride there is no data service or cell service.  I find the same thing when riding the Rocky Mountains.  Also sparkly populated areas of the plains states, if you get away from the interstate there is little to no service.

In town and on the interstate I use CarPlay on my Bike, in my corvette and in my Bronco.  In the Smoky mountains and off the beaten path I use vehicle Nav and XM or the bike my play list.
^^^^^^
This for me exactly but with Android Auto

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: mjb765 on March 20, 2023, 09:16:14 AM
I love Apple CarPlay, it's maps and so on.  That said it's not a reliable solution for GPS and AM in my opinion.  Lots of the area in the Smoky Mountains where I ride there is no data service or cell service.  I find the same thing when riding the Rocky Mountains.  Also sparkly populated areas of the plains states, if you get away from the interstate there is little to no service.

In town and on the interstate I use CarPlay on my Bike, in my corvette and in my Bronco.  In the Smoky mountains and off the beaten path I use vehicle Nav and XM or the bike my play list.

Does Apple not have an off line option??? I know with Google maps you can download the map area to your phone which it will use if cell service goes out.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 21, 2023, 07:56:44 AM
Does Apple not have an off line option??? I know with Google maps you can download the map area to your phone which it will use if cell service goes out.
No you can use apple maps directly off line.  There are some work arounds, but its not that easy or worth it.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: 2018_FLTRXSE on March 21, 2023, 03:40:23 PM
I get both sides...

There does seem to be a lot of negativity on this board, just an opinion, perhaps I am looking at the wrong threads.  Things do change - my GM diesel pickup now costs over $80K when I used to buy them for $40K.  To me it still holds it's value well, so I continue to buy.  If I didn't, I would not see the purpose in complaining about what I used to buy/get and why an Isuzu truck is so great, GM doesn't care and will sell every one they make no problem.

The new bikes are expensive and they are not as "special" as CVOs used to be, again my opinion.  But, I'm not aware of stockpiles of unsold CVOs, so buyers somewhere are taking the plunge and see the value.  I cannot blame HD for increasing prices/margins when the demand appears strong.  Perhaps some here feel "cheated", but things change.  If HD does not need to spend the $ on R&D, custom touches, CBs, etc and people are still buying CVOs at increased prices, so it goes, the law of supply and demand.

Buy what you like - new CVO, old CVO, Jap bike, hey whatever makes you happy, but BE HAPPY!

Since I've been off the board for a while, and I've been playing catch-up this thread caught my attention...

1) Because I had been hoping and dreaming to buy a newer model Duramax, but they were so freaking expensive, even used, and I'm a frugal (Translate that as a Cheap bastard)

2) Because I have both a 2001 SE Road Glide that's my "Beater"/ Dog hauler with a sidecar, and a 2018 CVO RG that's my less of a beater. and more of a weekend, going out bike .. then there's the stupid fast, 2019 FXDR-S with a 120" Just in case I get a wild hair up my behind bike." . Then I saw a Goldwing F6B for sale... it was black was inexpensive.. well maintained. Fortunately it got sold before I got to look at it!

I'm not a European bike guy.. not that they aren't reliable, but for us, the dealer is all the same... HD, BMW and Honda are all serviced by the SAME shop. Once its outside of the Warranty period, I'd rather own the Honda and perform regular maintenance myself. (Tires and brakes excluded) . Local PD also rides BMW as well.

I get the reasons some guys are deciding to go to Honda, BMW, whatever... The riding experience is far superior and more refined than HD's, hands down.

Don't believe me? go rent one from Eagle Rider... you will be amazed! (and these bikes are pretty well beat on.) Like other's have posted, if you have a good relationship with the dealer, they may just toss you the keys to a 'wing and let you ride one. That's how I got hooked on the F6B.

My daily commute now, is 30 miles each way... some days with traffic, some without. A 'Wing tourer with the comforts of a living room would be nice. and I wouldnt have to worry about it overheating.

But to each their own...

Remember to respect each other, and our opinions, its what makes this country great.   
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on March 22, 2023, 01:25:29 AM
I love Apple CarPlay, it's maps and so on.  That said it's not a reliable solution for GPS and AM in my opinion.  Lots of the area in the Smoky Mountains where I ride there is no data service or cell service.  I find the same thing when riding the Rocky Mountains.  Also sparkly populated areas of the plains states, if you get away from the interstate there is little to no service.

