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Re: Gear drive cam VS chain
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2007, 08:36:49 PM »

Well with HD saying that .010 runout is good hard to say what will happen. I fail to see how they can say on one hand that 10 thou runout is fine but that is triple the spec on the oil pump. Being that the oil pump has the pinion running through the pump?? :Nixie's:

0.010 thousands crank run - out is crazy! I'm a supervisor at a power plant and if I have a fan shaft or a pulley shaft out anything over 0.005 thousands I will replace it ASAP!  I will challenge HD on this one believe me.

OK back to cams, I like Bobby Woods Gear driven cams, but with this new cam system I'm not so sure you need gear driven cams? The good thing about Bobby Woods is that you can call him tell him what you have in your engine,  and he will recommend the right cut cam for your bike.

The gear driven cams on my 95 CI did make difference because the gears have a lot less slop, and the timing is far better than with the old chain driven system
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Re: Gear drive cam VS chain
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2007, 08:44:06 PM »

0.010 thousands crank run - out is crazy! I'm a supervisor at a power plant and if I have a fan shaft or a pulley shaft out anything over 0.005 thousands I will replace it ASAP!  I will challenge HD on this one believe me.

OK back to cams, I like Bobby Woods Gear driven cams, but with this new cam system I'm not so sure you need gear driven cams? The good thing about Bobby Woods is that you can call him tell him what you have in your engine,  and he will recommend the right cut cam for your bike.

The gear driven cams on my 95 CI did make difference because the gears have a lot less slop, and the timing is far better than with the old chain driven system

Thanks for this informative thread gang! After reading all this, and talking to Brian, I think I'll keep my stock hydraulic tensioner setup, with the chain-drive CR595 cams, as is. Even though I'm striving for zero runout, with a Timkin bearing & S&S forged flywheel bottom end, where I shouldn't worry about using a gear drive, I think I'll keep it as is for awhile. I can monitor it's wear (after 8600 miles so far, no wear) and convert to gear drive anytime I want. But right now, that 700 bucks will pay for the Zumo 550! ::)

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Re: Gear drive cam VS chain
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2007, 08:49:47 PM »

Thanks for this informative thread gang! After reading all this, and talking to Brian, I think I'll keep my stock hydraulic tensioner setup, with the chain-drive CR595 cams, as is. Even though I'm striving for zero runout, with a Timkin bearing & S&S forged flywheel bottom end, where I shouldn't worry about using a gear drive, I think I'll keep it as is for awhile. I can monitor it's wear (after 8600 miles so far, no wear) and convert to gear drive anytime I want. But right now, that 700 bucks will pay for the Zumo 550! ::)

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Good decision Howie... :2vrolijk_21:...safe cam choice - and your gonna love the Zumo...w/XM...and get the weather option..!

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Re: Gear drive cam VS chain
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2007, 08:54:47 PM »

Good decision Howie... :2vrolijk_21:...safe cam choice - and your gonna love the Zumo...w/XM...and get the weather option..!

later...Scott

Thanks a lot Scott. I'm going with the weather and XM. You know me man. All or nothing! ::)

I now see no reason to change the cams for the same performance right now! ;)

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Re: Gear drive cam VS chain
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2007, 09:43:28 PM »

Thanks a lot Scott. I'm going with the weather and XM. You know me man. All or nothing! ::)
I now see no reason to change the cams for the same performance right now! ;)

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Re: Gear drive cam VS chain
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2007, 11:45:22 PM »

Thanks for this informative thread gang! After reading all this, and talking to Brian, I think I'll keep my stock hydraulic tensioner setup, with the chain-drive CR595 cams, as is. Even though I'm striving for zero runout, with a Timkin bearing & S&S forged flywheel bottom end, where I shouldn't worry about using a gear drive, I think I'll keep it as is for awhile. I can monitor it's wear (after 8600 miles so far, no wear) and convert to gear drive anytime I want. But right now, that 700 bucks will pay for the Zumo 550! ::)

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There ya go, Howie.  I was die hard against getting one of these things, but since I've had my ZUMO 550, I can't imagine being without it.  I even take it with me in the truck.  Punch in "NAPA," and it pulls up every one within 100 miles.  Way cool.
I'm without regret for switching to gears, but I do know the new style chain cams and the new style oil pump are leaps and bounds above what was in my engine before the mod.  Either way, you can't go wrong.

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Re: Gear drive cam VS chain
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2007, 09:41:57 PM »

Well, another change in plans. Vern took the engine completely apart. He doesn't like how tight the cam assembly spins. It may be less tension than the old spring loaded setup. But he's still not crazy about using this 2 chain setup. So, on his recommendation, I'm going to gear drive. Much less drag than the chain drive. No tensioners to worry about, A proper crank setup will insure it will maintain proper gear alignment. ;)

Vern told me he'd use what I want him to. After all this, since I'm not the expert, I will do as he recommends. After this is done, the entire engine will be completely blessed and backed by him. He's happy with the CycleRama and Feuling parts in the top end. So I'll have Wes make the same cams for gear drive application. I think we have the components finalized now, and will just be waiting for the CR parts to come in, to assemble it. It could be done before the holidays now. Merry Xmas to me! :2vrolijk_21:

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