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Title: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grinner on September 17, 2009, 03:10:51 PM
Anybody else have this issue?  I just bought a 2010 SESG and love it.  However, as the seat has gotten more accustomed to me, it is inching away from the CVO emblem on my tank, leaving about an inch of open space that looks bad.  HD dealer said they had gotten the same feedback from others, but not sure how Harley is going to address it.  I paid a lot of $$ for this bad boy, and this small "blemish" is taking away from the overall beauty of the bike.  Suggestions?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Fired00d on September 17, 2009, 03:41:38 PM
Grinner,
I moved this to the SESG board so others would be aware and also comment if they are having this problem w/their SESG. Last year on the SERG there was this exact same problem and there are a couple threads in that board about them. I hope this problem isn't sticking it's ugly head out on the SESG also, but since they share the same fender (rear end) it might possibly be showing up. :nervous: :nervous:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on September 17, 2009, 04:48:12 PM
I've got the same issue. More obvious from the saddle than standing by the bike. When I'm in for my 1K, I'll address it with the dealer.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: emt364 on September 17, 2009, 04:55:14 PM
This issue is not just related to the SESG I have the same problem with the seat on my SERG. I pointed it out to the dealer when I took delivery of the bike. Did not hear anything they said they would look into it. It has been about 3 months and yesterday i got word from the dealer that they were going to replace the seat. They did not say if warranty or if they were going to cover it. Doesn't matter to me just want it replaced.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: trahog on September 17, 2009, 05:00:26 PM
I'm on my second seat and trying to get a third,on road glide,no luck so far,customer service was supposed to call me back yesterday.Bummer that the street glides are haveing the same problem
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: 2018_FLTRXSE on September 17, 2009, 05:06:00 PM
If this is the same problem as the 09 SERG, then replacing the seat is not a fix.

See what was done here. http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=39397.msg631592#new
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: JP on September 17, 2009, 06:11:18 PM
If this is the same problem as the 09 SERG, then replacing the seat is not a fix.

See what was done here. http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=39397.msg631592#new

You can put a longer tab on but that did not work for me because it was pushing back so hard on the mounting point where you screw it to the fender it bent the fender around the female insert that is in the rear fender.This is on my 09 SE Road Glide. i went with a 09 Street Glide seat (non SE seat) and the fit is great, about an inch over the counsel (no gap) the seat looks better than the SE seat. I know it sucks to spend that much money and have to fix it yourself but what do you do.  A new seat will do the same thing, i had two. Both sucked.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on September 17, 2009, 10:03:31 PM
 Have the same problem with mine. Had the dealer order a new seat before I took it off the floor.You could see the gap without sitting on it The new seat is in but I haven't seen it yet. ill see it this weekend. My dealer didn't put up much of a fuss,but if this one is the same way I expect the  :nixweiss: [this is normal answer] . I don't think Ill even let them switch it out if it has the same problem. I took the seat off and, it looks kinda CHEAP. The pan is so soft that it just settles into the bike
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Ranger on September 21, 2009, 11:15:10 AM
I have the same issue.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on September 21, 2009, 02:17:16 PM
got it on mine too...I've already told the dealer...they're going to look at it when I take it in for service...don't know what they'll do.
:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: 2018_FLTRXSE on September 22, 2009, 08:39:36 PM
You can put a longer tab on but that did not work for me because it was pushing back so hard on the mounting point where you screw it to the fender it bent the fender around the female insert that is in the rear fender.This is on my 09 SE Road Glide. i went with a 09 Street Glide seat (non SE seat) and the fit is great, about an inch over the counsel (no gap) the seat looks better than the SE seat. I know it sucks to spend that much money and have to fix it yourself but what do you do.  A new seat will do the same thing, i had two. Both sucked.

This sounds like you made the tab too long where it was actually tensioned against the bracket and the fender, causing it to bend.

I've got almost 2K on mine since the change and I dont have that problem.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on September 23, 2009, 09:01:31 PM
just got back from the dealer, They changed out the seat. This is what I got. I think I like the 1.5 inch gap better.
Greg
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on September 23, 2009, 10:17:23 PM
just got back from the dealer, They changed out the seat. This is what I got. I think I like the 1.5 inch gap better.
Greg

Well poop. That's what I have now...
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ThomasK on September 24, 2009, 10:09:03 AM
I wonder that MoCo is not able to learn anything about the 09 SERG seat problem. Or dont they want to? :(
Have ordered a 2010 FLHXSE. Hope that the export version is better!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on September 24, 2009, 03:14:42 PM
just got back from the dealer, They changed out the seat. This is what I got. I think I like the 1.5 inch gap better.
Greg

It looks to me that the MOCO could have made the dash panel a bit longer to tuck under the seat a bit more.  30+ K and we are talking about this, HD needs to step it up! :o
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: TIF2 on September 24, 2009, 03:53:59 PM
Is the stock seat worth having?

I'm leaning towards either a Sundowner or a Corbin. I agree that this is an in-excusable problem for a bike of this "supposed" caliber.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on September 24, 2009, 03:59:55 PM
I have a Corbin on my 2003 softail and love it!  Actually, I like it so much I have a second one made with different stiching and pattern.  I may look to get one for the SESG.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: TIF2 on September 24, 2009, 04:03:51 PM
I have a Corbin on my 2003 softail and love it! 

My motto has always been:
"There is Corbin ... and there is everybody else"  :)

The SESG is my first H-D so I have no history with H-D stock or accessory seats. Anyone with a Sundowner care to chime in?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ThomasK on September 28, 2009, 02:15:25 AM
I have had a matched sundowner at my SERG. Was very comfortable. But it didt look good to me. So I changed it into a customized solo Santee with backrest. Very comfortable and good looking!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on September 28, 2009, 04:52:09 PM
I have had a matched sundowner at my SERG. Was very comfortable. But it didt look good to me. So I changed it into a customized solo Santee with backrest. Very comfortable and good looking!

Can we see pictures of the solo Santee and your ride?
Title: Seat Issue
Post by: Ranger on October 14, 2009, 03:21:52 PM
I just had the 2,500 service on my CVO SG....and the seat is pulling back from the tank about 2 inches....the dealer really does not want to do anything about this...  Are you all seeing this issue and have you had resolution
Title: Re: Seat Issue
Post by: Fired00d on October 14, 2009, 04:37:07 PM
I just had the 2,500 service on my CVO SG....and the seat is pulling back from the tank about 2 inches....the dealer really does not want to do anything about this...  Are you all seeing this issue and have you had resolution
This has been noticed already so I merged your thread w/the existing one.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Seat Issue
Post by: greglyon on October 14, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
I just had the 2,500 service on my CVO SG....and the seat is pulling back from the tank about 2 inches....the dealer really does not want to do anything about this...  Are you all seeing this issue and have you had resolution

call customer service at HD directly bypassing the dealer.  I am told there is a fix in the works and should be ready by week of 10/25 for the serg.  don't know status of the sg  
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on October 14, 2009, 08:32:17 PM
I just received a letter from my dealer that my second replacement seat is in. Ill go n this weekend and pick it up. I think that my foggy headlight is in also. I will post pictures as I get them put on.( they want to install the seat themselves)
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on October 14, 2009, 08:42:24 PM
Talked to my dealer about the gap, and they said that there is a fix for SERG because the pan actually gives out on that seat and HD has supposedly fixed it.  He said the only thing they've gotten from the MoCo on the SESGs is for now, drill another hole in the tong on the back to push the seat a little farther forward.  That's what he did to my bike and it looks great now.  He said that as soon as the MoCo comes out, if they do, with a permanent solution he will then perform it on my SESG.  But at least for now it looks good again. :)

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: greglyon on October 15, 2009, 10:52:55 AM
Talked to my dealer about the gap, and they said that there is a fix for SERG because the pan actually gives out on that seat and HD has supposedly fixed it.  He said the only thing they've gotten from the MoCo on the SESGs is for now, drill another hole in the tong on the back to push the seat a little farther forward.  That's what he did to my bike and it looks great now.  He said that as soon as the MoCo comes out, if they do, with a permanent solution he will then perform it on my SESG.  But at least for now it looks good again. :)

:devil:

Anyone perform this fix and install a rider backrest.  I am interested to know if there is an alignment problem when you push the seat forward.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Mr D on October 15, 2009, 11:56:54 AM
This issue is not just related to the SESG  I have the same problem with the seat on my SERG. I pointed it out to the dealer when I took delivery of the bike. Did not hear anything they said they would look into it. It has been about 3 months and yesterday i got word from the dealer that they were going to replace the seat. They did not say if warranty or if they were going to cover it. Doesn't matter to me just want it replaced.

This issue has been around since the '06 CUSE was introduced, I have one and tried at the dealer level and my own adjustment, And the same ugly gap  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on October 15, 2009, 12:45:53 PM
Anyone perform this fix and install a rider backrest.  I am interested to know if there is an alignment problem when you push the seat forward.

Yep, I have the HD SESG backrest installed...no fitment issues at all...the seat is only moved forward less than an inch...at least on my bike it was....backrest still fits fine...doesn't stretch the slot behind the driver at all.
:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: greglyon on October 16, 2009, 09:58:45 AM
Yep, I have the HD SESG backrest installed...no fitment issues at all...the seat is only moved forward less than an inch...at least on my bike it was....backrest still fits fine...doesn't stretch the slot behind the driver at all.
:devil:

Thanks
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK? -- update
Post by: michaelbmenaker on October 27, 2009, 11:31:04 AM
My seat was sagging so much, it would no longer stay hooked on the front tab. My dealer called "Tech Services" who told him that this was the first such problem they'd heard of. I have forwarded this thread and the general SESG problems and issues thread to my dealer.

What was very cool, was that my service writer called to ask me if I wanted another SESG seat or some other Harley seat instead. I asked for another SESG seat. I do think that's a great offer and very good service. If I have another seat problem with the replacement, I may take them up on the offer.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grinner on October 27, 2009, 02:34:00 PM
Well, went back to my dealer (Earl Small's Harley Davidson, Cartersville, GA) yesterday and asked again about the seat gap issue.  They had a 2010 SESG on the floor and lo and behold that seat was already working its' way back from the CVO chrome tank plate.  They said that HD had not released any fix, and so I was basically stuck.....  Ended up ordering a 2010 SEUG seat to put on my SG as my gap is now about 1.5" wide and looks like crap.  No offer to replace or assist, except they gave me 10% off of the new seat.....only cost me a little over $200 out of pocket...and I don't even know if this will work!

Not sure if it's HD corporate or my local dealer, but my first HD purchase has been nothing less than a friggin nightmare when it comes to any sort of decent service after the sale..........

 :beatdeadhorse:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on October 27, 2009, 02:40:33 PM
Well, went back to my dealer (Earl Small's Harley Davidson, Cartersville, GA) yesterday and asked again about the seat gap issue.  They had a 2010 SESG on the floor and lo and behold that seat was already working its' way back from the CVO chrome tank plate.  They said that HD had not released any fix, and so I was basically stuck.....  Ended up ordering a 2010 SEUG seat to put on my SG as my gap is now about 1.5" wide and looks like crap.  No offer to replace or assist, except they gave me 10% off of the new seat.....only cost me a little over $200 out of pocket...and I don't even know if this will work!

Not sure if it's HD corporate or my local dealer, but my first HD purchase has been nothing less than a friggin nightmare when it comes to any sort of decent service after the sale..........

 :beatdeadhorse:

Go back to your service manager. Ask nice, he's your friend in this deal. Show him this thread and especially my last post. Ask him to call tech services. I'm betting he'll hear the same answer my dealer did. Do you want a new seat or a different one? Worth a try. If your dealer isn't helpful, call customer service yourself.

Title: Update on the Update
Post by: michaelbmenaker on October 27, 2009, 04:32:37 PM
I forwarded our threads on the seat issue to my service manager. He is very concerned that a seat that flexes as much as mine so the front becomes unhinged is a safety issue. And, he is convinced that the factory really isn't aware of the issue. His suggestion was to post this phone number -- 414-343-4056 which is the Customer Service number for customers and report this problem EVEN IF YOU'VE TALKED TO YOUR DEALER AND ARE HAPPY WITH THAT DEALER'S RESPONSE. That way the problem will be "officially" on the record.

In my service manager's opinion, dealerships are taking care of customers without necessarily going through the right channels to get the problem to the attention of the right people at the factory.

Title: Re: Update on the Update
Post by: MKW on October 27, 2009, 04:47:26 PM
I forwarded our threads on the seat issue to my service manager. He is very concerned that a seat that flexes as much as mine so the front becomes unhinged is a safety issue. And, he is convinced that the factory really isn't aware of the issue. His suggestion was to post this phone number -- 414-343-4056 which is the Customer Service number for customers and report this problem EVEN IF YOU'VE TALKED TO YOUR DEALER AND ARE HAPPY WITH THAT DEALER'S RESPONSE. That way the problem will be "officially" on the record.

In my service manager's opinion, dealerships are taking care of customers without necessarily going through the right channels to get the problem to the attention of the right people at the factory.

Number noted-Good stuff  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grinner on October 28, 2009, 10:31:44 AM
Called HD customer service 414-343-4056 this morning  (thanks michael!)

Initially spoke with "Dana" and explained issue.  She said there was a "fix kit" released October 21 for the 2009 models but didn't see anything to address the 2010 models.  She took info and forwarded me to "Debbie".  "Debbie" asked me to go back to the Dealership today, give them the Case Reference # xxxxxxx, and ask them to take digital pictures of the issue and send to them immediately.  She said she would contact me with a follow up once the pics had been received and reviewed.  I gave my cell as contact number, and they verified they had my home number too.  I mentioned this site to both customer reps and they were aware of the chatter posted here too!

Looks like somebody is aware since there is a fix already out for the 2009's, so hopefully they will address the current year models too.  Another issue is that the more the seat pulls back, the tongue is now starting to point slightly upward.  Looks like I am riding with a boner now!!  No wonder everybody is smiling and waving at me so much!!  :huepfenlol2: :nervous: :confused5:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: volfan615 on October 28, 2009, 01:19:46 PM
There is not a "fix kit" for the 2009 SERG.  I spoke with customer service again yesterday and they transferred me to a lady that works with the production groups.  She told me that they are working on a new seat but that it could be 3-6 months.  I told her that I had heard of people getting replacement seats and her response was that they had tried that but it wasn't working.


I can't believe that they knew this was a problem with the 09 SERG and then screwed up again with the 2010 SESG.  It's ridiculous to pay this much for Harley's top of the line bikes and have to deal with this issue.

EVERYONE needs to call customer service and keep calling till they take care of us!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on October 28, 2009, 03:03:20 PM
As the seat "bends" does it adversly affect the surface of the rear fender?  I think this would scuff the paint and if you went with a solo seat you may see some damage.  On another note, if there is a fix in for the '09 wouldn't we be able to use that seat on the '10?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: volfan615 on October 29, 2009, 07:28:55 PM
Someone on the SERG forum mention drilling out the center hole in the seat bracket to move the seat up.  I just tried this on my SERG and it moves the seat up as far as it will go.  Only issue with this fix is that there is only 1 screw attaching the bracket to the seat.  I guess this will do until Harley decides to fix this.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grinner on November 04, 2009, 10:31:02 AM
I got the new seat installed last night and it is much better  (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=42934.0)

Once I got the stock SG seat off I was amazed at the lack of support or any substantial reinforcement under the saddle.  When I flipped them both over and put the stock SG seat next to the stock UG seat, it was amazing to see the difference in support and overall quality lacking in the SG saddle.  I could almost bend the stock SG saddle in half it was so pliable (scary, 'cause if the front comes out of the slot it could be really bad for the rider!!).   Nose on the new UG saddle goes about two inches past the CVO tank plate (thank God no more ugly gap), and wife loves the feel and comfort of the new seat.

I also added the leather tour pack and it looks pretty sharp too.  Got everything installed by 11pm last night.  I tossed and turned all night waiting for daylight to see it and ride it to work (39 degrees in North Georgia this morning!!)  Not sure if I was supposed to put the stock backrest back on but it snapped right in and looks good too.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Mr. Wizard on November 04, 2009, 11:56:44 AM
Allen with Mean City Cycles is a friend of mine, we chat often. I'm sure most of you know who they are.

I asked if he was aware of the seat issue with the SESG... this was his reply. Thought it to be interesting.

>>>Looks similar to the seat that was on last year’s CVO RG which had similar problems as you are describing.  The local dealer has sent me 3 to fix and supposedly have 3 more on the way in for repairs.  The seat pan is just too flat with no bends in it for rigidity so what I have been doing is taking piece of 1/8 inch flat stock and bending it to the shape of the pan and putting one strip on each side of the seat pan and pop riveting it on. 

At the front of the seat they have some type of woven mesh that is in the foam and it is pulled under the seat pan.  This is supposed to keep the foam against the seat pan but like most of their recent seat work is poorly designed.  I end up re-gluing the foam back to the seat pan and covering the entire seat with a thin ¼” foam and attach it to the seat pan all the way around.  With that and pulling the cover a little tighter on the nose of the seat all of the seats I have done have not had any further issues.

My dealer said they called HD when the first customer complained about the seat and they told them they had not heard of this issue.  A month later, the second one showed up and they said they were aware of the problem but no fix yet. 

We did the last one 4 weeks ago and was told there still isn’t a fix, hopefully they will get it right without making the seat worse. Removing the tongue off the front of the seats was a huge mistake because in a year or two the cheap pans will start wearing the slot in the pan out and you can’t adjust anything to make it fit better where on the old tongue seats you could adjust the tongue to the keep the nose down, I would have thought since they did the same design back in the late 60s early 70s they had learned their lesson but history repeats itself yet again.<<< 

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on November 05, 2009, 10:52:11 PM
I just got my bike back from the dealer today. I had to have the seat replaced for a second time because of the gap in the seat. The new seat looks much better. It mates to the tank panel, feels much more sturdy. The pan has been redesigned and has a molded brace on it or should I say is part of it. It feels heavier. I don't know if it as comfy as the old one yet. I haven't rode it as I- well I live in Seattle.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on November 06, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
I just got my bike back from the dealer today. I had to have the seat replaced for a second time because of the gap in the seat. The new seat looks much better. It mates to the tank panel, feels much more sturdy. The pan has been redesigned and has a molded brace on it or should I say is part of it. It feels heavier. I don't know if it as comfy as the old one yet. I haven't rode it as I- well I live in Seattle.

Did they give you the part number for this revised seat?  I would guess based off of previous convention that it would contain the previous seat number followed by an "A". :nixweiss:

This is suprising news. :2vrolijk_21:  Seems like most people would want to know more about this change.  I wonder if this type of revision falls in the realm of a recall.  Especially when you consider how many of the owners and shops have expressed safety concern with the original seat becoming detached in the front.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOTequila on November 06, 2009, 04:09:01 PM
I JUST got off of the phone with customer service.......she said there will be a repair kit issued AT THE END OF NOVEMBER for the repair of the seat gap on the 2010 SESG.   We will see about that.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on November 06, 2009, 05:31:24 PM
I just got my bike back from the dealer today. I had to have the seat replaced for a second time because of the gap in the seat. The new seat looks much better. It mates to the tank panel, feels much more sturdy. The pan has been redesigned and has a molded brace on it or should I say is part of it. It feels heavier. I don't know if it as comfy as the old one yet. I haven't rode it as I- well I live in Seattle.

tj,
Is this a SESG seat or.......? :confused5:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on November 06, 2009, 06:08:04 PM
tj,
Is this a SESG seat or.......? :confused5:
I did not get a part number for the seat.
This is the second replacement I have had on the SESG.
I did not take a picture of the bottom of the old seat so I
can't say if this is a new design or not, but it seem much
sturdier and heavier. I will however ask about it next time
I am at my dealer
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on November 06, 2009, 06:23:33 PM
Thanks tj,

I'm sure if this is a revised part, just about everyone will want to know about it. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 13, 2009, 09:05:09 AM
My dealer contacted Tech Services they requested pictures so I sent some of the CVO seat Today I sent pictures of the factory stock street glide seat and a new Sundowner installed on my SESG. Both seats fit well and are approximately 1.5 to 2" longer than the CVO seat.


It is obvious to me that they are manufacturing them to the wrong length. Let's see how obvious it is to them?

This is the CVO seat gap without a rider on the bike
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 13, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
side view
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 13, 2009, 09:07:50 AM
Same bike 09 Street Glide factory seat
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 13, 2009, 09:09:06 AM
Side view Street glide seat
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 13, 2009, 09:10:13 AM
Top view New Sundowner seat
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 13, 2009, 09:11:18 AM
Side wiew Sundowner installed
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: hdnik on November 13, 2009, 09:42:39 AM
Selfishly, I hope they will have the fix in production before mine is built in Feb. I'm amazed that this flaw has gone on for this long. You gotta wonder if there are any HD service reps watching sites like these... surely they'd be more proactive.

Is there a way for a moderator to foward this thread (and ones like it) to HD Customer Service? Despite what I hear and read sometimes, the fact is that HD has one of the highest Customer Promoter Scores of any manufacturer! Higher than all the car companies, higher than all the retail chains and higher than most service industries. I want to believe they would react positively to this kind of debate and feedback.

Thanks all for the heads up on this!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Fired00d on November 13, 2009, 09:51:08 AM
Selfishly, I hope they will have the fix in production before mine is built in Feb. I'm amazed that this flaw has gone on for this long. You gotta wonder if there are any HD service reps watching sites like these... surely they'd be more proactive.

Is there a way for a moderator to foward this thread (and ones like it) to HD Customer Service? Despite what I hear and read sometimes, the fact is that HD has one of the highest Customer Promoter Scores of any manufacturer! Higher than all the car companies, higher than all the retail chains and higher than most service industries. I want to believe they would react positively to this kind of debate and feedback.

Thanks all for the heads up on this!
I'd bet money that there are people from H-D watching sites like these. However from the first page you get when you sign on to www.CVOHARLEY.com...

H-D, Harley-Davidson, and Harley-Davidson Logos
are registered trademarks of H-D Michigan, Inc.
Harley-Davidson in no way endorses or is affiliated with this site.