In town and on the interstate I use CarPlay on my Bike, in my corvette and in my Bronco.  In the Smoky mountains and off the beaten path I use vehicle Nav and XM or the bike my play list.
Use waze, if you lose cellular data, you will lose the live traffic updates but the navigation will continue to function. Your iPhone has a built in gps chip in it.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: CVODON on March 25, 2023, 02:53:04 PM
I have been told Waze now owned by Google and is virtually identical to Google Maps and Waze is going away in the future.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on March 25, 2023, 04:05:22 PM
It's been  owned by google for several years but its different. Google maps is great for walking, biking etc. Waze is a social media based navigation that is specifically for driving. The people using waze update each other on what they see so its live for speed traps, traffic congestion etc plus its the best navigation I've seen for rerouting when there is a wreck causing severe slow downs. Its so useful I gave up apple maps for it.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Pan1 on April 13, 2023, 11:47:37 PM
looks like this became a phone forum. I have owned several CVO's but a 52k price for CVORG Limited is just plain stupid. No stretched bags, sub par power unless you spend more money for performance upgrades and an average stereo. A little more money can buy a nice sports car.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: TN on April 14, 2023, 09:26:20 AM
It’s not the motorcycle itself that I dislike or have a problem with, matter of fact I’ve tried to make myself purchase another brand and I’m still riding a HD even though it’s 15 years old. What other brand can you still buy new parts for from the manufacture that is this old, while that statement holds true it’s also a testament on old technology in use but such an increase in MSRP. They did introduce a new engine and infotainment system along the way but my 2009 is still similar to the 2023 in many ways.

In 2019 I considered buying a new bike vs keeping my 09 and go thru it, I chose the latter and at that time I was already a DIY’er so I jumped in head first. Money wasn’t an issue and I replaced most every part or bought most every part because I didn’t want the parts to become obsolete and unobtainable. I still have a shelf full of parts in my garage. Yes I’m buried in it but with the time and effort I have involved in it I renewed my passion of motorcycling along the way, I’ve gained some new skills too. I was losing some passion and forgetting what made me happy in the first place, riding and brotherhood.

This forum has introduced me to a variety of people from all over and I’ve gained a few lifetime friends, some friends I’ve never met in person. I may come across as abrasive at times but that’s just my defense wall. I enjoy the fellowship at the GTG’s and look forward to the next one. If you haven’t attended one may I suggest you do.

 Whatever clique you belong to I hope everyone has an outstanding year of riding, making new friends along with unforgettable memories we all have with this great hobby of motorcycling. I hope to see y’all on the road. Be safe and enjoy! Right or wrong you don’t have to read my mind, I offer it up on a regular basis, let’s talk about it while being civil.

I’m anticipating a new lineup from HD in the near future and curious if it will entice me to have one of my own.

If we were all the same wouldn’t it be boring.


Lets Ride!   :orange:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: KGB on April 14, 2023, 07:16:23 PM
It’s not the motorcycle itself that I dislike or have a problem with, matter of fact I’ve tried to make myself purchase another brand and I’m still riding a HD even though it’s 15 years old. What other brand can you still buy new parts for from the manufacture that is this old, while that statement holds true it’s also a testament on old technology in use but such an increase in MSRP. They did introduce a new engine and infotainment system along the way but my 2009 is still similar to the 2023 in many ways.

In 2019 I considered buying a new bike vs keeping my 09 and go thru it, I chose the latter and at that time I was already a DIY’er so I jumped in head first. Money wasn’t an issue and I replaced most every part or bought most every part because I didn’t want the parts to become obsolete and unobtainable. I still have a shelf full of parts in my garage. Yes I’m buried in it but with the time and effort I have involved in it I renewed my passion of motorcycling along the way, I’ve gained some new skills too. I was losing some passion and forgetting what made me happy in the first place, riding and brotherhood.

This forum has introduced me to a variety of people from all over and I’ve gained a few lifetime friends, some friends I’ve never met in person. I may come across as abrasive at times but that’s just my defense wall. I enjoy the fellowship at the GTG’s and look forward to the next one. If you haven’t attended one may I suggest you do.

 Whatever clique you belong to I hope everyone has an outstanding year of riding, making new friends along with unforgettable memories we all have with this great hobby of motorcycling. I hope to see y’all on the road. Be safe and enjoy! Right or wrong you don’t have to read my mind, I offer it up on a regular basis, let’s talk about it while being civil.

I’m anticipating a new lineup from HD in the near future and curious if it will entice me to have one of my own.

If we were all the same wouldn’t it be boring.


