Topic: Why make more power? (Read 5825 times)

zoom · « **on:** April 10, 2013, 01:06:39 PM »

We all ride a very very Heavy bic. What is the deal about 5 to 10hp gain. It will not make any difference! They ARE 850lbs. not 400. CVO is great bic. Tune to get the heat out!

GregKhougaz · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2013, 01:11:52 PM »

With a nom de plum, "zoom," you have to ask?

ultrarider123 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2013, 01:17:42 PM »

Zoom, you are correct. An additional 5-10 HP might not effect the 800 lb gorilla as much as it would the 400 lb ape but it does make a difference on the highway. Along with the 5-10 HP, you should get a modicum of torque to go along with it...maybe the same increase of 5-10 ft/lb. Again, you won't be racing the GSXR's out there but you can feel the difference and that little bit will help with two-up/loaded riding along with better response on the road. A 10 HP increase for a 84 HP bike is better than a 10% so not that shabby.

Quote from: GregKhougaz on April 10, 2013, 01:11:52 PM

With a mom de plum, "zoom," you have to ask?

Greg, I was thinking the same thing.....

zoom · « **Reply #3 on:** April 10, 2013, 01:27:17 PM »

Been riding for 53 years. Been on most of them. You will not notice 10/20hp on a cvo! Alot of money for not much gain! Good tour bic. as is!

ultrarider123 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2013, 01:44:29 PM »

Quote from: zoom on April 10, 2013, 01:27:17 PM

Been riding for 53 years. Been on most of them. You will not notice 10/20hp on a cvo! Alot of money for not much gain! Good tour bic. as is!

I would agree with your original assessment of 5-10 hp not being that noticeable but you state 10-20 HP in the latest post. I would respectfully disagree with you that you wouldn't feel 20 HP difference on a CVO or any motorcycle for that matter. While I don't have 53 years under my belt (just 43 years here), I do have experience on quite a few different styles/types/brands of motorcycles and can tell you that a 10% to 20% increase in HP is very noticeable. For sake of discussion, let's make it 15% increase and put that on a car making 250 HP. A 15% increase would give you almost 38 additional HP. You don't think you would feel that? Most modern HD's make between 84 and 88 HP stock (give or take 3 or 4 HP). A 15% increase on a 88 hp bike is an increase of 13.5 HP which would give you 101 HP. Not bad and I'll guarantee you will feel it. Plus, you can do that kind of increase with not that much money output on your part. Also, that's not even taking into account any torque increase which you are sure to get with a HP increase.

Great post and I'm sure you will get quite a bit of feedback on your comments and this topic...so have fun and hang on.....

zoom · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2013, 01:52:21 PM »

They look cool. Ride even better.But fast or powerfull Nowayyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!

skratch · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM »

Quote from: Haird on April 10, 2013, 01:44:29 PM

I would agree with your original assessment of 5-10 hp not being that noticeable but you state 10-20 HP in the latest post. I would respectfully disagree with you that you wouldn't feel 20 HP difference on a CVO or any motorcycle for that matter.

i'm gonna agree with you here. i had a 107 kit put on my 96 and after dyno tuning am getting 98hp/124ft.lb torque. don't remember what it was originally, but i can tell you that it is extremely noticeable.

the best answer i can provide for the original question of why, is, because i want to

GregKhougaz · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2013, 02:18:19 PM »

Zoom has a point. The stock bikes are perfectly fast enough in most cases. You could spell Harley Davidson, "t-e-s-t-o-s-t-e-r-o-n-e.". Of course, that is true for most motorcycle brands.

Wrongway · « **Reply #8 on:** April 10, 2013, 02:26:10 PM »

$5,000.00 for breast enhancement on your wife, why, so others will look at her, she's married. Spend as you like, it's your life and money. I don't keep up with the Jone'es, I live for me.

zoom · « **Reply #9 on:** April 10, 2013, 02:37:18 PM »

Greg Yes. CVO is perfect as is. MY point. thanks!!

GregKhougaz · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2013, 02:59:57 PM »

Quote from: zoom on April 10, 2013, 02:37:18 PM

Greg Yes. CVO is perfect as is. MY point. thanks!!

