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Custom Vehicle Discussions => Screamin' Eagle® Road Glide® => Topic started by: Twolanerider on December 21, 2008, 07:18:24 PM
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Finished the winter upgrade projects on the red SERG a few weeks ago. Chatting with a site member buddy on the phone earlier and when winter bike projects came up I got to be all puffed and happy proclaiming my tasks already done. Then my bubble got burst with a "where's the pictures?" request.
It's tough to be reminded that you've not been narcissistic enough to parade your upgrades. So, here goes. I think I've caught it all. Several pics before it's all done. If I think of anything not shown will be a show-off more later.
A few months back lucked on to a $900 eBay score for a brand new in the sealed box SE six speed gear set. Part of the winter project was the installation. This was a good thing as the big hole in the bike was beginning to worry me.
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Also didn't like the old rubber vent line.
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New transmission guts, new braided line and new "Diamondback" clutch cable all are just so much better.
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Also never liked the U-Turn style rubber transmission vent hose. Little stubby hose with a chrome vented cap that's been in a drawer here for who knows how long is another little improvement.
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Better view of the new clutch cable. Nicely polished end fittings rather than the old normal ugly stock pieces.
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The Diamondback cable is also a signficant improvement over the original where the adjustment bits are concerned. No more rubber boot. Billet housing that slides over the adjusting hardware. This is all you see now.
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Automatic chain adjuster while it was all apart.
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Accel used to make chrome voltage regulators for these old bikes. Not been current production for several years now apparently. Harley only offered chrome regulator covers if memory serves me correctly.
Found one of the old Accel regulators in stock at Eastern Performance a few months ago. Half off to clear out the old inventory :2vrolijk_21: . May be the last one in the country.
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And it works too!
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Purely as a preventative repair (and because I just wanted to) the primary winter chore was always to be installation of gear drive cams to lose the tensioners. So Feuling pump and plate and Dave Mackie 510 cams.
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Pretty :2vrolijk_21: . New lifters are in there somewhere too. At least I hope I didn't leave them out. Pushrods were the Zippers adjustables that were also left overs from the SEEG. They were left over from that job because... well.... I lost the damn things and couldn't find them during reassembly. So this was a good place to use them up. They're not "quick install" type adjustables. But they are good heavy pushrods.
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This the OE inner. It was the worst but as can seen here wasn't at all bad yet. Now will never have to worry about it again though.
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OE oil pump looked surprisingly good for 20-some K miles too. Barely even the normal scoring from regular service.
In fact all the internals were very good. .0005 and .001 runout on the two ends of the crank. All in all a nice looking motor.
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Had these Doherty breathers left over from the SEEG. They're a test use here. They didn't help at all in that motor. If their's no puking here they'll stay. If I start seeing a little puking will change back to the stock vents.
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Also a hand me down from the SEEG is the billet ball milled rocker boxes. I like these a lot. Completed the set with the lifter blocks and matching pushrod tubes. In combination this is to me a large improvement over the more plain stock pieces.
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Also added a couple hand fulls of chrome hardware where things were apart. Might as well.... Who cares if you can't see this and some of the other bits once the tank is back on :huepfenlol2: .
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Part of the cam job was also a new throttle body. Original on the right and on the left a Marelli throttle body that's gone through BC Gerolamy's upgrade. Cleaned up in a few areas and taken out to a whopping 42mm from the stock 38mm. There's not a lot of Marelli options out there anymore. The few there are are very expensive.
Gerolamy does this for about $300. Very quick turn around as well as they have units prepared and ready and ship on receipt/inspection of your core. Should anyone with an old Marelli bike be so inclined and need to borrow a core to save a little time let me know. I've got a couple of stock Marelli throttle bodies. One could be used as a loaner if need be to save some time.
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Tucked under that tank is the new throttle body with all the fuel injection parts and sensors transplanted. A bunch of new o-rings to replace all the old ones but that's it for other TB parts. New red SE plug wires to replace the 10 year old originals also. Also a pair of new fuel lines. 10 years old so why not?
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Head bolt bridges and fuel lines cover to finish things off a bit more.
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Notice here what looks like a chrome washer up against the head. It's an .080" spacer to account for differences in the heads. Dave Mackie was initially going to touch up the stock heads for me. Nothing fancy. Not wanting to do a lot. Biggest thing was improve a hot spot around the exhaust port that's not ideal to begin with.
When speaking with him about the job, however, I mentioned that I had a pair of newer heads from a 96" motor. "Use them" was his immediate response. I wasn't looking for huge perfomance gains here. The man was honest enough to talk himself out of some extra work saying these would be fine for my purposes. All I did was go down to a buddy's local machine shop one evening and give them a fresh valve job.
The new heads, however, are "shorter" at the boss for the breather mount than the older heads. That's why the spacer is there. Necessary to fit the breather.
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Hawg Wired's little plug and play amp and their component speaker set. The garage door opener is noticable in there also. But that was done right after the bike came home last February or March. Sometime later still have one of the handlebar mounted HD MP3 players to mount also.
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Oil temp gauge.
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And last but not least a new right side saddlebag lid. The original was pretty dinged up when I got the bike. Couple of nasty scratches if you looked close. This was another eBay score for just under a hundred bucks plus the shipping. Installed this a little earlier than most of the other bits. But what the hell, still showing off parts.
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The new throttle body set up without issue. TP sensor on the old Marelli bikes is easy to calibrate with a digital meter. Aside from that the only other TB setup required is setting the mixture screws. Even without having been tuned yet for the new work it still ran out decently in the only short run its been on (crappy roads lately).
Engine sounds nice too. Gears are quiet. Whole thing now has that solid lifter sound to it that you get from gear drives. I like that sound ::) .
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That's all...
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Outstanding, Don... And such nice photography (and commentary), too!! :2vrolijk_21:
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Don,
Looks good, great job. :bigok:
You should have diamond cut and done some powdercoat while it was apart to really set it off. ;) ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Don,
Looks good, great job. :bigok:
You should have diamond cut and done some powdercoat while it was apart to really set it off. ;) ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
hehe... You're tough, Gary... Why didn't you suggest some Zippers products, too! :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
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hehe... You're tough, Gary... Why didn't you suggest some Zippers products, too! :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
Oh He!! No!!! A man must know his limits. :P :D ;D :D ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Great pics, and cool play-by-play Don! Should wake her up and be mighty snappy now! Good luck man! :2vrolijk_21:
Hoist! 8)
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What about the inner fairing?
:nixweiss:
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That Screamer is a beautiful machine, Twolane. I had a blue ’01 FLTRSEI2; although the 2000 red color scheme has always been my favorite. Milwaukee did a beautiful job with the various shades of red. :2vrolijk_21:
I have never been a big fan of the early style “over the top” vent manifold. I believe that oil will pool in the banjo fitting area of the front head, creating pressure issues that may result in oil carryover to the air cleaner. If anyone makes a late style “direct vent” back plate for the M/M, I would recommend that you look at that. Otherwise you might consider a venting method that prevents the pooling of oil in the vent.
It looks like there may be a bit if a kink in the oil reservoir vent, between the camchest and the oil reservoir. I strongly recommend that you consider converting to the ’02 – ’06 reservoir vent. It is much less sensitive to higher oil levels in the reservoir, and it looks good in chrome. The link below speaks directly to the vent issues experienced with the early Twin Cam.
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=27625.msg499892#msg499892
djkak
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Great thread Don! Glad to see someone else is moding up a storm over the winter months. Nobody can beat Hoist's 85WG project but this is deeper than anything I have thought of doing (although the 6 speed still calls my name). It would appear you did much of the work yourself. If so, I am mightily impressed! Would never think of doing any motor work, just don't have the skills. I have to leave that to the dealer.
Keep us posted on how it all works out on the road.
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Don, great job on the mods. Very clean installs. When you get ready
to sell that one, I will be a buyer on it.
Mark
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Don,
Looks good, great job. :bigok:
You should have diamond cut and done some powdercoat while it was apart to really set it off. ;) ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Of course the thought crossed my mind Gary. But it wasn't even a strong urge. It would've meant a lot more down time waiting for parts to go to powder coaters and machinists. It would've been cosmetic only as I've no desire to make this any more than it will be with the cams. And I really didn't have a strong urge to give those same vendors one more opportunity to find something to screw up.
Pretty happy with the trim she's in now. Once Golden is done on the dyno it should run sweet too. I'm quite content calling it good right there.
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Outstanding, Don... And such nice photography (and commentary), too!! :2vrolijk_21:
Thanks Scott. It did finish out nicely. Even forgot some details. Also put on some of those nice Motion Pro cable clamps on both frame tubes for the clutch cable and up top for the brake line. Not sure if the clutch cable will need one yet. Need to have the opportunity to run it around more to find out. Also finally made up the quick disconnect crossover line and put on some chrome front wheel spacers.
