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CVO Technical => Intake/Exhaust/ECM => Topic started by: harleyman on April 21, 2007, 05:29:08 PM

Title: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: harleyman on April 21, 2007, 05:29:08 PM
 >:( has anybody had problems installing vance and hines header with stock mufflers on a 2007 screaming eagle ultra? and also, do i need to use a race tuner for this set up with screaming eagle air cleaner kit? my dealer is installing the headers and they are hitting the brake paddle as a matter of fact they already damaged mine and they are going to replace it. has anybody else had this problem?

 thanks for your reply.

Harleyman
Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: Bully on April 24, 2007, 11:33:03 PM
My dealer installed my Rinehart true duels and used a spacer....he had to make a small adjustment...but it clears the brake.  He also installed a Sert and stage one Air.  My dealer has installed several of these and seems to have no trouble.
Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: RedDevil on April 25, 2007, 07:41:58 AM
>:( has anybody had problems installing vance and hines header with stock mufflers on a 2007 screaming eagle ultra? and also, do i need to use a race tuner for this set up with screaming eagle air cleaner kit? my dealer is installing the headers and they are hitting the brake paddle as a matter of fact they already damaged mine and they are going to replace it. has anybody else had this problem?

 thanks for your reply.

Harleyman
Harleyman,
I have V&H duals installed and have at least 1/2" clearance between the heat shield and the brake lever.  You've got the second Ultra that I've heard of this problem now.  As far as do you have to use the SERT, I'm not sure you'll need to, if you don't change the air filter.  You'll still be running very lean though and not sure just putting on the duals is going to help the heat issue on the rear jug.  Talk with your dealer or a wrench that you trust and ask him.  Not many people on here have went to duals and stayed with the stock mufflers.  Sorry I can't be of much help on this.
Cheers :2vrolijk_21:,
  :devil:
Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: CVOwner on April 25, 2007, 11:12:22 AM
>:( has anybody had problems installing vance and hines header with stock mufflers on a 2007 screaming eagle ultra? and also, do i need to use a race tuner for this set up with screaming eagle air cleaner kit? my dealer is installing the headers and they are hitting the brake paddle as a matter of fact they already damaged mine and they are going to replace it. has anybody else had this problem?

 thanks for your reply.

Harleyman

Yes most definitely!! If you go to true duals and do the high flow AC you HAVE GOT TO ADD A SERT AND HAVE THE BIKE DYNOED! Or it will run like chit!
Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: nixobilly on April 25, 2007, 11:39:11 AM
Yes most definitely!! If you go to true duals and do the high flow AC you HAVE GOT TO ADD A SERT AND HAVE THE BIKE DYNOED! Or it will run like chit!

In fully agreement with CVOwner...  My fitment was excellent and I did install SERT with MAP 84 -- ran very good. -- you can save some $$ on the dyno.

Before you invest in the SERT as I did, I would recommend you evaluate the TMAX for your long term happiness... I replaced my stock ecm/sert with TMAX and I love it!

Mark
Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: Sgt072 on April 25, 2007, 12:50:36 PM
I put on V&H duals and had the same problem of the brake shifter hitting the pipe.  A friend of mine had the same problem.  He had them shave the inside of the brake shifter to get enough clearance.  I looked at his and after they polished out the shifter you could not tell it had been shaved.  I had them shave the inside of the shifter on my bike and it looks good.  Another guy I know had the same problem and Harley did the same for him he is satisfied with everything.
Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: sturbee on April 25, 2007, 01:22:50 PM
Check your front motor mount, mine was broken on the '06 SE Ultra, V&H True Duals hit the rear brake lever, no clearance until motor mount was replaced
Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: ace4059 on April 25, 2007, 03:13:11 PM
I had the same problem after my dealer installed the V&H true duals. It looked like there was about 1/4 " clearance between the header pipe and the brake pedal lever. But after the motor was warmed up, the vibration of the motor at idle caused the header pipe to "knock" on the lever and cause an irritating "clanging" noise. You could see where the header pipe was hitting the lever because there was a shiney spot on both. So I removed the brake lever (not the easiest chore) and shaved about 1/4" off the lever where the shiney spot was and polished it and coated it with clear coat. Problem solved and you can't even tell the lever has been shaved.
I definitely recommend the SERT (I went w/ calibration #84) I get 39-41 mpg w/ plenty of power.
Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: Midnight Rider on April 25, 2007, 04:21:11 PM
One thing that can cause some of these fitment issues is the exhaust flange gasket...if you use the standard thick variety it can make a pretty good difference in how far the pipe sits off the front jug, and thus how far it is from the timing cover.  Use the SE type thinner gaskets to achieve maximum clearance.  Then shave the pedal if necessary...it's Billet, so when you polish it, nobody will ever know but you.  The Rineharts come with a thiner gasket, and the V&H might too, but I've not seen a pair in person.  The Dealer's, however, might be tempted to use the thicker stock variety because they're easier to make seal.
Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: nixobilly on April 25, 2007, 04:24:30 PM
BTW -- the V&H TD headers do NOT ship with gaskets, you must provide.

Mark
Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: harleyman on April 25, 2007, 07:39:46 PM
thanks alot guys the dealer took the brake paddle off and i personally shaved about one quarter of an inch it fits good now however the dealer is still trying to deal with vance and hines about the fitment issue. as for the race tuner i will have to wait till they become available. the dealer said the he put the bike on the dyno and it ran good but i will find out when i pick up the bike from the dealer. thanks again for your help
Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: skreminegul07 on June 22, 2007, 09:52:35 PM
Had to shave the brake pedal about 1/4" as well.  It was actually hitting the pipe because the heatshield was notched at the factory.

When I put the Sceamin Eagle off road slip on's back on the TD,s they were almost twice as loud as with the stock head pipes.  The V&H True Duals are now on order.

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Title: Re: Vance and Hines true duals
Post by: harleyman on June 22, 2007, 10:36:51 PM
i have to go back to my dealer they put a new set of true duals in my bike however i still have the shaved brake pedal on it,i will find out when iput the new brake pedal this week letyou guys know about it thanks.