Topic: Bikers Threatened With Hefty Noise Fines (Read 5149 times)

Screamin · « **on:** November 29, 2006, 07:41:01 PM »

Bikers Threatened With Hefty Noise Fines in Carefree, Arizona; Call Measure 'Discriminatory'

Tuesday , November 28, 2006

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Fired00d · « **Reply #1 on:** November 29, 2006, 07:52:56 PM »

This is something that is becoming more popular then not. I know a lot of dealers no longer install "drag pipes" on bikes to try to help eliminate more localities from coming to this type of enforcement. Some major rallies are enforcing the "loud" pipes ordinances more and more.

Sometimes we (bikers) can be our own worst enemy. I'll be the first to admit I love the sound of a free flowing exhaust system, but I think the problem lies in those that run either "drag" pipes or run pipes w/o baffles installed. To top that off seems those that run pipes in this condition love to be stopped at traffic lights/intersections and just continuously throttling up to show off how loud their pipes are. I think those that are doing stuff like this are the ones that are causing places to crack down on the noise. It is possible to run the pipes described above in a relatively quiet manner, but a lot of those that have them choose not to run them in that fashion.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Hoist! · « **Reply #2 on:** November 29, 2006, 07:56:42 PM »

I'm assuming they're going to check every piece of rooftop air conditiong equipment,

RJ749 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2006, 08:09:16 PM »

I'm sure most of us would prefer not to live on a street that has our bikes running up and sown it all hours under throttle.

Seattle really cracked down on this without a decibal level, simply by enforcing the existing laws on drag racing etc. and nearly eliminated an every Thursday event, Taco Thursday.

It had gotten to epidemic proportion with 1,000's of bikes on Thursday night dragging from light to light in downtown and rapping the pipes at lights. I should know I was there every Thursday, not dragging but I know my DWG pipes are loud, no one ever wants to ride to my right. Python III's are damn loud under throttle let alone under hard throttle.

Cave Creek will be the loser, guys will ride elsewhere to avoid Carefree.

Bottom line is, noise control will continue to be a hot topic. We discussed this when we went to CC as some Colorado towns are strict on bikes.

Hopefully some middle ground will be found and we can putt putt through Carefree, care free [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

RedFXR2 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2006, 10:11:59 PM »

I would guess that Cave Creek, Arizona probably sees more than it's share of bikers (and I mean bikers as opposed to recreational motorcycle riders) due to the Hells Angels chapter there.

http://www.hamccc.com/

I believe that famous Angel Sonny Barger moved to the area some years back from California and is a member of the Cave Creek chapter now.

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2006, 10:34:20 PM »

80 decibels ?

SEULTRA · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2006, 10:35:14 PM »

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I would guess that Cave Creek, Arizona probably sees more than it's share of bikers (and I mean bikers as opposed to recreational motorcycle riders) due to the Hells Angels chapter there.

http://www.hamccc.com/

I believe that famous Angel Sonny Barger moved to the area some years back from California and is a member of the Cave Creek chapter now.

I met Sonny when I rode to Sturgis in 2000. We were both gassing up our bikes at a station in Wyoming. He was riding with 2 other HA.

altugo · « **Reply #7 on:** November 30, 2006, 10:41:10 AM »

With all due respect to law dont forget that
LOUD PIPES SAVE LIFES
nuff said [smiley=drink.gif]

Scrrem · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2006, 12:34:16 PM »

This has been a big issue where I live near Alexandria Virgina. The historic district classified as Old Town Alexandria has battled this. A couple of years ago, the city cracked down on loud pipe and went as far as to station a motor officer on the street where bikers gather. Anyone who was running with no baffles automatically qualified for a $60.00 door prize. They have chased most of the bikers out of town.
Scrrem

ccr · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2006, 02:43:40 PM »

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This has been

CVOMOE!! · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2006, 03:48:35 PM »

Too bad it just gets worse and worse. I don't believe these poiticians think out the whole issure before they make knee jerk reactions and zero in on one group of people. I can't believe it is that bad there but some folks believe it is their right to have constant quiet all the time and some just like complaining for the sake of complaining.

We can only do our part though and try to throttle down in populated area's. It just isn't a Harley with stock pipes.