Most of it came apart one evening. Then most of it went back together over a nice slow poor weather weekend. Like yours was. Just fun tinkering in the garage.
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Of course the thought crossed my mind Gary. But it wasn't even a strong urge. It would've meant a lot more down time waiting for parts to go to powder coaters and machinists. It would've been cosmetic only as I've no desire to make this any more than it will be with the cams. And I really didn't have a strong urge to give those same vendors one more opportunity to find something to screw up.
Pretty happy with the trim she's in now. Once Golden is done on the dyno it should be run sweet too. I'm quite content calling it good right there.
I understand that. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Great pics, and cool play-by-play Don! Should wake her up and be mighty snappy now! Good luck man! :2vrolijk_21:
Hoist! 8)
Thanks Howie. And I'm willing to be optimistic that it will do what I'm hoping for. Had a couple of long conversations with Mackie before ordering the cams. Not after anything but an earlier torque curve and the slight improvements across the board the TB and cams will also provide.
The cams are quite similar to some Woods pieces that Jim recommended also. Following closely on Jim's recommendations also adds to the confidence.
Looking forward to getting it over to Golden's sometime soon. 10 degrees right now with a low overnight headed to around zero. So may not ride to John's in the morning... :P But will get it taken care pretty soon.
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What about the inner fairing?
:nixweiss:
That's the rest of the winter project Chip. The painter doesn't want the inner until mid January. If he's not ready to touch it until then I don't want it just setting around for someone to mess with and accidentally screw up. So it's still up in the attic until they say they're ready.
I don't care when they do it. It's another Saturday afternoon chore whenever it comes back. As long as it's done by spring I'm a happy camper.
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That Screamer is a beautiful machine, Twolane. I had a blue ’01 FLTRSEI2; although the 2000 red color scheme has always been my favorite. Milwaukee did a beautiful job with the various shades of red. :2vrolijk_21:
I have never been a big fan of the early style “over the top” vent manifold. I believe that oil will pool in the banjo fitting area of the front head, creating pressure issues that may result in oil carryover to the air cleaner. If anyone makes a late style “direct vent” back plate for the M/M, I would recommend that you look at that. Otherwise you might consider a venting method that prevents the pooling of oil in the vent.
It looks like there may be a bit if a kink in the oil reservoir vent, between the camchest and the oil reservoir. I strongly recommend that you consider converting to the ’02 – ’06 reservoir vent. It is much less sensitive to higher oil levels in the reservoir, and it looks good in chrome. The link below speaks directly to the vent issues experienced with the early Twin Cam.
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=27625.msg499892#msg499892
djkak
Thanks DJ. There is a one piece backplate for the M&M bikes. Got one on order. It's on backorder though and I wasn't letting that keep me buttoning it up for now.
Another of the pieces that went on while the side of the tranny was off was a chrome oil fill. All those have the hole for the later model vent line. It's just plugged off when used on the earlier bikes.
The kink that seems seen in the photo isn't the line itself but a slightly unusual look from the braiding surrounding the actual line. I'd noticed that also and looked at it closely. Was unaware of specific venting issues with the old routing though. Knew it likely was changed for a reason just didn't know what it was. With the hole in the oil spout it's a small thing to take out the plug and use the chrome line. Thanks for the heads up.
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That's the rest of the winter project Chip. The painter doesn't want the inner until mid January. If he's not ready to touch it until then I don't it just setting around for someone to mess with and accidentally screw up. So it's still up in the attic until they say they're ready.
I don't care when they do it. It's another Saturday afternoon chore whenever it comes back. As long as it's done by spring I'm a happy camper.
Cool!
As you know, it's a world of difference.
When gonna get the bike to John to do his magic?
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Great thread Don! Glad to see someone else is moding up a storm over the winter months. Nobody can beat Hoist's 85WG project but this is deeper than anything I have thought of doing (although the 6 speed still calls my name). It would appear you did much of the work yourself. If so, I am mightily impressed! Would never think of doing any motor work, just don't have the skills. I have to leave that to the dealer.
Keep us posted on how it all works out on the road.
It was a nice project for several cold days. And it was all done here. Me, the dog occasionally wandering out and the radio in the garage. Not a bad way to spend some time. Fortunately have the tools at hand for the tranny and any top end engine work. And a good friend lets me use his machine shop during the evenings for head work.
I envy you a dealer you'd trust to tie in to a bike very heavily. The stress would kill me if I had to turn it over.
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Don, great job on the mods. Very clean installs. When you get ready
to sell that one, I will be a buyer on it.
Mark
Thanks Mark. I hope I don't (sell it). It's been a tremendous amount of fun so far. And it is a really nice ride out on the open road. An all day cruiser if ever there was one. Hopefully the efforts here will only make it more so.
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It was a nice project for several cold days. And it was all done here. Me, the dog occasionally wandering out and the radio in the garage. Not a bad way to spend some time. Fortunately have the tools at hand for the tranny and any top end engine work. And a good friend lets me use his machine shop during the evenings for head work.
I envy you a dealer you'd trust to tie in to a bike very heavily. The stress would kill me if I had to turn it over.
I hear that! Relaxation at its best! ;) :2vrolijk_21:
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Cool!
As you know, it's a world of difference.
When gonna get the bike to John to do his magic?
The weather here has been a little poor Chip so I'd not even bugged John yet. It's not as if I was going to be out on it anyway. Sent him an email this afternoon asking when he'd have time to do it though. So hopefully it'll be right away.
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I hear that! Relaxation at its best! ;) :2vrolijk_21:
Amen Scott. Not much better for a solo enterprise. No hurries. Wipe off whatever you see. Stand back and look at things and just grin. Then do a little more assembly. Doesn't get much better.
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Don, great job on the mods. Very clean installs. When you get ready
to sell that one, I will be a buyer on it.
Mark
Just remembered the "other one." Do you know if Mike ever got the cams done to his that he asked about awhile back?
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Just remembered the "other one." Do you know if Mike ever got the cams done to his that he asked about awhile back?
The last I heard he was working on his nana and was waiting on the
serg till after the nana. He has so many bikes now I can't keep track
of which one he is working on. He just bought a lightly laid over 2006
yellow RG that he is thinking about making into a trike for ginger. I think
he has six bikes now, three of which are CVO bikes.
I know he will get to the SERG. It is just a matter of time.
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The last I heard he was working on his nana and was waiting on the
serg till after the nana. He has so many bikes now I can't keep track
of which one he is working on. He just bought a lightly laid over 2006
yellow RG that he is thinking about making into a trike for ginger. I think
he has six bikes now, three of which are CVO bikes.
I know he will get to the SERG. It is just a matter of time.
Six? Holy mother of Harley. I barely keep parts straight with two.
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Please post the numbers that you get from your trip to Mr. Golden's
Dyno. It should be putting out numbers close to mine now, maybe
even more than mine. Would like to know what you get.
Mark
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Please post the numbers that you get from your trip to Mr. Golden's
Dyno. It should be putting out numbers close to mine now, maybe
even more than mine. Would like to know what you get.
Mark
Will do Mark. It was in the mid to high 90s on both sides with just the A/C and exhaust. But it came in later than I cared for. Any thing around the same overall and coming in earlier I'm happy. I expect just a bit more. But it'll all be gravy so long as I've moved the torque curve in earlier.
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Six? Holy mother of Harley. I barely keep parts straight with two.
He ALWAYS has a project going with at least one of his bikes. I think
thats what he enjoys most about them. Well maybe he likes riding
them better, but not by much.
Mark
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He ALWAYS has a project going with at least one of his bikes. I think
thats what he enjoys most about them. Well maybe he likes riding
them better, but not by much.
Mark
I really don't mind tinkering with them. Especially when it's by choice rather than necessity. Just the regular maintenance requirements from six would push me over the edge though.
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Twolane,
I should have the motor upgrades completed by this weekend on the glide. I just have five bikes, my wife two trikes and sometimes it can be a chore keeping up with them all.
mikey
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Nice write up and pictorial as usual on your SERG.. You always do your homework and got a lot of mod's done at ONE time. Hope the other red bike isn't too jealous of all the attention. :2vrolijk_21:
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Twolane,
I should have the motor upgrades completed by this weekend on the glide.
mikey
That's good news. If opportunity allows be sure and share how it turns out.
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Nice write up and pictorial as usual on your SERG.. You always do your homework and got a lot of mod's done at ONE time. Hope the other red bike isn't too jealous of all the attention. :2vrolijk_21:
The multiple chores at once sometimes is just lazy kicking in Bob. So many things require the same disassembly to accomplish. Pipes off for either the cams or the transmission work as an example. I'd rather wait awhile and collect everything to do it all at once rather than disassemble the same crap two or three times.
