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[2soaper]

Resident alien, are they legally allowed to own fireams?  Doesn't really matter anyone can purchase a firearms and do this chit and impossiable to stop.  Hope he burns in hell...........

[RJ749]

Resident alien, are they legally allowed to own fireams?  Doesn't really matter anyone can purchase a firearms and do this chit and impossiable to stop.  Hope he burns in hell...........

There are several laws that could apply from Virginia:

Purchase of Multiple Handguns in Virginia

The 1993 Virginia General Assembly amended and reenacted §18.2-308.2:2, Code of Virginia, making it unlawful for any person who is not a licensed firearms dealer to purchase more than 1 handgun within any 30-day period. The Virginia State Police is responsible for accepting and processing the Multiple Handgun Purchase Application and Multiple Handgun Purchase Certificate, when purchases in excess of one handgun within a 30-day period can be justified.

A legal alien can own a gun:

§ 18.2-308.2:01. Possession or transportation of certain firearms by certain persons.

It shall be unlawful for any person who is not a citizen of the United States or who is not a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence to knowingly and intentionally possess or transport any assault firearm or to knowingly and intentionally carry about his person, hidden from common observation, an assault firearm. It shall be unlawful for any person who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully present in the United States to knowingly and intentionally possess or transport any firearm or to knowingly and intentionally carry about his person, hidden from common observation, any firearm. A violation of this section shall be punishable as a Class 6 felony.

Since he was a lawful resident he can own a gun.  No waiting period and a drivers license, along with the Federal instant check gets you a handgun.

I doubt it would matter with this guy whether he could get one legally or not, he would have gotten them.  It remains to be seen if he filed off the serial numbers or if he bought hot guns.

[Fired00d]

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Since he was a lawful resident he can own a gun.  No waiting period and a drivers license, along with the Federal instant check gets you a handgun.

I doubt it would matter with this guy whether he could get one legally or not, he would have gotten them.  It remains to be seen if he filed off the serial numbers or if he bought hot guns.

The news stated this morning that one of the guns was purchased within the last two weeks, and I'm believing it stated last Friday. Also the serial numbers were "tampered" with in a way as not to make them easily traced. 

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Fired00d]

Just found a site that has a lot of information on owning/possessing firearms - Brady Campaign State Gun Laws. You can select your state and find out what the laws are.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[naitram]

i hate to push this in the direction of a firearms debate, but since I'm sure Hillary will take care of that herself.

i believe statistics will show these types of violent crimes are typically not committed by those that legally posses firearms. imposing more gun control only hurts law abiding citizens.

politicians will use this to reenact the large capacity ban. because he used large capacity clips. this guy was prepared for a war, it wouldn't have matter if he had a few large cap. clips or many small cap. clips.

he committed a criminal act and if he hadn't taken his own life. he would have been prosecuted and most likely given the death penalty.

making it more difficult for Roger to hunt or for me to target shoot will never stop someone who sets out on a premeditated rampage

[Fired00d]

i hate to push this in the direction of a firearms debate, but since I'm sure Hillary will take care of that herself.

i believe statistics will show these types of violent crimes are typically not committed by those that legally posses firearms. imposing more gun control only hurts law abiding citizens.

politicians will use this to reenact the large capacity ban. because he used large capacity clips. this guy was prepared for a war, it wouldn't have matter if he had a few large cap. clips or many small cap. clips.

he committed a criminal act and if he hadn't taken his own life. he would have been prosecuted and most likely given the death penalty.

making it more difficult for Roger to hunt or for me to target shoot will never stop someone who sets out on a premeditated rampage

So very true creating more/stricter laws will not change things. Has it changed drug use/dealing? Those that want to commit/do these type of activities will find a way. I think the more laws created to stop them sometimes leads to more illegal enterprises to profit from them.

I heard on the news that there was a law/bill limiting the size of clips for automatic handguns that has recently expired. As Neal stated only difference this would have made in this situation is he would have just had more clips. His intent was to kill/harm as many people as he could by any means necessary.


Ride Safe,
 Fired00d
 

[RJ749]

Just found a site that has a lot of information on owning/possessing firearms - Brady Campaign State Gun Laws. You can select your state and find out what the laws are.
 :pumpkin:Ride Safe,Fired00d  

Here's the NRA source for State laws: www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

[iski]

i hate to push this in the direction of a firearms debate, but since I'm sure Hillary will take care of that herself.

i believe statistics will show these types of violent crimes are typically not committed by those that legally posses firearms. imposing more gun control only hurts law abiding citizens.

politicians will use this to reenact the large capacity ban. because he used large capacity clips. this guy was prepared for a war, it wouldn't have matter if he had a few large cap. clips or many small cap. clips.

he committed a criminal act and if he hadn't taken his own life. he would have been prosecuted and most likely given the death penalty.

making it more difficult for Roger to hunt or for me to target shoot will never stop someone who sets out on a premeditated rampage

Agreed.  It remains easier for some to place blame on the instrument used - in this case hand guns with clips - than on the evil of the actual person committed to committing a heinous crime.  I favor strong laws that require jail time for committing a crime with a gun - even if it is not fired.  Law abiding citizens should not suffer loss of freedoms due to the actions of a small percentage of maniacs.

The security/lack thereof discussions will also prove to be long reaching as well for campuses everywhere. Video surveillance all over the place is my best guess.