We have no more pull or ways to contact them other then the Customer Service number (414-343-4056) that is available to everyone.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: volfan615 on November 13, 2009, 09:54:04 AM
Selfishly, I hope they will have the fix in production before mine is built in Feb. I'm amazed that this flaw has gone on for this long. You gotta wonder if there are any HD service reps watching sites like these... surely they'd be more proactive.

Is there a way for a moderator to foward this thread (and ones like it) to HD Customer Service? Despite what I hear and read sometimes, the fact is that HD has one of the highest Customer Promoter Scores of any manufacturer! Higher than all the car companies, higher than all the retail chains and higher than most service industries. I want to believe they would react positively to this kind of debate and feedback.

Thanks all for the heads up on this!

The MoCo is well aware of the problem, they just aren't doing anything about it.  The same problem has gone on for a year now with the 09 SERG.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hoist! on November 13, 2009, 10:00:05 AM
Don't kid yourselves! They have a whole department of people monitoring websites and forums!!! They know! Don't forget, it ain't about youze guys! It's about return to shareholder. They weigh the costs of doing an overall fix on something, vs the cost of dealing with youze individually. The cheaper fix is the one you get. It ain't about doing it right. It's about doing it cheapest. Maybe not when it comes to safety recalls. But cosmetic chit, believe me, they ain't in no hurry to take care of youze guys, or care if they fix all of youze! The squeeky wheel gets the grease! And most customers don't ride enough to break or notice all the chit that we do. They'll never hear from those guys. So they won't deal with most things as an across-the-board fix! Get used to it! ;)

Hoist! :coolblue:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: SBB on November 13, 2009, 10:07:36 AM



YEAH!


And cranks are made in China also!


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           SBB
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOTequila on November 13, 2009, 10:33:03 AM
Keep it up gents,

Hopefully we can get HD to fix this issue ASAP!!!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 13, 2009, 10:49:41 AM
Well its obvious they know how to fix it!!!
It's just a matter of desire???

As a shareholder I guess I would ask why they were not changed in production to the stock seat as soon as it was discovered that they did not fit right?

Also I would be curious to know who dropped the ball by not getting in the vendor/suppliers pocket to make it right?

But that's just me
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Mr. Wizard on November 13, 2009, 11:11:59 AM
Nothing to update here...  Although I told my dealer about the seat before I made the purchase and the SM called Tech Support and they issued a service conformation # about the issue there has been no further contact about resolving the issue. We were told there is a new upgraded seat being built and I would get one of those.

Although my seat is as most pictured or spoken about and yes, it is ugly, it should be fixed without having to purchase an aftermarket seat. My most heartfelt concern is with the plastic seat pan and how the metal frame tongue will erode the pan. This is a severe safety issue that will cost someone their skin or worse as the tongue will no longer hold the seat.

So, with this being said, did any of you think of contacting your lawyer to start a suit against their 1960/1970 reversal of the seat tongue engineering. It didn't work then so they changed it and it's not going to work now especially with a plastic seat pan.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hoist! on November 13, 2009, 11:33:10 AM
Well its obvious they know how to fix it!!!
It's just a matter of desire???

As a shareholder I guess I would ask why they were not changed in production to the stock seat as soon as it was discovered that they did not fit right?

Also I would be curious to know who dropped the ball by not getting in the vendor/suppliers pocket to make it right?

But that's just me

As a shareholder, the only thing they want you to do is to keep investing, and keep cashing them dividend checks they hope they can keep providing to you! ;)

Hoist! :coolblue:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: djkak on November 13, 2009, 01:26:26 PM
I just got my bike back from the dealer today. I had to have the seat replaced for a second time because of the gap in the seat. The new seat looks much better. It mates to the tank panel, feels much more sturdy. The pan has been redesigned and has a molded brace on it or should I say is part of it. It feels heavier. I don't know if it as comfy as the old one yet. I haven't rode it as I- well I live in Seattle.

I put the SESG seat on my std FLHX on 10-7-09; only around 250 miles so far; very comfortable; nice and low; I like this seat. The -10 part number of my seat does not have a letter suffix, yet the underside looks just like the photo in TJ’s reply Reply #40.

Can someone post a photo of the seat pan from a seat with a gap up front?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on November 13, 2009, 02:25:11 PM
I put the SESG seat on my std FLHX on 10-7-09; only around 250 miles so far; very comfortable; nice and low; I like this seat. The -10 part number of my seat does not have a letter suffix, yet the underside looks just like the photo in TJ’s reply Reply #40.

Can someone post a photo of the seat pan from a seat with a gap up front?

Based on the feedback from what the other guyz have heard from the MoCo I'm betting that TJ just thought he had a different seat.  I'd like to have some evidence that proves HD has done a revision based off of the flaws, but I think it has not occurred yet.  TJ's newest seat probably just fits better.  Perhaps his dealer modified the tab like they did for Red Devil, and pushed the seat forward.  End result in my estimation is that if they had a REAL fix it would be evident and others hear would know about it for sure.

It would be nice if HD would come to us (so to speak) and provide useful feedback from the use of this forum.  IMHO I think that a response would be much more likely to occur through their customer service channel, because they are expecting the client to come to them.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on November 13, 2009, 09:43:14 PM
Based on the feedback from what the other guyz have heard from the MoCo I'm betting that TJ just thought he had a different seat.  I'd like to have some evidence that proves HD has done a revision based off of the flaws, but I think it has not occurred yet.  TJ's newest seat probably just fits better.  Perhaps his dealer modified the tab like they did for Red Devil, and pushed the seat forward.  End result in my estimation is that if they had a REAL fix it would be evident and others hear would know about it for sure.

It would be nice if HD would come to us (so to speak) and provide useful feedback from the use of this forum.  IMHO I think that a response would be much more likely to occur through their customer service channel, because they are expecting the client to come to them.
It looks like I will get a chance to get on the road tomorrow. Ill know within a 100 mi if the seat is fixed or not. I can tell you that the tab has not been modified by the dealer. They would have had a hard time doing this while it was at home in my garage  ;) I waited I believe about four weeks for the new seat to be delivered. Went out and checked it again and it is definitely heavier than the first two whatever the reason. Ill post my observations of it this weekend.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on November 13, 2009, 09:48:29 PM
I hope they fixed you up man.  I guess I just thought they would be more proactive with getting the word out about the change.  In your case as long as your satisfied than that is great news.  Hopefully it is the beginning of a correction for the rest as well.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on November 14, 2009, 09:14:14 PM
OK Guys and Gals
I went out for a couple of hours on the replaced seat and t did not bent and show a gap. Whatever they did worked. I'm satisfied that it is as good as a stock seat will get. Now if only my Corbin would get here :'(
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: volfan615 on November 14, 2009, 09:21:46 PM
Would you mind sharing your case number with Harley?  Maybe that would help the rest of us when we call. 
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 14, 2009, 09:34:45 PM
I put the SESG seat on my std FLHX on 10-7-09; only around 250 miles so far; very comfortable; nice and low; I like this seat. The -10 part number of my seat does not have a letter suffix, yet the underside looks just like the photo in TJ’s reply Reply #40.

Can someone post a photo of the seat pan from a seat with a gap up front?

The picture in your post shows a seat already too short it should cover at least 1" of the dash panel
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on November 15, 2009, 09:16:04 AM
Would you mind sharing your case number with Harley?  Maybe that would help the rest of us when we call. 
I don't have a case number with Harley. My dealer took care of it. I threw a fit after the second seat was worse than the first. Much worse, in fact the dealer was disgusted. I figure thats why I waited over a month for the next seat. They were waiting for a fix that actually a fix. They ordered a headlight for the bike because it was smoked up, it came in about a week. The seat was three weeks after that.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: TIF2 on November 15, 2009, 09:25:06 AM
I just picked my SESG up yesterday ... seat issue has NOT been addressed for bikes in Stage 2 delivery.
Somebody really dropped the ball at Harley for the new SESG seat, and as was mentioned before, very suprising given the history of the SERG.

I doubt we will ever see a resolution to it from the MoCo.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on November 15, 2009, 10:03:54 AM
I am going to post some more pictures of the new seat.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on November 15, 2009, 10:05:59 AM
another This caught my eye. feels like something has been slid in there.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on November 15, 2009, 10:06:34 AM
again
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on November 15, 2009, 10:07:21 AM
one more
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 15, 2009, 10:15:52 AM
IMO opinion I would accept a new standard street glide or sundowner seat as a replacement and be done wit it. Even though I will probably go with a custom Corbin, Mustang or Saddlemen.

I'll never be happy with a repair I want a properly built seat!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on November 15, 2009, 11:09:03 AM
TJ,

Thanks for posting the pics.  I know you were just dying to take your seat back off again so the rest of us could stare at the bottom!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: tjstreetglide on November 15, 2009, 11:11:35 AM
Took them yesterday while it was still off. At the least you can see the part numbers.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: djkak on November 15, 2009, 02:08:47 PM
The picture in your post shows a seat already too short it should cover at least 1" of the dash panel

Why should it cover the dash panel at all? I prefer the upholstery under my cahones, not on top of the gas tank; the gap is another issue.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: djkak on November 15, 2009, 02:24:11 PM
Thanks tj for the photos. I would also be helpful if someone someone with 2010 FLHXSE that has a gap at the front of their seat to post a large 1600x1200 photo of the complete underside of their seat pan. This would allow a comparison to be made with the latest seat.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: jacksglide on November 16, 2009, 04:37:41 PM
I just spent over an hour on the phone with Harley customer service. I talked with 2 separate people, the later of the two was a senior tech rep. 1st, there is NO fix in the future for our seat problem. The fix that is coming out later this month is for the Road Glide model only!!! The senior (John) expressed his sorrow, but stated the bike (SESG) has only been out since July! He went on to say that this web site is giving out miss information and Harley will NOT be replacing any of the SESG seats in the near future. So, I proceeded to say that in essence what you are telling me is to stuff myself. That I would be better off going to an outside vendor and PAYING someone AGAIN to put a correctly fitting seat on my brand new (less that 600mi) Street Glide. To which he stated," I can't tell you to go and do that." When I stated how about I write Harley a big thank you letter for the great job they did on this bike. He stated it would not hurt. He also stated look how long the Road Glide has been suffering with this problem, and we still do NOT have it figured out yet.
 Every one who has this problem should write Harley and tell them how much their design team is thought off with respects to this failled seat design. Just maybee if they receive enough hate mail, maybee in 2-3 years the factory will come up with a fix for our bikes!!!!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: JCZ on November 16, 2009, 04:53:56 PM
I just spent over an hour on the phone with Harley customer service. I talked with 2 separate people, the later of the two was a senior tech rep. 1st, there is NO fix in the future for our seat problem. The fix that is coming out later this month is for the Road Glide model only!!! The senior (John) expressed his sorrow, but stated the bike (SESG) has only been out since July! He went on to say that this web site is giving out miss information  and Harley will NOT be replacing any of the SESG seats in the near future. So, I proceeded to say that in essence what you are telling me is to stuff myself. That I would be better off going to an outside vendor and PAYING someone AGAIN to put a correctly fitting seat on my brand new (less that 600mi) Street Glide. To which he stated," I can't tell you to go and do that." When I stated how about I write Harley a big thank you letter for the great job they did on this bike. He stated it would not hurt. He also stated look how long the Road Glide has been suffering with this problem, and we still do NOT have it figured out yet.
 Every one who has this problem should write Harley and tell them how much their design team is thought off with respects to this failled seat design. Just maybee if they receive enough hate mail, maybee in 2-3 years the factory will come up with a fix for our bikes!!!!

Sounds to me like he got some bad information.  This forum doesn't give out information on Harley products.  The members here post their opinions, thoughts and views.....much like every other forum, but the web site doesn't give out information. :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: TIF2 on November 16, 2009, 05:04:44 PM
Problem could also be solved if they made a full tank panel that ran the length of the tank.
If that were the case, the seat issue would go un-noticed.

"we don't have it figured out yet" ... typical BS if you ask me. It's a freakin' seat for goodness sake.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: jacksglide on November 16, 2009, 06:05:34 PM
I guess what pissed me off the most was, he was very willing to talk to me openly about the problem. He stated that Harley engineering new this was an issue and had been working on the problem for some 2+ years. He stated the fix involved a new bracket being affixed to the underside of the seat pan. BUT, as soon as he figured out that I had a Street Glide and not a Road Glide, BOY did he change his tune in a big F$%$ing hurry! I mean this guy clammed right up, I had to ask X2 if he was still on the other end of the phone! So I guess we have to get our problems with the seat design brought to light.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 16, 2009, 06:27:56 PM
It is an extremely complicated problem. you have to
1) use a screwdriver to remove the SESG seat
2) open a box with a new touring sundowner seat (pick any style except the one you get for 30,000$)
3) use a screwdriver to install it and see that it fits correctly
4) remove it and compare the 2 seats
5) call the idiot making the seats and tell him to get off his keyster and fix it or get his next check from the government!!!! :soapbox:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 17, 2009, 08:57:54 PM
Here are pictures of my seat with gap issues replaced it with a Sundowner while waiting for the dealer to work through the Gap issues with Harley.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 17, 2009, 08:59:04 PM
front view
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on November 17, 2009, 09:50:14 PM
Here are pictures of my seat with gap issues replaced it with a Sundowner while waiting for the dealer to work through the Gap issues with Harley.

Can you post a pic of your SESG with the Sundowner? I'm thinking of the same solution...
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: djkak on November 17, 2009, 10:16:56 PM
Here are pictures of my seat with gap issues replaced it with a Sundowner while waiting for the dealer to work through the Gap issues with Harley.

Thanks, WnK, from here it doesn't look like anything has changed with the seat pan. I'm still gapless after 300 miles, but I'll be taking a look at the seat pan on my machine tomorrow; maybe it’s frozen to the gas tank.  :) Heated gear sure makes a lot of sense this time of year.  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 18, 2009, 09:59:45 AM
Thanks, WnK, from here it doesn't look like anything has changed with the seat pan. I'm still gapless after 300 miles, but I'll be taking a look at the seat pan on my machine tomorrow; maybe it’s frozen to the gas tank.  :) Heated gear sure makes a lot of sense this time of year.  :2vrolijk_21:

Here she is with the Sundowner. We mostly ride 2 up with the King Tour Pak installed. I will get a standard Street Glide seat for Solo. Tried my neighbors and it fit perfectly.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 18, 2009, 10:07:47 AM
other view
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Old Harley Dude on November 18, 2009, 10:49:15 AM
 >:( :nixweiss: What an irritating issue the gap is. I took my 2010SESG to my dealer last week and showed the SM the problem.  He said he had not seen it before. He did not hesitate to say he was going to call HD hotline and get the scoop. He then took the stock POS off and handed me a Sundowner asking if that would do it for me.  We put it on and it rides great but I'm a little higher and the front is fairly wide which splays my legs out a bit. The rear cushion is huge but doesn't look too bad.  So my solution, other than suing HD, is to use the Sundowner when I'm riding 2-up and get a Mustang Solo seat for most of my riding. $36,000 and this is what we get.

Next will do a Fullsac conversion on a V&H Power header + TTS. I can't stand the quiet of the engine, of course I have the clacking problem but I turn the radio up and when I get my exhaust converted it won't bother me as much.

Keep on riding.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: jacksglide on November 18, 2009, 12:16:38 PM
Hey Wheelsnkeels, snap a pic for me while you are looking straight down at the tank. I want to see the gap between the tank con. and the seat.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 18, 2009, 12:18:04 PM
Here are pictures of my seat with gap issues replaced it with a Sundowner while waiting for the dealer to work through the Gap issues with Harley.

Here is a better picture of the part #

all the numbers are the same as TJ's seat with the exception of mine has a 3 under the first letter of the part number where his has a 2? Not sure what this indicates but neither was peoperly designed.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 18, 2009, 12:19:22 PM
Hey Wheelsnkeels, snap a pic for me while you are looking straight down at the tank. I want to see the gap between the tank con. and the seat.

Like this?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: jacksglide on November 18, 2009, 12:28:03 PM
Why is there still that gap????  My road Glide overlaped the tank by over 1 inch.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 18, 2009, 12:30:45 PM
Why is there still that gap????  My road Glide overlaped the tank by over 1 inch.

Thats how it came they havent addressed the problem yet my stock Street Glide seat covers it by at least an inch
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 18, 2009, 12:34:03 PM
Thats how it came they havent addressed the problem yet my stock Street Glide seat covers it by at least an inch

Sundowner too!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Old Harley Dude on November 18, 2009, 01:03:00 PM
Picture of the gap looks like mine did.

Changed my mind and ordered a Corbin Claassic Solo with backrest.

Have see threads that show custom stitching of seats.  Who does it?

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on November 18, 2009, 01:16:45 PM
Corbin does the custom stitching on their own seats.  It is not any extra if you are getting one with heat, but is extra if your not I believe.  JCZ posted some of this information in his thread.  If it is not to late you should be able to call Corbin and have your order amended.  Some people have had trouble getting the exact color that they wanted, because Corbin has many thread color options, but doesn't send out samples of the thread colors.

My recommendation if your order is not complete is to order your seat through HD-dude.  That is what I would have done until he offered up the same seat I would have ordered early and pre-made.

Ordering through Jim will get you a 10% discount because your a member of this site as well as great customer service from someone who knows already how to interface with Corbin.

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on November 18, 2009, 01:31:26 PM
Picture of the gap looks like mine did.

Changed my mind and ordered a Corbin Claassic Solo with backrest.

Have see threads that show custom stitching of seats.  Who does it?


Here is the thread where JC got his Corbin Solo.  JCZ mods have begun (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=40248.30).  The link should take you to the part about the seat.  JC got his through Jim (hd-dude).  So did I and several members here.

Metal Dragon
22336 Meekland Ave
Hayward, CA 94541-4992
(510) 885-9471
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Old Harley Dude on November 18, 2009, 01:39:00 PM
Thanks guys. I'm a newbie, though I'm probably older than most of you, how do I contac hd dude, AKA Jim?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 18, 2009, 02:07:25 PM
Thanks guys. I'm a newbie, though I'm probably older than most of you, how do I contac hd dude, AKA Jim?

Jim's contact info is in the thread Sapper sent you or you could PM him through the site.

I love JC's Corbin I want the two up version with that stitching in Tangerine!!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Old Harley Dude on November 18, 2009, 02:55:47 PM
Thanks again Wheelskneels
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: djkak on November 18, 2009, 10:03:58 PM
The low profile SESG seat doesn’t have a pan reinforced in the same manner as the FLHX does. It looks like this was done to reduce the cross sectional area and lower the saddle height. The SESG seat pan is more flexible than the FLHX.

The SESG seat part number has not been superseded and does not have a letter suffix. Based on the photos and the part number, it is not likely that the seat pan has been modified or reinforced since its introduction in July.

The SESG seat on my FLHX now has 350 miles on it, and so far there is no gap; although a good old fashioned road trip in triple digit heat might very well change that. I like the seat; its comfort; the low profile, and the snub nose design. I could live with or work around a small gap; a gap like Carlos's wouldn't be very amusing, though; time will tell.

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=32923.msg533253#msg533253
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 18, 2009, 10:11:22 PM
I like the seat and the design just need to cover the gap. The seat just needs to be made 2" longer IMHO

I had hoped to keep it for around town rides but its embarassing the way it is?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: JCZ on November 19, 2009, 09:59:15 AM
Jim's contact info is in the thread Sapper sent you or you could PM him through the site.

I love JC's Corbin I want the two up version with that stitching in Tangerine!!

Corbin does a number of different stitch patterns, also.  They have the falmes, tribal, gothic, etc.  By the way, seats without heaters are not usually stitched.  These are heated seats that are stitched.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 19, 2009, 10:30:29 AM
Corbin does a number of different stitch patterns, also.  They have the falmes, tribal, gothic, etc.  By the way, seats without heaters are not usually stitched.  These are heated seats that are stitched.

Sounds like your costing me more money! The wife wants a heated seat already!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Old Harley Dude on November 19, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
 :nixweiss:

I just got off the phone with Wayne at Corbin Factory. I put in an order for their  unheated Classic Solo for my 2010 SESG and after reading the thread about stitching options decided to change my order to a heated seat so I could have some stitching.  He told me that they had to change the glue they use on the seats due to EPA and that their stitching patterns are limited by the new design they went to. He advised me to not get stitching on the seat as it is more comfortable without it. What gives here?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: JCZ on November 19, 2009, 02:19:15 PM
:nixweiss:

I just got off the phone with Wayne at Corbin Factory. I put in an order for their  unheated Classic Solo for my 2010 SESG and after reading the thread about stitching options decided to change my order to a heated seat so I could have some stitching.  He told me that they had to change the glue they use on the seats due to EPA and that their stitching patterns are limited by the new design they went to. He advised me to not get stitching on the seat as it is more comfortable without it. What gives here?

Just trying to make it easy on theirselves.  You could have got your seat cheaper through Jim (hd-dude on this forum).  Cancel your order, call Jim at Metal Dragon  (510) 885-9471.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Myko on November 22, 2009, 08:15:59 AM
Let me report in - 1st day, 300 miles brought it by the dealer. I could see the gap when I sit on it. After about 75 miles, the seat didn't spring back quite as well so I figured I could register my b@#$% on this flimsy seat. Service manager looked and agreed. Figures he could take advantage of the bolt holes in the frame to make a brace under the pan so that the seat doesn't drop into the void above the battery. I think this is a possible fix, but since I'm awaiting my Corbin, kinda defeats my attempt to sell the stock seat once I've replaced it.

Service manager hasn't seen this issue, but agrees that it's BS. Flimsy plastic seat pan with no support. The dealers don't see this as they get so few of these bikes in. He's making the call to the MoCo on Monday, we'll see what the response is and then I'll call if it's a goat rope.

