Post by: mark on July 30, 2019, 04:17:08 PM
https://www.rideapart.com/articles/362483/new-indian-challenger-motorcycle-leak/
Post by: BigLew on July 30, 2019, 05:07:09 PM
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Post by: bluegoose on July 30, 2019, 05:38:13 PM
Polaris Industries (NYSE: PII) delivered a strong second-quarter earnings report driven by surprising strength in its global motorcycle business as it launched a new bike that allowed the powersports-vehicle manufacturer to beat expectations and raise the low end of its full-year guidance.
Polaris posted a 15% sales gain for its motorcycle segment during the period, despite North American Indian sales slipping by mid-single-digit percentages and the three-wheeled Slingshot pulling the segment down further.
CFO Michael Speetzen said not only did Indian gain market share in the quarter from the introduction of the FTR 1200 motorcycle, but it also helped boost international sales 41% from last year while pushing sales of parts, garments, and accessories 11% higher.
Post by: OBB on July 30, 2019, 09:14:35 PM
Per recent news articles it appears Polaris Industries continues to be a big problem for Harley. Looking forward to seeing some goods pics of the new fairing design.It's been said many times before, easy to have nice percentage gains when you don't do the volume of your competition. Sell 1,000 bikes this year and 1,100 next year and you have a 10% gain. Try getting a 10% gain on 100,000 bikes in a year.
Polaris Industries (NYSE: PII) delivered a strong second-quarter earnings report driven by surprising strength in its global motorcycle business as it launched a new bike that allowed the powersports-vehicle manufacturer to beat expectations and raise the low end of its full-year guidance.
Polaris posted a 15% sales gain for its motorcycle segment during the period, despite North American Indian sales slipping by mid-single-digit percentages and the three-wheeled Slingshot pulling the segment down further.
CFO Michael Speetzen said not only did Indian gain market share in the quarter from the introduction of the FTR 1200 motorcycle, but it also helped boost international sales 41% from last year while pushing sales of parts, garments, and accessories 11% higher.
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Post by: mark on July 30, 2019, 11:17:30 PM
It's been said many times before, easy to have nice percentage gains when you don't do the volume of your competition. Sell 1,000 bikes this year and 1,100 next year and you have a 10% gain. Try getting a 10% gain on 100,000 bikes in a year.But volume doesn't guarantee success, just look at General Motors. Had it not been for Uncle Sugar's bailout, they'd be bankrupt. Remember Magnavox, Philco, Kenmore, Admiral, et al..all TV manufactures that dominated the US market at one point.
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Post by: SDCVO on July 31, 2019, 12:04:17 AM
Post by: OBB on July 31, 2019, 06:39:12 AM
But volume doesn't guarantee success, just look at General Motors. Had it not been for Uncle Sugar's bailout, they'd be bankrupt. Remember Magnavox, Philco, Kenmore, Admiral, et al..all TV manufactures that dominated the US market at one point.Never said it did. Just stated it's easy to show nice percentage gains when volumes are smaller.
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 31, 2019, 07:07:20 AM
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Post by: Glenncarp on August 08, 2019, 06:03:51 PM
Last quarter Indian sales were up 18%
Best friend owner Indian dresser for 2 years. Loved bike except it handled like a cinder block on 2 wheels, he is now back on a Street Glide because of handling issue.
I played with his GPS system. snazzy looking, but terrible. No way to import a route, Indian has the idea that you create them on the bike screen, bad idea. This was 2 years ago, so this maybe different now. Stereo was terrible sounding and not much after market stuff available. After seeing all that, decided to stay with HD even with all if their issues.
Post by: mark on August 08, 2019, 06:52:09 PM
Best friend owner Indian dresser for 2 years. Loved bike except it handled like a cinder block on 2 wheels, he is now back on a Street Glide because of handling issue.Your post is incorrect, IMO. I challenge you to find a bike article criticizing Indian handling. I don't think you will, because I've never read one. I've owned one...it's the best handling tourer I've ridden (except the BMW K1600B) and I've owned three HD tourers. Regarding the GPS - you can import routes, just like a Garmin or on your HD. As a matter of fact, you can create the route on your home computer, wirelessly transfer it to your smartphone, take your phone to the bike, and wirelessly transfer the route to the bike. Perhaps your friend didn't know how to use his.
I played with his GPS system. snazzy looking, but terrible. No way to import a route, Indian has the idea that you create them on the bike screen, bad idea. This was 2 years ago, so this maybe different now. Stereo was terrible sounding and not much after market stuff available. After seeing all that, decided to stay with HD even with all if their issues.
Post by: Glenncarp on August 08, 2019, 06:54:53 PM
Your post is incorrect, IMO. I challenge you to find a bike article criticizing Indian handling. I don't think you will, because I've never read one. I've owned one...it's the best handling tourer I've ridden (except the BMW K1600B) and I've owned three HD tourers. Regarding the GPS - you can import routes, just like a Garmin or on your HD. As a matter of fact, you can create the route on your home computer, wirelessly transfer it to your smartphone, take your phone to the bike, and wirelessly transfer the route to the bike. Perhaps your friend didn't know how to use his.
You owned and rode one. I just played with his. I was just relaying what he said and riding next to him on his 2019 Street Glide. Lol. Why did you go back to HD?
Post by: mark on August 08, 2019, 07:53:52 PM
You owned and rode one. I just played with his. I was just relaying what he said and riding next to him on his 2019 Street Glide. Lol. Why did you go back to HD?I haven't gone back yet. For HD to get me back they're going to have to do several things: produce an engine not plagued with problems, offer a good suspension (my 2010 CVO SG was awful on the rear), figure out how to not have recall after recall for their hydraulic systems, produce a Nav and sound system that works correctly and is bug free, start incorporating technology in their bikes, such as: traction control, varible ride modes, electronic adjustable suspension, radial disc brakes, inverted front forks, Apple Car Play, reverse gear, varible valve timing, water-cooled engine option with higher HP, etc. I'm watching other manufacturers pass them by. Im afraid the MoCo, rather than incorporating any new tech, is relying on "Performance Paint" and similar ideas.
