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At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« on: April 16, 2007, 07:14:45 PM »

At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus

BLACKSBURG, Va. - Thirty-three people, including the gunman, were killed at a Virginia university Monday in the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. At least 15 other people were injured, some of them as they leaped to safety from the fourth floor of a classroom building.

The shootings, which took place in two locations on campus, came just four days before the eighth anniversary of the Columbine High School bloodbath near Littleton, Colo. They created panic and confusion at the college, where students and employees angrily asked why the first e-mail warning did not go out to them until the gunman had struck a second time.

Nearly 50 victims
Federal law enforcement officials said the gunman killed himself after he shot dozens of people at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, in southwest Virginia. Thirty-two people plus the shooter were confirmed dead.

In addition to the 33 dead, hospitals reported that 15 people were injured, some of whom had jumped from the fourth floor of the classroom building where the second wave of shootings took place. Five were in stable condition; the conditions of the others were not immediately reported.

Investigators told NBC News that they had been unable to positively identify the gunman, who died after he shot himself in the face. He carried no ID or cell phone, and an initial check on his fingerprints came up empty.

Witnesses described him as a man in his 20s, wearing a maroon cap and a black leather jacket. A spokesman for the FBI in Washington said there was no immediate evidence to suggest that the incident was a terrorist attack, “but all avenues will be explored.”

“Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions,” said Charles Steger, the university’s president. “The university is shocked and indeed horrified.”

President Bush said in a brief televised statement: “Schools should be places of sanctuary and safety and learning. When that sanctuary is violated, the impact is felt in every American classroom and every American community. Today, our nation grieves with those who have lost loved ones at Virginia Tech.”

Warnings came too late
Steger and law enforcement authorities gave this account of the day’s events in public statements and comments to NBC News:

The rampage began about 7:15 a.m. ET at West Ambler Johnston, a coeducational residence hall that houses 895 people. The gunman, armed with a 9-mm pistol and a .22-caliber handgun, killed two people there before making his way to Norris Hall, an engineering classroom building on the opposite end of the 2,600-acre campus.

About 9:15, the gunman chained the doors of the classroom building so his potential victims could not escape and police could not enter. There, he shot as many as 46 more people.

Not until 9:26 did the first warning to students and employees go out by e-mail, according to the time stamps on copies obtained by NBC News. By then, the classroom shooting was well under way.

The first e-mail had few details. It said: “A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating.” The message warned students to be cautious and contact police about anything suspicious.

Maurice Hiller, a student, told The Associated Press that he went to a 9 a.m. class just two buildings away from the engineering building and that no warnings were coming over the outdoor public address system on campus at the time.

Steger said at a briefing for reporters that administrators and police initially believed the first shooting was an isolated domestic incident and did not see a need to close the university. Steger said they believed the gunman had fled the campus.

“We can only make decisions based on the information you had on the time. You don’t have hours to reflect on it,” he said.

Inside the engineering building, an “unreal” and bloody scene was unfolding.

“None of us thought it could have been gunshots,” a student who identified himself as Trey Perkins told MSNBC’s Chris Jansing in a telephone interview. “... I’m not sure how long it lasted. It seemed like a really long time.”

Perkins said the gunman never said a word. “He didn’t say, ‘Get down.’ He didn’t say anything.” He just started shooting.”

The gunman left that classroom and then tried to return, but students kept him out by bracing the door closed with their feet. “He started to try to come in again and started shooting through the door,” Perkins said, but hit no one.

“I got on the ground and I was just thinking, like, there’s no way I’m going to survive this,” Perkins said. “All I could keep thinking of was my mom.”

Until Monday, the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard plowed his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.

The deadliest previous campus shooting in U.S. history took place in 1966 at the University of Texas, where Charles Whitman climbed to the 28th-floor observation deck of a clock tower and opened fire. He killed 16 people before he was gunned down by police.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/?GT1=9246

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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2007, 07:16:43 PM »

I can't even relate to this.  I hadn't seen the news since getting to work and now find that the numbers have climbed into the 30's.

Unbelievable in every sense...........it just leaves you numb.