Oh yeah, did I say this was the first day and within 300 miles? I'm 6'1" and just under 190 lbs.  :coolblue:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOTequila on November 22, 2009, 10:21:22 AM
I called customer service about 2 weeks ago, they told me there would be a fix coming out sometime this month......we will see. :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 22, 2009, 11:58:18 AM
Whats the number Ill call too
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOTequila on November 22, 2009, 05:10:50 PM
Whats the number Ill call too

The number for HD Cust. Service is (414) 343-4056
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: jacksglide on November 23, 2009, 12:00:47 PM
Be sure to let us all know if they do come up with a fix. Last week they (H.D. customer service) told me that the ONLY fix they were coming out with was for the ROAD GLIDE ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOTequila on November 23, 2009, 12:20:48 PM
The lady I spoke with said it was also for the SESG, but we will see I guess, I will be gving them a follow up ring pretty soon.
Title: 2010 Street Glide Seats
Post by: 2BWILD on December 26, 2009, 10:46:15 AM
I have a 09 SERG with the stock seat,
Do the 2010 Street Glide seats have the same issue with them pulling away from the tank?
Title: Re: 2010 Street Glide Seats
Post by: Fired00d on December 26, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
I have a 09 SERG with the stock seat,
Do the 2010 Street Glide seats have the same issue with them pulling away from the tank?
The answer to your question is yes. This thread already existed about that issue so I moved/merged your post/thread with it. You may want to read this thread to get more information. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOTequila on December 26, 2009, 12:26:16 PM
Does anyone have a C &C seat on their SESG?  I am getting ready to purchase one (after I see the fabric samples), and I am wondering how they mold the seat pan, and if it will eliminate this gap issue? 
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Fired00d on December 26, 2009, 12:48:57 PM
Does anyone have a C &C seat on their SESG?  I am getting ready to purchase one (after I see the fabric samples), and I am wondering how they mold the seat pan, and if it will eliminate this gap issue? 
Check out this thread - Pics of my new girl (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=43316.0). The pictures in this thread sold me on C&C and I'll be getting one like it first of the year. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: 2010spicedrum on December 26, 2009, 03:44:38 PM
 I have some pics of mine with the C&C  fastback seat on page 5 of the C&C seat thread. They did a great job on it.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: 2010spicedrum on December 26, 2009, 03:49:56 PM
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=43645.60
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 26, 2009, 05:03:27 PM
That seat does look awesome much better than the factory looked.

Not enough back seat for the YL afraid I'd get some Neg feedback. Not talkin bout the Stereo either!

Still Sweet for 1 up cruisin :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on December 30, 2009, 02:03:56 PM
I've been MIA from the site but back up now.  Picked up my TS CVO and looks and runs great.  I weigh 191 LBS and when seated the stock seat pulls back but when I dismount it flexes back into place.  I'm sure it will only get worse therefore looking for a good replacement.  Ideas?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: WestCoastRuss on December 30, 2009, 03:02:31 PM
I've been MIA from the site but back up now.  Picked up my TS CVO and looks and runs great.  I weigh 191 LBS and when seated the stock seat pulls back but when I dismount it flexes back into place.  I'm sure it will only get worse therefore looking for a good replacement.  Ideas?

Mine reacts the same at 176 lbs.  Shows about 1/4" when riding and barely back in place when off the bike.  Seems like most are going to aftermarket seats to fix the moco problem.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on December 30, 2009, 07:25:56 PM
I've been MIA from the site but back up now.  Picked up my TS CVO and looks and runs great.  I weigh 191 LBS and when seated the stock seat pulls back but when I dismount it flexes back into place.  I'm sure it will only get worse therefore looking for a good replacement.  Ideas?

Welcome back to the site.  I hope you had a good homecoming and a good Christmas with the family.  Hope you are enjoying your bike.  I still do not have one yet, but AAFES is supposed to have more in Jan.  I hope to get one before I go on R&R in Feb.  Time to put up some pictures and show the rest of us what you've been up to.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOTequila on December 30, 2009, 11:16:54 PM
Welcome back to the site.  I hope you had a good homecoming and a good Christmas with the family.  Hope you are enjoying your bike.  I still do not have one yet, but AAFES is supposed to have more in Jan.  I hope to get one before I go on R&R in Feb.  Time to put up some pictures and show the rest of us what you've been up to.


Sapper,  haven't heard from you in a while.....Barnett HD in El Paso (Bliss) has one Tequila, come and get it when you get back!!!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on December 31, 2009, 01:42:55 PM

Sapper,  haven't heard from you in a while.....Barnett HD in El Paso (Bliss) has one Tequila, come and get it when you get back!!!

Sometimes work gets in the way of my site time and work has been pretty heavy lately.

It may come down to a fly and ride and the rest of youze doing the shopping for me, but right now I still have a long time to wait things out in the sand box.  I really should know something in a few weeks.  If I don't hear anything by mid to late Jan I may have to light some fires.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOTequila on December 31, 2009, 03:00:33 PM
Sometimes work gets in the way of my site time and work has been pretty heavy lately.

It may come down to a fly and ride and the rest of youze doing the shopping for me, but right now I still have a long time to wait things out in the sand box.  I really should know something in a few weeks.  If I don't hear anything by mid to late Jan I may have to light some fires.


I will keep my eyes open here in El Paso at Barnett HD for you! 
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on December 31, 2009, 05:34:24 PM
Roger, thanks.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on January 14, 2010, 05:06:15 PM
I've been watching this tread for news about a fix for the 2010 SESG. I have also been watching the seat gap get larger. I fear that it is not just a cosmetic problem but a safety issue. So, I took it to my dealer today and he said "known problem, no fix" What can I do now? Please advise.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on January 14, 2010, 06:56:23 PM
UPDATE: Dealer did a follow up call with HD tech services. Seat vendor will have an adapter kit available in about two weeks. Claims all SESG owners will get a notice (not a recall) that kit is available. Poll: What's the Odds?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: WestCoastRuss on January 14, 2010, 07:17:49 PM
UPDATE: Dealer did a follow up call with HD tech services. Seat vendor will have an adapter kit available in about two weeks. Claims all SESG owners will get a notice (not a recall) that kit is available. Poll: What's the Odds?

What's the Cost?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on January 14, 2010, 07:58:44 PM
I ASS-U-ME no cost. I think the fix is only a bracket.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on January 15, 2010, 12:30:07 AM
UPDATE: Dealer did a follow up call with HD tech services. Seat vendor will have an adapter kit available in about two weeks. Claims all SESG owners will get a notice (not a recall) that kit is available. Poll: What's the Odds?

Who is the actual seat vendor?  Haven't been notified yet but not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: JCZ on January 15, 2010, 08:47:45 AM
UPDATE: Dealer did a follow up call with HD tech services. Seat vendor will have an adapter kit available in about two weeks. Claims all SESG owners will get a notice (not a recall) that kit is available. Poll: What's the Odds?

That means about two months.  Gotta be able to understand MoCo speak. :huepfenlol2:

The permanent solution is either a Corbin or C&C seat. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: skyglide on January 15, 2010, 10:07:59 AM
Welcome back to the site.  I hope you had a good homecoming and a good Christmas with the family.  Hope you are enjoying your bike.  I still do not have one yet, but AAFES is supposed to have more in Jan.  I hope to get one before I go on R&R in Feb.  Time to put up some pictures and show the rest of us what you've been up to.
But least you have a good seat for the new ride:huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on January 15, 2010, 11:03:43 AM
That means about two months.  Gotta be able to understand MoCo speak. :huepfenlol2:

The permanent solution is either a Corbin or C&C seat. :2vrolijk_21:

Don't forget Mustang seats. Great seats.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOTequila on January 15, 2010, 12:29:00 PM
That means about two months.  Gotta be able to understand MoCo speak. :huepfenlol2:

The permanent solution is either a Corbin or C&C seat. :2vrolijk_21:


I suggest the C &C !!!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on January 29, 2010, 12:15:54 PM
Has anyone tried putting a couple "bumpers" between the bottom of the seat pan and the frame? I just went to "visit" my new CVO Street Glide and pulled "up" on the bottom of the seat an tried to stick a finger between the seat pan and frame on each side.  The Gap Disapeared before my eyes.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on January 29, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
Talked to my dealer again no response from Harley support yet? That was Monday and he was going to follow up and contact me. Big Surprise my phone still isnt ringing!
 :soapbox:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grc on January 29, 2010, 03:33:52 PM
Has anyone tried putting a couple "bumpers" between the bottom of the seat pan and the frame? I just went to "visit" my new CVO Street Glide and pulled "up" on the bottom of the seat an tried to stick a finger between the seat pan and frame on each side.  The Gap Disapeared before my eyes.

I think that's why some call it a "hammock" seat, since the pan is so flimsy it works like a hammock.  I think I suggested trying bumpers back in the SERG forum when they were all talking about this same seat problem, but have no idea if anyone ever tried it.  Just make sure the bumpers contact the frame and not any other parts like the ECM.

Jerry
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on January 30, 2010, 02:58:41 PM
I think that's why some call it a "hammock" seat, since the pan is so flimsy it works like a hammock.  I think I suggested trying bumpers back in the SERG forum when they were all talking about this same seat problem, but have no idea if anyone ever tried it.  Just make sure the bumpers contact the frame and not any other parts like the ECM.

Jerry

"the Hammock" is a completely different Harley production touring seat. They are not referencing the CVO seat. When replacing the seat with the stock Street Glide seat you can plainly see the seat on the CVO was made 2 inches shorter than the others.

Pictures indicating this are earlier in this topic
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Widows Son on January 30, 2010, 07:11:56 PM
Moved to its own post.

A 1000 miles on the SESG with the stock seat and I noticed something: The seat rubs the corner of the saddle bag lid and there is wear showing. Yup, I'm a bulky guy but I'm wondering from all y'all the following:
 - For those of you that have the stock seat (even the SERG), does the seat rub the saddlebag lid corner or is it is just hefty me?
 - for those of you with the C&C seat, does your seat rub? What is the width in inches of your new seat? I'm thinking between the 2 issues of saddle bag lid rub and the seat gap, I'm going with the C&C, but wonder if I have to give up on width to prevent rub.

My riding comfort is proportional to seat width and I'd hate to give it up. How do the Ultra's manage with a wider seat? Is bag lid rub a common issue?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on January 30, 2010, 07:19:30 PM
A 1000 miles on the SESG with the stock seat and I noticed something: The seat rubs the corner of the saddle bag lid and there is wear showing. Yup, I'm a bulky guy but I'm wondering from all y'all the following:
 - For those of you that have the stock seat (even the SERG), does the seat rub the saddlebag lid corner or is it is just hefty me?
 - for those of you with the C&C seat, does your seat rub? What is the width in inches of your new seat? I'm thinking between the 2 issues of saddle bag lid rub and the seat gap, I'm going with the C&C, but wonder if I have to give up on width to prevent rub.

My riding comfort is proportional to seat width and I'd hate to give it up. How do the Ultra's manage with a wider seat? Is bag lid rub a common issue?
I don't know what you consider bulky, but I'm 6'4" and just over 3 bucks in weight and not getting seat rubbing on either saddle bag lid....so not sure why you are.  :nixweiss:
:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Mr. Wizard on January 30, 2010, 07:55:49 PM
This may be of no help but I'm 195. The only rub I get is when I try to open the lid on the right side. Can't open it without rubbing the seat. Left side has just enough clearance to open.

Don't have enough milk money right now to purchase a new seat but I do love the red flame design above.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on February 01, 2010, 10:44:15 AM
Found a bracket....wonder if this will work

http://www.jpcycles.com/product/820-195
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: jacksglide on February 01, 2010, 11:05:15 AM
Went to the Cleveland bike show this weekend. Harley had a new SESG on display. Same gap and problem. The Harley rep looked at me like I had a third eye in my forehead when I asked him about this issue. NO HELP!! On another note, BOY is this bike screwed up!!! Scuffed, scratched, generally all mared up. It was so bad, you could not see any metal flake in the paint anywhere! So much for the Rum color inside.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on February 01, 2010, 12:29:56 PM
Can someone with a longer bracket chime in on whether or not this fixes the problem......or does it just keep getting worse?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Myko on February 01, 2010, 07:28:48 PM
Went to the Cleveland bike show this weekend. Harley had a new SESG on display. Same gap and problem. The Harley rep looked at me like I had a third eye in my forehead when I asked him about this issue. NO HELP!! On another note, BOY is this bike screwed up!!! Scuffed, scratched, generally all mared up. It was so bad, you could not see any metal flake in the paint anywhere! So much for the Rum color inside.

The bike was in rough shape here at the DC show as well, I could only see it getting worse down the road..
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on February 01, 2010, 09:33:53 PM
The bike was in rough shape here at the DC show as well, I could only see it getting worse down the road..
not sure if it was the same bike up here a couple of weeks back, it was scuffed , chipped , etc.
I am waiting on delivery on my SESG and wondering if the seat issue is a safety concern, sounds like the front pulls out of it's bracket, am I picturing this right? :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on February 01, 2010, 10:13:21 PM
not sure if it was the same bike up here a couple of weeks back, it was scuffed , chipped , etc.
I am waiting on delivery on my SESG and wondering if the seat issue is a safety concern, sounds like the front pulls out of it's bracket, am I picturing this right? :nixweiss:

Yes.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on February 01, 2010, 10:22:34 PM
I can't see why there isn't a recall if it's a safety concern  :confused5:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: jacksglide on February 02, 2010, 07:08:24 AM
A while back I submitted a post on this very subject. I talked directly to one of the engineers at H.D. headquarters. When he pissed me off, I asked about this becoming a saftey issue. His statement was "We currently do NOT have any data to back up your statement that our seat design on the SESG is or may become a saftey issue". I was pretty jacked up at this point and told him I guess some of us will just have to file a class action law suit against Harley when we get hurt because of the seat issue. I mean my seat actually sticks up between my legs, not very comfy for the boys. It did not matter what I tried to say to this guy. He was all peaches and cream untill he figured out I was not talking about a Road Glide seat, but the SESG. He claimed up tighter that all get out then. Actually did NOT want to discuss the issue further. He stated thet Harley has NO ISSUE with the seat on the SESG.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on February 02, 2010, 11:34:33 AM
My dealer offered to give me a Sundowner in exchange. I haven't taken them up on this because if/when there's a fix, I still want a SESG seat. I got my 2nd SESG seat after 1,000 miles, just before Winter hit here in Colorado. So, no miles on the replacement yet. It fits and looks great, but surely will sag as soon as I start riding in the Spring.

My intent is to either buy a Sundowner or Mustang seat and keep exchanging the stock SESG seat under warranty until the factory comes up with a more permanent solution. I hate to buy another seat for this expensive bike. When it's new, the stock seat is more comfortable than most OE Harley seats and looks great. But, when it sags, it looks awful and the front does pull away from any contact with the bike. Dangerous, probably. Annoying, certainly.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on February 02, 2010, 02:12:42 PM
My dealer offered to give me a Sundowner in exchange. I haven't taken them up on this because if/when there's a fix, I still want a SESG seat. I got my 2nd SESG seat after 1,000 miles, just before Winter hit here in Colorado. So, no miles on the replacement yet. It fits and looks great, but surely will sag as soon as I start riding in the Spring.

My intent is to either buy a Sundowner or Mustang seat and keep exchanging the stock SESG seat under warranty until the factory comes up with a more permanent solution. I hate to buy another seat for this expensive bike. When it's new, the stock seat is more comfortable than most OE Harley seats and looks great. But, when it sags, it looks awful and the front does pull away from any contact with the bike. Dangerous, probably. Annoying, certainly.

Agree with your thinking but IMO there will not be a fix going forward. Its the same issue on since 2008 with the release of the 09 SERG. If after 2 years they haven't fixed it don't hold your breath waiting.

The smarter dealers are offering replacement seats for their own customer satisfaction. If you get the offer take the deal in the unlikely event they ever fixed it Buy one.

Mine is hanging on the wall already bought the new sundowner on my own. Had a friend want to buy it for his 08 Ultra fit his bike even worse than mine. I would be embarrassed to offer it for sale.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on February 02, 2010, 11:26:28 PM
Is there a stock Harley Seat that will not only look good but stay in place?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on February 03, 2010, 02:02:53 PM
I have a Sundowner Touring seat for 2 up and the standard Street Glide seat. they both fit fine.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: cwkcpa on February 05, 2010, 11:33:40 AM
Yes, I have the same problem and too am waiting to hear what Harley will do about it.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on February 10, 2010, 08:11:33 PM
My dealer modified the tong on the back of the seat which pushed the seat farther up into the tank.  Haven't had any issues with a gap since. 

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: WestCoastRuss on February 10, 2010, 08:30:25 PM
My dealer modified the tong on the back of the seat which pushed the seat farther up into the tank.  Haven't had any issues with a gap since. 

:devil:

Can you describe the modification or maybe picture of the mod???
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on February 10, 2010, 08:34:38 PM
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=45803.0

I have this bracket in my possession.  I just don't have my bike yet (in heated storage at the Dealer until the snow melts) Would someone please measure the stock bracket I measured this one.
How far apart are the centers of the two holes on the seat side of the stock bracket?  How far apart are the fender hole and the closest seat side hole?

The center of hole A is 2 3/8" from the center of hole B.   The Centers of B and C are 1 9/32" apart.  Hole A is 7/16" in diameter and B & C are each 5/16" diameter.  The entire bracket is 4 11/32" long, 1 inch wide and 1/8" thick.

If someone could give me the same measurements off the stock bracket, we can calculate how far forward this bracket will push the stock seat.  You can't tell by the picture, but this Mustang bracket has a nice chrome finish.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on February 10, 2010, 09:29:00 PM
Can you describe the modification or maybe picture of the mod???

No pic, (the bike's budled up right now).  As far as I know the dealer put a longer tang on, which pushed the seat forward about a half an inch or so...all I know is I've got no cap problem.  They did tell me that when/if the MoCo does come out with a fix, they will perform that fix if I want to have it done.

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Mr. Wizard on February 11, 2010, 04:31:28 PM
Had my SM call tech support today and check on my seat HD service ticket. He asked the guy about the seat bracket fix. After the tech at HD put us on hold, asked one of the engineers, he came back to say...

There will be a bulletin sent out in the next few weeks by the mother ship. Seems that HD is going to supply a fix or a new extended bracket for the seats. Also said they will go quick and for the SM to call back often to reserve mine.

Just a heads up.

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on February 11, 2010, 04:33:22 PM
I'll bet with all the Toyota problems going on, companies are going to be a bit more responsive to these issues :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on February 11, 2010, 08:03:26 PM
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=45803.0

I have this bracket in my possession.  I just don't have my bike yet (in heated storage at the Dealer until the snow melts)  If anyone would like to measure the stock bracket I will measure this one.
How far apart are the centers of the two holes on the seat side of the stock bracket?  How far apart are the fender hole and the closest seat side hole?

The center of hole A is 2 3/8" from the center of hole B.   The Centers of B and C are 1 9/32" apart.  Hole A is 7/16" in diameter and B & C are each 5/16" diameter.  The entire bracket is 4 11/32" long, 1 inch wide and 1/8" thick.

If someone could give me the same measurements off the stock bracket, we can calculate how far forward this bracket will push the stock seat.  You can't tell by the picture, but this Mustang bracket has a nice chrome finish.


Is there NOBODY interested in knowing if this bracket will work and push the seat up far enough?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on February 11, 2010, 08:17:52 PM
I'll bet with all the Toyota problems going on, companies are going to be a bit more responsive to these issues :2vrolijk_21:

We are talking about the MoCo right?  They've essentially had almost a year and a half to fix this issue as it first cropped up in the SERG.  I wouldn't bet that we get a rapid response out of them anytime soon.  As long as no one gets killed or seriously injured because the seat flew off, they won't rush a fix to us anytime soon.

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on February 11, 2010, 11:26:48 PM
Lets look at the number of complaints dealing with this specific issue.  If 3000 RG CVO were made in 2009 and lets say 1000 this year thus far we are only talking about 4000 units.  If you minus the ones who haven't "officially" placed a complaint (like myself) we may be only looking at a very small number.  Given this the MoCo may not "officially" recognize a problem.  We should rally and get as many RG and SG CVO owners to make an "official" complaint and get this properly highlighted.

Anyone know how to actually get the correct folks at the MoCo notified?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on February 12, 2010, 12:47:51 AM

Is there NOBODY interested in knowing if this bracket will work and push the seat up far enough?

There's more to it than just pushing the seat up...
The seat pan is too darn soft/flexible. I think many of us are looking for a redesigned seat pan.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on February 12, 2010, 05:59:46 AM
There's more to it than just pushing the seat up...
The seat pan is too darn soft/flexible. I think many of us are looking for a redesigned seat pan.

And that you may not get.  The MoCo is going to go with, if they go with anything, the cheapest (to them) to fix.  They have consistently used inferior, IMO, seat pan material, causing them to be too flexible. Unfortunately with the SERG and SESG seats being a little shorter and not riding up on the tank as much as the stock RG and SG seats, when the pan flexes downward due to the driver's weight, it causes the separation.  IMO all factory seats do this, it's just that on most of them, they ride up on the tank enough that when they do "settle" in, you don't see a gap.  I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the MoCo to redesign the seat pan anytime soon.

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: cwkcpa on February 12, 2010, 11:59:32 AM
I am having the same problem.  Dealer has notified HD about it but no resolution yet.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on February 13, 2010, 05:08:24 PM
http://www.jpcycles.com/product/820-195

I have this bracket in my possession.  I just don't have my bike yet (in heated storage at the Dealer until the snow melts) Would someone please measure the stock bracket  I measured this one.
How far apart are the centers of the two holes on the seat side of the stock bracket?  How far apart are the fender hole and the closest seat side hole?

Mustang Bracket Measurements
The center of hole A (I almost said "center of A hole"  ;)) is 2 3/8" from the center of hole B.   The Centers of B and C are 1 9/32" apart.  Hole A is 7/16" in diameter and B & C are each 5/16" diameter.  The entire bracket is 4 11/32" long, 1 inch wide and 1/8" thick.

If someone could give me the same measurements off the stock bracket, we can calculate how far forward this bracket will push the stock seat.  You can't tell by the picture, but this Mustang bracket has a nice chrome finish.

