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[Steve Cole]

Well our test mule is now as broke in as it's going to get, just short of 1700 miles on it. It should go up on the dyno tomorrow or Monday at the latest and let the fun begin. Will post baseline dyno runs as soon as I have them. Then we can begin to see what's what on these new engine combinations.

[Lever]

cant wait to see,  my neighbor just bought a new 103 ltd  picking her up this weekend

[JustDennis]

Will be interesting to see the results.

[ultrarider123]

Will be interesting to see the results.

X2 on that.

[Opossum]

Well our test mule is now as broke in as it's going to get, just short of 1700 miles on it. It should go up on the dyno tomorrow or Monday at the latest and let the fun begin. Will post baseline dyno runs as soon as I have them. Then we can begin to see what's what on these new engine combinations.

Is she bone stock?

[Steve Cole]

Right now it's as it rolled out of the dealership. The exhaust will be removed so we can add instrumentation to it then reinstalled and then baseline dyno work will start. The Only way to really know what's going on is to properly instrument the bike to start with. This way there is no surprises further down the road in testing. We put it out on the road to get miles on it and now at ~1700 miles it will be what it will be. I hope to have the instrumentation done by the end of the day so we can be getting baselines on Monday

Totally stock 2014 103 limited, then we will tune it up stock to see what we get, then exhaust, air Cleaner and cams will be getting added in stages so we can develop tuneups and see what works for it. Not looking to pull the heads just yet but I'm sure it will happen further down the road.

[Opossum]

Will the new CAN bus make ya do anything different from the previous years ways?  Heard or read? that only the HD techs will be able to do anything with the ECM???

[FLTRI]

Will the new CAN bus make ya do anything different from the previous years ways?  Heard or read? that only the HD techs will be able to do anything with the ECM???

That would be the first time...if it ever happens.
There are quite a few, some on forums, who profess to bust virtually any code put in front of them.
Bob

[Steve Cole]

Will the new CAN bus make ya do anything different from the previous years ways?  Heard or read? that only the HD techs will be able to do anything with the ECM???

CAN buss has been around in the HD world since 2011 and the new ECM for 2014 Touring models still has to work on that buss same as before. We've been programming those CAN buss units all along and the 2014 just needs to get done and fully checked out before we release an update for it. The first update we release will be for 2014 Softail, Dyna and Vrod. It should be followed shortly there after with calibrations that will allow it to work with the Touring and XL models. As for programming 2014's already have that in test here and working out any bugs that we find as we find them just the same as any other time they release new models.

[Lever]

You guys rock 

[+RO@D*R@GE+]

already know a couple of people having problems with the water cooled engines!!

[Steve Cole]

already know a couple of people having problems with the water cooled engines!!

Which is just why we wanted to get at least 1000 miles on our In House Test Mule. It's already been back to the dealership for the 1000 miles service so it at least has a chance of staying together, I hope. You think if we had a failure and returned it with probes coming out of the exhaust, air cleaner housing and oil pan they might question what are you doing to it?

[Hilly13]

Waterhead is too lame, how about Wethead 

[Opossum]

Which is just why we wanted to get at least 1000 miles on our In House Test Mule. It's already been back to the dealership for the 1000 miles service so it at least has a chance of staying together, I hope. You think if we had a failure and returned it with probes coming out of the exhaust, air cleaner housing and oil pan they might question what are you doing to it?

You could just tell 'em "they all do that"   

[Steve Cole]

Waterhead is too lame, how about Wethead 

Hurry up and go patent that before HD does!

[North Georgia Hawg]

Waterhead is too lame, how about Wethead 

Someone in another thread suggested "ShowerHead". I really like that one!