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Don,
Most of worry about "steatlth" chrome, now I see you have "stealth" red too! john
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That's good news. If opportunity allows be sure and share how it turns out.
I will............. I think I'll be visting John Golden.
Mikey
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really enjoyed seeing all that hard work you put in. great pics as well that made it even more interesting... great work! having to wait for nice weather can't be fun. nice in fla this time of the year.. :) :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
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Don,
Most of worry about "steatlth" chrome, now I see you have "stealth" red too! john
I hadn't thought about that John but you're right. That's cool. Stealth red in both bikes too :cherry: !
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I will............. I think I'll be visting John Golden.
Mikey
If you do come up to see John be sure and give me a heads up.
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really enjoyed seeing all that hard work you put in. great pics as well that made it even more interesting... great work! having to wait for nice weather can't be fun. nice in fla this time of the year.. :) :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Thanks very much. If the rains stay away I'll get to ride a bit tomorrow. Ice and cold and zero degree F a few days ago. 70 on Friday. Gotta love it.
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2ln, i envy your writing skills. :drink:
and paying attention to detail on that bike shows. :2vrolijk_21:
sweet
TN
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2ln, i envy your writing skills. :drink:
and paying attention to detail on that bike shows. :2vrolijk_21:
sweet
TN
Thank you sir. Truth be told the bits added and time spent on the SERG had a twofold benefit. Since I brought it home last February or March it had still always been "the other bike." I enjoyed it. A lot. I owned if of course. But I hadn't really made it mine yet. Now it's mine. No longer the stepchild in the garage. They need not just time in the saddle but their dirt and grime under your nails and in your skin before you really belong to each other.
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Good news. Just got the call from himself. Bike goes to Rolling Thunder on Monday at 1:00PM.
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I am a happy camper right now. A few minutes after getting the call from The Dyno God I stopped what I was doing and took advantage of a nearly 70 degree day for an hour and a half. Who cares if there were 30 mph winds gusting to 50, clouds so low they'd wash the top of your helmet and humidity so high that soup was on order atmospherically. It was a good day to really get a feel for the changes.
Weather and road conditions had only allowed a couple of short hops before. Enough to know there was nothing catastrophically wrong and that the bike was rideable. But just surface streets and 10-12 miles of general putting around.
Not today.
A quick 10 miles on immediately adjacent rural rides then a stop to eyeball everything once more. No runs, drips or errors anywhere. Then another 70 miles running it out.
Tranny works sooooo smooth. The new shift drum with the new gear kit losing the continual fall off after hitting first makes the two bikes the same so that's a convenient though unforeseen change. It finds neutral like it was actually intended to be easy to do so! And the extra gear, even for where the torque curve is now pre-tuned, is going to match up nicely. The extra gear for highway speeds is going to great. 3200+ at just under 75 was ok. But it's going to be very nice doing that hour after hour after hour now at 2750-2800 instead. Much more comfortable ride.
Engine sounds and feels fine. Nice quiet valve train. A very nice but quiet normal gear drive noise. To my ears that's an improvement also. And even pre-tune it runs well. Couple of slightly uneven spots that will go away with the tune. But all told the bike and I are very happy.
It's cooled enough from its run now I'm going to step back out and drain the service fluids. Once refilled she'll be ready for next few thousand miles.
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Great ride report Don. I still want that bike!
JW
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Great ride report Don. I still want that bike!
JW
Gary promised to use a fire hose to help me protect it from marauders! :huepfenlol2:
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Gary promised to use a fire hose to help me protect it from marauders! :huepfenlol2:
Huh... what?? :innocent:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Nice workmanship and the same for the posting. That makes me feel embarrassed that I haven't touched my bike Since October!
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Nice workmanship and the same for the posting. That makes me feel embarrassed that I haven't touched my bike Since October!
They don't know time they just know attention. And yours has had plenty :2vrolijk_21: .
Now that I've got an appointment scheduled can't wait until Monday afternoon to get it tuned. Will be nice to have it actually done and am curious to find out just how good she'll feel when The Dyno God is finished.
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But all told the bike and I are very happy.
You always have a way of costing me money!
:2vrolijk_21:
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Sounds like it's all good Don. Congratulations. Now just enjoy it. :2vrolijk_21:
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You always have a way of costing me money!
:2vrolijk_21:
Was going to give you a call this weekend but your post here beat me to it. We'd talked before about the gearing in these bikes screaming for a six speed. Well my good man, we were right. Such a few RPM made an incredible difference in the saddle on the highway. Nice nice change. Whenever you get that gear set installed the bike will say "thank you sir may I have another upgrade?"
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Was going to give you a call this weekend but your post here beat me to it. We'd talked before about the gearing in these bikes screaming for a six speed. Well my good man, we were right. Such a few RPM made an incredible difference in the saddle on the highway. Nice nice change. Whenever you get that gear set installed the bike will say "thank you sir may I have another upgrade?"
This is a conversation that I have had with many pre 02 bike owners. Our 00-01 bikes were/are geared real low. They pull off of the line very well but suffer on the highway. I installed a DD6 several years ago and I stand by the phrase, "Money well spent". That few hundred RPM drop is well worth it when traveling at 75MPH plus. Next up for me is the gear drive cams as my motor is unmolested thus far. Your choice of cam was on par with what I had in mind for mine. :2vrolijk_21:
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This is a conversation that I have had with many pre 02 bike owners. Our 00-01 bikes were/are geared real low. They pull off of the line very well but suffer on the highway. I installed a DD6 several years ago and I stand by the phrase, "Money well spent". That few hundred RPM drop is well worth it when traveling at 75MPH plus. Next up for me is the gear drive cams as my motor is unmolested thus far. Your choice of cam was on par with what I had in mind for mine. :2vrolijk_21:
Couldn't agree more on the six speed. For the later bikes it's less important. I had no desire to do it to the 05 until the engine work was done and the torque curve was brought in so much earlier. Then it was fun addition that actually had some function as well.
The 00 SERG thought begged for it from the first time I rode the bike. Good down low from a start. So no desire to change sprockets. Just needed the overdrive gear for the road. So far it's just what I hoped and expected it would be. It'll be a more pleasant ride for the longer days and it just "feels" more in its happy place.
It's also going to match up very nicely for having highway crusing RPMs be within the torque curve for passing a vehicle when need be. I thought this cam/tranny/gear combination would fall in place that way. The numbers suggested it should. But it's always good to feel confirmation on the road.
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Come on Don, Tell us what your numbers are??????? :orange: :mango: :bananarock: :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno:
You did get the "Old Classic" Tuned today..
Mikey
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Come on Don, Tell us what your numbers are??????? :orange: :mango: :bananarock: :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno:
You did get the "Old Classic" Tuned today..
Mikey
Just got home. It was a beautiful day today. Sweatshirt weather on the bike until almost dusk. So I had to take the long way from the dyno shop.
The numbers aren't huge. But the motor wasn't touched up to be a huge motor. Torque is in strong and early though. That is what it was touched up for.
It responds to the throttle quickly and has good torque from 2500 completely through and beyond the pass-a-truck and cruising RPM range. I could care less about top numbers but some will want to know. So top numbers were 99.6 and 99.6. More importantly the curve layed out beautifully. Almost flat. One of the flattest torque curves a guy could hope for.
It feels very comfortable and is smooth going down the road. Not bad at all for a little 95" motor with just a pair of little 510 cams.
2500 3000 3500 4000 4500 5000 5500 6000
TQ 93 96 99 96 96 96 95 90
HP 49 56 63 72 82 92 99 96
Original stock first run for comparison
TQ 72 79 80 84 86 85 80 75
HP 38 42 49 60 68 76 82 81
In its prior trim the engine really caught its breath and started pulling its best about 3200. You could feel it take a breath and jump there. Now it's more torque at 2500 than it ever had stock; and it stays there. The bike simly never stops pulling. That's fun. Acceleration rate really does not diminish nor does it ever jump away from you. Simply solid from just below cruise RPM all the way to the top end.
Overall I'm very pleased with the reaction by the seat dyno. The bike feels great on the street or the highway. It's competent and comfortable in traffic and scoots around vehicles being passed on the two lanes without downshifting whether you're starting the pass at 65 or 85. It has become, to put it basically, a simple to ride very predictable engine with completely adequate highway pull from one gear below cruise all the way to the redline.