CVOMOE

Screamin · « **Reply #11 on:** November 30, 2006, 05:40:39 PM »

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Too bad it just gets worse and worse. I [highlight]don't believe these poiticians think out the whole issure before they make knee jerk reactions[/highlight] and zero in on one group of people. I can't believe it is that bad there but some folks believe it is their right to have constant quiet all the time and some just like complaining for the sake of complaining.

We can only do our part though and try to throttle down in populated area's. It just isn't a Harley with stock pipes.

CVOMOE

A classic understatement my friend.

Rhino · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2006, 07:39:59 PM »

I grew up near railroad tracks. A block away at the crossing you could count on the horn piercing the peace. The train shook the whole neighborhood. Then I moved near an airport. Both were quite soothing to me and made me sleep better.

So what is it about motorcycles? I think the objectioneers are just jealous that they cant come along for the rides too! But really, if the noise was nasty after hours, it could be a problem. But during the day? Blast away!!

Bull (Rhino)

greglyon · « **Reply #13 on:** December 01, 2006, 08:00:08 AM »

Here's what's happening in Arizona. We have a popular destination north of Phoenix called Cave Creek. Most of the bars and restaurants are located in that town. Many even cater to the biker crowd. In order to get to Cave Creek from Phoenix you must go through another town called Carefree. Carefree has posted discriminatory signs that have enraged the biker community. Attached is a picture of the signs posted in Carefree, Az which shows a picture of a motorcycle. Cave Creek has refused to post the signs. The current program involves educating the bikers on how much noise is produced by a given bike and in essence the benefit of lugging your engine in the interest of keeping the noise down. The local mounties will let you test your bike for decibel output at differing rpm so you will know when you exceed 80. About 2 years ago they busted a group of riders. The local judge convicted the group but it was later dismissed because of their failure to prove individual violations.

cigarmike · « **Reply #14 on:** December 01, 2006, 11:08:42 PM »

I have a nieghbor that lives a few houses down the street and outside my court,, hes an elderman, Id say bout 70 or somewhere

ak · « **Reply #15 on:** December 02, 2006, 12:32:02 AM »

Mike-Invite a few of use over we,ll have some fun. I still crack-up thinking about EZ rider last year. We were leaving motel in morning and warming up bikes .A guy on the second floor ,who i think was the guy that came in about 2;30am drunk and woke me up, wanted to sleep in. Well we woke his @ss up getting ready to leave, he was on the 2nd floor screamin $hit down to us but wasn,t making his way for the stairs(had some smarts) Jim HD_DUDE put down about 75 feet of rubber on his way out. the guy was going nuts......AK

erniezap · « **Reply #16 on:** December 02, 2006, 11:14:12 AM »

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Mike-Invite a few of use over we,ll have some fun. I still crack-up thinking about EZ rider last year. We were leaving motel in morning and warming up bikes .A guy on the second floor ,who i think was the guy that came in about 2;30am drunk and woke me up, wanted to sleep in. Well we woke his @ss up

cigarmike · « **Reply #17 on:** December 02, 2006, 02:35:13 PM »

lol, always willing to help....thats why I love you guys...............in a manly Harley kind of way of course.

jfh · « **Reply #18 on:** December 03, 2006, 03:44:42 PM »

As many members have already stated, it's about riding responsibly. There are times and places for WOT antics and we need to select them judiciously.

djkak · « **Reply #19 on:** December 03, 2006, 03:48:22 PM »

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With all due respect to law dont forget that
LOUD PIPES SAVE LIFES
nuff said [smiley=drink.gif]

This noise thing continues to gain political momentum as a quality of life issue. I believe that we should be moving towards a reasonable middle ground solution before we are pushed into an unreasonable one. I can only imagine the regulations that a government obsessed with this quality of life issue will consider, to ensure that motorcyclists are both safe and compliant.

Was it the AMA that coined the slogan;

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #20 on:** December 03, 2006, 04:08:44 PM »

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Mike-Invite a few of use over we,ll have some fun. I still crack-up thinking about EZ rider last year. We were leaving motel in morning and warming up bikes .A guy on the second floor ,who i think was the guy that came in about 2;30am drunk and woke me up, wanted to sleep in. Well we woke his @ss up

RedFXR2 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 03, 2006, 05:02:23 PM »

Here's a perspective on the problem from one who says they live in AZ and are quite familiar with the area and the problem:

