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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2023, 06:46:08 PM »

FWIW, it's been a great ride with 3 CVO's, and many others prior over the last 40 years, but between the skyrocketing costs, and the total dealership destruction that Harley subsidized in the Chicago metro area and beyond, I'm done.

I remember the old days of stopping at the local dealer on the way home every week or two, who KNEW YOU BY NAME, I used to enjoy our chats about what's coming, industry news, and just friendly talk.  When Harley pushed all of the owners to the big boxes or took the business away, and helped this Ozzie joker take them all over - who right away took away the HOG benefits, installed used car salesmen who know nothing about bikes, and got rid of the experienced parts guys and techs, it was clear things were going down a dark path. The icing on the cake was when the Harley Advisory Panel became more about asking about how much you make.

Last spring, I bought a new Honda 6sp Goldwing Tour - Best decision I ever made. Although I won't sell the Harley, I gotta say I'm mighty impressed with the GW.  Two other guys in my group jumped ship to GW's too.  When I saw the 2023 Harley unveiling, all I could do was chuckle.  Kind of sad to see, but what do you do?
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2023, 08:52:03 PM »

Last spring, I bought a new Honda 6sp Goldwing Tour - Best decision I ever made. Although I won't sell the Harley, I gotta say I'm mighty impressed with the GW.  Two other guys in my group jumped ship to GW's too.  When I saw the 2023 Harley unveiling, all I could do was chuckle.  Kind of sad to see, but what do you do?

I'm right there with you, bought my GoldWing in 2021 and have not looked back.  Like you I kept the CVO, but I'm loving the GW too.  And my favorite question to the MoCo, as your target audience grows older and face bad knees, hips, shoulders, feet, hands and more,...why can't they put in reverse?  Every other manufacturer of touring bikes has a reverse, why not HD?
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2023, 12:01:23 PM »

I'm with you Magloo and Mark. I too have had 3 CVO's and numerous other Harley's and a handful of full customs. I just can't pay the price of admission any longer.

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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #63 on: January 28, 2023, 12:14:40 PM »

 The bike looks good, some day I need to see it.
The lyrics Rocket Man popped in my mind looking at it.
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #64 on: January 28, 2023, 01:03:46 PM »

2023 RGL: 973 lbs wet, 125' lbs / 100 hp (maybe), 31° lean angle, $54K+
BMW GA:   809 lbs wet, 135' lbs / 160 hp, 45° lean angle, $28K.

After one test drive on the BMW, my CVO felt like a SLUG. The GA is quieter, smoother, far more responsive and equally if not more comfortable. Surprisingly, I get compliments on it all the time from motorists at stop lights or wherever. Harleys are beautiful but when you look at the BMW for what it can do, it is far more beautiful. Stereo system on the Harley is better but I use a full face, modular helmet for all of my longer rides now. At what price point does the $30,000 premium for the CVO become downright stupid? The BSR prefers the BMW, hands down.

I could have kept the CVO but I know I would never ride it again.
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #65 on: January 28, 2023, 01:15:13 PM »

I've never bought my bikes for performance, or sound systems, I've bought Harleys because, well, they are Harleys.  With all that comes with that, it's a lifestyle, where you can make friends worldwide, in a way which you can't do with other makes; you're buying into the fun.  But I've long since reached the point where I've decided no more.  The quality has slipped over the years, they cheapen the bikes, fit less on the CVOs, don't take responsibility for the problems that their crap outsourcing to the lowest bidder brings, but continue year on year  to increase the prices to ludicrous levels, where you can buy a quality car, often well loaded, which doesn't have cam follower failures, or low-mileage water pump failures.   I'm a lifelong Harley fan, but I hope they go bust. They deserve to.
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #66 on: January 28, 2023, 02:18:33 PM »

The bike looks good, some day I need to see it.
The lyrics Rocket Man popped in my mind looking at it.

Good one Joel! Are you calling me spacey?  :D It's different than what I'm used to, that's for sure.
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #67 on: January 28, 2023, 02:44:30 PM »

FWIW, it's been a great ride with 3 CVO's, and many others prior over the last 40 years, but between the skyrocketing costs, and the total dealership destruction that Harley subsidized in the Chicago metro area and beyond, I'm done.

I remember the old days of stopping at the local dealer on the way home every week or two, who KNEW YOU BY NAME, I used to enjoy our chats about what's coming, industry news, and just friendly talk.  When Harley pushed all of the owners to the big boxes or took the business away, and helped this Ozzie joker take them all over - who right away took away the HOG benefits, installed used car salesmen who know nothing about bikes, and got rid of the experienced parts guys and techs, it was clear things were going down a dark path. The icing on the cake was when the Harley Advisory Panel became more about asking about how much you make.

Last spring, I bought a new Honda 6sp Goldwing Tour - Best decision I ever made. Although I won't sell the Harley, I gotta say I'm mighty impressed with the GW.  Two other guys in my group jumped ship to GW's too.  When I saw the 2023 Harley unveiling, all I could do was chuckle.  Kind of sad to see, but what do you do?