Bump.....Still hoping someone will take these measurements for me.   Please.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on February 13, 2010, 05:20:50 PM
a better photo of bracket described above.....
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on February 14, 2010, 12:06:09 AM
Oh, what the ----, I just bought the crapy little bracket.  The chrome plating was flaking off on mine anyway.  Should have it by next week and I'll let you all know if it worked/exact measurements.  I'm in San Antonio so there are no issues with the bike being in a "bubble" somewhere in hibernation  ;D
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on February 14, 2010, 12:14:09 AM
Oh, what the ----, I just bought the crapy little bracket.  The chrome plating was flaking off on mine anyway.  Should have it by next week and I'll let you all know if it worked/exact measurements.  I'm in San Antonio so there are no issues with the bike being in a "bubble" somewhere in hibernation  ;D

That would be great to know if it works.  I was looking for measurements for the STOCK bracket to try and figure that out on my own (without access to the bike).  Exact measurements of the Mustang bracket are posted above. 

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on February 14, 2010, 12:41:05 AM
That would be great to know if it works.  I was looking for measurements for the STOCK bracket to try and figure that out on my own (without access to the bike).  Exact measurements of the Mustang bracket are posted above. 


Alright, just went out to the garage and measured the original bracket.  Using the picture labeled above the measurements are as follows:
Overall length-4 3/4
Center of A to B 1 7/8
Center of B to C 1 1/4

Hope this is what you are looking for  ;)
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on February 14, 2010, 01:05:23 AM
Thank You MKW.  That means the Mustang bracket will move the seat forward 1/2".  I hope it's enough to solve the gap issue.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on February 14, 2010, 01:09:29 AM
Thank You MKW.  That means the Mustang bracket will move the seat forward 1/2".  I hope it's enough to solve the gap issue.

Keep an eye out on this thread and I'll post it for everyone when it comes in.  I attach before and after photos of the gap but this should help a bit.
Mark
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on February 14, 2010, 11:48:58 AM
Thank You MKW.  That means the Mustang bracket will move the seat forward 1/2".  I hope it's enough to solve the gap issue.

Shifting the seat forward removes all the support points on the frame and places the stress of your body weight focused on the single rear bolt. This may cause the bolt to strip from the fender?

Not a fix I would be comfortable with?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on February 14, 2010, 12:08:37 PM
Shifting the seat forward removes all the support points on the frame and places the stress of your body weight focused on the single rear bolt. This may cause the bolt to strip from the fender?

Not a fix I would be comfortable with?

Support under the seat?  Why does the gap appear when you sit on it if there is any support in stock form?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on February 14, 2010, 12:12:03 PM
Support under the seat?  Why does the gap appear when you sit on it if there is any support in stock form?

Due to the seat being made 1.5" to 2" shorter than the other seats.

All the seats retract about a 1/2" there is not gap as they are long enough to allow for this. If they made the Dash an inch longer this seat would fit too?

Shifting the whole seat out of alignment to the frame wouldnt be my first choice. Thats why its hanging on the wall of the garage.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: WestCoastRuss on February 14, 2010, 10:17:50 PM
200 mile ride today...800 miles since new....now the gap is about 3/4" when riding and 1/4" when off the bike.  Its not getting better.....looks as if the aftermarket seat will be my best solution....... :-\
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on February 14, 2010, 11:56:11 PM
So, after reading the last few post I went out to the garage and took a close look at the seat.  With the standard mounting bracket I was able to sit on the seat and put enough downward pressure to pull the front of the seat away from the tongue.  Also, looking at the 1/2 inch forward movement the new bracket would provide does not really affect the original points of contact.  I really do not see this as being a bad fix.  What the MoCo did with the 407/408 Dunlaps seemed more problamatic then pushing the seat forward a 1/2 an inch.  It is unheard of to reverse the direction of travel only to change again but then again, that was discussed at length on another thread.  I'm going with the bracket for now, more to follow once it comes in.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on February 15, 2010, 07:47:35 AM
If the problem with the seat is that it flex's with the riders weight, would it not make more sense to support the entire seat, rather than install a bracket to move the seat forward. The Heritage seat bolts down in three places either side of the seat and on the back, seems like a no brainer to me. :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: worshipduder on February 15, 2010, 10:08:03 AM
So, is it correct to assume aftermarket seats or even other HD 2up seats wont have this same problem? the flaw is in the seat itself?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on February 15, 2010, 12:27:24 PM
So, is it correct to assume aftermarket seats or even other HD 2up seats wont have this same problem? the flaw is in the seat itself?

Yes. it is correct...
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on February 18, 2010, 02:42:09 PM
The Fix is in! Seat Bumper Kit # 54396-10 for 2010 CVO Street Glide. Works with Seat 51955-10A. Is NOT compatible with saddlebag guard rails.
See attachment.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOTequila on February 18, 2010, 02:50:10 PM
And of course it is an accessory, so we have to pony up another 40 bucks. Thanks for the info    :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on February 18, 2010, 02:57:01 PM
The Fix is in! Seat Bumper Kit # 54396-10 for 2010 CVO Street Glide. Works with Seat 51955-10A. Is NOT compatible with saddlebag guard rails.
See attachment.

Are the holes in the frame for the bumpers already drilled in the frame?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on February 18, 2010, 03:04:30 PM
The bumpers attach using the holes for the saddlebag guard rails. So, you can have one or the other: rear guards rails and no fix OR seat bumpers and no guard rails. Or, buy a Corbin or C&C seat and forget the fix, or ...
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grc on February 18, 2010, 03:08:48 PM
Are the holes in the frame for the bumpers already drilled in the frame?

The tapped holes are already there, they are for the rear crash bar installation.  So if you use this kit, you can't install the rear crash bar or saddlebag side rails.

I wonder if this means they plan to use this kit under warranty to "fix" your seat issues, or if they are going to be really cheap and tell you to buy the kit and fix it yourself? 


Jerry
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on February 18, 2010, 03:18:26 PM
The kit is under warranty to "fix" your seat issues, no charge, installed. Have servise order it.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on February 18, 2010, 03:54:57 PM
The kit is under warranty to "fix" your seat issues, no charge, installed. Have servise order it.

So now we are to believe that making the bike fit the seat is a "Fix" Sorry I'm not willing to accept that! If all the stock seats fit the bike without modifying the bike.

Then replacement with a properly manufactured seat is the only acceptable fix! IMO

Perhaps they should take a look at whats going on with Toyota's Brand Image? Get a clue Harley
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: dkflhxse on February 18, 2010, 04:46:57 PM
Hi guys.  Newbie here and awaiting the delivery of my Spiced Rum in late March.  Just wonderin' if the saddlebag guard mounting point might act as a spacer/support and serve the same purpose?  If so, you could go with one or the other or a new seat altogether.  Does anyone have saddlebag guards and stock seat?

Just wonderin'...
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on February 18, 2010, 05:53:39 PM
No,  I had the seat problem with the rear saddlebag guards installed. So, you choose: take the fix and don't get saddlebag guards or buy a Corbin or C&C seat. It's a shame the HD is taking the cheap way out on such an expensive bike. The seat pan was manufactured weak and sags. The right thing to do is manufacture a seat with a new pan and exchange the faulty seat.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on February 18, 2010, 06:12:44 PM
So, I'm trying to figure out how this is supposed to work. Do the "bumpers" hold up the seat pan and keep it from sagging?

As to not being able to use full saddle bag guards, if the SESGs came with them, I think we'd all be bitching because we didn't get the "cool" supports like the SEEGs...
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: TIF2 on February 18, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
Depending on how harde the rubber bumpers are, I don't see any reason why you can't use both. I haven't pulled my seat to see if the mount point is recessed or not (it should be).

I read through the install intructions and didn't see a statement that the "fix" is not compatible with the saddlebag guards.
Did I miss it?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grc on February 18, 2010, 07:17:38 PM
Depending on how harde the rubber bumpers are, I don't see any reason why you can't use both. I haven't pulled my seat to see if the mount point is recessed or not (it should be).

I read through the install intructions and didn't see a statement that the "fix" is not compatible with the saddlebag guards.
Did I miss it? 


Yup, you missed it.


Jerry
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: TIF2 on February 18, 2010, 07:36:44 PM

Yup, you missed it.


Jerry

I'm not old enough for "cheaters".
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

Thanks for making sure I didn't miss the fact that I missed it  :)
I'm not gonna mess with it... a different seat for me. Still sux though.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grc on February 18, 2010, 07:57:49 PM
No,  I had the seat problem with the rear saddlebag guards installed. So, you choose: take the fix and don't get saddlebag guards or buy a Corbin or C&C seat. It's a shame the HD is taking the cheap way out on such an expensive bike. The seat pan was manufactured weak and sags. The right thing to do is manufacture a seat with a new pan and exchange the faulty seat.

 :2vrolijk_21:  :2vrolijk_21:


As I've noted many times on this site, the right thing to do is usually the last thing Harley considers.  And yet people keep begging them to take their money for this kind of crap. :nixweiss: 

BTW, I think I remember suggesting way back that the fix would probably wind up being some kind of bumper between the frame and seat pan.  Unlike some on this site, I'm totally aware of the way H-D management deals with their screwups.  First deny any problem, then claim to be working on it even though it isn't really a problem, then drag it out and hope people go away, and if they don't go away come out with a mickey mouse, cheapest thing possible "fix" that applies a bandaid to the real problem.  Ask the guys with the 2007 CVO110 engines if that statement is wrong.


Jerry
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on February 18, 2010, 08:53:09 PM
RE: Depending on how hard the rubber bumpers are, I don't see any reason why you can't use both. I haven't pulled my seat to see if the mount point is recessed or not (it should be).

The bumpers are not rubber. They are a hard plastic. Perhaps a grove could be milled (drummel). I'm have them installed tomorrow. I'll take pictures and see if there is any room to alter to allow the saddelbags guards.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Fired00d on February 18, 2010, 08:59:23 PM
RE: Depending on how hard the rubber bumpers are, I don't see any reason why you can't use both. I haven't pulled my seat to see if the mount point is recessed or not (it should be).

The bumpers are not rubber. They are a hard plastic. Perhaps a grove could be milled (drummel). I'm have them installed tomorrow. I'll take pictures and see if there is any room to alter to allow the saddelbags guards.
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Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on February 18, 2010, 09:11:47 PM
:jack:...
Not sure if you just prefer "quoting" by putting the text in your post and changing the color or you're not aware of the way the software does it. If the latter is the case take a look at picture below and when you wish to quote a post just click on the button the red arrow is pointing to.

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Wow, Thanks for the tip. I had a tough time this afternoon figuring out how to scan the Instructions for the Seat Bumper kit and then save to a memory stick and open and save to my desktop and the attach to my post. Thanks again for the quote tip.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: sadunbar on February 18, 2010, 09:13:35 PM
That looks like a fix that was the result of a 10 2 minute hallway meeting....

"Why don't we just...."  

"Yeah, o.k., whatever you think"

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Fired00d on February 18, 2010, 09:15:32 PM
Wow, Thanks for the tip. I had a tough time this afternoon figuring out how to scan the Instructions for the Seat Bumper kit and then save to a memory stick and open and save to my desktop and the attach to my post. Thanks again for the quote tip.
You're welcome. :2vrolijk_21: Just remember when you do that to make sure you don't type/put your post inside of the quoted post. Look for [/quote] and type after that.

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Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grc on February 18, 2010, 09:54:38 PM
That looks like a fix that was the result of a 10 2 minute hallway meeting....

"Why don't we just...."  

"Yeah, o.k., whatever you think"



Scott, I think this "fix" was the result of a 10 second meeting between bean counting upper management and the engineer tasked with coming up with a fix.  Been there, done that, bean counters tended to win about 99.8% of the time with no further discussion tolerated.  Ask the folks at Toyota about that method, btw.  It seems to be working really well for them lately (not).

I'll guess that, assuming H-D continues with the same seat design, you will see a running change in the seat pan with two stand-offs molded into the plastic that will contact the frame.  Much cheaper in production than adding a couple bumpers and a couple bolts.  Also much cheaper than a redesign of the pan to eliminate all the flexing.

Jerry
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on February 18, 2010, 10:42:02 PM
Scott, I think this "fix" was the result of a 10 second meeting between bean counting upper management and the engineer tasked with coming up with a fix.  Been there, done that, bean counters tended to win about 99.8% of the time with no further discussion tolerated.  Ask the folks at Toyota about that method, btw.  It seems to be working really well for them lately (not).

I'll guess that, assuming H-D continues with the same seat design, you will see a running change in the seat pan with two stand-offs molded into the plastic that will contact the frame.  Much cheaper in production than adding a couple bumpers and a couple bolts.  Also much cheaper than a redesign of the pan to eliminate all the flexing.

Jerry
Don't forget the drafting of the instructions on how to mount the bumpers  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on February 18, 2010, 11:11:19 PM
Fortunately, I'm not one of those "I told you so" type of people.  Read my post #168 and you'll see I predicted, just like Jerry did, what the MoCo would do for a "fix".  When the accountants run the asylum, the practical and realistic solution will never be made at the expense of profit.

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on February 19, 2010, 02:09:26 AM
If it gets rid of the gap I am happy.  Now I have to buy saddlebag guards so I can figure out how to make both work together.  It can't be that complicated.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on February 19, 2010, 02:42:18 PM
Here is a picture of the Seat Bumper Kit # 54396-10. Note: This kit is NOT compatible with saddlebag guard rails. I call HD customer service and was told this is the only kit available to "fix" the seat. I'm sure one of you guys will machine this or make a better bumper. Please let us know.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on February 19, 2010, 02:43:10 PM
Here is the side view.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: WestCoastRuss on February 19, 2010, 03:33:20 PM
As anyone had to pay for this themselves or are your dealers treating this as a warranty fix?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on February 19, 2010, 04:09:05 PM
As anyone had to pay for this themselves or are your dealers treating this as a warranty fix?

Fix is free with the purchase of a $30,999 motorcycle or bike includes Bumper Seat Kit. :))))
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on February 19, 2010, 09:16:07 PM
Has anyone tried putting a couple "bumpers" between the bottom of the seat pan and the frame? I just went to "visit" my new CVO Street Glide and pulled "up" on the bottom of the seat an tried to stick a finger between the seat pan and frame on each side.  The Gap Disapeared before my eyes.

MOCO must be reading this forum.....they got the idea for the "band-aide fix" from me  :o
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on February 21, 2010, 05:06:17 PM
MOCO must be reading this forum.....they got the idea for the "band-aide fix" from me  :o

Yeah "I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea"
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on February 21, 2010, 05:25:43 PM
Yeah "I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea"
LOL :)))
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on February 25, 2010, 10:48:06 PM
I'm getting the HD fix kit tomorrow-we'll see.  As a back-up I have received the longer seat bracket that will push the seat approx 1" more forward.  More to follow.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: baggy on February 27, 2010, 10:58:39 AM
I wonder if this seat bumper kit is being installed at the factory on new sesg. My bike was built on Feb 5 and I'm taken delivery on Mar 5. I will check and let you know.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Widows Son on February 27, 2010, 04:35:02 PM
I wonder if this seat bumper kit is being installed at the factory on new sesg. My bike was built on Feb 5 and I'm taken delivery on Mar 5. I will check and let you know.

That would require forward thinking and quick response and execution on MoCo's behalf - history tells me it ain't happen'n. Unlikely that the assembly folks know anything about this as it would require a change to the SOPs (Standard Operating Procedures) used in the assembly line (i.e. connect part A to Part B using screw C). To edit these sheets, would require a complete engineering review and hierarchical sign-off which would take as long as the fix itself (2 yrs? Remember this was a problem in the ’09 SERG) - not to mention a legal review. Maybe I'm too cynical…hope I’m wrong.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: hdnik on March 01, 2010, 07:41:19 AM
FYI, my spiced rum was built Feb 8th, 2010. It just landed at the dealership last week. Had a look under the seat and.... NO SEAT BUMPERS. My dealer ordered the kit for me and is a no charge service bulletin repair. Thank you all for the heads up on this issue. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grc on March 01, 2010, 08:39:21 AM
That would require forward thinking and quick response and execution on MoCo's behalf - history tells me it ain't happen'n. Unlikely that the assembly folks know anything about this as it would require a change to the SOPs (Standard Operating Procedures) used in the assembly line (i.e. connect part A to Part B using screw C). To edit these sheets, would require a complete engineering review and hierarchical sign-off which would take as long as the fix itself (2 yrs? Remember this was a problem in the ’09 SERG) - not to mention a legal review. Maybe I'm too cynical…hope I’m wrong.


To us really cynical folks, you are just stating fact based on years of observation of the MoCo.  I wouldn't call your statement cynical at all. 

I don't believe you will ever see H-D add those parts in production.  You might see them make a change to the molded plastic seat pan to "build in" bumpers, or you might see them eliminate that seat design after this model year and try again, with perhaps a more qualified person doing the design work this time.  A one time tooling change to a plastic mold is a lot cheaper than adding parts and labor in the assembly plant.


Jerry
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on March 01, 2010, 11:51:32 AM
This whole seat issue is just frustrating >:( 
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on March 03, 2010, 06:57:05 PM
My dealer had trouble ordering the bumper kit. I called HD Cust. Service and was transferred to "Advanced Care." A very nice guy did some checking and a small batch was shipped early. New batch on the way, available for dealer order on 3/15.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on March 03, 2010, 07:45:53 PM
Mine are installed, but I won't have the bike at home for another week or two.  Will let you all know when I see it how they work out if nobody else reports before then.  I still have the longer seat bracket if it needs to go forward another 1/2".
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on March 03, 2010, 08:00:43 PM
I installed the seat fix two weeks ago and have put 600 miles in the saddle. No more gap, works fine.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: TIF2 on March 03, 2010, 09:44:54 PM
No more gap, works fine.

Unless you have saddle-bag guards.

A big  :2vrolijk_21: to the MoCo for not spending 2 more hours addressing this issue and designing around core P&A.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grc on March 04, 2010, 12:47:40 PM
Unless you have saddle-bag guards.

A big  :2vrolijk_21: to the MoCo for not spending 2 more hours addressing this issue and designing around core P&A.


Wouldn't have taken ten more minutes, rather than two hours.  Notch the bottom of the "bumper" to clear the guards, but then you would need a washer or insert to eliminate the gap if there was no guard installed.  That would add two more parts to the kit, something I'm sure they didn't want to do since this was supposed to be a cheap (emphasis CHEAP) fix rather than a good fix.

If anyone wants to add the guards, it should be a piece of cake to carve out the necessary clearance. 


Jerry
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: hdnik on March 04, 2010, 03:59:15 PM
My Dealer tried to order, but the part number is not listed with Deeley (Canadian Importer). He's working on it.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on March 04, 2010, 04:05:04 PM
My Dealer tried to order, but the part number is not listed with Deeley (Canadian Importer). He's working on it.

Read my post on the previous page. Your dealer's parts guy will NOT find a part number. Service will need to order through Tech Services using the Kit # on the instruction sheet  posted in this thread. The kit will be available for order on March 15th. First batch is all gone...
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: WestCoastRuss on March 04, 2010, 04:11:48 PM
Read my post on the previous page. Your dealer's parts guy will NOT find a part number. Service will need to order through Tech Services using the Kit # on the instruction sheet  posted in this thread. The kit will be available for order on March 15th. First batch is all gone...

My dealer couldn't find this today either but I gave him this info.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: smenard415 on March 08, 2010, 12:19:31 PM
Greetings,

Interloper from the S/E Roadglide group here.  So the question is, and I can't get the part either and I work part-time at a dealer, who got the first batch and how??  I've had a complaint in about my seat since I first got my S/E Roadglide in Nov. 2008.   When we talked to Harley they claimed that they didn't know what we were talkin' about.  We gave them the number and a copy of the install directions.

Oh well, just venting.  The bikes only cost $30,000 why should HD give a chit!!!

SteveM
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on March 08, 2010, 07:30:09 PM
My Dealer tried to order, but the part number is not listed with Deeley (Canadian Importer). He's working on it.
See post #196 by grc
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on March 09, 2010, 07:39:42 PM
Went to the Harley Display at Riverfront in Daytona, Pointed out to the Rep that every bike displayed had the substandard seat. He gave me a card and tole me they would exchange mine under warranty. stated there was a new longer seat. Also told me of the support bumpers. I shared with him my dissatisfaction on that approach, modifying my bike to fit a seat is unacceptable.
I already have purchased 2 seats that fit how will they be affected by the "Fix" to the poorly designed seat?

Any way calling Customer service with the reference to the representative's information and I'll post the results.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on March 09, 2010, 07:46:12 PM
Went to the Harley Display at Riverfront in Daytona, Pointed out to the Rep that every bike displayed had the substandard seat. He gave me a card and tole me they would exchange mine under warranty. stated there was a new longer seat. Also told me of the support bumpers. I shared with him my dissatisfaction on that approach, modifying my bike to fit a seat is unacceptable.
I already have purchased 2 seats that fit how will they be affected by the "Fix" to the poorly designed seat?

Any way calling Customer service with the reference to the representative's information and I'll post the results.

A new, longer seat would be news. I doubt it's true, but if you can confirm...
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: BLU Bike on March 09, 2010, 08:02:56 PM
Has anyone tried to install a riders backrest with the stock seat? I had the dealer install the adjustable riders backrest and the slot in the stock seat is to far back. It wouldn't work so the put on a few seats to try but the only one that worked (aligned with slot) was a big ugly seat. They tried a stock '10 SG seat but it was wrong then when I got home I tried my wife's '08 SG stock seat and it works OK so that's what I got on now. It looks decent but I don't want to spend big $ to get the stock SESG seat modified because the factory didn't get this right. The adjustable bracket is what is listed by Harley to fit??? :confused5:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on March 09, 2010, 09:37:46 PM
Has anyone tried to install a riders backrest with the stock seat? I had the dealer install the adjustable riders backrest and the slot in the stock seat is to far back. It wouldn't work so the put on a few seats to try but the only one that worked (aligned with slot) was a big ugly seat. They tried a stock '10 SG seat but it was wrong then when I got home I tried my wife's '08 SG stock seat and it works OK so that's what I got on now. It looks decent but I don't want to spend big $ to get the stock SESG seat modified because the factory didn't get this right. The adjustable bracket is what is listed by Harley to fit??? :confused5:

I put the non-adjustable riders backrest on mine, and there were no fitment issues with the slot in the seat being to far back...must be something different with adjustable backrest bracket.  :nixweiss:

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: warwick on March 10, 2010, 12:12:17 PM
Was at a dealership today and looked at a SESG with the stock seat.  It also struck me that the slot appeared to be placed too far behind the seat`s back support.