The combination was a simple one. Pair of little Mackie 510 cams, pair of stock late model heads off a 96" motor and a throttle body taken from 38 to 42mm by BC Gerolamy. I told Mackie I wanted a combination that came in early and pulled hard for awhile. Didn't care about anything else. That's exactly what I got. John Golden dialed it in beautifully. Worked with it for the best part of two hours before saying "we're there." It's now a very happy bike. Oh, and as usual for John the AFR line is even flatter than that torque curve described above.
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Good deal, Twolane! Glad it came out as you hoped - I never had a doubt that it would... :2vrolijk_21:
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Don glad it worked out... looks like the SERG had the dyno drum singing today. ;D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Cool beans Don!
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I remember reading somewhere that this was going to be a pure stock bike, hmmm...
Don, I hate stock bikes anyway so congrats on the mods as well as the play by play you are so famous for!
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I remember reading somewhere that this was going to be a pure stock bike, hmmm...
Don, I hate stock bikes anyway so congrats on the mods as well as the play by play you are so famous for!
Pete, by my standards this bike is stock.... :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
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Pete, by my standards this bike is stock.... :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
Good answer! :2vrolijk_21:
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Good deal, Twolane! Glad it came out as you hoped - I never had a doubt that it would... :2vrolijk_21:
Don glad it worked out... looks like the SERG had the dyno drum singing today. ;D
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Cool beans Don!
Thanks guys. Very much appreciated. I am quite content with how it finished out. Could've done a couple things differently for "bigger" numbers but only at the expense of the early numbers. Only other option was to jack everything up more than I really cared to on this one. And I just didn't want to mess with it.
Love the early and continuous torque curve. Makes the new six speed even more useful. Chip, it's a far better highway bike than it was to begin with. All you need it to be for road and highway use in just about any gear/RPM combination you're going to be in on those roads or highways.
So....... now this one is done too :bananarock: .
That didn't take nearly as long as the other bike :-\ .
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Good answer! :2vrolijk_21:
The "stock" did always have the caveat of losing the tensioners and stock early TC cam bearings. So I didn't cheat toooooo much :drink: .
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Thanks guys. Very much appreciated. I am quite content with how it finished out. Could've done a couple things differently for "bigger" numbers but only at the expense of the early numbers. Only other option was to jack everything up more than I really cared to on this one. And I just didn't want to mess with it.
Love the early and continuous torque curve. Makes the new six speed even more useful. Chip, it's a far better highway bike than it was to begin with. All you need it to be for road and highway use in just about any gear/RPM combination you're going to be in on those roads or highways.
So....... now this one is done too :bananarock: .
That didn't take nearly as long as the other bike :-\ .
What's next?
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I can only hope for those kind numbers, It sounds like you got just what you wanted, hope the old classic takes you many miles.
I just put Dave Mackie 510's in my old classic, now in a week or so off the Goldens we go.
mikey
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The "stock" did always have the caveat of losing the tensioners and stock early TC cam bearings. So I didn't cheat toooooo much :drink: .
Keep :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink:
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What's next?
Truth be told really nothing. And that's ok with me.
Guess that's not entirely true. For Christmas got a set of tour pak and saddlebag LED lights for it. They've yet to go on. Scored a king tour pak on eBay in the right color a couple weeks ago. Once the lock hardware and rack get here it all has to be assembled. And sometime I need to change the throttle/idle cables. The old throttle cable is fine as it is. But it's stretched a bit over the years and has zero adjustment left. But that's it.
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I can only hope for those kind numbers, It sounds like you got just what you wanted, hope the old classic takes you many miles.
I just put Dave Mackie 510's in my old classic, now in a week or so off the Goldens we go.
mikey
I'm very pleased with what those same cams did here. A highway bike needs to come in early and keep pulling. That's exactly what they did here.
I mentioned to John and Sandy today that you might be up sometime sooner rather than later so they kept tabs on my map to use as a baseline to get you started. I didn't remember if you'd changed throttle body or not also but either way it should save you quite a bit of time getting the bike dialed in.
Be sure and let me know when you're coming. We'll meet up someplace as you come in to town and I'll lead you to John's place.
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Truth be told really nothing. And that's ok with me.
But that's it.
Inner fairing?
How soon we forget!
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Inner fairing?
How soon we forget!
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Oh yeah, since the part isn't here I forgot about it... :oops:
And the little handlebar mounted MP3 player that will go on at the same time.
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Little more follow up on the old red SERG. Was a very nice day here today. Mid to upper 60s during most of the afternoon so took advantage of the day to put a more extended run on the SERG. To get a better feel for how it's running now.
All in all not bad at all. Chip and I had talked before how both of ours seemed to catch their breath and start pulling well about 3200. Now it does the same thing (but with even slightly more bite) at about 2600. That is a huge improvement in the highway rideability and fun factor of riding the bike. That this increased and early torque gains just a tiny bit from there and then stays in throughout almost the complete RPM range is nice.
The bike is no hot rod. It doesn't fly away from itself. The red bike would still run off and leave it from anywhere on its torque curve all the way to redline. But for what it is, what it was intended to be, and compared to how it was originally it is much much nicer to ride now. A lot more fun.
And all that for a simple little cam job and a tiny bit of top end work.
No signs of a drip or problem anywhere so far. Looks like a successful little task.
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Don, I remember when you lost those push rods, we wrote two pages as to where they might be! Man you got a lot done, making me jealous! I put on some new levers a derby cover and that's it so far this winter!!
Craig
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Don, I remember when you lost those push rods, we wrote two pages as to where they might be! Man you got a lot done, making me jealous! I put on some new levers a derby cover and that's it so far this winter!!
Craig
That was one of my dumbstick moments Craig. Looked all over for those pushrods. Even in places they never could have been. Finally bought something else. Don't remember how long later but it was awhile before I stumbled on to them. On the parts cart, right where they should have been. Under a rag to protect them (and hide them from me) and other parts that had been set down on top. :oops: :huepfenlol2:
All worked out though. That's just a set of pushrods I didn't have to buy for the cam installation on this bike. Gotta love it when a plan comes together... ::)
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Also a hand me down from the SEEG is the billet ball milled rocker boxes. I like these a lot. Completed the set with the lifter blocks and matching pushrod tubes. In combination this is to me a large improvement over the more plain stock pieces.
I installed these today - the HD ball milled lifter blocks and matching pushrod tubes... Well - at least I installed two of the matching pushrod tubes... The inner pushrod tubes (closest to the cylinders) do not clear the Axtell cylinders... :( The combination of the larger cylinders and larger pushrod tubes run out of clearance for each other...
So I installed the ball milled lifter blocks and outer ball mill matching tubes - and left the inner tubes the plain chrome tubes... The plain inner tubes are somewhat covered - so I think it looks o.k. Doesn't matter - I like it and think it is an improvement... I took a picture - but it sucks due to reflection - here it is anyway... :nixweiss:
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I installed these today - the HD ball milled lifter blocks and matching pushrod tubes... Well - at least I installed two of the matching pushrod tubes... The inner pushrod tubes (closest to the cylinders) do not clear the Axtell cylinders... :( The combination of the larger cylinders and larger pushrod tubes run out of clearance for each other...
So I installed the ball milled lifter blocks and outer ball mill matching tubes - and left the inner tubes the plain chrome tubes... The plain inner tubes are somewhat covered - so I think it looks o.k. Doesn't matter - I like it and think it is an improvement... I took a picture - but it sucks due to reflection - here it is anyway... :nixweiss:
Scott, I ran in to exactly the same thing during the work on the red bike. When the 107" reassembly was being done to the SEEG. I got mine on though. Just took a bit of insistence that they go.
Those billet pushrod tubes are very thick. Thick enough you can take them to the bench grinder and flatten the backside such that they can be used with the Axtell cylinders. Just looked and this was the only picture I found from that part of the reassembly. Might have been grumpy enough at that point that wasn't diligent in the documentation as pretty sure I remember the final work requiring a little more vertical length and a bit more depth at the base. When done though there was plent of meat left in the tube.
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It also was not necessary to bring the flat spot far enough around the circumference that it was noticable from the front. I took it down enough to to allow .030" feeler gauge to very easily slide between the two to allow expansion of the aluminum cylinders and pushrod tubes. Even with that much removal the material you need to work is narrow enough on the back that you don't see it from the front.
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Scott, I ran in to exactly the same thing during the work on the red bike. When the 107" reassembly was being done to the SEEG. I got mine on though. Just took a bit of insistence that they go.
Those billet pushrod tubes are very thick. Thick enough you can take them to the bench grinder and flatten the backside such that they can be used with the Axtell cylinders. Just looked and this was the only picture I found from that part of the reassembly. Might have been grumpy enough at that point that wasn't diligent in the documentation as pretty sure I remember the final work requiring a little more vertical length and a bit more depth at the base. When done though there was plent of meat left in the tube.