All CVO's are perfect!

But that does not mean they cannot be made more perfect!

zoom · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2013, 03:06:16 PM »

5 to 10hp more perfect?? and around and around we go!!!!!!!!!!!

Panhead_Jimmy · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2013, 03:10:08 PM »

Quote from: Wrongway on April 10, 2013, 02:26:10 PM

$5,000.00 for breast enhancement on your wife, why, so others will look at her, she's married. Spend as you like, it's your life and money. I don't keep up with the Jone'es, I live for me.

I got the bro deal...20% off...'course they're stick-ons with double-back tape and tend to slide around during......eh, during.......eh, any fast movement. Also, if they come unstuck they can hit you in the eye when suspended above you. Too bad my reflectors don't come off that easy.

zoom · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2013, 03:21:11 PM »

panhead?

Panhead_Jimmy · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2013, 03:22:28 PM »

Quote from: zoom on April 10, 2013, 03:21:11 PM

panhead?

Yes

grc · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2013, 03:42:53 PM »

If your point is that chasing more power is futile and a waste of money, you are correct. The further someone takes this quest for bragging rights and ego massage, the more correct you are. However, since the typical Harley owner is all about ego and macho and bragging rights, don't expect to see anything change. Besides, if everyone refused to throw many thousands of dollars at their already overpriced Harley's, Harley and the various aftermarket companies would need a massive bailout to remain in business. In other words, shame on you for trying to destroy all those jobs and profits. Commie pinko agitator!

Jerry

zoom · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2013, 03:48:44 PM »

Really Jerry

GregKhougaz · « **Reply #17 on:** April 10, 2013, 04:14:53 PM »

Quote from: grc on April 10, 2013, 03:42:53 PM

Commie pinko agitator!

Okay, that was good!

Jerry, calm thyself.

We wouldn't want you to fall off your...

Disclaimer:

I do hope that everyone sees the (some) levity here. That is all. Thank you.

zoom · « **Reply #18 on:** April 10, 2013, 04:24:33 PM »

Greg YES. Again, you are the one that understands.

lilcoot · « **Reply #19 on:** April 10, 2013, 04:37:05 PM »

Zoom, my poor, naive little friend.

I agree that it's a waste of time and money, but if you get two or more men in the same room (or forum), we will compete with each other. It's in our DNA; it's a biological imperative. Don't fight it, just give in to the Dark Side. It's your destiny.

Plus, it's a lot of fun. The process of planning, building, and feeling the results of our work gives purpose and meaning to our empty lives of quiet despair.

grc · « **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2013, 04:40:57 PM »

The little "wink" emoticon wasn't put there by accident.

Jerry

110tHunDer · « **Reply #21 on:** April 10, 2013, 05:47:26 PM »

Quote from: lilcoot on April 10, 2013, 04:37:05 PM

Zoom, my poor, naive little friend.

I agree that it's a waste of time and money, but if you get two or more men in the same room (or forum), we will compete with each other. It's in our DNA; it's a biological imperative. Don't fight it, just give in to the Dark Side. It's your destiny.

Plus, it's a lot of fun. The process of planning, building, and feeling the results of our work gives purpose and meaning to our empty lives of quiet despair.

^^^ Leading candidate for post of the day

SBB · « **Reply #22 on:** April 10, 2013, 05:59:54 PM »

Quote from: 110tHunDer on April 10, 2013, 05:47:26 PM

^^^ Leading candidate for post of the day

X 2

SBB

sadunbar · « **Reply #23 on:** April 10, 2013, 06:32:40 PM »

Quote from: 110tHunDer on April 10, 2013, 05:47:26 PM

^^^ Leading candidate for post of the day

bostonCVO · « **Reply #24 on:** April 10, 2013, 06:37:36 PM »

Just picked up my 13 RG CVO last weekend and put the first 200 miles on it. I was pleasantly surprised at how well it ran stock. Pulled like a tractor and pretty good throttle response and I am coming off a 165 HP BMW K1600 and don't feel under powered. I owned a Ducati that I over tuned to the point that it had abrupt on off throttle response that was a little scarey so not all tuning is good, some times more is not better. All this said a fullsac stage 1 is in my future, as soon as my bank account I recovers from the original purchase.

phato1 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 10, 2013, 06:53:47 PM »

As Tim the tool man liked to say ...

