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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2017, 09:00:45 PM »

Just curious, but why would you get better mileage with a CT?

Also, how does CT channel the water while cornering when riding in the rain?

To be honest, this the first time I’ve heard of “The Dark Side”

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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2017, 09:02:10 PM »

I had the opportunity to ride a DarkSide bike, it belonged to one of the riders in my class. He liked to ride coast to coast non stop eating Skittles, and drinking RedBull all the way.

In a straight line his bike felt solid. Running the weave at 14 feet was a challenge. I felt myself having to wrestle the bike up off the flat bottom up onto the corner, or edge to go around a cone, then back down onto the flat bottom, then up onto the edge on the other side to go around the next cone. I was unable to do it when the cones were 12 feet apart.

In the circle I could not achieve full lock with a hard inside lean. The bike kept wanting to tip back outside.  During the times I did get it up on the edge, I had a teetering sensation. I was unable to do the offset as the quick back and forth quick handlebar transition needed to negotiate the exercise came too slowly. I could not flick the bike back and forth, side to side. The full lock U-Turn from a standing stop went wide and upright.

He and I talked about it for a while, and for what he wanted to do, the car tire served him well. He wanted to buy one tire, make it last for several seasons, and run super slab all the time. With the amount of miles he racks up, he didn't want to be bothered with having to change tires several times in the riding season.

Now that's my experience, and it was very limited. For anybody who rides DarkSide and swears by it, go for it. Enjoy. I was curious to know that since you like running a car tire on the rear, have you ever considered running one on the front too? If not, why? You would get the same extra long life out of the front that you do with the rear, with no fear of cupping whatsoever.

Front tire options are very limited. It's possible and there are some folks doing it, it's called Double Dark. I never really ran a car tire because of the increased mileage alone, but it was nice.

As for the MSF range, I can imagine that would be a tough ride.  But I guess you didn't crash or edplode into a ball of light. You didn't like it, but it didn't kill you.

I taught for the MSF from 1984ish to 1991....my last class was in Seoul Korea. I was never any good at lock to lock turns on any bike.  But in my some 51 years riding, those exercises on the range were the only time I ever did a weave or figure 8s in a box.  Now stopping in a turn and the countersteering exercise was a blast.
I even had a great exercise for the inevitable gorilla that insisted that helmets hurt more than they help:

Gorilla: The weight of the helmet moment of inertia or momentum will break your neck in a crash.
Me:  Ok, come sit in this chair and wear this helmet and let me hit you in the head with this baseball bat.
Gorilla: Oh no, the momentum times the speed of the bat squared plus the weight of the brain bla bla bla will result in a broken neck.
Me:  Okay, take the helmet off and let me hit you.
Gorilla:   (dumb look).
End of lesson.

If darksiders were that dangerous the insurance companies would raise up as would the state lawmakers and the FEDS.  Texas has mandated a handhold for all passengers and it is a misdemeanor if you don't have one. Don't take that ugly seat strap off.  And no, the backrest is not a hand hold.

Ride Safe.
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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2017, 09:06:31 PM »

Just curious, but why would you get better mileage with a CT?

Also, how does CT channel the water while cornering when riding in the rain?

To be honest, this the first time I’ve heard of “The Dark Side”

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Sparks fly in the Tail of the Drag, but the rider does not self-destruct.  Look at the contact patch, it is probably always larger that if on a motorcycle tire.



Sipes will still channel water away.  Stopping power on dry is very very good, and on wet is still better than the motorcycle tire.

If you search youtube for dark side videos you can find all the answers to these questions in video form.  Look for cameras mounted where you can see the tire under load like blasting up the Tail of the Dragon.
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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2017, 09:10:01 PM »

You assume much, grasshopper.  I guess you are much like those other people who bad mouth me because I piss all over their suggestions to run tires with much lower than stock load ratings.  I would suggest you educate yourself on the differences in design principles for automotive versus motorcycle tires, but I'm guessing I'd be wasting my time.  You are obviously another one of those folks who think they know more than the engineers and scientists. 

Jerry

OMG  You are right! CTs don't work on bikes!

I guess I never really rode the Dragon (5 or 6 times) on a car tire. I guess I never rode down the backside of the Cherohala Skyway in a heavy thunderstorm with the wife on the back passing bike after bike because CTs are amazing in the rain. Why if it wasn't for you setting me straight I would have thought I had 35,000 trouble free Dark Side miles on my 2011 FLTRU.

I don't know how I can thank you enough! Without your sage guidance I would thought that the time the pickup pulled out right in front of me that the immense amount of rubber my CT put on the road was all that allowed my panic stop to miss the truck.

