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[HWYMAN1]

Everyone here knows of the problems with the stock SE 110 engines. Has anyone done the 96 to 110 modification, and if so are the same problems present? thanks (reason for asking looking 09 RG with stock 96 and thinking about going to 103/110 etc)

[grc]

Everyone here knows of the problems with the stock SE 110 engines. Has anyone done the 96 to 110 modification, and if so are the same problems present? thanks (reason for asking looking 09 RG with stock 96 and thinking about going to 103/110 etc)

Exact same parts are involved, 110 kit or CVO engine, and the problems had nothing to do with assembly of the engine.  Does that give you an idea of where I'm going with this?

If you get a kit that has all the latest updated parts, you will still be in the same boat as all those folks who just had their CVO's "enhanced"; waiting to see if this program really solved the problems.  After watching the MoCo jerk these folks around for the past two years, I would sooner trade for a moped than give Milwaukee another handful of cash to buy into the 110 saga.  Do yourself a favor and find a good engine builder to put something together with good aftermarket parts.

Jerry

[redtwin]

If staying with HD parts I would go with the 113 kit over the 110,just my opinion

[SPIDERMAN]

Everyone here knows of the problems with the stock SE 110 engines. Has anyone done the 96 to 110 modification, and if so are the same problems present? thanks (reason for asking looking 09 RG with stock 96 and thinking about going to 103/110 etc)

I didn't think you could go from 96" to 110" 

96" to 103 "  (what I did)

96" to 113"   ( what I wish I'd done)

but not 96" to 110"

B B

[HWYMAN1]

Exact same parts are involved, 110 kit or CVO engine, and the problems had nothing to do with assembly of the engine.  Does that give you an idea of where I'm going with this?

If you get a kit that has all the latest updated parts, you will still be in the same boat as all those folks who just had their CVO's "enhanced"; waiting to see if this program really solved the problems.  After watching the MoCo jerk these folks around for the past two years, I would sooner trade for a moped than give Milwaukee another handful of cash to buy into the 110 saga.  Do yourself a favor and find a good engine builder to put something together with good aftermarket parts.

Jerry

jerry, that is what i thought but wanted to confirm. Had considered trading in for 2009 SERG but for obvious reasons i really did not want the 110 engine. so I thought I would make my own "tricked out" bike and do the 103. But it is America and bigger is better , so before I dropped the coin I thought I would check.
Unfortunately, I thought I did have a good engine builder but still had an engine failure at 2000 miles! So I was trying to do the harley engine upgrade at time of purchase (even though end result won't be the same performance of aftermarket, it also won't cost 5k for upgrade and 6k to replace the engine!)

[HWYMAN1]

I didn't think you could go from 96" to 110" 

96" to 103 "  (what I did)

96" to 113"   ( what I wish I'd done)

but not 96" to 110"

B B

BB,
According to 2009 part catalogue there is a 110 upgrade from 96, but I will go check to make sure. I had not looked at a 113 but I guess I will check that also. john
I believe this it it: http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448771287&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302319503&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302319503&bmUID=1222722214757&bmLocale=en_US

[skyhook]

you can get 107" by boring your stock cylinders to 3-15/16"...doesn't involve splitting and boring the crankcases like 110" does...about half the cost of a 110"

[SPIDERMAN]

BB,
According to 2009 part catalogue there is a 110 upgrade from 96, but I will go check to make sure. I had not looked at a 113 but I guess I will check that also. john
I believe this it it: http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448771287&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302319503&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302319503&bmUID=1222722214757&bmLocale=en_US

If you're going to bore your cases anyway then go with the 113. I've never heard of anyone on the site who has built a 113 that isn't happy with AND, the 113 S&S is legendary so there must be something in those numbers. As for me, I just wish I had spent the additional $2,500 while I had the motor apart anyway doing the 103 build. If you've ever ridden with Grover (Mark) you'd know why I love the H-D version of a 113" Anyway, it's just my opinion and you know what opinions are like

B B

[hogasm]

To get the 110 from a 96 you have to split the cases.