Ken

[Fullsac Performance]

Here's my new 2014 "Water Pumper".  Got 20 dyno pulls in and I'm just going to say it, Mines faster than Coles.
Should be obvious, Its red! I also have paper with numbers on it that proves it will haul more ass than his.
Its also the leanest stock Harley motor I have ever seen at 14.5 AFR on the full throttle pulls and 15.0 AFR at idle.
Tuning even a stocker is going to show gains for sure.
First ride impressions:
I'm all in with the radiators! Rode it for a 100 miles in shorts on a 95 degree morning. More power and Less rider heat for sure.
The new forks are way smoother and make the back shocks seem even worse than before. The front end glides over everything and the back kicks you.
Feels more stable at speed in the sweepers too. I thought I was going to hate the integrated braking, I love it. You can panic stomp the pedal at 80 MPH
and it will smoothly bring you to a halt. Grab some front brake as well and you are seriously stopping. The new air vent does add smoothness.
The new 6.5 screen is the awesome! I was blue toothing Pandora radio from the phone in my pocket and switching stations from the thumb controls.
Hands down best Touring Harley ever produced.

Steve George
Fullsac Performance

[North Georgia Hawg]

Nice report, Steve. 14.5 at WOT? Seems like that would burn up the engine in a hurry...

Ken

[Fullsac Performance]

Nice report, Steve. 14.5 at WOT? Seems like that would burn up the engine in a hurry...

Ken

It was 14.8 after I pulled the AC. And yes the stock AC sucks, gained 4 HP just removing it.
I'm sure you could "boil it over" if you ran WOT long enough.

Steve

[tlr]

Steve,  congrats on the bike and thanks for the review. Coming from you carries tremendous credibility. Love that color. If it had the stretched bags I would jump all over it.

[Opossum]

It was 14.8 after I pulled the AC. And yes the stock AC sucks, gained 4 HP just removing it.
I'm sure you could "boil it over" if you ran WOT long enough.

Steve

did ya change the exhaust also.  Any 110's in the near future?

[North Georgia Hawg]

It was 14.8 after I pulled the AC. And yes the stock AC sucks, gained 4 HP just removing it.
I'm sure you could "boil it over" if you ran WOT long enough.

Steve

Good Lord!

Looking forward to seeing how the X-pipe, baffles, a Big Sucker, and your TUNE improves things. Seems like there's a lot of opportunity there for you, Steve! 

Ken

[redmtrckl]

 
Baseline charts please

[Steve Cole]

Steve yours is slower and you know it! We've already got ~1700 miles and yours is still a virgin. Our ECM has been molested already several times and it likes it.

[YELLOWBIRD]

Team Steve,

You guys are finding out some good info here!

In my opinion, It's great to have two off the most respected guys on this site and

else where, take friendly, funny jabs and each other.          

Can't wait for more play by play from the both of you.

All we need now is Doc to chime in!   

YB

[BUCKNUT GREG]

Cant ask for much more than the two gurus that will lead to all there little roosters spending all our feed money to create

Little Monsters.......

[Fullsac Performance]

Steve yours is slower and you know it! We've already got ~1700 miles and yours is still a virgin. Our ECM has been molested already several times and it likes it.

That's why its faster, its trying to run away from you. Well I'm patiently waiting for my turn! 

And, as soon as I can tune, my bikes getting a DX, 2.0 cores and a hi flow AC. I'm sure we will see Hi 80s for HP and 100+ for TQ with simple bolt ons.
I have two 2014 CVO Water Pumpers already lined up for Stage I kits as well. So at this point, all the pressure is on Mr Cole. So please, nobody start
any chit with him right now, he needs to stay focused at the task at hand instead of using his keyboard to crush somebody with a smaller brain than his.
Sadly, that would include myself and most of the rest of us.

I will post up before and after dyno charts as soon I have em.

Always ride with proper safety equipment and footware. Thank you.

Steve George

[Fired00d]

 

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[rider57]

Hurry up and go patent that before HD does!

Yep! You know about that now.

[rider57]

That's why its faster, its trying to run away from you. Well I'm patiently waiting for my turn!  

