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[SDCVO]

I am a sick man and usually modify my bikes until they are a complete pain in the A..,,, the whole reason why I bought this 2012 SERG was because it of all the factory mods ( especially the 110) and that I could have it under warranty for 7 yrs (after esc). I put on a SERT and Fatcats and it dyno'd at 95 HP and 105 torque. I am now thinking about tearing into the motor. Am I nuts? Help....

[lilcoot]

We're all crazy, then.  Welcome to the crazy club!   

[Unbalanced]

Guess how crazy you are depends on what you are actually planning on doing.   If its just a cam / pipes and tune to wake it up a bit prolly not so crazy.   Headwork, cam, pipes, tune now you are a bit crazier.   Sending the crank out, high compression, pistons, heads, cam, pipes, tune, you may fit right in.

So how crazy you talking?

[SDCVO]

Already did the pipes and tune, not really sure where (or if) to go from here...

[SDCVO]

Just worried about risk/reward... Don't want to lose my warranty, lose dependability. Seems like I end up in a tow truck about once a month on my softail (EVO, Nitrous and everything else that goes with that degree of sickness)...

[Unbalanced]

Me personally in your situation would leave it at cams, pipes, tune you already have a play bike.   If you can't, you might consider going to 117 or 120 and quit fooling with the 110.   Seems that beyond 10 to 1 and the reliability seems to drop off quite a bit.   Risk / Reward. 

[SDCVO]

The 110 comes with 255 cams. What do you think the "pick up" would be by changing the cams?

[Unbalanced]

typically ... lets go with a known comodity.

The 255 torque dies at 4000 rpm.  making approximately 86-92 hp and 105-112 tq out of the box with pipes, tune, and stock a/c ventilator

Some choices today are for bolt in cams in the 110's.


With the yuill yb14 cams the bikes were making 105 hp and a 115 tq   issue is torque curve moved right about 500 rpms but runs out

Suggestions would be that the CR 575 cam .. people are making 102 hp and 120 tq   torque curve moved right about 300 rpms also can be found on site.

Andrews 54  find on site talk to Fullsac he has some stuff posted on it for numbers

New andrews 57 cams torque comes in right away and lasts longer than the stock cams   new item no real history yet only few out there.

Woods 777 imo a bit noisey but extends the torque curve of the stock cam and more hp

Woods 7 .. seems to be replaced by the 777    on par with the 54's for the most part give or take a little bit.

Take a look at these if roughly 102-105 hp and 113-120 torque will satisfy you then you maybe able to get away with tune, pipes and cam.

[SDCVO]

Great info, thanks!

[Heatwave]

I am a sick man and usually modify my bikes until they are a complete pain in the A..,,, the whole reason why I bought this 2012 SERG was because it of all the factory mods ( especially the 110) and that I could have it under warranty for 7 yrs (after esc). I put on a SERT and Fatcats and it dyno'd at 95 HP and 105 torque. I am now thinking about tearing into the motor. Am I nuts? Help....

You're definitely not nuts. Many have gone before you and have taken the same path. I have a 2010 SEUC. Started with Fullsac baffles and a Ventilator A/C. Wasn't satisfied.

I decided to break into the motor and upgrade with Hillside Headwork, 58mm TB, SE 5.3 injectors, roller rockers, Woods 408-6 cams, D&D Fatcat and dyno tuning. I couldn't be more pleased with the end result. I could never go back to my stock 110 (out of the crate it was dynoed at 77/100) or even the 110 with improved baffles and intake. The way the bike runs now is as it should have been. If you're looking for "more", this is a upgrade combination worth considering as it produced 123/123 SAE for me. Another guy has almost the same combination and generated 121/119 SAE.

[mjb765]

You're definitely not nuts. Many have gone before you and have taken the same path. I have a 2010 SEUC. Started with Fullsac baffles and a Ventilator A/C. Wasn't satisfied.

I decided to break into the motor and upgrade with Hillside Headwork, 58mm TB, SE 5.3 injectors, roller rockers, Woods 408-6 cams, D&D Fatcat and dyno tuning. I couldn't be more pleased with the end result. I could never go back to my stock 110 (out of the crate it was dynoed at 77/100) or even the 110 with improved baffles and intake. The way the bike runs now is as it should have been. If you're looking for "more", this is a upgrade combination worth considering as it produced 123/123 SAE for me. Another guy has almost the same combination and generated 121/119 SAE.

If you don't mine me asking, what did a setup like that cost you--minus the exhaust???  And did you think about having the crank welded?

[Heatwave]

If you don't mine me asking, what did a setup like that cost you--minus the exhaust???  And did you think about having the crank welded?

I didn't crack the bottom end, so no work on the crank. Also stayed with the stock pistons at Scott's (Hillside) recommendation. I bought components during the winter at 20-25% off and got a discount on the labor since it was during the slow season.. Here's a VERY rough estimate as I'm going from ROUGH memory:

$350 Roller rockers
$350 SE 58mm Throttle Body
$100 5.3 SE injectors
$400-450 Woods Cams
$200-250 HD Woods Valve Springs
$150 Adj pushrods
$2000-2400 for the headwork, the labor for breaking the engine down & installing the parts above and miscellaneous "stuff" like gaskets, oil etc. My shop included the original dyno tuning in the labor of the build.

If you need a tuning software, add another $300-500. If you need a A/C upgrade, add another $200-250. While you've got the heads off, its worth reinstalling with chrome hardware IMO which will add a few more bucks.

So depending on your starting point, you're looking at $3500 - 4500. My starting point was 77/100 and finished at 123/123 SAE with a very smooth tune that is ready to rock & roll whenever I ask it to. From my perspective the cost was well worth the investment and the performance gained. I now have almost 20,000 miles on the build and have had no issues at all. The biggest challenge is finding a well-qualified tuner that can handle the build and maximize the performance.

[mjb765]

I didn't crack the bottom end, so no work on the crank. Also stayed with the stock pistons at Scott's (Hillside) recommendation. I bought components during the winter at 20-25% off and got a discount on the labor since it was during the slow season.. Here's a VERY rough estimate as I'm going from ROUGH memory:

$350 Roller rockers
$350 SE 58mm Throttle Body
$100 5.3 SE injectors
$400-450 Woods Cams
$200-250 HD Woods Valve Springs
$150 Adj pushrods
$2000-2400 for the headwork, the labor for breaking the engine down & installing the parts above and miscellaneous "stuff" like gaskets, oil etc. My shop included the original dyno tuning in the labor of the build.

If you need a tuning software, add another $300-500. If you need a A/C upgrade, add another $200-250. While you've got the heads off, its worth reinstalling with chrome hardware IMO which will add a few more bucks.

So depending on your starting point, you're looking at $3500 - 4500. My starting point was 77/100 and finished at 123/123 SAE with a very smooth tune that is ready to rock & roll whenever I ask it to. From my perspective the cost was well worth the investment and the performance gained. I now have almost 20,000 miles on the build and have had no issues at all. The biggest challenge is finding a well-qualified tuner that can handle the build and maximize the performance.

Thanks for the info.....I already have the tuner, air cleaner and adj pushrods so there's a few things I don't need......still a sizeable investment. I guess right now I will be happy with my already done cam upgrade.

[billt1]

2012 CVO Road Glide .Fullsac Stage II . 1080 miles on bike. So happy  108.6 HP 120.8 Torque
Dyno sheet attached

[Puzzled]

2012 CVO Road Glide .Fullsac Stage II . 1080 miles on bike. So happy  108.6 HP 120.8 Torque
Dyno sheet attached

What cam did you use? Head gasket change? Core size?