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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2007, 07:17:12 PM »

Been reading/watching that all day. Got a call from my daughter this morning telling me about it. I'm just thankful that is not the school she is attending. That's some scarey chit!!!! :nervous:

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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2007, 07:18:54 PM »

Been reading/watching that all day. Got a call from my daughter this morning telling me about it. I'm just thankful that is not the school she is attending. That's some scarey chit!!!! :nervous:

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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2007, 07:19:23 PM »

very scary, but i suspect the real tragedy will be overshadowed by political posturing of those on the campaign trail

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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2007, 07:29:50 PM »

Gary, I didn't even want to ask.  So glad to see your post.
Thankfully she is fine, but I believe it gave her a reality check. So often (myself included) when we are young we feel we are invincible. While talking to her this morning she started telling me how even though the dorms at her campus are secured and you have to have card key to get in they aren't really as secure as you think. The doors are handicap accessible so that means they automatically stay open longer so someone could walk in behind you, people going out let others in all the time just being courteous (wife has got in the dorm couple times like that), etc, etc. So many kids and others walk around these days w/iPods and other devices w/music so loud that they can't really hear their surroundings. I've noticed females walking/jogging late at night w/devices like this on and it just sends chills up my body. They don't realize how easy it would be for somebody to sneak up behind them and do harm to them.

I explained to her that's why I always worry about her and I think she had some understanding this morning. I didn't get the "Aww Daddy I'll be alright, nothing is going to happen to me".

I feel for the parents, relatives, friends, of those that were killed, and also for the students, faculty, employees of Va.Tech. This is the second time this year that there has been a shooting incident on that campus. My thoughts and prayers go out for all those that were affected by this tragedy.

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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2007, 07:50:00 PM »

My nephew [sisters son] goes to Va Tech. His dorm room is in Amber Johnston West where the first shootings occured.

At 7:15 am he was in the shower when he heard gun shots.
At 7:30 am he was told to evacuate the 4th floor of the dorm. The shootings were just 5 doors down the hall.
He and his room mate were led to the dining hall. They were told that they could go to class.
After eating he was going to a Lab across the drill field from Norris Hall, where the next shootings were. He heard the shootings there in the lecture hall where the Engineering students were.
He tried to enter the dorm to get his books but was not allowed in the Dorm.  It was locked down.

One of his friends from Smithfield Va, Matthew Webster, was shot in the face and shoulder. He will be OK!

My hopes are that he will be able to continue his education and this will not scar him for life.


Ryan told me that the gunman went into the dorm and had an argument with his girlfriend. The R A interviened and was shot , then the girlfriend was shot.
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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2007, 08:00:42 PM »

Scarey time, glad your nephew is ok and his friend will recover.

What a totally unbelievable event.  When it comes down to it, there really isn't much between us and some desperate person like this.
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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2007, 08:04:42 PM »

Hogasm,

So sorry to hear about your nephews friend.  Have many friends with kids there and my daughter has a lot of friends there as well.  Holding our breath that everyone is okay.  So far it seems like they all are.

Thanks god she (my daughter) is at Auburn, almost was at VT.

My thoughts and prayers to all the students and families!!!
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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2007, 08:34:43 PM »

A terrible tragedy.

Glad your nephew is ok Hogasm.  Our thoughts and prayers are with his friend and all others who were injured or perished - and their families and friends and others affected as a result of this senseless act.
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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2007, 08:40:55 PM »

Like the rest of the nation we're shocked and sickened by today's events. Many thoughts and prayers but in the end we're just terribly sad.
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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2007, 09:04:10 PM »

Just talked to my nephew, he is trying to get away from the media circus. He said that if he leaves campus that he would not be allowed back on campus, to a date to be determined.

School is closed to a date to be determined.

He does not know when he will be allowed in his dorm.
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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2007, 10:44:14 PM »

I am so very sorry for the deaths of these young people and yet at the same time so very grateful we live in a country with the wisdom, compassion and strength of faith that is America. The survivors of this terrible tragedy will heal and move on with their lives, remembering always those who died. The parents of those dead will greive, each in their own way and in time will move on, always remembering their children, always wondering what the world was shortchanged of in their premature deaths. We as a nation will move on, always remembering and hopefully learning from this. What we won't do, and what separates us from many nations on earth is that we will not seek revenge on the family of the person responsible for this. We will not create more suffering to ease our own pain. If there is anything to give thanks for in this terrible time of grief, it is that. God bless all who died, those who survived, all of their families and God Bless America.

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Re: At least 33 dead in rampage on Virginia campus
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2007, 10:54:17 PM »

I am left numb by this news...
just when you think it cant get any worse..it does...
my heart goes out to these young people who were just trying to get through their day

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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2007, 06:27:47 AM »

To slaughter innocent people is just unimaginable
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