Post by: Macdaddy on August 09, 2019, 07:47:35 AM
I haven't gone back yet. For HD to get me back they're going to have to do several things: produce an engine not plagued with problems, offer a good suspension (my 2010 CVO SG was awful on the rear), figure out how to not have recall after recall for their hydraulic systems, produce a Nav and sound system that works correctly and is bug free, start incorporating technology in their bikes, such as: traction control, varible ride modes, electronic adjustable suspension, radial disc brakes, inverted front forks, Apple Car Play, reverse gear, varible valve timing, water-cooled engine option with higher HP, etc. I'm watching other manufacturers pass them by. Im afraid the MoCo, rather than incorporating any new tech, is relying on "Performance Paint" and similar ideas.
Isn't that called a Gold Wing?
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 09, 2019, 07:53:46 AM
Isn't that called a Gold Wing?
Now DAT'S phuny rat dare... :huepfenjump3: :bananarock: :huepfenlol2: :nervous: :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: bigchuck on August 09, 2019, 07:58:02 AM
Last quarter Indian sales were up 18%
It is easier to show large percentages of increase when you have a small market share.
Post by: mark on August 09, 2019, 09:36:38 AM
Isn't that called a Gold Wing?Got to keep up with technology, or die in the scrapyard of yesteryear. I recall the heresy when HD went with fuel injection, ABS brakes, onboard navigation, etc. But now, few would want to go back to carbs, paper maps, & standard brakes. I can't imagine someone not wanting the best braking, suspension, & power available. Just because Honda or BMW did it first, doesn't make it a bad idea. HD has always lagged behind the industry.
Post by: fastfreddy on August 09, 2019, 03:47:04 PM
Post by: scottt on August 10, 2019, 10:30:46 PM
Got to keep up with technology, or die in the scrapyard of yesteryear. I recall the heresy when HD went with fuel injection, ABS brakes, onboard navigation, etc. But now, few would want to go back to carbs, paper maps, & standard brakes. I can't imagine someone not wanting the best braking, suspension, & power available. Just because Honda or BMW did it first, doesn't make it a bad idea. HD has always lagged behind the industry.Mark; i was loyal to Harley for 28 years. 12 new Harleys.
When i decided to buy my next bike i did some comparison shopping and purchased a BMW K1600B or bagger.
Still love Harleys, just accept that they are more like owning a 57 Chevy restomod. Cool looking with reasonable performance.
The BMW K1600B is a whole different planet. If you love riding, especially back roads it's an absolute blast! Test ride one and your hooked.
I'm no longer loyal to one brand. Ride what you like! Do what's best for you! Personally i like German made products. The German way of doing things.
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Post by: fastfreddy on August 11, 2019, 12:36:52 AM
Post by: mark on August 11, 2019, 09:54:21 AM
Any body seen one of these knock offs yet 😳.... you would think some would have a ride report by now & tell us what a great bike it is :worthless:Not released yet and the teaser video didn't show enough of the bike to really see it. Specs not released yet either.
Post by: fastfreddy on August 11, 2019, 11:31:32 AM
Not released yet and the teaser video didn't show enough of the bike to really see it. Specs not released yet either.ok, I will hold my comments :nixweiss:
Post by: mattm on September 04, 2019, 04:54:53 PM
Post by: OBB on September 04, 2019, 08:47:57 PM
Teaser pic shown in background here:Get rid of the damn fender ornament....
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Post by: mark on September 04, 2019, 10:52:12 PM
Get rid of the damn fender ornament....She doesn't come with the bike...you'd have to buy her separately.
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Post by: OBB on September 05, 2019, 06:08:24 AM
She doesn't come with the bike...you'd have to buy her separately.:D :D :D :drink:
Post by: fastfreddy on September 05, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Post by: mark on September 05, 2019, 11:16:21 PM
big sticker on the tank, satin paint and no chrome.... looks good :smilie_daumenneg: n0 really ::)Sadly, that's what's driving the bike market now...black in place of chrome and denim paint. Chrome and gloss are for us old guys.
Post by: fastfreddy on September 06, 2019, 06:22:31 PM
Sadly, that's what's driving the bike market now...black in place of chrome and denim paint. Chrome and gloss are for us old guys.so true.... really want see one in the flesh and ride it. a friend of mine, his son works for Polaris but he wont say any thing about it :nixweiss:
Post by: ultrarider123 on September 10, 2019, 08:40:02 AM
Post by: bbrown on September 10, 2019, 11:28:26 AM
Looks like something is coming (maybe today) as I was attempting a search on a couple of wish-list parts and got the following screen. I attempted to look at a few other things of various subject...same screen. Maybe updating the entire site but ya never know... :)
Can’t wait
Post by: ultrarider123 on September 10, 2019, 01:51:19 PM
New Chieftain Elite looks nice...the red downtubes are an interesting addition...all hand painted in-house... ;D
One thing about Indian/Polaris, they seem to be customer driven in either they release something and realize it's not ready (the 116 kit) then pull it until it is OR they wait until it's actually ready which I'm'a guessin they are doing with the new fixed fairing bike...mamma Harley could learn a thing or two about doing as much... :nixweiss:
Post by: bbrown on September 10, 2019, 04:26:38 PM
A few changes to the 2020's but nothing on the new fixed fairing bike....hmmmm
New Chieftain Elite looks nice...the red downtubes are an interesting addition...all hand painted in-house... ;D
One thing about Indian/Polaris, they seem to be customer driven in either they release something and realize it's not ready (the 116 kit) then pull it until it is OR they wait until it's actually ready which I'm'a guessin they are doing with the new fixed fairing bike...mamma Harley could learn a thing or two about doing as much... :nixweiss:
I heard the bike would be on display in Sturgis but it was a no show! Wonder what’s up. I would sure like to see one.
Post by: mark on September 10, 2019, 09:00:23 PM
I'm speculating they are in production mode and don't have enough manufactured for distribution yet.
I heard the bike would be on display in Sturgis but it was a no show! Wonder what’s up. I would sure like to see one.
Post by: OBB on September 10, 2019, 09:28:56 PM
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Post by: GregKhougaz on September 24, 2019, 11:46:17 AM
Indian Challenger bagger spy photos (https://motorbikewriter.com/indian-challenger-bagger-spy-photos/)
Post by: scotman623 on September 24, 2019, 12:29:21 PM
Post by: ultrarider123 on September 24, 2019, 01:29:12 PM
...Harley has the pool boy so who/what's gonna be Indian's inside person? Plumber's Helper? Personal Trainer? Chauffeur? Butler?
