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[acevtwin]

I've been reading this thread everyday, and everyday I bite my lip and scroll on. Until now.
This topic is "2023 CVO's"  Not BMW or Goldwing or even Corvette. Im pretty sure their are other forums for
such things, But Not here.
I have owned 6 CVO's now, (Currently 2) and this is my favorite forum, has been for years.
Now days instead of CVO news or advice we mostly get complaining about one thing or the other.
And a lot of the time it's from people that don't even own a CVO anymore. (maybe move on to a regular Harley forum)
Yes CVO's are expensive. I wish they weren't, But everything is more expensive than "the old days".
My first CVO, a 2000 Screamin' Eagle Road glide was literally Half of what my current CVO Road glide cost.
I wanted it, I could afford it, so that was that. Im happy with my purchase. Best looking CVO in years.
In closing, Let's all get along, and maybe most importantly, Can we all just stay on topic please?

[fastfreddy]

 i dont have much to add. 

[EZRIDN]

The point is you haven’t bought a cvo since 2003 at least based on your signature profile. Riders like me were regular cvo customers who are not anymore. I still ride Harley’s, just won’t buy another cvo.

Good God, this is funny!  You say the point is my buying/selling habits simply based on my signature profile?  Really?  My list is what I currently own...not what I have owned.  My first CVO was my '03 that I bought off the showroom floor and have kept it 20yrs. because I like it most.  I have considered selling it before but always come back to my senses.  The real point goes back to the topic-related 2023 CVOs.  Yes, the new CVO's are still special...just not for everyone.  Yes, they are pricey & no one is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing one to buy.  Yes, there are other options out there...so go foam at the mouth over there...end of story.  The 2023 CVO Road Glide is not just another CVO as it is an anniversary year and it certainly would look good parked in the stable next to my '03 anniversary.  And possibly in a few months one will.   

Sorry to the "real" CVO guys for derailing this thread, but something needed to be said...I'm going silent for a while.
                               

[Grizzly]

I've been reading this thread everyday, and everyday I bite my lip and scroll on. Until now.
This topic is "2023 CVO's"  Not BMW or Goldwing or even Corvette. Im pretty sure their are other forums for
such things, But Not here.
I have owned 6 CVO's now, (Currently 2) and this is my favorite forum, has been for years.
Now days instead of CVO news or advice we mostly get complaining about one thing or the other.
And a lot of the time it's from people that don't even own a CVO anymore. (maybe move on to a regular Harley forum)
Yes CVO's are expensive. I wish they weren't, But everything is more expensive than "the old days".
My first CVO, a 2000 Screamin' Eagle Road glide was literally Half of what my current CVO Road glide cost.
I wanted it, I could afford it, so that was that. Im happy with my purchase. Best looking CVO in years.
In closing, Let's all get along, and maybe most importantly, Can we all just stay on topic please?

Thanks!  Very well said.

Cheers,
Mike

[Mr. Warlock]

I've been biting my lip too, but for the opposite reason.

I completely disagree that these discussions should take place elsewhere. The subject is "2023 CVO's" that should include anything and all conversation regarding such. The heading wasn't "Let's bow down to Harley and only post if you really like a 2023 CVO and no criticism allowed", unless I misread.
This subject should be able to include discussing the price, commonalities, prior and current issues, likes / dislikes, praises, etc... etc... So by what is said here, should we all go the the Vette, BMW or Honda site to discuss 2023 CVO's ? NO, this site is where this should be able to be discussed.

I don't think anyone has the right to tell another to move on if they don't want to pay the price of admission. A very large portion of the members here can afford one of these things right this minute and many would pay cash. It's not a matter of can't afford it's a matter of common sense and logic, financial responsibility. The biggest part of this price discussion is the rate at which it has accelerated compared to other vehicles and how it's not worth it. Instead of telling folks to move on, how about informing us of the nature of these absurd increases and make us understand why Harley's inferior bikes should cost so much more than the compared vehicles. Let us all in on the secret behind why Harley needs the increases to be so much more than others in the industry, you won't be able to because there is no common sense reason for it.

I do agree with TN though.... After were all done keyboard racing,,,,,, lets ride!!!