Could anyone with access to stock SG and SESG seats put them side by side and actually measure if the seat slots are located different?

Thanks
warwick

  
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: BLU Bike on March 10, 2010, 12:42:27 PM
I have a stock '08 SG and stock '10 SESG seat at home and I'll do this and post. The dealer tried a '10 SG seat and it didn't work so it seems that the '08SG and'10Sg seat have differences.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on March 10, 2010, 03:30:50 PM
Has anyone tried to install a riders backrest with the stock seat? I had the dealer install the adjustable riders backrest and the slot in the stock seat is to far back. It wouldn't work so the put on a few seats to try but the only one that worked (aligned with slot) was a big ugly seat. They tried a stock '10 SG seat but it was wrong then when I got home I tried my wife's '08 SG stock seat and it works OK so that's what I got on now. It looks decent but I don't want to spend big $ to get the stock SESG seat modified because the factory didn't get this right. The adjustable bracket is what is listed by Harley to fit??? :confused5:

This conversation prompted me to finally bite the bullet and order a Mustang Solo w/ built-in backrest and matching 13.5" pillion. Will post pictures asap...
I have the seat "fix" bumpers on order, but will probably store them with the stock seat for the "next guy." Strongly considering full rear crash guards to protect the bags in case of a tip over and that wouldn't work with the seat fix kit anyway.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: BLU Bike on March 11, 2010, 07:50:24 PM
Here is a picture of a '08 SG seat and a '10 SESG seat the cutout is 1.5" further back on the '10 SESG seat and the pan is different also which adds to the riders adjustable backrest not fitting properly on with the '10 SESG seat.

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: BLU Bike on March 11, 2010, 07:56:52 PM
A pic of the '10 SESG seat on bike with adjustable backrest mounted.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on March 11, 2010, 11:35:51 PM
I have the Adjustable Mounting Hardware installed, but not a backrest yet.  This photo is in the full back position:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on March 11, 2010, 11:38:09 PM
This photo is after I installed the Mustang Seat Bracket http://www.jpcycles.com/product/820-195 that I bought before the dealer had a fix for the gap issue.  It pushes the seat forward about a half inch.  Again this is in the Full Back Position:
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Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on March 11, 2010, 11:39:41 PM
It didn't eliminate the problem, but helped a little and the difference in seat position is non-perceptable to me (6'3", 34" inseam).  I wonder why the grab strap doesn't cover the slot?
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Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on March 12, 2010, 01:25:46 AM
A pic of the '10 SESG seat on bike with adjustable backrest mounted.

In that photo is the backrest pushed back as far as it goes?  Or all the way forward?  can the backrest even be pushed forward for passenger mount and dismount?
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Post by: BLU Bike on March 12, 2010, 07:36:43 AM
In the photo the backrest was moved forward about half way which is where I can sit comfortably. I removed the stock seat and put on my wife's '08 SG seat on as she has a solo seat on her bike. It looks good and the slot in the seat is in good alignment, I'll take a picture of it on the bike with the backrest in the riding position and post it. When I was at the dealer they tried a stock '10 SG seat but it didn't align well so the put on a HD Sundowner seat but the back pad portion is huge and IMO looked wrong.
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Post by: skreminegul07 on March 12, 2010, 01:25:27 PM
Here is a picture of a '08 SG seat and a '10 SESG seat the cutout is 1.5" further back on the '10 SESG seat and the pan is different also which adds to the riders adjustable backrest not fitting properly on with the '10 SESG seat.



Those two years were different frames, so not much can be derived from a comparison. 
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Post by: ScreaminStreetGlide on March 12, 2010, 02:13:24 PM
I've done what I can as far as the stock seat goes and am still not happy.  I just did something completely out of character for me.  I went with function over form instead of my usual form over function and ordered a Sun Ray heated seat.  The wife will be thrilled.
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Post by: BLU Bike on March 12, 2010, 05:46:47 PM
I know the frame changed in '09 and the seat as well because the '10 SG seat did not align as well as the '08 SG seat. I do not have a '10 SG seat but I wanted to show that the '08 would work with an adjustable riders backrest. I may do the same and breakdown to order a custom seat so I can use the adjustable backrest as I am not comfortable riding without one since I had spinal surgery in '03. With the adjustable I have no problems with lower back pain but now that Harley didn't design the stock SESG seat or maybe the adjustable bracket that would align I have seat pain :(
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Post by: CVOBros2 on March 13, 2010, 11:17:23 AM
After reading this thread I went and looked at my seat and noticed what everyone was talking about.  Yesterday at my dealer I sat on and looked at the standard Street Glide seat and I have to say I like it much better than the SESG seat!  It was more firm, fit better, and gave me some added leg room that the low slung SESG seat doesn't.  I'm considering buying a standard seat or even the Tall Boy seat for comfort, which sucks after paying this much for a bike!!!   :confused5: :soapbox:
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Post by: michaelbmenaker on March 13, 2010, 11:22:20 AM
After reading this thread I went and looked at my seat and noticed what everyone was talking about.  Yesterday at my dealer I sat on and looked at the standard Street Glide seat and I have to say I like it much better than the SESG seat!  It was more firm, fit better, and gave me some added leg room that the low slung SESG seat doesn't.  I'm considering buying a standard seat or even the Tall Boy seat for comfort, which sucks after paying this much for a bike!!!   :confused5: :soapbox:

Sounds like you're tall. Just noticed that Mustang has two new seats. One moves you back 1.25", the other 1.75"...
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Post by: CVOBros2 on March 13, 2010, 11:35:57 AM
It's not that I'm so tall. It's just my previous bike was a FLSTSB Cross Bones and it was a very comfortable bike, once you got used to the Mini-apes and the very tall sprung seat.  If you have never sat on a Cross Bones, set on one and see why I feel much more cramped up on the SESG.
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Post by: BLU Bike on March 13, 2010, 07:53:34 PM
If you find a take off seat for sale it might be less $. I plan on keeping the '08 SG seat as it fits better with the adjustable riders backrest.
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Post by: MKW on March 13, 2010, 10:05:32 PM
I installed the seat fix two weeks ago and have put 600 miles in the saddle. No more gap, works fine.

Got my seat bumper kit installed and used a longer rear mounting bracket and it looks good while off the bike but there is still a small gap while mounted.  I'm going to look for an aftermarket seat.  Anyone got some suggestions?
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on March 18, 2010, 10:04:08 PM
Well in spite of what they told me in Daytona about a longer seat available they are insisting my dealer install the seat supports to my frame first. Then if there is still an issue ( as I know there will be) They will move froward from there. No significant plan they are saving a dime to lose a dollar. they should have built it correctly in the first place. There is no excuse that all the bikes in their displays at Bike week were all sporting poorly fit seats. Their supposedly Elite CVO products There is no way in my business I would allow something this obviously wrong to reach my clients?

I guess there is no pride in workmanship involved at the MOCO?
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Post by: Sun Devil on March 22, 2010, 03:03:58 PM
Notch the bottom of the "bumper" to clear the guards, but then you would need a washer or insert to eliminate the gap if there was no guard installed.

Has anyone done this?
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Post by: catahoula58 on March 22, 2010, 06:21:08 PM
Has anyone done this?

Being an Engineer myself you would think that the HD engineers which n ot sure of their age or experience would have thought of this.  But it seems that there is definately a lack of forsight and expereince in the HD facility! 

PS:  I build airplanes for a living and we always look for ways to accomodate situations where 2 parts are being mounted.

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Post by: catahoula58 on March 22, 2010, 06:24:22 PM
Has anyone done this?

I build airplanes for a living and have done so for the past 30 plus years.  IT seems that HD is lacking the forsight and experience to see that this issue might arise.  But like other issues on this bike how much is done by people with experience and knowledge?  I see this all the time in the Aerospace industry and more so now that so much of our american engineering is being outsourced and their is the lack of communication and ability to really look forward. 
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Post by: baggy on March 22, 2010, 08:29:06 PM
I also are thinking about an after market seat. We the wife and I find the stock seat uncomfortable on long trips and I have the gap problem too. Has anyone tried the sundowner deep bucket seat Part # 51630-09A? Does it change the rider position and how comfortable is it for both rider and passenger?Also can you use the stock passenger back rest? The dealer will change the seat for the gap problem for the same seat. I said I would pay the difference between the two seats but they said no. It has to be replaced under warranty with the same stock seat. Go figure.
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Post by: michaelbmenaker on March 22, 2010, 10:15:05 PM
I also are thinking about an after market seat. We the wife and I find the stock seat uncomfortable on long trips and I have the gap problem too. Has anyone tried the sundowner deep bucket seat Part # 51630-09A? Does it change the rider position and how comfortable is it for both rider and passenger?Also can you use the stock passenger back rest? The dealer will change the seat for the gap problem for the same seat. I said I would pay the difference between the two seats but they said no. It has to be replaced under warranty with the same stock seat. Go figure.

I asked earlier on this forum about Sundowner vs. Mustang seats. The response was 100% for the Mustang. I just got a Mustang solo w/rider backrest and matching 13.5" pillion and couldn't be happier. According to those who know, after a year or two, the Sundowner foam packs down. I've had 3 Mustang seats before, and am sure that I'll be happy with the new one for years and years. Not cheap, but what is?
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Post by: baggy on March 23, 2010, 07:29:55 AM
Thanks for the reply, I'm going to look at the mustang seats online. Do you know which model it is and how does it look on the bike?
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Post by: hdnik on March 23, 2010, 08:33:19 AM
Found this in a road glide thread. The Service Bulletin M1269 regarding seat gap issue dated March 11, 2010. My Dealer was struggling getting info from Deeley Imports (Canadian MoCo Distributor)... he should have no trouble now.

See attached pdf
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Post by: HDDOCFL on March 23, 2010, 08:46:00 AM
Found this in a road glide thread. The Service Bulletin M1269 regarding seat gap issue dated March 11, 2010. My Dealer was struggling getting info from Deeley Imports (Canadian MoCo Distributor)... he should have no trouble now.

See attached pdf



The SERG seats are on backorder and with no shipping date as of Fri.  Doc
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Post by: baggy on March 23, 2010, 09:51:41 AM
My bike was built on Feb 5 and there is no bumper kit. My dealer was also having a problem with Deeley imports. Thanks I will forward this service bulletin to my dealer.
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Post by: baggy on March 23, 2010, 10:10:40 AM
I just checked my VIN and it is after the VIN stated in the service bulletin, but no bumper kit. Harley Davidson are mixed up on the VINs. So from the bulletin it sounds like if you have tried the bumper kit and a new stock seat and there is still a gap, they will give you a seat from P&A department.
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Post by: Sun Devil on March 23, 2010, 10:42:15 AM
Thank You HDDOCFL , for posting the Service Bulletin. In order to receive the Seat Bumper Kit "FIX", I had to remove my rear saddlebag guards, as the bumper "FIX"
will not fit with the guards installed. Thanks again for your posting of the service bulletin.
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Post by: michaelbmenaker on March 23, 2010, 01:25:48 PM
Thanks for the reply, I'm going to look at the mustang seats online. Do you know which model it is and how does it look on the bike?

It's this seat 15" Solo With Driver Backrest Only
#79100 - 15" Solo with Driver Backrest Only Road King 1997-2007, FL Screamin' Eagle 1997-2005 & FLHX Street Glide 2006-2007 15" Solo with Backrest...

You can see some pics of my seat installed on this thread http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=47294.0 The pillion shown is the 13.5"
I just ordered a 8.5" pillion pad to use with the low sissy bar when I'm not riding two up. I can heartily recommend the Mustang driver's backrest as well. It's easily adjustable while you're riding and folds flat for easy on/off the bike.
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on March 23, 2010, 02:48:21 PM
I also are thinking about an after market seat. We the wife and I find the stock seat uncomfortable on long trips and I have the gap problem too. Has anyone tried the sundowner deep bucket seat Part # 51630-09A? Does it change the rider position and how comfortable is it for both rider and passenger?Also can you use the stock passenger back rest? The dealer will change the seat for the gap problem for the same seat. I said I would pay the difference between the two seats but they said no. It has to be replaced under warranty with the same stock seat. Go figure.

We are using the Sundowner and find it very comfortable! the rider does sit about 1" higher than the SESG seat. We also have the stock Street Glide Seat for solo and it sits about the same as the stock SESG seat. Both fit properly without the gap issues.

Dealer has bumper kit on order should be in this week. We will continue to use the Sundowner for 2 up riding.
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Post by: hdnik on March 23, 2010, 07:12:06 PM
I just checked my VIN and it is after the VIN stated in the service bulletin, but no bumper kit. Harley Davidson are mixed up on the VINs. So from the bulletin it sounds like if you have tried the bumper kit and a new stock seat and there is still a gap, they will give you a seat from P&A department.

Here is the email i got from my dealer today after i sent him the bulletin.

Good Morning Nick;
 
   Got your e-mail regarding the service bulletin about the seat gap issue with your bike. I have ordered you a bumper kit for your new bike, that should take care of this issue. The kits have not arrived at Deeley's Concord office, but when they do get to Canada, your kit will be here the very next day. We will call you when they come in.
Thanks,
Al
Service Manager
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Post by: WestCoastRuss on March 23, 2010, 07:20:15 PM
I have an appointment this Thursday for my 1000 mile service.  Dealer called and informed me that he ordered the bumper kit after the 15th but it wouldn't be shipped to him until after the 30th of this month.  If I've been waiting for 6 months for the fix I guess another couple of weeks won't make much difference.   :nixweiss:
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Post by: baggy on March 23, 2010, 07:35:39 PM
I forwarded the service bulletin to my dealer today. I received an email back that said the kit was back ordered from deeley and they would call me when it comes in.
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Post by: MKW on March 25, 2010, 08:44:49 AM
Had the bumper kit installed and still no fix.  Talked to two HD dealers in SA TX and neither one had any idea of the problem which I quickly educated them on.  They (one of them) will look at the bike today and "confirm" my problem and then order the replacement seat.  More to follow for sure.....................
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Post by: Old Harley Dude on March 25, 2010, 10:21:38 AM
Had the same problem with my OEM seat on my SGSE.  Dealer got a replacement seat (just another of the same design). Put it on and it sagged 1" first time on it. I decided to go with Corbin Solo Classic with removable pillion. Looks great and rides the same.
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Post by: MKW on March 25, 2010, 01:57:39 PM
Had the same problem with my OEM seat on my SGSE.  Dealer got a replacement seat (just another of the same design). Put it on and it sagged 1" first time on it. I decided to go with Corbin Solo Classic with removable pillion. Looks great and rides the same.

thanks but that is what I expected.  I'm looking at a C&C seat in addition to trying to get the OEM fixed.  Before I buy a new seat I'm going to a local custom shop here in San Antonio and see one of the guys who does excellant seat work (at least from what I've seen at the recent bike show here).  I have a Corbin on my 2003 and love it but I'm looking for a softer seat this time around.
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on March 26, 2010, 02:14:56 PM
Beware softer generally = back pain
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Post by: MKW on March 26, 2010, 02:21:48 PM
Just an update.  My local dealership has ordered me the replacement seat after inspecting things and convincing themself that the bumper kit didn't work.  The seat is on backorder and not sure when I'll actually get it but unless I'm really lucky I expect it not to correct the problem.
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Post by: Sun Devil on March 30, 2010, 03:26:57 PM
My Las Vegas dealer order new seat 51995-10A on 3/25 received 3/29. The pan is much stronger, no sag. Finally fixed and I can use my saddlebag guards. :orange:
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Post by: CVOBros2 on March 30, 2010, 10:41:31 PM
My Las Vegas dealer order new seat 51995-10A on 3/25 received 3/29. The pan is much stronger, no sag. Finally fixed and I can use my saddlebag guards. :orange:


Hey Sun Devil is the new seat the same CVO seat that we have now, just an upgraded version to fix all this seats problems or is it a totally different seat(looks different)?  I can't tell from the picture of the underside, of course I haven't taken my seat off yet to look at it from that angle either, lol  :D  Do you have any pics of the new seat on the bike to see the gap fixed?
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Post by: Sun Devil on March 30, 2010, 11:51:23 PM
The new 'A" seat looks exactly like the original, except the pan is stiffer. I'm not sure if it's a new pan design or if they just reinforced the original seat pan with a fiberglass mesh or some other chit. At any rate, it appears that this fixes the gap problem. Unless, it fails to hold up after some road time.
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Post by: Sapper6 on March 31, 2010, 05:01:11 PM
My Las Vegas dealer order new seat 51995-10A on 3/25 received 3/29. The pan is much stronger, no sag. Finally fixed and I can use my saddlebag guards. :orange:


Well this topic seems to keep coming up with all kinds of surprises. :nixweiss:

Who would have thought that HD would come up with this half hearted bumper fix AND a revised seat?

Devil,  did you have to prove you had a gap in your seat to have them order the new revised one? 

I would be very interested in trying to get this revised seat before I half to mess with the older one if at all possible.
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Post by: Sun Devil on March 31, 2010, 05:34:21 PM
I had to go the long route. Over the first few months the gap grew larger and the dealer did not have any fix. Then the MoCo came up with the bumper fix, which almost works (small gap remains) however, I had to remove my saddlebag guards (saddlebag guards will not work with bumpers, it's one or the other). I called MOCo customer service and was told the bumpers is the fix and that no new bumpers would be issued that will work with Saddlebag guards and now new seat was announced. Then one of the guys on this site posted a service bulletin  about a new seat. It seems as if the Moco wants everyone to get the bumbers first and if your not happy then they will send the new seat. I complained that I had to remove my guards and I wanted a new seat. Got it in three working days. Now it needs to be road tested. Should we "ASS-U-ME" the new bikes have the new seat???
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Post by: WestCoastRuss on March 31, 2010, 05:40:05 PM
I had to go the long route. Over the first few months the gap grew larger and the dealer did not have any fix. Then the MoCo came up with the bumper fix, which almost works (small gap remains) however, I had to remove my saddlebag guards (saddlebag guards will not work with bumpers, it's one or the other). I called MOCo customer service and was told the bumpers is the fix and that no new bumpers would be issued that will work with Saddlebag guards and now new seat was announced. Then one of the guys on this site posted a service bulletin  about a new seat. It seems as if the Moco wants everyone to get the bumbers first and if your not happy then they will send the new seat. I complained that I had to remove my guards and I wanted a new seat. Got it in three working days. Now it needs to be road tested. Should we "ASS-U-ME" the new bikes have the new seat???


Does anyone have a copy of this "seat" service bulletin?  (Not the bumper service bulletin)
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Post by: Sun Devil on March 31, 2010, 06:10:50 PM
See Attached Service Bulletin. I printed a copy and took it to service.
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Post by: WestCoastRuss on March 31, 2010, 06:39:56 PM
See Attached Service Bulletin. I printed a copy and took it to service.

Exactly what I need..........Thanks :2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: Badger Mike on April 02, 2010, 10:54:24 AM
I was hoping that the seat issue was isolated to either "hum" larger riders, or earlier bikes.  Unfortunatey, I put my first 300 miles on mine yesterday and when I got home, looked at the seat and there was the gap.  We'll see if my dealer will play ball on this.  Thanks everyone for sharing this information, I'm sure it will help when I talk to the dealer.
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Post by: Badger Mike on April 02, 2010, 02:42:44 PM
Just talked to my dealer, they are making me go with the bumper kit first before they can order a new seat.  What a wasted of their time and my time >:(  That means two trips to the dealer to fix the same problem, as there is no way I'm going to settle for the bumper fix when they have a new seat out to fix the problem!  Frustrating >:(
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Post by: dustingaunder on April 02, 2010, 08:54:25 PM
I had to go the long route. Over the first few months the gap grew larger and the dealer did not have any fix. Then the MoCo came up with the bumper fix, which almost works (small gap remains) however, I had to remove my saddlebag guards (saddlebag guards will not work with bumpers, it's one or the other). I called MOCo customer service and was told the bumpers is the fix and that no new bumpers would be issued that will work with Saddlebag guards and now new seat was announced. Then one of the guys on this site posted a service bulletin  about a new seat. It seems as if the Moco wants everyone to get the bumbers first and if your not happy then they will send the new seat. I complained that I had to remove my guards and I wanted a new seat. Got it in three working days. Now it needs to be road tested. Should we "ASS-U-ME" the new bikes have the new seat???


Don't assume.  I picked my bike up a week ago today and it had the bumpers already installed from the factory and the seat pan is a flimsy POS.
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Post by: Sun Devil on April 02, 2010, 09:19:36 PM
That's really disappointing. $31,000 bike and the MoCo is still using the bumper "fix" on new deliveries. :-\
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Post by: chopper roy on April 07, 2010, 06:16:57 PM
My brother in law gave me his 2009 street glide seat (brand new) fits great and looks great, and no gap. We'll have to see how it rides. Thoughts anybody?
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Post by: BLU Bike on April 07, 2010, 08:09:53 PM
I installed my wife's '08 SG seat and then the matching riders backrest and tour pack backrest. I like the look but I always use an airhawk pad which I bought for long trips and once I used it I never go without it so I can't say if the seat is comfortable on it's own. 
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Post by: michaelbmenaker on April 07, 2010, 08:16:11 PM
I had to go the long route. Over the first few months the gap grew larger and the dealer did not have any fix. Then the MoCo came up with the bumper fix, which almost works (small gap remains) however, I had to remove my saddlebag guards (saddlebag guards will not work with bumpers, it's one or the other). I called MOCo customer service and was told the bumpers is the fix and that no new bumpers would be issued that will work with Saddlebag guards and now new seat was announced. Then one of the guys on this site posted a service bulletin  about a new seat. It seems as if the Moco wants everyone to get the bumbers first and if your not happy then they will send the new seat. I complained that I had to remove my guards and I wanted a new seat. Got it in three working days. Now it needs to be road tested. Should we "ASS-U-ME" the new bikes have the new seat???