[Tros]

i hate to push this in the direction of a firearms debate, but since I'm sure Hillary will take care of that herself.

i believe statistics will show these types of violent crimes are typically not committed by those that legally posses firearms. imposing more gun control only hurts law abiding citizens.

politicians will use this to reenact the large capacity ban. because he used large capacity clips. this guy was prepared for a war, it wouldn't have matter if he had a few large cap. clips or many small cap. clips.

he committed a criminal act and if he hadn't taken his own life. he would have been prosecuted and most likely given the death penalty.

making it more difficult for Roger to hunt or for me to target shoot will never stop someone who sets out on a premeditated rampage

+1

[RJ749]

i hate to push this in the direction of a firearms debate, but since I'm sure Hillary will take care of that herself.

i believe statistics will show these types of violent crimes are typically not committed by those that legally posses firearms. imposing more gun control only hurts law abiding citizens.

politicians will use this to reenact the large capacity ban. because he used large capacity clips. this guy was prepared for a war, it wouldn't have matter if he had a few large cap. clips or many small cap. clips.

he committed a criminal act and if he hadn't taken his own life. he would have been prosecuted and most likely given the death penalty.

making it more difficult for Roger to hunt or for me to target shoot will never stop someone who sets out on a premeditated rampage

I found it very interesting that this was as thought out as it was.  This madman went about this in a calculated manner.

To think that he would be able to inflict this amount of pain and suffering in a short time shows how vulnerable we are to such attack.  This speculation could open up an incredible amount of discussion regarding our "homeland Security" but I digress.

In the past much of the focus of "anti" gun advocates has been on assault weapons and rifles.  Never before has someone dealt this kind of devastation at close range with handguns, especially a .22 and a 9mm.  Basically a target shooters choice with the .22 and the same weapon many police carry today in the 9mm.

Other than a metal detector at the entrance to every building that is entered and a policeman in every room, there is little if anything that can be done to stop a determined shooter in this type of an act.  Ultimately the policeman in the room and metal detectors would not stop a determined criminal/terrorist.

This debate is and will continue to be a vicious circle.

Today in New Orleans more right to carry permits are issued than before Katrina and there is less than half the population.  

I have a carry permit (mostly for transport) and I do not carry.  Would someone that was carrying slowed or stopped the shooting at VT?  We'll never know.

However, it is apparent that Cho Seung-Hui was aiming and not just firing wildly.  The devastation would have been great regardless of the defense with this madman.

[naitram]

NO, is a story unto itself. last i heard Mayor Nagin is still facing leagl trouble for the illeagle seizures done during and after katrina

[RJ749]

One law enforcement official said Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol.

[Ceej]

Heartwrenching story. Of course crys for more weapons control are already being heard. If someone amongst the majority Grad students targeted had a conceal carry permit, their piece was likely in the car, as Va forbids carrying on school grounds. I drive a truck and am from Michigan but used to live in Va. Now as I travel as a CDL holder I am not allowed to carry regardless so says the DOT even though there is no law specifiying it. Michigan now outlawed a stun gun, so much for that Idea. Guess my government wants me to be unprotected. Many Mace sprays have been outlawed. As a society we elect these jokers who have routinely worked to disarm us whenever anything like this happens - I think we should have a waiting period on voting on these laws. This guy had a plan, he chained the doors shut, chilling. Just as chilling is the thought that he could have chained the doors shut, started a fire, killed just as many, and then what - outlaw matches? My heart is heavy, but it beats with rage when I hear someone using this to scream gun control already. 

[VaEagle]

Our prayers here go out to the victims and their families as well as friends and the Emergency First Responders who had to deal with this tragedy.
I hope they all can heal in time and try to regain some form of a "normal life".
I understand the need for society to try to place blame and make our children safer. Advance planning and drills can help at times in developing a plan of action to minimize the death toll but we will never eliminate the chance of it happening.
Passing any laws, gun control or otherwise is just a pacifier to society and gives them a false sense of security.
There are enough laws on the books already for situations like this.
As others have mentioned had the suspect lived he would be on trial for 30 plus charges of murder,15 or so charges of attempted murder,45 or so counts of use of a firearm to commit a felony, Multiple counts of kidnapping (for locking the doors and keeping folks captive),two counts of carrying a concealed weapon,two counts of weapon on school grounds,untold number of charges of discharging a weapon or brandishing a weapon, two Federal charges of altering a weapon(serial numbers) as well as other charges as the investigation continues. If the suspect was not put to death he would get hundreds of years in jail for violating the existing laws.
Yet the thought of the death penalty or hundreds of years in jail did NOT deter the suspect and prevent him from acting.
I have seen mention of automatic handguns or assault weapons mentioned by the media and that is just wrong! The large capacity ban that Clinton and the Brady group passed years ago has expired. It had limited magazine (Not clip) capacity to 10 rounds. The only thing that did was create a market for more concealable handguns since the race for large capacity guns was halted. The smaller more concealable guns made it harder for people to detect them when concealed.
The Semiautomatic handguns the suspect had were not "assault weapons" by any means but the media brings up AK-47s in the same breath sometimes. Those Semiautomatic rifles the media despises aren't even built for full auto fire like an AK-47. I wish they would get things right sometimes.
Sorry for the politics at a time like this. I hope society spends more effort and money on healing all of those affected.

[VAZHOG]

My thoughts on this as far as from the Gun Stand point is as follows. As long as you have laws that limit where you can have and carry firearms, Then this type of thing will continue (Example) NO FIREARMS allowed on any school Grounds. (makes for a un-fearing person shooting gallery) Had one person (teacher) or Student Could have returned fire then Death Toll might not have been as large.

9-11-2001 No Airline pilots where allowed to carry firearms (TODAY) They are allowed Because of the very fact that had they had them they would have had a fighting chance to save some lives and maybe the Twin Towers would still be here.

The Schools are for Victims that why they are easy targets!

These are my thoughts yours may be different, Things happen for a reason it's the only thing that can keep you sane, My prayers are with the family's.