"A lot of the issue is pretty common and can be seen or heard in this case any and every weekend. You just came out of El Encanto Mexican Cafe (in Cave Creek) and you're getting ready to head out town to continue your ride. As your getting set to fire up... you hear a bike coming through town towards Carefree. As they go past you pull in behind them. Half way through Carefree they turn right (South) and roll on the throttle like its party time making the pipes bark right through Carefree's art gallery central heading back down into the valley. Almost every time this has gone on it

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #22 on:** December 04, 2006, 06:06:19 PM »

Bottom line is that communities like this WILL prevail...even if somehow the citation does not stick, your choices will be to pay it by mail, fight it in their traffic court...either way, you're going to be out some cash that could be better spent on something else. Cracking the throttle in a small town Art district is NOT the the thing to do, particularly when you know it's already a problem. My neighbors would raise hell, and I live on acre + lots, if I rode up and down the street being stupid/inconsiderate. There's a time and place for everything...everybody can debate the merits/disadvantages of loud pipes 'till the cows come home...this stuff is getting serious, and if people don't voluntarily control the noise by taking it easy in those areas where they KNOW they should, it will be legislated for you, like it or not.

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ccr · « **Reply #23 on:** December 05, 2006, 12:25:15 PM »

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Bottom line is that communities like this WILL prevail...even if somehow the citation does not stick, your choices will be to pay it by mail, fight it in their traffic court...either way, you're going to be out some cash that could be better spent on something else.

sponserv · « **Reply #24 on:** December 06, 2006, 09:31:19 PM »

I used to think that the loud pipes save lives argument was a farce. It was always spewed out by riders who got a kick out of running drag pipes WOT through town. I never bought into the argument until the very first ten minutes I rode my new 07 CUSE with the stock pipes. Some stupid ass woman just changed lanes and ran me into a curb. I am sure its because she didn't hear or see me. I slapped a set of Hooker slip ons on the bike within hours and will never, repeat never ever ride stock quiet pipes again. I'll stop riding before I do that.

I now believe that the extra sensory issue of being able to hear as well as see a motorcycle is crucial.

grc · « **Reply #25 on:** December 06, 2006, 10:35:56 PM »

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I used to think that the loud pipes save lives argument was a farce. It was always spewed out by riders who got a kick out of running drag pipes WOT through town. I never bought into the argument until the very first ten minutes I rode my new 07 CUSE with the stock pipes. Some stupid ass woman just changed lanes and ran me into a curb. I am sure its because she didn't hear or see me. I slapped a set of Hooker slip ons on the bike within hours and will never, repeat never ever ride stock quiet pipes again. I'll stop riding before I do that.

I now believe that the extra sensory issue of being able to hear as well as see a motorcycle is crucial.

Assuming the cage driver wasn't on the phone, playing the stereo loudly, lost in space, or just a lousy driver period, what makes you think that louder pipes would have made a difference?

SEULTRA · « **Reply #26 on:** December 06, 2006, 10:45:23 PM »

While I dearly love the sound of rich rumbling pipes, physics defies the claim that loud pipes save lives. It's only when the offending jerkazoid is behind you or right next to you that the benefit of loud(er) pipes come into play. It's simply a matter of how sound travels.
I'm with Jerry,... sound defensive riding practices and techniques will help you get home safe & sound way better than loud pipes.
But don't let this small piece of personal observation stop you from going out and getting great sounding rumble pipes... I love the sound too!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

Hoist! · « **Reply #27 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:33:45 AM »

If anyone cares, here's my $.02. I'm glad I live in America and extremely proud to be an American. I believe we all have the right to choose to do what we like. More and more, these rights are being governed away because people have lost the concept of respecting other people's rights as well. This issue falls directly into that catagory. I agree with Jerry from the standpoint of the "jackasses". I also agree with Jerry and SEULTRA about their position on defensive riding. However, I also agree with sponserv's position, if he feels being heard will help him be more noticable in an emergency situation. If you care about your life, it is always one's own responsibility to always be aware, ride defensively and understand avoidance techniques. You need to understand that you should ride like every cage out there is trying to kill you. A lot of people will never get a second chance like you might get in a cage. So you had better not solely rely on your pipes to save your life. The additional noise you create with louder pipes can't hurt however, and may help in certain situations.

What it comes down to, IMHO, is that we have the right to do what we want as long as it doesn't infringe on other's right's. Things like common sense and common courtesy seem to have gone out the window in favor of letting gov't. create laws to determine what we can or can not do.