And, as soon as I can tune, my bikes getting a DX, 2.0 cores and a hi flow AC. I'm sure we will see Hi 80s for HP and 100+ for TQ with simple bolt ons.
I have two 2014 CVO Water Pumpers already lined up for Stage I kits as well. So at this point, all the pressure is on Mr Cole. So please, nobody start
any chit with him right now, he needs to stay focused at the task at hand instead of using his keyboard to crush somebody with a smaller brain than his.
Sadly, that would include myself and most of the rest of us.

I will post up before and after dyno charts as soon I have em.

Always ride with proper safety equipment and footware. Thank you.

Steve George

Lame numbers for anything that was hyped to be a major improvement to stock H-D's.

[Hilly13]

Yep! You know about that now.

They can have it, there is more to that comment though.......

[Fullsac Performance]

Lame numbers for anything that was hyped to be a major improvement to stock H-D's.

Actually, the improvement was pretty substantial. I have dynoed a ton of bone stock 103s in the last three years.
Very seldom do they break 70 HP on my dyno. 66-69 is the norm. The first pull on this 2014 was 77 HP.
I dropped the AC and seen 81HP and 94TQ with an AFR of almost 15-1. I think we will see well over 100 HP with bolt in
cams very easily. I have a used pair of Woods 777s laying around, going to try them first. I'm excited about it, something new to tweak on!

Steve

[Steve Cole]

Dyno Pulls of ALL Stock with sample for AFR from exit of exhaust port.

[Steve Cole]

Dyno Pulls of ALL Stock with sample for AFR from exit of exhaust port.

[mayor]

was that all run in 6th gear Steve (Cole)?  That looks to be a nice improvement over the previous bone stock stock cammed bike. 

[Fullsac Performance]

Dyno Pulls of ALL Stock with sample for AFR from exit of exhaust port.

Sampling AFR from behind the cat was skewing the numbers as you suggested. Must be time to remove the cat.

Steve

[North Georgia Hawg]

Sampling AFR from behind the cat was skewing the numbers as you suggested. Must be time to remove the cat.

Steve

I HATE CATS!!!

Ken

[Steve Cole]

was that all run in 6th gear Steve (Cole)?  That looks to be a nice improvement over the previous bone stock stock cammed bike. 

I do ALL our testing in 5th gear on 6 speed bikes. All are SAE corrected and I do many runs just to make sure that we see everything there is to see. I ran the first bike the exact same way, while it was lower on power and torque this was the reason I want to make sure that we got enough miles on our in house test bike to make sure that was not going to be an issue. Makes you wonder if the bikes need break in miles or are they going to be spread around that much in power numbers? Air Cleaner and Cycle Shack slip-ons going on next to see what the system does with that, then tuning goes in to get those results. After that it will be New Exhaust and tuning again followed by camshaft changes and tuning for those. While all this takes time it's the only way to really know whats going on.

Proper sampling and repeatability is everything when this type testing is being done. We need to be able to back-up and get the same results we got the last time or it's all for not.

[Steve Cole]

Limited 2014 MY update has been released for all of you that have been waiting. This release allows for testing and programming of 2014 model year EXCEPT Touring models. I do not have the base calibrations completed for the Touring bikes yet so that will be released as soon as I have a few base calibrations for both the air cooled and water cooled engines.

So if you have a 2014 Softail, Dyna, V-rod or Sportster your now good to go. Also, on a side note HD changed the wiring of the diagnostic connector on the 2014 Touring bikes ONLY. ALL other models remained the same as before. This requires a new cable set and they are now in stock and can be ordered from our dealers.

[limited1432]

WaterHog...........

[AMEDD_SFC]

Here's my new 2014 "Water Pumper".  Got 20 dyno pulls in and I'm just going to say it, Mines faster than Coles.
Should be obvious, Its red! I also have paper with numbers on it that proves it will haul more ass than his.
Its also the leanest stock Harley motor I have ever seen at 14.5 AFR on the full throttle pulls and 15.0 AFR at idle.
Tuning even a stocker is going to show gains for sure.
First ride impressions:
I'm all in with the radiators! Rode it for a 100 miles in shorts on a 95 degree morning. More power and Less rider heat for sure.
The new forks are way smoother and make the back shocks seem even worse than before. The front end glides over everything and the back kicks you.
Feels more stable at speed in the sweepers too. I thought I was going to hate the integrated braking, I love it. You can panic stomp the pedal at 80 MPH
and it will smoothly bring you to a halt. Grab some front brake as well and you are seriously stopping. The new air vent does add smoothness.
The new 6.5 screen is the awesome! I was blue toothing Pandora radio from the phone in my pocket and switching stations from the thumb controls.
Hands down best Touring Harley ever produced.

