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Ipod track selection
« on: July 06, 2013, 06:56:35 PM »

I know this has been covered, saw it once in an older thread but can't find it again. When I listen to music off the Ipod Nano it keeps playing the same tracks over and over. Starts at the beginning of my library every time unless it is a quick stop. I read in the older post  a suggestion that you could turn off the head unit prior to turning off the ignition but that doesn't seem to matter much either. If I finally get through the first 15 or 20 songs and touch any of the selection modes like artist or genre, it goes right back to the top of the list again. I've found nothing in the manual about this but I don't think they would tell us up front if there were a flaw. Has anyone found a way to beat this?
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2013, 07:15:28 PM »

 ??? I cant get it figured out either? hope some one can tell us what's up... I thought it was me :nixweiss:
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2013, 09:12:41 PM »

I use my iPhone in there rather than the Nano, but I have the same issue.  I just push the buttons on the head unit to select a playlist, then go.


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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2013, 10:37:17 AM »

Same here. Starts with the same song, but occasionally it will start where it stopped. Mostly not though. Once in a while, the song/artist name won't change when the next song starts. Sometimes it will abruptly end a song and go to the next one.
Haven't been able to "outsmart" the iPod into doing what I want, so I have just learned to live with it. It works great the majority of the time. I select a playlist, then the shuffle button. That way, since it usually starts with the same song, it seems like a new playlist of songs. Never know what's coming next. Many times, when the first song starts,I just push up the track select button on the handlebars to move to the next song.
I know this has been covered, saw it once in an older thread but can't find it again. When I listen to music off the Ipod Nano it keeps playing the same tracks over and over. Starts at the beginning of my library every time unless it is a quick stop. I read in the older post  a suggestion that you could turn off the head unit prior to turning off the ignition but that doesn't seem to matter much either. If I finally get through the first 15 or 20 songs and touch any of the selection modes like artist or genre, it goes right back to the top of the list again. I've found nothing in the manual about this but I don't think they would tell us up front if there were a flaw. Has anyone found a way to beat this?
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2013, 11:07:24 AM »

Similar issues on the iPod in my '11 SERGU and now on my '12 CUSE7.  I am ready willing and able to call the moco to task when warranted but I kinda think this chit is on the iPod and Apple.  I got an iPhone about 18 months ago and really like it but I have never quite 'gotten' iTunes and the iPod fully.  Kinda like using Map Source with your Garmin - sometimes you gotta go around the world to get across the street.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2013, 11:36:24 PM »

Just spent the last four days in the saddle.....the only thing that is consistent about the I-pod ...is it's inconsistency.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2013, 01:25:47 AM »

I find that that the Ipod (or iphone - doesn't matter) will fail to resume after shutting down the bike - at least 80% of the time.  As oe542bob mentioned, I have accepted and gotten used to this quirk.  The only successful solution for me - also mentioned by others - is to cycle through and reselect the playlist, select shuffle, and then select the next track.  An annoying side effect is that if you don't select the next track, you have to listen to the first song in the playlist every time (in alphabetic order), so I am now sick of "Achilles Last Stand" by Led Zep.  I know, I can delete it, just too lazy.

Does anyone else find it counter-intuitive to have to push the selector switch "up" to go to the next track?  It seems more natural to push it down, and less awkward.  Nit picking.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2013, 01:49:33 AM »

This is what I do and it works 90% of the time. Shutting down:  1.  Turn off starter switch (handlebar rocker switch) 2.  Turn off radio. 3.  Turn off ignition switch ( big knob). Starting up:  1.  Turn on ignition switch (big knob). 2. Turn on starter switch and start the bike. 3.  Turn on the radio.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2013, 01:59:51 PM »

The "random" function is controlled by the radio's firmware, not by apples software. When you plug the ipod into the stereo, the head unit takes control, using the ipod as a repository only. The H&K firmware doesnt remember where you left off because it has no power when off, unlike the clock that has its own power, or the function was simply overlooked (unheard of!). So everytime you turn the stereo on (start the bike) the firmware starts a new session, normally from the first alphbetic track name.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2013, 02:15:07 PM »

The "random" function is controlled by the radio's firmware, not by apples software. When you plug the ipod into the stereo, the head unit takes control, using the ipod as a repository only. The H&K firmware doesnt remember where you left off because it has no power when off, unlike the clock that has its own power, or the function was simply overlooked (unheard of!). So everytime you turn the stereo on (start the bike) the firmware starts a new session, normally from the first alphbetic track name.
Interesting.  When I use my Sena headset, it always picks up right where I left off.  I'd assumed that the HK would do the same, but this explanation makes sense.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2013, 04:52:46 PM »

The "random" function is controlled by the radio's firmware, not by apples software. When you plug the ipod into the stereo, the head unit takes control, using the ipod as a repository only. The H&K firmware doesnt remember where you left off because it has no power when off, unlike the clock that has its own power, or the function was simply overlooked (unheard of!). So everytime you turn the stereo on (start the bike) the firmware starts a new session, normally from the first alphbetic track name.