Therefore, there is no right or wrong on this arguement, just as there is none regarding helmets. It's our right to choose, just as much as it's our responsibility to let other's do the same, without infringing on their rights either.

I hate to get all philosophical here, but people need to be more aware of what our Founding Fathers tried to create for us over 200 years ago, and fight like hell to keep it. You have rights but so do others!

Hoist!

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #28 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:23:22 PM »

This "noise pollution" issue is becoming more and more prevelant in other motorized vehicles, not just motorcycles. Jet skis (or Sea-Doos...whatever the type) are being regulated on some of our lakes now because of the noise they create, and the fact that many of the riders tend to get out in front of your place and drone on and on and on and on....one of the lakes here in Alabama (believe me, as a rule Alabama is one of the last to jump on these bandwagons) has recently passed a controversial ordinance on the size of boats allowed on the water. Guess why? Not because people of people in their cruisers, houseboats, large pontoons, etc....it's the Cigarette boats. Most of them on the lake run open headers...it is totally obnoxious!! I like the sound of a good running engine as much as anyone, but there is a time and place for everything. The place for bypassing the mufflers and opening up the headers is not running 50 yards out from vacation homes...it's for open water. Same is true for bikers...it may be fine to tweak the throttle in the parking lot of your local HD dealer, or out on the open road, but it is definitly not fine to do so in areas where common sense tells you it will in all probablity be irritating to other people. When stuff like this happens, the laws passed tend towards the opposite extreme, so unless we all want our Harleys to sound like Wings, everybody had better wake up and smell the coffee, and encourage our friends to be a little more considerate when/where appropriate. Whether loud pipes save lives or not (and I honestly don't believe in 98% of the cases it makes a hill of beans), that will not be a successful argument against an ordinance prohibiting them. Period.

djkak · « **Reply #29 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:24:03 PM »

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Some stupid ass woman just changed lanes and ran me into a curb. I am sure its because she didn't hear or see me.

I now believe that the extra sensory issue of being able to hear as well as see a motorcycle is crucial.

People that are zoned-out and not focused on driving are unlikely to respond to an increase in the ambient sound level. Loud exhaust, blaring from the rear of a machine; reflecting off everything around it is not an effective sound cue unless it happens to be right along side of you.

Gettinold · « **Reply #30 on:** December 12, 2006, 06:07:25 PM »

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Assuming the cage driver wasn't on the phone, playing the stereo loudly, lost in space, or just a lousy driver period, what makes you think that louder pipes would have made a difference?

BLM777 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 12, 2006, 06:11:57 PM »

On the money Jerry.

ccr · « **Reply #32 on:** December 17, 2006, 08:13:43 AM »

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On the money Jerry.

greglyon · « **Reply #33 on:** December 20, 2006, 06:45:58 PM »

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Here's what's happening in Arizona. We have a popular destination north of Phoenix called Cave Creek. Most of the bars and restaurants are located
in that town. Many even cater to the biker crowd. In order to get to Cave Creek from Phoenix you must go through another town called Carefree. Carefree has posted discriminatory signs that have enraged the biker community. Attached is a picture of the signs posted in Carefree, Az which shows a picture of a motorcycle. Cave Creek has refused to post the signs. The current program involves educating the bikers on how much noise is produced by a given bike and in essence the benefit of lugging your engine in the interest of keeping the noise down. The local mounties will let you test your bike for decibel output at differing rpm so you will know when you exceed 80. About 2 years ago they busted a group of riders. The local judge convicted the group but it was later dismissed because of their failure to prove individual violations.

Here is an update on the situation in Carefree Az. If you recall they posted a noise warning sign with a picture of a motorcycle.

Motorcycle Symbol to be Removed from Signs Out of Respect for Motorcyclists

CAREFREE, Ariz. (December 14, 2006)

Screamin · « **Reply #34 on:** December 20, 2006, 07:58:53 PM »

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Here is an update on the situation in Carefree Az. If you recall they posted a noise warning sign with a picture of a motorcycle.

