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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2017, 06:52:26 PM »

Love how they are looking for the rider and dealing less with the driver tried to smash him. California logic.

I hate this state....
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2017, 07:39:44 PM »

 that happend to me when i was young and dumb, hurts like hell too...and the police made me pay to fix there damn car, good to know a bike can take a hit like that and you can ride it out
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2017, 08:11:12 PM »

The car driver caused the accident with his reaction to a reaction.

i respectfully disagree.  the initial 'incident' most likely stemmed from the car driver cutting off the biker (as per witness).  the guy probably didn't see him, happens all the time.  the guy on the bike should have just backed off and let the guy go on about his business.  how many times have you heard a biker mention that he felt bad because he accidentally cut someone off?  the biker reacted badly.  if he had just let it go, the guy in the caddy would have had to make a trip to the er.
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2017, 10:14:00 PM »

Nope. Not at all. Rider caused the accident and fled the scene. Mandatory jail time. He better hope nobody in the car got hurt or killed.

The biker shouldn't have kicked the car and just let it go. That is no excuse for the car driver trying to kill him which is what he was trying to do. The car driver caused the accident with his reaction to a reaction.
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2017, 06:21:36 AM »

Nope. Not at all. Rider caused the accident and fled the scene. Mandatory jail time. He better hope nobody in the car got hurt or killed.

 :-\ I believe Dennis 97 has nailed it as to what went down.  When driving,  it is how you react to a situation that determines how insurance comes into play.  e.g. you're going down the road and a deer jumps out of the ditch in front of you.  If you go ahead and smash into the deer and bend the car up,  you're much better off as to how insurance will cover it than if you (react) and jerk the wheel and end up smashing into a tree to avoid the deer. :drink:
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2017, 07:11:31 AM »

Guy driving the car is a moron, as evidenced by his reaction.  The biker didn't kick his door because he thought his door looked like it needed a kick, there was a reason.  But the the driver's reaction after that was idiotic. Rode rage moron.
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2017, 08:18:14 AM »

since we cannot see what happened before the video started.....

what i see is the biker chose to come up the left side of the car and kick it.
the car swerves before he can get his foot back to the bike.
was that swerve intentional? or a bad reaction to the kick?

the start of this chain reaction was a kick. had the biker not done that then this accident  would not have happened.

maybe the car would have still tried to take him out in another mile ( dont know what was going on before this )

but in my opinion this was all caused by a biker kicking a car
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2017, 12:16:01 PM »

Nothing showing what caused/provoked the door kick.  Without that info, we are all speculating.  My speculation is the driver did "something" and the biker reacted - badly.  Still think the driver is a moron to have caused all that from a kick on the door.
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2017, 05:40:16 PM »

Biker is the he moron. He kicked the door. He started the whole chain of accident events.
That was intentional hence he is a moron. We don't know why the driver reacted the way he / she did so untill we know it's hard to pass judgement.

Nothing showing what caused/provoked the door kick.  Without that info, we are all speculating.  My speculation is the driver did "something" and the biker reacted - badly.  Still think the driver is a moron to have caused all that from a kick on the door.
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2017, 06:02:58 PM »

Biker is the he moron. He kicked the door. He started the whole chain of accident events.
That was intentional hence he is a moron. We don't know why the driver reacted the way he / she did so untill we know it's hard to pass judgement.

The initial reaction of the driver of the car is to swerve INTO to bike.  Aggressive move, the kick from the biker was dumb, the move by the driver could have killed the biker and may give a hint of what had happened before the kick.  Still no idea why the biker kicked the door, not shown here.  There was a reason for that kick.  We disagree, fine by me.  Driver is the moron. 

Have had cage drivers - for no reason at all - take an aggressive move to try to run me off the road.  Not lately, and thankfully, not that frequent.  But it has happened and all I was doing was staying in my lane while they intentionally tried to swerve into me, running me onto the should or actually off the road.  Not funny, but from the big grin on one of the $%#&* faces, you would have figured he found it funny.  So I have a prejudiced opinion here. No excuse for a car to try to hit anything intentionally, and if the biker had been killed, could have been manslaughter.
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2017, 06:12:11 PM »

The initial reaction of the driver of the car is to swerve INTO to bike.  Aggressive move, the kick from the biker was dumb, the move by the driver could have killed the biker and may give a hint of what had happened before the kick.  Still no idea why the biker kicked the door, not shown here.  There was a reason for that kick.  We disagree, fine by me.  Driver is the moron. 