Remove the crank

Bore the cases

Replace everything and watch it leak 

Use Axtell or Millennium cylinders and your 110 wont leak

Go with a 113 and it wont leak

[sportygordy]

go with the 131 inch from Jims. Order it from Jenni and get a fantastic discount   

[Hoist!]

You're nuts if you're gonna completely take apart a brand new 96" and make it a 110! You have so many options besides that if you're building a new motor! The real options are to make it a 103 with new P's and C's only. Then do cams and some headwork, new TB and get a good runner. At least as long as the crank holds together. But beyond that, build that motor to any size you want with REAL parts, or buy a Jims 120 or 131! JMO!

Hoist!

[d-rock]

Like B B said i love my 113 and after three years not one leak. When people ride my scoot they say wow it runs that good with all HD parts, there as shocked as I was

[HWYMAN1]

You're nuts if you're gonna completely take apart a brand new 96" and make it a 110! You have so many options besides that if you're building a new motor! The real options are to make it a 103 with new P's and C's only. Then do cams and some headwork, new TB and get a good runner. At least as long as the crank holds together. But beyond that, build that motor to any size you want with REAL parts, or buy a Jims 120 or 131! JMO!

Hoist!

Howie,
Originally was going to do a 103+ build, but thought I would get other opinions on builds. With the current disaster I had with my CR build, I was trying to get "harley" part engine that could be fixed at dealer. My performance parameters were simple: 100 to 105 TQ. My opinon of the 110 after watching threads for over 2 years here was obviously not good. But as with many things in life, if you don't ask questions you don't find out any information. Since I have been without a motor for over 21/2 months I am chomping at the bit to get "something", fortunately logic catches up to impulse and will hopefully make a better decision this time. john

[DCFIREMANN]

HWYMAN1 IMHO if those are the numbers you are looking for, you can get them out of the 96 with no problem at all. If you want to go bigger the 103 has been the best big inch motor HD has ever done to date. It is very reliable and makes some good power.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[SPIDERMAN]

HWYMAN1 IMHO if those are the numbers you are looking for, you can get them out of the 96 with no problem at all. If you want to go bigger the 103 has been the best big inch motor HD has ever done to date. It is very reliable and makes some good power.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

My 103"  (built up from a 96") pumps out 108TQ and 104HP
 All H-D parts and it's got 14,000 reliable miles on it so far.

B B

[OILCAN1]

I am not going to argue with the fact there are issues with the 110. I have an 07 ultra classic with the 110 upgrade. I bought it this way. It was a dealer demo bike with 9000 miles on it. I bought it in July of 07. In December of 07 I had a head gasket leak when it had 15000 miles. I am currently at 27000 miles an have not had any issues since the head gaskets. I would suggest if you were going to do a 96 to 110 upgrade use diiferent cams(251 if your going SE) and higher compression.

I am taking mine in next week for the recall and I will be having 251 cams and 10.5 pistons put in at that time. As far as reliability goes knock on wood I've been pretty lucky.

Oh yeah, in it's current form I dynoed at 90 hp and 110ft/lb torque.

[DCFIREMANN]

My 103"  (built up from a 96") pumps out 108TQ and 104HP
 All H-D parts and it's got 14,000 reliable miles on it so far.
B B

I REST MY CASE!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[chaos901]

I have an '07 Ultra that was upgraded to a 103.  43K on the bike and at least 30K after the upgrade.  Doing fine.  A friend upgraded his 96 to the 110 and has had the "issues".

[Jordan1200]

My 103"  (built up from a 96") pumps out 108TQ and 104HP
 All H-D parts and it's got 14,000 reliable miles on it so far.

B B

I know this is an ancient post but if you get this... I am curious what parts you used to get those numbers. I am considering this upgrade to my 2010 SG.