Motorcycle Symbol to be Removed from Signs Out of Respect for Motorcyclists

CAREFREE, Ariz. (December 14, 2006)

RedDevil · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2007, 11:46:39 AM »

Noise abatement is a reality today. Setting up concrete barriers between Interstates and housing developments built next to them. Noise abatement zones around airports, etc. The city I live in, Fredericksburg, VA, has a major road, US3 that runs through the northern portion of the city. There is one place where you go down a slight hill and off to the right is a sign that says, "Residential Area, No Engine Braking", aimed specifically at the semis, dump-trucks, etc, that use their engine brakes and cause the loud back pressure popping from a diesel engine. That's the only place I've ever see a sign like that, and the truck drivers respect it and I've never heard a deisel use engine brakes when I've been in that area. It boils down to being responsible and it's our obligation as the owners of motorcycle, diesels with engine brakes, or whatever, to operate them responsibly and respect the rights of others as we expect them to respect our rights to have freer breathing (read louder) exhausts on our bikes. If you've just got to crack that throttle to show off your pipes, do it at a rally or go out into the country where no one can hear you and crank to your hearts content. I don't have louder pipes on my HD's because I believe for one minute they save lives. I have them because I like the sound and the performance gains I get, but I also know with that extra sound I have to be a little more responsible in how I drive it. When I'm leaving for work at 5:30am, I try to get out of the neighborhood with minimum throttle to keep the noise down. I've never had a neighbor come up to me and ask me to keep the noise down when I'm riding. My one neighbor across the street was very nervous when he moved in and found out that I was a Harley rider. He even asked me if I had loud pipes on the bike. I talk to him all the time and he's never once told me that he thought I was too noisey when I rode the bike. It's on us folks, either we take it upon ourselves to do it right, or we'll get forced to do it right. My $.02
Cheers [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif],
Red

The Mysterious Q! · « **Reply #36 on:** January 21, 2007, 02:09:30 PM »

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This story illustrates why I gave up on campgrounds. The walls of a tent provide 0 sound proofing. There's folks who stay out late and one's who get up early. Last time I camped out was in Sturgis a few years back. Guys rollin in at 3AM and other's rollin out at 5AM. AND, have you ever noticed how much louder it is when you're on the ground as the sound travels over the ground. So, I said enough and now always sleep in a hotel or private home or I stay home. With my hearing loss, a set of earplugs and I can sleep till my own internal clock says get up.

Cerdo · « **Reply #37 on:** January 25, 2007, 09:47:13 PM »

RedDevil hit the nail on the head, be nice when you have too, open it up when yyou can.

CVOwner · « **Reply #38 on:** February 02, 2007, 10:24:45 PM »

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Here's what's happening in Arizona.

Ceej · « **Reply #39 on:** February 06, 2007, 12:51:37 AM »

The engine braking of trucks is banned all over - its a common restriction in towns all over. Its the same as the biker thing, the "Billy Big Riggers" as we call them with the long nose Petes and 8" Dia straight pipes have brought it on themselves. There's no reason for it, and more than once its scared the crap out of me when their next to me going down a hill, but even more scary in a truck stop where it is utterly ridiculous. It will scare you - sounds like a 3" .50 cal automatic gun from my old Navy days. So now every lil city council votes to ban engine brakes despite their being saftey devices - especially in hilly areas. When I am loaded real heavy, 30-40 thousand lbs over legal I ignore the signs and hit the "Jake" or engine brakes for sure, saftey before politics. I run mufflers so its not that bad and I've never been questioned about it, if its not needed I turn them off. IMHO - Those guys with the straight pipes on trucks need to be heavily fined. Damn, I must be gettin old, and now I sound like a hypocrite as well since I have a 2-1 pipe with virtually no baffle on my bike...hmmm...oh well

Rhino · « **Reply #40 on:** February 26, 2007, 08:58:41 PM »

For those heading to Daytona for bike week, you may already know that the true Daytona Main Street area is not hopping like it used to. After Rossmeyer Harley decided he had enough, he moved a lot of the action outta Daytona town. One of the hot spots is north of Daytona, towards the next town of Ormond, north on US 1. They now call it Destination Daytona, but it's in unincorporated Ormond.

The reason I mention this is that the city of Daytona has not been as of late, the friendliest biker destination, as it appears farther north on US 1, where it is. On the radio, they have been touting the noise abatement ticketing that will be in full force in Daytona. Officers are being equipped with decibel meters, and for every bike violation, you will get smacked with a 75.00 dollar ticket. I think this is not going to be an ongoing thing, but they certainly made everyone that lives down here well aware of their strategy during bike week.

So to all my bretheren out there reading this, if you wrap open the throttle in Daytona, make sure there aint some cop around. Me personally, I am hanging north and south of that lovely city this year.