[FLSTFI Dave]

I've been biting my lip too, but for the opposite reason.

I completely disagree that these discussions should take place elsewhere. The subject is "2023 CVO's" that should include anything and all conversation regarding such. The heading wasn't "Let's bow down to Harley and only post if you really like a 2023 CVO and no criticism allowed", unless I misread.
This subject should be able to include discussing the price, commonalities, prior and current issues, likes / dislikes, praises, etc... etc... So by what is said here, should we all go the the Vette, BMW or Honda site to discuss 2023 CVO's ? NO, this site is where this should be able to be discussed.

I don't think anyone has the right to tell another to move on if they don't want to pay the price of admission. A very large portion of the members here can afford one of these things right this minute and many would pay cash. It's not a matter of can't afford it's a matter of common sense and logic, financial responsibility. The biggest part of this price discussion is the rate at which it has accelerated compared to other vehicles and how it's not worth it. Instead of telling folks to move on, how about informing us of the nature of these absurd increases and make us understand why Harley's inferior bikes should cost so much more than the compared vehicles. Let us all in on the secret behind why Harley needs the increases to be so much more than others in the industry, you won't be able to because there is no common sense reason for it.

I do agree with TN though.... After were all done keyboard racing,,,,,, lets ride!!!

Well said, and I agree.  This is the place to discus Pros of the CVO and Cons of it.  What is liked and what is disliked.  I love what CVO, I'm down to one as of Sept 21.

For me, those saying we should only talk the good and don't do any comparisons, well thats allot like our country right now.  Left cant talk to the right and discuss issues.  The right cant talk to the left and discuss issues.  Everyone want to shut conversion and discussion down.

[Eqcons]

I've been biting my lip too, but for the opposite reason.

I completely disagree that these discussions should take place elsewhere. The subject is "2023 CVO's" that should include anything and all conversation regarding such. The heading wasn't "Let's bow down to Harley and only post if you really like a 2023 CVO and no criticism allowed", unless I misread.
This subject should be able to include discussing the price, commonalities, prior and current issues, likes / dislikes, praises, etc... etc... So by what is said here, should we all go the the Vette, BMW or Honda site to discuss 2023 CVO's ? NO, this site is where this should be able to be discussed.

I don't think anyone has the right to tell another to move on if they don't want to pay the price of admission. A very large portion of the members here can afford one of these things right this minute and many would pay cash. It's not a matter of can't afford it's a matter of common sense and logic, financial responsibility. The biggest part of this price discussion is the rate at which it has accelerated compared to other vehicles and how it's not worth it. Instead of telling folks to move on, how about informing us of the nature of these absurd increases and make us understand why Harley's inferior bikes should cost so much more than the compared vehicles. Let us all in on the secret behind why Harley needs the increases to be so much more than others in the industry, you won't be able to because there is no common sense reason for it.

I do agree with TN though.... After were all done keyboard racing,,,,,, lets ride!!!

Agree 100%!

[OBB]

I've been biting my lip too, but for the opposite reason.

I completely disagree that these discussions should take place elsewhere. The subject is "2023 CVO's" that should include anything and all conversation regarding such. The heading wasn't "Let's bow down to Harley and only post if you really like a 2023 CVO and no criticism allowed", unless I misread.
This subject should be able to include discussing the price, commonalities, prior and current issues, likes / dislikes, praises, etc... etc... So by what is said here, should we all go the the Vette, BMW or Honda site to discuss 2023 CVO's ? NO, this site is where this should be able to be discussed.

I don't think anyone has the right to tell another to move on if they don't want to pay the price of admission. A very large portion of the members here can afford one of these things right this minute and many would pay cash. It's not a matter of can't afford it's a matter of common sense and logic, financial responsibility. The biggest part of this price discussion is the rate at which it has accelerated compared to other vehicles and how it's not worth it. Instead of telling folks to move on, how about informing us of the nature of these absurd increases and make us understand why Harley's inferior bikes should cost so much more than the compared vehicles. Let us all in on the secret behind why Harley needs the increases to be so much more than others in the industry, you won't be able to because there is no common sense reason for it.

I do agree with TN though.... After were all done keyboard racing,,,,,, lets ride!!!