Post by: OBB on September 24, 2019, 04:24:50 PM
Mid year release is the scuttlebutt...HD deleted the pool boy this year along with the normal features on most bikes. He wasn't ready to retire yet, so......
...Harley has the pool boy so who/what's gonna be Indian's inside person? Plumber's Helper? Personal Trainer? Chauffeur? Butler?
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Post by: mattm on October 22, 2019, 03:29:22 PM
https://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/powerplus/ (https://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/powerplus/)
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Post by: scotman623 on October 22, 2019, 06:25:58 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on October 22, 2019, 07:33:15 PM
Yep. Ugly like the road glide. But I like road glides. :)
When I see it I have to force myself to consciously not think Road Glide. The dual headlight vision in my head just skews the mental imagery too much to make this bike look proportional. That's an issue with my perception rather than the bike itself though (at least I think it is). Then again I always thought the Tour Glide looked a little out of proportion on the nose also; so maybe it is at least partly a bike issue.
FXRT/FXRD never struck me that way. They had a smaller/narrower nose though so the proportions worked better.
Post by: OBB on October 22, 2019, 08:38:20 PM
last oneAnd there's the framework for the power windshield right at the top. Must be nice
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Post by: iski on October 22, 2019, 09:40:06 PM
And there's the framework for the power windshield right at the top. Must be nice
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Harley will have one someday. It will be the same, but different.
Post by: TN on October 23, 2019, 08:00:29 AM
Competition is good. :orange:
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 23, 2019, 08:15:48 AM
Post by: ultrarider123 on October 23, 2019, 09:08:16 AM
And there's the framework for the power windshield right at the top. Must be nice
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It really is. I didn't think I would use it much but I ride with it lower around town and up when on the interstate or highway...makes a huge difference.
Post by: Rooster on October 23, 2019, 10:03:24 AM
Post by: RivRaptor on October 23, 2019, 12:33:12 PM
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Post by: fred786 on October 25, 2019, 08:22:55 AM
Post by: ultrarider123 on October 25, 2019, 09:04:38 AM
My message to Matt: You can't start off by saying you respect all brands and are a motorcycle enthusiast first, a Harley salesman second and then start wearing out one specific brand that is a rival. Copying Harley Davidson? Come on, feller. Who was first? And, if Indian/Polaris were actually copying the MoCo, why aren't they having sumping/charging/fluid migration/lifter/infotainment/all kinds of piddly, second/third-party supplier quality issues like the MoCo has with their products on a daily basis? Sounds to me like Polaris has learned from the mistakes of the MoCo instead of copying. Styling issues aside, Indian makes a very nice product that is selling.
Matt, you gave it a good try but you/momma Harley crying about their peeing in their own Cheerios ain't gonna help the situation...go clear your head and ride that new Livewire... :huepfenjump3:
Post by: SHRADER on October 25, 2019, 10:18:58 AM
Matt must really be scared about Road Glide sales to post that bunch of hooie. HD was not the first to come up with a fixed fairing bike anyway. The first fixed fairing bikes I recall seeing were Honda gold wings with fairings by Craig Vetter named Windjammer. Heck Vetter even sold fairings to HD to mount on the FLH called the Liberator in the mid 70's. The design led to Harley COPYING Vetter to introduce the first FLT in 1980.
HD also did not introduce the first V-Twin American Motorcycle, that would be Curtis in 1903....Indian and Harley Both Copied that idea with Indian introducing its first twin in 1906 and Harley in 1909.
My point is, if I have one, is that everybody copies those things which make sense, and in this case Indian knows there are advantages to a fixed fairing machine and have taken that notion and applied it to the bike in there own way.
I ain’t a huge fan of Road Glides and yes I’ve owned one, but I will give this new Indian a look see mainly because I can’t see myself buying a super sumper.
Post by: Twolanerider on October 25, 2019, 02:22:46 PM
Post by: ultrarider123 on October 25, 2019, 02:25:05 PM
That made me go back and look it up. First year of the Tour Glide was model year 1979. It's weird the stuff you momentarily find yourself suddenly curious about..
The year I graduated High School...many, many moons ago...
Post by: SHRADER on October 25, 2019, 03:02:34 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on October 25, 2019, 05:18:02 PM
The year I graduated High School...many, many moons ago...
Me too! Remember seeing my first Tour Glide around that time. Compared to the beat up, often welded together, sometimes multi-manufacturer-combination (thank god for welders), that bike was an alien looking beast. It took me quite awhile to become a fan.
Post by: fastfreddy on October 25, 2019, 07:52:14 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 25, 2019, 08:43:48 PM
I Know Indian did not copy the power windshield on any of their models from Harley, as Harley does not offer that.
Indian did not copy ride modes from Harley, as you do not have that on a Harley.
Indian did not copy the water cooled 108 from Harley, as Harley does not have that.
The Indian FTR 1200 sure didn't copy Harley, heck Harley does not even have a similar bike, especially not in terms of Suspension adjustment and travel, or performance. It even has ride modes, Full LED lighting, and touch screen and much more. What does Harley have that can even compete at 16K plus or minus 2K?
Post by: PBSTN on October 25, 2019, 09:28:50 PM
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Post by: charles05663 on October 26, 2019, 02:23:24 AM
Post by: RoadTrip on October 26, 2019, 10:27:22 AM
I agree with some of what Matt is saying, there is lots of styling copying on some bikes.
I Know Indian did not copy the power windshield on any of their models from Harley, as Harley does not offer that.
Indian did not copy ride modes from Harley, as you do not have that on a Harley.
Indian did not copy the water cooled 108 from Harley, as Harley does not have that.
The Indian FTR 1200 sure didn't copy Harley, heck Harley does not even have a similar bike, especially not in terms of Suspension adjustment and travel, or performance. It even has ride modes, Full LED lighting, and touch screen and much more. What does Harley have that can even compete at 16K plus or minus 2K?