I thought of trying that, Don... They were close to fitting - but just not close enough... Now that I see you were able to grind enough clearance, I may have to give it a try... Thanks for the heads up! :2vrolijk_21:
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I thought of trying that, Don... They were close to fitting - but just not close enough... Now that I see you were able to grind enough clearance, I may have to give it a try... Thanks for the heads up! :2vrolijk_21:
They will go on Scott. And do so without negatively impacting the look from front while still leaving adequate clearance between the cylinder and tubes.
I remember vividly the evening I stumbled in to the same thing. Had one of those "What the phuk?" moments of lack of clarity. A second look makes it obvious what the deal is though. Both parts are fatter...
It's just one of those "no one's fault" things you fight through when parts from several sources are all brought together. No one can match against everything. So if we want to use them we make them work. If memory serves me correctly I spent an extra hour that night and seven or eight trips back and forth to the bench grinder getting them where I wanted them.
Didn't want to take off too much of course. So was grinding and looking and grinding and looking. When the base cleared still had to walk the flat spot up a little higher to get good clearance from top to bottom. Ended up working from about the mid point of the tube's length to just short of the base. No sealing surfaces are even close to impacted and there is still plenty of meat left in the tube. Once the first one was just right the second one took another ten minutes.
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They will go on Scott. And do so without negatively impacting the look from front while still leaving adequate clearance between the cylinder and tubes.
I remember vividly the evening I stumbled in to the same thing. Had one of those "What the phuk?" moments of lack of clarity. A second look makes it obvious what the deal is though. Both parts are fatter...
It's just one of those "no one's fault" things you fight through when parts from several sources are all brought together. No one can match against everything. So if we want to use them we make them work. If memory serves me correctly I spent an extra hour that night and seven or eight trips back and forth to the bench grinder getting them where I wanted them.
Didn't want to take off too much of course. So was grinding and looking and grinding and looking. When the base cleared still had to walk the flat spot up a little higher to get good clearance from top to bottom. Ended up working from about the mid point of the tube's length to just short of the base. No sealing surfaces are even close to impacted and there is still plenty of meat left in the tube. Once the first one was just right the second one took another ten minutes.
They are a great addition... The tubes and especially the lifter blocks. The stock lifter blocks are pretty fugly!
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(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31422.0;attach=98297;image)
Just sat and looked at that photo for a moment Scott. Was surprised by how much don't notice the difference. Knowing the difference is there you obviously recognize it. But it's not glaring. The different heights of the spring caps in the center is mitigated by the angle of the tubes. The front tubes hide the lack of ball mill in the rear tubes. The upper tube on the old one looks a bit different. But if you'd not been told they were there most folks would likely never notice the difference or realize it wasn't supposed to be that way. Maybe what you've really got going for you is just a pair of outer tubes :nixweiss: ?
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They are a great addition... The tubes and especially the lifter blocks. The stock lifter blocks are pretty fugly!
I agree that the lifter blocks are the most eye catching part of the pair. With the TP boxes the pushrod tubes don't have to carry the visual continuity that they need to wth the HD ball milled rocker boxes. It looks good as it sets there. All buttoned up and running I'd think twice about tearing it down again just to make the change. Especially with the extra effort required managing the pushrods because of those TP rocker assemblies.
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(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31422.0;attach=98297;image)
Just sat and looked at that photo for a moment Scott. Was surprised by how much don't notice the difference. Knowing the difference is there you obviously recognize it. But it's not glaring. The different heights of the spring caps in the center is mitigated by the angle of the tubes. The front tubes hide the lack of ball mill in the rear tubes. The upper tube on the old one looks a bit different. But if you'd not been told they were there most folks would likely never notice the difference or realize it wasn't supposed to be that way. Maybe what you've really got going for you is just a pair of outer tubes :nixweiss: ?
If it wasn't for the difference in the upper tubes in the rear, I don't think anyone would notice it without some prompting. But, knowing I can likely make the blllet tubes work, I won't make it to spring without doing so... One of the advantages (or disadvantages) of a long cold winter...
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I agree that the lifter blocks are the most eye catching part of the pair. With the TP boxes the pushrod tubes don't have to carry the visual continuity that they need to wth the HD ball milled rocker boxes. It looks good as it sets there. All buttoned up and running I'd think twice about tearing it down again just to make the change. Especially with the extra effort required managing the pushrods because of those TP rocker assemblies.
Actually, it's not a big job to do the swap. When I took it down for a look see at the cams and lifters, I installed the SE tapered pushrods. They shorten enough that they can be pulled with everything else intact... I actually like them quite a lot. The S&S limited travel lifters have .100 travel. The SE tapered pushrods move .042 with one revolution - so setting the pushrod length is very easy. Pulling the rear pushrods and covers would be quick and easy...
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If it wasn't for the difference in the upper tubes in the rear, I don't think anyone would notice it without some prompting. But, knowing I can likely make the blllet tubes work, I won't make it to spring without doing so... One of the advantages (or disadvantages) of a long cold winter...
The upper tube is the one area they really do stand out. However..... Football air cleaner cover?
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Actually, it's not a big job to do the swap. When I took it down for a look see at the cams and lifters, I installed the SE tapered pushrods. They shorten enough that they can be pulled with everything else intact... I actually like them quite a lot. The S&S limited travel lifters have .200 travel. The SE tapered pushrods move .095 with one revolution - so setting the pushrod length is very easy. Pulling the rear pushrods and covers would be quick and easy...
And who am I to even think about leaving it alone.... I ground the crap out of both of mine to get all four in there :huepfenlol2: .
I haven't used the new SE pushrods. That'd be very convenient that basically the full required adjustment from zero lash can be had with one full turn.
Nice to know they'll allow for easier install even with the TP boxes and rockers too. When I lost those nice robust Zippers pushrods during the red bikes reassembly the only thing I could get quickly were the old SE pushrods. I hate 'em. But didn't want to wait. Some time they're coming back out though. Twice over the years I've had one of them bend. Straightened one with a rock on the side of the road once and ran it home too :huepfenlol2: . But some wintery day they'll get replaced before one of them bends again.
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The upper tube is the one area they really do stand out. However..... Football air cleaner cover?
Nope - not the football air cleaner cover -
A ball milled billet Ness round cover...
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And who am I to even think about leaving it alone.... I ground the crap out of both of mine to get all four in there :huepfenlol2: .
I haven't used the new SE pushrods. That'd be very convenient that basically the full required adjustment from zero lash can be had with one full turn.
Nice to know they'll allow for easier install even with the TP boxes and rockers too. When I lost those nice robust Zippers pushrods during the red bikes reassembly the only thing I could get quickly were the old SE pushrods. I hate 'em. But didn't want to wait. Some time they're coming back out though. Twice over the years I've had one of them bend. Straightened one with a rock on the side of the road once and ran it home too :huepfenlol2: . But some wintery day they'll get replaced before one of them bends again.
They are nice... they take a 1/2 inch wrench to adjust - they are labeled intake/exhaust. They have six flats on the case (and locknut) and four flats on the stud. They have a "dot" on one of the case flats so one revolution is easily identified. Very user friendly... Plus the tapered end gives added clearance where they pass into the heads... But the best part is they can be installed/removed without any other disassembly.
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They are nice... they take a 1/2 inch wrench to adjust - they are labeled intake/exhaust. They have six flats on the case (and locknut) and four flats on the stud. They have a "dot" on one of the case flats so one revolution is easily identified. Very user friendly... Plus the tapered end gives added clearance where they pass into the heads... But the best part is they can be installed/removed without any other disassembly.
Ok. I'm sold. Will order a set to have on hand for whenever I get the urge this winter to take the others out of the red bike.
And that air cleaner cover... What's it looked like turned 90 degrees?
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Ok. I'm sold. Will order a set to have on hand for whenever I get the urge this winter to take the others out of the red bike.
And that air cleaner cover... What's it looked like turned 90 degrees?
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Now I suppose you want to see it with the rest of the bike rotated 90 degrees??
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:ROFLOL: You beat me to it I was doing the same thing. :2vrolijk_21:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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TwoLane, you've done it again. A great documentary of your winter project. We all love seeing you do these deals and taking the time and effort to take the pics along the way and then post. Thanks. Glad it came out well and runs that great. Now, is the SEEG gonna get any trips this Spring/Summer or will the new-old red bike get all the fun? :nixweiss: har! :drink: spyder
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TwoLane, you've done it again. A great documentary of your winter project. We all love seeing you do these deals and taking the time and effort to take the pics along the way and then post. Thanks. Glad it came out well and runs that great. Now, is the SEEG gonna get any trips this Spring/Summer or will the new-old red bike get all the fun? :nixweiss: har! :drink: spyder
Howie and I were talking about just that a day or two ago Spyder. I still do my best to split time between them so as to avoid either of the bikes copping any attitude. It is best to keep them happy.