Lets Ride!   :orange:

In your words Phil "Roger That"
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Mr. Warlock on April 15, 2023, 04:53:08 AM
It’s not the motorcycle itself that I dislike or have a problem with, matter of fact I’ve tried to make myself purchase another brand and I’m still riding a HD even though it’s 15 years old. What other brand can you still buy new parts for from the manufacture that is this old, while that statement holds true it’s also a testament on old technology in use but such an increase in MSRP. They did introduce a new engine and infotainment system along the way but my 2009 is still similar to the 2023 in many ways.

In 2019 I considered buying a new bike vs keeping my 09 and go thru it, I chose the latter and at that time I was already a DIY’er so I jumped in head first. Money wasn’t an issue and I replaced most every part or bought most every part because I didn’t want the parts to become obsolete and unobtainable. I still have a shelf full of parts in my garage. Yes I’m buried in it but with the time and effort I have involved in it I renewed my passion of motorcycling along the way, I’ve gained some new skills too. I was losing some passion and forgetting what made me happy in the first place, riding and brotherhood.

This forum has introduced me to a variety of people from all over and I’ve gained a few lifetime friends, some friends I’ve never met in person. I may come across as abrasive at times but that’s just my defense wall. I enjoy the fellowship at the GTG’s and look forward to the next one. If you haven’t attended one may I suggest you do.

 Whatever clique you belong to I hope everyone has an outstanding year of riding, making new friends along with unforgettable memories we all have with this great hobby of motorcycling. I hope to see y’all on the road. Be safe and enjoy! Right or wrong you don’t have to read my mind, I offer it up on a regular basis, let’s talk about it while being civil.

I’m anticipating a new lineup from HD in the near future and curious if it will entice me to have one of my own.

If we were all the same wouldn’t it be boring.


Lets Ride!   :orange:
:2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: CaffeineBuzz on April 18, 2023, 01:05:47 PM
read through all 10 pages expecting to see someone bring up the mid year '23 CVOs that are coming...lots of rumors and such going around, but they are coming
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: BigLew55 on April 18, 2023, 03:39:33 PM
read through all 10 pages expecting to see someone bring up the mid year '23 CVOs that are coming...lots of rumors and such going around, but they are coming
There's a thread in here somewhere, but my googleFu failed me.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: bigC on April 18, 2023, 03:49:00 PM
There's a thread in here somewhere, but my googleFu failed me.

It's under Other Topics > New Models or fake.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Jbbrown73 on August 14, 2023, 11:30:07 AM
I checked out the new models in Sturgis. They look pretty good from the engine forward. The rear end and bags are hideous. It looks like a Volkswagen Beetle from the rear end. The bag sides bulge out to almost round. One of my buddies rode one, he said the power was incredible. The suspension and braking was improved but not where it should be. The electronics were cool if you're into that. He said that engine sounded like a bunch of bolts in a coffee can it had so much valve train noise.

Take this evaluation for what it's worth, my opinion. And we all know what opinions are like!

JB
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: acevtwin on August 14, 2023, 12:08:57 PM
I checked out the new models in Sturgis. They look pretty good from the engine forward. The rear end and bags are hideous. It looks like a Volkswagen Beetle from the rear end. The bag sides bulge out to almost round. One of my buddies rode one, he said the power was incredible. The suspension and braking was improved but not where it should be. The electronics were cool if you're into that. He said that engine sounded like a bunch of bolts in a coffee can it had so much valve train noise.

Take this evaluation for what it's worth, my opinion. And we all know what opinions are like!

JB
Thanks for the feedback, I was hoping this thread would come to life.
I'm surprised more people are not commenting on the New style bikes.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Aussie on August 14, 2023, 06:53:57 PM
Going off the pictures I have seen the lines on the new shape are sharp, I did see written somewhere the tank has a thinner skin hence the sharper lines along the top edges.
I like the old smooth look better JMO.
Until I see one in person its hard to make judgment but I am sure they will look good.

I have heard the motor on a few you tube clips and of the same opinion on the engine rattles. mmm ??? 
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 16, 2023, 08:21:00 AM
I have seen both the street glide and Road glide in person.  I have also seen both colors.  The dark platinum is nice, but to me just doesn't say CVO.  The Whiskey Neat is very nice, and does say CVO.  Lots of small details in both bikes.  I like the overall look of the bikes.  Fairing on both looks good, the street glide has a nice slide out drawer for your phone.  The Road glide fairing has bigger compartments in the fairing, there are wind deflectors on the side of the fairing to block or direct air flow. 

Tank looks good, just not a fan of the badge they used on the tank.  The bags flow well with the new tank and side covers.  Rear fender is good, but I am not a fan of the new tail lights.  I understand why they stick out like they do for better visibility.  Lighting is definatley better on these bikes.  The infotainment system now has your gauges too.  It looks great and you have 3 layout choices.  The road glide does a better job concealing the radiator and hoses.