How's the dealer experience at Honda, are they like the Harley dealers of old? In my experience when I bought a Goldwing, the sales people knew nothing about the bike they were selling.  In fact I was given a lot of bad information. The Honda dealerships in my area sell Yamahas, generators all kinds of other equipment. They couldn't expect to know everything. I think the days you refer to are long gone.
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2023, 10:20:29 AM »

I think the beginning of March I'll be putting my CVO up for sale. It doesn't pay to list it now as there is nobody in the snowbelt looking for bikes. I'm going to downsize. Not because of any health reasons or anything, but more just because of the type of riding I do now a day. The wife doesn't really like to ride anymore, so I'm 95% solo. We don't tour anymore, so I'm going to get rid of the touring bike. I don't know if I'll stay with a Harley or not. I'm thinking probably not. I do like the '09 CVO Springer, so that might be an option, but they are not real easy to find. I've also been thinking of maybe a Café Racer.
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2023, 10:35:20 AM »

How's the dealer experience at Honda, are they like the Harley dealers of old? In my experience when I bought a Goldwing, the sales people knew nothing about the bike they were selling.  In fact I was given a lot of bad information. The Honda dealerships in my area sell Yamahas, generators all kinds of other equipment. They couldn't expect to know everything. I think the days you refer to are long gone.

They've been very good.  I have always done my own maintenance, but they give me 10% off on all of the accessories for life and were quick with helpful insight to questions, etc. I haven't had a single warranty issue, so I cannot comment there, but so far I am very happy.  It's been pretty fun starting with a clean slate to add the accessories and mods I want.

With the Harley dealers now under the Blizzard of Oz, you really have to have your own parts book (which I do) if you want to have the slightest chance of getting what you need.  I have to essentially give them a list of part numbers and demand they check everything off as they are prone to screwing things up.  Gone are the days when I could call one of the trusted parts guys, tell him what you are looking to do, and he looked everything up and had it boxed up ready to go - Without a prepay. He would also make suggestions how best to tackle things and/or what else you should hit while you're at it.  Now, they firstly stock pretty much nothing, and at times you have to wait weeks, and be just be prepared with the deer in the headlights response to everything you ask. It's ridiculous.

Now, I will mention about the Goldwings is the Tour doesn't come with a Tourpak rack.  The storage between the saddlebags and the Tourpak are probably a 1/4 less than a Harley.  And, the stock seat is good for about 100 miles before your ass starts screaming.  I've added floorboards, highway pegs, backrest, and for this year, I used an Airhawk, but a custom seat is on the agenda.  If you do any longer distance touring, that's something to consider. 

However, I highly recommend anyone with the slightest interest to take one for a ride - it's pretty eye opening compared to the Harley.  The local dealer told me to come in the first warm spring day, and he tossed me the keys and said just be back before they close.  I will say that the immediate thought that came to mind is, the Harley reminds me of an old muscle car - Loud, rough, obnoxious, and certainly draws attention.  The Goldwing is eerily quiet, crazy smooth, and takes off like a rocket - Like a Porsche or something. Not a single person will pay you much attention, so if you have the typical Harley Napoleon complex, it's probably not for you.

I have been known to do 1,000 miles a day, and on the Harley, God knows you feel it.  On the GW, it's just so less fatiguing.  You set the cruise for 80 and it's pretty amazing how you don't need a few minutes after jumping off to collect your senses.  Now the Harley is my official local bar hopper only.  I'm going to ride the crap out of this GW and probably just replace them every 3-4 years. That's my plan for now at least.   
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #70 on: January 30, 2023, 11:39:50 AM »

All this non-Harley "gay" talk makes me think some of you (guys?) need to find other forums to go make out on.

So now back on topic...the 2023 CVO's still get/deserve attention.  Pricey yes...but, CVOs always have been high-dollar right from the start.  I remember the same bitch pitch from the early 2000's about CVOs being overpriced...its the same tune today.  Buy used/low mileage if you want to save some bucks...they're out there.
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #71 on: January 30, 2023, 11:47:24 AM »

All this non-Harley "gay" talk makes me think some of you (guys?) need to find other forums to go make out on.

So now back on topic...the 2023 CVO's still get/deserve attention.  Pricey yes...but, CVOs always have been high-dollar right from the start.  I remember the same bitch pitch from the early 2000's about CVOs being overpriced...its the same tune today.  Buy used/low mileage if you want to save some bucks...they're out there.
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2023, 01:33:42 PM »

Couldn't agree more.  Amazing how many people come to this site to spend their time doing the same old bashing.  Move on guys...

And yes, I have had multiple CVOs, all purchased used with hardly any miles but some good savings. 

All this non-Harley "gay" talk makes me think some of you (guys?) need to find other forums to go make out on.

So now back on topic...the 2023 CVO's still get/deserve attention.  Pricey yes...but, CVOs always have been high-dollar right from the start.  I remember the same bitch pitch from the early 2000's about CVOs being overpriced...its the same tune today.  Buy used/low mileage if you want to save some bucks...they're out there.
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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #73 on: January 30, 2023, 02:31:53 PM »

Harley, Honda, BMW, etc do not make a bike that fits me or my riding style.

I have had cvo’s in the past as well as the other brands.

The CVO’s have been my closest base to work up to my goals. I used my 2019 CVO as a starting point to get where I’m at today. With the changes I’ve made it fits me well and I’m always amazed how well the entire combo works for me.

The 2023’s show me nothing now or in the future that would equal what I have now. Paint is subjective and can be done to anything. I ask myself why get a 2023 and have to add another $7000 to get what I already have?

( Sound familiar Dave? LOL)

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Re: 2023 CVO's
« Reply #74 on: January 30, 2023, 03:45:09 PM »

Sounds to me like Neal should consider starting up another forum called "http://cvoharleybitchnmoan.com", and I say he should implement it right from the start with advertisements! He would already have instant members. :)
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