MORE POWER ARRRRGGGGHHH HO HO HO

CVO Brian · « **Reply #26 on:** April 10, 2013, 08:12:25 PM »

Wasting of time and money ? Whose money and who's time. How can one person tell another person he is wasting time and money ? Is it his time or his money ? Its only a waist of time and money to those who have little or either of Both. Its 100% based on opinion. Two people with no children and no plans to have any, buy a 6000sf 5 bedroom 4 bath house, and then add on by putting a pool and tennis court. Is this a waist of time and money ? Maybe to a guy living in a doublewide.
I spend time and money on my perfect CVO every chance I get. I bought an Ultra and converted it to a StreetGlide to have both. Spent $3,000. And I loved every second of waisted time I spent.

North Georgia Hawg · « **Reply #27 on:** April 10, 2013, 08:55:35 PM »

I just like to be able to easily run away from all the lowlife trailer trash baggers I ride with. You know, the ones whose bike model designations do not end with "SE(n)"...

Except that ONE smartass on an FXR4... I HATE that guy!

cptdenny · « **Reply #28 on:** April 10, 2013, 09:06:25 PM »

Quote from: North Georgia Hawg on April 10, 2013, 08:55:35 PM

I just like to be able to easily run away from all the lowlife trailer trash baggers I ride with. You know, the ones whose bike model designations do not end with "SE(n)"...

Except that ONE smartass on an FXR4... I HATE that guy!

I feel you.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #29 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:00:51 AM »

Quote from: zoom on April 10, 2013, 03:06:16 PM

5 to 10hp more perfect?? and around and around we go!!!!!!!!!!!

I should prolly use a fictious name for this one, but why think 5-10 thats pipes, tune and a maybe even a poor cam. If your gonna go go big. think 40-50 or stay on the porch like Spidey

(maybe he will read this)

I agree 5 ain't worth majority won't even notice it except for reducing the heat as said, but more why not, its all the rage these days.

There is something to be said for knowing Maudie the Moped blew up trying to keep up with you ! (key word was trying)

Trapperdog · « **Reply #30 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:17:06 AM »

Even at 10 extra HP, that's over a 10% increase. And, it's also an increasing Tq..It's also important to note where the HP and TQ are and how long they carry. After grenadine my engine and getting it rebuilt and switching from a HD 251 to a Fuel 574 and from a PC3 to a Master tuner I went from 107/111 to 115/117 and I could tell a difference. Maybe not in power, but in the powerband and where it hit. Not that it was better, just different. If you know your bike, you can feel the changes. It's easy to feel the change from an HD 255, it hits hard, but dives dives way to quick. Also, you feel the power increase under load. More weight, or towing or climbing in altitude etc. Many things to consider

Charlie · « **Reply #31 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:55:51 AM »

Quote from: 110tHunDer on April 10, 2013, 05:47:26 PM

^^^ Leading candidate for post of the day

Well Said!

RoadRunnr · « **Reply #32 on:** April 11, 2013, 01:21:10 AM »

My $.02 says, if you don't twist the throttle hard, you probably won't notice it, but the way I ride (HARD) I DID notice it, and very much worth the $

FLSTFI Dave · « **Reply #33 on:** April 11, 2013, 09:35:39 AM »

Quote from: zoom on April 10, 2013, 01:27:17 PM

Been riding for 53 years. Been on most of them. You will not notice 10/20hp on a cvo! Alot of money for not much gain! Good tour bic. as is!

Well I have two CVO's a 2012 and a 2013.

The 12 is a road glide with fuel moto head pipe (no cat) and fuel moto Jackpot pro tour mufflers, TTS tuner and a dyno tune done. 114 peak torque, just over 11 more than stock, and the hp is about 11 over stock, 94. You can feel the difference. Not huge but noticeable.

