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CVO Technical => Twin Cam => Topic started by: harris48cars on May 26, 2010, 10:31:54 PM
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If not I may be the first. If anyone has, what did you do? I have an 08 Street Glide with a 103 Big Bore kit with Andrews 54 H cams and head porting by Bean. The performance is outstanding with 96 HP and 119 Tq. I called Bean today to ask his advice on cams for my SE Fat Bob as he helped me with my selection on the SG. He was tied up so I'll call again tomorrow. In the mean time does anyone have a cam they like for the 110 engine? Don't know if the Andrews 54H would work as well with the 110 as it has with the 103. Opinions?
Gary
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Same cam again! The Andrews 54 is a great cam in the 110 also. Makes the torque where you need it on the street.
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I believe Steve at Fullsac has mentioned that the Andrews 54 is his favourite as well.
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Here's a link to the Fueling 574. Cams, tuner and Fullsac baffles........breaks the 100 ft. lbs. tq. at 2700 rpm (no head work)......talk about usable power on the street! http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=44545.0
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If not I may be the first. If anyone has, what did you do? I have an 08 Street Glide with a 103 Big Bore kit with Andrews 54 H cams and head porting by Bean. The performance is outstanding with 96 HP and 119 Tq. I called Bean today to ask his advice on cams for my SE Fat Bob as he helped me with my selection on the SG. He was tied up so I'll call again tomorrow. In the mean time does anyone have a cam they like for the 110 engine? Don't know if the Andrews 54H would work as well with the 110 as it has with the 103. Opinions?
Gary
I have Andrews 54's and head work, 110 horse and 119 torque
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I have Andrews 54's and head work, 110 horse and 119 torque
Scotty, that's impressive...I wasn't considering the cams for my SEUC, but you've got me wondering. What does all this do to the warranty?
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Scotty, that's impressive...I wasn't considering the cams for my SEUC, but you've got me wondering. What does all this do to the warranty?
The powertrain portion of the warranty goes "poof" the instant you do this, as does the emission system warranty. Folks who find warranty coverage to be of prime importance need to leave the internals of their engines alone. The only internal mods that don't instantly void the warranty are those street legal kits sold by H-D, like the 103 or 110 street legal kits for the TC96 engines.
Jerry
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The powertrain portion of the warranty goes "poof" the instant you do this, as does the emission system warranty. Folks who find warranty coverage to be of prime importance need to leave the internals of their engines alone. The only internal mods that don't instantly void the warranty are those street legal kits sold by H-D, like the 103 or 110 street legal kits for the TC96 engines.
Jerry
That's pretty much what I expected. I'm sure that's sound advise. It's not so much that the warranty is of prime importance to me as the fact that I'm helpless when it comes to wrenching on motorcycles. I would dearly love to know more and be able to work on my own...for now, I'm at the mercy of my local MOCO shop so warranty does have some value to me. Maybe I'll try the cams when the warranty runs out... :2vrolijk_21:
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I have Andrews 54's and head work, 110 horse and 119 torque
You forgot to mention you have a damn nice looking bike. I love that color scheme. I could have bought that bike (one like it I mean) last year but with two bikes in the garage already it wasn't to be.
Gary
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The biggest change I noticed after a cam upgrade to my 110 engine was the increased exhaust noise. I also went to true duals at the same time but the real db increase came from the cams. I would do the upgrade again for the increased performance I wanted.
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I noticed my exhaust got louder after I started to pull the trailer. Thunder Header bouncing off the front of the trailer. :huepfenlol2:
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You forgot to mention you have a damn nice looking bike. I love that color scheme. I could have bought that bike (one like it I mean) last year but with two bikes in the garage already it wasn't to be.
Gary
Thanks for the positive comment Gary. Now if it would quit raining here in the
Great Northwest I could get a little riding in. I have only put about 800 miles on it since
Nov. when we did the engine. Headed to Reno on June 19th so that should be fun.
Scotty in Seattle
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The powertrain portion of the warranty goes "poof" the instant you do this, as does the emission system warranty. Folks who find warranty coverage to be of prime importance need to leave the internals of their engines alone. The only internal mods that don't instantly void the warranty are those street legal kits sold by H-D, like the 103 or 110 street legal kits for the TC96 engines.
Jerry
Not necessarily Jerry. It depends on the dealership. The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act basically says that the failure has to be directly related in order for them to void the warranty. If a dealership is following the letter of intent in the warranty act, then they have to be able to show that the modification was/is the reason for the failure. I've had a number of motor (stator, cam chain tensioners, etc.) issues taken care of on warranty without the mods to the motor ever becoming an issue.....not even a discussion about it. They even replaced my tranny mainshaft under extended warranty on a bike that had 66k miles and I was third owner pulling a Bushtec. :2vrolijk_21:
Simple engine mods (cams, A/C, tuner, exhaust) just don't seem to be much of an issue with the dealerships here in Nor Cal. You start boring, doing head work to the max, bumping compression way up, etc. that's when it starts becoming an issue out here. :nixweiss:
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Here is one with Woods TW5-6 and my heads. This is conservative compression 9.8/1 build with stock headpipes and fullsack pipes. This is owner tuned and the guy is very sharp. A FatCat and Big Bore baffle would pick up another 5+hp but the low end would take a hit for that. 114/123 SAE now. Owner reports more quiet than stock.
Dyno before heads and cam is shown too
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Not a 110", but we recently recieved info on a 106" ,and a 107" that we set up for our clients.
The 106" showed 121/121, and the 107" was 125/128.
Scott
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I went with Bob Woods TW-7H, SE Roller Rockers, SE 58mm throtle body with matching injectors, and V&H true duals with Monster Rounds highout put mufflers and to make it all work is TTS auto tune.....dyno 117hp/121tq. No head work.......stock piston's. Runs great and pull trailer great. Average 45 mpg w/o trailer.
Did I mention that it runs good ??? :2vrolijk_21:
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CVOryan,
I am glad you are happy with the way your bike runs / tows and as long as you are happy its all good and thats the only thing that really matters, but I call foul on the 117 hp portion of it. Had you said 115 /105 or somewhere in that area yep its being done all the time, but not 117 hp. It aint gonna happen on an honest dyno though. Most guys didnt see near 115-120 HP without going to headwork, and more compression. These 110 bikes were approx 105/110 tq and 84-90 hp depending on the day / dyno and tuner.
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So you would believe 115hp but not 117......that's only 2 hp difference. I had it run 3 times on the same dyno....all 3 times it got close to the same numbers.
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CVOryan,
Sorry I was not saying 115 horsepower I was saying 115 torque .. 105 horsepower. I think you are being mislead by your tuner. Again it doesnt matter if your happy, but people might look at your combination and say wow that is the cheapest 22-30 hp i can gain out there and I believe having done these mods its an inflated number. I think if you do a good search of the site you will see that your numbers are about again approx 10 to 12 higher maybe more than most everyone else that has done any combination excluding headwork, decking, or spin dropping of the heads or higher compression pistons.
Check out these threads as well.
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=46582.0 (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=46582.0)
another
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=42650.msg676858#msg676858 (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=42650.msg676858#msg676858)