Steve George
Fullsac Performance

Dear Steve:

I am very happy to see your enthusiasm for the new engines!  I have decided to go with the 110 Sleeper setup.  I can't wait to get my order in.  Waiting on a refund from the dealer which should fund this endeavor nicely! 

I also pass along that the technicians at my HD dealer are familiar your system and it comes highly recommended.  The lead tech told me there would be no warranty issues even if I did the work myself.  Tho' I am going to have the shop do it anyway.  They can get it done a heck of a lot faster than I can and it doesn't hurt to build some good will.  I like having work done by professionals anyway.  And until they start coming into my laboratory to test blood, I'll let them take care of the mechanical work on my baby.    i.e., I can turn a wrench, but a mechanic I'm not.

Kind Regards,

Mark

[limited1432]

Better name .....wet on the head

[joe_lyons50023]

The sportsters also have the six pin connectors. So a new cable will be needed for them.

[Steve Cole]

Yes, the XL line has gone to CAN and now uses a 6 pin connector but HD wired the XL, Dyna, Softail all the same as previous years for CAN. So customers can use what we have out in the field already. On the 2014 Touring ONLY did they decided to change the wiring, so it required a cable change for us. So now we have two different 6 pin cables due to this change. We made the new cable grey at the 6 pin end and our other 6 pin is all black so they are very easy to tell apart.

[joe_lyons50023]

I wonder why harley changed the wiring for the dlc on touring?

[Steve Cole]

Probably saved them a penny or two per bike!

[joe_lyons50023]

So was digital tech/sepst able to adapt to the new wiring?  I know harley didn't send us a new cable for either or.

[SE120R]

2014 SE book part# 41000018 Tuner cable kit, Says " For use with '12-later Dyna, '11-Later Softail and '14 Touring models.   

[Steve Cole]

Made good progress this week and Beta Software is going to Beta testers for the 2014 Touring bikes now. Here is a sneak preview of whats coming. 103 base calibrations are being finished up both air and water cooled and CVO 110 are for next week.

[Steve Cole]

Plenty of new tuning items for the tuners to do there jobs. The Active exhaust features are only for HDI calibrations as it's not used in the USA.

[Midnight Rider]

All I've got to say is that How lucky are we to have expertise on this site like this?  Thanks, Steve...

[Mr. Wizard]

Nice job Steve

Congrats

[joe_lyons50023]

Now people will get to choose between  throttle position and manifold pressure for tuning.  Except for sepst users.

[Steve Cole]

Here is the before and after with a pair of Kerker [sp] Slipons and A/C on the 103, next is the full exhaust. Should go over 100 ft lbs with the full exhaust on the stock bike with a tuneup IMHO.

[INDEPENDENT_1]

So can it be either-or on the VE's, Steve? Or are they just shown in the software and you have to use one or the other based on model-year being either Lambda or AFR? What's the skinny? I hope you understand what I'm asking...

[Rooster]

Wow, that is the wildest AFR lines I have ever seen

[110tHunDer]

 
Not really.  His scale is pretty narrow.  Could actually be some of the best AFR lines ever.

[Rooster]

Maybe I don't know what Im looking at

[110tHunDer]

 
The wider the scale, the smoother the lines will be.  Here, the scale is only from 12 - 14, so the changes are exaggerated.  More often than not, the scales are running from 10 - 18, or so.  The same data graphed on that scale would show a much smoother line, particularly, the blue line. 