When the group that Howie was herding picked Eureka Springs for the 10th birthday rally my private thought was that it (kinda) sucked. Just too close to home. Only 90 minutes away. Getting to a Gathering is a big part of the event enjoyment. I love the time with everyone. But I also like the solitary time on the road to get there.
There will be a benefit to Eureka Springs being so close though. I'll ride one of the bikes to Eureka and use it to play during the days there. Saturday thru Tuesday. Then sometime Tuesday I'll do a quick round trip home and get the other. Will take it from Eureka Springs to Georgia for Ken's BBQ. So in May both bikes will get a trip.
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Howie and I were talking about just that a day or two ago Spyder. I still do my best to split time between them so as to avoid either of the bikes copping any attitude. It is best to keep them happy.
When the group that Howie was herding picked Eureka Springs for the 10th birthday rally my private thought was that it (kinda) sucked. Just too close to home. Only 90 minutes away. Getting to a Gathering is a big part of the event enjoyment. I love the time with everyone. But I also like the solitary time on the road to get there.
There will be a benefit to Eureka Springs being so close though. I'll ride one of the bikes to Eureka and use it to play during the days there. Saturday thru Tuesday. Then sometime Tuesday I'll do a quick round trip home and get the other. Will take it from Eureka Springs to Georgia for Ken's BBQ. So in May both bikes will get a trip.
Which RedBike will make the 'devil run' to Ga? I might not make the ES but get to Ga. Just wondering? :drink: har! spyder
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I installed these today - the HD ball milled lifter blocks and matching pushrod tubes... Well - at least I installed two of the matching pushrod tubes... The inner pushrod tubes (closest to the cylinders) do not clear the Axtell cylinders... :( The combination of the larger cylinders and larger pushrod tubes run out of clearance for each other...
So I installed the ball milled lifter blocks and outer ball mill matching tubes - and left the inner tubes the plain chrome tubes... The plain inner tubes are somewhat covered - so I think it looks o.k. Doesn't matter - I like it and think it is an improvement... I took a picture - but it sucks due to reflection - here it is anyway... :nixweiss:
Looks good Scott. Thanks for the info on the PRT's not fitting with the Axtells. Are those Lifter Blocks strictly cosmestic, or is there any kinda "strength" or other benefit from them at all? Is the only reason you changed to the SE Tapered adjustables so they can be removed without removing the rocker boxes? Bike looks really good man! :2vrolijk_21:
And a Healthy and Happy New Year to you and Shiela! :drink: :drink: :drink: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
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Looks good Scott. Thanks for the info on the PRT's not fitting with the Axtells. Are those Lifter Blocks strictly cosmestic, or is there any kinda "strength" or other benefit from them at all? Is the only reason you changed to the SE Tapered adjustables so they can be removed without removing the rocker boxes? Bike looks really good man! :2vrolijk_21:
And a Healthy and Happy New Year to you and Shiela! :drink: :drink: :drink: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
Strictly cosmetic, Howie... And the SE Tapered pushrods were just for convenience...
Thanks...
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Which RedBike will make the 'devil run' to Ga? I might not make the ES but get to Ga. Just wondering? :drink: har! spyder
Don't know Spyder. Guess I should decide sometime...
Ok, Road Glide in Arkansas and SEEG to Georgia.
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Strictly cosmetic, Howie... And the SE Tapered pushrods were just for convenience...
Thanks...
Hey Scott? Did you see Howie there trying to rationalize getting the pretty lifter blocks :huepfenlol2: ?
Howie, you don't need a reason man. Just Do IT. They look good. And those sets being sold on eBay by someone are cheap too.
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Hey Scott? Did you see Howie there trying to rationalize getting the pretty lifter blocks :huepfenlol2: ?
Howie, you don't need a reason man. Just Do IT. They look good. And those sets being sold on eBay by someone are cheap too.
I noticed! Winter OCD!
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Hey Scott? Did you see Howie there trying to rationalize getting the pretty lifter blocks :huepfenlol2: ?
Howie, you don't need a reason man. Just Do IT. They look good. And those sets being sold on eBay by someone are cheap too.
What's a good price on those? :nixweiss:I've been lusting after them for some time now :-*(you and Scott haven't helped w/ the pics either) ::)har! spyder
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Hey Scott? Did you see Howie there trying to rationalize getting the pretty lifter blocks :huepfenlol2: ?
Howie, you don't need a reason man. Just Do IT. They look good. And those sets being sold on eBay by someone are cheap too.
I tried Don! But Scott just didn't convince me there Don! Maybe he should'a embellished a lil! ::) ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
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I tried Don! But Scott just didn't convince me there Don! Maybe he should'a embellished a lil! ::) ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
Howie, Scott was just being modest. He's good that way. But I'll tell you the rest of the story. After all, I've got them on both bikes so I must know how to make it up what it is.
First off those vertial ball milled design elements in the pushrod tubes cause enhanced turublating vortices for the air flow entering the intake. In case you're wondering, yes, this is a good thing. The extra spin tickles the intake and throttle body. And an intake and throttle body that are tickled can't be bad. This TTE (turbulator tickling effect) accounts for 20 to 25 extra hp.
More important to your current situation, however, are the lifter blocks. Once again it's all in the ball milled design and their matching ball milled o-ring. That special ball milled o-ring has lifter reanimating super powers built in to it. Wirelessly. Your lifter would have survived another 100,000 miles with those o-rings. But they only work with these lifter blocks.
On top of all that; it all just looks good.
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The Road Glide just got more chit. Six weeks or so ago saw a luxury rich red Ultra tour pak on eBay for about $350 shipped. It was a little dinged up but not bad. Couple of little spots that will cover well enough with some touch up paint for the little bit of service it will see.
Got it because my niece likes riding better with the big tour pak's backrest. She likes having the arms come around her. Will probably end up spending almost as much for a backrest from Corbin made to match the saddle as I did for the tour pak itself. But I'm a little drunk tonight so I don't really care.
Needed to do something to make the Scotch last longer and a box with all the spare antenna leads, harness bits and other pieces I'd need to button this thing up had shown up yesterday. So started screwing with it an hour and a half or so ago. Had to build a harness to tie it all together under the plate but it's nice and tidy now; and still serviceable. New deutsch connector up front and she plugs up just like the stock chopped tour pak.
Not sure if this photo was just that dark or if I was working in the garage with the lights off and just didn't realize it. No lid back on yet because the new billet hinges have to be put on yet. But it works now. Whoopee...
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Most excellent Don. Getting ready to head down that path w/ my '09.
Burp
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Most excellent Don. Getting ready to head down that path w/ my '09.
Burp
Got to admit I wouldn't have done if it hadn't been a cheap score that was already the right color. The Bushtec trailer behind the bikes make the King pak all but unnecessary for travel. Really did just get it to make The Kid more comfortable when she rides.
It might get some occasional local weekend travel use just because it's here now. So having it available won't be a bad thing. I do like the look of the Ultra package on the rear of the King paks so hope that having it staring me in the face in the garage all the time doesn't eventually force me to cut the King pak for the SEEG and do the same thing. Nah, even I'm not that nuts.
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2Lane, What is the part # of the SE 6-speed. Been looking at a 33102-03A but getting conflicting year/model numbers.
The bike looooks sharp. :cherry:
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Edit: Found it. Need part #33101-03A
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Edit: Found it. Need part #33101-03A
Yes, that's it for 1990-2000. If you happen to find a good deal on the 33101-03 kit that preceded the 03A it's worth consideration too. Believe the difference to be only the change in shift drums that adds the detent so you no longer feel like you're perpetually downshifting as you slow down. If a dealer has this old gear kit in stock it's not going to be a fast mover. Probably been in stock for awhile. Might be a high dollar item they'd discount a bit. The extra gear really made this is a nicer bike on the highway :2vrolijk_21: .
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The pad arrived from Corbin sometime today for the King Tour Pak had mentioned before. It was an eBay score that was cheap enough to (maybe) justify getting just for the occasional need. Happened to be the right color to begin with is what made it worthwhile to pursue.
The tour pak looks good from five feet (ok, maybe eight). Up close you'll see a few battle marks and other places where I went after it with a bottle of touch up paint. All in all it's ok though. My niece likes to ride with the big wrap around backrest pad from Corbin better. That's the biggest reason I pulled the trigger on it. But it may get other use besides her riding time. Getting the new Corbin pad to match the seat cost as much as the damned tour pak did.