Rhino

hdhog1 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 02, 2007, 08:53:22 PM »

Hey Bros If any of you are making a list of towns to avoid add New Hope PA to your list. Its one of a dozen quaint little towns along the Delaware between NJ & PA.

Nice riding on both sides. Anyhow its a great gathering and waterhole town for area bikers. Of late, many of the shops have become more uptown. Seems the 4-5 dozen bikers that have been supporting the economy are not so welcome anymore.

During the summer traffic moves about 5 miles an hour in town. The local cops ride bicycles and carry decibel meters.

If you park you better keep your front wheel off the additional painted line near traffic. 75 bucks for either violation.

mr_magoo · « **Reply #42 on:** March 02, 2007, 09:28:01 PM »

:oops:looks like time to find another town.

ESJ JESTER · « **Reply #43 on:** March 02, 2007, 09:29:27 PM »

Heres the only sign i have from carefree az on my wedding day. Didnt look like a big enough town to even be in long enough to make noise.

DavidB · « **Reply #44 on:** March 03, 2007, 08:51:38 AM »

Quote from: IROAR on December 01, 2006, 08:00:08 AM

Here's what's happening in Arizona. We have a popular destination north of Phoenix called Cave Creek. Most of the bars and restaurants are located in that town. Many even cater to the biker crowd. In order to get to Cave Creek from Phoenix you must go through another town called Carefree. Carefree has posted discriminatory signs that have enraged the biker community. Attached is a picture of the signs posted in Carefree, Az which shows a picture of a motorcycle. Cave Creek has refused to post the signs. The current program involves educating the bikers on how much noise is produced by a given bike and in essence the benefit of lugging your engine in the interest of keeping the noise down. The local mounties will let you test your bike for decibel output at differing rpm so you will know when you exceed 80. About 2 years ago they busted a group of riders. The local judge convicted the group but it was later dismissed because of their failure to prove individual violations.

Doesn`t look like those old guys putting up the sign could hear themselves fart.

woody · « **Reply #45 on:** March 10, 2007, 10:42:18 PM »

Quote from: hdhog1 on March 02, 2007, 08:53:22 PM

Hey Bros If any of you are making a list of towns to avoid add New Hope PA to your list. Its one of a dozen quaint little towns along the Delaware between NJ & PA.

Nice riding on both sides. Anyhow its a great gathering and waterhole town for area bikers. Of late, many of the shops have become more uptown. Seems the 4-5 dozen bikers that have been supporting the economy are not so welcome anymore.

During the summer traffic moves about 5 miles an hour in town. The local cops ride bicycles and carry decibel meters.

If you park you better keep your front wheel off the additional painted line near traffic. 75 bucks for either violation.

I've even heard that they ticket when more than one bike occupies a parking spot with a meter. But on a scorcher of a day, there's no better riding than riding in the shade of the cliffs along the river.

pcarr1701 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 15, 2007, 12:05:11 PM »

The trouble with Decibel Meters is that they can be off as much as 10-20%, depending on the latest calibration. How the heck can they prove it was my scoot making all the noise, and not the extraneous noises from off the street helping to add to the noise level.

I just won't spend any money there if I'm not wanted. It would be curious to find out if they are going to ticket the local rock/punk/funk groundpounding cagers out there as well? Probably not, since then their mommies and daddies would have to pay the fine, and we all know that those are the people that elect the local idiot villager politicians.

Now I've been a politician in a small town, but we never even came close to this level of inanity in the 7 years that I served the community.

Don't ride through (if at all possible) and don't stop to spend money, that's my opinion, for what its worth.

Tros · « **Reply #47 on:** March 19, 2007, 12:00:22 PM »

I don't mind most loud exhaust vehicles (fart can 4 cylinders being the exception) passing through on the main street behind my house because they're passing through and the sound comes goes quickly. Those annoying basshead cars are another matter. You can hear them for a longer distance comming & going and they rattle the windows of the house, cause the mirrors in the car to vibrate when your next to them in traffic.

I have often thought those (fictional) sonic weapons used in the movie Dune would be the ideal countermeasure, or perhaps, closer to reality, a large scale noise cancelling system built along streets......boom...boom...nothing....nothing....nothing....nothing.....nothing....boom....boom.

I'll see how much louder my stock mufflers get in the comming months before I think about changing them (I like the way they look). That FI high idle at start up is what will wake up the neighbors with loud pipes. That's one reason I never changed the pipes on the metric bike. All mufflers get louder with time.

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