Wait a minute, I just remembered, I never asked anyone's opinion about the Dark Side. I merely asked if any one else here was doing it. You could have simply answered "Not me., but instead you felt compelled to HIJACK MY THREAD so that you dispense your wisdom that you seem to believe no one can live without.

So how about this? Go away and find some noob that will believe  the garbage that you wisdom. I for one can do without it.

Thanks,
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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2017, 09:14:08 PM »

Just curious, but why would you get better mileage with a CT?


I forgot to answer your question.  Car tires have a different rubber compound. 
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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2017, 09:19:48 PM »

Double Dark is not 2 Car Tires. DD is a car tire on the back and a motorcycle rear tire on the front. The idea is get as much rubber on the rode as possible.

IMO car tires are far superior in the rain. It is easy to pick me out in the rain. I am the one passing the cages withe stereo blasting while I butt dance down the highway.

Car tires are less maneuverable at slow speeds like parking lots and they will fight to make the bike follow the crown of the road.... Nothing is perfect.
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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2017, 09:56:40 PM »

Double Dark is not 2 Car Tires. DD is a car tire on the back and a motorcycle rear tire on the front. The idea is get as much rubber on the rode as possible.

IMO car tires are far superior in the rain. It is easy to pick me out in the rain. I am the one passing the cages withe stereo blasting while I butt dance down the highway.

Car tires are less maneuverable at slow speeds like parking lots and they will fight to make the bike follow the crown of the road.... Nothing is perfect.



SUGGESTION: 
I see you’re new to this forum...

To me that means you should take some time to try and get to know the members who have been riding for many years and exchanging their experiences both professional and motorcycle related with each other in a respectful way.

Yes you are entitled to your opinions especially on this subject where you may be a majority of one. So I’m not trying to argue with you but I am trying to get you to get along and be respectful of the other members. 


NOW TO YOUR QUESTION

I have ridden on a rear street tire extensively on early model Boss Hosses. They didn’t make a motorcycle tire for that bike early on. I didn’t feel safe on corners or wet roads since I was riding in he side wall with no tread.

Your video highlights another issue. The “patch” you ride on with a street car tire is comparatively small since the flat tire will lift in turns and reduce the contact area. Comparatively a motorcycle tire by design has more sidewall tread for contact. Now we both know that on wet leaves and roadways both are challenging.

So if you asked me which I would prefer it would be the motorcycle tire configuration by a long shot.

BTW: Lke many here, I have ridden over 36 of my own motorcycles in hail, snow, rain, extremely high wind, hurricanes and blowing sand for over 50 years now and NEVER been down. My preference is sun, cool to warm weather and friends like the members here to share experiences with.

I truly hope you come to value your membership as well.

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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2017, 10:58:25 PM »

You seriously consider anything on a Boss Hoss to represent anything else in the world? Really?

Using your logic all motorcycles must be extremely heavy and hard to ride slow. Because I once rode a Boss Hoss and it was like that so all motorcycle must be like that.... The Boss Hoss I rode had no bags so no built motorcycles must have any storage space. sheesh...

Lots of silly folks on this forum.....
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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2017, 11:04:16 PM »

Seriously, all I asked was is anyone running a CT on their CVO?

I did not ask, "do you approve of car tires on bikes?"
I did not ask "do you know someone who knows someone who heard that some engineer does not like car tires?"
I did not ask " do you think I suffer fools gladly?"

How about someone actually try to ATFQ!

Really is that really asking too much?
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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2017, 11:58:21 PM »

Not really.  Plus, it beats asking anybody if they run motorcycle tires on their car.
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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2017, 12:08:31 AM »

I don't. Does that answer your question?
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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2017, 03:08:55 AM »

No and I wouldn't bother, unless I went back to a sidecar outfit.  I wouldn't run a traditional sidecar tyre on a solo motorcycle either. 

I could add more but you might consider me "silly".
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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2017, 07:27:35 AM »

Seriously, all I asked was is anyone running a CT on their CVO?


Anyone?  For me that would be no sir....

.....but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last evening.... ;D

.....Oh wait, you didn't ask that.  Sorry to intrude. (couldnthepmyself)

Now back to the regular, scheduled thread....

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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2017, 07:32:23 AM »

Not really.  Plus, it beats asking anybody if they run motorcycle tires on their car.

Now that's just silly....motorcycle tires on a car.... :huepfenjump3:
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Re: Dark Side CVO's?
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2017, 08:03:58 AM »

Now that's just silly....motorcycle tires on a car.... :huepfenjump3:

 ;D  Indeed.  Somebody forgot to put a 4th wheel on that car.   :huepfenlol2:
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