Over all I like the changes. 
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Hondo2doc on August 16, 2023, 09:10:21 AM
I have seen both the street glide and Road glide in person.  I have also seen both colors.  The dark platinum is nice, but to me just doesn't say CVO.  The Whiskey Neat is very nice, and does say CVO.  Lots of small details in both bikes.  I like the overall look of the bikes.  Fairing on both looks good, the street glide has a nice slide out drawer for your phone.  The Road glide fairing has bigger compartments in the fairing, there are wind deflectors on the side of the fairing to block or direct air flow. 

Tank looks good, just not a fan of the badge they used on the tank.  The bags flow well with the new tank and side covers.  Rear fender is good, but I am not a fan of the new tail lights.  I understand why they stick out like they do for better visibility.  Lighting is definatley better on these bikes.  The infotainment system now has your gauges too.  It looks great and you have 3 layout choices.  The road glide does a better job concealing the radiator and hoses.

Over all I like the changes.
Does that mean there is one in your future??

I haven't seen the whisker neat in person yet. I love both the RG and SG. I do wish they offered a couple more color choices though. But no big deal not financially workable right now any way.


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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on August 16, 2023, 05:59:58 PM
Thanks for the feedback, I was hoping this thread would come to life.
I'm surprised more people are not commenting on the New style bikes.
What's surprising is that no new owner has posted their first few hundred miles riding impressions on these bikes here that I can see.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Hondo2doc on August 16, 2023, 07:03:56 PM
What's surprising is that no new owner has posted their first few hundred miles riding impressions on these bikes here that I can see.
Agree

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 16, 2023, 08:21:23 PM
I’m curious. Is there a big rush to buy the CVO’s where you are as there was in previous years or have we finally hit the pricing ceiling?
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: tazmun on August 16, 2023, 08:37:48 PM
There are a few who have YouTube channels, that bought them.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Hondo2doc on August 16, 2023, 09:37:31 PM
I’m curious, is there a big rush to buy the CVO’s where you are as there was in previous years or have we finally hit the pricing ceiling?
That's a great question. It sure seems like the MOCO is just trickling them out.

I was told that the Motor Company will it send a dealer one unless that dealer has a deposit from a customer. I guess in other words Harley ain't sending any floor models to dealers. Now I have no way to prove and substantiate this information.

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: OBB on August 16, 2023, 10:11:45 PM
That's a great question. It sure seems like the MOCO is just trickling them out.

I was told that the Motor Company will it send a dealer one unless that dealer has a deposit from a customer. I guess in other words Harley ain't sending any floor models to dealers. Now I have no way to prove and substantiate this information.

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There are some sitting in floors in NE Ohio dealers that are not spoken for. A small dealer in Mantua is MSRP with no BS attached.

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: tolobill on August 17, 2023, 12:27:07 PM
hello, i have seen them at 5 or 6 different dealers, there is a good bit of youtubers with videos of changing handle bars, adding exhaust, different dyno of stock config.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: KGB on August 17, 2023, 05:05:48 PM
There are some sitting in floors in NE Ohio dealers that are not spoken for. A small dealer in Mantua is MSRP with no BS attached.

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They are not at MSRP Mike, they are $2400.00 over

Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: BigLock on August 17, 2023, 07:13:34 PM
If you add freight and surcharge to the MSRP it will come to the $45400.00. Then add taxes and doc fee
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: OBB on August 18, 2023, 05:38:35 AM
They are not at MSRP Mike, they are $2400.00 over


That's freight and the HD tax, aka surcharge.








If you add freight and surcharge to the MSRP it will come to the $45400.00. Then add taxes and doc fee
Thanks.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 18, 2023, 07:11:54 AM
Does that mean there is one in your future??

I haven't seen the whisker neat in person yet. I love both the RG and SG. I do wish they offered a couple more color choices though. But no big deal not financially workable right now any way.


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Not sure yet. 
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 18, 2023, 07:15:56 AM
What's surprising is that no new owner has posted their first few hundred miles riding impressions on these bikes here that I can see.
There is one on here that has bought a Platinum Street glide, and thats all I have seen.