Let me think, of I had to choose between a Livewire or a FTR 1200, it wouldn’t take me long to start buying Indian logo t-shirts.
Post by: scotman623 on October 26, 2019, 12:32:18 PM
Post by: BigLock on October 26, 2019, 09:16:42 PM
Post by: BigLock on October 26, 2019, 09:30:14 PM
Post by: Robmay on October 26, 2019, 10:12:50 PM
Guess old Matt trying to make a sell for the MOCo . Bike sells has to be down last week when I was at biketoberfest in Fla. I rode all over come across a dealer that had all 19 touring bike $2000 off or store goods put free oil change for life and free tires for life.
Where was that dealer Biglock?
Rob
Post by: TN on October 27, 2019, 07:37:11 AM
With HD it would cost too much and they have decided to deal with certain failures on a one by one situation and void warranties when they can even if the tuner doesn't cause sumping and of course it's all the EPA's fault. :drink: Some garage queens will get sold a few years down the road to an unexpecting rider and he will be on his own. Even HD's product upgrade campaigns have a expiration date.
The water cooled engine is the future and I look forward to trying one out. I'm sure HD will have one in their touring line sooner than later.
Just Ride
Post by: RivRaptor on October 27, 2019, 05:57:26 PM
Post by: BigLock on October 27, 2019, 07:02:55 PM
Post by: Robmay on October 28, 2019, 10:57:04 PM
Rob the dealership in Clermont Fla.
Thank you sir.
Post by: Robmay on October 29, 2019, 10:30:23 PM
Post by: GQ_Knuckle_Draggerz on October 30, 2019, 09:24:35 AM
Ummmmmm?
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Post by: iski on October 30, 2019, 12:06:22 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191030/391605fbbc5a16e2266af765420117d2.jpg)
Ummmmmm?
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Top pic looks like something that fell off the top of an RV.
Post by: TN on October 30, 2019, 02:42:33 PM
https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/indian/2020-indian-challenger-review-first-ride.html
Post by: SHRADER on October 30, 2019, 07:10:53 PM
All the press I have read to this point has been positive, the dyno results in the first link indicate that this machine packs plenty of punch right out of the box. Can't wait to actually ride one and then see how it rides. If the suspension is as good as it appears and they have no major issues with the newly designed bits, I'll probably own one at some point.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 30, 2019, 08:51:13 PM
Sure looks like this bike has lots of features that Harley is not offering and the same price point as a RGS, heck some the CVO doesent even offer. I will be very interesded in doing a demo ride on one.
Post by: skratch on October 31, 2019, 08:13:48 AM
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its belt-driven rear wheel cranked out 113.3 lb-ft of torque at 3,500 rpm and 107.6 horsepower at 5,600 rpmso everyone who is all gobsmacked about the 122hp, and 128 ft/lb of torque are going to be sorely disappointed to learn that it its measured at the crank, not the rear wheel, and aren't that far off of hd's numbers
I didn't like the look of the pre-rushmore roadglides, at first. I became intrigued by them in 2010 when they came out with the custom. actually started liking the look. then when they came out with the redesigned rushmore fairings, I didn't like the aesthetic change. tbh, I still think the pre-rushmore looks better. but, the point is, I like the look now. but, I gotta admit, it is going to take a long time before I grow to like the look on the challenger, if ever. that single headlight just really looks off to me. and the whole fairing seems so big and chunky....
Post by: acevtwin on October 31, 2019, 09:21:45 AM
Post by: TN on October 31, 2019, 11:27:25 AM
Maybe I'll get there to check out the 2021's
Just Ride!
Post by: dayne66 on October 31, 2019, 11:31:28 AM
It looks like a Home Run for Indian. Can't wait to test ride one.X2
Post by: scotman623 on October 31, 2019, 12:08:32 PM
Post by: mark on October 31, 2019, 01:31:36 PM
in reading one of the linked articles, they put it on a dyno and got the following: so everyone who is all gobsmacked about the 122hp, and 128 ft/lb of torque are going to be sorely disappointed to learn that it its measured at the crank, not the rear wheel, and aren't that far off of hd's numbersDoes any manufacturer give HP numbers at the rear wheel? HD will not publish HP numbers, but based on non-HD dyno info, the 114 has about 100 HP at the crank.
I didn't like the look of the pre-rushmore roadglides, at first. I became intrigued by them in 2010 when they came out with the custom. actually started liking the look. then when they came out with the redesigned rushmore fairings, I didn't like the aesthetic change. tbh, I still think the pre-rushmore looks better. but, the point is, I like the look now. but, I gotta admit, it is going to take a long time before I grow to like the look on the challenger, if ever. that single headlight just really looks off to me. and the whole fairing seems so big and chunky....
Post by: Cat Eye on October 31, 2019, 02:08:10 PM
In the age of political correctness, talking about riding an “Indian” is very insensitive to the Native Americans.
Polaris should have dumped the “I” line and kept Victory.
Shame, shame, shame.
Post by: iski on October 31, 2019, 02:55:59 PM
This is very offensive.
In the age of political correctness, talking about riding an “Indian” is very insensitive to the Native Americans.
Polaris should have dumped the “I” line and kept Victory.
Shame, shame, shame.
;D
Change the name of the company to Hemp Diversity motorcycles & introduce a line of CDB motorcycle oils? :nixweiss:
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 31, 2019, 08:14:15 PM
in reading one of the linked articles, they put it on a dyno and got the following: so everyone who is all gobsmacked about the 122hp, and 128 ft/lb of torque are going to be sorely disappointed to learn that it its measured at the crank, not the rear wheel, and aren't that far off of hd's numbersJust like Harley and every other manufacture numbers are at the crank, not the rear wheel. So the Challenger numbers are slightly above a 2019 CVO 117.