[Steve Cole]

The DynoJet default scale for printing (that is used by most) is set at 0 - 20 AFR by DynoJet so things look much better than they really are. This is one of the many reasons I have to ask people what do they really think they are looking at. I've showed many dyno operators how to reset the scale on it and they cannot believe there eyes when we do it. Swings of +/- 1.0 AFR is very common when you change the scale to something that is useful from the DynoJet settings.

[rider57]

The DynoJet default scale for printing (that is used by most) is set at 0 - 20 AFR by DynoJet so things look much better than they really are. This is one of the many reasons I have to ask people what do they really think they are looking at. I've showed many dyno operators how to reset the scale on it and they cannot believe there eyes when we do it. Swings of +/- 1.0 AFR is very common when you change the scale to something that is useful from the DynoJet settings.

This is a commonly overlooked issue that most dont know about.

[Hilly13]

I would be happy if that was my blue line 

[joe_lyons50023]

What was the crank comp of that bike Steve?  I like the fan off and on adjustment.
What's the xmiss gear ratios?

[DRAGO B W]

As always it was a pleasure talking with today Steve C. You are always a wealth of knowledge.
This what we got out of her so far with our 2;1 pipe Dragula But she only has 40 miles on her. I am waiting the customer to get at least 1000 so we can do some more playing. But I wish I had one of the TTS not the SE tuner we have. And thanks for clearing up some of the issues we are seeing I thought I was going crazy.......

Stock 2014
Stock air cleaner did not take it off
Dragula 2.55 baffle 3 step header
5th gear pull

[Steve Cole]

Well let's get everyone else up to speed. Frank was having issues when tuning and thought that he was doing something wrong. Sorry, but it's not what Frank was doing yet what HD has done. The 2014 new ECM and code that HD has done for the Touring and CVO models has problems! The code is not properly handling the HD-LAN messages. These problems have been reported by myself to the HD factory to people I still know there from when we did there work. We have completely documented the problems and have all the data captures to prove just what is going on. The problems can be created with the factory tools the dealership has (ie: Digital Tech) so it's not something we've done. I've spent the better part of three weeks chasing the problems only to find out that it is not being caused by what we are doing. To make a long story short when you hook up DT or the SESPT it will cause the security light to come on in the dash. This light coming on is a sign that the ECM is now screwing up the HD_LAN messages! These messages are how all the various modules on the bike talk to one another. So now there are going to be trouble codes stored as historic codes in the ECM and some of the other modules. What all is going wrong when this happens we do not know but what we do know is the the odometer no longer works correctly, the ABS brake system, the IPC and the BCM all report loss of signals! There are other things that go on as well but let's just say it was really causing us to think we must be doing something wrong.

After being able to create these exact problems with both the Digital Tech system and the new SESPT unit at the dealership with a stock bike we were somewhat relieved that it was not us but also knew that we have to do something with our product to try and stop the issues the best we can. While we cannot stop it 100%, we have been able to get rid of most of it but it does come at a cost in system performance. Once our Beta testing wraps up I will let everyone know what we did to get the product up and going but for know we are going to keep it to ourselves.

[joe_lyons50023]

With my recordings that I did I noticed that the odo, ambient air temp, oil press did not update and I thought this was just a protocall thing but its weird the last one I did it didn't do this and everything updated and no codes poked up but it did record an 8 mile ride.

I could send you the recordings if you would like Steve.

[Lever]

are these problem also being reported with the power vision  products ?

[joe_lyons50023]

are these problem also being reported with the power vision  products ?

The guys at PV have already figured this out.

[hrdtail78]

are these problem also being reported with the power vision  products ?

Since the PV just updated Oct. 1, with no map data base.  It might be too early to tell.  I do know I have heard of someone having trouble updating already though.

[joe_lyons50023]

They have 4 maps so far on their website.  I seen that someone had an issue updating the software or firmware also but I know mine update both fine w/o any issues.

[Steve Cole]

With my recordings that I did I noticed that the odo, ambient air temp, oil press did not update and I thought this was just a protocall thing but its weird the last one I did it didn't do this and everything updated and no codes poked up but it did record an 8 mile ride.