Now my 13 CVO king is 10 pounds lighter than my road glide according to HD. The motor had had pistons, cams, heads, TB, and injectors done, Fullsac head pipe, and mufflers. TTS tuner and a good dyno tune. 121/121 SAE hp and torque, graph is posted in another thread. Very long flat curve. Over 110 torque by 2700 RPM and stays over 110 until after 5700 rpm. I can feel a huge difference over my 12 CVO.

Power band is much wider and longer on the 13, very very noticeable.

Really noticeable when you ride the bikes back to back. Feels like my 12 is really lacking coming out of a mountain curve.

zoom · « **Reply #34 on:** April 11, 2013, 11:39:52 AM »

Yall, are missing the point!! Why make more power? Even, if you added 50 whatevers, the only bic. you will out run is one marked HD......or VW.....Its 850lbs. with 80lbs.of HD parts dept.....

zoom · « **Reply #35 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:09:25 PM »

Its all about weight to hp not t. Hd 850lbs.divided by 100hp.=8.5 Hd850lbs.divided by 150hp.=5.6 Basic sport bic. , out of the box ,any of them.400lbs. divided by 125hp.=3.2 LOWER the NUMBER the faster the bic. Quarter mile run the sport bic. wiil beat you by 1/8 mile everday........ Top speed HD at 150hp.= 140mph.... sport bic 125hp.=160....

zoom · « **Reply #36 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:17:37 PM »

LOUD does not make hp. It is a great tour bic. .......IT is not powerfull or fast..........................................................

miker · « **Reply #37 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:17:54 PM »

How much beer/pie jars and cigars can a sport bike carry? My ultra will beat a sportbike everytime..

Charlie · « **Reply #38 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:22:15 PM »

Quote from: zoom on April 11, 2013, 11:39:52 AM

Yall, are missing the point!! Why make more power? Even, if you added 50 whatevers, the only bic. you will out run is one marked HD......or VW.....Its 850lbs. with 80lbs.of HD parts dept.....

Its not about outrunning other Bikes! if racing is what people want to do they would go out and buy Superbikes! Just because a Bikes 850lbs it doesn't mean it cant be fun to ride and you certinly cant blame anyone for trying to get the best out of their motors! wether its looks or performance, the perfect Bike is different in everyones eyes and if someone wants to take their motor to its full potential its as much about the achievement of doing so as it is riding with wide open throttle!!

zoom · « **Reply #39 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:23:34 PM »

The sport bic. can pull a loaded Ultra. as cargo......Do not get me wrong I LOVE MY CVO for what it is. A tour bic.

110tHunDer · « **Reply #40 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:31:41 PM »

Why are you calling bikes "bics."

I drive a 5,000 lb. car with 425HP. Can't beat the 3500 lb. sport car with the same HP, and still wouldn't even if I dumped $5K into it to bring it up to 500HP, but it's still badass, IMO.

Enjoy your stock bike (not "bic.") and I'll enjoy my modded one. If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand.

miker · « **Reply #41 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:40:18 PM »

Never seen a gosplat bike pullin anything but I have only been around a half century of so...the trailer hitch would be waaaaay up in the air on a rice rocket, just cause I have never seen one don't mean there ain't one..

Its a kinda free country man...you can even make your bike slower if you want....I give no f ucks abour your pursuit of happiness as long as you don't tread on me.

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #42 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:42:30 PM »

Quote from: 110tHunDer on April 11, 2013, 12:31:41 PM

Why are you calling bikes "bics."

I drive a 5,000 lb. car with 425HP. Can't beat the 3500 lb. sport car with the same HP, and still wouldn't even if I dumped $5K into it to bring it up to 500HP, but it's still badass, IMO.

Enjoy your stock bike (not "bic.") and I'll enjoy my modded one. If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand.

You just beat me to it, Brian....

Are we talking about lighters or Motorcycles? I guess you could make a Bic into a welding torch, but it wouldn't be very cost effective

zoom · « **Reply #43 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:44:52 PM »

100tHunDer I to have a 5000lbs Cayenne Turbo 450hp and a 911 325hp. Your not trying to change the HP. on your cars are you? Than why on a HD what is the point? 10hp. can make a change?