Post by: skratch on October 31, 2019, 09:02:00 PM
Post by: iski on October 31, 2019, 09:26:32 PM
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/polaris-indian-motorcycle-sales-fall-but-less-than-the-decline-for-harleys-hogs-2019-10-22 (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/polaris-indian-motorcycle-sales-fall-but-less-than-the-decline-for-harleys-hogs-2019-10-22)
Polaris Indian motorcycle sales fall, but less than the decline for Harley's Hogs
Published: Oct 22, 2019 12:33 p.m. ET
Polaris Inc. PII, -2.75% reported third-quarter motorcycle sales that fell more than expected, but they outperformed the declines reported by Harley-Davidson Inc. HOG, -3.04%, leading to Polaris' Indian bikes taking global share from Harley's iconic Hogs. Polaris reported a 3% decline in motorcycle sales to $149.9 million from $155.3 million, compared with the FactSet consensus for an increase to $187.3 million. Although the Indian bike brand lost "a modest amount" of market share in the U.S., international motorcycle sales rose 28%, so the company said global market share for Indian "was up for the quarter." Harley reported third-quarter motorcycle revenue that declined 5.2% to $779.3 million, but beat the FactSet consensus of $749.4 million. Harley said total worldwide retail sales fell 1.2% to 58,522 vehicles, with U.S. sales down 3.6% and international sales up 2.7%. Polaris's stock surged 8.4% in midday trading and Harley shares rallied 6.3%, while the S&P 500 SPX, -0.30% edged up 0.2%.
Post by: dayne66 on October 31, 2019, 09:40:44 PM
So the Challenger numbers are slightly above a 2019 CVO 117.Does the Challenger come with sumping and fluid transfer though?
Post by: fastfreddy on October 31, 2019, 10:35:36 PM
Does the Challenger come with sumping and fluid transfer though?nobody knows yet.... has any body bought one yet? and who buys the first model year anyway :nixweiss: I only wish the best to those that do
Post by: bigchuck on October 31, 2019, 10:49:03 PM
Well Fred, that was interesting. As least the first couple minutes because I stopped it after that.
My message to Matt: You can't start off by saying you respect all brands and are a motorcycle enthusiast first, a Harley salesman second and then start wearing out one specific brand that is a rival. Copying Harley Davidson? Come on, feller. Who was first? And, if Indian/Polaris were actually copying the MoCo, why aren't they having sumping/charging/fluid migration/lifter/infotainment/all kinds of piddly, second/third-party supplier quality issues like the MoCo has with their products on a daily basis? Sounds to me like Polaris has learned from the mistakes of the MoCo instead of copying. Styling issues aside, Indian makes a very nice product that is selling.
Matt, you gave it a good try but you/momma Harley crying about their peeing in their own Cheerios ain't gonna help the situation...go clear your head and ride that new Livewire... :huepfenjump3:
"Who was first?" Are you serious? Who was first with a fixed fairing between Harley and Indian or Polaris? Harley. Who was first to sell motorcycles between HD and Indian? Indian by a year or so. The only problem is they haven't made an Indian since 1953.
Just because they bought the rights to a name of a company that's been out of business for 50+ years doesn't give Polaris the Indian heritage. No doubt the Challenger is a Road glide copy as much as its name is copied from Dodge or NASA. Another creative thought by Polaris. Polaris makes a good motorcycle however they make a great mower.
If anyone has an extra one of those lighted Indian heads I need one for the front of my Zero-turn.
Post by: OBB on November 01, 2019, 06:24:21 AM
"Who was first?" Are you serious? Who was first with a fixed fairing between Harley and Indian or Polaris? Harley. Who was first to sell motorcycles between HD and Indian? Indian by a year or so. The only problem is they haven't made an Indian since 1953.Funny chit there. If I do end up eventually buying one for a 2nd bike, That damn hood ornament is yours as long as you promise to mount it and take lots of pix.
Just because they bought the rights to a name of a company that's been out of business for 50+ years doesn't give Polaris the Indian heritage. No doubt the Challenger is a Road glide copy as much as its name is copied from Dodge or NASA. Another creative thought by Polaris. Polaris makes a good motorcycle however they make a great mower.
If anyone has an extra one of those lighted Indian heads I need one for the front of my Zero-turn.
Post by: TN on November 01, 2019, 07:21:57 AM
The scout has a simailar engine as the challenger and seems to be good, the mohawk Indian head just seems fitting for the times. And yes Polaris bought the Indian name at a fire sale but they own it.
Still disappointed on the rollout of the challenger but I'm a motorcycle enthusiast and will follow up.
Just Ride!
Post by: ultrarider123 on November 01, 2019, 07:24:31 AM
"Who was first?" Are you serious? Who was first with a fixed fairing between Harley and Indian or Polaris? Harley. Who was first to sell motorcycles between HD and Indian? Indian by a year or so. The only problem is they haven't made an Indian since 1953.
Just because they bought the rights to a name of a company that's been out of business for 50+ years doesn't give Polaris the Indian heritage. No doubt the Challenger is a Road glide copy as much as its name is copied from Dodge or NASA. Another creative thought by Polaris. Polaris makes a good motorcycle however they make a great mower.
If anyone has an extra one of those lighted Indian heads I need one for the front of my Zero-turn.
Gosh Chuck, hate much?
I don't believe my comments were directed at you. They were directed toward Matt's rantings in his video...a format that he has every right to use and I have every right to respond to since he posted it publicly. Yes, you have the same in responding to my posting.
My response to your comments: Indian was the first of the two companies. Indian had the first twin of the two companies. Both of them competed with each other over the years in all kinds of arenas with both winning and losing until Indian gave up in 1953. Rebounding and comebacks are part of both companies histories. Harley almost died twice but was bailed out the first time and took things in their own hands the second (with the help of Mr. Reagan) to remain in business even though the name changed for a while ('69-'84?) from Harley Davidson to AMF-Harley Davidson...and boy, weren't those fun days...good golly, remember Aermacchi?. So each company has had their battles, lost, fought back and continue to survive. It just took Indian a while longer to return. There is no reason to bicker with bitterness toward either brand...which is why I commented as such to Matt's video. We should all be loyal to the sport of motorcycles and enjoy the wind in our faces...no matter which fairing and/or windshield is pushing it for you.
Hope this helps with any confusion...have a great, safe rest of your day and weekend and keep it between the ditches... :bananarock:
Post by: mark on November 01, 2019, 08:38:26 AM
"Who was first?" Are you serious? Who was first with a fixed fairing between Harley and Indian or Polaris? Harley. Who was first to sell motorcycles between HD and Indian? Indian by a year or so. The only problem is they haven't made an Indian since 1953.Applying logic on this site can be a daunting task...Lamborghini was originally a tractor company, went bankrupt in the 70's, was bought by Chrysler and is currently owned by VW. To take your logic and apply to Lamborghini, one would have to conclude they haven't made a Lamborghini since the 70's, they are nothing but VWs or Chryslers anyway, and does anyone have a Lamborghini logo for my tractor? However, your post did make me wonder who made lawn mowers first...Polaris or HD?