SMHD has sold a Whiskey neat Street glide and two Platinum Road Glides.  Same guy bought the Whiskey neat Street Glide and a Platinum Road glide. 
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Cvostu on August 18, 2023, 07:23:10 AM
I was in Laconia last week.  I finally saw a cvo road glide. I did like it. The radio is amazing. Very firm suspension. They wanted 12k over msrp. 😩😩.  I was on my 16. All of a sudden I loved mine more than ever.  The new bike is really nice. I like the handlebars. We'll see.  Stuart.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HOGMIKE on August 18, 2023, 07:41:33 AM
I just finished my 75K service on my 2019 cvo limited. 55K on the big motor and trans.
I’ve spent some $$$ on power train and suspension to get the bike suited for my riding style.
Everything is working out great on this bike, I’ll keep it.

I don’t see enough upgrades to the suspension on the 23’s to justify another bike in my barn! The VVT engine would be nice I’m sure but I’ve already got the power in mine. HD has the technology on the Pan American suspension and engine and almost has it all sorted out now. I’d like to see that in the touring bikes.

My buddy in TX got the whiskey neat SC and likes it. I haven’t seen it yet.
I’m sure I’ll get to see them on the rally next month but no purchase in my future.

JMHO :soapbox:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: michaelokielee@yahoo.com on August 18, 2023, 08:07:00 AM
 I love my 2019 Red Pepper and would never sell it, but I am looking forward to riding the new one at Bikes, Blues and BBQ demo rides next month :pepper:
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: rob 62 on September 13, 2023, 09:35:00 AM
My 23 whisky neat has been at the dealer for 3 days now. Too many boxes left unchecked for me. Ugly seat . Even uglier when pass pad removed, (the way I ride solo). THE UGLIEST air box to ever grace a Harley and they know it hence the immediate availability of a beautiful heavy breather. 19 inch front wheel ,down from the 21 which made the R.G. C.V.O. stand out. New bag and tank styling? Take em or leave em. Love the paint and the new power. My decision will be made today.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HOGMIKE on September 13, 2023, 09:47:57 AM
My 23 whisky neat has been at the dealer for 3 days now. Too many boxes left unchecked for me. Ugly seat . Even uglier when pass pad removed, (the way I ride solo). THE UGLIEST air box to ever grace a Harley and they know it hence the immediate availability of a beautiful heavy breather. 19 inch front wheel ,down from the 21 which made the R.G. C.V.O. stand out. New bag and tank styling? Take em or leave em. Love the paint and the new power. My decision will be made today.


I talked to a rider last Friday who has 4000 miles on his new one. He likes the power compared to his last bike (2017 cvo). He said the suspension is not that great and he’ll change the seat.

I can’t justify the price to switch from my 2019 after setting it up the way I want with suspension and motor upgrades.
The color is ok but I still like my red pepper.

JMHO
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: rob 62 on September 13, 2023, 10:21:42 AM
No dealer mark up in my case.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Finster101 on September 13, 2023, 01:47:39 PM

I talked to a rider last Friday who has 4000 miles on his new one. He likes the power compared to his last bike (2017 cvo). He said the suspension is not that great and he’ll change the seat.

I can’t justify the price to switch from my 2019 after setting it up the way I want with suspension and motor upgrades.
The color is ok but I still like my red pepper.

JMHO



That sticker brings to mind an old Army phrase we used to use.  "Smokin' dope and eatin' dog food", but someone will buy it.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on September 13, 2023, 05:31:18 PM
I've seen both colors out in the sunlight. They are nice bikes but not for me. As many things that I like, there are just as many things that make me cringe.

I talked to a rider last Friday who has 4000 miles on his new one. He likes the power compared to his last bike (2017 cvo). He said the suspension is not that great and he’ll change the seat.

I can’t justify the price to switch from my 2019 after setting it up the way I want with suspension and motor upgrades.
The color is ok but I still like my red pepper.

JMHO
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on September 14, 2023, 08:37:32 AM
My 23 whisky neat has been at the dealer for 3 days now. Too many boxes left unchecked for me. Ugly seat . Even uglier when pass pad removed, (the way I ride solo). THE UGLIEST air box to ever grace a Harley and they know it hence the immediate availability of a beautiful heavy breather. 19 inch front wheel ,down from the 21 which made the R.G. C.V.O. stand out. New bag and tank styling? Take em or leave em. Love the paint and the new power. My decision will be made today.
I have had my Whiskey Neat road glide for 8 days.  I have 1348 wonderful miles on it.  I really like the new motor and its performance.  The new fairing is very nice, with a bigger windshield it has very good wind management, much better than the old fairing.  I like the new tank and bags.  The bike handles better than my 19 did.  I believe its a combination of the better front suspension and the 19 wheel instead of the 21.

