Post by: 1roadking on April 11, 2016, 04:30:11 PM
Post by: ACfixer on April 11, 2016, 07:11:17 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on April 11, 2016, 08:45:39 PM
Looking for opinions on a SE 585 in stock 110 with Vance and Hines power duals and os450 slipons or doing a full SE 117 kit. I want strong low and midrange with a little higher Roma before drop off. I haven't even ridden the bike yet but I'm coming off a 2013 ultra with stock 103 and SE 255 cam and really like the power but not the wall at 4500 RPM. My dealer will honor 2 year warranty if I use SE products. The SE259 in the 117 looks like a high RPM cam but showed decent lie RPM torque so I'm confused lol. Last option is run it stock for a year and use aftermarket after that. Open to all thoughts. Thank you.The Power duals are pretty good. The 450 slip on will Hurt low end torque, not near enough back pressure, not even with the 117. Same with the V&H high outputs, they hurt low end torque. Those big mufflers are built for sound, not low end power. You want something with a 2" or a 2.25" baffle in them, not the big baffles.
I can't speak to the 259E in the 117 from personal experience, but from they dyno sheets I have seen it has pretty good low end torque.
My 13 SERK has a 259E, with 10.8 to 1 compression and worked heads, I have 100 torque at 2500 rpm, 110 torque at 2750 rpm and hold 120 torque from 3250 to 5250 rpm. Its a blast to ride, 122 HP, but the torque is what makes it a blast.
Post by: jsfenster110 on April 11, 2016, 09:22:56 PM
Having just done the cams and fuel moto head pipe, I would start with the cams and if not enough go for more. The only thing you will have to do twice is the tune. The right cams in a 110 is a strong bike. 1.75 baffles from fullsac for low torque.
Post by: 1roadking on April 11, 2016, 10:27:16 PM
Post by: BALIS on April 12, 2016, 06:18:56 AM
Better than the SE 259 for low torque.
Post by: RoadDawg on April 12, 2016, 06:58:36 AM
Post by: 1roadking on April 12, 2016, 07:19:31 AM
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Post by: Unbalanced on April 12, 2016, 10:11:16 AM
Post by: 1roadking on April 12, 2016, 11:59:36 AM
Post by: KC2GIW on April 12, 2016, 12:31:21 PM
Matt that is almost my exact set up. How does it feel down low 2000 to 3000 rpm? Does it feel better or worse there compared to stock with exhaust and tune?
Feels like I spent $43k 4 months ago on a bike and still haven't ridden it because the weather is BS and i'm waiting for the stupid air cleaner cover to come back from powder coat.
So yah, feels great :drummer:
Also, to be 100% forthcoming, I've never ridden a stock CVO or a "stage 1" CVO. My last bike was a '14 103 with a 'too big' exhaust and stg 1 flash. Before that was an 11:1 103 with a 260 cam...so I'm kind of all over the board over here.
Post by: 1roadking on April 13, 2016, 02:35:21 PM
Post by: RoadDawg on April 13, 2016, 03:28:45 PM
Post by: CVO 2015 on March 16, 2018, 01:11:01 AM
23k miles later I added a SE 58mm t.b. and a Fullsac DX pipe with 1.75 powercores and gained 10 h.p. and lost 2 ft pounds of torque (110/114). What would make make the SE 585 shine in the 110 would be a Cometic head gasket (.030) and some added compression (either headwork and or /10.5:1 comp pistons )... Don at HDSP has some builds 119/119 with this set up and another at 119/127 which was tuned at GMR in Texas for a customer in New Mexico...
In the 117 with headwork the SE 585 cam make 130 to 136 ft pounds of torque, with h.p in the 115 to 120 range depending on your pipe ofcourse...
Don at HDSP worked his magic on my 2012 Road Glide FLTRU's heads (Street performer heads and AV & V valve springs set at 10.35:1 compression) and the dyno numbers were 100/116 In my 103 with the SE 585 cams..
Once my ESP expires (June of 2022) I will add the SE 117 pistons and barrels kit and may swap out cams (TTS 150, or Tman pistons and his 590 cam, or the S &S 635 H.O. cam with HDSP headwork, or leave the SE 585 cam in have Don at HDSP add his magic to my heads again)...Right now I have more time than $..lol
If something happens prior to June of 2022 which requires the heads to be removed I will leave the pistons and barrels stock (110) and send my heads to HDSP
...If you decide to keep your SE 585s I would bump up the compression (Cometic head gasket and headwork to avoid pinging due to poor gas)..
Good luck and enjoy your SE 585s for now...
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Post by: HD Street Performance on March 16, 2018, 09:58:37 AM
Its all about the combination of parts. Dyno numbers are one thing but how they ride and feel especially at lower speeds where we spend most of our time is important.
I have and do recommend Mahle pistons to upgrade the SE 117" kit but in special cases have used Diamond for customs. They are all 4032 alloy and coated therefore can be fit closer for better ring seal and life. The Tman 590 is a cam with the right compression that checks all the boxes when combined with my head work. The 635HO I would recommend against unless you want an impressive dyno sheet only.
Post by: Texas 103 on March 23, 2018, 10:05:06 AM
On my 2015 CVO the SE 585s dynoed at 100/116 with an MGS Pipe..
23k miles later I added a SE 58mm t.b. and a Fullsac DX pipe with 1.75 powercores and gained 10 h.p. and lost 2 ft pounds of torque (110/114). What would make make the SE 585 shine in the 110 would be a Cometic head gasket (.030) and some added compression (either headwork and or /10.5:1 comp pistons )... Don at HDSP has some builds 119/119 with this set up and another at 119/127 which was tuned at GMR in Texas for a customer in New Mexico...
In the 117 with headwork the SE 585 cam make 130 to 136 ft pounds of torque, with h.p in the 115 to 120 range depending on your pipe ofcourse...
Don at HDSP worked his magic on my 2012 Road Glide FLTRU's heads (Street performer heads and AV & V valve springs set at 10.35:1 compression) and the dyno numbers were 100/116 In my 103 with the SE 585 cams..
Once my ESP expires (June of 2022) I will add the SE 117 pistons and barrels kit and may swap out cams (TTS 150, or Tman pistons and his 590 cam, or the S &S 635 H.O. cam with HDSP headwork, or leave the SE 585 cam in have Don at HDSP add his magic to my heads again)...Right now I have more time than $..lol
If something happens prior to June of 2022 which requires the heads to be removed I will leave the pistons and barrels stock (110) and send my heads to HDSP
If you decide to keep your SE 585s I would bump up the compression (Cometic head gasket and headwork to avoid pinging due to poor gas)..
Good luck and enjoy your SE 585s for now...
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A little added compression will really wake up the torque on a SE 585. My sheet is posted in another thread . Cometic .030, shave heads , zero deck cyls. nothing trick with this. I ended up with 92 CC chamber , 10:57.1 static, Corrected 9:96., CCP 209 . There may be some better cams out there, like Kury 24-d, T Man 600 etc; Don hit the nail on the head it's all about the right combination of parts..that's where good experience with what works is key... Pretty please with my combination, think you will be too. Above all ..there is NO substitute for a quality tune . Think you will be a happy camper..