Just because they bought the rights to a name of a company that's been out of business for 50+ years doesn't give Polaris the Indian heritage. No doubt the Challenger is a Road glide copy as much as its name is copied from Dodge or NASA. Another creative thought by Polaris. Polaris makes a good motorcycle however they make a great mower.
If anyone has an extra one of those lighted Indian heads I need one for the front of my Zero-turn.
Post by: iski on November 01, 2019, 08:53:15 AM
In my opinion the best chain saw manufacturer that also makes motorcycles in Husqvarna - as best I can tell Stihl has so far refused to make a motorcycle.
Polaris was the first snowmobile manufacturer (1954) and continues to manufacture snow machines. Harley during the AMF years had a snowmobile from 1972-75. No doubt Polaris is the best snow mobile company that also makes a motorcycle in my mind, but some could quibble with that opinion no doubt.
Post by: Phreakyz on November 01, 2019, 10:53:04 AM
Post by: skratch on November 01, 2019, 11:48:02 AM
Post by: RivRaptor on November 01, 2019, 12:18:33 PM
Post by: OBB on November 01, 2019, 12:48:21 PM
I'll say one thing for the new Indian it has sure livened up the discussions / posts around here. Lets hope it has the same affect at HD!And to think it isn't even winter yet up here although it's getting colder. Things could get real interesting in another month or so
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Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 01, 2019, 09:03:41 PM
"Who was first?" Are you serious? Who was first with a fixed fairing between Harley and Indian or Polaris? Harley. Who was first to sell motorcycles between HD and Indian? Indian by a year or so. The only problem is they haven't made an Indian since 1953.While yes, the basic look of the Challenger is a copy of the Road Glide. However Harley does not offer inverted forks on their touring bikes. Harley does not offer an aluminum frame on their touring bikes. Harley does not have 5 inches of suspension travel front and rear on their touring bikes. Harley does not have a mono shock on their touring bikes, nor a water cooled engine, or a power windshield. So there is a whole lot, the Challenger did not copy from the Road Glide. Ride modes is another they did not copy.
Just because they bought the rights to a name of a company that's been out of business for 50+ years doesn't give Polaris the Indian heritage. No doubt the Challenger is a Road glide copy as much as its name is copied from Dodge or NASA. Another creative thought by Polaris. Polaris makes a good motorcycle however they make a great mower.
If anyone has an extra one of those lighted Indian heads I need one for the front of my Zero-turn.
Now I am truly hoping Harley copies the Indian and gives us Inverted forks, more suspension travel, power windshield, ride modes and a touring bike under 850 pounds.
Hopefully competition will help Harley wake up and improve its product.
Post by: fastfreddy on November 02, 2019, 09:55:33 AM
Post by: dayne66 on November 02, 2019, 10:02:53 AM
listing to the conversations here, this new Indian is more of a knock off of the gold wing, may be every body needs to go ride one of those also... me , im just going to keep riding my old pos Harley :2vrolijk_21:An interesting point about the 'Wing......pulling a trailer wont void the warranty!!!
Post by: skratch on November 02, 2019, 11:56:50 AM
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Modifying your motorcycle may also void your warranty and make your motorcycle
illegal to operate on public roads and highways. Before deciding to install
accessories on your motorcycle be certain the modification is safe and legal.
Do not pull a trailer with, or attach a sidecar to, your motorcycle. Your motorcycle was
not designed for these attachments, and their use can seriously impair your
motorcycle’s handling.
Post by: TN on November 03, 2019, 07:49:20 AM
I can predict the weather too. :orange:
Post by: Jock on November 03, 2019, 09:44:18 AM
I foresee a blue limited in my future. :drink:
I can predict the weather too. :orange:
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Post by: dayne66 on November 03, 2019, 10:55:07 AM
i believe it could....I have spoke to 3 dealers and was told the 'Wing, and only the 'Wing, is "warranty approved" for towing...I have a message in to Honda Canada for clarification and would request it in writing if it is so.
For retirement I want a bike that's reliable...AND don't need to wrench a hitch on and off to go to the dealer. Is that too much to ask?
Post by: TN on November 17, 2019, 09:54:08 AM
For the test ride it was raining and I guess they’re not to be ridden in the rain (J/K) the rides were grounded Friday and I left. Went back Saturday with weather not conducive to riding, I had my gear with me and would have rode one without hesitation but that wasn’t an option, I understand but don’t have to like it. I’ll give it some time and visit the dealership again to see if they have one to ride. There are some accessories available but not fitted lowers, I like lowers, surely there will be some offerings in the future besides soft lowers you lace on.
I think they have a winner but time will tell.
Just Ride
This type of competition is good for all that rides, no matter what you ride.
Post by: RivRaptor on November 17, 2019, 02:08:37 PM
Post by: TN on November 21, 2019, 03:47:43 PM
No I don't own one, yet.
Post by: Fired00d on November 21, 2019, 04:37:47 PM
Rode the Challenger today. Nice ride is my ride review. :orange::2vrolijk_21:
No I don't own one, yet.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Post by: scottt on November 21, 2019, 08:17:02 PM
Rode the Challenger today. Nice ride is my ride review. :orange:How would you compare to a Road Glide or CVO for that matter?
No I don't own one, yet.
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Post by: OBB on November 21, 2019, 08:33:53 PM
Rode the Challenger today. Nice ride is my ride review. :orange:Base model there I'm guessing because of the color. No Nav. C'mon now TN. We need a pros and cons list from you on your thoughts.
No I don't own one, yet.
Post by: TN on November 22, 2019, 07:48:33 AM
How would you compare to a Road Glide or CVO for that matter?