Yup. Agree 100%

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[HighOnHD]

I've been biting my lip too, but for the opposite reason.

I completely disagree that these discussions should take place elsewhere. The subject is "2023 CVO's" that should include anything and all conversation regarding such. The heading wasn't "Let's bow down to Harley and only post if you really like a 2023 CVO and no criticism allowed", unless I misread.
This subject should be able to include discussing the price, commonalities, prior and current issues, likes / dislikes, praises, etc... etc... So by what is said here, should we all go the the Vette, BMW or Honda site to discuss 2023 CVO's ? NO, this site is where this should be able to be discussed.

I don't think anyone has the right to tell another to move on if they don't want to pay the price of admission. A very large portion of the members here can afford one of these things right this minute and many would pay cash. It's not a matter of can't afford it's a matter of common sense and logic, financial responsibility. The biggest part of this price discussion is the rate at which it has accelerated compared to other vehicles and how it's not worth it. Instead of telling folks to move on, how about informing us of the nature of these absurd increases and make us understand why Harley's inferior bikes should cost so much more than the compared vehicles. Let us all in on the secret behind why Harley needs the increases to be so much more than others in the industry, you won't be able to because there is no common sense reason for it.

I do agree with TN though.... After were all done keyboard racing,,,,,, lets ride!!!

Did you think you were going to get off that easy?! Like most things it is more complicated. Sure it can be looked at as through the narrow opening of a straw and say the whole thing revolves around the price of 2023 CVOs, because after all that is the the name of the thread. On the other hand you could look at it as maybe there is a "whining problem". It appears to me that a thread could be started regarding air pressure on this site, and one way or another it would evolve into a way to whine about CVO or Harley in general.

Now maybe I am different. OK. I am different. We all are, but I gain a certain attachment to my Harley. It has gotten me across many divides, and provided much enjoyment. You mention many on this site could just go right out and pay cash for a new one. I am one of them, but I decided to just rehabilitate it at probably the cost or close to selling and getting a new one. I am attached. I felt the same regarding my last one. I would compare it to what a some Cowboys may have felt about their horses after crossing the wilderness. Although I realized some may have just cursed and beat that horse and traded it for a fresh one.

I will try again to sum up my issue. It is not good hearted discussion of pros and cons. In my group we implement a penalty whether it is hunting camp, long extended rides, or even last year when we toured Italy. Even one of our guides caught on right away and she started implementing it. It's called a "Five dollar penalty for WHINING!"

I am just trying to rehab this site. I know some of you who are addicted to whining do not want to stop. That is why I only pop in maybe every few months now and give it another try! I just do not like the WHINING. It appears as the membership steadily declines that I am not the only one that has noticed this. I hope in a few months Neal has figured out a way to implement something like the penalty mentioned above.

[HOGMIKE]

Kinda took a turn after only about 2 or 3 replies from the original question!

Getting back to the current discussion, IMHO you can ride/ buy/ modify whatever you want.
You can also share pros and cons about what your thoughts are compared to other rides you have/had.

Maybe this thread should have ended after the first few answers?

 

[OBB]

......

I am just trying to rehab this site. I know some of you who are addicted to whining do not want to stop. That is why I only pop in maybe every few months now and give it another try! I just do not like the WHINING. It appears as the membership steadily declines that I am not the only one that has noticed this. I hope in a few months Neal has figured out a way to implement something like the penalty mentioned above.

Rehab the site into what YOU THINK is best without letting others have their say as well?

The penalty comment is this last line of yours will keep me laughing the rest of the day. What do YOU THINK this is? Kindergarten?

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[Twolanerider]

My bikes are old. 


That's all I got....

[FLSTFI Dave]

Rehab the site into what YOU THINK is best without letting others have their say as well?

The penalty comment is this last line of yours will keep me laughing the rest of the day. What do YOU THINK this is? Kindergarten?

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Yep. 

[CVOStreetglide]

A suggestion would be to set up two threads.

One would be for discussing the pros and cons of the new 2023 bikes and one could beused to compare the features and functions of the new harley’s with other brands.

Regards

Jerry

[HighOnHD]

Well I guess no Country Music Fans here. I get it now. See ya.