The suspension is better, but a ohlin suspension is better than this.  Front is better and its noticfable, rear is slightly better.  Front brakes are better.  Seat doesnt look as good as the seat did on my 19 Red Pepper.  I always remove the passenger seat.  The handle bars are pretty good, This may be the first road glide I leave stock bars on.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: rob 62 on September 14, 2023, 09:01:14 AM
Best of luck with it. I passed and got my deposit back. I'm curious as to how fast someone scoops it up.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: BigLew on September 26, 2023, 02:58:08 PM
Rob where is it located?

BigLew
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: BigLew on September 26, 2023, 02:59:50 PM
Congrats Dave, I sure haaaaave been waiting a long time for mine. you go to MV this year?

BigLew
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: BigLew on September 26, 2023, 03:03:18 PM
Agree

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There is an entire Facebook page for the 23 CVO bike, very informative. Not much trolling

BigLew
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on September 27, 2023, 07:09:11 AM
No, I didn't go to Maggie Valley. My MC's annual anniversary party is the Thursday through Sunday of that week.

I am a member of that 23 CVO group on Facebook, its a good group.  Lots of information about them in that group. 

Hopefully you get yours soon.  Its a nice bike
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: rob 62 on October 03, 2023, 01:39:13 PM
Rob where is it located?

BigLew
It WAS at Shoreline HD. It sold immediately upon my returned deposit.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: HOGMIKE on October 03, 2023, 08:06:27 PM
The one I saw at Modesto HD on September 5 was also sold.
I didn’t ask what the OTD price was!

LOL
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 05, 2023, 07:31:42 AM
Ademac in ST Augustine FL and a Dark Platinum Road Glide on the floor last week end.  Smoky Mountain has a Dark Platinum Street Glide on the floor yesterday.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Violeiro on October 10, 2023, 09:43:04 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231011/b76eacd6906310159216417389cfc47c.jpg)

Loving mine, 3rd CVO


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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Grizzly on October 17, 2023, 01:39:25 PM
Holy cow!  Up here in Canada we can save almost $500. on a 2023 Anniversary RG. 

Nothing like a nice discount off of the "List Price". :2vrolijk_21: 

Yeah right, I don't think I'll be rushing in to save the big bucks on that baby.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Pan1 on October 26, 2023, 09:56:52 PM
2023 CVO RG what a waste of money. It does not have a tour pack and no lower fairings. But you get to say look at what I got!!!!  My local dealer actually called me and asked if I wanted to trade my bike for the one they are stuck with.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 27, 2023, 08:10:12 AM
2023 CVO RG what a waste of money. It does not have a tour pack and no lower fairings. But you get to say look at what I got!!!!  My local dealer actually called me and asked if I wanted to trade my bike for the one they are stuck with.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  Has a lot of stuff the other bikes do not have.  Personally I love my 23 CVO, inverted forks are great, radial brakes are great, new fairing is awesome.  The VVT engine is much better than the 117.

Hard to believe a dealer is stuck with one of the New CVO's unless they are trying to get more than MSRP.  First two months around here they never made it to the floor.  Now two maybe three days on the floor max.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Hondo2doc on October 27, 2023, 05:05:14 PM
My local dealer Peterson's Harley-Davidson which has always been MSRP for me when buying. Currently has 2 platinum 2023 CVO Street glides on their floor. I assume they are still MSRP but I haven't asked.

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Phreakyz on October 28, 2023, 10:13:00 AM
In Columbus Ohio...
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: OBB on October 28, 2023, 11:00:18 AM
In Columbus Ohio...
I'd certainly hope they'd come off their past practice of BS fees on new bikes. There's still a handful of single franchise dealers in Ohio that will sell at MSRP. HD of Xenia is one of them.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: SDCVO on October 28, 2023, 10:14:20 PM
was at Biggs HD in San Marcos today ands they asked me if I wanted to buy a Platinum they had in stock at MSRP (waiting for the 135 kit..). He said they never sell over.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 29, 2023, 09:01:54 AM
was at Biggs HD in San Marcos today ands they asked me if I wanted to buy a Platinum they had in stock at MSRP (waiting for the 135 kit..). He said they never sell over.