By chance did you get a photo of the bike with the saddle bag guards?
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Post by: Sun Devil on April 07, 2010, 11:09:19 PM
Attached photo with saddlebag guards installed. I did not do this to make the bike look better. I was on a HOG ride (40 bikes) in Death Valley going up to a view point, twisty and 15% grade. Two bikes tipped over at 5 mph. The one with guards had no damage, the one without guards cracked his saddle bag.
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Post by: CruisinEagle on April 08, 2010, 12:32:27 AM
My bike will arrive at the dealer in a week or so (shipped from the US a month ago). I will assume it will come with the bumper fix as the VIN is after the one mentioned in the service bulletin. Installing saddlebag guards is something I`m considering and I would not like to be prevented to do that because of the bumper fix. I wonder if or when the MoCo has started to install the new seat on the assembly line?  :nixweiss:
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Post by: hdnik on April 08, 2010, 09:22:37 AM
Recieved the Bumper Kit this week. Installed them and problem gone! They really do put an amount of pressure under the seat pan. Actually made the re-installation of the seat at the front a bit of a challenge. I'm extremely happy with this bike... my goodness it wonderful to ride, so comfortable, so powerful... so much tighter than any other Harley i've had.
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Post by: michaelbmenaker on April 08, 2010, 12:56:44 PM
Attached photo with saddlebag guards installed. I did not do this to make the bike look better. I was on a HOG ride (40 bikes) in Death Valley going up to a view point, twisty and 15% grade. Two bikes tipped over at 5 mph. The one with guards had no damage, the one without guards cracked his saddle bag.

Thanks for the pics. I intend to do the same, for the reasons you mention.
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Post by: Sun Devil on April 08, 2010, 01:57:39 PM
Hello CruisinEagle,
When you pick up the motorcycle you must complain about the seat bumpers and insist that you want to install saddlebag guards. I will be on holiday in Norway in the middle of June. Two week forde cruise then one week car rental to vist family in Oslo and Elverum. Odin Rules!

Hei CruisinEagle,
Når du plukker opp motorsykkelen må du klage på setet støtfangere og insisterer på at du vil installere saddlebag vakter. Jeg vil være på ferie i Norge i midten av juni. To ukers Førde cruise deretter en uke leiebiler til Vist familie i Oslo og Elverum. Odin Regler!
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Post by: BLU Bike on April 10, 2010, 08:46:35 PM
Here's a picture of my SESG with a "08 SG seat with matching riders backrest pad and tour pack pad, which worked with the riders adjustable backrest.

(http://)
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Post by: mjb765 on April 10, 2010, 09:44:23 PM
Does anybody have a pic of the bumper setup without the seat installed. I would like to see exactly where they are putting them.
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Post by: FUNGOUL on April 10, 2010, 09:50:40 PM
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Post by: FUNGOUL on April 10, 2010, 09:51:18 PM
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Post by: FUNGOUL on April 10, 2010, 09:51:48 PM
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Post by: mjb765 on April 10, 2010, 09:52:59 PM
Thanks...that does suck. I already have saddlebag guards on my bike and I'm not giving them up. I would have added them if it was no big deal, (just in case)  but it's a good thing I replaced the seat already too.
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Post by: RedDevil on April 11, 2010, 06:10:06 PM
Thanks...that does suck. I already have saddlebag guards on my bike and I'm not giving them up. I would have added them if it was no big deal, (just in case)  but it's a good thing I replaced the seat already too.

I looked at the bumpers before they installed them on my SESG yesterday, and one could easily take a dremmel and make a 1/8 to 1/4" groove to fit over the saddle bag guard mount. The bumpers are bigger than I thought and heavy-duty plastic.   My dealer left the longer seat tang on that he had put on earlier and now my seat rides nicely up on the tank...no gap at all. We'll see how long it lasts...

:devil:
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on April 11, 2010, 09:22:41 PM
Been 2 weeks since they ordered the bumpers and the dealer states they are backordered now?

Wont be satisfied with these regardless as in my view its a haf a$$ patch instead of a legitamite fix!

Modifying the bike to fit the seat is backa$$wards.
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Post by: Racerdj on April 12, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
Is this still a problem with newly delivered bikes?
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Post by: dustingaunder on April 12, 2010, 12:07:18 PM
Is this still a problem with newly delivered bikes?

The new bikes should have the bumpers installed from the factory.  I picked mine up on 3/26 and it had them and not gap in the front.
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Post by: WestCoastRuss on April 12, 2010, 12:15:42 PM
Ordered the bumpers on the 15th of March but were backordered. Just received them this past week from my dealer and I put them on......better but not a true fix by any means.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: blw on April 13, 2010, 08:03:07 AM
Hey Sun Devil, What riders backrest do you have and is it comfortable, adjustable ? How do you like the fairing wind deflectors also ?     Thanks  BLW
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Post by: Racerdj on April 13, 2010, 05:45:49 PM
The new bikes should have the new seat!....IMO
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on April 13, 2010, 09:56:15 PM
The new bikes should have the new seat!....IMO

They will, once they run out of the old ones and the bumpers... :o

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sun Devil on April 14, 2010, 02:08:54 AM
Hey Sun Devil, What riders backrest do you have and is it comfortable, adjustable ? How do you like the fairing wind deflectors also ?     Thanks  BLW
58156-08 Dark Smoked Fits '08-later Electra Glide®, Street Glide® and Trike models.  MSRP US $109.95
I live in Las Vegas and the wind deflectors work well in winter and even better in the summer heat. I can open them up in the summer and direct the wind on me or the engine.

Rider Backrest Kit - CVO™ Street Glide® Style
Styled to complement the '10 CVO™ Street Glide® model, this Rider Backrest adds back support for long-haul riding comfort.
Good but not great. I wish it could be moved more forward (I have a 29in. inseam) without making a large space in the seat.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Racerdj on April 14, 2010, 08:50:49 AM
From my research, it looks like my Sundowner seat for my 2009 Road King will work on the SG. Is it wrong to demand the new seat if mine does not have it from the factory? Is it my understanding the guards will NOT work with the brackets?
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on April 14, 2010, 10:34:41 AM
From my research, it looks like my Sundowner seat for my 2009 Road King will work on the SG. Is it wrong to demand the new seat if mine does not have it from the factory? Is it my understanding the guards will NOT work with the brackets?

They insist you try the bumpers kit first but what the hell try demanding?

See attached bulletin the guards do not fit with the bumper kit. They may ay since the bike didnt ship with them to remove them? That seems to be the current level of customer service diplomacy?
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Post by: Badger Mike on April 14, 2010, 10:49:02 AM
What a poor way to treat your customers, and for what, to save a few bucks :nixweiss:  Doesn't make sense.
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Post by: RedDevil on April 14, 2010, 12:54:26 PM
What a poor way to treat your customers, and for what, to save a few bucks :nixweiss:  Doesn't make sense.

It's all about bottom line...that's what happens when maximum profits run the company...doing the right thing is usually not the cheapest, so therefore, the cheapest "fix" will win out.  The bumpers are the cheap fix, even though you can't supposedly used rear bag guards now...but little work with a dremmel and you can notch out an area in the bumper to fit over bag guard mount.  Not rocket science...but if you want to jump right to the new seat, your dealer might do it on their own dime, but the MoCo has now, in the tech bulletin stated how they will support the new seat...and then it will be a new SESG seat, not a sundowner or some other seat you'd like to substitute.  Just sayin....

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on April 14, 2010, 02:05:50 PM
I've got a college buddy that works for Harley in Corporate.  I normally don't bother him about stuff with HD, because I want to respect our friendship, but I may break my rule on this one.
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Post by: Sapper6 on April 14, 2010, 04:14:44 PM
From my research, it looks like my Sundowner seat for my 2009 Road King will work on the SG. Is it wrong to demand the new seat if mine does not have it from the factory? Is it my understanding the guards will NOT work with the brackets?

I spoke with my dealer.  I told him about the seat issue and sent him a copy of the service bulletin.  I told him that I had an interest in putting the saddle bag guards on and that the bumpers would not allow for them to be installed.  I said that I understood if they felt the need to order the bumpers first, but that I believed they were on back-order.  I told them that my intent was to receive the revised seat before I picked up the bike.  They just confirmed today that they had ordered me a revised seat.  See it doesn't hurt to ask. :2vrolijk_21:

I still have my Corbin Solo, but need to make this one work until I can get the pillion and tourpak backrest setup for the wife.
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Post by: Racerdj on April 14, 2010, 07:16:50 PM
Excellent information!
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Post by: Badger Mike on April 15, 2010, 10:02:28 AM
I was always tought to be nice and polite, until it's time not to be nice and polite.  Ihope that works with my dealer.
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Post by: Mr. Wizard on April 16, 2010, 03:05:55 PM
Had my seat bumpers installed today. Went out to take a look. The seat just does touch the console. They said, "got to try this first".

OK, cool... when I got home I called them and said. "Go ahead and order the seat".

No, the bumpers didn't work. After I sat down and rode her home it was the same as it was before. When I got off the seat it didn't touch the console anymore. That was a 15 minute ride.

 :-\

Just another post about something that didn't work.

-wiz
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on April 16, 2010, 03:45:12 PM
On Monday, when my bike goes in to get the cruise control and 6th speed light fixed  >:( I'm going to have a real heart to heart talk with my dealer about the seat.  I'm so not good with the bumper fix on this :sauer005:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Sapper6 on April 16, 2010, 03:48:42 PM
Fire for effect!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Mr. Wizard on April 16, 2010, 03:55:00 PM
On Monday, when my bike goes in to get the cruise control and 6th speed light fixed  >:( I'm going to have a real heart to heart talk with my dealer about the seat.  I'm so not good with the bumper fix on this :sauer005:

Mike...

Do you have a tuner on your bike such as the SEST or TTS?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on April 16, 2010, 04:15:14 PM
I went with the Power Commander V w/ Auto Tuner.  We're still working on getting the mapping perfect, it's in the ballpark and I can't notice a difference, but my mechanic is a perfectionist and makes me bring it back to him every 300 miles so that he can keep changing the map.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Mr. Wizard on April 16, 2010, 04:17:50 PM
Sending PM to you.
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Post by: Badger Mike on April 16, 2010, 04:21:23 PM
Thanks, much appreciated!
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Post by: TEQUILA -aka- RED RUM on April 16, 2010, 04:24:52 PM
On Monday, when my bike goes in to get the cruise control and 6th speed light fixed  >:( I'm going to have a real heart to heart talk with my dealer about the seat.  I'm so not good with the bumper fix on this :sauer005:
  Where is the six speed light...........I did not see it........?....Keith
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on April 16, 2010, 04:27:55 PM
It's on the dash with the rest of the indicator lights.  If you're not seeing it (green 6) then yours is probably not working either.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Mr. Wizard on April 17, 2010, 09:06:24 AM
Here are two shots taken yesterday after the return from my dealer. They installed the seat bumpers.

This shot is after the bumpers were installed and after a 15 minute ride home.

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Mr. Wizard on April 17, 2010, 09:07:05 AM
This shot is same as above but with my 190 lb butt sitting on the seat.

Is this acceptable in your opinion?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: grc on April 17, 2010, 09:42:54 AM
This shot is same as above but with my 190 lb butt sitting on the seat.

Is this acceptable in your opinion?

No.  Even the shot with no one sitting on the seat isn't great. 

Harley's own bulletin indicated that the situation tended to get worse over time (that's what happens when you make a seat pan so thin and cheap), so I would guess that if your's looks like that at a relatively young age, it will look like chit in the near future.  Have them fix it right; the bumpers are just their cheap azzed answer to their cheap azzed original screw-up.  They know this isn't the real answer, otherwise they wouldn't have a backup option (new seat) in the bulletin.


Jerry
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Post by: Old Harley Dude on April 17, 2010, 11:01:16 AM
 >:( :soapbox:
It is so far from acceptable that if it wasn't the same as mine I'd be lauaghing my arse off. My dealer got MoCo to replace the seat on my 2010 FLHXSE with a new stock seat (unrevised) and guess what, same gap after 50 miles!  I gave up and got a Corbin Solo plus pillion. Looks great. Now I am going to deman my dealer gets me a revised seat, no bumpers for me. I'll post their response.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: HDDOCFL on April 18, 2010, 03:00:16 PM
The new revised seats will not be shipping untill this Mon. FYI.
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Post by: Racerdj on April 18, 2010, 08:01:19 PM
Does anybody know whether the new revised seat is on the production line?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: bjizel on April 18, 2010, 10:19:33 PM
Here's a picture of my new replacement seat with bumpers also installed, would this be acceptable ?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: bjizel on April 18, 2010, 10:21:02 PM
Another angle.
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Post by: Mr. Wizard on April 18, 2010, 10:35:16 PM
Thanks BJ...  I'll pass these along with my pics and see which direction they want to go.

I appreciate the PM too..

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Post by: Hawg on April 18, 2010, 10:43:02 PM
Try this -push down in the middle of your seat and pull up on the front, if your seat is as bad as mine the front of the seat will pull out of the front tab with very little effort and I can put it back in the tab as well without removing the rear bolt. What a piece of CRAP this seat is I wouldn't put this on a go-cart never mind a $35,000 dollar motorcycle. I will be showing this to my dealer very soon, I discovered this by accident today. >:(
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Post by: bjizel on April 18, 2010, 10:56:00 PM
Hawg not trying to defend the MOCO but my new revised replacement seat along with the bumpers seems to fit pretty snug so far.
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Post by: Hawg on April 18, 2010, 11:01:11 PM
Hawg not trying to defend the MOCO but my new revised replacement seat along with the bumpers seems to fit pretty snug so far.
My $16,000 90 Heritage seat actually had metal in the frame.  :2vrolijk_21: they don't make them like they use to. >:(
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on April 19, 2010, 09:42:44 AM
Another angle.

If it stays there my answer would be yes, However I do not want the bumpers on my bike as they may interfere with my other seats already purchased. I hope the gap does not reappear? The touring seats and seat from the stock Street Glide overlap the chrome dash by 1" or so
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on April 19, 2010, 09:46:36 AM
Sundowner
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on April 19, 2010, 09:47:21 AM
Stock Street Glide
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Post by: CVOBros2 on April 19, 2010, 11:25:30 AM
Try this -push down in the middle of your seat and pull up on the front, if your seat is as bad as mine the front of the seat will pull out of the front tab with very little effort and I can put it back in the tab as well without removing the rear bolt. What a piece of CRAP this seat is I wouldn't put this on a go-cart never mind a $35,000 dollar motorcycle. I will be showing this to my dealer very soon, I discovered this by accident today. >:(

I totally agree with Hawg, what a piece of CRAP this seat is!!!  I thought that since the day I rode it home, the damn gap, no support in the seat, plus it's too damn low for anyone 6' or taller.  Maybe it's a ploy to get us that spend the money on CVOs to spend more money on another seat?!  They figure we have money to burn so they give us a crappy seat like this so we will buy another.
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Post by: DABB on April 19, 2010, 07:31:41 PM
Try this -push down in the middle of your seat and pull up on the front, if your seat is as bad as mine the front of the seat will pull out of the front tab with very little effort and I can put it back in the tab as well without removing the rear bolt. What a piece of CRAP this seat is I wouldn't put this on a go-cart never mind a $35,000 dollar motorcycle. I will be showing this to my dealer very soon, I discovered this by accident today. >:(

Mine does the same thing!  Just started yesterday.
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Post by: dustingaunder on April 19, 2010, 07:45:57 PM
I looked down this evening while riding and I'm starting to get more and more gap the more I ride.  I've got the bumpers so if it gets any worse I'll be looking for them to buy me a new seat.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Racerdj on April 19, 2010, 08:25:15 PM
If the replacment seat stays like the picture, it looks OK to me! (picture evaluation)
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Post by: Badger Mike on May 04, 2010, 11:24:07 AM
OHD,

Did you buy your bike in town or at Sauk?  I'm heading up today to have them put the bumpers on, but am going to ask them to order the new seat as soon as possible.  Just wondering how the dealer handled for you?

Thanks
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Post by: Old Harley Dude on May 04, 2010, 01:58:09 PM
Badger Mike,

The dealer I bought the bike from is Kutter HD in Janesville. I called them and told them that I wanted the revised seat as the bumpers don't work. They hadn't heard that the revised seat was available. They called me back the next day and told me I would be getting the revised seat.  Picked it up last weekend. Sits in my garage in the box it was shipped in. I love my Corbin Classic Solo.

OHD
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Post by: wblythe on May 05, 2010, 02:28:52 PM
I have read through 24 pages of the seat issue discussion. I got my SESG in March 2010 and left on a work trips shortly after. I only have 300 or so miles and have not noticed the seat separation. But, that is not to say it won't happen once I get home and put some miles on it. My question is; can anyone provide the one solution answere? Is Harley backing this up as warranty? Or are we left to fix this on our own. Looks like some dealers are absorbing the cost and others are not.

Are the bumbers supposed to be a fix? What about this new seat? Are you paying for it, or is Harley?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

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Post by: WestCoastRuss on May 05, 2010, 03:52:03 PM
I have read through 24 pages of the seat issue discussion. I got my SESG in March 2010 and left on a work trips shortly after. I only have 300 or so miles and have not noticed the seat separation. But, that is not to say it won't happen once I get home and put some miles on it. My question is; can anyone provide the one solution answere? Is Harley backing this up as warranty? Or are we left to fix this on our own. Looks like some dealers are absorbing the cost and others are not.

Are the bumbers supposed to be a fix? What about this new seat? Are you paying for it, or is Harley?

Thanks in advance for any replies.



The bumpers are sort of a fix.  When riding I had about a 3/4" gap.  After installing the bumpers I now have "only" a 1/4" gap.  Not a fix to me.  Now there is a "new improved" seat for the bike.  I haven't gotten that "fix" yet.  The real fix is spending more money on an aftermarket saddle.
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Post by: Old Harley Dude on May 05, 2010, 03:56:03 PM
 :apple:

Had the same problem on my 2010SESG. When I heard of the revised seat I contacted my dealer and told them about it (they did not know). They suggested that the bumpers need to be tried and I said "no way" as they don't work.  They got me the revised seat. No charge. Still in its shipping box in my garage.  I went with a Corbin. It's great.
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Post by: WestCoastRuss on May 05, 2010, 04:02:17 PM
I too am 90% sure I will go with a Corbin.  I want some color on the seat so am looking into what thread will match the TS on my bike.  Their web site shows thread colors but hard to tell that way.  Perhaps my best solution is a 3 or 4 day trip to Hollister to make sure it turns out correct.  Anyone have the threads color name that matches the TS from Corbin???
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Post by: Badger Mike on May 05, 2010, 04:03:21 PM
No such luck with Sauk Prairie, they put the bumpers on yesterday and sent me on my way >:(  I told them I would send them a picture of the seat later this week and expect them to order the new one, as the bumpers don't even come close to working.

Aside from that, the seat pan itself is so flimsy that there is no way I could ride the bike for more that 100 miles without my ass and back hurting.  You can literally take the seat and bend it in half!  

I'm dissapointed that HD has not stepped up to the plate here and done the right thing with this, they know they have a bad part, the'yre just trying to get buy with a cheap fix.  Some of the dealers don't even know about the service bulletin :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Old Harley Dude on May 05, 2010, 04:30:05 PM
 :nixweiss:

Looks like it is a call on the Dealer's part.
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Post by: Badger Mike on May 05, 2010, 04:31:29 PM
If that's really the case, then it really makes me mad >:(
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Post by: michaelbmenaker on May 05, 2010, 05:14:11 PM
The factory is insisting that you try the bumpers 1st. However, if your dealer tells them you want saddle bag guards, then HD will go right to the new seat as the bumpers and saddle bag guards are mutually exclusive. I did actually order the saddlebag guards (just got them on today), so it was easy. Otherwise, your dealer will need to be willing to tell a fib for you to get the new seat without trying the bumpers first. Some will, some won't.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: wblythe on May 05, 2010, 05:41:03 PM
Is there a bulletin or recall that provides the saddle bag guards as warranty?? Or is it- you order saddle bag guards and harley provides a new seat for no cost. Sorry, but I am little confused on this.
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on May 05, 2010, 06:17:48 PM
Is there a bulletin or recall that provides the saddle bag guards as warranty?? Or is it- you order saddle bag guards and harley provides a new seat for no cost. Sorry, but I am little confused on this.

The bumpers are not compatible with saddle bag guards so if you tell them (Lil white lie) you want the guards the bumper fix canot be used.

Personally they need to fix the seat not make my bike fit the crappy seat. Perhaps the need to attach the bumpers to the cheap seat :nixweiss:
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on May 05, 2010, 06:19:31 PM
The bumpers are sort of a fix.  When riding I had about a 3/4" gap.  After installing the bumpers I now have "only" a 1/4" gap.  Not a fix to me.  Now there is a "new improved" seat for the bike.  I haven't gotten that "fix" yet.  The real fix is spending more money on an aftermarket saddle.

go out to your bike and place your knee in the rider seat and then place your weight on it. I'll bet it flex's and you see the gap. I haven't seen one yet that didnt?
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Post by: chopper roy on May 05, 2010, 06:29:20 PM
what are the saddle bag guards, thats a new one to me. thanks for the help
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Post by: wblythe on May 05, 2010, 06:29:50 PM
Check, got it. But can't check the seat as of yet. Bike is at home- and I am overseas. First thing I do when I get back- no second thing. First thing is say hi to the wife! lol. Thanks for assist.
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Post by: michaelbmenaker on May 05, 2010, 06:37:12 PM
what are the saddle bag guards, thats a new one to me. thanks for the help

Here's a pic I lifted from this thread...http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=43015.15
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Post by: chopper roy on May 05, 2010, 06:43:39 PM
Thanks, ride safe
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on May 05, 2010, 06:45:37 PM
Check, got it. But can't check the seat as of yet. Bike is at home- and I am overseas. First thing I do when I get back- no second thing. First thing is say hi to the wife! lol. Thanks for assist.