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[HD Street Performance]

Bore your cylinders to 107, Street port on the heads, cam change, pipe change, tune with a flash tuner. With stock throttle body and injectors it is easy to hit 115/125, and 100+ torque from 2200 - 5000 rpm.
~2k plus a tune. 107 to 110 adds a few hp and torque for another $400. Hard to justify in my opinion.

[Jordan1200]

Bore your cylinders to 107, Street port on the heads, cam change, pipe change, tune with a flash tuner. With stock throttle body and injectors it is easy to hit 115/125, and 100+ torque from 2200 - 5000 rpm.
~2k plus a tune. 107 to 110 adds a few hp and torque for another $400. Hard to justify in my opinion.

What porting job are you referring to, what cams and exhaust?
I have a supertrapp 2 into 1 supermeg (yet to install) and a dynojet powervision. Also, yet to install...


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[prodrag1320]

go 107". we have 100`s of 107" kits out there with 0 failures,595.00 includes CP piston kit,boring your cylinders & .030 gaskets.many diffferent compression ratios avaliable
www.veetwinperformance.com

[Jordan1200]

go 107". we have 100`s of 107" kits out there with 0 failures,595.00 includes CP piston kit,boring your cylinders & .030 gaskets.many diffferent compression ratios avaliable
www.veetwinperformance.com

1) If I bore to 107 as opposed to 103, how much room left for over size 107 pistons will I have?

2) Will there be heat issues boring the stock cylinders to that size due to the thin remaining cylinder sleeve?

3) what static compression ratio would offer good performance, good tuning with reliability and longevity in either 107 or 103?

4) I am not a WOT guy. I never get above 5000ish rpm. What cams would be a good choice for low and mid range?

5) If I went with a 107 or 103 with stock heads until I could do a valve job how would that impact above questions?

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[HD Street Performance]

What porting job are you referring to, what cams and exhaust?
I have a supertrapp 2 into 1 supermeg (yet to install) and a dynojet powervision. Also, yet to install...

That pipe works fine for your intended purpose. Cam and compression go together and we have that conversation. Our Street Pro or Street Pro TQ package.
What part of canada are you located at.


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[Jordan1200]

Just outside Toronto in Mississauga

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[HD Street Performance]

Reason I ask is the tune is a vital factor in a successful build. Know s gew good tuners in the northeast vicinity but not familiar with any in Ontario.

[Jordan1200]

Reason I ask is the tune is a vital factor in a successful build. Know s gew good tuners in the northeast vicinity but not familiar with any in Ontario.

Who is the one you know? There is a guy Don Morris at Stay Tuned systems inc.

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[HD Street Performance]

Well you are covered then.
Good luck with the build

[Jordan1200]

Well you are covered then.
Good luck with the build

Yes, I suppose for that. If I wanted to discuss the build and parts. What's the best way to do that?

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[HD Street Performance]

Call me.
Number is on my website.

[prodrag1320]

1) If I bore to 107 as opposed to 103, how much room left for over size 107 pistons will I have?

2) Will there be heat issues boring the stock cylinders to that size due to the thin remaining cylinder sleeve?

3) what static compression ratio would offer good performance, good tuning with reliability and longevity in either 107 or 103?

4) I am not a WOT guy. I never get above 5000ish rpm. What cams would be a good choice for low and mid range?

5) If I went with a 107 or 103 with stock heads until I could do a valve job how would that impact above questions?

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there is no over bore with 107" kits,just like any build if its matched & tuned right there isn't any over heating problem,10.0-1 & S&S 570 cams is a good build,feel free to call me if you have any questions
kirby
www.veetwinbperformance.com

[HD Street Performance]

I stock 103 and 107 KB pistons. The 107 is at the end of what can be bored, the spigot getting thin only. That said the KB LCA heavy duty pistons I have been using run very quiet and there have been zero failures. None of them run hot, including the S&S 110 kit which I can get, if tuned right and set at the proper static compression.
Some discussion here:
https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=109927.0;topicseen

[Jordan1200]

Thanks

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