I am surprised it's not out yet.  Harley has all the parts needed in their catalog already except a new cam for this motor.  Cylinders, pistons and so on exist.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: SDCVO on October 30, 2023, 12:26:29 AM
I am surprised it's not out yet.  Harley has all the parts needed in their catalog already except a new cam for this motor.  Cylinders, pistons and so on exist.
thinking they are waiting for the 24's. Didn't love the Platinum and it seems like Whiskey's are all gone anyway
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Cvostu on October 30, 2023, 05:31:00 AM
I found 3 at one dealer yesterday. Mine and one of the others both were heading out about 5pm.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: BigLew on November 02, 2023, 12:58:44 PM
Well here is my 1,000 assessment. Stops, turns and handles so much better than any Harley I've ever owned. Engine is very powerful and pulls hard and steady. Hard to get used to how responsive the throttle is. Windshield is horrible at speed and in the process of changing now. placement of the footboards is stupid, needed spacers before I could even ride. Can't get to the brake pedal and required the Soft Brake product just to get my foot on it. Too close to the engine and a horrible angle. The seat may be the worst I've had in 45 years of riding. At 6'2" and 31 inseam I'm on top of the tank, way to close and working on this. I've had no electrical demons , but I pray over her before I ride, every time. The paint, WN, is fabulous but not worth 6k. Upgraded the rear speakers and was worth it., I kept the 09 124 to see if the newby would be worth it and love it. put some slip ons on for now. It was so silent I thought it was electrical

BigLew
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: MC16LTD on November 02, 2023, 10:17:12 PM
Local MoCo dealer (Arrowhead) had the new CVO SG and RG in the gray, wanted $48k each.   To me it looks like Victory and Arlen Ness got hold of the designers ear and wasn't a fan.   The dash is neat but I remember the first year M8 issues and would wait to see how this one works with VVT.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 03, 2023, 08:06:54 AM
Good assessment BigLew.  I put the 12" windshield on right away,  I get now wind or buffeting.  However going down hill I'm looking through the recurve.  I think the 10" would work for me, I'm 6'0 now with 34" inseam.  The back rest is a big help with the seat.  Will probably have George rework the seat with some Gel and  maybe move me back an inch.  Then recover it.  He does really good work.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: BigLew on November 03, 2023, 10:33:33 AM
there is a local guy around statesville that does great seat work (ironbutt as well) but no backrest. Found another guy that is going to build me a backrest. Will keep you updated. the guys at Statesville are Mean city cycles

BigLew
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 04, 2023, 08:18:14 AM
there is a local guy around statesville that does great seat work (ironbutt as well) but no backrest. Found another guy that is going to build me a backrest. Will keep you updated. the guys at Statesville are Mean city cycles

BigLew
I have heard of Mean City Cycles.  Look forward to seeing it when your finished.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: RivRaptor on November 05, 2023, 11:58:24 AM
3 Silver's sitting in Temecula, CA dealer (2 RG, 1 SG), gave them a good going over and I'm not impressed, can't believe you only get a pin stripe scribble for that price. Would have been nice to at least see a Whiskey in real life. I actually did like the Burnt orange & cream Electric Glide Reto they had there though.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Hondo2doc on November 05, 2023, 12:04:37 PM
I have heard of Mean City Cycles.  Look forward to seeing it when your finished.
I have used Mean City Cycles to modify a single Mustang seat they did an awesome job. Great work.

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Hondo2doc on November 05, 2023, 12:08:42 PM
Palm Beach Harley has a Whiskey Neat RG and SG and 2 Platinum SG's on their floor yesterday.

It's my first time seeing the Whiskey Neat in person and wow....... What a paint job. I was blown away. I can only imagine how awesome it is in the sun.

Now I gotta say I'm not sure it's 6k worth but that's just me.

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 06, 2023, 07:34:59 AM
Palm Beach Harley has a Whiskey Neat RG and SG and 2 Platinum SG's on their floor yesterday.

It's my first time seeing the Whiskey Neat in person and wow....... What a paint job. I was blown away. I can only imagine how awesome it is in the sun.

Now I gotta say I'm not sure it's 6k worth but that's just me.

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I wanted to love the Dark Platinum and save the 6K.  I was able to see both in the sun before my decision.  I really wanted to save that 6K but it didn't happen.  Every time I look at my bike I am impressed with the paint job.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Hondo2doc on November 06, 2023, 09:20:58 PM
I wanted to love the Dark Platinum and save the 6K.  I was able to see both in the sun before my decision.  I really wanted to save that 6K but it didn't happen.  Every time I look at my bike I am impressed with the paint job.
Man I completely understand wanting to save that money. But I will say. That Whiskey neat is really one of the most impressive paint jobs I've seen in long long time. It's just really hard swallowing the 6k.

I think it's great that your happy with your choice. WTF.... you can't take it with you and like Adam Sandoval says....... Life is short, buy the damn motorcycle!

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 07, 2023, 07:36:23 AM
Man I completely understand wanting to save that money. But I will say. That Whiskey neat is really one of the most impressive paint jobs I've seen in long long time. It's just really hard swallowing the 6k.