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I rode the base model 21,999, it has everything the limited does as far as engine, drivetrain. The base does not come with ride command which is a dealer option ($519). The suspension is awesome, no comparison, fit and finish is nice, power would beat a stock 110, I haven't rode a M8. Limited is $27,999. I predict an Elite model which will have more to add (tourpak and such). The handling is the best thing about the challenger, it doesn't feel like a heavyweight bike, nimble would describe it best. My test ride was short, I'll try it out again when they're more plentiful and I can flog on it for a day or two.
Post by: TN on November 22, 2019, 07:56:50 AM
Base model there I'm guessing because of the color. No Nav. C'mon now TN. We need a pros and cons list from you on your thoughts.
Mike, I'm warming up to it slowly, pros is it's not an HD :drink: cons it's not an HD :drink:
I use to buy these things without much due diligence, I'm more frugal with my monies these days and whom I spend it with. I do foresee one in my future. :orange: I only rode it 40mi or so but first impression is positive. :drink:
Go ride one and get back with me
Post by: OBB on November 22, 2019, 05:43:22 PM
Mike, I'm warming up to it slowly, pros is it's not an HD :drink: cons it's not an HD :drink:Would love to ride one. Trouble up here right now is this white crap on the roads called salt.
I use to buy these things without much due diligence, I'm more frugal with my monies these days and whom I spend it with. I do foresee one in my future. :orange: I only rode it 40mi or so but first impression is positive. :drink:
Go ride one and get back with me
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Post by: Phantom309 on November 24, 2019, 07:00:45 AM
Post by: Cat Eye on November 24, 2019, 11:03:38 AM
To me, that is the appealing part and could make it very popular for those that live in the sun belt.
The HD wet-head motor does help a little to cool the motor but will still over heat on hot days.
Post by: scottt on November 24, 2019, 12:17:19 PM
Has anyone found a good video that they can share that explains the water cooled motor?Very true. The facts are that a water cooled motor is designed with tighter tolerances, can have higher compression, operates at a more consistent temperatures. Generally run better, produce more power. It's the only way a manufacturer can meet today's worldwide emmissions requirements while producing the power/performance todays buyers want. Especially in warmer climates.
To me, that is the appealing part and could make it very popular for those that live in the sun belt.
The HD wet-head motor does help a little to cool the motor but will still over heat on hot days.
Air cooled motors were the norm when we traveled at lower speeds, had far less traffic and little to no emmissions requirements.
Indian made a smart move designing a water cooled motor. Hopefully Harley answers Indian with a re-designed touring line. Long overdue.
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Post by: dayne66 on November 24, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
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They sound like nice bikes, but I don't think I could ever get past the big, fat, fugly look of that front-end ... it just ruins the bike for me.My FLHXSE3 is looking pretty damn ugly these days as it sits in the garage waiting to be sent to the mainland to get the havoc caused by another dealer doing $8500 of shoddy warranty work. I am having trouble getting past the quality of the product and service.......it just ruins the bike for me!
I hope that it gets fixed.....and I can learn to love again!
Post by: SDCVO on November 24, 2019, 08:32:50 PM
Post by: Phantom309 on November 27, 2019, 03:13:13 AM
https://youtu.be/wYM3nJAaPOk
Post by: Phreakyz on November 27, 2019, 06:02:33 AM
I just finished watching no less than half a dozen test-ride vids on this bike. The MoCo is going to be hurting even more if they don't up their game. This vid here has the best sound of the bike itself compared to others. He doesn't seem so enthused as some of the other reviews, but seemed impressed. Most are giggling and laughing like girls and have nothing but praise for it.Good Vid Thanks for posting! I had actually ridden up to Iron Pony about 3 weeks ago and they still had not received any Challengers.
Post by: OBB on November 27, 2019, 07:12:00 AM
Good Vid Thanks for posting! I had actually ridden up to Iron Pony about 3 weeks ago and they still had not received any Challengers.Almost rode down there yesterday on my day off. Didn't feel like riding home in the dark though with Bambi and all Her relatives running around like crazy right now.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 27, 2019, 08:33:05 AM
Post by: Mr. Warlock on November 27, 2019, 09:02:03 AM
Post by: mark on November 27, 2019, 09:23:56 AM
Post by: TN on November 30, 2019, 07:30:58 AM
Dealer was busy Friday, a customer that owns one and has close to 5k miles on it started talking with me and he was giddy about his, I appreciated his candor and still need to ride one for a few days, haven’t been offered that option yet, got to make them think it’s their idea
Post by: Phantom309 on December 03, 2019, 08:04:56 PM
Got to see the thunder black pearl, still waiting to lay my eyes on the deepwater metallic. The base model doesn’t come with smart lean technology and isn’t an option. You’d have to watch a video on that cause I couldn’t articulate on it, how do we ride without it. :drink:
Dealer was busy Friday, a customer that owns one and has close to 5k miles on it started talking with me and he was giddy about his, I appreciated his candor and still need to ride one for a few days, haven’t been offered that option yet, got to make them think it’s their idea
Any dealer will let you have it for however many days you want, just sign on the dotted line! lol.
Post by: Phantom309 on December 03, 2019, 08:13:12 PM
My FLHXSE3 is looking pretty damn ugly these days as it sits in the garage waiting to be sent to the mainland to get the havoc caused by another dealer doing $8500 of shoddy warranty work. I am having trouble getting past the quality of the product and service.......it just ruins the bike for me!
I hope that it gets fixed.....and I can learn to love again!
Yeah, that's the hate part of the relationship. Once it's fixed you'll love it again til the next time it breaks. When you tire of the constant back/forth you can always switch brands ... I've done it many times, some of us are just gluttons for punishment. This is my 4th & last unless something ever changes with the MoCo .... which I highly doubt.
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Post by: fastfreddy on December 12, 2019, 06:17:43 PM
Post by: mark on December 12, 2019, 07:59:54 PM
went and looked at one... no Sirius xm… and says a tour pac with audio would be around $3500. they also had one with apes, ??? wasn't impressed enough to ride one but was told its fast :oI don't use Sirius, but why wouldn't you put Sirius on you phone and Bluetooth it to the bike?
Post by: OBB on December 12, 2019, 09:54:31 PM
I don't use Sirius, but why wouldn't you put Sirius on you phone and Bluetooth it to the bike?Data usage on the phone vs air wave usage to the bike.