Sounds like that might be a good plan! Stay safe hope you get back soon :2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: michaelbmenaker on May 05, 2010, 06:48:37 PM
Thanks, ride safe

Chopper,
I just had these installed today. The photo is a pretty accurate representation of how they look. I wouldn't claim that they improve the looks of a SESG, but, for those of us with short legs (mine are barely a 30" inseam), probably good insurance against the inevitable drop. I know lots of bagger riders and everyone -- even the 6'4" guys –– drop it eventually. Physics is a bitch.
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Post by: Myko on May 05, 2010, 07:45:11 PM
My stealer was easy. Had the bulletin, told me they were getting me the bumpers, I said I wanted the seat in case I want to put the guards on, they ordered the seat... bulletin does say for the stealer to try the bumpers 1st... someone here posted the bulletin when it first came out.
My seat sits in the garage as I too love my Corbin solo.
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on May 05, 2010, 08:02:48 PM
My stealer was easy. Had the bulletin, told me they were getting me the bumpers, I said I wanted the seat in case I want to put the guards on, they ordered the seat... bulletin does say for the stealer to try the bumpers 1st... someone here posted the bulletin when it first came out.
My seat sits in the garage as I too love my Corbin solo.

I agree, I have no intention to actually use the seat but I want what I paid for it'll look awesome on the Garage wall!

Should you decide to sell it later you wouldnt want to sell anybody the crap one?
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Post by: KODAGRIN on May 07, 2010, 08:22:16 AM
Just picked up Chitlin's new TS SESG...manufactured 04/10/2010---how can you tell if new revised seat was installed at factory or if we got the old seat?
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Post by: Mr. Wizard on May 16, 2010, 09:05:44 AM
About time to bump this thread.

Got my -10A seat yesterday and they left the bumpers on. I pushed down on it all I could and the gap is gone for now...  time will tell.  :drink:


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Post by: DABB on May 16, 2010, 09:08:00 AM
Picked mine up yesterday after new seat install.  Is it just me or is this new seat like a rock?  I only rode home about 4 miles, so today will tell for me as I am heading out for a charity run.
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Post by: Mr. Wizard on May 16, 2010, 09:14:39 AM
I felt the same... only a 12 mile ride home yesterday and I think I could feel the bumpers... edges of the seat are hard. Going to break it in today.

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Post by: grc on May 16, 2010, 09:59:03 AM
Picked mine up yesterday after new seat install.  Is it just me or is this new seat like a rock?  I only rode home about 4 miles, so today will tell for me as I am heading out for a charity run.

I felt the same... only a 12 mile ride home yesterday and I think I could feel the bumpers... edges of the seat are hard. Going to break it in today.

I would imagine that the seat, even the old seat, would feel harder with the bumpers installed.  The seat pan was flexing, which added to the cushioning effect.  Once you eliminate the ability of the seat pan to flex by bottoming it out on the bumpers, all that's left is whatever cushioning that's provided by the thin foam on the edges of the seat.  I think if it were me I'd try removing the bumpers after installing the "new" revised seat, and see how that affects not only the fit but the comfort.


Jerry
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Post by: DABB on May 16, 2010, 09:46:50 PM
I have the rear crash bars so I do not have bumpers I believe.  My edges are hard also.  New one definitely is not as comfy as the old one to me.
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Post by: CVOBros2 on May 16, 2010, 10:32:06 PM
I can't wait to get my new one then because to me the original one I have with the gap is too soft and sits me too low.  Do you sit higher with the new revised seat without the gap?  I sure hope so.
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Post by: Racerdj on May 17, 2010, 08:01:33 PM
The dealer left the bumpers on while filing enough off for the rear bag protectors to work. I need to find out whether I have the new seat.
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Post by: Wheelsnkeels on May 22, 2010, 05:18:08 PM
Well went to the dealer (first50 miles in the rain) and received the "New revised seat" and a bike wash :2vrolijk_21:

Improved over the original kind of  :nixweiss:

Now there is no gap at the console although it still does not overlap the chrome. So you can still see the rubber trim sticking out. If I remove the console and cut back the rubber trim a little that will fix that. sitting on the seat 130 miles coming home no visible gap "yeah"! Thats the good news.

While they focused on the nose they neglected the sides I'm only 175 and when I sit on the seat it contacts the left saddlebag lid  :nixweiss: WTF over?

The original had about a 1/2" gap so get some lose some?
Pretty fed up at this point!

Guess I'll sell the seat and buy the Corbin Solo for myself and use the Sundowner 2 up.

The Bride says the new seat is better in theback than the original but all in all not near as comfortable to her as the Sundowner. So to eliminate the squeak in the back seat its the Sundowner 2 up.

Perhaps the Corbin dual heated touring???

Racer "Apparently if you have a Gap you have the original seat and if the gap is missing on the left saddlebag you have the New seat"
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Post by: hdnik on June 11, 2010, 06:50:29 AM
problem solved by Danny Gray

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Post by: hdnik on June 11, 2010, 06:52:18 AM
another
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Post by: hdnik on June 11, 2010, 06:54:16 AM
2 colour stitch flames - Burgandy and gold
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Post by: DABB on June 11, 2010, 07:29:38 AM
Now that looks slick!
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Post by: mrdinny on June 11, 2010, 07:45:51 AM
Anybody else have this issue?  I just bought a 2010 SESG and love it.  However, as the seat has gotten more accustomed to me, it is inching away from the CVO emblem on my tank, leaving about an inch of open space that looks bad.  HD dealer said they had gotten the same feedback from others, but not sure how Harley is going to address it.  I paid a lot of $$ for this bad boy, and this small "blemish" is taking away from the overall beauty of the bike.  Suggestions?
Yes. I had that issue and the seat started rubbing the corners of the bags. Moco installed spacers and as of now it is taking care of both issues.
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Post by: WestCoastRuss on June 11, 2010, 03:59:52 PM
HDNIC..........Great look on your new saddle  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on June 11, 2010, 10:25:01 PM
problem solved by Danny Gray


I like it !!
Very nice lookin' seat  :2vrolijk_21:
I have the Corbin solo seat on order
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Racerdj on June 12, 2010, 08:30:29 AM
problem solved by Danny Gray
Your seat is very very stunning!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: KKM on June 12, 2010, 07:02:40 PM
Your seat is very very stunning!

Just put the Corbin Hollywood Solo on. Fits fine and looks good.
Never bothered with the dealer (gap issue here too). Not good for my blood pressure or wallet.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: hdnik on June 13, 2010, 07:59:36 PM
I agree. i had the origianl seat with the bumper fix. Was ok for about 1500 KMs, then it started showing a gap again. Was just at a dealer and saw his last FLHXSE he'll get.. it was a Tequilla Sunrise and just leaning on the seat showed the gap. I really don't think the issue is fixed at the plant yet.

Anyway... mine is solved... no thanks to H-D (though my dealer tried and empathises with me... so i don't blame him)
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on June 30, 2010, 02:57:07 PM
Getting my 3rd (and last) new seat tomorrow.  I agree, I don't believe that they have fixed the problem with the seat yet.  I would go with a different seat, but like the configuration of the current seat the the SESG backrest, don't know what I'll do if and when this seat seperates from the tank :-\

I'm open to suggestions for replacements, but not interested in a solo, and need something that will work with my drivers backrest.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on June 30, 2010, 03:28:07 PM
Getting my 3rd (and last) new seat tomorrow.  I agree, I don't believe that they have fixed the problem with the seat yet.  I would go with a different seat, but like the configuration of the current seat the the SESG backrest, don't know what I'll do if and when this seat seperates from the tank :-\

I'm open to suggestions for replacements, but not interested in a solo, and need something that will work with my drivers backrest.
My dealer modified the chrome "tang" on the back of the seat so it sticks out about an extra 3/4", which forces the seat further up on the tank.  After doing that and installation of the bumpers, I have no gap issues whatsoever.

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on June 30, 2010, 04:49:56 PM
I'm thinking I may have to try that one.  Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Briancvo on July 01, 2010, 06:46:33 AM
red devil; can you post a pic or tell me about the dealer modification that was done? i just had my 1000 mile
checkup and had mentioned the seat issue 6 weeks prior to my dealer, but they say they have to do the bumpers
first.(which were not ordered and i still have to go back when they come in)i even sent them the service bulletin...

thank
brian cvo
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on July 01, 2010, 09:03:33 AM
I had the "New Improved seat" with bumpers installed. It corrected the gap issue by supporting the edges of the flimsy stock seat pan, however this now made the seat uncomfortable. What they install is a hard plastic strip on the frame under the seat thereby not allowing the seat to sink when you sit on it. With the minimal padding they put in these seats I now get a sore arse so, off it came and on went the Corbin. The new seat itself looks exactly the same as the old, not sure what the changes were. :nixweiss:
I now have the bumpers and a new stock seat to take up space in my garage.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on July 01, 2010, 08:37:36 PM
red devil; can you post a pic or tell me about the dealer modification that was done? i just had my 1000 mile
checkup and had mentioned the seat issue 6 weeks prior to my dealer, but they say they have to do the bumpers
first.(which were not ordered and i still have to go back when they come in)i even sent them the service bulletin...

thank
brian cvo

Brian,
The tech drilled an extra hole in the tang.

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Racerdj on July 01, 2010, 09:57:02 PM
500 miles and no issue with the bumpers and re-designed seat.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Racerdj on July 01, 2010, 09:59:16 PM
Now that looks slick!
Quite stunning!!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: cvosteelhorse on August 19, 2010, 04:00:16 PM
Just got back from Sturgis & test road a new CVO StreetGlide.  Seat is awesome!  Super comfortable, cool custom look & doesn't seem to have the tank gap problems.  Guy @ the show took the seat off for me to check out the underside.  New base with lot's of structure!  Wouldn't even think of getting a Corbin for the 2011 as it would be a down grade to the stock seat.  Thinking of buying a new bike because of all the improvements.  The new sound system is also really awesome.  Does anyone know if I can put the 2011 seat on my 2009?  I forgot to ask when I was there.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on August 19, 2010, 04:11:18 PM
Out and back to Sturgis on the stock "A" seat without the bumpers.  There's a small gap still between the seat and tank when I'm on the bike, but I think I can live with it.  I was really comfortable on that seat, more so than any other seat I have owned :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: mslcpa on September 07, 2010, 12:37:02 PM
Finally...

"Upgraded" seat for 2010 no better than the original. Still about a 3/4-1" gap. I swapped out for a stock 2009 Ultra seat, but waaaaay to big. Killed the clean line of the bike, so back to the original, which I really like. Spoke w/HD and nothing more they would do. Dealer wouldn't do the bumper fix under warranty since I installed the bag guards. Can't press to much since I use a local dealer after buying the bike 250 miles from home. However, they gave me a set of the bumpers. I notched the bumpers to allow the bag guard to fit over, and the gap is gone. Rode about 200 miles this past Sunday and still no gap. To play it safe I cut a piece of heavy leather to fit under the front of the seat and slid up about 1/2 under the console. Velcro strip secures to the console mount to hold in place. Even if a small gap should reappear over time, it won't be noticeable.

Shouldn't have to go through this with these bikes, but kinda satisfying when you solve the problem.

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on September 08, 2010, 01:38:01 PM
Sold mine and ordered a Corbin looks like the 2011 seat fits fine may want to see if your selling dealer can get it swapped out for you?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on September 26, 2010, 09:45:13 PM
I just installed the 2011 SESG seat on my 2010 SESG and it looks and feels great.  No tank seperation/flex at all.  I had to remove the seat bumpers that I had as part of the 2010 seat fix.  Good seat and nice lines-IMO.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on September 26, 2010, 09:49:51 PM
I just installed the 2011 SESG seat on my 2010 SESG and it looks and feels great.  No tank seperation/flex at all.  I had to remove the seat bumpers that I had as part of the 2010 seat fix.  Good seat and nice lines-IMO.
To late for me installed a Corbin and love it.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: DABB on September 27, 2010, 07:31:02 AM
I just installed the 2011 SESG seat on my 2010 SESG and it looks and feels great.  No tank seperation/flex at all.  I had to remove the seat bumpers that I had as part of the 2010 seat fix.  Good seat and nice lines-IMO.


Love to see a picture.  What was the cost?  Looking forward to doing this to mine over the winter.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: mjb765 on September 27, 2010, 09:56:31 AM
problem solved by Danny Gray



Hey HDNIK..what did that seat cost and do they make a passenger attachment and how does it go on???
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: hdnik on September 27, 2010, 01:53:59 PM
Hey HDNIK..what did that seat cost and do they make a passenger attachment and how does it go on???

With the stitching and the fender bib mine was about $375... check out http://www.dannygray.com/StandardSeats.asp
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: mjb765 on September 27, 2010, 03:41:08 PM
With the stitching and the fender bib mine was about $375... check out http://www.dannygray.com/StandardSeats.asp


Looks like they don't make a solo with a matching removable passenger pillion.....
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: JohnnyRock on September 28, 2010, 05:29:27 AM
2 colour stitch flames - Burgandy and gold


Nice... Which Danny Gray model is that?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: hdnik on September 29, 2010, 12:57:33 AM
Bigseat
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: mjb765 on September 29, 2010, 09:33:01 AM
Looks like they don't make a solo with a matching removable passenger pillion.....

Just found it....looks good.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: lastdegree on September 29, 2010, 03:05:01 PM
I've had the 2010 seat and the 2011 seat and neither makes the grade IMHO. 

Like JCZ, the corbin solo with passenger has been the best upgrade I ever made.  Like the looks of HDNIK's seat and either would be a much better option. 

This summer i went on a 3800 mile round trip in 7 days.  There's no way I would have made it with HD's finest. 

Guaranteed best upgrade to this problem.    And yes, no one should have to do it, but when you consider what else we've had to replace it's the first thing I would do again.

Cheers
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: michaelbmenaker on September 29, 2010, 05:13:34 PM
I have to say, I've replaced the seat on all my HD's since my '90 Springer with the exception of my '95 Road King. It's just something I expect to do.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: JohnnyRock on September 29, 2010, 11:52:38 PM

Shouldn't have to go through this with these bikes, but kinda satisfying when you solve the problem.



Only thing I've done so far is put on the highway pegs, and it gets better every time out--great ride tonight with great people and they all raved about the bike. (A couple said they're getting one.) Thought I might have some remorse when I wrote out the big check, but no.

Tomorrow I take it in for the 1K and V&H Head pipes, CFR Slip-ons, SERT, Dyno, 4-point docking hardware, and luggage rack. Absolutely cannot wait to get it back...
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on September 30, 2010, 06:04:45 PM
Thats a "good start"  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on October 01, 2010, 06:35:27 PM
Problem solved!

(http://tapa.tk/mu/ad176773-6215-31d8.jpg)

(http://tapa.tk/mu/ad176773-622d-8200.jpg)
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: mjb765 on October 01, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
Problem solved!

(http://tapa.tk/mu/ad176773-6215-31d8.jpg)

(http://tapa.tk/mu/ad176773-622d-8200.jpg)

VERY NICE!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on October 08, 2010, 09:36:53 PM
First let my say I would like to thank everyone who provided the essential information to resolve this issue in a very timely manner.

I took the HD bulletin over to the dealer with the intention of letting them confirm that there was actually a gap and to have my frame supports put on order as well as the seat.

I took the time to point out the paragraph in the bulletin that states that the customer needs to be happy with the brackets and if not the dealer should order the replacement seat.

I stated to the Service Manager up front that I would be needing the seat but was willing to go through the process. 

After some checking they found that they actually had both the brackets and the seat in stock. WOW!!

So not wanting to miss a opportunity I waited while both were installed and I was on my way in about an hour.

Excellent service and support!!

With all  of the negative HD and dealer comments floating around I thought a good experience would be nice to read about.

Regards

Jerry
Title: Re: UPDATE: GAP BETWEEN THE SEAT AND TANK ISSUE?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on October 27, 2010, 11:55:27 PM
UPDATE ON THE SEAT GAP ISSUE!!

Well unfortunately my new "A" seat and blocks haven't helped. I have the same gap as I had with the stock seat.

I talked with the service manager and requested that he contact "The Mother Ship" and get some guidance.  I am still of the opinion that we are entitled to a well fitted seat.

Also, I have been thinking that the 2011 FLHXSE seat might be a solution I can live with. It seems to sit good and I am sure HD has solved our issue in 2011.

Does anybody else have some current info on what the next HD steps are??

Regards

Jerry  
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: DABB on October 28, 2010, 08:14:55 AM
Jerry, I too am considering the 2011 seat for mine, I just have yet to pull the trigger.  I did start a thread on the switch and did get positive responses from 2011 seat owners.  I will probably complete this before next riding season.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: hdnik on October 28, 2010, 09:37:51 AM
Saw a 2011 in Vegas, It wil be the fix for sure. Seat climbs much further up the console so even if it is as weak, it won't "GAP". I have to assume that a new back rest pad will be required to match the "snakeskin" like insert.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: mjb765 on October 28, 2010, 09:44:51 AM
Saw a 2011 in Vegas, It wil be the fix for sure. Seat climbs much further up the console so even if it is as weak, it won't "GAP". I have to assume that a new back rest pad will be required to match the "snakeskin" like insert.

Yep..the '11 backrest has the snakeskin insert like the rear seat.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on October 28, 2010, 11:31:05 AM
Has anyone had any luck with dealers trading the 2010 seats in for 2011 seats?  Or are we going to have to purchase them?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on October 28, 2010, 09:43:42 PM
Has anyone had any luck with dealers trading the 2010 seats in for 2011 seats?  Or are we going to have to purchase them?

If they don't have a 2010 replacement that works, I am going to climb the HD Corporate ladder starting with the service manager until I get approval for a 2011 Warranty replacement seat. (0 Cost to us)

In case you are considering it, NO I am not going to go through the HD Customer Support Center. It's worthless for things like this.

Please lets keep this thread going until we have good results to report.

Regards

Jerry 
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on October 29, 2010, 07:48:59 AM
Good Luck with that  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on October 30, 2010, 11:03:55 PM
I wonder if some of us that are interested in the 2011 replacement seat can go and make sure that it will work to our satisfaction before we ask that HD use it as the replacement for our 2010 seats.  (A owner test group).

Thanks to the other posts here we now know that we will have to have a seat and a matching backrest so everything will match.  

I am going to try and hit the 3 dealers here in Jax and see if they have 2011 CVO Street Glides and if the seat will work and fit as it should.

Please post your findings as soon as you can. If it doesn't work then we may be faced with finding another solution that HD picks.

REgards

Jerry



Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on November 19, 2010, 02:17:46 PM
OK I NEED SOME HELP FROM YOU GUYS WHO ARE INTERESTED !!!!

1.   2010 CVO STREET GLIDE OWNERS
         1.1.  HAVE YOU SAT ON THE 2011 CVO STREET GLIDE SEAT??
         1.2.  ARE YOU HAPPY WITH IT COMPARED TO THE 2010 STOCK SEAT FIT, FINISH COMFORT--ETC????


3.  2011 CVO STREET GLIDE OWNERS    
         3.1  ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE STOCK SEAT??
         3.2  ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THE SEAT--FIT FINISH COMFORT--ETC?

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: amigo Jorge on November 19, 2010, 02:47:55 PM
OK I NEED SOME HELP FROM YOU GUYS WHO ARE INTERESTED !!!!

1.   2010 CVO STREET GLIDE OWNERS
         1.1.  HAVE SAT ON THE 2011 CVO STREET GLIDE SEAT??
         1.2.  ARE YOU HAPPY WITH IT COMPARED TO THE 2010 STOCK SEAT FIT, FINISH COMFORT--ETC????


3.  2010 CVO STREET GLIDE OWNERS     
         3.1  ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE STOCK SEAT?? YES.....       
         3.2  ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THE SEAT--FIT FINISH COMFORT--ETC? NO...I LIKE IT

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: hdnik on November 19, 2010, 02:53:09 PM
Had the 2011 seat been available when I bought my DG seat, I would have bought one. IMHO the problem was solved in 2011

MODIFIED
In fact if anyone is selling a 2011 seat and the back rest pad... I'd be very interested.

MODIFIED AGAIN
Now that I'm thinking about it... I think I'll post that in the "Buying" area
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: lastdegree on November 19, 2010, 02:57:38 PM
agree - would not have bought the corbin had the 2011 been around.

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on November 20, 2010, 07:50:21 AM
have not sat on the 2011 seat, I am happy with my Corbin seat.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: lastdegree on November 20, 2010, 04:48:20 PM
Comments aside.  I love my corbin and it nails the issue of any gap.  Real quality piece of kit.  Plus 800 miles in a day is possible - not sure that can be said for the HD seat.  Especially as I'm 230lbs (on a good day at least).

Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on November 20, 2010, 05:56:39 PM
Comments aside.  I love my corbin and it nails the issue of any gap.  Real quality piece of kit.  Plus 800 miles in a day is possible - not sure that can be said for the HD seat.  Especially as I'm 230lbs (on a good day at least).


Exactly  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: jamnflhxse2 on November 20, 2010, 07:33:35 PM
I'm very happy with my '11 SESG seat as is my wife, and as of now zero issues with the fit and finish!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: KODAGRIN on November 21, 2010, 08:43:22 PM
A guy in our HOG chapter traded his 2010 sesg for a 2011 sesg and didn't like the 2011 seat so he got the dealer to trade him the old seat for the one on the new bike--he likes the 2010 seat better.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: DABB on November 21, 2010, 09:01:41 PM
A guy in our HOG chapter traded his 2010 sesg for a 2011 sesg and didn't like the 2011 seat so he got the dealer to trade him the old seat for the one on the new bike--he likes the 2010 seat better.

Huh??
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: KODAGRIN on November 21, 2010, 09:03:35 PM
Yeah, he didn't like the alligator and said the seat was taller--so he got the old seat off the 2010. 
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: RedDevil on November 22, 2010, 09:58:07 AM
Yeah, he didn't like the alligator and said the seat was taller--so he got the old seat off the 2010. 