I think it's great that your happy with your choice. WTF.... you can't take it with you and like Adam Sandoval says....... Life is short, buy the damn motorcycle!

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Pretty much the logic I used.  It was hard spending the extra 6K.  I just new I would regret not spending it every time I saw a whiskey neat.  Now that I have it, I do not regret spending the extra.  Get lots of complements on the paint work.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Cvostu on November 07, 2023, 05:29:59 PM
Ditto here 👍👍👍
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: kojak on November 07, 2023, 05:43:22 PM
I've seen quite a few photos of the silver one that people have bought and had repainted. Even a dealer or two that has done it. The platinum ones are for sale everywhere.
Man I completely understand wanting to save that money. But I will say. That Whiskey neat is really one of the most impressive paint jobs I've seen in long long time. It's just really hard swallowing the 6k.

I think it's great that your happy with your choice. WTF.... you can't take it with you and like Adam Sandoval says....... Life is short, buy the damn motorcycle!

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 08, 2023, 07:12:08 AM
I've seen quite a few photos of the silver one that people have bought and had repainted. Even a dealer or two that has done it. The platinum ones are for sale everywhere.
  I too have seen several dealers that have custom Painted the Dark Platinum.  Idea of doing that crossed my mind before I bought.  Usually costs me 5K to custom paint my wife's new bikes to Psychedelic purple and black.

More I thought about it the more I decided I really like this Color and paint scheme.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: ChopperPilot on February 12, 2024, 08:00:01 AM
Ditto here 👍👍👍
Same here!
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: acevtwin on February 26, 2024, 10:55:12 AM
Anyone looking for a '23 Dark Platinum, a local dealership here in Michigan has 14 sitting on the floor. Lol
Here's a picture of some of them.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: blacktop on February 26, 2024, 12:51:05 PM
Anyone looking for a '23 Dark Platinum, a local dealership here in Michigan has 14 sitting on the floor. Lol
Here's a picture of some of them.
Holy cwap, wonder why so many?
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: KGB on February 26, 2024, 12:54:41 PM
Hall of Fame HD in Akron has 6 or 7 in platinum silver also, but they want why over msrp


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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: acevtwin on February 26, 2024, 02:22:06 PM
Holy cwap, wonder why so many?
The Dark Platinum are not very popular and this dealership doesn't want to custom paint
them like so many others have.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: OBB on February 26, 2024, 03:23:44 PM
Hall of Fame HD in Akron has 6 or 7 in platinum silver also, but they want why over msrp


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They must have sold a couple then because when I was in there a couple weeks back, they had a combined total of 11 of them.

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: KGB on February 26, 2024, 04:21:20 PM
They must have sold a couple then because when I was in there a couple weeks back, they had a combined total of 11 of them.

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Saturday they had 1 Whiskey Neat SG, 4 Platinum Silver SG's, 1 Bastard paint job RG, and 3 Palatium Silver RG's, so yea must have sold some or sent them off to their other stores?
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: OBB on February 26, 2024, 04:50:41 PM
Saturday they had 1 Whiskey Neat SG, 4 Platinum Silver SG's, 1 Bastard paint job RG, and 3 Palatium Silver RG's, so yea must have sold some or sent them off to their other stores?
That paint job is actually a wrap. They had both that one and an SESG wrapped along with 4 each silver and the one WN SG.

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Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 27, 2024, 10:37:39 AM
Hall of Fame HD in Akron has 6 or 7 in platinum silver also, but they want why over msrp


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That's nuts, over MSRP for a bike that is a year old.  I wouldn't pay over MSRP for any CVO. 
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: KGB on February 27, 2024, 11:06:46 AM
That's nuts, over MSRP for a bike that is a year old.  I wouldn't pay over MSRP for any CVO.

Let alone that paint job or "wrap"
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: RivRaptor on February 27, 2024, 12:09:19 PM
That wrap looks terrible and wrap is not cheap. 
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: Finster101 on February 27, 2024, 12:42:55 PM
That wrap looks terrible and wrap is not cheap.

Thank goodness that will come off with a heat gun. 
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: ACfixer on February 28, 2024, 07:50:46 PM
That wrap looks terrible and wrap is not cheap.

Agreed. Maybe it looks better in person? Still, not for me. If I buy a CVO it needs to have a terrific paint job from the get-go, not a wrap.
Title: Re: 2023 CVO's
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 29, 2024, 08:26:27 AM
Agreed. Maybe it looks better in person? Still, not for me. If I buy a CVO it needs to have a terrific paint job from the get-go, not a wrap.

True, needs to have terrific paint job.