Then would it be possible that a firmware update could fix this glitch? Something to hope for anyway.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2013, 04:53:52 PM »

I can understand this, but when the bike is restarted after a short time later, most of the time it will pick up where it stopped. (Ipod) Maybe has a short time memory. The head unit does retain station presets, so it has some memory drawing power to retain those.
The "random" function is controlled by the radio's firmware, not by apples software. When you plug the ipod into the stereo, the head unit takes control, using the ipod as a repository only. The H&K firmware doesnt remember where you left off because it has no power when off, unlike the clock that has its own power, or the function was simply overlooked (unheard of!). So everytime you turn the stereo on (start the bike) the firmware starts a new session, normally from the first alphbetic track name.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2013, 04:59:30 PM »

What I think happens is the iPod will resume after a short stop because the battery is charged. After the bike is turned off the iPod stays running but paused and the battery goes dead. So it starts over when the bike is powered back up.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2013, 06:34:24 PM »

What I think happens is the iPod will resume after a short stop because the battery is charged. After the bike is turned off the iPod stays running but paused and the battery goes dead. So it starts over when the bike is powered back up.
I think that you are on target - I was thinking exactly the same thing.  There has to be some sort of memory function, whether in the iPod or head unit.  I know from previous threads that the iPod stays running, and will probably retain the current selection and playlist as long as the battery is charged.  My issue (the iPod not playing at all upon restart of bike) is, I think, related to issues with the interface or head unit, and cycling through the playlists is the only way that I have found to reset it.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2013, 06:42:05 PM »

If I don't forget in the am, I'm going to check the battery on my iPod Nano in the saddle bag. Been home for 3 hrs, just checked my battery and it looks about 50%.
What I think happens is the iPod will resume after a short stop because the battery is charged. After the bike is turned off the iPod stays running but paused and the battery goes dead. So it starts over when the bike is powered back up.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2013, 12:27:03 AM »

I have left my bike off for weeks at a time and the iPod picks up where it left off when I follow the aforementioned procedure.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2013, 09:19:14 AM »

What I think happens is the iPod will resume after a short stop because the battery is charged. After the bike is turned off the iPod stays running but paused and the battery goes dead. So it starts over when the bike is powered back up.

The nano has an 8+ hour run time on a full charge; I can't see how this theory could be possible. I have had mine fully charged, ride for an hour, stop for an hour and it would start at the top of the playlist. No way the battery had run down in that amount of time so I tend to think it is in the head unit. I have used mine in my truck, as well as my iphone, and it always picks up where it left off regardless of how long it had been off.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2013, 03:25:23 PM »

Has anyone had a problem with their Ipod not recharging, took a trip to North Carolina this past weekend and sunday morning when I was getting ready to come home I selected ipod and it would not sync, when I got home the battery was dead and it would not charge.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2013, 09:04:01 PM »

My Ipod will start playing where it stopped when the bike was shut down.  The only issue it has is it may start playing with no sound if it is left on when the bike is shut off.  Is your radio firmware up to date?  There is a procedure on the HD website.  http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/Genuine_Motor_Accessories/advanced-audio-system.html
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2013, 05:30:54 PM »

Mine just does whatever it wants whenever it wants. Sometimes picks up where it left off , sometimes not. Sometimes after a five minute shut down , sometimes after two days. It also does not sync up on occasion. I just unplug the ipod and plug it right back in and it works. If you figure it out please post a sure fire cure.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2013, 05:38:18 PM »

My Ipod will start playing where it stopped when the bike was shut down.  The only issue it has is it may start playing with no sound if it is left on when the bike is shut off. 

Mine does that too...sometimes....just advance one song and go back...works every time for that glitch.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2013, 11:29:31 AM »

I am getting a reading now of "Ipod not respond". It still plays, but there is nothing in the display other than this reading. I cannot change the selection either through the handlebar controls. Any ideas?????
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2013, 11:44:01 AM »

I am getting a reading now of "Ipod not respond". It still plays, but there is nothing in the display other than this reading. I cannot change the selection either through the handlebar controls. Any ideas?????

You probably need to unplug the ipod, shut it down, reboot it and plug it back in. That should reset it. I started reading the very long section in the maintenance manual about these quirky ipods. Evidently HD knows there are problems or they wouldn't have devoted as many pages to it.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2013, 09:32:06 PM »

You probably need to unplug the ipod, shut it down, reboot it and plug it back in. That should reset it. I started reading the very long section in the maintenance manual about these quirky ipods. Evidently HD knows there are problems or they wouldn't have devoted as many pages to it.


Thanks TinSpinner. I started looking through the iPod section and quickly becam frustrated. As soon as I get the bike back I will give this a shot.
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Re: Ipod track selection
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2013, 08:21:41 PM »

I have not found any magic scenario where the head unit to iPod works consistently. I was cycling through the songs on a particular album the other day and all of a sudden it started playing my entire song list in alphabetical order. What the &@#$!

In my humble opinion it is an un-realiable and quirky interface. Or if I want to state how I really feel...it totally sucks.  :'(

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