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Still have to do something with the holes for the speaker pods that used to be there. Someday. Maybe. Then again for the limited use it'll get maybe not either.... :drink:
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Pleased with the design layout choices. The three reds are in the right places to make it flow with the seat. Even got another tour pak emblem to make it look like it belong there.
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If was going to get the matching backrest I lucked out calling when I did. Turns out Corbin was discontinuing the red leather that I'd used in the seat. Only using up old stock now. They had a piece large enough to do this center section. But apparently couldn't have done another entire saddle.
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Gotta love those hinges ::) .
No CB on the bike. The right antenna is just a dummy. The old ultra tour pak had all the CB guts in it. I removed the coil for lack of need though. Put on a pair of AM/FM just for the symmetry of the look.
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Cover up the speaker pod holes with some (sly grin) dummy speakers. :apple:
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he does need to do that,, or something.
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Gotta love those hinges ::) .
No CB on the bike. The right antenna is just a dummy. The old ultra tour pak had all the CB guts in it. I removed the coil for lack of need though. Put on a pair of AM/FM just for the symmetry of the look.
You could use some of those cool "scratch covers" that Chip used on his pipe! Four of those would look great!
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Cover up the speaker pod holes with some (sly grin) dummy speakers. :apple:
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Thought about getting some speaker pods, putting snap covers on them and just using them for extra storage. Might just get some rubber plugs and put in the holes in the tour pak too. Does need something. But not too shook up about what that something might be.
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Separate music system for the BSR. ;D
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Separate music system for the BSR. ;D
Sort of. Speaker pods as an iPod holder for the little BSR. Or a Nintendo DS holder. Some idea will take hold.
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Just gotta get you some of these for them holes ;) :D :D :D :D ;D
(http://www.coolbikerstuff.com/accessories/hdstickers/extremeb.jpg)
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That seat came out great, TwoLane. You got good timing on the last of the leather, that's all I can say. Good karma, dude! (kinda makes up for some of the bad chit from the past, huh?) :-X har! spyder
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That seat came out great, TwoLane. You got good timing on the last of the leather, that's all I can say. Good karma, dude! (kinda makes up for some of the bad chit from the past, huh?) :-X har! spyder
It was Spyder. Apparently some unspecified but short time later they'd not have been able to fill the order. Still trying to decide if it's worthwhile to get a pad made for the detachable backrest while I still can. For such a time as I'll fill like running around without either tour pak.
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It was Spyder. Apparently some unspecified but short time later they'd not have been able to fill the order. Still trying to decide if it's worthwhile to get a pad made for the detachable backrest while I still can. For such a time as I'll fill like running around without either tour pak.
That's a 'no-brainer'.......do it. ;) spyder
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Get it while you can!!!!!! You will wish later that you had pulled the
trigger.
Mark
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That's a 'no-brainer'.......do it. ;) spyder
Get it while you can!!!!!! You will wish later that you had pulled the
trigger.
Mark
Yeah, that does seem to make sense. Frugality isn't always the best course anyway. When you flat can not get it later best ought to do it now. May not want it often. Sure as hell will want it more often if I don't have it though. If for no other reason than just to frustrate myself.
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Good news. The new back rest was a hit. The Kid saw it today and voiced approval :2vrolijk_21: .
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Then even greater approval.
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Then The Kid got this odd look of dissatisfaction on her face. Thought there was some issue yet to be explained. New seat discomfort, wedgie, just didn't know.
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Then suddenly it became obvious. She popped up front. Just tired of being a BSR I guess. Already planning for the day she rides her own.
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Twistin' the throttle and throwin the head back!
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This almost brought me to tears. She'd just suddenly popped back down in the seat and threw her head to the mirror. Then she said "oh no Uncle Donnie, it's the police to give me a ticket!"
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Apparently the threat of losing points didn't bother her too much. Because after that it was right back up on the pegs.
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Great pics TwoLane. Gosh, she's really grown up. Won't be long and she will be 'up front'. :nervous: :huepfenlol2: :) har! spyder
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Great pics TwoLane. Gosh, she's really grown up. Won't be long and she will be 'up front'. :nervous: :huepfenlol2: :) har! spyder
Tell me about it....
Compare this from today when she turned six
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31422.0;attach=102131;image)
to this from November 05 when was 2 1/2. The more things change the more they've stayed the same.
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3675.0;attach=17452;image)
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thats the first time i^v e seen ur bike Don, looks pretty smart with all the extra red touches, air cleaner cover n red leather seat n so.....
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thats the first time i^v e seen ur bike Don, looks pretty smart with all the extra red touches, air cleaner cover n red leather seat n so.....
Yeah, but you see, he took these pictures only from one side. So we can't see if he has any good hinges on the Tourpak.
Ride safely,
Louis
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Yeah, but you see, he took these pictures only from one side. So we can't see if he has any good hinges on the Tourpak.
Ride safely,
Louis
Hinge envy is such a sad thing :huepfenlol2: .
Of course it's got hinges! What, you think I don't have the OCD. All four freaking tour paks I own have the frakking hinges on them. I'm a nut. I can't help myself that way :P .
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31422.0;attach=102046;image)
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Hinge envy is such a sad thing :huepfenlol2: .
Of course it's got hinges! What, you think I don't have the OCD. All four freaking tour paks I own have the frakking hinges on them. I'm a nut. I can't help myself that way :P .
Now I feel much better.
Ride safely,
Louis
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Earlier in this thread showed the King Tour Pak I scored on eBay for the classic red SERG. It was such a good deal too. Complete Ultra type King Tour Pak with all the hardware, a liner and a light inside for $350.00. Beware of good deals :huepfenlol2: .
It got the chrome trim for the Ultra lights, the chrome trim for the side lights, a lid organizer and my one spare classic SERG Tour Pak emblem. All that was nearly the cost of the tour pak. Ooops.
Fortunately the detachable rack was a good eBay score. But still had to get the big Corbin backrest with upholstery to match the saddle. And that was nearly the original cost of the tour pak again. Ooops2 :bananarock: .
But there were still the damned holes where the speaker pods had originally been. So a bare set of pods from the aftermarket for a hundred bucks, another $50 to Corbin for more material to match the saddle and another $60 to an old auto upholstery shop and the speaker pod mounting holes are adequately covered. All tolled just about the original cost of the tour pak itself again. Ooops3 :drink: .
All this because a six year old likes the big backrest and the big tour pak. And because the Corbin backrest wraps around so far if she goes to sleep I don't have to freak out.
The speaker pods are lined with upholstery felt and are now storage pods for Nintendo DS, iPod, cell phones, charger cords or whatever the hell else gets stuck there. Got a couple of PJ57's Electra Glide glove box doors coming that will actually fit the pods quite well. So they will get doors before they're done.
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Open wide and say "ahhhh."
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That looks really damn professional high class - and safety too. :2vrolijk_21:
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Got a PM earlier asking something about this thread and the bike on commenting on its evolution. I owe a thanks to the writer as it caused me to go back through it and re-remember how good a bike it has been and how much I've enjoyed it.
After the things mentioned in this thread the only other changes/upgrades that have been done were the wheels and chrome brakes and the change to the 02 and newer swingarm. It's been a wonderful bike that has been really well enjoyed. Relative to my own tastes it looks great. It's comfortable. And it runs out like a champ.
The old girl has only failed me once; when the ECM and the cam sensor concurrently took a dump about 250 miles from home. But even that wasn't a big deal and the bike got me home the same day.
Still have a set of the Progressive Monotubes to go in the front legs. But that'll be the extent of her "winter project" this year. She's not a diva, just likes to be ridden. And I enjoy riding her quite a lot.
The other bike too of course. But not all bikes we ever have for awhile give us that "special feeling" of comradeship that is sometimes shared with a really well matched ride. This bike wasn't that way when I brought it home now a little over two years ago. It was almost bone stock then. Looked good. But needed dialed in. Took a year and change to really make it mine. The last year has been nothing but excellent riding though.
Nice bike :2vrolijk_21: .
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yep Twolane she's still a beauty ! great thread thanks 8) :drink:
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yep Twolane she's still a beauty ! great thread thanks 8) :drink:
The old SERG got a small tidbit added today. No big deal but I like it.
I don't remember if the first year SERK's derby cover was ever in the P&A catalog or not. But it's been obsolete for a long time. There was a purple and a red version and the red is as rare as the red bikes.
Have the cover that is part of the SERK project. Couple months ago saw one on eBay. It came back from Chrome Masters this morning and got doctored with a paint pen. So.... the "1550 Screamin' Eagle" derby cover.
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Little wider view. Goes nice with the ball milled Ness inspection cover.