I could send you the recordings if you would like Steve.

Joe

You think all those things happening are acceptable, I donot! Maybe you need to dig a little deeper and really learn what's all going on as those things only scratch the surface of it all. As for you saying PV has it figured out that's great but there are other reports that's clearly NOT the case.

http://www.hdforums.com/forum/electrical-ignition-tuner-ecm-fuel-injection/617661-power-vision-information-thread-sticky-approved-by-admin-548.html

post #5478 and #5479 clearly spells out a different story than the one your trying to tell. Post $5489 from today kind of says it all!

"he is going to dynojet. working on the 2014 stuff and he did mention the new updates not working right. if anyone needs to go back till they get the bugs worked out he said to contact dynojet or fuelmoto and they can assist in getting the back flash done for you."

I do not think anyone has it ALL figured out completely but this has put us over 3 weeks behind to try and solve this. So far the reports from our Beta testers tell us everything is working fine but I'm not going to rush something out until its fully tested as it's just not worth it to me.

[Fullsac Performance]

Working with the latest version of the TTS Mastertune Beta Software for the 2014s and having no issues.
VTune is incredably fast sampling at 40 hits per second cutting the time required and wear and tear on the bike substantially.
Here's the latest before and after dyno chart from our 2014 103 Water Cooled Limited.

Parts list
X Pipe. 2.0 recored OEM mufflers. S+S Stealth AC.
Both pulls 6th gear SAE.

Steve George
Fullsac Performance

[joe_lyons50023]

Joe

You think all those things happening are acceptable, I donot! Maybe you need to dig a little deeper and really learn what's all going on as those things only scratch the surface of it all. As for you saying PV has it figured out that's great but there are other reports that's clearly NOT the case.

http://www.hdforums.com/forum/electrical-ignition-tuner-ecm-fuel-injection/617661-power-vision-information-thread-sticky-approved-by-admin-548.html

post #5478 and #5479 clearly spells out a different story than the one your trying to tell. Post $5489 from today kind of says it all!

"he is going to dynojet. working on the 2014 stuff and he did mention the new updates not working right. if anyone needs to go back till they get the bugs worked out he said to contact dynojet or fuelmoto and they can assist in getting the back flash done for you."

I do not think anyone has it ALL figured out completely but this has put us over 3 weeks behind to try and solve this. So far the reports from our Beta testers tell us everything is working fine but I'm not going to rush something out until its fully tested as it's just not worth it to me.

Wow Steve I was offering to add some recordings to help if you needed but that's cool.  Don't worry I won't offer again.  I never said that was acceptable but just an observation.  Hope you solve the issue great god of harley efi.

PS. What you posted from hdforum had nothing to do with 2014 touring bikes but good try.

[Steve Cole]

Not a god by any means, just someone digging out issues, reporting them and trying to solve them. A little common sense is all it takes to work to learn and understand this stuff.

[FLTRI]

....A little common sense is all it takes to work to learn and understand this stuff...

Yeah, and 30+ years EFI experience, 5+ years working directly with HD and others connected to the Delphi system, spends 24/7 working or thinking about how to improve his product, and most importantly a true gearhead and lifelong hotrodder!
It IS NOT JUST COMMON SENSE, STEVE! LOL
BOB

[joe_lyons50023]

If you have nuts on your chest what do you call those? "Chest nuts".  If you have nuts on your chin what do you call that?

[FLSTFI Dave]

^^^^^

Use to stuff like this on other harley sites, but not this one.  Which is why I am on this one.

[HOGMIKE]

 

[Steve Cole]

Wow Steve I was offering to add some recordings to help if you needed but that's cool.  Don't worry I won't offer again.  I never said that was acceptable but just an observation.  Hope you solve the issue great god of harley efi.

PS. What you posted from hdforum had nothing to do with 2014 touring bikes but good try.