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Post by: fastfreddy on December 12, 2019, 10:25:57 PM
I don't use Sirius, but why wouldn't you put Sirius on you phone and Bluetooth it to the bike?:pepper: lets just say, that's not what makes it a deal breaker :P no heel shifter either and after 2 years you have to pay for NAV.... wtf
Post by: OBB on December 13, 2019, 06:13:18 AM
:pepper: lets just say, that's not what makes it a deal breaker :P no heel shifter either and after 2 years you have to pay for NAV.... wtfHUH?? How do they do that send a signal to shut off your maps or what? That's messed up.
Post by: iski on December 13, 2019, 07:31:43 AM
HUH?? How do they do that send a signal to shut off your maps or what? That's messed up.
It's a service through the HD App & is called HD Connect. First year is free then $12/month. Does all sorts of stuff like bug you about when you need service, probably has a whole sections on recalls since that's one way HD service depts. stay in business these days, has a stolen bike GPS tracker, and other gee golly whiz bang features that HD says are worth $12/month. Not sure if GPS stops working or not?
Post by: ultrarider123 on December 13, 2019, 08:54:25 AM
went and looked at one... no Sirius xm… and says a tour pac with audio would be around $3500. they also had one with apes, ??? wasn't impressed enough to ride one but was told its fast :o
If you are speaking to the Challenger Fred, yep...no Sirius but that's on any of their bikes. My '18 doesn't have it either. While I did let the subscription run out on my '15 SERGU, it was a nice feature to have when they ran free times. I asked the dealer and sent an email to Indian customer service asking why and if they ever considered an add-on for those that like the sat. radio. Both stated they didn't see a need as most do use their mobile devices to stream music including Sirius so they focused on making the connection from phone to radio better for such.
I don't stream because I only have 2 gig data to use each month spread over three phones...I'd use it quickly streaming as Mark noted above.
The heal shifter is a $100 add-on and takes a minute or two to install....one of the few items I added to Cochise. I miss the heal shifter when it's not there.
I like the new Chieftain but not enough to trade. It has everything you would want and more in a touring bike/bagger/semi-sport bike. It sits really nice in the showroom but I haven't ridden one yet. I did note that they moved the catalyst from the side of the bike to the cross-over behind the motor, under the bike. I'm guessing the liquid cooling and moving the cat will have a great impact on heat reduction...a plus for Indian and something the MoCo should adopt.
Coming from the '15 SERGU, the screen/gauge layout is very nice. For my short 5'6" self, the reach to the radio seems not as bad as it was on the HD. I used the handlebar controls almost exclusively on the RG due to the reach. The bike sits really good. Stock, it's like you are sitting in it and part of it, not sitting on it. I did get to start the only one at the K'ville dealer and it has a nice sound for stock. I perused the entire bike and while there, a couple guys on RG's pulled up. They came in and were looking. I warned them not to sit on it 'cause they may like it. One guy did and his reaction to me was "wow". That's one opinion out of millions but it meant something. That guy had 70K on his '15 RG and as much or more on his '09 (I know him from the g'vment sites). Again, not everyone will have that reaction due to the fact it ain't no Harley... ;D
It's not for everyone...just like an all white bike or a no chrome bike or a crotch rocket or a lazy-boy on wheels ain't for everyone. I do believe, however, In-Po has produced a very good motorcycle in the Chieftain and it will be a good addition to the Indian offerings.
I do look forward to riding one... :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: OBB on December 13, 2019, 02:36:00 PM
It's a service through the HD App & is called HD Connect. First year is free then $12/month. Does all sorts of stuff like bug you about when you need service, probably has a whole sections on recalls since that's one way HD service depts. stay in business these days, has a stolen bike GPS tracker, and other gee golly whiz bang features that HD says are worth $12/month. Not sure if GPS stops working or not?I thought He was talking about the Challenger only having two years of free Navigation.
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Post by: fastfreddy on December 13, 2019, 04:56:40 PM
Post by: iski on December 13, 2019, 10:38:00 PM
I thought He was talking about the Challenger only having two years of free Navigation.
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Thanks. My alltimers kicks in more these days now that I am retirded.
Post by: Robmay on December 13, 2019, 10:55:39 PM
Post by: OBB on December 14, 2019, 06:29:34 AM
I think the 2 years free refers to the weather and traffic overlay on the gps, not the nav itself.I'd settle for that. Beats the 3 months we used to get. ::)
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on December 14, 2019, 07:52:05 AM
I don't use Sirius, but why wouldn't you put Sirius on you phone and Bluetooth it to the bike?
Biggest reason for me wanting Sirius/XM on a bike, is out west you can go for miles with no cell service, even with Verizon that claims service everywhere. Heck, lots of areas in and around the Smokies where I live have poor cell service.
Next is data usage.
Post by: iski on December 14, 2019, 07:59:43 AM
Biggest reason for me wanting Sirius/XM on a bike, is out west you can go for miles with no cell service, even with Verizon that claims service everywhere. Heck, lots of areas in and around the Smokies where I live have poor cell service.
Next is data usage.
x 2. Not all areas have decent cell service, but as long as you have a clear sky you have Sirius.
Post by: dayne66 on December 14, 2019, 09:42:07 AM
x 2. Not all areas have decent cell service, but as long as you have a clear sky you have Sirius.I live in BC.....mountains and trees....sat reception is less than stellar. Vehicles of various brands cut out a lot......a borrowed from a buddy that lives on the prairies and loves it, 665 also cut out too often. And......no deal for multiple units.....no sat for me!
Post by: iski on December 14, 2019, 11:44:26 AM
I live in BC.....mountains and trees....sat reception is less than stellar. Vehicles of various brands cut out a lot......a borrowed from a buddy that lives on the prairies and loves it, 665 also cut out too often. And......no deal for multiple units.....no sat for me!
I don't have Sirius on the bike because of the trees. We have canopy roads where the trees make the road into a tunnel of sorts, Sirius reception there is lousy, lots of skips & drops. Here is the Buggy Jungle what they call a "hill" is usually not much of a hill, so satellite does work well in the open areas. The Spousal Unit likes the Elvis channel. Have it in the car & truck & for the bike I use MP3s. Mountain areas are tough on reception no doubt.