To be honest, I have to agree.  I've sat in both, and prefer my 2010 seat.  I don't have a gap issue and it's much more, to me at least, comfortable than the 2011 SESG seat.  Plus I like that little extra pad at the lower back that the 2010 seat gives.  But in reality, if it wouldn't look so out of place on my SESG, I'd actually put the same seat that's on my RUSE on my SESG.  That is, without a doubt, the most comfortable seat from the MoCo, I've ever had (including my Zeppelin that I had on the 02 Ultra).

:devil:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on November 23, 2010, 12:56:41 PM
To be honest, I have to agree.  I've sat in both, and prefer my 2010 seat.  I don't have a gap issue and it's much more, to me at least, comfortable than the 2011 SESG seat.  Plus I like that little extra pad at the lower back that the 2010 seat gives.  But in reality, if it wouldn't look so out of place on my SESG, I'd actually put the same seat that's on my RUSE on my SESG.  That is, without a doubt, the most comfortable seat from the MoCo, I've ever had (including my Zeppelin that I had on the 02 Ultra).

:devil:
RedDevil:  Talked to dealer today after I found out the gap is also on my bike.  Dont have the bars for saddlebags but he said he would say I did cause I am going forth on this.  So he ordered the replacement seat that was given on the bulliten.  I hope it matches the passenger pad.  Do you know if it does or anyone for that matter.  I guess my belly covered it up till I finally bent over with much force.  HEHE.   
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on November 23, 2010, 01:07:03 PM
The replacement seats do match the originals as far as pattern.

While they do fix the gap issue be sure to check the seat to side cover clearances with you on the bike. My replacement seat rubbed on the side covers and would have damaged the paint. I sold it and went with a Corbin.

Hope yours fits better than mine did
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on November 23, 2010, 01:13:06 PM
The replacement seats do match the originals as far as pattern.

While they do fix the gap issue be sure to check the seat to side cover clearances with you on the bike. My replacement seat rubbed on the side covers and would have damaged the paint. I sold it and went with a Corbin.

Hope yours fits better than mine did
I'll check whenever it comes in for sure.  My weight is 252, dont tell no one, yea right.  Does it look the same, I hope it is stiched a little different. Thanks for the feedback Mr. Wheels.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on November 23, 2010, 07:45:06 PM
RedDevil:  Talked to dealer today after I found out the gap is also on my bike.  Dont have the bars for saddlebags but he said he would say I did cause I am going forth on this.  So he ordered the replacement seat that was given on the bulliten.  I hope it matches the passenger pad.  Do you know if it does or anyone for that matter.  I guess my belly covered it up till I finally bent over with much force.  HEHE.   

The replacement seat matches your old seat and backrest. The difference is the blocks that they put on the frame rails as shown in the bulletin and the revised seat has an "A" designation in the part number. The revised seat has a steel backbone that runs partially down the undeside of the seat pan.

It doesn't stiffen up the front part of the seat that rests against the lower part of the tank trim so the gap is still there and in some cases worse that it was with the origional seat.

So the evolving solution may be the 2011 SESG seat and backrest.   

 
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on December 03, 2010, 10:48:40 AM
The replacement seat matches your old seat and backrest. The difference is the blocks that they put on the frame rails as shown in the bulletin and the revised seat has an "A" designation in the part number. The revised seat has a steel backbone that runs partially down the undeside of the seat pan.

It doesn't stiffen up the front part of the seat that rests against the lower part of the tank trim so the gap is still there and in some cases worse that it was with the origional seat.

So the evolving solution may be the 2011 SESG seat and backrest.   

 
Dealer called today the seat is in. Going to pick it up and see if it is any better than original.   BuckNut :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on December 03, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Has anyone been given the option to "upgrade" to the '11 SESG seat?

I'm still fighting my '09 SERG seat gap issue and I'll be darned if I buy a seat to fix a HD problem.  I've had the rails installed and then a new '09 SERG seat.  The gap is not as bad, about 1/8" when I'm off the bike and when I'm on the bike the gap goes to about 1/2".  Also the new seat had very poor padding on the front top of the seat.  About the only thing that holds the round shape is the material itself.  I can poke into the seat with my finger and it's empty inside, very poor quality on the seat itself, let alone it still gaps when I sit on the bike.

I've been told to bring the bike in this winter to have the HD rep look at it, but without me being there I'm not sure how hard the dealer will push HD for a replacement seat.  I've heard that the '11 SESG seat is a good fit and does not gap like the SERG and SESG's do.  I'm going to push them for an '11 SESG seat and I know the backrest on the chopped tourpak will not match, but it's not that much different.

Any progress from you guys on the seat gap issue will still help us late adopters of the '09 SERG's that are still under the factory 2yr warranty.

Thanks for all the updates.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on December 03, 2010, 01:13:39 PM
Has anyone been given the option to "upgrade" to the '11 SESG seat?

I'm still fighting my '09 SERG seat gap issue and I'll be darned if I buy a seat to fix a HD problem.  I've had the rails installed and then a new '09 SERG seat.  The gap is not as bad, about 1/8" when I'm off the bike and when I'm on the bike the gap goes to about 1/2".  Also the new seat had very poor padding on the front top of the seat.  About the only thing that holds the round shape is the material itself.  I can poke into the seat with my finger and it's empty inside, very poor quality on the seat itself, let alone it still gaps when I sit on the bike.

I've been told to bring the bike in this winter to have the HD rep look at it, but without me being there I'm not sure how hard the dealer will push HD for a replacement seat.  I've heard that the '11 SESG seat is a good fit and does not gap like the SERG and SESG's do.  I'm going to push them for an '11 SESG seat and I know the backrest on the chopped tourpak will not match, but it's not that much different.

Any progress from you guys on the seat gap issue will still help us late adopters of the '09 SERG's that are still under the factory 2yr warranty.

Thanks for all the updates.
Just installed the new seat.  Sat on it for about 15 min.  listening to some Lynrd Skynrd no gap issue as of now.  As for other options non that my dealer knows about:  such as the 11 you are talking about.  But the real test will be when I get some miles on it which wont be for awhile here in the Buckeye State.  Dam cold here.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: FLHXSE2 on December 03, 2010, 02:27:12 PM
Has anyone been given the option to "upgrade" to the '11 SESG seat?

I'm still fighting my '09 SERG seat gap issue and I'll be darned if I buy a seat to fix a HD problem.  I've had the rails installed and then a new '09 SERG seat.  The gap is not as bad, about 1/8" when I'm off the bike and when I'm on the bike the gap goes to about 1/2".  Also the new seat had very poor padding on the front top of the seat.  About the only thing that holds the round shape is the material itself.  I can poke into the seat with my finger and it's empty inside, very poor quality on the seat itself, let alone it still gaps when I sit on the bike.

I've been told to bring the bike in this winter to have the HD rep look at it, but without me being there I'm not sure how hard the dealer will push HD for a replacement seat.  I've heard that the '11 SESG seat is a good fit and does not gap like the SERG and SESG's do.  I'm going to push them for an '11 SESG seat and I know the backrest on the chopped tourpak will not match, but it's not that much different.

Any progress from you guys on the seat gap issue will still help us late adopters of the '09 SERG's that are still under the factory 2yr warranty.

Thanks for all the updates.


Dan, Nice Board track bike, check your email, Mike
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 03, 2010, 04:47:21 PM
Just installed the new seat.  Sat on it for about 15 min.  listening to some Lynrd Skynrd no gap issue as of now.  As for other options non that my dealer knows about:  such as the 11 you are talking about.  But the real test will be when I get some miles on it which wont be for awhile here in the Buckeye State.  Dam cold here.

Check the distance between the seat and the side covers while you sit on it I'll bet they will rub on the covers now  :nixweiss:

Been there done that
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on December 03, 2010, 10:33:52 PM
Check the distance between the seat and the side covers while you sit on it I'll bet they will rub on the covers now  :nixweiss:

Been there done that
Wheels: it sits just about the same as the previous seat.  Which you are correct about the side covers.  But there is that film protecting the paint.  But I will keep an eye on it when I ride again:  Got a feeling thats going to me like March if Lucky.  Thanks for your concern my Brother  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on December 05, 2010, 09:26:58 PM
2010 flhxse now with the 2011 seat and back rests.  No gap, no sider-cover rub and more comfortable than my original.  Very happy even with a 500+ mile day on it.  Now just waiting for the iPod interface and deck lid mount to come in  ;D
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: DABB on December 06, 2010, 08:15:39 AM
2010 flhxse now with the 2011 seat and back rests.  No gap, no sider-cover rub and more comfortable than my original.  Very happy even with a 500+ mile day on it.  Now just waiting for the iPod interface and deck lid mount to come in  ;D

How much MKW?  Bought from dealer?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on December 06, 2010, 01:22:07 PM
How much MKW?  Bought from dealer?
So you guys are up for correction of spend to fix.  Are you Friggan Nuts.  Just SAYING  :nervous: :o
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on December 13, 2010, 10:05:32 PM
How much MKW?  Bought from dealer?

I do not have the exact figure but I do know it was 15% off MSRP.  Very happy with it.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on December 13, 2010, 10:12:32 PM
So you guys are up for correction of spend to fix.  Are you Friggan Nuts.  Just SAYING  :nervous: :o

I just wanted a nice qualty replacement to the original and it happen to be one from the MoCo.  Hell, this site is full of guys (and gals) who buy and $30K+ bike and then often times before the bike leaves the dealer they swap out perfactly good gauges, wheels, seats, etc.  Geeze........... ;)
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on December 14, 2010, 04:16:50 PM
I just wanted a nice qualty replacement to the original and it happen to be one from the MoCo.  Hell, this site is full of guys (and gals) who buy and $30K+ bike and then often times before the bike leaves the dealer they swap out perfactly good gauges, wheels, seats, etc.  Geeze........... ;)

Thanks for "taking the point " on the 2011 SESG seat replacement issue. I'm glad that it is still working for you and am very interested in your periodic update on how it is working.

Regards

Jerry
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on December 26, 2010, 12:48:50 PM
Thanks for "taking the point " on the 2011 SESG seat replacement issue. I'm glad that it is still working for you and am very interested in your periodic update on how it is working.

Regards

Jerry

I just installed the 2011 CVO Street Glide seat and passenger pad. In my assessment it not only looks and fits better in every way than the 2010 it is far more comfortable as well--for us larger guys.

It definitely solved the "gap problem".
 

I never liked that extra pad in the 2010 seat especially on longer rides. It felt like you were sitting on something--annoying--to me.

Regards

Jerry
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on January 21, 2011, 02:00:15 PM
I'm interested as well, it's the only thing on the 2010 that I was unhappy about.  I'm looking at some different options after putting about 5k miles on the bike last summer.  I'm not unhappy with the comfort of the seat, more the gap issue.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: hdnik on January 23, 2011, 10:50:38 PM
I was lucky enough to find a 2011 sesg seat and backrest pad "takeoff" from another CVOHarley member. (thanx Chris) This is the seat fix you are looking for IMHO. Now I have a one up saddle that I like and a comfortable, non gapping 2 up seat now as well... (for when my darling young bride would rather passenger than ride her trike)

As for the original 2010 seat, and why I'd spend a little cash to fix the problem myself rather than re-live the big "bumper fix", well I have to look at it that I never really liked the saggy leather look anyway and the intergrated pad that forced me an inch closer than I needed to be, nor the gap or the rubbing on the left side cover or any of the other issues with the seat that no one has been able to get resolved in over 2 model years.... and can anyone explain how Harley thinks anyone would look at those big bumpers as a fix? Please!!!

Just buy a seat and get instant happiness. Forget the warranty fix... don't go through the frustration.... the dealers hands are tied anyway. We all paid large for these things... so now we're trying to save a few hundred? Life's too short and so is the riding season in my neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on January 24, 2011, 09:16:50 AM
I was lucky enough to find a 2011 sesg seat and backrest pad "takeoff" from another CVOHarley member. (thanx Chris) This is the seat fix you are looking for IMHO. Now I have a one up saddle that I like and a comfortable, non gapping 2 up seat now as well... (for when my darling young bride would rather passenger than ride her trike)

As for the original 2010 seat, and why I'd spend a little cash to fix the problem myself rather than re-live the big "bumper fix", well I have to look at it that I never really liked the saggy leather look anyway and the intergrated pad that forced me an inch closer than I needed to be, nor the gap or the rubbing on the left side cover or any of the other issues with the seat that no one has been able to get resolved in over 2 model years.... and can anyone explain how Harley thinks anyone would look at those big bumpers as a fix? Please!!!

Just buy a seat and get instant happiness. Forget the warranty fix... don't go through the frustration.... the dealers hands are tied anyway. We all paid large for these things... so now we're trying to save a few hundred? Life's too short and so is the riding season in my neck of the woods.

I believe from your comments that the bumpers are NOT used on the new '11 SESG seat.  Just to confirm for sure, does the new '11 seat just slide over the main frame rails WITHOUT the thick black plastic bumpers?

Do you find the new '11 seat comfortable for front and back?  I have a '09 SERG that's got the bumpers AND a new seat that was worse than my original seat.  I have to go in this winter and they will have the rep take a look.  I'm leaning towards the '11 SEG seat as a fix for my problems.  I may have to pay the difference between the original and the new '11 seat.

Thanks for the review and information.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on January 24, 2011, 09:27:44 AM
Any ideas of where to start looking for a 2011 seat?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: hdnik on January 24, 2011, 09:31:40 AM
I believe from your comments that the bumpers are NOT used on the new '11 SESG seat.  Just to confirm for sure, does the new '11 seat just slide over the main frame rails WITHOUT the thick black plastic bumpers? NO BUMPERS FITS PERFECT. NO GAP

Do you find the new '11 seat comfortable for front and back? MORE LEG ROOM AND WITHOUT BUMPERS STIFFENING THINGS IT IS MORE COMFORTABLE I have a '09 SERG that's got the bumpers AND a new seat that was worse than my original seat.  I have to go in this winter and they will have the rep take a look.  I'm leaning towards the '11 SEG seat as a fix for my problems.  I may have to pay the difference between the original and the new '11 seat. IT WILL BE CHEAPER THAN A NEW MUSTANG OR CORBIN!font]

Thanks for the review and information.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: hdnik on January 24, 2011, 09:41:49 AM
Any ideas of where to start looking for a 2011 seat?

Do like I did and start with in the WTB area on this site. Then Ebay then try an agressive Dealer like Chicago HD. The part number for the seat is 54181-11 $280 + shipping from Chicago harley.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on January 24, 2011, 11:10:09 AM
Thanks, do you know if the CVO drivers backrest from the 2010's will work with the 2011 seat?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on January 24, 2011, 01:29:31 PM
Thanks, do you know if the CVO drivers backrest from the 2010's will work with the 2011 seat?


Nope. The 2011 has a lizard or snake pattern in the insert.


BUMPERS--If you have the bumper fix installed I would leave it and try it out.

The 2011's have another smaller bumper system $6- $7 retail.

Please keep in mind that the seat flexes when you sit on it and may bottom out on your ECM which is right below your a... So you don't want to crack the  ECM casing by riding without any bumpers in my opinion.

FWIW: I really like the 2011 seat and back rest pad look and comfort wise.

Regards

Jerry
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on January 24, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
Bummer, I forgot that :(  Hopefully I can find one out there without paying retail!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Rio on January 24, 2011, 03:31:36 PM
I had that problem on my RG a few years back.  The problem is the seat pan slowly gives after our fat a@@ has been in the seat for a while.  There is no factory fix.  What did, is I went to the hardware store and got some rubber bushings/spacers that were rectangular that had a curved bottom.  I put those over the frame about equal with where the battery was located and the seat pan sat on those grommets which kept the nose of the seat tight with the tank.  I had to go to about 4 hardware stores before i found one that carried every single type of nut and bolt ect....on planet earth.  Another option is the rubber mount that keeps the hood or trunk of a car even.  There are a couple of holes in your frame under the seat where you can place something like that too.  Bottom line.....cheaply made seat!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on January 27, 2011, 08:01:15 AM
End all your frustrations and put on a Corbin  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: KODAGRIN on January 30, 2011, 07:22:25 PM
If no one is sitting on the seat---NO GAP!
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on March 05, 2011, 12:07:51 PM
After 2 seats for my 2010, my dealer just swapped mine out for a 2011 seat?  Are they any better?
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on March 06, 2011, 10:02:08 PM
After 2 seats for my 2010, my dealer just swapped mine out for a 2011 seat?  Are they any better?



Sure are!! See my post 5 up from yours.

I just got back from Daytona-100 miles each way and found the 2011 CVO seat to be very comfortable and NO gap issues.

Be sure to get the matching back rest pad.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: DrSpencer on March 26, 2011, 11:10:02 PM
Is the 2011 CVO Street Glide seat any better for passenger comfort than the stock 2011 Street Glide seat?
Thanks
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wayne G on March 27, 2011, 05:19:35 PM
If I can add my 2 cents

My 2011 SESG seat is MUCH more confortable for me 6' 1" 220lbs than the stock 2009 and 2010 SG seats night and day difference.  I owned both and now can ride thru a gas stop without the dreaded monkey butt crack ache!!!!!   Also my woman doesn't ride bitch often but has mentioned it (2011) is more comfortable for her 5' 7" 130lbs.  The 2011 also looks thicker in the passenger area.
Hope this helps (cant say anything about the stock 2011 SG seat)
I attached a pic of 10 SG (red) and 11 SESG you can see the difference in passenger areas and the rider area on the SE is more bucket like  (real cumfy) And aint she purdy

Wayne
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Wayne G on March 27, 2011, 05:22:30 PM
I dont know what the f@#$ happend
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: mwg on August 12, 2011, 11:22:22 AM
Well.. after a year and only 6k miles the gap showed up. I took my bike to the dealer who said the factory rep would have to make the decision on what to do. Really? The factory rep shows up yesterday and looked at my bike, saw the gap and says (according to the local service writer).. "A new seat will do the same thing so I'm not going to authorize a replacement."  :nixweiss:

I kept my cool and told the service writer that I was going to HD customer service to try and get this resolved. 20 Minutes later the service writer called back and informed me that the dealership will take care of the seat,  I just need to let him know what to order.. stock seat or something else (of course I would have to pay the difference).

So what's going to be? I personally like the original seat and I like to have all the original parts but I am considering trying to get the seat off of a 2012 SERG. Any suggestions?



Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Badger Mike on August 12, 2011, 11:37:24 AM
They put a 2011 seat on mine, I'm very happy with it.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: mslcpa on August 12, 2011, 11:38:13 AM
Just replaced the "upgraded" seat on my 2010 with the stock 2011 seat and passenger backrest pad. No gap, looks great and much more comfortable.

The 2011 seat lists for about $350 so shouldn't cost you any additional $$$.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 12, 2011, 02:54:43 PM
Well.. after a year and only 6k miles the gap showed up. I took my bike to the dealer who said the factory rep would have to make the decision on what to do. Really? The factory rep shows up yesterday and looked at my bike, saw the gap and says (according to the local service writer).. "A new seat will do the same thing so I'm not going to authorize a replacement."  :nixweiss:

I kept my cool and told the service writer that I was going to HD customer service to try and get this resolved. 20 Minutes later the service writer called back and informed me that the dealership will take care of the seat,  I just need to let him know what to order.. stock seat or something else (of course I would have to pay the difference).

So what's going to be? I personally like the original seat and I like to have all the original parts but I am considering trying to get the seat off of a 2012 SERG. Any suggestions?


I had the 2011 CVO Street Glide put on mine along with the matching passenger pad.  A little "wrestling" was involved but the cost....to me was.   ZERO!!! Nada!!

It was very comfortable

Regards
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: Hawg on August 13, 2011, 07:38:45 AM
I like my Corbin, no gap, very comfy and the base is solid no sagging. Rode over 500 miles and no monkey butt.   
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: MKW on August 13, 2011, 02:32:56 PM
Thanks for "taking the point " on the 2011 SESG seat replacement issue. I'm glad that it is still working for you and am very interested in your periodic update on how it is working.

Regards

Jerry

Just to update the 2010-2011 SESG issue.  The 2011 I put on my 2010 is still working just fine.  I recently did 500+ miles in 12 hours and feel fine.
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 13, 2011, 11:07:53 PM
 :nervous:
Just to update the 2010-2011 SESG issue.  The 2011 I put on my 2010 is still working just fine.  I recently did 500+ miles in 12 hours and feel fine.


I fixed mine even better and got a 2012 CVO Street Glide.  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: mjb765 on August 13, 2011, 11:22:37 PM
:nervous:

I fixed mine even better and got a 2012 CVO Street Glide.  :2vrolijk_21:

How are you liking that solo seat??
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 14, 2011, 09:28:13 AM
 :cucumber: :jack:
How are you liking that solo seat??


It sure gives the bike a different look on occasion. You can carry the pad in one of the saddlebags and install it a couple of minutes. Of course carrying the back rest isn't an option.  I frankly never use them and store them in my garage for the next owner wrapped up until I sell the bike.

  
Title: Re: Gap between seat and tanK?
Post by: BTAman on August 24, 2011, 11:23:10 PM
I recently replaced my 09 SERG seat with the 2011 SESG seat because of both the seat gap problem and reasons of comfort. I also bought the new version of the seat blocks, which are simply two small metal blocks which bolt onto the frame rails under the seat to support the seat pan, because I though they were necessary. When I opened the package the instructions listed the models which the blocks are meant to be used on. Amazingly they also indicated that they were not intended for use on CVO models. Confused I took a very careful look at the seat and found that the seat pan had two small plastic blocks molded into it in the exact position that the metal blocks would contact the seat pan. They weren't immediately visible because they are covered by the seat's vinyl covering. I could feel them easily by pressing my fingers against the vinyl. I put the seat on without them and found that the seat is firmly supported and that the seat gap is now gone. It looks great and is quite comfortable compared to the original SERG seat. Has anybody with a 2011 SESG removed the CVO seat and found that the metal blocks were installed on the bike from the factory. I'm left wondering if the newer CVO seats have a different type of pan from the stock seat on the basic model Street Glides which would render the metal blocks unnecessary.