Joe

You have an issue with telling the truth and for the record that would only slow or stop development work, so we would not ask you for any help. I guess that Dynojet removed the 2014 update from there site due to it worked so great. Look it happens, things do not work as planned and you have to take care of it and that is just what Dynojet is doing, so get off the nut swinging you have for PV and let people know the truth as it's going to get out anyways. They will get it fixed and re-release it again, that's just the way we would do it too. As far as the issues I reported they are real and it is well beyond what you know or understand.

[brwk]

At least this is entertaining 

[North Georgia Hawg]

Joe

You have an issue with telling the truth and for the record that would only slow or stop development work, so we would not ask you for any help. I guess that Dynojet removed the 2014 update from there site due to it worked so great. Look it happens, things do not work as planned and you have to take care of it and that is just what Dynojet is doing, so get off the nut swinging you have for PV and let people know the truth as it's going to get out anyways. They will get it fixed and re-release it again, that's just the way we would do it too. As far as the issues I reported they are real and it is well beyond what you know or understand.

  

[joe_lyons50023]

The server issue that PV is encountering has nothing to do with any issue to do with any of the 2014 bikes.  Truly enough the issues that you are working through the guys at PV have already encountered and worked through it.  Yes I like dynojet because they have helped me many times and have treated me very well so as long as they keep up their great work I will continue to appreciate their products.  I never said that there weren't any issues with the 2014 touring bikes but just that others have worked through it and are doing well.  I hope harley gets this figured out so things can progress well.

[murphy]

 

[Lever]

you know I do not think this is as of yet ..what I have personally learned just in the last few post
is  I'm glad I have TTS on my bike ...steve has done a  tremendous job keeping us inform and updated with 2014 models ..and only releasing when the product is truly ready for open market ...
sorry if this doesnt make sense...  feeling sick today

[murphy]

  wasn't for Steve...

[joe_lyons50023]

I've never owned a horse before.lol. Steve I seen that you have tables for what temp. the fans kick on and off, does that also affect when the bike is shut off and kick on?

[Steve Cole]

The server issue that PV is encountering has nothing to do with any issue to do with any of the 2014 bikes.  Truly enough the issues that you are working through the guys at PV have already encountered and worked through it.  Yes I like dynojet because they have helped me many times and have treated me very well so as long as they keep up their great work I will continue to appreciate their products.  I never said that there weren't any issues with the 2014 touring bikes but just that others have worked through it and are doing well.  I hope harley gets this figured out so things can progress well.

Joe

Believe what you want but I wasn't born yesterday! They removed the 4 103wc 2014 Touring calibrations (which is all they had) from the cal selection updater and the update with the 2014 Touring was removed. Everything else on there site works fine. Funny how it's ONLY the 2014 touring calibrations and the update for 2014 that the servers is having issued with but according to you it has nothing to do with 2014 touring bikes.

[hrdtail78]

Working with the latest version of the TTS Mastertune Beta Software for the 2014s and having no issues.
VTune is incredably fast sampling at 40 hits per second cutting the time required and wear and tear on the bike substantially.

 
  Faster mapping of the VE's so we can get to the good stuff.

[Fullsac Performance]

  Faster mapping of the VE's so we can get to the good stuff.

The wide open pulls!   

[Steve Cole]

All the 2014 bikes tunes are now released with calibration for both watercooled, air cooled, 103's and 110's. Beta tester have not had any issue for the past few weeks so it time to let it out to the public. Just run your software updater to get all the new stuff.

[Lever]

grats steve

[HDMAN]

Hi Steve,
I am ready to break the seal on my TTS but I am curious as to why Fullsac mufflers were not used on the air cooled. Also is the testing done with cats removed. Which map is best for a 2014 with open air cleaner and catless exhaust with 2.25 fullsac baffles. Thanks I have had great results with past bikes.
Gene

[Steve Cole]

Test bikes have what they have on them when we get them to use. As such the calibrations are made to those parts. We can only control our in house bikes and those are the ones that will get various parts over and over again.