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Very nice Don! yet I'm kinda worried that the SEEG had to give up those nice ball milled bases & rocker boxes. Have you kicked it to the curb for good? :nervous: spyder
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Very nice Don! yet I'm kinda worried that the SEEG had to give up those nice ball milled bases & rocker boxes. Have you kicked it to the curb for good? :nervous: spyder
The SEEG didn't feel too bad about giving thee SERG those rocker boxes. It was able to because it was getting those TP Enginnering rocker boxes with the heavy rocker supports and rollers. It took them a few months after the SERG came home but these two actually get along real well anymore.
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The old SERG got a bit more shiny bits this evening. Finally wasn't 100-something today and was a pleasant evening. So killed a little time in the shop.
Spyder, those chrome shift arms we picked up are fine. Height, spline, etc; all good.
They look better than this too:
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Much better.
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Didn't pull the inner just for a shift arm though. Came up with a good inner primary core awhile back and sent it off for chroming. Porosity on the original castings was so bad for these that chromed pieces often have tons of pitting. Real proud of how this one turned out.
Before:
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And after. Smooth as glass and no pits anywhere. Chromemasters did a great job.
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The newly chromed inner primary got the Baker high torque mainshaft bearing. So had to pull the old race off the mainshaft. So had to pull the pulley to have room to get the pulley on the race since it had walked inboard just a bit. Since that meant the belt was loose went ahead and changed the axle too.
(ok, was going to change it anyway, but it sounds good to think it was somehow "necessary)
Old axle:
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Nice axle:
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That's all.
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Spyder, those chrome shift arms we picked up are fine. Height, spline, etc; all good.
Great! Good to hear. I ended up with two just alike even tho I ordered the one 1st that was indicated for a pre-'97 scooter. They look identical and the packageing states the same 'fit' also. It's always a crap-shoot when you're ordering parts off of eBay. But, looks just like the one you got and your's looks great on there. Can you see the other side good on your bike with the pipes you're running? spyder
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Great job Don.Nice n Shiny. :2vrolijk_21:...............................................Fuzz
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Great! Good to hear. I ended up with two just alike even tho I ordered the one 1st that was indicated for a pre-'97 scooter. They look identical and the packageing states the same 'fit' also. It's always a crap-shoot when you're ordering parts off of eBay. But, looks just like the one you got and your's looks great on there. Can you see the other side good on your bike with the pipes you're running? spyder
You can see it a little bit Spyder. If you're looking for it and know what was there before it looks much better too. Casual looker wouldn't notice it. But, dammit, we know it's there.
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Great job Don.Nice n Shiny. :2vrolijk_21:...............................................Fuzz
Thanks Rich. Honestly was really pleased with the inner primary. Even good cores on those are rarely "good." Almost always see some pitting after they get chromed. But this was a good core and the chrome shop did extra dip of the layer(s) beneath the chrome to really smooth things out. Ended up like a mirror. Now (law of unintended consequences) the old less than pristine silver on the engine cases stands out more though..... :huepfenlol2:
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Now (law of unintended consequences) the old less than pristine silver on the engine cases stands out more though..... :huepfenlol2:
I'm calling BS on the above.
Nothing on your bikes is less than "pristine."
;)
SBB
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I'm calling BS on the above.
Nothing on your bikes is less than "pristine."
;)
SBB
Not true. It may be pretty darn good. But I can't claim "pristine." Would be nice though.
Engine cases on this bike are beginning to show their age a bit. It's not terrible. But it is noticeable. Also hit a pothole (sinkhole?) at night that I never saw coming a few weeks back and the forks compressed so far have a ding in the front fender now too.
It's a 12 year old bike though. So I'm not complaining. Still looks pretty darn good.
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Not true. It may be pretty darn good. But I can't claim "pristine." Would be nice though.
Engine cases on this bike are beginning to show their age a bit. It's not terrible. But it is noticeable. Also hit a pothole (sinkhole?) at night that I never saw coming a few weeks back and the forks compressed so far have a ding in the front fender now too.
It's a 12 year old bike though. So I'm not complaining. Still looks pretty darn good.
That's truely an under-statement! I'm still in love with this scooter!
JW
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You can see it a little bit Spyder. If you're looking for it and know what was there before it looks much better too. Casual looker wouldn't notice it. But, dammit, we know it's there.
Oh, and the axil looks good too.......can't believe you had that ole rusty on there that long .. :o.. har. spyder
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Oh, and the axil looks good too.......can't believe you had that ole rusty on there that long .. :o.. har. spyder
That's a touch I like. Never see it but I know it's there. Originals are functional but ugly. Have had the axle back from the chrome shop for quite awhile. Just hadn't had an excuse to install it until now.
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That's a touch I like. Never see it but I know it's there. Originals are functional but ugly. Have had the axle back from the chrome shop for quite awhile. Just hadn't had an excuse to install it until now.
yeah, me too....always loved getting that hugh piece back from the chromer only to install and cover it all up except for the lil end bit.....but, that's important too. har. What's next on the parts/assembly? spyder
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yeah, me too....always loved getting that hugh piece back from the chromer only to install and cover it all up except for the lil end bit.....but, that's important too. har. What's next on the parts/assembly? spyder
On the old SERG there's nothing on its agenda. No winter projects lined up. Not even due for an oil change for awhile yet. Same on the SEEG. Of course saying that will jinx something....
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On the old SERG there's nothing on its agenda. No winter projects lined up. Not even due for an oil change for awhile yet. Same on the SEEG. Of course saying that will jinx something....
How's the SERK going?
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How's the SERK going?
Have put together some subassemblies the last couple of months. New bearings and a freshening of the tranny. Put the Progressive Monotube kit in the forks and assembled the tree. And several other small bits. Still can't make it a roller though. Haven't yet got around to the engine.
Still have top end yet to acquire and don't have the bottom end assembled. The parts pile mocks and ridicules me whenever I'm out in the shop though. So I should get to before the taunting harms my mental health.
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Have put together some subassemblies the last couple of months. New bearings and a freshening of the tranny. Put the Progressive Monotube kit in the forks and assembled the tree. And several other small bits. Still can't make it a roller though. Haven't yet got around to the engine.
Still have top end yet to acquire and don't have the bottom end assembled. The parts pile mocks and ridicules me whenever I'm out in the shop though. So I should get to before the taunting harms my mental health.
It may be too late to worry about that! :nixweiss:
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It may be too late to worry about that! :nixweiss:
You talkin' about us?
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It may be too late to worry about that! :nixweiss:
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It may be too late to worry about that! :nixweiss:
Let me fix your post...... It IS to late to worry about that!!! Remember Don
got a little to close to a bolt of lightning back in May and I am sure his brain had to
reboot after that.
He may be a little "different" now.
Anyone want to take this and run with it?
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I did the same thing reading this thread.
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You talkin' about us?
I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to him.
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Let me fix your post...... It IS to late to worry about that!!! Remember Don
got a little to close to a bolt of lightning back in May and I am sure his brain had to
reboot after that.
He may be a little "different" now.
Anyone want to take this and run with it?
Twolane 2.0 at your service (so say the voices so say we all).
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Great write up.
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Twolane 2.0 at your service (so say the voices so say we all).
So I see you found an OLD version that's BUG FREE :2vrolijk_21:
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Dont know how I missed reading through this thread but gota say it was worth the time, great job Don. You have a really nice bike there!!!
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Dont know how I missed reading through this thread but gota say it was worth the time, great job Don. You have a really nice bike there!!!
Thanks Roy. Appreciate the good thoughts.
Got to admit I really like this bike. Had wanted one for a long time before stumbling in to this one a few years ago. Since then its slow evolution to my goals for it has been a lot of fun and the bike is great to ride.
It suffers a bit power-wise in comparison to the 05. But it's 100/100 so it does ok. It pulls the trailer just fine. The difference is only a comparative thing when going from one to the other.
In some ways this is the better highway/long-days bike of the two. It's also the bike that is set up for my niece to ride with me. So it gets all the kid miles. And those are a special favorite.
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Not sure why I remembered this old thread. It's as good a place as any though. Certainly not the only "winter love" the old Road Glide since 2011 but the bike needed a new back tire so finally got around to installing a powder coated caliper that had been awaiting the tire install.
The bike relatively recently got the front brakes upgraded to Brembo, powder coated to match with a nice set of front calipers to go with.
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So with the new rear tired the rear Brembo and bracket that had previously visited the powder coater went on also. All the chrome and the fancy rotor would do a better job of showing the rear end off if the bike weren't dirty. Having it all on certainly does do a good job of showing off how badly it needs a swingarm powder coated to match also.... ???
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Lookin' good Don. Glad to visit the ole girl again. I know what you mean about the swing arm, there's always something else, but it looks great as it sits. har~ spyder