Trapperdog · « **Reply #44 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:58:02 PM »

Quote from: zoom on April 11, 2013, 12:23:34 PM

The sport bic. can pull a loaded Ultra. as cargo......Do not get me wrong I LOVE MY CVO for what it is. A tour bic.

Pulling is more about Tq

miker · « **Reply #45 on:** April 11, 2013, 01:08:53 PM »

10% is 10%....I'd take a 10% salary raise for sure.....HP means nothing...motive force is all baby!

If one horse has one horsepower, how much torque does it turn?

zoom · « **Reply #46 on:** April 11, 2013, 01:12:54 PM »

Zoom has been pulling your legs. Thanks for the fun!! You guys are great. Ill cut my right arm off for 10 hp. Well talk again.

ultrarider123 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 11, 2013, 01:53:34 PM »

Quote from: zoom on April 11, 2013, 01:12:54 PM

Zoom has been pulling your legs. Thanks for the fun!! You guys are great. Ill cut my right arm off for 10 hp. Well talk again.

Obviously not playing with a full deck (or is that dec ?)

zoom · « **Reply #48 on:** April 11, 2013, 02:11:39 PM »

Ginger TIGER Full deck?

110tHunDer · « **Reply #49 on:** April 11, 2013, 02:11:42 PM »

Quote from: zoom on April 11, 2013, 12:44:52 PM

100tHunDer I to have a 5000lbs Cayenne Turbo 450hp and a 911 325hp. Your not trying to change the HP. on your cars are you? Than why on a HD what is the point? 10hp. can make a change?

If I was as into cars as I used to be (and my bias hadn't shifted to bikes), you can damn sure bet my HP budget would be directed at the SRT8.

You think no one hops up Porches?

Unbalanced · « **Reply #50 on:** April 11, 2013, 02:32:05 PM »

In no way am I trying to be rude here, but and I know its cliche, but maybe the simple response here is if I have to explain it you wouldnt understand it.

miker · « **Reply #51 on:** April 11, 2013, 02:33:27 PM »

I don't understand anything, especially softails..

1sharprdkg · « **Reply #52 on:** April 11, 2013, 07:12:29 PM »

Quote from: 110tHunDer on April 11, 2013, 02:11:42 PM

If I was as into cars as I used to be (and my bias hadn't shifted to bikes), you can damn sure bet my HP budget would be directed at the SRT8.

You think no one hops up Porches?

X2, I'm with you, would love to have one of those big SRT8 392cu in. HEMI Challengers!

SHRK2TH · « **Reply #53 on:** April 11, 2013, 07:25:19 PM »

zoom zoom zoom...Oh, thats another commercial.

I believe like mentioned above. " If you have to ask, your just not going to understand"

2018_FLTRXSE · « **Reply #54 on:** April 11, 2013, 07:40:34 PM »

That was entertaining reading... too bad I missed it!

NYSport · « **Reply #55 on:** April 11, 2013, 08:32:46 PM »

Quote from: bostonCVO on April 10, 2013, 06:37:36 PM

Just picked up my 13 RG CVO last weekend and put the first 200 miles on it. I was pleasantly surprised at how well it ran stock. Pulled like a tractor and pretty good throttle response and I am coming off a 165 HP BMW K1600 and don't feel under powered. I owned a Ducati that I over tuned to the point that it had abrupt on off throttle response that was a little scarey so not all tuning is good, some times more is not better. All this said a fullsac stage 1 is in my future, as soon as my bank account I recovers from the original purchase.

Congrats on the new ride. Fullsac is great! I miss my 749r and Hypermotard but I really love my CVO:)

FLSTFI Dave · « **Reply #56 on:** April 12, 2013, 09:00:55 AM »

Quote from: zoom on April 11, 2013, 11:39:52 AM

Yall, are missing the point!! Why make more power? Even, if you added 50 whatevers, the only bic. you will out run is one marked HD......or VW.....Its 850lbs. with 80lbs.of HD parts dept.....

who said anything about trying to out run any other bike?

Its all about making my bike more fun to ride!

If you feel that way, why get a CVO, a 103 does fine in a bagger, for that matter so does an older 96 inch motor

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