[Mr D]

Test bikes have what they have on them when we get them to use. As such the calibrations are made to those parts. We can only control our in house bikes and those are the ones that will get various parts over and over again.

Steve,

 
'14 twin cooled 103 LTD using 2" Fullsac cores, open air  box, is it money well spent using a 'non' cat headpipe with a good tune using of course, TTS
or is OE headpipe sufficient?

Thanks in advance,

Tom

[Steve Cole]

If it were mine I would use the Fullsac head pipe. That said I have seen cut stock head pipes that did not cause a problem and others that have very much caused problems. So trying to use a modified stock head pipe is a  luck of the draw type thing and on a 25K plus bike is it worth it to you?

[Mr D]

If it were mine I would use the Fullsac head pipe. That said I have seen cut stock head pipes that did not cause a problem and others that have very much caused problems. So trying to use a modified stock head pipe is a  luck of the draw type thing and on a 25K plus bike is it worth it to you?

No,,,I would'nt use any other headpipe than a FullSac

i was inquiring if the $400+ for the headpipe was money well spent vs. keeping the OE headpipe

[North Georgia Hawg]

If it were mine I would use the Fullsac head pipe. That said I have seen cut stock head pipes that did not cause a problem and others that have very much caused problems. So trying to use a modified stock head pipe is a  luck of the draw type thing and on a 25K plus bike is it worth it to you?

Hey Steve... Whatchu talkin' 'bout... $25K? This is CVOHarley, man!

$25K is only the ANTE to play in THIS Poker Game!!!  

LOL

BTW, congrats on getting the new cals finished up and available. Now, about Flight Recorder... 

Ken

[Steve Cole]

"Flight Record" Software for those of you with the Mastertune2 HD-06 interface is now released for public use. Have fun collecting data with no PC attached while you ride on those Closed Coarse test rides.

[North Georgia Hawg]

"Flight Record" Software for those of you with the Mastertune2 HD-06 interface is now released for public use. Have fun collecting data with no PC attached while you ride on those Closed Coarse test rides.

NICE! Congrats again, and THANKS! 

Ken

[hdbrad03]

So how do you fire up the "Flight Recorder"?


 

     Brad

[mayor]

you just need to run the updater and download the flight recorder program. 

[mayor]

ok, when's Vtune 3 coming out (with timing adjustments)?   

[joe_lyons50023]

Is flight recorder working on the 14 touring?  I too am interested in vtune 3.

[Fullsac Performance]

Is flight recorder working on the 14 touring?  I too am interested in vtune 3.

I ran about 200 miles on my 2014 with the Flight recorder Wednesday. You can set it up to record almost any data you like. All of my Vtuning in the was done in the dyno room so I set it up to record generic data that included detailed engine and coolant temps. Having only ever seen engine and head temps in the dyno room, I was very interested in seeing actual temps at cruising speeds. I was pleasantly surprised to see a max coolant temp of 171 deg even while cruising at 95 MPH. I will be adding two more fans in the dyno room asap! Currently the radiator fans turn off at speeds above 13 MPH. No issues on the highway, but the dyno room was another story. I have seen coolant temps as high as 230 Deg after continuous full throttle pulls. Steady 15-25 MPH traffic is another potential issue for boil over with zero fan activity. Cole and I have discussed this with mutual concern and are going to gather more data. Its possible that we may see a MPH fan on/off table in the future. My personal concerns with boil over is the location of the coolant over flow. Lets imagine your involved in a session of floor board grinding and the coolant catch tank over flows in the front and coolant migrates to the back tire? Totally possible with the current location of the coolant spill over tube. The thought of loosing the back tire at full lean and hi siding a 900 pound Bagger is a little concerning for me. I will be running my overflow tube to the rear of the bike before hitting the twisties.

Steve George
Fullsac Performance

[hrdtail78]

Is flight recorder working on the 14 touring?  I too am interested in vtune 3.

Yes, it works on 14 touring.  Read page 6 for yourself.

[redmtrckl]

ok, when's Vtune 3 coming out (with timing adjustments)?