Have had cage drivers - for no reason at all - take an aggressive move to try to run me off the road.  Not lately, and thankfully, not that frequent.  But it has happened and all I was doing was staying in my lane while they intentionally tried to swerve into me, running me onto the should or actually off the road.  Not funny, but from the big grin on one of the $%#&* faces, you would have figured he found it funny.  So I have a prejudiced opinion here. No excuse for a car to try to hit anything intentionally, and if the biker had been killed, could have been manslaughter.

The predicate act may not even matter that much.  If I say a bad word to someone and that someone responds physically it so some form of assault or worse (depending on the damage done).  Words do not beget a physical response.  It would seem, at least to my layman's perspective, that a boot (regardless of the predicate act that led to it) on a fender would not beget 3500 pounds of car at highway velocity running your ass over or off the road either. 

Whomever was "wrong" or instigated is irrelevant.  If I say someone (for example) moderates like they ride a Honda they don't get to strike me.  If I put a boot on your fender they don't get to run my ass over.

Granted.  I should be smarter than to put a boot on the fender.  There are still thresholds though.
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2017, 06:27:42 PM »

The predicate act may not even matter that much.  If I say a bad word to someone and that someone responds physically it so some form of assault or worse (depending on the damage done).  Words do not beget a physical response.  It would seem, at least to my layman's perspective, that a boot (regardless of the predicate act that led to it) on a fender would not beget 3500 pounds of car at highway velocity running your ass over or off the road either. 

Whomever was "wrong" or instigated is irrelevant.  If I say someone (for example) moderates like they ride a Honda they don't get to strike me.  If I put a boot on your fender they don't get to run my ass over.

Granted.  I should be smarter than to put a boot on the fender.  There are still thresholds though.

Glad you didn't say that someone moderates like they ride a Vespa with training wheels & a little rubber horn on the handlebars. That would have been...harsh.  Vehicular homicide is a thing.  Bopping a car into a bike is a thing.  Kicking a car from a bike is a thing, too.  The bike bopping by the car, in the scheme of things, is worse.  Watching that moron car driver oversteer, over react & slam brakes then hit the wall & then flip a truck - have seen driving like this, from the same perspective as the camera.  Beyond bad driving.  Did not see much smart in that video.  Biker had some luck, no doubt.
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2017, 06:35:32 PM »

Glad you didn't say that someone moderates like they ride a Vespa with training wheels & a little rubber horn on the handlebars. That would have been...harsh.  Vehicular homicide is a thing.  Bopping a car into a bike is a thing.  Kicking a car from a bike is a thing, too.  The bike bopping by the car, in the scheme of things, is worse.  Watching that moron car driver oversteer, over react & slam brakes then hit the wall & then flip a truck - have seen driving like this, from the same perspective as the camera.  Beyond bad driving.  Did not see much smart in that video.  Biker had some luck, no doubt.

The Travel Gods (who are a thing) should kick both their asses.
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2017, 07:10:04 PM »

I agree with naitram in that we don't see what happened before the video and his other points are important too.
From what I have read in other articles the person who took the video claimed the car driver cut off the bike when changing lanes.
Who knows why that happened? Whether it was a deliberate act or just car driver stupidity and distraction with no intent to run over a biker. So we have one violation with attempted homicide at worst if motive could be found or proven, then at least it would be an improper lane change or maybe reckless driving depending on state laws.
Then the next act of biker striking car is a deliberate criminal act of vandalism and could be considered the cause of everything that happened afterwards such as injuries and property damage to all vehicles involved.
Again the act of the car moving towards the biker after the kick could have been a deliberate act of payback to the biker but without a confession that could be hard to prove since in many instances a car driver will look at a cause of concern and it's natural to "steer where you look" so if you were in a car and felt or heard a loud bang on one side of your car would you turn and look at it? Odds are yes. This shows up best on cases where someone runs off the road and into the next utility pole or tree, they looked at a tree and drove to it....It is also why they teach bikers who see a pothole or muffler or another obstruction in the roadway, look for an escape route and don't fixate on the object or you will run over it.
I think of the old saying "two wrongs don't make a right" when it comes to chain reaction events like this and wonder if anyone in the chain could have broken the chain of events and deescalated the situation......
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Re: Latest road rage video
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2017, 07:12:26 PM »

The Travel Gods (who are a thing) should kick both their asses.

^^^^^^This!

Sometimes it is better to take the high road and let the a$$hat cager continue on its way. Thus, letting karma work in your favor, eventually (smiting the cage driver lol)
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